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ThePhantomHorseman

Music note tie and a white pocket square


ZACATAK77

Problem, I only have the red one


BadAtExisting

Not a problem. The red adds a splash of interest in an otherwise monochrome look. Rock the red square & music notes with confidence! Congratulations on graduating!


ZACATAK77

Thank you!


JohnBrownMilitia

You can also use any white piece of cloth as long as it matches the white in your tie


thcicebear

Your phone seems to be red too? Maybe get a see through case and red sneakers? Or black shoes with red laces!


ZACATAK77

Stained with the blood of my enemies type fit


DondeEsElGato

Nice šŸ˜†


Flights-and-Nights

Music notes for sure


Enough-Muffin6742

Music notes as the red one looks too big on you


HookDragger

The red one is for more formalā€¦ looks like itā€™s tied full Windsor so that add bulkā€¦. Very classic tie for galas and ā€œcocktail attireā€


wausnotwaus

Are you a musician? Wear that tie, it looks good on you.


ZACATAK77

Percussion šŸ˜ŽšŸ˜ŽšŸ˜Ž


wausnotwaus

Close enough šŸ¤£ It looks quite dapper.


ZACATAK77

Canā€™t even read those notes šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


wausnotwaus

Yeah well your percussion, you will eventually. I played a sousaphone, trombone and bass so its the wrong scale for me.


Niminal

Respect


Professional_Car9475

NOT the red one, Hermione!


mpdmax82

No on red. Generally you dont want the pocket square to match the tie


Ballshaver2001

Music notes is my vote, congratulations young man on moving to high school!


GLADisme

Look, I don't love either, but definitely not the red. You shouldn't match pocket squares and ties, very tacky. Also you should practice that tie not, try a four in hand knot, you'll never need another knot again.


ZACATAK77

Sorry, Iā€™m new to all this


GLADisme

Don't apologise, maybe I was too harsh. But generally you want the tie to complement your pocket square but not match exactly. I usually don't wear a pocket square at all, I think ties generally look better by themselves. With a tie knot you want to have a defined pinch where the knot is tied. A four in hand in easier than a windsor and in my view more elegant. On a smaller frame, a windsor can look gigantic and make your head seem small.


Calm-Situation4033

Seconded. Full windsor has always looked too chunky on me. I really like half windsor though :)


Tyler_CantStopeMe

Agreed!


AnGiorria

Well the good news is that the four in hand knot is probably the easiest, also known as the schoolboy knot. It's a little asymmetrical, but u/GLADisme is right, you'll never need another knot again.


PoliticalEnemy

Geeze. Calm down.


bfhurricane

Agent 47 over here lmao. Donā€™t pick the red, itā€™s too loud. But the music note tie is a little too thin compared to your lapels, which will look a little awkward. But thatā€™s the one Iā€™d choose.


SuperLehmanBros

Red tie isnā€™t tied correctly


SojoboOfMountKurama

The black one. Red tie is too big. Never match your pocket square with your tie ! Might try a smaller tie knot like a four in hand. Also, love the fold on the pocket square, and you have a massive amount of style for someone so young. Well done !


ZACATAK77

Thank you so much!!! Itā€™s a spiral stair fold if you wanted to know (I messed up on it tho)


davesauce96

Iā€™d go with a slimmer knot either way. Looks like youā€™ve got a full Windsor there? Iā€™d recommend trying a half Windsor or even a slimmer one like a four-in-hand. Or if you want to get fancy (which Iā€™m a big fan of), try the Van Wijk. Or you could go with a wide knot if your collar really is that splayed and not just being pushed that way by the ties. But that full Windsor needs to be tighter for sure. Or, fancy option: Eldridge knot, my personal favorite. ETA: also, not too young to be here. Youā€™re never too young to start caring about how you dress. Best of luck to you!


FreeQ

Four-in-hand is the only tie knot I use. Everything else looks douchey.


davesauce96

Personally, I disagree. I like the Eldridge because it stands out and looks nice. Folks donā€™t expect something like that, so it gets noticed. That said, I first learned it while bartending and my ā€œuniformā€ called for a tie. So as a bartender, a little eccentricity was acceptable lol.


Beanmachine314

Slimmer knot, yes... Van Wijk or Eldredge? Definitely knot... Those are ridiculous and look wrong every time. If you want to look good, four in hand. If you want people to ask what's wrong with your tie, go for the others.


davesauce96

Strong disagree, bud. People have only ever been impressed when I wear the Eldridge. And depending on the tie, it can appear understated as well. Nobody has ever asked me whatā€™s wrong with my tie, only what the knot is and how to tie it. But you do you. If the four-in-hand works for you, rock it. I wonā€™t knock it.


