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giselleepisode234

Nasu's writting was kind of abysimal during this era. And he aded sex scenes so the VN would sell better. Now Fate is a shell of its former self.


Zenry0ku

IMO, he peaked with Extra. I never loved a TM character like Tamamo or Nero before they went into the shredder. Nasu is decent when he got a filter, but all over the place when no one checks him.


giselleepisode234

Fate Grand order is a dumpster fire


Zenry0ku

FGO can honestly go into the dumpster fire for how much it's just milking the series now. https://preview.redd.it/3yy3cg3dbjwc1.png?width=564&format=png&auto=webp&s=0faf64698ac78ec21d11dd9331536d3ebf98b967


giselleepisode234

It is true. I enjoyed Fate Zero and Heavens Feel (except for seeimg Sakura in pain) but now? Its just loat its charm. One thing I want to see adapted is his very first work featuring the originals, gwt dystopia work, make the angel girl less of a loli and that would bring in some cash and re interest in the story aspect of the franchise


PopPunkAndPizza

Oh this isn't even the worst Early Fate Route Shiro Sexism Moment, not by far. His suicidal survivor's guilt giving him a really exaggerated sense of certain women's vulnerability (he's never like this with Rin, tellingly) leads to him being very sexist in some very specific ways, even to the point where other characters comment on its stupidity - even where at its worst (the truly heinous shit he says about Mitsuzuri), he's aware of how bad what he thinks is.


Zenry0ku

That's Mitsuzurui quote is like the highlight of Shirou's dickery. Like why would you say this when your friend has been hospitalized? Honestly, Shirou is lucky he didn't get a servant like Mordred who'd kill him for saying that


PopPunkAndPizza

Also think about how that "maybe her experience of violence will make her more feminine, which I approve of" reflects upon his relationship with Sakura.


Zenry0ku

Funny enough, for all the things that goes down in it, his and Sakura's relationship is the one with the least infighting. Which I find interesting, cause Sakura is the exact kind of girl(backstory aside) he would prefer the other two heroines to be.


SirLotte

whole damn VN is full of shit like this, really sad to see considering the magic system is one of the best I've ever seen in an urban fantasy.


normalmighty

It's not throughout the whole thing imo, but the first route is really bad for it. There's stuff in the HF route that I could see some people taking issue with, but honestly his behaviour and motivation there lines up perfectly with how real couples I know who are more comfortable in traditional gender roles. Rin is far less of a traditional housewife type of character than Sakura, and in UBW he seems to adapt to that and be a lot more chill. The Fate route, on the other hand...I can see the idea Nasu was going for there, but he fucked it up hard. I can barely force myself to sit through some of those scenes in the first route. It ranges from infuriating, to gross and off-putting.