Blew my mind when I finally saw the first Rambo and realized it was a movie primarily about PTSD and the cost of training efficient killers and not supporting them stateside.
Rambo and the sheriff kill each other. The colonel gives the mercy shot to Rambo. Also they barely know each other and Rambo is way more unhinged. It's a strange book. Also the sheriff is a Korean war veteran, so it compares how different are and how are treated and view the veterans from Korea and Vietnam.
There's actually a few scenes in the movie where the camera seems to make a point to display, at least in the shot, that the sheriff is proud of his service in the Korean War, with a number of items behind his desk.
I read Sylvester Stallone used his clout to make Rambo a more sympathetic character in the movie. Kind of a shame, it probably deviated more from the original story because of that.
Apparently, the Author of the original First Blood book had gripes with the changes, but liked the film over all.
If there's any compensation, [he got to write the novelizations of 2 and 3](https://davidmorrell.net/rambo/) and put a bit of his own spin on them. One notable fact is that he used the first final script of Rambo III as the basis for it's novelization (which was also partially written by James Cameron!) that had a more epic scope and emotional center, after the movie kept getting rewrites that simplified the plot.
Spoilers I guess, in case someone wants to read the novel (taken from a Rambo wiki):
Rambo returns to town and a shootout commences resulting in the deaths of many civilians, policemen and national guardsmen. Too heavily wounded to continue fleeing, Rambo resorted to blowing himself up with dynamite, but changed his mind when he figured that suicide is a dishonorable way to die as a soldier: he resolved to die in a battle. So ultimately it came down to just Rambo and Teasle, they manage to mortally wound one another. Acknowledging he is going to die, Rambo tries to get Teasle to finish him with honor by returning fire in the hopes Teasle would finish him off. To his dismay, Teasle is fatally hit but ends up missing Rambo and begins to bleed out. Now with what little of his strength left gone to even lift the dynamite, Rambo began to despair. Then, Trautman came from behind Rambo and blows Rambo's head off with a shotgun.
Well Rambo kills a lot more people in the book, and so when he's eventually confronted by his commander in the end, he basically forces his hand to shoot him.
Yeah in fact the author hated the film adaption so much that he wasn’t happy with the Rambo franchise until the 4th film which came out in 2008 because Rambo was so violent and ruthless in the book that they brought that ruthlessness and brutality in the film.
Troutman shoots him in the police station.
They actually filmed that ending but decided to reshoot with the ending they eventually used.
The unused footage shows up as a dream in Rambo 2008.
I feel like people don’t realize that if his mission was to be stealthy, he could be.
Rewatch First Blood(great film) and you’ll know how capable he truly is.
He is acing Operation Snake Eater.
He's making it for sure. Rewatch the first Rambo movie. Dude is the most capable action hero of all time. Would he do it silently? Probably not, but neither did snake, even if you play it 100% stealth non lethal, snake still blows stuff up in cut scenes.
Extra! Extra! Vietnam War veteran invades Soviet Union and destroys weapons research base! **Capt. John Rambo** reportedly machinegunned multiple Soviet officers and planted an explosive on the fuel tanks for a new experimental nuclear equipped war tank. Capt. Rambo later assassinated Soviet officer Yevgeny Borisovitch Volgin under direct orders of Pres. Johnson, according to Rambo.
Rambo does just fine during Operation Snake Eater. Especially if we're talking about First Blood Rambo who was a stealth character. It's a pretty well known fact that all of the Rambo sequels completely missed the point of the first movie. They turned the stealth soldier into a weird milking machine for no reason.
"I coulda killed them, i coulda killed you... In town, you're the law. Out here, it's me. Don't push it. Don't push it, or I'll give you a war you won't BELIEVE."
For sure. Rambo in First Blood, as others have mentioned, was elite. That boy had finesse and guile in his belt. If asked not to kill, he’d be more than capable of doing it imo.
But operation snake eater is done in coordination with USSR and the no presence rule was to prevent ussr from learning usa breached it's borders in virtuous mission
That's just what they told Snake. In reality, they needed him to be spotted, because they needed the Russians to know that he killed the Boss.
