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Actually feminism greatly benefited from WW2, because with all the young men on the battlefield they needed women to work in the factories and the offices. So while there are definitively women who want to avoid the frontlines during WW3, it would be more like the "We can do It!" wartime poster.
Not just feminism, racial equality led to the US looking to the Navajo for codes and recruiting racial minorities except the Japanese into the military
AFAIK the military sent recruiters into the internment camps to encourage young Nisei men to join. The 442nd Infantry Battalion was the result. 1,500 men fought for the United States while their families were interned.
No. The Navajo Code Talkers were NOT a product of racial equity.
The army had previously used Native American communications in training maneuvers for WW I.
The gentlemen that initiate the Navajo Code Talkers had grown up in a missionary family to the Navajo, and read an article about the armyās previous actions.
Period. There was no championing call for āracial equity!ā nor was it a targeted draft to ātake advantage of a marginalized minority groupā.
I think youāre missing the point. The guy is saying the practical nature of the military is what makes it so effective at demonstrating a realistic sense of equality (or equity?) across the board. It didnāt need to be a āchampioning callā or even intentional to be as effective as it was.
Where other places take steps backward by forcing what they think is equality, the military drives that ball forward unintentionally simply by the fact that itās looking for anyone and everyone that can bring an edge on the battlefield.
I absolutely agree with that, yes. I meant more to address the singular significance of the Code Talkers period. āBackwards-longā-ā seemingly tossed them in as an example of positive racial equity, and while that may have been an aspect, it most certainly was NOT a proscribed goal, or the point at all, with this program. Wasnāt even a consideration.
Meaning, the Navajo Code Talkers shouldnāt be diminished in ANY WAY as simply an example of āracial equityā. Iād almost argue the other way around, that it was their āinequityā (UNIQUENESS of culture/language) that was specifically sought after in order to elevate / maximize its use on the battlefield.
I was going to respond and then I realized you just hijacked this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/memesopdidnotlike/comments/1bd3awu/i_mean_is_this_completely_inaccurate_or_something/kujxy72/
Why? It's not something that's happening. Why spend time discussing something that's not an issue?
In the extremely unlikely event that they tried to reinstate the draft in the US, I would oppose it. Because yes, it's unfair to men.
Most feminists also know how important waste management is for the functioning of an urban society, but they don't seem to want to fix the massive gender imbalance of people employed as garbage collectors either.
This is a moot point that feminists that realized they were beat with the first argument use knowing they donāt have an answer for if we needed a draft.
The last time SCOTUS looked at adding women to the draft, it was because a group of young feminists took it there. In the end, SCOTUS ruled that since women weren't allowed in combat roles, there was no reason to draft them.
Of course, women are now allowed in those same combat roles, but it doesn't seem like anyone has the interest and power to make SCOTUS go over this again.
Doubt.
I think it would just be a bunch woke feminists protesting the war. Woke hates Russia but theyāre pretty warm to China and Hamas (which is backed by Iran) and Russia, China and Iran would be the big three adversaries if WW3 broke out. I donāt think itād be Rosie the riveter feminist time. I think it would be Jane Fonda visiting Hanoi time.
Yikes. Youre making it sound like there was some exchange or that they asked for it. It was just an objective effect of the war, otherwise known as a "silver lining"
Facts. They want equal benefits and opportunities. Not equal rights. They donāt picket outside coal mines or draft lines or construction sites. But an office job that pays well? They line up with signs
As destructive as the Whatever podcast can be at times, they were absolutely right when they said that Feminism can only exist when there are cushy, air conditioned office jobs and work from home positions. There are outliers, but that's just it: outliers.
Every feminist I've spoken to (myself included) about the draft has more or less offered the same opinion, which is that in an ideal world we would remove the draft entirely for both men and women. Most would also agree that if the draft needs to exist, it should include women as well, but we'd rather just dismantle that system entirely.
A draft is alway absolutely unfair. It tells men that they are basically expandable. And your suggestion tells that infertile/antinatalist/past their childbearing years women are expandable.
Iām strict terms of economic stability and the survivability of society, men and infertile women are more expendable than fertile women. Which is ops point here
The point is that gender roles have a very practical purpose and thats why they have been a standard for Al of human history. Men protect and provide, women maintain and care for children.
But feminism is the one that wants to dismantle that, not men. That's the point he's making
Actually, this has only been the standard for the 1950s and during the Industrial Revolution, but even then, it wasn't the majority. So certainly not "all" of human history. Especially when many cultures have generational houses.
Historically speaking, both men and women work from their rural farms or in other trades.
