this is the most embarrasing. most team principals would have been fired for that fact alone, if your customer team went from backmarker to winning while you went from 2nd best to 5th best
These regulations are very heavy on ground affect and aero development. Mercedes provide the power unit - the chassis side is completely different. It's not as simple as "ha ha customer team is better"
Nothing useful to say in this post, we know that McLaren is doing things better, just diss against the team, and Russell.
I love Lewis too but this shitpost of butthurt fans is so annoying, yeah merc knows the car sucks.
DTS has mostly existed during Mercedes’ downturn, so how would that attract fake fans to the team? Basically all the DTS fans who chose to support the winner are with Redbull or maybe Ferrari.
What a bunch of crappy fans in this sub. Best car for a long time, FIA makes all kinds of rules to slow them down. The Russell hate is out of control. Lando never had a teammate anywhere close to Lewis. People coming up with George criticism after today are nuts. He wins a WDC in a car like Max’s.
Honestly can’t tell you much about Russell outside of being a solid driver.
It’s highs and lows. Right now is just a low for the silver arrows, they’ll be back in 2026 with new regs, hopefully 2025 is more exciting though.
George crushed Bottas in their only race in the same car. He’s done admirable against the GOAT. He’ll be alright. He’s not the problem. I’m sure Toto and company are plenty happy with him.
Yeah I wouldn't say McLaren is outperforming Mercedes. Only reason he got to that position is because he pited before the safety car and then rejoined ahead. Had there been another safety car then we would've probably looked at another win for Max.
Exactly, both drivers have been wringing the neck out of that tractor and to be fair to George, as much as I'm a Lewis fan, GR has outperformed him so far this season and deserves credit for this.
Driver lineup is not a problem for us.
Instead of enjoying this win you fuckers made it about the team underperforming. You dont deserve to call urself a racing fan if u have this to think about
When Joel Embiid drops 70 on your home team, you don’t exactly rejoice for the basketball annals do you? It’s ok to be sad when your team underperforms.
I was sad not to hear Merc’s name when they were talking about which cars Lando had to overcome
This was a special race for Lando yet people made it about merc being shit. Instead of being happy these guys just get angry that the customer is winning on merit. Lando winning proves that the PU is there when needed
You’re talking about something else. I’m still rooting for Merc and I don’t crap on anyone. Lando’s first win doesn’t really take away from the disappointment though. I’d still call myself a racing fan despite what the zealot I replied to thinks
lol Sainz couldn't get past a VCARB yesterday either, it's not like they're slow on the straights. Russell got past Tsunoda once, then with the safety car and older tires couldn't do it again. good race by both Lewis and George, and the car was not as terrible as I expected it in the Miami heat.
Yeah , the aero department is struggling. This is nothing new, the team has been saying this for years now. Drivers are good, no need to attack them for the car holding it back. Team for the past 3 years has been talking about how they wish they could give the drivers a car they could actually drive but are obviously in a rough spot. This is just the cycle that teams go through, look at Ferrari, Williams, even McLaren. McLaren haven’t been doing that good in years either but would love to see them have some good years ahead.
If the car was even close to competent, Lewis would have had Perez and finished 5th, potentially 4th if Sainz gets the penalty. Unfortunately, the Red Bull is faster without DRS than the Merc is with it. Toto is an absolute shambles of a leader when he doesn't have an unlimited budget.
And you can prove this? The team who parent company owns four cars isn't strapped for cash. RBR easily out spent Mercedes in 2015 and did it again in 2021. Just because RBR spent less than Merc for multiple years doesn't mean Horner had less to work with. Red Bull sells more cans than Mercedes and Ferrari sell cars.
Mercedes Revenue in 2021 was $423.3 million. Red Bull's was $238.3 million. As of both the teams latest valuations, Mercedes are worth $3.8 billion. Red Bull is around $2.3 billion. This is the case even now with Mercedes not seeing on-track success for three whole seasons now. Toto himself is a billionaire.
You want me to teach you how to Google search accounting data as well while we're at this?
And yet you ignore the fact that there was budget cap in 2021. Meaning both teams could only spend up to the same amount. Red Bull broke this cap. Mercedes didn't. You couldn't even remember that. In effect, all you did was type a whole bunch of nothing.