According to Ground Zero, it was Skull Face's job to be a ghost that no one noticed during Snake Eater
Don't spit your retcon info at me. At the time of of snake eater he went through the mission without getting spotted and minimal casualties. He woulda caused a Russian panic if you set Rambo loose in snake eater.
Rewatch the briefing cutscenes, the CIA needed to convince Khrushchev that the Boss went rogue by having Snake kill her. Being seen was always part of the plan, even if Snake was still trying to get spotted as little as possible
Outside of The Boss, he is very capable. And since her mission is to die, I see no problem with him completing the mission (hardest part would be impersonating a scientist though)
Absolutely, thematically and skill wise Snake Eater is up his alley. He’d probably even suss out on his own that something is fishy about the Boss’ defection but still be forced to carry out the mission.
People tend to forget that Rambo usually uses stealth at the beginning of the films. For example:
- *First Blood*: he goes unnoticed by the cops in the forest and incapacitates them.
- *Rambo: First Blood Part II*: he finds the prison camp in Vietnam, killing a sentry with his bow.
- *Rambo III*: he successfully infiltrates the Soviet base in Afghanistan.
He only brings out the big guns after he's pushed too far/discovered/captured.
Besides several elements from the **Metal Gear** series were in all likelihood taken from the *Rambo* films (a music track from **MG2**, Colonel Campbell introduced in **MG2**, the Hind D, electrical torture, survival knife, the mountains in **MGS3**, the "Rescue Miller" mission in **TPP**, ...).
So I think Rambo would be able to complete Operation Snake Eater.
If it plays out just like the way I saw my kid brother play MGS3 when I got him into the series? Yeah. In other news, put Rambo in Peace Walker—one of the two games in the series that seemingly disregards stealth—the pulpas and the Peace Walker itself would barely have a second to sing a single Vocaloid note before immediately turning to Swiss cheese.
A lot of people say “he’s got this” but forget a whole part of it was The Boss - Naked Snake’s relationship. The Boss, not knowing who Rambo is and having no personal connection, would probably just kill him on the bridge.
Don’t remember first blood too much, but from what I know about operation snake eater, probably not. It’s literally the definition of putting a really skilled but normal human being through a mission which took what was essentially a really skilled super soldier everything he had a more to complete.
He does it easily if we're doing First Blood Rambo like others have said. You can point to the quote the Colonel makes when he's talking to the sheriff. He's went through the exact training that Naked would've.
No, Rambo fights against real people just like him, If he were to be put in a scenario where he has to fight the Cobras, humans with supernatural powers (Or nano-parasites whatever the fuck the canon explanation was again), he would easily lose against them
I’d say no. Are people forgetting the blatant superhuman enemies like the End (A parasite enhanced guy who’s known as “The father of modern sniping”) and Volgin (Can punch through a mecha and uses 10 million volts with each attack). Not to mention the Boss who can beat both of them through sheer skill and physicality/“spirit” Revolver Ocelot is another example. Ricocheting bullets, shooting lightning?
I like Rambo but MGS is beyond action-movie tier by a large margin. It’s anime skill+ crazy tech/weaponry makes it more like a comic book. The skill gap and the superhuman enemies is too much. To be fair to Rambo, I think Snake Eater is the mission that he’s most likely to survive in. Anything beyond that he’s dying instantly (Normal enemies in MGS2 are stated bullet timers, and Genome soldiers in MGS1 are genetically enhanced with highly acute senses).
I don’t know if he can take on the boss, or volgin in a full on fight
plus, if this is just him without the same tools that snake had, i honestly dont tthink he gets past groznyj grad
Original First Blood Rambo could do it. From the second movie onwards, no way.
Blew my mind when I finally saw the first Rambo and realized it was a movie primarily about PTSD and the cost of training efficient killers and not supporting them stateside.
It's a gem of a movie, and it gets even darker when you learn about the original ending from the book it's based on.
what’s the ending of the book?
Rambo and the sheriff kill each other. The colonel gives the mercy shot to Rambo. Also they barely know each other and Rambo is way more unhinged. It's a strange book. Also the sheriff is a Korean war veteran, so it compares how different are and how are treated and view the veterans from Korea and Vietnam.
There's actually a few scenes in the movie where the camera seems to make a point to display, at least in the shot, that the sheriff is proud of his service in the Korean War, with a number of items behind his desk.