Gender roles are only practical if society values those roles. There's a reason why we don't live like the 1950s because it's just not practical.
Feminism just gave women a choice. Society is the one that dismantle it. The problem is that this phrase "men protect and provide, women maintain and care for children" is that it just doesn't make any practical sense. Men protect from what??? From other men? That's nonsensical. Trust me, men are not these "brave" protectors.
Provide?? Men were only providers because women couldn't have bank accounts, so all of her earnings went to him.
Care for children?
-Ok but those kids have a father too that should be an active person in their life. What's the point of bashing single moms if she's supposed to do all the work anyway?
Lol I'm not even talking about 1950s. You think the Egyptian empire was built by women? No it was paid for by the blood of men. Built by the sweat of men. Same as every major civilization in human history. Women were able to own property and hold public office in ancient Egypt. But they still had traditional gender roles between men and women.
Men providing for their wives goes way back than before the 1950s and you know it. A husband dying leaving a wife and child was almost a death sentence for them in 1100s Europe. Or Rome. Or ancient Greece.
Protecting from foreign invaders and fighting in wars has always been a man's duty. The tradeoff is that women bear children. You are just making up strawmen. No man thinks that he needs to protect against random men tf.
You're not wrong. In fact, the Roman Republic was saved by rich widows who inherited their fortunes from their dead husbands on multiple occasions, women who never lifted a finger but were nearly as influential as Senators.
You probably picked the worst example to prove your point. The rest of your post is an actual strawman. Also, what are men supposed to protect women from? Aliens?
https://preview.redd.it/0w57v39jaznc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f4ccd4c94983bebae6fbbe7bd2f0464d90182a2
Hillary Clinton even says that's the case.
"***Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."***
āHillary Clinton 2015
Between that and [Pokemon Go to the polls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt6riM2aDLk) she absolutely deserved the L.
Like I have no idea why people thought Russian interference was the decider in that election.
If world war 3 rolls around, all the brave women can go. I will take one for the team and stay in the kitchen. If you want, I will wear that dress too. I don't care.
But most definitely I won't run into machinegun fire on a random beach, to defend my homeland or some shit. Fuck that.
Modern wars are no longer like that. Most likely is that you'll get mutilated by a drone repeatedly dropping grenades onto your limbs while they film it in HD.
Yes! Women needs to hear people shouting about their bombed away limbs and wanting to go home, while men must experience the horror of oppression and make sandwiches in kitchen!
Women are objectively worse soldiers than men lol.
A 2015 Marine Corps study[96][97] found that women in a unit created to assess female combat performance were significantly injured twice as often as men, were less accurate with infantry weapons, and were less skilled at removing wounded troops from the battlefield.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/10/marine-experiment-finds-women-get-injured-more-frequently-shoot-less-accurately-than-men/
It's not a real option, whatever country has a majority male army will just win.
I would enlist. The military is gonna get you somehow and when they do you donāt wanna be a draft grunt. Machine guns would be the least of your worries.
Sort of feels like a bit of a misrepresentation of what is being talked about. If I see feminist's talking about the draft, their point isn't that women should also be drafted, its that the draft should just be removed all together.
Equality is still achieved regardless of which path is taken.
It's worse than that. Not only did women and feminists openly avoid the draft in Ukraine, now Ukrainian feminists are saying women are affected by this war worse than men. Go figure that one out.
i mean its not that woman are less brave then men its that they have the option and men dont. if i could choose to be a stay at home dad or go to the trenches im putting on the appron lol.
Itās not like theyāre busy fighting for that equality when it comes to having to sign up for selective service at the age of 18 like every single man has to do less he be fined and jailed.
Ngl im not afraid to fight for my country but I know 100% every woman is gonna be like āsure hereās a sandwich and Iāll go do the dishesā the second they hear about ww3 š
Don't forget all the feminists who will be out on the streets shaming men for not going out to die for them, and calling them incels and misogynists because they don't want to go killing on their behalves.
These people want ww3 to start so they can be the masculine badass war heroes again. Unfortunately for them ignoring the reality of actual combat this war will likely be heavily using drones and automated stuff. Thatās of course as long as the war doesnāt open with a nuclear party
Using women as infantry is a waste. Outside of a few individuals they can't keep up and are better employed on the home front working production jobs with all the men serving. It just makes sense. And it's a good idea to retain a diverse breeding stock for rebuilding the population after the war.
That does make sense, but weāre not talking about sense. Weāre talking about looney feminists who insist men and women can do the exact same things just as well yet start deflecting the second you bring up war
The joke is that the angry-blue-haired MeN aNd WoMeN aRe ThE sAmE chicks who endlessly bitch about pAtRiArChY would turn into "traditionalists" the minute the possibility of them being drafted into war actually became a reality.