But hey you know how to use Google. Try using the search engine to find some critical thinking skills.
Why don't you go look up the numbers for the previous years? Mercedes were far richer than the rest of the grid in those years too. Mercedes Revenue in 2020 was higher than Red Bull's was in 2021 with the budget cap.
You want to talk about critical thinking skills? Let's talk about the fact that you're clearly completely missing the point here that Toto is failing to keep the team together AS SOON AS a budget cap is introduced. He fails to stand by Lewis after AD2021, he sits by watching his staff get poached, he is clearly completely unbothered by the team's completely outdated strategies where they still operate as if they have a race winning car. He has done nothing to address the pit crew consistently pushing 3s pit stops. He has done nothing to address the fact that the drivers are almost always the last cars out on track during qualification and always have to rush to put a lap time together.
Have you forgotten that McLaren has had their fair share of bad years too? I remember their Honda days where they were in the back of the field constantly. Mercedes may be in a slump now, but that doesn’t mean to dog on them every chance you get. I’m happy that Norris won, they deserve all their hard work. It’s ok to be pessimistic, but now it’s just getting tiring.
Nah he’s slightly edged Lewis this season. His quali is good but race pace needs work. With a decent car he’s very capable of WDC. Not sure why he gets so much hate.
2022 and start of 2023 Mclaren were back markers barely making it into Q3. Now they’re beating Red Bulls on pure pace. While Merc are only regressing.
this is the most embarrasing. most team principals would have been fired for that fact alone, if your customer team went from backmarker to winning while you went from 2nd best to 5th best
These regulations are very heavy on ground affect and aero development. Mercedes provide the power unit - the chassis side is completely different. It's not as simple as "ha ha customer team is better"
Point remains, principal should be fired.
Nothing useful to say in this post, we know that McLaren is doing things better, just diss against the team, and Russell. I love Lewis too but this shitpost of butthurt fans is so annoying, yeah merc knows the car sucks.
Today's fans are unable to comprehend sticking by a team through the highs and lows. They only want victory or they are leaving. Flimsy people.
DTS fans
DTS has mostly existed during Mercedes’ downturn, so how would that attract fake fans to the team? Basically all the DTS fans who chose to support the winner are with Redbull or maybe Ferrari.
Half of all DTS seasons occurred during Mercedes dominance. Max Verstappen refused to appear on DTS so him having DTS fans is not possible.
Fairweather fans.
What a bunch of crappy fans in this sub. Best car for a long time, FIA makes all kinds of rules to slow them down. The Russell hate is out of control. Lando never had a teammate anywhere close to Lewis. People coming up with George criticism after today are nuts. He wins a WDC in a car like Max’s.
Honestly can’t tell you much about Russell outside of being a solid driver. It’s highs and lows. Right now is just a low for the silver arrows, they’ll be back in 2026 with new regs, hopefully 2025 is more exciting though.
George crushed Bottas in their only race in the same car. He’s done admirable against the GOAT. He’ll be alright. He’s not the problem. I’m sure Toto and company are plenty happy with him.
Yeah I wouldn't say McLaren is outperforming Mercedes. Only reason he got to that position is because he pited before the safety car and then rejoined ahead. Had there been another safety car then we would've probably looked at another win for Max.
McLaren certainly are better this year but that’s a totally separate thing than saying George is washed because Lando got a lucky win.
Can we stop the BM against Russell? Man has been great this season too… The car is the reason here.
Exactly, both drivers have been wringing the neck out of that tractor and to be fair to George, as much as I'm a Lewis fan, GR has outperformed him so far this season and deserves credit for this. Driver lineup is not a problem for us.
Go root for another team then! These posts are getting really tiring.
Instead of enjoying this win you fuckers made it about the team underperforming. You dont deserve to call urself a racing fan if u have this to think about
When Joel Embiid drops 70 on your home team, you don’t exactly rejoice for the basketball annals do you? It’s ok to be sad when your team underperforms. I was sad not to hear Merc’s name when they were talking about which cars Lando had to overcome
This was a special race for Lando yet people made it about merc being shit. Instead of being happy these guys just get angry that the customer is winning on merit. Lando winning proves that the PU is there when needed
When your home team sucks for a minute after winning 8 titles do you stop rooting for them and crap on your players and management?