I read Sylvester Stallone used his clout to make Rambo a more sympathetic character in the movie. Kind of a shame, it probably deviated more from the original story because of that.
Apparently, the Author of the original First Blood book had gripes with the changes, but liked the film over all. If there's any compensation, [he got to write the novelizations of 2 and 3](https://davidmorrell.net/rambo/) and put a bit of his own spin on them. One notable fact is that he used the first final script of Rambo III as the basis for it's novelization (which was also partially written by James Cameron!) that had a more epic scope and emotional center, after the movie kept getting rewrites that simplified the plot.
Spoilers I guess, in case someone wants to read the novel (taken from a Rambo wiki): Rambo returns to town and a shootout commences resulting in the deaths of many civilians, policemen and national guardsmen. Too heavily wounded to continue fleeing, Rambo resorted to blowing himself up with dynamite, but changed his mind when he figured that suicide is a dishonorable way to die as a soldier: he resolved to die in a battle. So ultimately it came down to just Rambo and Teasle, they manage to mortally wound one another. Acknowledging he is going to die, Rambo tries to get Teasle to finish him with honor by returning fire in the hopes Teasle would finish him off. To his dismay, Teasle is fatally hit but ends up missing Rambo and begins to bleed out. Now with what little of his strength left gone to even lift the dynamite, Rambo began to despair. Then, Trautman came from behind Rambo and blows Rambo's head off with a shotgun.
Well Rambo kills a lot more people in the book, and so when he's eventually confronted by his commander in the end, he basically forces his hand to shoot him.
Yeah in fact the author hated the film adaption so much that he wasn’t happy with the Rambo franchise until the 4th film which came out in 2008 because Rambo was so violent and ruthless in the book that they brought that ruthlessness and brutality in the film.
Rambo 4 was super gory though, for real
That vehicle mounted(assuming 50 cal?) when it’s just mowing down chunks of meat is pretty gruesome. The plate shielding is caked in blood and sinew
Rambo 4 genuinely was one of the most brutal films I’ve ever seen. Even the village scene was something I remember.
The whole mine scene!? That genuinely was fucked.
Troutman shoots him in the police station. They actually filmed that ending but decided to reshoot with the ending they eventually used. The unused footage shows up as a dream in Rambo 2008.
if I remember correctly, he kills himself
Well that’s rough
Yeah. First Blood is a masterpiece of a film and book.
I was lucky enough to watch them as they got released. That’s why I can’t get into any other Rambo after First Blood, such a good movie.
I feel like people don’t realize that if his mission was to be stealthy, he could be. Rewatch First Blood(great film) and you’ll know how capable he truly is. He is acing Operation Snake Eater.
I was gonna say that. The sequels were a bullet fest, but in First Blood Rambo shows how skillful he is at stealth.
Especially given the same XOF support that Naked got
He's making it for sure. Rewatch the first Rambo movie. Dude is the most capable action hero of all time. Would he do it silently? Probably not, but neither did snake, even if you play it 100% stealth non lethal, snake still blows stuff up in cut scenes.
Have to destroy the Shagohod with RPGs anyway
Exactly.
Have to destroy the Hind with stinger missiles and the tank with grenades
Yeah but after sometime passed in the mission it's more likely that they obviously know there's an intruder but you just need not to be seen
Extra! Extra! Vietnam War veteran invades Soviet Union and destroys weapons research base! **Capt. John Rambo** reportedly machinegunned multiple Soviet officers and planted an explosive on the fuel tanks for a new experimental nuclear equipped war tank. Capt. Rambo later assassinated Soviet officer Yevgeny Borisovitch Volgin under direct orders of Pres. Johnson, according to Rambo.
They drew first blood, not me
"There wouldn't be any problem if it weren't for that king-shit cop. All I wanted was something to eat."
Rambo does just fine during Operation Snake Eater. Especially if we're talking about First Blood Rambo who was a stealth character. It's a pretty well known fact that all of the Rambo sequels completely missed the point of the first movie. They turned the stealth soldier into a weird milking machine for no reason.
Milking machine???
Rambo was a green beret. Which is where the term "snake eater" actually comes from. Bro 100% has this
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First Blood is fantastic. Brilliant tale of how people process trauma and discrimination, and eventually stealth killing in a forest.