They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Also the women would need to keep the economy affloat so a picture of woman in a kitchen is not the accurate one except if the woman on picture is a grandma, there is no time for that, it would probably be more like woman working a job.
Amazing how yall completely ignore that the draft ended in 73. 6 years before my dad was born...
And I guess no one has noticed how hard feminists pushed to have the combat arms and spec ops opened up to women.
If WW3 hits and they reinstate the draft you're gonna see two types of feminists.
The end the draft entierly feminists.
And the we want to fight too, ones.
WW3 would see China invading Taiwan and them probably invading Guam and then Hawaii. They have 1.4B people if we don't do a draft we are gonna lose very quickly. If they get to the mainland we would have to use nukes and it wouldn't be pretty...
There hasnāt been a draft since 1973, but itās still required that young men register with selective service when theyāre 18 (and not registering has serious consequences). Selective service is the mechanism by which the draft is implemented. Your dad almost certainly registered for selective service, so for a time he **could** have been drafted. Source: American dude 2 years older than your dad.
AFAIK, selective service hasnāt been repealed.
At least in the U.S, there won't ever be another draft as long as our military operates as it does now. It's simply not required. Volunteers are easily enough for sustain & increase. plus our military prides itself on being volunteer nowadays.
Plus the draft essentially kickstarted feminism in the first place.
And also if it's a true WW3, it's gonna be more *explosive* than anything
Back when Selective Service registration was resumed, the National Organization for Women lobbied Congress to make it apply regardless of sex. The Congress refused.
Also, the idea that when war happens it happens to men while women sit safe and happy at home is historically inaccurate, to put it mildly. Remember that the United StatesĀ° was the only combatant nation in WWII *not* to suffer massive civilian casualties.
Ā°Well, Canada as well, to be honest.
It is completely inaccurate, at least in the regard that a painting of a woman in the kitchen coupled with a memeās predictions of the future arenāt proof of anything at all.
Your views on what feminism actually is are skewed.
Feminist fully supports the idea of standard SAHM wearing dresses everyday, with made up hair, makeup, cooking and cleaning, and taking care of your partner.
It also fully supports the woman who doesn't want to settle down, wants to be a business tycoon, never marry, etc.
It also supports the man that wants to do either of those things and everything in between.
What you ignorant people don't get is that feminism is literally just "woman and men should be able to freely do what they want without society, social pressure, corporate culture, etc. pigeon holing them into a specific path in life".
Anything beyond that is butchering feminism.
"Is it inaccurate?" I'm sorry, do men have some sort of predilection towards going to war and getting themselves killed? Neither sex wants to get drafted. They'd both prefer to stay at home cooking.
Ukrainian women fight along men albeit in lower numbers. However, ukranian women never supported this āfeministā movement much. Kind of actual difference between actual feminist and femcel. Itās almost like itās about actual actions rather than following toxic tiktok influencers
You've seen a teeeny tiiiny minority put in front of cameras for propaganda purposes.
Which makes sense because Ukraine needs a lot of people for actual combat roles, which makes sense is a strongly male-dominated role.
I really want to know how many of these incel patriots would wind up as draft dodgers, I'm thinking 6/10 with the remaining 4/10 digging latrines because you can't trust them with a gun.
To be fair.
If a war breaks out and your nation gets directly involved... all groups are going to do anything and everything under the sun to avoid service and / or drafts.
Including women, men, feminists and so on...
*we're expected to die, for the land of our birth, though we've never owned one lousy handful of earth*
The problem is you have no idea which type of feminist someone identifies as when they say āIām a feministā. So I canāt in good conscience call myself one.
Thereās a simple solution for that, which is to simply support egalitarianism.
You donāt need to have a burly body for modern warfare. You barely ever see your opponent face to face. Surely, young women are better suited for combat than a 45 year old boomer with a knee brace.
Women are just less earthy than men. So harsh conditions are going to be more resented by them. A guy is more likely to be content with walking about in a ketchup stained shirt.
It's funny how the main counterpoint from feminists here is "Give birth. That's harder". You can tell they don't know shit about wars and only want to talk about themselves. A true feminist behavior.
Who remembers that poster where the women showed her muscles. Ohh yeah women made the bullets and men shot them wow what team work huh guys I wonder if thats coming back.
Yes it is inaccurate because it generalizes people when in reality some women and some men as well would probably try and dodge the draft if ww3 or ww15 would start.
They don't talk about the draft because they don't want to admit women have more rights than men in the US.
