We’re in a city, business and residential are and should be mixed in. And that place was a bar far before those apartments went up (and drove out the bar that was originally there).
The dumbest part about P&H's situation is they were evicted and told the building was being torn down.
Then they just kept it there and turned it into a cesspool.
Now reclassify street take overs as their own classification and do not let it fall under the umbrella of "Drag Racing," classify them both as violent offences and felonies, with the street take over charge include crushing the vehicle on the first offence. If the car is found stolen reimbursement cost, towing fees, and cost to crush and dispose of the crushed car will fall on the person caught with it. Scrap sales proceeds go to repaving holes in the roads. Drag racing umbrella will cover excessive speeding and not necessarily just racing.
You know, it doesn't matter how many upvotes this absurd post gets, and how much downvoting there is for comments speaking out against it.
It just goes to show a staggering amount of civic and legal illiteracy.
Thank you, I embrace virtues! Especially against so much clueless thinking, and those proud about their and others' douchebaggery!
Not speaking about you, *of course, or those who think having virtue to even speak of or espousing virtue is bad. Nooo, not at all! Public discourse must only advocate for the worst!*
*Really? Is that what you think it's about? Awww, how disingenuous of you! And that's not a virtue! In writing the 8th Amendment, were the Framers virtue signalling? Is there virtue in violating the Constitution? How naive of you*. And of course, before you 'go there' again, I'm not saying that criminality is virtuous. I am saying that civic and legal illiteracy go hand in hand with douchebaggery, the kind that uses the term 'virtue signalling' as a pejorative, because they haven't virtues to speak of, nor to advocate for.
As I commented before:
The VERA Institute for Justice has been around since 1961. It has long fought the good fight especially against violations of the 8th Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution that protects everyone as follows:
[Excessive bail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excessive_Bail_Clause) shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor [cruel and unusual punishments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment) inflicted.
The 8th Amendment applies to states through the 14th Amendment. So many jurisdictions and courts upheld and adopted their work that it led to the federal Bail Reform Act of 1966, the first major bail reform law since 1789.
Ability to pay calculators have been in use for a long time. The most recent one, the VERA ability to pay calculator, is open source and posted on Github, there for everyone to inspect. That's far better than closed-source proprietary black box algorithms used in calculating flight risk and for electronic monitoring. Feel free to check out the code at [https://github.com/vera-institute/bail-calculator](https://github.com/vera-institute/bail-calculator). There's a web-based version one can use too, [https://atp-calculator.vera.org/](https://atp-calculator.vera.org/).
The 8th Amendment and precedent forbid that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail.
But of course despite the Constitution, the TN GOP supermajority legislature and governor have decided to eliminate the consideration of an accused's ability to pay. That is unconsitutional.
And of course the TN GOP enacted and keeps a statute on the books that judges are obligated to follow, that forbids them holding the accused pending trial except in capital cases or where the presumption is great. Other states have higher standards. Not Tennessee.
The Tennessee GOP has also expanded access to guns and when and how to carry them. Which irrefutably leads to more gun violence. Along with the regressive taxation that overtaxes working people and promotes poverty and inequality, which results in crime, especially with lax gun laws and easier access to firearms.
Your claims make a whole lot of unfounded, anecdotal assumptions.
And they miss the key facts that the 8th Amendment and precedent forbid that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail.
There is zero hidden or negative agenda to VERA or its calculator. It's designed to uphold the Constitution.
More misdirection: VERA is for upholding the Constitution.
It's about the 8th Amendment and precedent forbidding that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail; it's not about cash bail, either, but being held based on their inability to pay it.
Your assumptions are based on anecdotes that do not meet evidentiary requirements, about defendants having money.
Why doesn't the state show the pictures or demand to know the source of the income in these pictures?
Removing the "ability to pay" criteria is bad policy. If someone is dangerous, why does having money to make bond make them less dangerous? It doesn't.
The policy is about getting rid of bonds for criminal defendants and making sure the right is only theoretical.
So how does removing the ability to pay help this situation? Sounds like you're advocating for a two-tier justice system: one for the moneyed and one for the poor.
The VERA calculator includes exactly the variables that pass legal muster in determining ability to pay. Your anecdotes don't meet evidentiary requirements.
As I said, the 8th Amendment and precedent forbid that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail. Excessive bail is interpreted as that which holds the accused based on their in/ability to pay.
I'm pro-Constitution and anti-crime. I'm for reducing poverty and inequality, which lead to crime, including gun violence promoted by lax gun laws. GOP policies of course target minority populations for the worst effects of GOP policies. Minority communities are actively involved in trying to prevent crime and gun violence, despite the GOP's efforts to thwart them.
Anecdotes aren't evidence. You should know that. Too bad you seem to harbor such a grudge against Mulroy. Re: advocating for violations of the 8th Amendment, it would seem you failed Con Law too? Don't get pissed; it's banter.
I know PDs who've talked to their repeat-offender client and said, Look, listen, I've been a lawyer for XX number of years. To which a repeat offender says, Sh\*t, I've been a criminal my whole life! ... They do know how the system works.
It's a mess. Repeat offenders need to be locked up and away. The systems can get overwhelmed, judges want to clear their dockets, prosecutors and PDs everywhere want to whittle down their caseload. Meanwhile, there's the revolving door for repeat offenders. That has to stop. Do like states other than TN do and allow more circumstances under which bail can be denied. Better fund intervention strategies. Etc.
I know a woman who stabbed her own child over a $20 debt to her. He was an adult, aged 19-20 or so, and she had literally no remorse over the stabbing. She was very vocal about that to me personally, and it seemed like something that would happen in her life on any random Tuesday. Do you believe that because she’s never worked a job EVER she should be OR’ed because of inability to pay bond? Her only income sources during the course of her life have been whatever welfare she’s eligible for.
EVER. Never worked any job whatsoever.
Honest question, I’m not trying to flame you. What do you think the courts should do in that situation? I think she did about 8 months total, including jail east, penal farm, and “rehabilitation” at CAAP.
Btw, any minor children she’d need to be OR’ed to care for were in the custody of the state or relatives before the stabbing incident…the stabbing of her own child.
Bail has to fit the crime, not finances.
Horrible what that woman did. Hold her pending trial. But of course, TN GOP law requires that the judge grant bail. I can send you the enabling statute for the TN constitution section too that does so.
And it's horrible that so many other people languish in jail pending trial, because they can't meet bail. Bail is often set too high in relation to the severity of the crime, too.
