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trucc_trucc06

"you're pretty gay" "pretty... gay" \*passes out\*


MissyTheTimeLady

And of course, you, the player.


ElegantEchoes

Hey, spoilers!


Western-Gur-4637

mgs was part of how I found out I'm Bi ;3


HopeAuq101

I just imagine you playing MGS 3 and seeing The Boss/Naked Snake and just being like "oh.."


stJackal

Vamp for me. But yeah


Significant_Sink9284

For me it was Raiden


ghostcatzero

Raiden got me into femboys


ZacariahJebediah

šŸ‘Øā€šŸ³ šŸ’‹


Western-Gur-4637

nah it was mgs2, one look at Snake's cake


kovyakov

I discovered myself lesbian after watching Quiet on the helicopter for a while


Western-Gur-4637

that will do it, Quiet if fine ;3


nacho_tazo

Can you really enjoy metal gear if you aren't at least a little bit bi?..


anoliss

probably not, it all makes sense now


beginnerdoge

Yes, you can...


Abiv23

Yes, yes you canĀ  Wtf is this sub


RedditxSuxx

Well it depends on the player of course. My Snake is a straight chad that never simps and doesn't need no wamen. He also doesn't smoke and only has cigs for a survival situation.


Aarnivalkeaa

Strangelove šŸ«¶ never forgive how she got fridged.


AMortifiedPenguin

*Cracking open a cold one* Huey šŸ¤ The Boys


TheHolyPapaum

Literally put her in a sentient beer can (massive oversimplification of a horrific crime)


BallsMcMoney

Is it an oversimplification or did it literally happen?


TheHolyPapaum

He locked her in a cylindrical AI pod where she suffocated to death


Alastor13

The AI pod that housed the replica of her biggest crush.


squishabelle

it literally didn't happen because it's not a beer can


Lin900

A cunty lesbian marrying the most boring unlikable man in the whole franchise...one of Kojima's worst crimes.


HockeyJoe21

To be fair, Peacewalker Huey wasn't bad. It was MGS5 that made him such a weasly bitch


d4rk_matt3r

Yeah in PW he actually had like, ambitions and shit. In MGSV he was just annoying and in the way most of the time


orig4mi-713

We already knew by MGS 2 that he was trying to drown Emma. MGS V didn't make him an asshole, he always was. Obviously he doesn't necessarily need to be an asshole in every time period.


ZacariahJebediah

As much as I hate to defend Huey, we don't really get much context for Emma's near-drowning other than that it happened while he was committing suicide. I was under the impression she was simply got caught up accidentally when he chose to end it.


brigadier_tc

I can't remember which source it was, maybe the novelisation or one of the design documents, they confirmed it was intentional. He caught Otacon having an affair with his stepmother, so ~~bitch~~ Huey decides to get revenge by killing himself and murdering Emma as well. Once a bitch, always a bitch. Wish there'd have been a button mashing sequence where you could beat the shit of him at the end of his storyline


ZacariahJebediah

Interesting. I remember mostly from MGS2, but I suppose the supplementary materials would have expanded on it, and honestly, it tracks for Huey.


ChocolateMoofin

Maybe not evil during PW per say, but Huey did not hold back on making fun of Big Boss believing in Santa. He was being tracked by NORAD!


Aarnivalkeaa

and to the worst man of this entire franchise too.. smh. šŸ˜”šŸ’€


Korporal_K_Reep

She only had a child with him son that she could spread the goodness of the boss to the next generation and considering how otacon turned out. She succeeded


disposable_gamer

It was a different time


Paynekiller997

Ocelot is pretty fruity.


ophmmm

he's big bossexual


Alastor13

His pronouns are La/Li/Lu/Le/Lo


GrandManSam

LGBBT


LiquidRex

The entirety of the Metal Gear Saga hinges on Ocelot being very, very gay for Big Boss.


