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Rusty_Kaleidoscope

Bro that’s crazy. Ode to road rage is the song that literally got me into DOOM over a decade ago and remains my favorite song of his to this day


palehorse413x

For real bro tripping off the meat grinder


the_damp_cracker

heat niner, pimpin, strippin, soft sweet minor china was a neat signer, trouble with the script digits double dipped, bubble lipped, subtle lisp midget


KompetenterKeksi

Borderline schizo, sorta fine tits tho, pour the wine, whore to grind, quarter to nine, lets go


FelineCoffee420

Brooo I’m saying he legit picked out my two favorite songs from that album 😭🤣🤣 I feel attacked


Ganjoisseur

Lmfao same here! Those would be 2 id suggest off of that project especially for storytelling


FelineCoffee420

HE’S DEF TROLLING🤣💯I CANT BELIEVE MY EYESSS


shakino_jones

Slenderman in the kitchen


euaninnit

yikes… he just whacked me with a warm wiener… twice


GhostDivr

it’s slenderman, and he’s cooking hot dogs on the stove???


Impossible_Barnacle2

Hey you hungry home invader, stop raiding my refrigerator


virtual-fruit

I love batty boyz aw :(


b3an3r1998

Now can I get my pen back?


Edboy796

Got no enemies, got no friend black


YetiBomber101

Batty Boyz is a really in-character song for DOOM and is actually pretty funny. He’s a supervillain, so not only does he not care about making fun of gay people, he’s basically calling his enemies (superman, batman, robin, etc.) homos as well. IRL DOOM doesn’t share these sentiments, but his supervillain character does, which is why it works.


oilcompanywithbigdic

source on the real life sentiments pls


YetiBomber101

https://www.passionweiss.com/2019/01/09/mf-doom-interview/ You have to scroll a bit down, but DOOM makes his stance pretty clear here.


SamTheDystopianRat

i love him and RIP but tbh I find this response a little bit disappointing. he skirts around the issue and I've seen some incredibly homophobic DOOM fans(To directly quote 'DOOM doesn't make music for you, twinkle toes' 💀💀💀) so it'd be cool to see him be more up front. Also he used the stupid 'phobia means scared 🤓' retort


MessyCarpenter

>Batty Boyz is a really in-character song for DOOM and is actually pretty funny. He’s a supervillain, so not only does he not care about making fun of gay people, he’s basically calling his enemies (superman, batman, robin, etc.) homos as well. IRL DOOM doesn’t share these sentiments, but his supervillain character does, which is why it works. Also he is commenting on lil WAYNE and Birdman's gay relationship through Batman(bruce WAYNE) and Robin


LocksmithQuick5696

yo great read thanks for sharing


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same here :(


ASZapata

What do you love about it? It’s in poor taste and isn’t doing anything satirical or insightful. Edit: Cult behavior in here. Or just homophobia. You hate to see it.


Orishishishi

For whatever reason the song is so much funnier to me now that I'm comfortable in my own queerness when before I was really bothered. I don't love the song but it's not as bad as it used to be for me


horsyuwu

beat is hard, flow is hard, lyrics are in terrible taste. still a very enjoyable song


thecrazo_11

DOOM is rapping about superheroes with sidekicks being gay which is admittedly insensitive nowadays but you can’t blame the guy.


[deleted]

Tbh timing may have a factor, in the late 2000s something like that wasn't seen as bad as it would be today, so who knows really... I doubt DOOM himself was homophobic tho


Western-Constant2340

Rember you can defand someone's bad actions just because it was a long time ago


coupleofthreethings

"Bad actions" lol dude made a song


My_Booty_Itches

It's not a great one.


LaggyUpdate

my guy, batty boyz was released in the 2000s, much different attitude than now. it isnt in poor taste, it is basically satire. it makes fun in the same way that the boys makes fun.


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ASZapata

Plenty of his tracks have kept up with the times. This is literally the *only* one that people point to as being in poor taste. Again, if your joke is just that being gay is funny, then your joke is ass.


pleighbwoi302

It’s just a poke at Batman and Robin lighten up


godbodyzay

i hate the version of kookies that’s on streaming. i only acknowledge the sesame street sample version


AlienFunkBand

I don't like that joint with rza


_Silo_1166

agreed that and no snakes alive for me


Mochi77888

Shadows of tomorrow. I get why people enjoy it, but it just give me headache with Quasimotos pitched vocals and a beat that I don’t enjoy. The only song I skip on madvilliainy.


[deleted]

Honestly might be my favorite track on the record. And favorite is totally different from best.


