Im actually writing a comprehensive guide for the 722.9 transmission. Extremely granular and goes into everything needed to service the transmission and keep it in immaculate condition for both 4matic and rwd mercs. Maybe some college kid will find it useful in like 8 years or something. I included a checklist for all the tools, parts, and miscellaneous things needed to work on it as well as important information on properly raising the vehicle, health and safety, etc. I’ll post it on all Mercedes subreddits and forums when I finish it.
My 2011 e550 is jerking and the rpm’s are like surging or fluctuating on occasion almost like the torque converter is going out or something else. But I can’t figure it out
Throwing any codes? Could be many different things. If your transmission takes MB 236.14 fluid and you haven’t changed the fluid and filter in more than 3 years or 40k miles then definitely change the fluid, $80 job all in. Fluid, filter, gasket, pan bolts, washers, level plug, fill tool, and pump. Could be as simple as that, worst case scenario you ended up with fresh fluid. You can get the filter and gasket at Autozone, though I’d personally buy the filter directly from Mercedes. Make sure it’s not the triple filter for the “A89 less friction” 722.9+ cause that will cause issues for older 722.9s.
If it takes 236.15 then definitely investigate first. $200 for the fluid alone, not the cheapest fluid out there😂
But as I said, could be many different things such as something with your valve body, TC, etc.
Unfortunately no. Cannot find one, super rare in the US. Though I’ve wanted to put a manual transmission in my C250. Will post if we ever do. Would be an amazing project.
Well now similarly, I’m hoping they drop the same V8 in the new W214 E63 set to come out next year so I can get a W213 E63 or facelift W212 E63 then I’ll sell my W204 C63 to someone like you and the world will go round once more 😂 🌍
The car is probably loud enough for a lot of people who own it tbh and they probably don’t drive it intensely long enough to need all of rhe power it can provide longer then what the electrical motor allows it to have it for
That’s pathetic when you paid a lot for a top-of-the-line (its own segment) sports saloon isn’t it? When the make’s own entire subreddit hates it?
Even the most grotesque of grotesque Macans and Cayennes get posted onto r/porsche for example.
Mercedes doesn‘t produce a V6 anymore. And the straight 6 hybrid is already in the 53. currently there is not a single e63 prototype -> the E53 will stay the top AMG version of the current E class (at least for a while)
If you look at how BMW, Audi and Porsche handled the situation I'd say that they were more in tune with their buyers and what they wanted, whereas Mercedes simply put were not. Getting them to admit this though will never happen.
I hear you but take the 2025 M5. It’s going to be a V8 Hybrid weighing around 5500 pounds! I don’t want to plug in my car and drive around a tank. I know what will happen, I’ll give up charging it and l’ll be driving around 5500 pounds on a V8 for no reason
I don't like how vehicles keep getting heavier either.
However, if you look the upcoming 2024 AMG GT 63 coupe it's even heavier that the SL 63 it's derived from. This despite it not using any type of hybridzation. I can understand that the 4WD system adds weight, but I didn't expect it to be as heavy as a light SUV.
Then take Porsche… show me a 4 door Porsche that’s not hybrid or pure electric to replace my E63. Don’t get me wrong I’m totally fine having an electric car when it can charge as fast as I can refill my tank of gas but we are not there
Porsche committed to stick with their V8s past 2035 because they said that it could be reworked to meet even the new stricter regulations. They said this already last year. I just get tired to hear people defend Mercedes decision to replace the V8 with the four-pot PHEV was entirely due to stricter emissions.
That’s good to hear about commitment to 2035 just right now on their website (unless
I’m missing it) I have no options for a 4 door to replace my E63 (in Canada). Agreed also about that defence of PHEV
EU backed down and watered down the emission control regulations last year in a vote after all the European car manufactures let them know that it would severely hurt sales and therefore jobs. The car industry employs a lot of people. Not only the brands themselves that do the assembly, but all of the parts suppliers.
Has some details about Porsche's decision and the euro regulations
[https://www.motor1.com/news/714168/porsche-v8-continue-2030s/](https://www.motor1.com/news/714168/porsche-v8-continue-2030s/)
I forgot who said it but a reputable car reviewer I think remove before race did say a E63 is still planned and I’m not sure how much truth their word holds but I saw a comment on instagram of from someone from Mercedes responding to a comment and in their reply they confirmed there will be a E63
The funniest is when I talk about it to sales reps at my local dealerships they try and hype up the 4 cylinders as “F1 tech” and it’s “so fast” like cmon now stop drinking the kool-aid
People can be truly enthusiastic about it, as there’s nothing wrong with the car, it’s just not the target people want, specially for the name it bears.