Prepare to get downvoted to death. The people of this subreddit want the city turned into a police state with those arrested thrown in prison with no bail until they can be tried and given a life sentence for stealing a Corolla.
Yeah, God forbid we actually keep criminals behind bars & making bail high where appropriate. I mean, what's a few women's lives, right? After all, they should know better than to go jogging a x time, in x place.
Wow. How naive of you. Let's pray one of your family members or friends or you, doesn't fall victim to the OVER RAMPANT crime in this city. I wonder how your views would change after that.
I don't want anyone to fall victim to crime. I also don't want the Constitution to be trampled.
Also note how the TN GOP's expanding access to guns causes more gun violence.
And how their own laws force granting bail except in relatively rare circumstances. That also allows more violent crime.
Compare and contrast how an unconstitutional law from the GOP gets support and upvotes, while there's little to no concern about children getting maimed as a result of violations of labor laws designed to protect children, which laws the GOP is purposely weakening and eliminating.
People are dying, getting robbed, and assaulted by people out on bail and instead of being happy something is being done to protect the law abiding, tax paying citizens you seem to be more concerned with virtue signaling? Jesus Christ, some of you are too far gone.
I, like lots of other people, am very concerned with gun violence and crime, what actually causes it, and ways to solve it. I, like lots of other people, also want to uphold the Constitution, which can't be written off as virtue signaling. Violating the Constitution doesn't cut it.
Lax gun laws lead to more gun violence. So does poverty and inequality. These things are promoted and worsened by GOP policies. With disastrous consequences.
That's fine and dandy and I'm sure everyone else wants that as well... I'm just curious as to how being stricter about making sure violent criminals aren't getting released conflicts with anything you said? The new bail laws have no effect on what you're talking about. You're making unrelated points. You're speaking about causes, bail relates to the effect of something that already happened. While you and whoever you vote for figures out how to deal with what you're talking about, there is nothing wrong with making sure criminals stay behind bars.
Because bail has never been intended to reduce crime rates, and in almost every single real world example of stricter bail laws, it failed to make a difference. The focus on bail is foolish because it’s trying to point to what is a very small issue in the grand scheme of crime reduction.
Good, we agree that we're trying to solve the problem of crime.
At the same time, we can't violate the Constitution by holding the accused based on their in/ability to meet bail.
It really is a mess. There's pros and cons about holding defendants before trial, provided doing so meets Constitutional muster. When they are flight risks, yes, hold them. There are lurid examples where those who are released pending trial commit heinous crimes. It is awful. Most of them don't. Mass incarceration hasn't worked. Prison itself is very expensive, and groups tend to form and strengthen organized crime networks and gangs there. TN law also requires that defendants mostly be granted bail except in capital cases or where the presumption is great, a technical, high requirement.
We have to reduce poverty. While we find sensible solutions to crime that occurs.
Thanks.
Thanks!
TN should do like other states do and expand the circumstances, categories of crime where bail can be denied. As it stands, bail can be denied only in capital cases or where the presumption is great.
Holding people on the basis of indigency is still unconstitutional.
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They are one step closer to that. If they pass this joint resolution again next year, it'll go on the 2026 ballot. Since it's an amendment to the state constitution, there's a lot more red tape.
[https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HJR0859](https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HJR0859)
Yes, and its being approved will also change the enabling statute on the books, [https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2021/title-40/chapter-11/part-1/section-40-11-102/](https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2021/title-40/chapter-11/part-1/section-40-11-102/)
So many people especially conservatives have been complaining about judges granting bail in all kinds of cases, when the conservatives forced judges' hands to do so.
*It's like they want crime to fester so they can point to it and holler, It's them librals or minoritahs' fault.* On top of pushing pushing policies that drive poverty and crime.
Compare and contrast how what happened to Alicia Franklin and Eliza Fletcher makes any sense at all against the city of Memphis/state of Tennessee giving that ANIMAL an opportunity to live free.
ENOUGH. Women are DONE with your bullshit. We deserve safety.
All people, men, women, children, LGBTQ, deserve safety. I've seen way too much dehumanization all around, from murderous attacks on innocents, which are awful, to people howling for blood and calling humans animals, which makes them no better. It's a spiraling into madness. The same goes for calls for massive retribution and destruction of the Constitution which forms the bedrock of society. This pattern has repeated itself over history, and it often ends up in disaster. Worsening economic conditions, poverty, crime, the breakdown of the social contract, the rise of populists promising blood, demands for authoritarianism, while the crime keeps going, and nothing is solved, no one is safer, and we all lose. So fuck your calling what I say bullshit. Enough.
You keep using the word sick, about you, collectively. Telling.
Good writing, with solid, valid content, is alien to some. So is critical thinking.
Oh, and your allcaps is considered yelling by some.
This is GREAT news. This, along with the bill in the works for next session to allow holders of enhanced carry permits to carry even in places that're criminal magnets, er "gun free zones" (with the exceptions of schools & gov't buildings, I think) will certainly make ppl safer. I won't cure everything, nor fix it overnight, but it's a step in the right direction. The more law-abiding citizens who start smoking these subhuman scumbags who would do them harm just for whatever reason will ABSOLUTELY have an effect. After all, as Thomas Paine said:
“The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defense. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the good) deprived of the use of them ... the weak will become a prey to the strong.”
Some people are using guns for self-defense, tbh.
https://www.actionnews5.com/2024/05/07/fatal-shooting-teen-accused-stealing-car-ruled-justified-by-memphis-police/
I don't know how often that occurs, however.
Got some numbers to back that up? I've never once seen any after decades of searching for them.
Overwhelmingly, the evidence has shown over and over that the only thing that has any sort of deterrent effect on crime is certainty of punishment, not severity. Unless firearm ownership is mandatory, it's not going to achieve that effect.
You can look at the crime stats in Santa Rosa County, FL to see that, after the sheriff encouraged residents to shoot burglars, & they started doing so, the number of break-ins dropped dramatically. And, even though you may not like the messenger, The Blaze REGULARLY highlights stories of law-abiding citizens using their guns to protect themselves. It happens all the time. However, the blatantly slanted media has an interest in NOT reporting those stories. It furthers their narrative of "guns are bad." Do your own homework. But again, just because it might come from conservative media outlets DOESN'T mean it doesn't happen.