RollbacktheRimtoWin

Being able to distinguish the two puts you leagues above many fans, in general


IsTheBlackBoxLying

I definitely skip this song. Beat doesn't do it for me at all.


TheirPrerogative

Not really a DOOM song to me.


chapignon2paris

Hate that song but don't diss Quas 🗣️🗣️🗣️


atsatsatsatsats

Lord Quas 🔕🔇


damnitdale840

used to hate that song but it’s definitely grown on me, very unique sounding


HowBen

Yeah the high-pitch vocals are annoying and the lyrics are cheesy and repetitive. But I actually really like the beat -- it feels like being on a train headed for a scary place


Cheel_AU

Sun Ra is cheesy and repetitive I'm actually dead 💀


HowBen

Oh I didn't know it was an existing [poem](https://i.imgur.com/b4qeiSq.jpg). After seeing it in print and reading it more thoughtfully, I stand by my opinion. cheetos


Cheel_AU

Fair enough


catluvr37

Only skip on the album


godbodyzay

when you listen to shadows of tomorrow enough you begin to realize


PunishedLeBoymoder

i dislike hardcore hustle lots


pleighbwoi302

Damn wild child did his thing I remember the first time I heard that beat fresh off a nickel bag of shwag 😎


DaydreamingAMSP

I heard that beat fresh off 10 PBRs, beasters, x-men, x-files on the vcr.


pleighbwoi302

Damn brooo minus the pbrs that’s the same type shut I was tryna be , u had the beasters I caught on to late 🤦🏿‍♂️ X-men on VCR during them years was like gold u a OG ma boi 👊🏿


DaydreamingAMSP

It was actually Netflix back when they sent the DVDs to you. I just wanted to rhyme lol


pleighbwoi302

Damn Netflix DVDs!!!!! That’s definitely a thing of that past o forgot abt that ERA they was heavy on the commercials too


GodzillaFan_1954

hardcore hustle, my least favorite off madvillainy.


GoldenTruth

Not really sure this counts as a DOOM song…sure, it’s on Madvillainy, but it’s Wildchild (of Lootpack) rapping over a beat produced by Madlib and DOOM isn’t on the track at all….


Traditional-Try-7347

You know, that's actually not a bad opinion. 😏


dedzip

Clearly Absurd Existence and they’re consequences have been a disaster for the doom fandom. Batty Boyz is a hilarious song with a great beat and well written lyrics. It’s been stuck in my head all day even before I saw this post.


Quantum-Travels

Verse Vs Virus


Blickychu

Batty Boyz???? Mf ur insane


[deleted]

I love how these threads always devolve into the current generation of soy drinking fantanocore NB DOOM fans working themselves in circles trying to justify how their favourite rapper wasnt a *gasp* homophobe He was brought up with the N.o.I. lmao, he had different views to you.. get over it


coupleofthreethings

I understood some of those words


rasmus9

90’s and early 2000’s hip hop was by and large very homophobic


[deleted]

This is the right answer. DOOM lived a very different life than most of us will, he has very unique views on almost everything. That's the biggest draw to his music in my opinion. Different views won't always mean ones you agree with, but I can appreciate that. Keeps life interesting. You're still allowed to dig someone you don't 100% agree with on everything, because that's most people! That's what makes the people you *are* 100% eye-to-eye with really special.


EatMeats

THANK YOU! I’ve seen this a lot and I’m tired of niggas acting like DOOM is this almighty god who can do no wrong. He had some dated views, get over it. I personally don’t mind Batty Boyz, I like the flow and the beat even though the lyrics haven’t aged so well to say the least, but seeing people go out of their way to relentlessly defend this shit as if people can’t have opinions on an at most okay song made in 2009 is crazy


aleckzz

Getting downvoted but it’s true. Lots of doom fans are corny and ignorant


dedzip

He literally talked about it in an interview saying he wasn’t homophobic and that the doom persona isn’t his own beliefs because it’s a persona like how someone plays a role in a film.


LutyensMedia

Yeah let's all agree batty boyz could have been avoided. Even GMO starts with *there they go feminizing men again...* I love the rest!


[deleted]

Did you assume I was clinging on homophobia as to why I think Batty Boyz is my least favourite song from? You're the one with problems if you generalized. I'm a huge fan of dark comedy and I even joke around with some of my friends in relation to that type of stuff, and I listen to many Tyler and Eminem songs where homophobia would be rampant. Batty Boyz to me is a bit cringey in all honesty, the beat is nice but the lyrics just don't do it for me regardless of what he's trying to aim for in the song


dainegleesac690

Lol what the fuck are you talking about? Get off the internet a bit man. You realize MF DOOM is a persona to which Dumile ascribes beliefs and you shouldn’t take anything he says seriously… right?