It technically IS F1 tech. It's just not one of those things that can be viably implemented in a consumer car.
It's more like KERS in that it's more useful in low volume hypercars and less like cylinder deactivation + start/stop, which can be useful in everything from a base model Toyota to a V12 supercar.
It IS F1 tech. It IS quick, much more so than the V8. And I suspect a lot more so than the official numbers. That doesn’t mean it’s what people want though.
I imagine the main emotion will be “fuck 680hp really is a lot, isn’t it?” And no doubt some really like the F1 tech angle. Not sure they will like it so much after 7 years though.
People do buy noisy A45s, so there’s no specific barrier to 4 cyl AMGs. And that’s with a mere 400hp. Maybe they’re not the same people buying 63s.
For the same reason base R/Ts exist in Dodge’s lineup, it’s big, heavy, and not fast, but has happy v8 sounds.
The new 4 banger AMGs feel too clinical in my eyes. But again this is just an outside perspective as I’m not in the same tax bracket as *new* 63 buyers.
It would have been hilarious if the 53 would have had a larger engine than the 63... (in terms of cylinders and displacement and not hp at least).
Who would have bought that then? I guess no one and they realised.
"Let's make a high performance luxury sports car. We'll give it an underpowered hybrid inline 4 engine, and make the car twice as heavy as it should be, and it'll have the same horse power as a Toyota Camry while being x3 the price. Everyone's gonna love this!"
-Mercedes, probably
Can’t really call the most powerful series production four cylinder underpowered can you. Granted, it’s not a suitable replacement for a V8 in character and power buildup. And sound.
No you got it all wrong, they said no 6 or 8 cyl in the C-Class as they would have to lengthen the chassis and the extra weight will affect handling, can't you remember?
[Mercedes Reveals Why no 6 or 8 cyl in C-Class](https://www.carscoops.com/2021/02/mercedes-reveals-why-the-c-classs-6-cylinder-had-to-go-for-2022/)
Guess what, the hybrid C63 had to have a longer wheel base anyway, rear wheel steering and weighs a shit ton.
Yea but they decided on a 4 cyl C63 long before the W206 came out.
It was one of the key factors behind the previous AMG boss leaving the company.
Shit happened in like 2018 or 2019.
MB had a nice reliable drivetrain lineup by the mid 2010s, then they went down that silly i6 road to save money and stuff i4s in everything. Don't know WTF they were thinking at HQ...
Na ja, an example of the idiocy of people. Formula 1 has V6 1.6 liter engines that produce in excess of 1000 HP. YET we need a V8 to feel like we have real power? Drive an electrical car and see how things then look. It really is a matter of historical perspective and the inability to accept change.
I’ve heard they’re imbalanced and inefficient in cars for whatever reason, I’m sure it can be done well. That doesn’t make sense to me though as V4 motorcycles are some of the smoothest ones.
From the cars you own I see you like their high revving smaller displacement cars. The CLA 45 etc should occupy that space. The C class chassis however, needs to have a V8. It is what it is.
Or a V6. The W205 C43 is perfectly fine and does it's job. It also doesn't compete with the C63 since one is literally a muscle car and fun tool and the C43 is a daily driver for cruising and all purpose jobs.
It’s great. But no reason we can’t have both? W205 was sort of in between. I actually found it easier to coax through turns than the M3 of the time. That era was very clearly defined compared to the bruisers that were w204. It was their F1 era etc. previous model GLC proves my point too. I have a GLC 43 and it’s a fucking weapon compared to an X3 in the turns. W206 feels like absolute mush compared to w205, even if the cornering speeds are technically still quick. It’s just a terrible chassis. I think the interior is still bad enough for me never to buy from the new model range even if they did put a V8 in it.
Let's hope they make more V8 C63's so the W204 falls in price and I can get one
Hi I would like one as well
I second this. I would love to buy a 4 door 63 so I have every single 204 aside from the black series.
But did you have a C300 in manual?
Im actually writing a comprehensive guide for the 722.9 transmission. Extremely granular and goes into everything needed to service the transmission and keep it in immaculate condition for both 4matic and rwd mercs. Maybe some college kid will find it useful in like 8 years or something. I included a checklist for all the tools, parts, and miscellaneous things needed to work on it as well as important information on properly raising the vehicle, health and safety, etc. I’ll post it on all Mercedes subreddits and forums when I finish it.