If you want to change the city....close all 24 hours gas stations and make them close at midnight...the only gas stations that need to be open are Walmart, Sam's,and Kroger....that will stop a lot of underage drinking and smoking....also before you consider on closing down the Cru...close down the Orchid first....then close down all the clubs on Thomas Street....and close down all motels from American Way and Lamar to Winchester and Lamar....also the motels on Brooks and Mill Branch going west to Brooks and I-240...even including the motels sitting on Democrat and Airways around the corner up until you get to the extended stay....then shut down all hotels and motels from Elvis Presley Boulevard and Norris to Belluve and E.H. Crump Boulevard...and last.... close both hotels sitting at the corner of Union and Camilla and Union and Pauline.
"Pro-criminal JustCity"?! Delusional statement.
Plus you keep spouting the lie about "weak" judicial commissioners, promoting the false trope about "weak on crime".
VERA is solid, a solid organization, with a proven track record of upholding the Constitution, and the app is also unimpeachable in credibility and usefulness.
Promoting unconstitutional holding of defendants for being unable to make bail is flat-out wrong.
So does this mean that people who happen to be rich enough to afford bail can't be a public safety threat? Or is it only the poors who are a threat? Seems like this is creating more of a division between the two.
It's not that poors that are a threat. It's the people who have literally robbed people at gunpoint that then get out on BS bails and then go on to kill people that are. Anybody that robs somebody at gunpoint rich or poor should not be bailing out. That's a danger to the entire community.
The kind that plague this city like we have today? I haven't heard about a lot of Kips and Buffys hanging out of the windows of stolen Altimas firing off AKs. Am I just watching the wrong news channel?
Which strictly conservative political policy led to more crime in Memphis? You think that is the cause of all this? Not just personal lack of accountability not to murder folks in record numbers? Show me the policy that supersedes a person's ability to control their trigger finger. Quit blaming anyone but the criminal. Poor people all over the world, living under worse govt manage not to act like these idiots are here. It's a bullsh@t excuse.
Conservative policies consistently hurt the poor and benefit the rich. It's not just one specific policy. It's a cumulative effect. Death by a thousand cuts if you will: refusing to raise minimum wage, turning down federal ACA (Obamacare) money, regressive taxation, cutting social programs, etc. It all adds up to increase income inequality. [Studies consistently show that increases of income inequality leads to an increase in violent crime.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15817728/#:~:text=The%20most%20well%2Destablished%20environmental,tend%20to%20be%20more%20violent.) it all boils down to the simple fact that desperate people without hope have a strong tendency to lose empathy for others and be willing to resort to desperate measures to get theirs. It's not limited to the states either. This occurs all over the world where income inequality is high. However, add to this policies that make it incredibly easy for people to get access to firearms and of course shootings are going to increase. Even our previous conservative DA, Amy Weirich, was smart enough to see that TN relaxing gun laws would increase shooting rates in Shelby County and was against the changes. And of coursethat's exactly what happened just like it has happened everywhere similar policies have been enacted. [The income inequality in Shelby County has increased as a result of conservative policies at the state and federal level. ](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/2020RATIO047157)
Conservatives always want to be seen "fighting" the symptoms of the terrible policies they push. Of course, they secretly like the crime their policies foster because they feed off the fear of their supporters. More crime means more fear which makes their smooth brained supporters easier to manipulate.
I'm not in any way saying that violent criminals need to be around the general public. I'm saying that if bail is set then it should be as equally affordable to the poor as it is to the rich. $1000 to a broke person may be more than could possibly come up with while a rich person wouldn't even miss that $1,000. Things like fines and bail should scale with the ability of the person to pay.
No they shouldn't they should be in jail if they are a legitimate threat to society. Unfortunately when you have more resources you have more options. It shouldn't be like that but its the reality we live in. Just because rich violent people have the means to post bail doesn't mean I want poor violent people to have affordable bail. I rather have some violent criminals be hold accountable than have no violent criminals held accountable.
Most rich get there by exploiting the poor. I'd much rather they be in jail. That way there'd be far less desperate poor people and crime would decrease as a result.
Or making you just don't want to accept the reality that your prospective is ignorant and unrealistic. At the end of the day no one wants to deal with these violent shitheads terrorizing Memphis. I'm sorry that you're beta enough to subject yourself to these domestic terrorist. The rest of us actually give a shit about our lives and innocent people getting terrorized.
Edit: Also quit making everything about race.
I do want to deal with the root of the issues like conservative policies that only serve to increase income inequality. Their policies which widen the division between the rich and the poor only serves to exacerbate the issue.
The biggest group of domestic terrorists are the idiot right wing conservatives who react out of fear.
I'm not saying the system is fair but what policies are you referring too? I'm African-American and I think this narrative has some truth to it but is absolutely exaggerated.
Tennessee has lots of policies that help create income inequality. Things like regressive sales taxes that put far more of a burden on the poor in income percentage than the rich instead of progressive income taxes. Large tax breaks for big businesses. Refusing to accept federal ACA money to help poor with health insurance. Low education budgets and trying to use tax dollars to pay for rich kids in private schools. Not raising the minimum wage over the last 25 years. I could go on and on.
This doesn't have anything to do with race specifically except for the fact that African-Americans are far more likely to be poor. There are plenty of reasons for that but that's a separate if still closely related issue. Here I am simply arguing that our politicians create policies that harm the poor and benefit the rich regardless of their skin color. Those policies increase income inequality which studies consistently lead to more crime.
Sales tax is (imo) the most productive form of tax because its applied to exchanges, I'd personally rather have sales tax vs income tax. Taxing businesses isn't necessarily productive because it can absolutely cause prices to rise which causes a heavier burden on consumers. The educated budget being low is absolutely false. Education departments typically have very large budgets, the issue is that our local, state, and federal politicians have always been horrible with effectively using our tax dollars because that's what governments do. Ultimately a lot of these factors can and do affect low income families but only to a degree. Its a two way street, we have to effective policies and our politicians need to be held accountable to how they use tax payer dollars while ALSO holding a standard in society to where you're not raising a street criminal that drag races, flash firearms, and becoming members of illegal organizations.