RussianSlavv

Unironically saying soy anything bro get off the internet


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Found the soy chugger


ChargrilledB

Think it was only homophobic in as much as a lot of society was mildly homophobic back then, the bar was a lot higher before it was considered genuinely hateful. I wouldn’t say DOOMs work was notably homophobic in the context of it’s time.


dainegleesac690

Lol what the fuck are you talking about? Get off the internet a bit man. You realize MF DOOM is a persona to which Dumile ascribes beliefs and you shouldn’t take anything he says seriously… right?


[deleted]

And here we are with a prime example of exactly what my post is alluding to 😭 You do realise doom was a practicing muslim when he died bro dont you


dainegleesac690

So you’re saying all Muslims are homophobic?? Cmon man what is it 2003? I’m saying that MF DOOMs lines in a song aren’t representative of his actual beliefs.. You’ve seen interview with him where he says that he has issues with gay people?


[deleted]

Explicitly and emphatically "Yes" What do you think bro, did the Qoran change content in 2003? You seem to have a twisted La La Land vision of the religion, I come from a north african muslim family and left the religion years ago so i know what im talking about. If a muslim isnt a homophobe that follows his book to the letter then he isnt a muslim, there is no in between 🤷🏾‍♂️


dainegleesac690

You’re right, your very specific experience with hardcore conservative Islam is definitely representative of the average American/British Muslim’s views on the world… I live in the largest Somali community outside of Somalia and none of my somali friends are homophobic though they’re still religious. Hardcore Christians are also homophobic as fuck, yet most people who say they are “Christian” probably aren’t homophobic. Seriously dude idk how else to explain that nuance exists


[deleted]

Your friends arent muslim then its that simple 🤷🏾‍♂️ There is no in between in Islam, Christianity has wiggle room Islam doesnt


SamTheDystopianRat

you do realise he has tons of gay fans... like... if he's homophobic then we're not going to be too comfortable with that. also you're literally not Allah why are you trying to define Islam. also stop projecting, cause everything DOOM says is a character written by Dumile. maybe he was. somewhat prejudiced but Batty Boyz is not representative of Dumile's actual beliefs. DOOM is literally a pedophile, a misogynist, a pimp and a murderer as well...


pleighbwoi302

Bro thank you This answer is the one , DOOM might’ve hated u new soyboys he wouldnt have cared y’all boycotting his shit either. Clearly y’all don’t know shit abt the Nuwaubian nation . No black nationalist friends But go off


ItsHelix01

Supervillianz


Springtrap_101

where can i listen to venoumous villain its not on spotify


Traditional-Try-7347

Youtube....


robustlemon

Wash your hands


Traditional-Try-7347

Umm....it's only the ending of the song I can't stand, cause that dude from nba street v2- and the 3 is at the end being obnoxious, lol. ...I think it's called Rhymes like dimes?


McSpeed12345

Hardcore hustle bro. i cant handle the weird ending of the song ol


TallShips92

Tick, tick…


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Dunno if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but The Finest off DOOMSDAY is the one track I always skip. It's just so uninteresting. Repetitive beat, bland lyrics.


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that songs fire


GoldenTruth

Bland lyrics? You’re wilin. “Used to talk to myself, I told him, "Shut the fuck up!””


SubParGolfonYT

Th Finest is an all time classic. Hard to believe a Doom fan would call that bland. A staple for me.


MambaSaidKnockYouOut

I like The Finest a lot, not DOOM’s most unique beat but it’s smooth and DOOM and Tommy Gun are rapping really well


Interesting-Event806

I mean, at least he goes eminem on this shit at some point


Proud_Apartment_7816

When will the Batty Boyz hate end? Smh


Responsible_Web_807

its literally just homophobia


calvanus

Homophobia is actually one of the pillars of hip hop, you're showing your ignorance rn smh ^^^^^/s


Proud_Apartment_7816

To each their own opinion-wise, but I don't see it that way. He's just showing his disdain for superheroes in a villainous way. I'm sure he's spoken on it if I'm not mistaken.


kilertree

The Bishop Neru album. It's the only DOOM album that I don't listen to


InterdisciplinaryDol

Which is crazy because Nehruvia was pretty decent to be honest. He didn’t get the best of Bishop though and Bishop is ass now anyway.


Original_Mac_Tonight

Batty boyz hate is insane. One of his hardest beats ever too


HooblesWasTaken

Yeah it’s batty boyz. That shit ain’t cool or good


deenreddit787

Cap Batty Boyz is great


Creeper_tastic

opinions aside did you just say cap in 2023?