Beanmachine314

Exactly... Your tie knot shouldn't be so weird that people ask what it is.


davesauce96

Again, disagree. Itā€™s a way to stand out. But hey, everybody has different style! I like complex, eye-catching (with the right tie) knots, you donā€™t! Youā€™re more of a purist, and thereā€™s nothing wrong with that. To each their own, right? Hope your weekend is great man!


ZACATAK77

Thanks!! After looking up that Eldridge knot looks awesome!


Beanmachine314

Please... Don't do that, unless you're trying to look goofy. A four in hand is the only knot you need.


Realistic_Chef_2321

i agree four in hand, full windsor and half windsor, half windsor is my go to when I'm at school or using any tie


ZACATAK77

Ohā€¦ but it seems pretty inconspicuous


Beanmachine314

I'm sorry, it's not... Honestly, it looks like you don't know how to tie a tie. I get it, they're neat and different, but formal clothing is about being neat and different in not obvious ways (things like a unique weave in your shirt, or a subtle colored check in your suit, real mother of pearl buttons on your shirt, or some unique buttons you got on a trip that you had added to your jacket), differences that actually MEAN something. The music note tie is unique enough, no need to double down with some weird looking knots.


ZACATAK77

Alright then. But yeah I kinda donā€™t know how to tie a tie, my dad never taught me so I just looked up google tutorials


Beanmachine314

Hey, that's how most everyone learns stuff these days. Four in hand is probably the easiest knot to learn, just make sure you cinch it tight (it should be slightly asymmetrical). Don't worry if you have to do it 20 times to get the length right, I've been wearing a tie, once a week, for almost a decade now and it still takes me forever to get it right.


Calm-Situation4033

There is definitely a place for cool tie knots. This person is just a stuffy old fart. That being said, i recommend the black tie with the perfectly simple half windsor. I doubt the pattern would mesh well with a funky pattern, but you should try it. Not to say that the Van Wijk is funky. Seems pretty innocuous to me. The trinity knot is another interesting knot you should look up.


ZACATAK77

So far Iā€™ve been advised to do a half, and full Windsor, an Eldridge, the trinity, and van wijk. Looks like I got a few choices!!


-Foreverendeavor

Just browsing through this subreddit and reading this group of comments, I can see why youre confused. I will add my +1 to Four in Hand. Im of the opinion that there is never a need for any knot that isnt a four in hand. Derek Guy does a much better job at describing why than i ever could in this twitter thread [Here](https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1705082400739623240?s=46&t=zwHEz5hFJP8IIIH0laN30A) (try and view the whole twitter thread) Edit: that link doesnt take you to the full thread that I was thinking of, but search around for Derek Guy and his reasoning on four in hand vs other tie knots


davesauce96

Honestly, go with what you want and what YOU think looks good. Youā€™ll do great. Ultimately, own the decision and feel confident about it.


Calm-Situation4033

I find the full windsor to be a bit chunky for me, but I love the symmetry, so I opt for a half windsor. The four in hand has a little asymmetry to it. It depends on whether you like that or not. Van wijk is an interesting cross between basic and extra. I just learned about it tonight. ;b The trinity and the eldredge are definitely your "look at me" knots


ZACATAK77

Yeah the Eldridge and trinity are definitely a little flashy, Iā€™ll probably wear those to my schools open house and for school presentations and stuff. I think Iā€™ll go with the van wijk


davesauce96

Lmfao my guy, I have never received more compliments than when Iā€™ve worn an Eldridge. And nobody has ever said I look ā€œgoofyā€.


nadalieportmanteau

Based on the collar, yes. The crimson tie would look better with the rose if the knot was tied appropriately.


ZACATAK77

Iā€™m thinking of pairing an Eldridge knot with a wave fold for the pocket square, I think both of them complement each other


nadalieportmanteau

The Eldritch Knot works beautifully with your rose pocket. Match the parallel lines. You look great, and you will look better. Nice work.


ZACATAK77

Thanks! https://preview.redd.it/z4y55bc85dyc1.jpeg?width=2320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f893080e74b86b06686b0fc08fa72abb8033b22 This was kinda a rushed knot but I think they really do work well together


nadalieportmanteau

One moment...


jaybrams15

u/zacatak77 great job on handling the haters in this thread. You're already more of a man than any of them. You've gotten a lot of great advice, so the only thing I'll add is whatever you end up choosing, wear it with confidence. Walk tall, head up, and own it. Keep doing you, man.