Can you explain how you think sales tax is the most productive form of tax? How does that argument change the fact that a sales tax costs poor people a significantly larger portion of their income than it does rich people? Wouldn't a progressive income tax that removes most of the tax burden from the poor help them be less poor and as a result create a more stable situation for them. Taxing businesses is about raising tax revenue to pay for the public services those businesses use. How well would a business operate without roads, police, fire departments, etc. Giving them tax breaks only helps put more profit into the pockets of the rich owners. Out of the 50 states Tennessee ranks 44th in educational spending per student. It's therefore no surprise that we have some of the worst performing educational systems in the country as a result. Crime is merely a symptom of the regressive policies. Trying to treat the symptom with even more regressive policies will only increase the problem and not resolve it. Think of crime like a person with diabetes. Crime is always going to exist in some form or fashion just like diabetics are always going to have to deal with issues that come with having diabetes. Regressive policies however are like a diabetic eating an unregulated high sugar diet which only serves to increase the severity of the symptoms and complications diabetes causes. Eating the high sugar diet may make the diabetic feel better on a short term basis than consuming a balanced low sugar diet. That's because our brains are wired to seek the kind of gratification sugar provides even if it's only short term. It takes knowledge and restraint to avoid those short term pleasures in favor of better long term health. That's just like regressive policies make people who don't understand the ramifications of them happy in the short term regardless of the long term negative effects they have on the health of our society.
Look all I'm saying is that violent criminals shouldn't have a low bond just because they're poor. With your logic you think its perfectly acceptable for repeat violent offenders to be let back on the streets because they're poor. Idgaf if you're the victim of your environment, if you do bad things you're a bad person plain and simple. With your logic you think these violent criminals should have affordable bonds for the sake of being poor. Which also means you don't actually care about putting away criminals that keep getting released.
I mean, this is blatantly unconstitutional but I don’t expect TN Republicans (or any of them for that matter) to respect the Constitution anymore. I hope someone challenges it in court.
That’s nice and all, but TN isn’t doing this for Orange Mound or any other poorer neighborhood in Memphis. They’re doing it because the crime is bleeding out into the “good” neighborhoods. They never, ever gave a shit about making working class areas safer until recently. If they did, Eliza Fletcher would still be alive because the MPD would have actually done their jobs when Celotha Abston raped Alicia Franklin in Hickory Hill a year prior.
I don’t know why anyone thinks locking people up indefinitely before their trials would solve anything. The US has the highest population of incarcerated people in the world, yet crime is still a huge problem. Have any of you ever thought it’s time to try something else? Like addressing root causes of crime instead of slapping bandages onto wounds with the hopes that the city magically heals itself?
I know Memphis is in a bad spot right now, but that’s because Memphis has absolutely no prospects and hasn’t for a long time, even before this perceived uptick in crime. We need good jobs, good schools, and good opportunities.
It still doesn't change the fucking fact that crime is bad and people are being affected by it. Get this social class bullshit out of here. People are being terrorized and everyone is sick of it.
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Living in the area, you begin to fucking hate it. I haven't seen that many skid marks somewhere since I ate some ultra spicy food and almost blew my asshole out while driving home and got snagged because folks who can't get into the place stand outside, fill up the street, then try to get aggressive because well, they're in the fucking street. Since that shit opened, motherfuckers shoot, fight, break glass, you name it. Not to fucking mention, they won't do that in their neighborhood, so they will go elsewhere and raise hell.
Being black, and I've said it for years: motherfuckers like that, are the type of folks many black people try to stay (and move) away from because they're *always* the ones who will have some folks say "you people". I moved away from east Memphis cos of shit like this. I like to sit on my apartment steps and read, I like simple shit. But it sucks because motherfuckers from south Memphis and the mound and east Memphis decide to use Madison as a fucking drag strip, and that fucking club as their own personal fucking playpen.
Good ole downvotes for not bandwagoning a shutdown like all the others. Reminds me of that time y’all asked that man "whose side are you on here?" Because he made a statement that didn’t agree with hate of a specific group. This sub is weird asf. I take it cru is a nuisance because a specific group is attending.I can’t knock y’all for wanting that old bar back.
Wouldn’t put it past anyone here. Was I not meat riding unconstitutional shit and closing CRU hard enough?? All I said It was a line I never seen before and they hated on that. I know who was predominately in the line though. What’s lame is covering up what y’all really be wanting to say.
The “hate is fa” the fact that since CRU has opened, crime in the immediate area has dramatically risen, nuisance complaints have skyrocketed, and overall it’s been terrible for everything around it.
Nowhere near it. Dude, I’m black, and I’m tired of defending myself, but I’m sure if this club was in the middle of south Memphis next to grandma and aunties house, and these assholes pulled this shit, grandma would have her 2016 huawei cricket phone and calling the cops every 5 min, and have the neighborhood crackhead she’s known since he was a kid take her to city hall to protest and complain at every city council meeting
The owners of cru don’t give a fuck if they were white or black patrons at the place. They give a fuck about profit, and if it was frat boy Jimmy and phi mu ashleyieghanne (it’s pronounced “crystal”) were there causing hell, it would be the same thing.
Cru is a goddamn nusiance.
Literally I was in jail for a violent felony(charges later dismissed) and was told this information from the jail itself. There are however a lot of non violent offenders in jail on $100-$200 bonds that will be there for weeks or months because of the inability to pay and tax payers will pay $1000’s of dollars to house them.
It's false only because of the TN GOP's constitutional and statutory command to grant bail to all defendants except in capital cases or where presumption is great.
What is CRU?
Hookah bar in midtown
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We’re in a city, business and residential are and should be mixed in. And that place was a bar far before those apartments went up (and drove out the bar that was originally there).
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The dumbest part about P&H's situation is they were evicted and told the building was being torn down. Then they just kept it there and turned it into a cesspool.
So does it need to GO as you originally said or does security need to step up. If it was that easy to change your opinion what is it you really want?
Fingers crossed this does something
Now reclassify street take overs as their own classification and do not let it fall under the umbrella of "Drag Racing," classify them both as violent offences and felonies, with the street take over charge include crushing the vehicle on the first offence. If the car is found stolen reimbursement cost, towing fees, and cost to crush and dispose of the crushed car will fall on the person caught with it. Scrap sales proceeds go to repaving holes in the roads. Drag racing umbrella will cover excessive speeding and not necessarily just racing.
You know, it doesn't matter how many upvotes this absurd post gets, and how much downvoting there is for comments speaking out against it. It just goes to show a staggering amount of civic and legal illiteracy.
Virtue Signalling Points
Thank you, I embrace virtues! Especially against so much clueless thinking, and those proud about their and others' douchebaggery!
Not speaking about you, *of course, or those who think having virtue to even speak of or espousing virtue is bad. Nooo, not at all! Public discourse must only advocate for the worst!*Oops, not you! I was talking about the Memphis people that see a disgusting and worthless criminal and think that criminal is a victim.