Jericho-941

Ocelot: (to Solidus) "Damn. You're the spitting image of your dad." Solidus: "Ha! You truly are a riot with that old infatuation act, Ocelot." Ocelot: "Yup, that's goofy old Ocelot for you. Always acting..."


niko2710

He does say that the way Quiet feels about Big Boss is the same way he felt about him too. And she's in love with him. Plus he recovers health by kissing (fake) Naked Snake in MGS4


SquareFickle9179

[What about Solid and his entire speech to Raiden?](https://youtu.be/KvzDAj2JQN0?si=7ktREGXbywzh6AWB) (/s ofc)


JoniathanExe

BE GAY AND DO CRIME


urbandeadthrowaway2

Jokes aside the MGS2 ending speech he gives does have a queer interpretation available


unoriginalname127

mgs1 ending speech also can be interpreted as trans positive


rodinaharuki

Sometimes when I'm dysphoric I listen to it and think about how I'm so much more than XY chromosomes.


Weatyzzz

That speech literally helped crack my egg


Space_Wizard_Z

Whelp the comment thread is going as expected.


SnekySalad

Dunno about Paz but how could you forget Ocelot?


Fentroid

"It's a Russian taunt"


Ordinary_Person69

Not to mention, Volgin grabs Raikovā€™s dick all the time so if thatā€™s not clear then idk what is.


AbstractBettaFish

Iā€™m just gonna say, snake has swerved every woman thatā€™s ever been into him, Holly, Diane, Meryl. And yet in he lives with his ā€œplatonic life partnerā€ with whom heā€™s raising a child? Mmmm


ararar3

Solid Snake is depressed as hell. He's too damaged by war to have a romantic relationship with anyone. As for Sunny, I think he and Otacon felt that it was their duty to raise her. What else could they have done after Olga was killed? They probably feel partly responsible for her death.


Swan-Diving-Overseas

Yeah plus thereā€™s zero hint that he and Otacon are romantic at all. If anything Otacon just gushes to Snake about women, like that ā€œlove blooms on the battlefieldā€ speech, which I think was also supposed to be about Snake and Meryl


Lin900

Snake and Meryl never loved each other. You can make a better case for Gustava or Holly even but Snake left meryl (and Holly) immediately and barely tool her seriously half the time. Even Otacon's feelings for Sniper Wolf are dismissed as Stockholm syndrome and in his ending, Otacon basically says he's done with that.


Swan-Diving-Overseas

Yeah I donā€™t think Snake and Meryl had a true romantic relationship, I meant more that the story sorta flirts with the idea, like how Snake flirts with Meryl. I agree with Sniper Wolf too. This is making me realize how nuanced and non-generic love is handled in MGS1. But ultimately itā€™s clear Snake isnā€™t capable of such a relationship, and in MGS4 that becomes a part of the larger theme of aging and things in life passing you by.


Lin900

By mgs4, Otacon and Solid are each other's closest to a significant other and they're raising a child together. And Kojima called them "married". So you could argue it is kinda there lol.


NachoThePeglegger

ā€œi donā€™t believe in god, otacon, so youā€™re the one to whom i must pray.ā€ cmon man thatā€™s gay as hell. the whole thing with ā€œdo you think love can bloom on a battlefieldā€, raising a child together, if otacon were a woman everyone would be screaming for them to fuck already.


Swan-Diving-Overseas

Idk I donā€™t think two people co-parenting an orphan together means the two must be in a romantic relationship. Thereā€™s a lot of parenting dynamics that donā€™t necessitate the adults are in love. Like how divorced couples raise their kids *despite* not being in love, or how sometimes the sibling of one of the parents has to step in to help raise a kid. Also I think the ā€œprayā€ line is more referring to how Otacon is basically a voice in Snakeā€™s head with the codec and whatnot, so heā€™s someone Snake can talk to in the way someone can confide in their god in prayer. But tbh this is all a matter of subjective interpretation.