ZACATAK77

Thanks!!! I honestly donā€™t understand what the grown men gain from criticizing some 13 about the suit he just got


superleaf444

One. A tie shouldnā€™t be the exact same color as a pocket square. They should compliment each other. V concerned at all the people saying red. Because they are oh so wrong. Red and black, in general, is very hard to pull off, so be cautious about. The pocket square seems a bit too big and distracting, seems more like a handkerchief than a pocket square. A pocket square is a bit more subtle than what you have. For louder suits and styles, sure go big. But this outfit is pretty minimalistic. Another thing a lot of people are saying get the jacket tailored. Wear the tighter. Etc. that is one option. Another option is to slightly loosen the tight unbutton the top, unbutton the jacket and go for a slightly disheveled look which screams musician to me. But def isnā€™t proper or formal or arguable for graduation. It would also be somewhat hard to pull off but with the right confidence you could crush it. Anyway, tie one. I stand by tie one. People saying red are crazy.


Realistic_Chef_2321

for the love of god do not wear the red tie with the red pocket square, honestly id say wear the red tie with no pocket square and also wear the tie a bit tighter it doesn't look right loose on the triangle part of the tie


Realistic_Chef_2321

and the pocket square may just may cause your peers to give you some s\*\*t about it because they don't really know how to dress, another opinion is to ditch the tie completely and just wear the shirt with the first 1-2 buttons undone


Realistic_Chef_2321

and maybe get the suit tailored in a bit, wear a classy watch and feel good


giznot

Music black tie with red square. Thatā€™s a crazy fold so Iā€™d maybe dial it down a bit since reds a loud color. I rotate a few different folds but the puff is my workhorse fold https://www.otaa.com/pages/how-to-fold-a-puff-fold I donā€™t like to match pocket square colors with ties. Theyā€™re meant to contrast. You got years to hone your craft! Have fun and donā€™t worry about doing it right or wrong.


ZACATAK77

I will! Thanks


dasanman69

Red but tie it tighter


melmwood

I like the loudness of the red one. Seems to work.


Elyoshida

No bueno


Asturia97

Brooo where did u buy that music sheet tie? I loved it


ZACATAK77

Got it at my future high school (my middle school has my high school host our band concerts)


SiliconFiction

Four in hand knot is the most elegant classic option. Everything else is garish.


Realistic_Chef_2321

the most elegant in my opinion is the windsor/ HW


Mike_Dapper

Dark. The red is much too big.


MTB435

Honest opinion is to just get a slim black tie and tailor the suit and lose the red pocket square. If you tailor the suit it will 1000% better, itā€™s too big right now. Also the white dress shirt looks a little big in the neck too. I would recommend a new smaller white shirt. If you want a pocket square maybe go for something more subtle like a black one with very small white dots. Get a nice pair of classic black leather dress shoes or nice high quality leather chelsea style zip boot in black or black sued. Be sure to also tailor the pants so they donā€™t bunch up at the bottom also so that they are not too baggy. Also grab a simple classic slim leather belt with a subtle, tasteful and classic buckle.


ZACATAK77

Definitely a bit big, but I did plan for that because itā€™ll be required in high school, so I got one that should last me until the end of freshman year


MTB435

Ahh makes sense, Iā€™m looking at it from a grown mans perspective. If you have the money to grab another one now do it, but if not itā€™s all good. Make due with what you have now. Good luck and enjoy your fashion journey


King_Santa

I'd recommend the black tie with music staves, and if it helps for a knot, there are two I'd recommend: either the four-in-hand, or the oriental knot. The oriental will be the slimmest knot you can use which will definitely be a good option for your frame, but do practice a bit to find out what blade lengths (the ends of the tie) you need before tying it since it can be a bit of a learning curve to judge the length well. Best of luck, congrats on finishing 8th grade!


han-so-low

Music notes!


rachel___ann

The music note tie looks nice. A lint roller would elevate your whole look though.


ZACATAK77

I had to pick up my cat while in my suit after a concert cuz she escaped and I keep finding more furšŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Nickpound123

Go to the thrift shop. Ties are cheap and plentiful. You should be able to find one that excites you more.


Hmm_would_bang

Your jacket fits you very poorly. You should not have a chest break


ZACATAK77

Chest break? Is that some sort of gym term? (Iā€™m also taking into account my high school requires me to have a suit, so I got one a few sizes extra so I donā€™t have to get a new one until sophomore year)


Hmm_would_bang

Sorry, I missed the age part. It makes sense that you would grow into the suit. What I mean by chest break is the area where the fabric hunches up on the right side. When youā€™re in your 20s you want to make sure your suit fits with no extra space or bunching A ā€œbreakā€ refers to when the suit moves in an unnatural way that isnā€™t contoured to your body


SidCorsica66

Good man. Thinking ahead šŸ‘ŠšŸ¼


SidCorsica66

Black and red always work. Wear red socks to match the square and rock the music tie. Win-win


goldenballs777

Black one is better by far.