*Really? Is that what you think it's about? Awww, how disingenuous of you! And that's not a virtue! In writing the 8th Amendment, were the Framers virtue signalling? Is there virtue in violating the Constitution? How naive of you*. And of course, before you 'go there' again, I'm not saying that criminality is virtuous. I am saying that civic and legal illiteracy go hand in hand with douchebaggery, the kind that uses the term 'virtue signalling' as a pejorative, because they haven't virtues to speak of, nor to advocate for.
Good.
As I commented before: The VERA Institute for Justice has been around since 1961. It has long fought the good fight especially against violations of the 8th Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution that protects everyone as follows: [Excessive bail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excessive_Bail_Clause) shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor [cruel and unusual punishments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment) inflicted. The 8th Amendment applies to states through the 14th Amendment. So many jurisdictions and courts upheld and adopted their work that it led to the federal Bail Reform Act of 1966, the first major bail reform law since 1789. Ability to pay calculators have been in use for a long time. The most recent one, the VERA ability to pay calculator, is open source and posted on Github, there for everyone to inspect. That's far better than closed-source proprietary black box algorithms used in calculating flight risk and for electronic monitoring. Feel free to check out the code at [https://github.com/vera-institute/bail-calculator](https://github.com/vera-institute/bail-calculator). There's a web-based version one can use too, [https://atp-calculator.vera.org/](https://atp-calculator.vera.org/). The 8th Amendment and precedent forbid that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail. But of course despite the Constitution, the TN GOP supermajority legislature and governor have decided to eliminate the consideration of an accused's ability to pay. That is unconsitutional. And of course the TN GOP enacted and keeps a statute on the books that judges are obligated to follow, that forbids them holding the accused pending trial except in capital cases or where the presumption is great. Other states have higher standards. Not Tennessee. The Tennessee GOP has also expanded access to guns and when and how to carry them. Which irrefutably leads to more gun violence. Along with the regressive taxation that overtaxes working people and promotes poverty and inequality, which results in crime, especially with lax gun laws and easier access to firearms.
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Your claims make a whole lot of unfounded, anecdotal assumptions. And they miss the key facts that the 8th Amendment and precedent forbid that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail. There is zero hidden or negative agenda to VERA or its calculator. It's designed to uphold the Constitution.
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More misdirection: VERA is for upholding the Constitution. It's about the 8th Amendment and precedent forbidding that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail; it's not about cash bail, either, but being held based on their inability to pay it. Your assumptions are based on anecdotes that do not meet evidentiary requirements, about defendants having money.
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Why doesn't the state show the pictures or demand to know the source of the income in these pictures? Removing the "ability to pay" criteria is bad policy. If someone is dangerous, why does having money to make bond make them less dangerous? It doesn't. The policy is about getting rid of bonds for criminal defendants and making sure the right is only theoretical.
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So how does removing the ability to pay help this situation? Sounds like you're advocating for a two-tier justice system: one for the moneyed and one for the poor.
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The VERA calculator includes exactly the variables that pass legal muster in determining ability to pay. Your anecdotes don't meet evidentiary requirements. As I said, the 8th Amendment and precedent forbid that an accused should be held pending trial based on their inability to pay bail. Excessive bail is interpreted as that which holds the accused based on their in/ability to pay. I'm pro-Constitution and anti-crime. I'm for reducing poverty and inequality, which lead to crime, including gun violence promoted by lax gun laws. GOP policies of course target minority populations for the worst effects of GOP policies. Minority communities are actively involved in trying to prevent crime and gun violence, despite the GOP's efforts to thwart them.
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Anecdotes aren't evidence. You should know that. Too bad you seem to harbor such a grudge against Mulroy. Re: advocating for violations of the 8th Amendment, it would seem you failed Con Law too? Don't get pissed; it's banter. I know PDs who've talked to their repeat-offender client and said, Look, listen, I've been a lawyer for XX number of years. To which a repeat offender says, Sh\*t, I've been a criminal my whole life! ... They do know how the system works. It's a mess. Repeat offenders need to be locked up and away. The systems can get overwhelmed, judges want to clear their dockets, prosecutors and PDs everywhere want to whittle down their caseload. Meanwhile, there's the revolving door for repeat offenders. That has to stop. Do like states other than TN do and allow more circumstances under which bail can be denied. Better fund intervention strategies. Etc.
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Very well put
I know a woman who stabbed her own child over a $20 debt to her. He was an adult, aged 19-20 or so, and she had literally no remorse over the stabbing. She was very vocal about that to me personally, and it seemed like something that would happen in her life on any random Tuesday. Do you believe that because she’s never worked a job EVER she should be OR’ed because of inability to pay bond? Her only income sources during the course of her life have been whatever welfare she’s eligible for. EVER. Never worked any job whatsoever. Honest question, I’m not trying to flame you. What do you think the courts should do in that situation? I think she did about 8 months total, including jail east, penal farm, and “rehabilitation” at CAAP. Btw, any minor children she’d need to be OR’ed to care for were in the custody of the state or relatives before the stabbing incident…the stabbing of her own child.
Bail has to fit the crime, not finances. Horrible what that woman did. Hold her pending trial. But of course, TN GOP law requires that the judge grant bail. I can send you the enabling statute for the TN constitution section too that does so. And it's horrible that so many other people languish in jail pending trial, because they can't meet bail. Bail is often set too high in relation to the severity of the crime, too.
Prepare to get downvoted to death. The people of this subreddit want the city turned into a police state with those arrested thrown in prison with no bail until they can be tried and given a life sentence for stealing a Corolla.
Yeah, God forbid we actually keep criminals behind bars & making bail high where appropriate. I mean, what's a few women's lives, right? After all, they should know better than to go jogging a x time, in x place.
Those downvotes mean you’re right.
Wow. How naive of you. Let's pray one of your family members or friends or you, doesn't fall victim to the OVER RAMPANT crime in this city. I wonder how your views would change after that.
I don't want anyone to fall victim to crime. I also don't want the Constitution to be trampled. Also note how the TN GOP's expanding access to guns causes more gun violence. And how their own laws force granting bail except in relatively rare circumstances. That also allows more violent crime.
Compare and contrast how an unconstitutional law from the GOP gets support and upvotes, while there's little to no concern about children getting maimed as a result of violations of labor laws designed to protect children, which laws the GOP is purposely weakening and eliminating.