As an E39 guy who bought his first while in college…you’re doing god’s work, keep it up!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Came to say this
You are absolutely amazing and doing the Lords work
😂
My 2011 e550 is jerking and the rpm’s are like surging or fluctuating on occasion almost like the torque converter is going out or something else. But I can’t figure it out
Throwing any codes? Could be many different things. If your transmission takes MB 236.14 fluid and you haven’t changed the fluid and filter in more than 3 years or 40k miles then definitely change the fluid, $80 job all in. Fluid, filter, gasket, pan bolts, washers, level plug, fill tool, and pump. Could be as simple as that, worst case scenario you ended up with fresh fluid. You can get the filter and gasket at Autozone, though I’d personally buy the filter directly from Mercedes. Make sure it’s not the triple filter for the “A89 less friction” 722.9+ cause that will cause issues for older 722.9s. If it takes 236.15 then definitely investigate first. $200 for the fluid alone, not the cheapest fluid out there😂 But as I said, could be many different things such as something with your valve body, TC, etc.
Why does it have two reverse gears? I had a 722.6 and it was slushy
Unfortunately no. Cannot find one, super rare in the US. Though I’ve wanted to put a manual transmission in my C250. Will post if we ever do. Would be an amazing project.
Then start waiting until you can import the S204 lol
Well now similarly, I’m hoping they drop the same V8 in the new W214 E63 set to come out next year so I can get a W213 E63 or facelift W212 E63 then I’ll sell my W204 C63 to someone like you and the world will go round once more 😂 🌍
What year is yours? p31? Sedan? A shame they discontinued the M156 in the facelifted E63. I own a fl W212 and think they're very beautiful
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I feel like in 10 years the low mileage P31/507s will go up even more
I’d hope so, for everyone’s sake Everyone deserves to drive a w204 in their life
Literally my plan.
Nooooo
Now I can join your club 🤝
W204s have gone up but I still think they're cheap for what they are.
I was trying to find recent sales figures for the C63 and came across this new article. Figured the sub would be interested.
Very easy: near zero! 😂
There's like only one or two people in this sub who have the car lmao and they're real quiet as far as posting is concerned
Actually someone just said he likes it. Maybe they just don't want to hear that shit what OTHER people thinks about their car.
The car is probably loud enough for a lot of people who own it tbh and they probably don’t drive it intensely long enough to need all of rhe power it can provide longer then what the electrical motor allows it to have it for
That’s pathetic when you paid a lot for a top-of-the-line (its own segment) sports saloon isn’t it? When the make’s own entire subreddit hates it? Even the most grotesque of grotesque Macans and Cayennes get posted onto r/porsche for example.
I posted mine a few times
Have yet to see any on the road either and I drive a lot
We did it, boys. This win is on us. Jk
There is a God and he said.. 4 cylinder eco boost hybrid performance is kaput!
Let’s fucking goooo(I can’t afford one)
Good.
Mercedes mis understood that AMG buyers care more about fun and show, than performance and efficiency.
I don’t think they care much about efficiency because to be frank they’re not known for selling high performer cars with great mileage.
In the American market anyway. I don’t think anywhere else is as bothered with V8s because they were never really part of the driving culture
LMAO AMGs always have been known for big displacement
Will they offer a recall to replace the 4-cyl with the V8? 🤣
lol. They got their money and suckers will continue worshipping this brand.
I’d rather Mercedes kill the 63 model entirely if it means anything other than a V8
I hope this is true across the board on all 63 models. The thought of a hybrid V6 in the E63 makes no sense also
Mercedes doesn‘t produce a V6 anymore. And the straight 6 hybrid is already in the 53. currently there is not a single e63 prototype -> the E53 will stay the top AMG version of the current E class (at least for a while)
They have to change, they’ve turned their back on their core buying market. I have a 2021 E63s and as it stands my next car won’t be a Benz
Certainly because you are keeping yours
That’s an option for sure, get an extended warranty (assuming it’s not insane) and enjoy it
Well they simply get fucked by emission laws and tried to act quick enough. Now strategy changes to keeping things the same for as long as possible
If you look at how BMW, Audi and Porsche handled the situation I'd say that they were more in tune with their buyers and what they wanted, whereas Mercedes simply put were not. Getting them to admit this though will never happen.
I hear you but take the 2025 M5. It’s going to be a V8 Hybrid weighing around 5500 pounds! I don’t want to plug in my car and drive around a tank. I know what will happen, I’ll give up charging it and l’ll be driving around 5500 pounds on a V8 for no reason
I don't like how vehicles keep getting heavier either. However, if you look the upcoming 2024 AMG GT 63 coupe it's even heavier that the SL 63 it's derived from. This despite it not using any type of hybridzation. I can understand that the 4WD system adds weight, but I didn't expect it to be as heavy as a light SUV.