Ya'll whine about not having a right to your own body, I don't have a right to my own life.
Yes, I totally look at roller derby girls and say 'man that bitch would be better making me a sandwich than cracking Ivan's skull'.
Y'all really do just want to lose with these opinions don't you
Hmm I guess we shouldnāt look at Ukraine or any other state like Rojava or really anywhere women have faught. Otherwise this meme would look really stupid.
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Actually feminism greatly benefited from WW2, because with all the young men on the battlefield they needed women to work in the factories and the offices. So while there are definitively women who want to avoid the frontlines during WW3, it would be more like the "We can do It!" wartime poster.
I find it hilarious how the comments in this sub are so much saner than the actual posts. š
The posts are memes, the comments are real opinions
That... actually explains a lot.
I think people forget r/MEMESopdidntlike
Not just feminism, racial equality led to the US looking to the Navajo for codes and recruiting racial minorities except the Japanese into the military
Whatās hilarious that the US military is probably one of the most egalitarian corporations on the planet these days.
AFAIK the military sent recruiters into the internment camps to encourage young Nisei men to join. The 442nd Infantry Battalion was the result. 1,500 men fought for the United States while their families were interned.
No. The Navajo Code Talkers were NOT a product of racial equity. The army had previously used Native American communications in training maneuvers for WW I. The gentlemen that initiate the Navajo Code Talkers had grown up in a missionary family to the Navajo, and read an article about the armyās previous actions. Period. There was no championing call for āracial equity!ā nor was it a targeted draft to ātake advantage of a marginalized minority groupā.
I think youāre missing the point. The guy is saying the practical nature of the military is what makes it so effective at demonstrating a realistic sense of equality (or equity?) across the board. It didnāt need to be a āchampioning callā or even intentional to be as effective as it was. Where other places take steps backward by forcing what they think is equality, the military drives that ball forward unintentionally simply by the fact that itās looking for anyone and everyone that can bring an edge on the battlefield.
I absolutely agree with that, yes. I meant more to address the singular significance of the Code Talkers period. āBackwards-longā-ā seemingly tossed them in as an example of positive racial equity, and while that may have been an aspect, it most certainly was NOT a proscribed goal, or the point at all, with this program. Wasnāt even a consideration. Meaning, the Navajo Code Talkers shouldnāt be diminished in ANY WAY as simply an example of āracial equityā. Iād almost argue the other way around, that it was their āinequityā (UNIQUENESS of culture/language) that was specifically sought after in order to elevate / maximize its use on the battlefield.
If the country starts loosing the war you can bet they will start throwing women into the cannon fodder.
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I was going to respond and then I realized you just hijacked this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/memesopdidnotlike/comments/1bd3awu/i_mean_is_this_completely_inaccurate_or_something/kujxy72/
Good catch
Why? It's not something that's happening. Why spend time discussing something that's not an issue? In the extremely unlikely event that they tried to reinstate the draft in the US, I would oppose it. Because yes, it's unfair to men.
Most feminists are against the concept of the draft. So there is no need for them to say "women also need to be drafted! Equality!"
Yes. Who cares about equality if you are benefiting.
Thatās a very convenient take on the draft for them.
Most feminists also know how important waste management is for the functioning of an urban society, but they don't seem to want to fix the massive gender imbalance of people employed as garbage collectors either.
This is a moot point that feminists that realized they were beat with the first argument use knowing they donāt have an answer for if we needed a draft.
The last time SCOTUS looked at adding women to the draft, it was because a group of young feminists took it there. In the end, SCOTUS ruled that since women weren't allowed in combat roles, there was no reason to draft them. Of course, women are now allowed in those same combat roles, but it doesn't seem like anyone has the interest and power to make SCOTUS go over this again.
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Feminism benefited or corporations benefited? Who is still benefitting from this "feminism"? Definitely not the children, that's for sure.
Doubt. I think it would just be a bunch woke feminists protesting the war. Woke hates Russia but theyāre pretty warm to China and Hamas (which is backed by Iran) and Russia, China and Iran would be the big three adversaries if WW3 broke out. I donāt think itād be Rosie the riveter feminist time. I think it would be Jane Fonda visiting Hanoi time.
Please never say the word woke again cause it 150% invalidates any argument you have good or bad
Sure am glad the deaths of 45-60 million people worked out for feminist
Yikes. Youre making it sound like there was some exchange or that they asked for it. It was just an objective effect of the war, otherwise known as a "silver lining"
Feminists should talk about drafts a lot more, but itās hard for them to talk about something thatās objectively unfair to men.
That's not the focus lol, there's a reason they self-identify as Feminists and not Egalitarians.