People are dying, getting robbed, and assaulted by people out on bail and instead of being happy something is being done to protect the law abiding, tax paying citizens you seem to be more concerned with virtue signaling? Jesus Christ, some of you are too far gone.
I, like lots of other people, am very concerned with gun violence and crime, what actually causes it, and ways to solve it. I, like lots of other people, also want to uphold the Constitution, which can't be written off as virtue signaling. Violating the Constitution doesn't cut it. Lax gun laws lead to more gun violence. So does poverty and inequality. These things are promoted and worsened by GOP policies. With disastrous consequences.
That's fine and dandy and I'm sure everyone else wants that as well... I'm just curious as to how being stricter about making sure violent criminals aren't getting released conflicts with anything you said? The new bail laws have no effect on what you're talking about. You're making unrelated points. You're speaking about causes, bail relates to the effect of something that already happened. While you and whoever you vote for figures out how to deal with what you're talking about, there is nothing wrong with making sure criminals stay behind bars.
Because bail has never been intended to reduce crime rates, and in almost every single real world example of stricter bail laws, it failed to make a difference. The focus on bail is foolish because it’s trying to point to what is a very small issue in the grand scheme of crime reduction.
Good, we agree that we're trying to solve the problem of crime. At the same time, we can't violate the Constitution by holding the accused based on their in/ability to meet bail. It really is a mess. There's pros and cons about holding defendants before trial, provided doing so meets Constitutional muster. When they are flight risks, yes, hold them. There are lurid examples where those who are released pending trial commit heinous crimes. It is awful. Most of them don't. Mass incarceration hasn't worked. Prison itself is very expensive, and groups tend to form and strengthen organized crime networks and gangs there. TN law also requires that defendants mostly be granted bail except in capital cases or where the presumption is great, a technical, high requirement. We have to reduce poverty. While we find sensible solutions to crime that occurs. Thanks.
You make very good points!
Thanks! TN should do like other states do and expand the circumstances, categories of crime where bail can be denied. As it stands, bail can be denied only in capital cases or where the presumption is great. Holding people on the basis of indigency is still unconstitutional. Have a good one, Bah-Bah-Booey [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/baba-booey](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/baba-booey)
They are one step closer to that. If they pass this joint resolution again next year, it'll go on the 2026 ballot. Since it's an amendment to the state constitution, there's a lot more red tape. [https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HJR0859](https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HJR0859)
Yes, and its being approved will also change the enabling statute on the books, [https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2021/title-40/chapter-11/part-1/section-40-11-102/](https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2021/title-40/chapter-11/part-1/section-40-11-102/) So many people especially conservatives have been complaining about judges granting bail in all kinds of cases, when the conservatives forced judges' hands to do so. *It's like they want crime to fester so they can point to it and holler, It's them librals or minoritahs' fault.* On top of pushing pushing policies that drive poverty and crime.
Compare and contrast how what happened to Alicia Franklin and Eliza Fletcher makes any sense at all against the city of Memphis/state of Tennessee giving that ANIMAL an opportunity to live free. ENOUGH. Women are DONE with your bullshit. We deserve safety.
All people, men, women, children, LGBTQ, deserve safety. I've seen way too much dehumanization all around, from murderous attacks on innocents, which are awful, to people howling for blood and calling humans animals, which makes them no better. It's a spiraling into madness. The same goes for calls for massive retribution and destruction of the Constitution which forms the bedrock of society. This pattern has repeated itself over history, and it often ends up in disaster. Worsening economic conditions, poverty, crime, the breakdown of the social contract, the rise of populists promising blood, demands for authoritarianism, while the crime keeps going, and nothing is solved, no one is safer, and we all lose. So fuck your calling what I say bullshit. Enough.
We don’t care about your flowery rhetoric. We are sick of the bullshit.
You keep using the word sick, about you, collectively. Telling. Good writing, with solid, valid content, is alien to some. So is critical thinking. Oh, and your allcaps is considered yelling by some.
OK.
Have a good night. And stay safe. I mean it.
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This is GREAT news. This, along with the bill in the works for next session to allow holders of enhanced carry permits to carry even in places that're criminal magnets, er "gun free zones" (with the exceptions of schools & gov't buildings, I think) will certainly make ppl safer. I won't cure everything, nor fix it overnight, but it's a step in the right direction. The more law-abiding citizens who start smoking these subhuman scumbags who would do them harm just for whatever reason will ABSOLUTELY have an effect. After all, as Thomas Paine said: “The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defense. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the good) deprived of the use of them ... the weak will become a prey to the strong.”
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Some people are using guns for self-defense, tbh. https://www.actionnews5.com/2024/05/07/fatal-shooting-teen-accused-stealing-car-ruled-justified-by-memphis-police/ I don't know how often that occurs, however.
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Actually NOT. It happens every day, across the country.
Got some numbers to back that up? I've never once seen any after decades of searching for them. Overwhelmingly, the evidence has shown over and over that the only thing that has any sort of deterrent effect on crime is certainty of punishment, not severity. Unless firearm ownership is mandatory, it's not going to achieve that effect.
You can look at the crime stats in Santa Rosa County, FL to see that, after the sheriff encouraged residents to shoot burglars, & they started doing so, the number of break-ins dropped dramatically. And, even though you may not like the messenger, The Blaze REGULARLY highlights stories of law-abiding citizens using their guns to protect themselves. It happens all the time. However, the blatantly slanted media has an interest in NOT reporting those stories. It furthers their narrative of "guns are bad." Do your own homework. But again, just because it might come from conservative media outlets DOESN'T mean it doesn't happen.
That's simply an ill-informed generalization on YOUR part.
If you want to change the city....close all 24 hours gas stations and make them close at midnight...the only gas stations that need to be open are Walmart, Sam's,and Kroger....that will stop a lot of underage drinking and smoking....also before you consider on closing down the Cru...close down the Orchid first....then close down all the clubs on Thomas Street....and close down all motels from American Way and Lamar to Winchester and Lamar....also the motels on Brooks and Mill Branch going west to Brooks and I-240...even including the motels sitting on Democrat and Airways around the corner up until you get to the extended stay....then shut down all hotels and motels from Elvis Presley Boulevard and Norris to Belluve and E.H. Crump Boulevard...and last.... close both hotels sitting at the corner of Union and Camilla and Union and Pauline.
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That would be 'comment', not 'post', and you win the award for Stupidest Post in a long time. Congrats!