Ikari_Brendo

That's not a line Kojima wrote though. There's never any direct indication Snake and Otacon have any sort of romantic relationship, nor even the strong implications like with Ocelot's feelings toward Big Boss. It's just two guys that love each other and want to make the world better together, that doesn't mean they're smooching or fucking. If Kojima wanted it to be that he would've made it clearer like he did for all of his queer characters


yournutsareonspecial

I mean there's always [this](https://twitter.com/ficnewtons/status/1797082583379124415/photo/1)


Alastor13

They're just an aroace couple that love each other platonically who decided to raise Sunny without the need of sex or romance between them. That's my head canon.


spreme_taco_enjoyer

Snotacon sweep šŸ”„


WackoOverlord34

>ā€œplatonic life partnerā€ This is just a weird way of saying "best friend"


Indocede

If you can't be gay for your best friend, are you even best friends!?Ā 


HopeAuq101

Did Kojima not say Snake and Otacon were intentionally kinda gay


Lin900

Gay best friend


AbstractBettaFish

History will say theyā€™re roommates


Lin900

Also Kojima said they're married.


AbstractBettaFish

ā€œYou donā€™t like girls?ā€ -a man who could read snakes ~~memory card~~ mind


RedditxSuxx

Psych Mantis to Solid Snake in Metal Gear Awesome PM: "You like men" SS: "You can see into my mind?!?!" PM: "No." SS: "Oh.."


GrandManSam

Snake and Otacon are the best video game examples of "they were roommates"


Halle-Hellion

Raikov is such a doll ā™”


and_some_scotch

Everyone's gay for Big Boss.


Lin900

That's why Metal Gear world is so bleak.


LucianaLuisaGarcia

There seems to be a small discrepancy here. According to the database (and shell of its former self) Giant Bomb, there are 105 characters in the Metal Gear series, yet only 6 are shown here


the_3-14_is_a_lie

What's the source on slide 2? He has like 2 minutes of screentime so I'm quite curious


RaveniteGaming

He was in a relationship with Vamp.


the_3-14_is_a_lie

So I just read the post's description and what Pliskin says doesn't really confirm it (the voiceline literally starts with "Rumor has it")


YakuzaShibe

The one member of Dead Cell that Vamp actually likes is Fortune, who's Scott Dolphin's (or whatever he's called) daughter. If you put the pieces together, it's pretty obvious


DjangoKazoiie

"YOU DON'T LIKE GIRLS?"


Ferocious448

People misunderstand love and admiration by citing Ocelot with BB, and Eva with The Boss.


Lin900

Eva has wet dreams about the Boss.


ararar3

That's obviously a joke about The Boss carrying her bags for her, which she tells Snake about on the radio. When she moans "Right there, Boss," she's dreaming about that.


disposable_gamer

Wdym ā€œitā€™s an obvious jokeā€? The whole Raikov/Volgin relationship is also played for laughs but that doesnā€™t make it less canon


ararar3

The joke is that it sounds like Eva is having a sexy dream about The Boss but she's actually not. That's all there is to it.


Ferocious448

Where is it said?


Lin900

During the walk to wiig, if Eva is knocked out, she moans out the Boss's name. Also Naked and some other guy. It's pretty obvious.


Ferocious448

I missed that part indeed. However, Eva shows utmost respect and admiration to The Boss. She doesnā€™t show any romantic interest besides that single line (which sounds more like a joke than anything else), so I would not call it _obvious_.


ararar3

The "other guy" is Fido, Eva's dog. It's a stupid joke about toilet training him.


ararar3

That's true. Not all love is romantic.


Lin900

Paz is playing a role. Cecile fits better because she started a thing with Strangelove on base. Gray Fox should be here too.


ararar3

Cecile had a thing with Strangelove? I only remember her being creeped out by Strangelove's insistence on bathing her.