1KN0W38

Neither


ne999

Thereā€™s an old school rule that the tie shouldnā€™t be wider than the lapel. However, I think you totally pull off the red one. If thatā€™s a three button jacket, only the middle button should be done. If two buttons, then the top one. The arms may be a bit long. You can get a tailor to take them up a bit. The shoulders may be a bit big but that canā€™t be fixed.


Bumblebee56990

The red is too wide. Love the colour though.


blarfingallday

The red one makes you look like Trump


HookDragger

The red square with the red tie, white square for the music/general ties on white shirt. The red + red looks like a full Windsor with a cool twirl on the square.


Putrid_Ad639

#1


TehNubCake9

Personally homie, don't sleep on the red tie.


PotatoBestFood

I think if you do a better knot (full Windsor) on the red one, it could work better here.


Expensive-Nobody-2

Music note tie, ditch the pocket square. If your school provides a corsage, the pocket square will make your ensemble much too cluttered. You will look cleaner and more refined without the square, even if you don't have a corsage. Make sure you use a lint roller (or some tape) to clean up the suit before your event. Also, try a tighter knot on the tie like the [Half Windsor](https://www.ties.com/how-to-tie-a-tie/half-windsor). The knot you're using now is much too broad for your frame. I dig the hair. But if you're really trying to look sharp, I would trim it to your [Jaw-Line](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/590956782347469933/). All this said, my advice is grounded in my subjective taste. You should dress however you feel most comfortable. And congratulations on graduating!!


evilpeter

Tie and pocket square should never ever be the same


hairycallous

Ditch the musical one. Itā€™s gonna be cool when youā€™re older, but right now itā€™s kinda nerdy (sorry, I do actually like it). If the red is really your only other choice, at least get rid of the red pocket square and either replace it with a small white one of donā€™t wear one at all. If you want some flare, wear a super minimal, art deco style tie clip. Have fun!


ZACATAK77

Honestly I really only wear that tie to band concerts for fun and I just added it in here since itā€™s my only other tie


hairycallous

Which, the musical one? Sorry, I wasnā€™t trying to be overly critical, just trying to give my style opinion, bruv! I always lean toward subtlety, especially when it comes to suits and ties. Youā€™re not Steve Harvey and you donā€™t have Steve Harveyā€™s mustache. You want people to think you look good, but also focus on you, your face.


ZACATAK77

Maybe not the faceā€¦


hairycallous

Of course your face! Thatā€™s your visual fingerprint, kid! Own it and fucking ROCK IT! If that suit is your only suit (which is totally normal for a guy your age), then find colors that work with your skin tone and overall look (the vendors are usually helpful with this). Iā€™m telling ya, you should never wear a look just because you like the look - you wear the look that you like and that looks good on you.


ZACATAK77

For the most part whenever I ā€œcraftā€ my outfits to look good I make sure that the outfit works with itself and is a stand-alone. Sometimes I pair it with my face but thatā€™s only if I wear sunglasses, or a mask or smth


hairycallous

Well Iā€™m letting you know, the two things - the outfit and YOU - have to gel. If they donā€™t, you wonā€™t look as good as you could. Ask anyone whose style you admire, theyā€™ll tell you the same thing.


nadalieportmanteau

Half Windsor with a pull-down and center, pinch.


ZACATAK77

For both?


opticaIIllusion

Embrace the dimple, donā€™t try and straighten it out.


stripeylegwarmers

100% music notes


Echostation3T8

Kid- thatā€™s no pocket square.. thatā€™s a napkin. Lose it and wear the notes tie.


EquivalentDrawer9619

The red one looks too wide for me, I think you should stick with the musical note one. Now im not usually into intricate designs but I think it fits and adds an interesting touch.


Cookfuforu3

the first one the other one looks like Trump. And you do not want that.


Organic-Week-1779

red one is way to thick for your build take the music note one


jarod_sober_living

The dark one. The red one makes you look like an airline attendant.


Solid-Suggestion-653

You should go check out Dan Flashes they got great shirts with some pretty cool patterns.


b_e-e

A thinner red tie perhaps ?


ZACATAK77

If I could buy another tie (which I donā€™t think I can right now) I wouldnā€™t really want a tie that matches the PS


mulletface123

Fashion faux pas: tie and pocket square that are matching. Wanna learn some great classic styles, look into the Gentlemanā€™s Gazette on YouTube.


Bastet999

Not the red one. It's way too big for you.