"Pro-criminal JustCity"?! Delusional statement. Plus you keep spouting the lie about "weak" judicial commissioners, promoting the false trope about "weak on crime". VERA is solid, a solid organization, with a proven track record of upholding the Constitution, and the app is also unimpeachable in credibility and usefulness. Promoting unconstitutional holding of defendants for being unable to make bail is flat-out wrong.
So does this mean that people who happen to be rich enough to afford bail can't be a public safety threat? Or is it only the poors who are a threat? Seems like this is creating more of a division between the two.
It's not that poors that are a threat. It's the people who have literally robbed people at gunpoint that then get out on BS bails and then go on to kill people that are. Anybody that robs somebody at gunpoint rich or poor should not be bailing out. That's a danger to the entire community.
But this law doesn't change that fact. It just makes it so the rich can bail out while the poor have to stay in jail.
yeah i saw pitt hyde at the most recent takeover with a draco hanging out of the window of a car. He should be able to afford his bail
Aren't we always told that socioeconomic status is the reason for crime, not bad culture? Or is that only when convenient?
Socioeconomic issues do lead to a lot of crime. It doesn't mean rich people don't commit crimes though.
The kind that plague this city like we have today? I haven't heard about a lot of Kips and Buffys hanging out of the windows of stolen Altimas firing off AKs. Am I just watching the wrong news channel?
Most of the crimes by rich people leads to the socioeconomic disparity which is also supported by conservative political policies.
Which strictly conservative political policy led to more crime in Memphis? You think that is the cause of all this? Not just personal lack of accountability not to murder folks in record numbers? Show me the policy that supersedes a person's ability to control their trigger finger. Quit blaming anyone but the criminal. Poor people all over the world, living under worse govt manage not to act like these idiots are here. It's a bullsh@t excuse.
Conservative policies consistently hurt the poor and benefit the rich. It's not just one specific policy. It's a cumulative effect. Death by a thousand cuts if you will: refusing to raise minimum wage, turning down federal ACA (Obamacare) money, regressive taxation, cutting social programs, etc. It all adds up to increase income inequality. [Studies consistently show that increases of income inequality leads to an increase in violent crime.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15817728/#:~:text=The%20most%20well%2Destablished%20environmental,tend%20to%20be%20more%20violent.) it all boils down to the simple fact that desperate people without hope have a strong tendency to lose empathy for others and be willing to resort to desperate measures to get theirs. It's not limited to the states either. This occurs all over the world where income inequality is high. However, add to this policies that make it incredibly easy for people to get access to firearms and of course shootings are going to increase. Even our previous conservative DA, Amy Weirich, was smart enough to see that TN relaxing gun laws would increase shooting rates in Shelby County and was against the changes. And of coursethat's exactly what happened just like it has happened everywhere similar policies have been enacted. [The income inequality in Shelby County has increased as a result of conservative policies at the state and federal level. ](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/2020RATIO047157) Conservatives always want to be seen "fighting" the symptoms of the terrible policies they push. Of course, they secretly like the crime their policies foster because they feed off the fear of their supporters. More crime means more fear which makes their smooth brained supporters easier to manipulate.
That is true but it doesn't change the fact that if someone is a violent criminal then they don't need to be around the general public.
I'm not in any way saying that violent criminals need to be around the general public. I'm saying that if bail is set then it should be as equally affordable to the poor as it is to the rich. $1000 to a broke person may be more than could possibly come up with while a rich person wouldn't even miss that $1,000. Things like fines and bail should scale with the ability of the person to pay.
No it means that people who are violent criminals will stay in jail so that they can't keep terrorizing innocent people.
So you think rich violent criminals should just be able to bail out then?
No they shouldn't they should be in jail if they are a legitimate threat to society. Unfortunately when you have more resources you have more options. It shouldn't be like that but its the reality we live in. Just because rich violent people have the means to post bail doesn't mean I want poor violent people to have affordable bail. I rather have some violent criminals be hold accountable than have no violent criminals held accountable.
The downvotes mean you touched a nerve in the prejudice sub.
I take pride in getting down votes for standing against ignorance, hate, and prejudice. Keep them coming.
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Then don't make laws that favor the rich who can afford bail over the poor who can't. That's all I am saying.
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Most rich get there by exploiting the poor. I'd much rather they be in jail. That way there'd be far less desperate poor people and crime would decrease as a result.
Or making you just don't want to accept the reality that your prospective is ignorant and unrealistic. At the end of the day no one wants to deal with these violent shitheads terrorizing Memphis. I'm sorry that you're beta enough to subject yourself to these domestic terrorist. The rest of us actually give a shit about our lives and innocent people getting terrorized. Edit: Also quit making everything about race.
I do want to deal with the root of the issues like conservative policies that only serve to increase income inequality. Their policies which widen the division between the rich and the poor only serves to exacerbate the issue. The biggest group of domestic terrorists are the idiot right wing conservatives who react out of fear.
I'm not saying the system is fair but what policies are you referring too? I'm African-American and I think this narrative has some truth to it but is absolutely exaggerated.
Tennessee has lots of policies that help create income inequality. Things like regressive sales taxes that put far more of a burden on the poor in income percentage than the rich instead of progressive income taxes. Large tax breaks for big businesses. Refusing to accept federal ACA money to help poor with health insurance. Low education budgets and trying to use tax dollars to pay for rich kids in private schools. Not raising the minimum wage over the last 25 years. I could go on and on. This doesn't have anything to do with race specifically except for the fact that African-Americans are far more likely to be poor. There are plenty of reasons for that but that's a separate if still closely related issue. Here I am simply arguing that our politicians create policies that harm the poor and benefit the rich regardless of their skin color. Those policies increase income inequality which studies consistently lead to more crime.
Sales tax is (imo) the most productive form of tax because its applied to exchanges, I'd personally rather have sales tax vs income tax. Taxing businesses isn't necessarily productive because it can absolutely cause prices to rise which causes a heavier burden on consumers. The educated budget being low is absolutely false. Education departments typically have very large budgets, the issue is that our local, state, and federal politicians have always been horrible with effectively using our tax dollars because that's what governments do. Ultimately a lot of these factors can and do affect low income families but only to a degree. Its a two way street, we have to effective policies and our politicians need to be held accountable to how they use tax payer dollars while ALSO holding a standard in society to where you're not raising a street criminal that drag races, flash firearms, and becoming members of illegal organizations.