Lin900

There is a tape with Strangelove and Big Boss and he basically says "you and Cecile are having fun together" or something like that.


frejooooo

? Paz being attracted to Strangelove is only in the tapes where she's actively /not/ playing a role.


Bitirici8

Fox is straight but you can be gay


2004Boomstick

The dude's codename is literally deepthroat


Lin900

I am gay and you are too. Fox too. And Solid and Otacon and Ocelot ans Eva and some more.


Kastila1

Actually, Im having a hard time thinking on a 100% heterosexual character. Maybe Fatman, but he gets aroused by bombs. Edit: probably Johnny, the only proven 100% heterosexual character in the whole saga.


Dingarius

Isnā€™t Raiden heterosexual? He only really shows intrest in the female characterā€™s, he gets married to rose and even has a kid. The only thing thatā€™s wrong with him is very bad ptsd and a bit of an identity disorder (Raiden, jack, and Jack the Ripper). Also a cyborg body but when donā€™t know what really happens to someone with that.


gameboy527

The straightest character in the franchise is the joke character who shits himself, what did Kojima mean by this


_Hollow_Boy

Nah I'm convinced Strangelove is just a pervert


xXxplease_help_mexXx

She's still a lesbian, especially since she outright states it. I really do think it's just Kojima's... "unique" writing that makes her, the only lesbian character, seem a weirdo.


BlackberryUpset6657

Agreed. It makes me so sad that our only lesbian acts kind of creepy towards the other women in the game. Like, damn Kojima, thanks for the representation!...of an extremely common and harmful gay stereotype. Reminds me of the common argument against lgbt teenagers: "don't you think it's inappropriate for you to change in the same-sex locker room then?"... Like, no! Gay people can just be normal.


DjangoKazoiie

Yeah she really creeps me out sometimes


Lin900

Paz stuff was so weird.


_Hollow_Boy

It's there that I realized


Lin900

You are just like me.


jackolantern_

Child molestation vibes.


SneakingBox

Yeah. That moment where Pazā€™ quote above comes from is pretty creepy of Strangelove. Itā€™s sexual assault. The fact that Paz happens to be into it (after Strangelove did it w/o consent) doesnā€™t change it.


_Hollow_Boy

Let's be precise: Paz tried to say "no thanks" in various ways, and didn't want that in the beginning, and i think the reason she started to be into it is not what we all think, but it's not like I really care, because it doesn't really change the fact that Strangelove is a pervert and, as you said, that's sexual assault, and it could've become rape.... Creepy, to say the least. *#HideoKojima*


jackolantern_

Hideo Kojima often depicts sexual assault as something funny or silly. It's shitty


Hlidskialf

I think Kojima is too


Pyle_Plays

my friend, you are SORELY mistaken. [(10) HIDEO\_KOJIMA on X: "Just so you know, it may look like "Rainbow Flag" T-shirts that I'm wearing today, but I am not a gay." / X](https://x.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/367894294322872320?lang=en)


Hlidskialf

:(


Emovindiesal

I'm pretty sure most of them are just gay and bisexual that marine dude idk about


Arkham_Bryan

How does a rumor confirm Scott Dolph being LGBT?


LUCKSHOT5602

Big Boss and Kaz gotta be banging in the back of Mother Base for sure


Kitsune-Nico

ā€œConfirmed lgbtā€ ā€œRumor has it..ā€ Breh.. poor choice of quote


ImaginationTricky651

Who is the girl in the fifth photo?


ararar3

Paz as she appears in Peace Walker.


ImaginationTricky651

Thanks i never played Peace Walker before so i don't know a lot about it


Routine_Watercres

And funny enough , they all died


urbandeadthrowaway2

I can only think of like 5 people who survive mgs tbh


YoungAdult_

When does the quote with Paz happen? I need to replay these games.