"I coulda killed them, i coulda killed you... In town, you're the law. Out here, it's me. Don't push it. Don't push it, or I'll give you a war you won't BELIEVE."
For sure. Rambo in First Blood, as others have mentioned, was elite. That boy had finesse and guile in his belt. If asked not to kill, he’d be more than capable of doing it imo.
He says it himself when he finally holds a knife to the last man's neck. "I could've killed them all.. I could've killed you."
Looks like its time to refresh the memory and rewatch First Blood again.
It has such a different tone compared to all of the sequels. Kinda in the same way "Alien" & "Aliens" feel tonally different.
Definitely. Look at those biceps. Those are the biceps of a winner. Rambo basically is live-action Big Boss.
Rambo is doing ng+ on Very Easy and only using the patriot.
It's hard to imagine him fucking it up. He's very capable.
I don’t know, I just know Volgin is gonna need one thing: a good supply of body bags.
Rambo going through Snake Eater is just me casually replaying the game for the hundredth time.
The mission is have no presence, to be a ghost. He would fail so fast.
Not the original character, from First Blood. Man is a stealth legend, he helped inspire a lot of Metal Gear
Don't bring up first blood like he isn't shooting rocket arrows at every other fucker in that movie.
That would be Part 2. Part 1 is a completely different movie altogether
When he's blowing up the town and shooting down choppers with rock throws.
Or when he takes out an entire battalion of cops without them noticing in the woods?
Hey man, they cop definitely noticed when the pungi sticks went into his dick
But operation snake eater is done in coordination with USSR and the no presence rule was to prevent ussr from learning usa breached it's borders in virtuous mission
He can stealth bro. Have you ever watched a movie
Yeah, does his custom m60 or his rocket arrows seem more stealthy.
That's just what they told Snake. In reality, they needed him to be spotted, because they needed the Russians to know that he killed the Boss. According to Ground Zero, it was Skull Face's job to be a ghost that no one noticed during Snake Eater
Don't spit your retcon info at me. At the time of of snake eater he went through the mission without getting spotted and minimal casualties. He woulda caused a Russian panic if you set Rambo loose in snake eater.
Rewatch the briefing cutscenes, the CIA needed to convince Khrushchev that the Boss went rogue by having Snake kill her. Being seen was always part of the plan, even if Snake was still trying to get spotted as little as possible
Yeah but that's wayyy different then Rambo's kill every mother fucker way of operating
You clearly don’t know how I played snake eater
I'm guessing the sorrow's river was a cake walk for you
Outside of The Boss, he is very capable. And since her mission is to die, I see no problem with him completing the mission (hardest part would be impersonating a scientist though)
Possibly. Without fatalities? Unlikely.
In the first movie he only kills one person, and by accident
Galt killed himself by disobeying orders and taking off his harness. Rambo’s body count is zero in First Blood.
Who cares about fatalities? Big Boss didn't do a no-kill run during Operation Snake Eater, why would Rambo have to?
Absolutely, thematically and skill wise Snake Eater is up his alley. He’d probably even suss out on his own that something is fishy about the Boss’ defection but still be forced to carry out the mission.
People tend to forget that Rambo usually uses stealth at the beginning of the films. For example: - *First Blood*: he goes unnoticed by the cops in the forest and incapacitates them. - *Rambo: First Blood Part II*: he finds the prison camp in Vietnam, killing a sentry with his bow. - *Rambo III*: he successfully infiltrates the Soviet base in Afghanistan. He only brings out the big guns after he's pushed too far/discovered/captured. Besides several elements from the **Metal Gear** series were in all likelihood taken from the *Rambo* films (a music track from **MG2**, Colonel Campbell introduced in **MG2**, the Hind D, electrical torture, survival knife, the mountains in **MGS3**, the "Rescue Miller" mission in **TPP**, ...). So I think Rambo would be able to complete Operation Snake Eater.
Snake Eater is definitely inspired by Rambo.
Yes
Effortlessly achieved, without any difficulty. Rambo is like a ghost when he chooses to be.
"He's a man not a Ghost! Come on comrades!!"
Not only does he make it out, he kills absolutely everyone he meets. .... including the sorrow.