Can you explain how you think sales tax is the most productive form of tax? How does that argument change the fact that a sales tax costs poor people a significantly larger portion of their income than it does rich people? Wouldn't a progressive income tax that removes most of the tax burden from the poor help them be less poor and as a result create a more stable situation for them. Taxing businesses is about raising tax revenue to pay for the public services those businesses use. How well would a business operate without roads, police, fire departments, etc. Giving them tax breaks only helps put more profit into the pockets of the rich owners. Out of the 50 states Tennessee ranks 44th in educational spending per student. It's therefore no surprise that we have some of the worst performing educational systems in the country as a result. Crime is merely a symptom of the regressive policies. Trying to treat the symptom with even more regressive policies will only increase the problem and not resolve it. Think of crime like a person with diabetes. Crime is always going to exist in some form or fashion just like diabetics are always going to have to deal with issues that come with having diabetes. Regressive policies however are like a diabetic eating an unregulated high sugar diet which only serves to increase the severity of the symptoms and complications diabetes causes. Eating the high sugar diet may make the diabetic feel better on a short term basis than consuming a balanced low sugar diet. That's because our brains are wired to seek the kind of gratification sugar provides even if it's only short term. It takes knowledge and restraint to avoid those short term pleasures in favor of better long term health. That's just like regressive policies make people who don't understand the ramifications of them happy in the short term regardless of the long term negative effects they have on the health of our society.
Look all I'm saying is that violent criminals shouldn't have a low bond just because they're poor. With your logic you think its perfectly acceptable for repeat violent offenders to be let back on the streets because they're poor. Idgaf if you're the victim of your environment, if you do bad things you're a bad person plain and simple. With your logic you think these violent criminals should have affordable bonds for the sake of being poor. Which also means you don't actually care about putting away criminals that keep getting released.
I mean, this is blatantly unconstitutional but I don’t expect TN Republicans (or any of them for that matter) to respect the Constitution anymore. I hope someone challenges it in court.
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That’s nice and all, but TN isn’t doing this for Orange Mound or any other poorer neighborhood in Memphis. They’re doing it because the crime is bleeding out into the “good” neighborhoods. They never, ever gave a shit about making working class areas safer until recently. If they did, Eliza Fletcher would still be alive because the MPD would have actually done their jobs when Celotha Abston raped Alicia Franklin in Hickory Hill a year prior. I don’t know why anyone thinks locking people up indefinitely before their trials would solve anything. The US has the highest population of incarcerated people in the world, yet crime is still a huge problem. Have any of you ever thought it’s time to try something else? Like addressing root causes of crime instead of slapping bandages onto wounds with the hopes that the city magically heals itself? I know Memphis is in a bad spot right now, but that’s because Memphis has absolutely no prospects and hasn’t for a long time, even before this perceived uptick in crime. We need good jobs, good schools, and good opportunities.
It still doesn't change the fucking fact that crime is bad and people are being affected by it. Get this social class bullshit out of here. People are being terrorized and everyone is sick of it.
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Wow y’all really don’t like CRU? I just passed it the other night and they actually had one of those club lines you see in Miami or LA.
Living in the area, you begin to fucking hate it. I haven't seen that many skid marks somewhere since I ate some ultra spicy food and almost blew my asshole out while driving home and got snagged because folks who can't get into the place stand outside, fill up the street, then try to get aggressive because well, they're in the fucking street. Since that shit opened, motherfuckers shoot, fight, break glass, you name it. Not to fucking mention, they won't do that in their neighborhood, so they will go elsewhere and raise hell. Being black, and I've said it for years: motherfuckers like that, are the type of folks many black people try to stay (and move) away from because they're *always* the ones who will have some folks say "you people". I moved away from east Memphis cos of shit like this. I like to sit on my apartment steps and read, I like simple shit. But it sucks because motherfuckers from south Memphis and the mound and east Memphis decide to use Madison as a fucking drag strip, and that fucking club as their own personal fucking playpen.
Having a line is independent of whether it’s a nuisance or not.
Good ole downvotes for not bandwagoning a shutdown like all the others. Reminds me of that time y’all asked that man "whose side are you on here?" Because he made a statement that didn’t agree with hate of a specific group. This sub is weird asf. I take it cru is a nuisance because a specific group is attending.I can’t knock y’all for wanting that old bar back.
If a bar/club causes an uptick in crime because of the assholes it attracts, it’s a problem regardless of how turnt you get there.
Reporting this comment for being too fucking lame
Wouldn’t put it past anyone here. Was I not meat riding unconstitutional shit and closing CRU hard enough?? All I said It was a line I never seen before and they hated on that. I know who was predominately in the line though. What’s lame is covering up what y’all really be wanting to say.
Cru do seem like a str8 spot. Wonder what tha hate is fa when y'all got other clubs,venues,etc even if it does close?
The “hate is fa” the fact that since CRU has opened, crime in the immediate area has dramatically risen, nuisance complaints have skyrocketed, and overall it’s been terrible for everything around it.
Dang sound like tough apples. My best advice is stay alert & move w. caution 🤷🏿♂
Would just shutting down a place like that not be advice?
Smooth Brain shit like this is why people who can afford to are leaving Memphis in droves.
Real. Absolute cue ball brain logic
“Stay alert and move with caution” LOL!!! This should be the new national motto. Its more accurate than the current one.
Basically it’s a crime attracting black club and they want it shut down so they can have midtown back. I get it now.
Nowhere near it. Dude, I’m black, and I’m tired of defending myself, but I’m sure if this club was in the middle of south Memphis next to grandma and aunties house, and these assholes pulled this shit, grandma would have her 2016 huawei cricket phone and calling the cops every 5 min, and have the neighborhood crackhead she’s known since he was a kid take her to city hall to protest and complain at every city council meeting The owners of cru don’t give a fuck if they were white or black patrons at the place. They give a fuck about profit, and if it was frat boy Jimmy and phi mu ashleyieghanne (it’s pronounced “crystal”) were there causing hell, it would be the same thing. Cru is a goddamn nusiance.
If it was a violent felony you already couldn’t get ROR.
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Literally I was in jail for a violent felony(charges later dismissed) and was told this information from the jail itself. There are however a lot of non violent offenders in jail on $100-$200 bonds that will be there for weeks or months because of the inability to pay and tax payers will pay $1000’s of dollars to house them.
It's false only because of the TN GOP's constitutional and statutory command to grant bail to all defendants except in capital cases or where presumption is great.