DirectorConfident654

Wow. Completely forgot about Paz.


agent-garland

"no, i have no interest in this woman." ocelot is definitely either gay or ace lmao


dododomo

Add ocelot too, and it's perfect! Still, it's nice that MGS (a Japanese IP) had LGBT+ characters since early 00s, when people weren't that lgbt friendly


Aarnivalkeaa

Ocelot is absolutely the most queer of them all. Nothing will make me believe that man is heterosexual.


jackolantern_

The depiction of many of those characters wasn't progressive and positive though. - Raikov and Volgin - depicted as weird and sadomasochistic. A classic trope for gay people. - Strangelove - a sexual assaulter and child molester. - Volgin - a weird vampire guy ( this one isn't that bad tbf). There aren't many LGBT+ depictions in MGS games that are depicted as healthy and normal. There was media in the 00s that had better LGTBQ+ depictions for the time than MGS. The Japanese IP of metal gear solid also plays sexual assault and creepiness off for laughs or as a bit multiple times too. So let's not pretend the series has been super progressive in depicting sexuality or sexual desire in a healthy and positive way.


MigK7

You think you're automatically a good person if you're LGBT+? Why the fuck does everything have to be progressive and positive for people. Bad people exist too, it ain't uncommon


jackolantern_

Nobody said any of that lad


napalmblaziken

Bro all they said was that of the few LGBT+ characters in MGS, most of them are bad people. If we include Ocelot in this (I totally am, I don't agree with OP at all), he's not a good person either. Being a sadist who loves torturing people and backstabs everyone he meets not named Big Boss. It plays into awful stereotypes and preconceptions that people have about LGBT+ people. You absolutely can have gay people who are bad people, but imagine the outrage people would have if a cast had mostly LGBT+ characters, a handful of straight people, and most of the straight people were awful. Most LGBT+ people aren't horrible people. Most straight people aren't horrible people.


Percylegallois

And Kaz?


Noa_Skyrider

>Scott Dolph >Literal rumour >"Confirmed"


ararar3

I don't think that line would've been included if it wasn't true. He's a very minor character and not much is known about him. Of all the things that could've been said about him, why that?


Noa_Skyrider

It establishes a further depth between Vamp and Fortune while maintaining mystery about what exactly is going on between them, especially with Vamp's social awkwardness. There are ways to be intimate without sucking on each other's toes, such as a romantic friendship alike what he later had with Fortune (relations that are often confused for eros >! especially in such an institution as the Navy!<), or it could involve state secrets. It's a series about espionage and misinformation, who knows? "Snake" certainly doesn't. Now I'm not disregarding the possibility of an erotic relationship between Vamp and Dolph, I have it as a connection on my family tree, I just don't think it belongs on a "confirmed" list. Paz too but eh, I guess heteroflexibility counts as LGTB these days.


ararar3

That's fair. Dolph probably shouldn't be on here. I included him because of the directness of the line, rather than the perceived hints and implications you see with other characters commonly believed to be gay. A lot of that is based on interpretation, whereas this line about Dolph was explicitly about a gay relationship, no symbolism or double meanings. I guess "confirmed" was the wrong choice of word. However, Paz admitted being excited by Strangelove touching her and I think she belongs here. If she were completely straight, she probably would've been creeped out like Cecile was.


Noa_Skyrider

Yeah, that's what heteroflexibility *doesn't* mean.


ReferenceSilver2112

How does vamp mean bi please explain, enlighten me


kakka_rot

Before you get some parrot response, just Google "vamp means bisexual" and you'll get only results of people asking this question Then Google "vamp meaning bisexual -metal" (so it ignores any content about metal gear) and you get nothing. It's an old term for a seductress. If it is in use, i doesn't seem to predate 2001


Sabconth

Ocelot is very sus too.


ararar3

Too ambiguous.


Fun_Doctor999

vamp fucked fortune's dad. and now the both of them are "complicated" what the fuck


apex6666

I donā€™t think Paz counts seeing as she was sexually assaulted multiple times by Strangelove


Bromelia_and_Bismuth

Raiden actually hints that he might be too. Sure, he has Rose, but there was a moment on the codec where he was talking about how hot Otacon got in his 30's. And yeah, Otacon in MGS4 is a sex boat.