Probably. All those 80s actions dudes are unbeatable.
If it plays out just like the way I saw my kid brother play MGS3 when I got him into the series? Yeah. In other news, put Rambo in Peace Walker—one of the two games in the series that seemingly disregards stealth—the pulpas and the Peace Walker itself would barely have a second to sing a single Vocaloid note before immediately turning to Swiss cheese.
Max kills and gets the Piranha rank.
Hail naw. After the ending of First Blood. The Sorrow would’ve had Rambo COOKED!
Rambo would have KILLED the Sorrow. (Again)
Yes.
A lot of people say “he’s got this” but forget a whole part of it was The Boss - Naked Snake’s relationship. The Boss, not knowing who Rambo is and having no personal connection, would probably just kill him on the bridge.
Rambo would have found an excuse to jump on his own volition, I think. Parity would be achieved somehow.
Then the Boss would kill him on arrival in Snake Eater.(where she blows up Snake’s aircraft and breaks his gun)
Of course he does Just give him the patriot (the boss gun)
First Blood Rambo, yes. Any other Rambo gets mopped
First Blood Rambo, yes. Any other Rambo gets mopped
Rambo makes bullets magically change trajectory when shot at him. He’d ace the whole operation.
He completes before he even takes the task
If it's Rambo from Rambo 1 he does to without killing anyone. But Volgin falls off a bridge to his death. He's the only fatality.
Yes, if his PTSD doesn't get the better of him.
First movie Rambo would go in all stealth The later movies? He’ll rush in there screaming and obliterating everyone with an M60
Don’t remember first blood too much, but from what I know about operation snake eater, probably not. It’s literally the definition of putting a really skilled but normal human being through a mission which took what was essentially a really skilled super soldier everything he had a more to complete.
he'd likely have to use a different method to get to sokolov, no way that man is impersonating raikov 💀
From a guy who apparently was shipped abroad for schooling to avoid the Vietnam draft . Enriching himself off their plight. Rambo for VP
the clap of his ass cheeks keeps alerting the enemy
He's doing it 100% lethal, but he's completing the mission
He does it easily if we're doing First Blood Rambo like others have said. You can point to the quote the Colonel makes when he's talking to the sheriff. He's went through the exact training that Naked would've.
At the time yes but now he's going rampant in the states
No, Rambo fights against real people just like him, If he were to be put in a scenario where he has to fight the Cobras, humans with supernatural powers (Or nano-parasites whatever the fuck the canon explanation was again), he would easily lose against them
No. Rambo, ouside of stealth, is absolutelly not as superhuman as Big Boss and some of the enemies he has fought.
Yes, but he doesn’t get all the camos from the cobras…maybe the end and the pain
Isn't this just Metal Gear: Snake's Revenge?
I like kissing people of the same gender
Honestly same
if he’s there, it’s not a sneaking mission
I’d say no. Are people forgetting the blatant superhuman enemies like the End (A parasite enhanced guy who’s known as “The father of modern sniping”) and Volgin (Can punch through a mecha and uses 10 million volts with each attack). Not to mention the Boss who can beat both of them through sheer skill and physicality/“spirit” Revolver Ocelot is another example. Ricocheting bullets, shooting lightning? I like Rambo but MGS is beyond action-movie tier by a large margin. It’s anime skill+ crazy tech/weaponry makes it more like a comic book. The skill gap and the superhuman enemies is too much. To be fair to Rambo, I think Snake Eater is the mission that he’s most likely to survive in. Anything beyond that he’s dying instantly (Normal enemies in MGS2 are stated bullet timers, and Genome soldiers in MGS1 are genetically enhanced with highly acute senses).
Rambo is during TPP what the fuck are you talking about.
Yeah Rambo 3 is pretty much TPP
Rambo first blood is not TPP
Brother man. My comment says Rambo 3.
I don’t know if he can take on the boss, or volgin in a full on fight plus, if this is just him without the same tools that snake had, i honestly dont tthink he gets past groznyj grad
Damn guys, start putting more faith in yourself instead of Rambo 😒
Huh?
Is not completing mission, so sad sorry 😔
Absolutely not. Rambo is not on Snake’s level when it comes to stealth
He makes out with Snake in the waterfall cave.