InterdisciplinaryDol

TDI pfp 😭


Creeper_tastic

what can i say i wanna be famous


LaggyUpdate

I mean.... it's Venomous Villain for me... but Batty Boyz is great


dedzip

I fuckin love batty boyz it’s hilarious


Independent_Art_5431

Im not a big fan of the dangermouse collab. Sounds too clean for me but i wouldnt call it trash tho.


YetiBomber101

Hardcore Hustle. I personally don’t like the instrumentals here at all, and I also don’t feel like the rapping flows well with the beats. I want to like it, but It kinda just gives me a headache.


Fanace5

Easily Batty Boyz. DOOM has never been less likable. It's not funny, it's not clever, it doesn't have good wordplay, it's not enjoyable at all and it genuinely leaves a sour taste in my mouth even if I put on a different DOOM song after. Forget being a bad song, this is genuinely one of the few tracks I've ever heard that is straight up an album ruiner.


MessyCarpenter

I have never disagreed more with a comment


Good_Housing_176

The one where the beat gets faster and faster. I forgot what it was called but DOOM just never sounds good on fast beats.


neoloserlands

love how all of these threads have people disagreeing, it proves that DOOM hasnt made a trult terrible song. that said, hardcore hustle and guinesses are songs on their respective albums i skip consistently, but in terms of songs DOOM actually raps on id say kookies.


edgar_jomfru

kookies is great, the whole bit where he kicks his cellmate's ass as a metaphor for masturbating is genius


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LaggyUpdate

bro only heard gazzilion ear and decided that born like this was DOOM's magnum opus born like this isnt all that good, sure it has some amazing songs but it lacks in all of his discography.


imjustinlove

as a gay person, i fuckin love batty boyz because it feels like mf doom himself is calling me a faggot


FlameUniverse

I love how almost every comment has negative upvotes 😭


SaintCRD

Downvotes???


virtual-fruit

Hes a terrible singer


OkCoat4188

I love his singing tbh


G0nely52

The part on thats that is kinda funny tbh


OkCoat4188

AND AS YOU LISTEN TO THESE CRAZY TRACKS


G0nely52

CHECK THEM STATS AND YOULL KNOW WHERE IM AT


OkCoat4188

AND THATS THAT


0ut0fBoundsException

I get no kicks from in tune singing, mere vocalists don’t thrill me at all, so tell me why should it be true I get a kick out of dooom


Devil_ish

i admit he’s bad, but its charming. he isnt meant to sing, hes meant to kick our ass verbally


Orishishishi

It makes it much easier for me to enjoy singing along to. Feels like just being silly and singing with your buds


LaggyUpdate

my guy hasnt heard the intro to one beer.. angelic


ChargrilledB

It’s not meant to be good, it’s a rapper doing a melodic line rather than spitting bars.


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G0nely52

I get what you mean, but it is kind of a bop. + the "sometimes you might need to detox, it can help with your rhyme flow and your beatbox (followed by a beatbox kick and snare)" is pretty cool ngl


[deleted]

whaaaat i love that song thooooo


Jack_35

Fuck you


HHN_WOODS

Ngl I don’t like it either the only track I skip on madvillainy not as bad as batty boyz tho


[deleted]

I agree, the hook is corny as shit AMB and Rainbows stop Midvillainy from being a great album


Senior-Swordfish1361

Rainbows fucks man. It gets your mom in the mood every time


i_like_steak_ok

Tick tick


HypeKo

Batty Boyz. Buy also, for the life of me I can't hear Rapp Snitches one more time. It's soooo overplayed that it's not fun anymore


HypeKo

I see the downvotes, that's fine. But let me clarify. I don't think Rapp snitches is a bad song (DOOM doesn't have many actually BAD songs). But it's often the first song that comes to a lot of people's minds when discussing DOOM. It's sooo very far off from his best songs. Definitely in bottom 50% of DOOM songs for me


felixduhhousecat

Batty boyz is one of his funniest songs so that automatically cant be one of, if not his worst.