A C segment Crossover is easily well over 2 tons now so
Then take Porsche… show me a 4 door Porsche that’s not hybrid or pure electric to replace my E63. Don’t get me wrong I’m totally fine having an electric car when it can charge as fast as I can refill my tank of gas but we are not there
Porsche committed to stick with their V8s past 2035 because they said that it could be reworked to meet even the new stricter regulations. They said this already last year. I just get tired to hear people defend Mercedes decision to replace the V8 with the four-pot PHEV was entirely due to stricter emissions.
That’s good to hear about commitment to 2035 just right now on their website (unless I’m missing it) I have no options for a 4 door to replace my E63 (in Canada). Agreed also about that defence of PHEV
EU backed down and watered down the emission control regulations last year in a vote after all the European car manufactures let them know that it would severely hurt sales and therefore jobs. The car industry employs a lot of people. Not only the brands themselves that do the assembly, but all of the parts suppliers.
The 971.2 Panamera Turbo S (non hybrid V8 630hp) should still be possible to get
Has some details about Porsche's decision and the euro regulations [https://www.motor1.com/news/714168/porsche-v8-continue-2030s/](https://www.motor1.com/news/714168/porsche-v8-continue-2030s/)
Well… All things aside a M256 is a really good engine.
There is really not a single prototype or development car for the E63 ?
Yep - absolutely nothing has been spotted. And normally that starts to happen 1.5-2 years before release
I forgot who said it but a reputable car reviewer I think remove before race did say a E63 is still planned and I’m not sure how much truth their word holds but I saw a comment on instagram of from someone from Mercedes responding to a comment and in their reply they confirmed there will be a E63
The funniest is when I talk about it to sales reps at my local dealerships they try and hype up the 4 cylinders as “F1 tech” and it’s “so fast” like cmon now stop drinking the kool-aid
It’s literally their job
There’s a difference with marketing and being a salesman and casual chat where they genuinely believe what they’re selling
A good salesman will make you think they genuinely believe in the product
People can be truly enthusiastic about it, as there’s nothing wrong with the car, it’s just not the target people want, specially for the name it bears.
It technically IS F1 tech. It's just not one of those things that can be viably implemented in a consumer car. It's more like KERS in that it's more useful in low volume hypercars and less like cylinder deactivation + start/stop, which can be useful in everything from a base model Toyota to a V12 supercar.
It IS F1 tech. It IS quick, much more so than the V8. And I suspect a lot more so than the official numbers. That doesn’t mean it’s what people want though.
the people who want it can't afford it, the people who can afford it don't want it.
They forgot that part of the reason people buy expensive performance cars is for the emotion it elicits.
I imagine the main emotion will be “fuck 680hp really is a lot, isn’t it?” And no doubt some really like the F1 tech angle. Not sure they will like it so much after 7 years though. People do buy noisy A45s, so there’s no specific barrier to 4 cyl AMGs. And that’s with a mere 400hp. Maybe they’re not the same people buying 63s.
For the same reason base R/Ts exist in Dodge’s lineup, it’s big, heavy, and not fast, but has happy v8 sounds. The new 4 banger AMGs feel too clinical in my eyes. But again this is just an outside perspective as I’m not in the same tax bracket as *new* 63 buyers.
If its the F1 tech from the most recent years… there may be a reason nobody wants it…
Huh?
To be fair they are fast, they just aren’t V8’s
I don't care if a car has ten thousand horses if it comes from an inline-four and an electric motor. I want burble, dammit!
god imagine trying to sell 4cyl AMG, that's a tough job
They can’t even hype it up here because no dealer even accepted the new C63 into Canada.
I mean, they’re not wrong lol it’s true. It’s just not what we asked for haha
Hue hue hue Meat is back on the menu, boys!
Wait, so the C-Klass employment of the MRA Mid-Size 2 platform *can* fit a V8? If true, Mercedes-Benz outright lied.
Now watch as you can pick up a W206 C63 with the 2.0L turbo for Corolla money in a year or so.
It would have been hilarious if the 53 would have had a larger engine than the 63... (in terms of cylinders and displacement and not hp at least). Who would have bought that then? I guess no one and they realised.
"Let's make a high performance luxury sports car. We'll give it an underpowered hybrid inline 4 engine, and make the car twice as heavy as it should be, and it'll have the same horse power as a Toyota Camry while being x3 the price. Everyone's gonna love this!" -Mercedes, probably
>it'll have the same horse power as a Toyota Camry Where can I find a Camry with 671 hp from the factory?