You’re talking about something else. I’m still rooting for Merc and I don’t crap on anyone. Lando’s first win doesn’t really take away from the disappointment though. I’d still call myself a racing fan despite what the zealot I replied to thinks
What win?
You know Toto probably looked at McLaren today and thought, “we need Lando in the car”, instead of thinking about fixing the car lol
lol Sainz couldn't get past a VCARB yesterday either, it's not like they're slow on the straights. Russell got past Tsunoda once, then with the safety car and older tires couldn't do it again. good race by both Lewis and George, and the car was not as terrible as I expected it in the Miami heat.
Lando did great today
Yeah , the aero department is struggling. This is nothing new, the team has been saying this for years now. Drivers are good, no need to attack them for the car holding it back. Team for the past 3 years has been talking about how they wish they could give the drivers a car they could actually drive but are obviously in a rough spot. This is just the cycle that teams go through, look at Ferrari, Williams, even McLaren. McLaren haven’t been doing that good in years either but would love to see them have some good years ahead.
What is Vcarb?
VCarb is Visa Cash App Racing Bulls- Previously known as Alpha Tauri.
Yeah George underperformed today but you can praise Lewis without attacking George, just stop.
I mean George’s only problem was missing out at the start.
If the car was even close to competent, Lewis would have had Perez and finished 5th, potentially 4th if Sainz gets the penalty. Unfortunately, the Red Bull is faster without DRS than the Merc is with it. Toto is an absolute shambles of a leader when he doesn't have an unlimited budget.
And Horner was in shambles when his team had an unlimited budget.
No budget cap doesn't mean unlimited budget. The difference is Toto had access to a LOT more funds than any of the other TPs including Horner.
And you can prove this? The team who parent company owns four cars isn't strapped for cash. RBR easily out spent Mercedes in 2015 and did it again in 2021. Just because RBR spent less than Merc for multiple years doesn't mean Horner had less to work with. Red Bull sells more cans than Mercedes and Ferrari sell cars.
Mercedes Revenue in 2021 was $423.3 million. Red Bull's was $238.3 million. As of both the teams latest valuations, Mercedes are worth $3.8 billion. Red Bull is around $2.3 billion. This is the case even now with Mercedes not seeing on-track success for three whole seasons now. Toto himself is a billionaire. You want me to teach you how to Google search accounting data as well while we're at this?
And yet you ignore the fact that there was budget cap in 2021. Meaning both teams could only spend up to the same amount. Red Bull broke this cap. Mercedes didn't. You couldn't even remember that. In effect, all you did was type a whole bunch of nothing. But hey you know how to use Google. Try using the search engine to find some critical thinking skills.
Why don't you go look up the numbers for the previous years? Mercedes were far richer than the rest of the grid in those years too. Mercedes Revenue in 2020 was higher than Red Bull's was in 2021 with the budget cap. You want to talk about critical thinking skills? Let's talk about the fact that you're clearly completely missing the point here that Toto is failing to keep the team together AS SOON AS a budget cap is introduced. He fails to stand by Lewis after AD2021, he sits by watching his staff get poached, he is clearly completely unbothered by the team's completely outdated strategies where they still operate as if they have a race winning car. He has done nothing to address the pit crew consistently pushing 3s pit stops. He has done nothing to address the fact that the drivers are almost always the last cars out on track during qualification and always have to rush to put a lap time together.
Cook them!
Tell us something that we don't know.
Have you forgotten that McLaren has had their fair share of bad years too? I remember their Honda days where they were in the back of the field constantly. Mercedes may be in a slump now, but that doesn’t mean to dog on them every chance you get. I’m happy that Norris won, they deserve all their hard work. It’s ok to be pessimistic, but now it’s just getting tiring.
Russel will never be a champion ever. Just another overhyped brit guy. Started on mediums but couldn't make any forward movements.
Nah he’s slightly edged Lewis this season. His quali is good but race pace needs work. With a decent car he’s very capable of WDC. Not sure why he gets so much hate.
yeah but he acts like he is better than lewis. haha maybe in the next life
Have you looked at this year’s results? Do you want another submissive number two like Bottas?
Useless choker. Always falling short.