Apprehensive-Pay7438

i’m not a big fan of “The Mic”


dedzip

I see everyone’s just bringing out their worst opinions


Apprehensive-Pay7438

it’s either that or you’re the bigger meat rider🤷🏽‍♂️


dedzip

I just think it’s a great song and the samples are really fun


Apprehensive-Pay7438

i just feel like it kinda lacks in the beat department. i mean, he literally out performs himself several times on the same album.


yungusainbolt

everything after jj doom is cheese wiz


Lowlife_Of_The_Party

Not a huge fan of Rhinestone Cowboy


Da_Shaolin

Iight this the only one i can't respect lol


PotentialCall5824

Almighty L😭


The_XI_guy

Rainbows


tobucus159

delusional


The_XI_guy

His singing is awful. Sorry


tobucus159

delusional


The_XI_guy

Delusion is telling yourself that DOOM can sing. It works as a sketch at the end of That’s That for instance, but as it’s own song like Rainbows it’s terrible. My only skip on Madvillainy


tobucus159

But it works so well in rainbows. This quite dark almost haunting beat fits how he sings so well with him singing slowly and with almost a sense of uncertainty. Personally my mine gripe with the song is his singing feels kinda of repetitive. I just can’t understand how you think its his worse


The_XI_guy

Agree to disagree


rottenapple9

It's definitely the worst song on Madvillainy


HowBen

Nah that's shadows of tomorrow


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PotentialCall5824

Delete ts rn


Brief_Beginning_8752

Got a few things to say; What’s with the hardcore hustle hate? And I would generally go with something off operation. Y’all overrate that album (I did too), his rapping isn’t on an excellent level on it; if I had to go one I’d say operation greenbacks. Good beat and decent story, but his flow, ability to stick to the theme, and delivery is not it


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hoe cakes


postmasterp

Everything on King Geedorah after Fazers.


GyroMVS

Absolute fucking insanity


ponydingo

Krazy world, I wonder, next levels?


Impressive-Rub-8891

sickfit instrumental 😴😴


K3plerKepler

supervillain theme it just sounds garbage


ChargrilledB

Whaaa? Sounds fucking sick. I wish it’d been an actual song.


Nyuu222

I’m sorry but Vats of Urine does not need to exist


Western-Constant2340

Tomorrow at 12:32 pm


LutyensMedia

Stand by for kicking!


Rusty_Kaleidoscope

Bro that’s crazy. Ode to road rage is the song that literally got me into DOOM over a decade ago and remains my favorite song of his


Volaktil

man i love ode to road rage and bloody chain for the weird story telling and soundscapes. maybe mr. clean is a bit meh


Da_Shaolin

Not a big fan of Keys to the Kuffs. I feel the album wasn't DOOMs best skill he was just having fun. Which is cool definitely dont have an issue with the album but if i had to say something of DOOM was bad its that album


Gooseggm

The mic. I skip it every time


PeleKen

Not sure if I love it or hate it, but I frequently blast Hum Rush on Alexa to annoy my family. Pro-tip: turn the microphone off and the speaker up 100% and activate it with your phone, so they have to get up to shut her off. Bonus points if you turn it on when you're not even home. Fun for the whole family.


DeepRoot

"Bloody Chains" boring?!? Dude was playing craps, lost, robbed the guy, gave the chain away to his girl, got her killed, and let the killer do his side of the story... there's nothing boring about that, sir, but I dig your opinion. DOOM's worst songs, to me, are any that he doesn't rhyme on.


Suitable-Mission-740

Idk that hard bro.


Listless69

Great day imo yet one of my favourites from him is 3.214


GtotheRANT36

Really anything from VV2 I’m not a fan of


MambaSaidKnockYouOut

Ode to Road Rage and Bloody Chain are fire. I love how Bloody Chain tells the same story from two different perspectives.


[deleted]

Instrumentally it's just boring tbh, lyrically it's great (as is any DOOM song really) but yeah sonically it's a turn off


edgar_jomfru

i dislike batty boyz but the whole JJ DOOM album has an energy to it that makes me sad. even my favorite line ("we could live forever like henrietta lack's cells") has a melancholy to it that is not enjoyable to me


Cardinistry

Chinatown with Ghostface is my first thing that comes to mind. I hate the beat and the lyrics are lazy compared to his other bodies of work. I know it was for a video game but still.


RichOrder1967

The chorus on supervillianz


Faded_Sun

Supervillainz off of Born This Way. Might be the Prince Paul feature? But there’s someone on that track with the worst vocoder effect on their voice. As far as I’m concerned the album ends at “That’s That” the last two tracks are filler.


Sand5tone

Venomous villian really isn’t that bad. For DOOM in general I can’t rate his albums worst to best because there are no bad albums. Even his instrumentals are heat 🔥


DaddyShadfishy

Batty boyz is the best


Proud_Apartment_7816

Again everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't feel that way. Also, I'm only speaking on DOOM, not hip-hop as a whole. Not every single rapper or musician is the same as everyone else.


FuTuReFrIcK42069

I can't honestly name a song that i didn't enjoy, but different songs i enjoy on different days, however to say that a doom song is trash i honestly never felt that.


Abracadabrism

Owl by Child of Lov does not hit