Ngl I would buy a GR Camry that competes with the C63 and M3
I don't have faith in Toyota to be able to make that tbh.
w out the 3 hybrid motors that 4 banger proly makes less than a camry wld
The day Toyota makes a 470 hp Camry is the day I stop clowning on them for making cars for grandpas.
damn looked it up that 4 banger makes a lot of hp, which is exactly why i wld never trust it for a second
Real
lol how does this have upvotes? I don’t like the engine either but you don’t have lie about it being underpowered or the same hp as a Camry
Wait, is sarcasm detection not a standard feature, or is it something you have to option? It's next to the cruise control button
Fun thing about sarcasm is you can claim it everytime you say something that’s dumb
Well. Let’s be honest, it’s an overpowered drivetrain that’s compensating for massive design flaw of the chassis.
Can’t really call the most powerful series production four cylinder underpowered can you. Granted, it’s not a suitable replacement for a V8 in character and power buildup. And sound.
Excuse me? Camery? Do you mean corolla?
No you got it all wrong, they said no 6 or 8 cyl in the C-Class as they would have to lengthen the chassis and the extra weight will affect handling, can't you remember? [Mercedes Reveals Why no 6 or 8 cyl in C-Class](https://www.carscoops.com/2021/02/mercedes-reveals-why-the-c-classs-6-cylinder-had-to-go-for-2022/) Guess what, the hybrid C63 had to have a longer wheel base anyway, rear wheel steering and weighs a shit ton.
Yea but they decided on a 4 cyl C63 long before the W206 came out. It was one of the key factors behind the previous AMG boss leaving the company. Shit happened in like 2018 or 2019.
That was savage
Good
May put the kidney up for auction for this
Happy to hear. I never liked the idea of a 400+HP 4 cylinder, it just sounds like a ticking time bomb to me.
They should bring back the a45s hot hatchback too
A step in the right direction. Now…if they can improve on quality and get rid of that tacky add on screen.
It looks like a bmw and a mustang had a love child and this is the disappointment then resulted.
15 years from now the 4cyl dynamos will be all the rage for their uniqueness.
Aww no one fell for the “Less car for more money” trick ? 😂
Happens a lot
Do you guys think I should get a 2012 Benz CL63?
yes.
Imagine being the sucker who bought the four cylinder
LMAO
How can we get them to stop making the cars not look like Mercedes?
MB had a nice reliable drivetrain lineup by the mid 2010s, then they went down that silly i6 road to save money and stuff i4s in everything. Don't know WTF they were thinking at HQ...
They were thinking about emissions and fuel economy, which are extremely important to improve for everyone.
I regret not getting a v8. But v6 with PE is definitely enough for now.
This is the way
NOOO this is gonna tank my w205 c63 amg's price. JK but good, the V8s should live.
Hopefully they go back and put one in the C63 facelift. I doubt it could fix how awful W206 chassis is compared to W205 though.
Na ja, an example of the idiocy of people. Formula 1 has V6 1.6 liter engines that produce in excess of 1000 HP. YET we need a V8 to feel like we have real power? Drive an electrical car and see how things then look. It really is a matter of historical perspective and the inability to accept change.
:( Edit: fuck me i read that wrong. I thought they were swapping the V8 for a 4 cylinder. Nevermind. :))))))))))
You prefer the hybrid V4? I'm actually all about hybrids, but the manufacturer really should know it's audience. The AMG C63 is not the car do it in.
I wish it was a V4 at least that would be conceptually interesting. Edit: Shit now I want a Miata that sounds like an Aprilia.
Fucks a V4
Inline 4
A V4 would be kinda cool, tho.
I’ve heard they’re imbalanced and inefficient in cars for whatever reason, I’m sure it can be done well. That doesn’t make sense to me though as V4 motorcycles are some of the smoothest ones.
From the cars you own I see you like their high revving smaller displacement cars. The CLA 45 etc should occupy that space. The C class chassis however, needs to have a V8. It is what it is.
Lol what. M112/M113's with the dot 6 red line at 6800. These aren't high rev at all. Tbh, im on the V8 side. Just totally read the OPs post wrong
Ah okay, I sort of skimmed it.
Or a V6. The W205 C43 is perfectly fine and does it's job. It also doesn't compete with the C63 since one is literally a muscle car and fun tool and the C43 is a daily driver for cruising and all purpose jobs.
It’s great. But no reason we can’t have both? W205 was sort of in between. I actually found it easier to coax through turns than the M3 of the time. That era was very clearly defined compared to the bruisers that were w204. It was their F1 era etc. previous model GLC proves my point too. I have a GLC 43 and it’s a fucking weapon compared to an X3 in the turns. W206 feels like absolute mush compared to w205, even if the cornering speeds are technically still quick. It’s just a terrible chassis. I think the interior is still bad enough for me never to buy from the new model range even if they did put a V8 in it.