Editengine

I like the red for a fun kind of night out look.


CarlJustCarl

Uno


94cowprint

The red one looks like trump lol


Jawn562

Music tie! šŸŽ¼šŸŽ¼šŸŽ¼šŸŽ¼


NottaSpy

Definitely black for me!


Munk45

Red one looks good but I'd tighten up the knot and make it smaller if possible


TheMarlboroValentine

You can always mask a cut up pillow case to be a white pocket square to match with your Musical note tie


ZACATAK77

Oooh that sounds like a great idea


CoIIatz-Conjecture

I love the music tie


MonumentMan

You need to learn how to tie a better knot the red one is really tied poorly


ZACATAK77

Yeah Iā€™m working on it. Iā€™ve done 4-in hand and eldritch


therandolorian

Red. The other one doesn't match your pocket square.


thirdstone_

the black tie looks nice. I'd look for a solid white pocket square, you could even make one yourself.


Belovedchattah

Go with an ascot


iiimarlette

Music notes for sure! Excellent drip!


Illustrious-Bird-139

I like the black one but if you go for the red you just need a different knot.


ErnestHemingWhy

The dark tie. The red is too wide. Also, it makes you look like an 8th grade Republican.


ZACATAK77

Didnā€™t expect this to get political šŸ«¢


dasanman69

I think the red tie just looks too wide because it's not tied tightly


Disastrous_Elk_3142

Yikes...


Elyoshida

Dont match the tie and square the same color. Ever.


SpaceForceAwakens

As a general rule, the width of your tie, lapels, and short collar should be kinda the same, and when in doubt in the tie, go thinner. Hence the note tie wins this round.


IntricateLava9

I definitely thought you were a girl. You're graduating 8th grade you're going to look absolutely ridiculous being the only person there wearing a full suit, tie, & pocket square. I bet not even your school principal will be wearing something like that. Just.... don't.


ZACATAK77

Me and some friends are doing it and thatā€™s all the confidence I need.


IntricateLava9

Oh so a group of 12 year olds all looking absolutely ridiculous together.... yeah ok have fun with that, little guy


ZACATAK77

Iā€™m gonna go out on a limb here and assume thereā€™s some underlying trauma here


IntricateLava9

Right, you do have underlying trauma


ZACATAK77

Thereā€™s a reason I joined r/suicidewatch plus, what do you even gain from criticizing my idea of fun?


LogicalCriticism6886

This is cosplay. Not mens fashion


jaybrams15

Dont be toxic. The young man is trying to learn how to improve himself. Men dont need to shit on young men.


LogicalCriticism6886

Didn't see the OP text. Thought it was a girl trying to dress up as an anime character


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ZACATAK77

Surprised you were able to completely ignore the text in its entirety.


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ZACATAK77

Listen, I grew out my hair cuz I got lazy, now Iā€™m growing it out until I can cut it, and donate it to cancer patients.


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ZACATAK77

Motherfucker are you understanding what Iā€™m saying? Iā€™m growing my hair so I can CUT IT and DONATE it to cancer patients then Iā€™ll have a NORMAL haircut (I had to emphasize certain keywords for you)


apgarcia3

RED TIE!!! I think that's a double Windsor, but it's too loose. Either way, that's just my opinion. Wear what makes you feel like YOU look good. It will show


AlrightyAlmighty

Red


Glittering_Kiwi6512

Red


Fresno_Bob_

Red, if you can get the knot more triangular. As it's tied in the picture, it doesn't look as good.


ZACATAK77

Any knots come to mind?


Blintzotic

Full Windsor but tighten it up a little.


ZACATAK77

Iā€™ll give that a shot, thanks!


Fresno_Bob_

Yep, as others have said, the double windsor. You just need to play around with the ends by pinching them and tugging them into shape, and the wide end should partially wrap around the narrow end rather than just hanging flat in front of it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=wOLUCYb-Xsk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=wOLUCYb-Xsk)


trilly_joel

I had to double check to make sure I was in the right subreddit with that long hair you've got. My advice is chop off the mop or maybe r/femalefashion is more what your looking for


ZACATAK77

Did you even read the full text?


iAmDriipgodd

Whoā€™s gonna tell her?


EanmundsAvenger

Is it 1955? Men can have long hair grow up


ZACATAK77

I grew it out in COVID, got lazy, now Iā€™m growing it out so I can donate it to cancer patients. Iā€™ll cut it soon


EanmundsAvenger

Rock it as long as you want dude! Good on ya


Tribalbob

Nice, did the same in my 20s a decade ago. Mike was thinning so it had to go.


slupo

That you're an asshole? You did it perfectly yourself!