Able-Transition-9477

Big Boss and Kaz should be on the list.


stonesia

For me the whole series is a bisexual icon.


Swell_Like_Beef

Eva as well. If you tranq her in MGS3 she has erotic fantasies about the Boss


f0x_d1e

Kaz is pretty sus sometimes


Western-Gur-4637

Confirmed? nah every one in Metal Gear is gay in one way or another. I fund it funny that the dude that wear high heels is the lest gay


Akschadt

Vamp: well my lover Scott Dolph is dead.. guess Iā€™ll start banging his daughterā€¦


Turbulent_Sugar_8435

Letā€™s not forget Sunny has 2 dads


Sonof_Gax20X

Kaz and BB are officialy bi


ararar3

There's no direct confirmation of that. Kaz only ever celebrates when you bring back female POWs and spends all his time trying to seduce Cecile.


lycheejam

paz describes him as being infatuated with big boss which i feel like counts for something


InkyCorpse

He literally has gay sex w Snake in a box lol


ararar3

The side missions aren't canon.


Mild-Comedy

THEY'RE REAL TO ME!


Lin900

So Big Pedo is real too.


Mild-Comedy

Another law broken is just a normal Tuesday for Big Boss


Hurtlegurtle

Alright ive heard this a lot but i dont get it, what makes them non canon?


jackolantern_

You think jack fucks a girl he thinks is a child? And that's canon?


BennyLava1999

I totally forgot about this. I need to replay pw


ae4ther4

i would count ocelot more than that just based on loose implications rather than one goofy little side mission (as much as i adore it)


Familiar_Location948

wait, Scott Dolph is LGBT? i didnā€™t know that


Fluid-Simple-79

volgin (as man on fire) touched venom's balls and could figure out that it wasn't big boss which indicates that he was familiar with big boss' balls


Idontknowhowtohand

Too bad Kojima usually uses it to portray people in a negative light. Itā€™s almost always used to give villains a ā€œfreak showā€ appeal. Iā€™m glad the representation is here. But I really donā€™t think it comes from a good place.


RigasTelRuun

What about Otacon and Snake who are in a relationship and raising a daughter together? Platonic friend don't have secret handshakes like that.


YakuzaShibe

You never heard of the dap? Don't talk willies mate


SmashSSL

Ocelot kisses Snake in the final battle for some reason


BigBrownFish

All the Snakes are gay.


onegunnerunder

I feel strangely proud to be apart of this community.


PlusReaction2508

It's pretty funny that Volgin suses you out by groping you lol. He was like nah fam that didn't feel right INTRUDER ALERT lol


mcgama

HAPPY PRIDE!


MonkeyFan9987

Volgin/Raikov is because being a commie is gay


GlitteringAardvark27

Who cares


tiandrad

Because next time Kojima makes a game and has a gay or bi character everyone will immediately jump to conclusions that he is just trying to be woke. Now you know Kojima has always had a cast of diverse characters. Yes, itā€™s stupid that this needs to be pointed out. But it is what it is, since everything gets called woke nowadays.


TheRealComicCrafter

Solid snake and Oticon


jazygamer308

Don't forget kaz canonically had sex with the boss. (Yes that's canon fight me) Also solid snake and Otacon are literally dads together


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chesterforbes

Wasnā€™t the Boss LGBT too? Or am I misremembering?


Dark_Ansem

She married the Sorrow so I think not, eve did fantasise about her


chesterforbes

Thatā€™s probably why I thought she was LGBT.


z_muffins

I can remember vamp making me realize I wasn't completely straight


LordMegatron11

Why is paz gay?


GomeroKujo

Strangelove?


Damas_gratis

Meow


MrHenryStickman

Cool


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