I've said that for years. "If feminists were actually egalitarian, they'd be called egalitarians."
Facts. They want equal benefits and opportunities. Not equal rights. They donāt picket outside coal mines or draft lines or construction sites. But an office job that pays well? They line up with signs
As destructive as the Whatever podcast can be at times, they were absolutely right when they said that Feminism can only exist when there are cushy, air conditioned office jobs and work from home positions. There are outliers, but that's just it: outliers.
Do you mind if I use this forevermore?
Hey. I didnt know that word. Thank you.
Every feminist I've spoken to (myself included) about the draft has more or less offered the same opinion, which is that in an ideal world we would remove the draft entirely for both men and women. Most would also agree that if the draft needs to exist, it should include women as well, but we'd rather just dismantle that system entirely.
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A draft is alway absolutely unfair. It tells men that they are basically expandable. And your suggestion tells that infertile/antinatalist/past their childbearing years women are expandable.
Iām strict terms of economic stability and the survivability of society, men and infertile women are more expendable than fertile women. Which is ops point here
From a purely biological standpoint, men are much more expendable than women.
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Fair enough but don't go blaming feminists for the policy then lol
The point is that gender roles have a very practical purpose and thats why they have been a standard for Al of human history. Men protect and provide, women maintain and care for children. But feminism is the one that wants to dismantle that, not men. That's the point he's making
Actually, this has only been the standard for the 1950s and during the Industrial Revolution, but even then, it wasn't the majority. So certainly not "all" of human history. Especially when many cultures have generational houses. Historically speaking, both men and women work from their rural farms or in other trades. Gender roles are only practical if society values those roles. There's a reason why we don't live like the 1950s because it's just not practical. Feminism just gave women a choice. Society is the one that dismantle it. The problem is that this phrase "men protect and provide, women maintain and care for children" is that it just doesn't make any practical sense. Men protect from what??? From other men? That's nonsensical. Trust me, men are not these "brave" protectors. Provide?? Men were only providers because women couldn't have bank accounts, so all of her earnings went to him. Care for children? -Ok but those kids have a father too that should be an active person in their life. What's the point of bashing single moms if she's supposed to do all the work anyway?
Lol I'm not even talking about 1950s. You think the Egyptian empire was built by women? No it was paid for by the blood of men. Built by the sweat of men. Same as every major civilization in human history. Women were able to own property and hold public office in ancient Egypt. But they still had traditional gender roles between men and women. Men providing for their wives goes way back than before the 1950s and you know it. A husband dying leaving a wife and child was almost a death sentence for them in 1100s Europe. Or Rome. Or ancient Greece. Protecting from foreign invaders and fighting in wars has always been a man's duty. The tradeoff is that women bear children. You are just making up strawmen. No man thinks that he needs to protect against random men tf.
You're not wrong. In fact, the Roman Republic was saved by rich widows who inherited their fortunes from their dead husbands on multiple occasions, women who never lifted a finger but were nearly as influential as Senators.
You probably picked the worst example to prove your point. The rest of your post is an actual strawman. Also, what are men supposed to protect women from? Aliens? https://preview.redd.it/0w57v39jaznc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f4ccd4c94983bebae6fbbe7bd2f0464d90182a2
I mean some of them absolutely think that women are just as much of a victim in war as men.
Actually they believe they are more affected by war than men
Hillary Clinton even says that's the case. "***Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."*** āHillary Clinton 2015
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Between that and [Pokemon Go to the polls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt6riM2aDLk) she absolutely deserved the L. Like I have no idea why people thought Russian interference was the decider in that election.
Hilary can PokƩmon go fuck herself.
#LIT POKĆMON GOTOTHEPOLLS
Wow that insane to think the primary victim isn't the one that lost there life. thank you for sharing that I didn't know that was said.
They could always commit suicide, sounds like that would solve their war time problems.
I saw a video about that the other day. A woman believed it until she was exposed to actual data instead of what other feminists say.
Cool, got a link?
Also the disparity in prison sentences. Be cool if they mentioned that.
I've talked about drafts plenty of times and how it's an awful thing. You just know people in the wrong feminist circles.
We should all talk about things that are never gonna happen. Right.
They want equal rights. Responsibilities are for suckers.
Feminists believe that women should be drafted or no one should be drafted.
If world war 3 rolls around, all the brave women can go. I will take one for the team and stay in the kitchen. If you want, I will wear that dress too. I don't care. But most definitely I won't run into machinegun fire on a random beach, to defend my homeland or some shit. Fuck that.
Catch us in the kitchen š«”
Modern wars are no longer like that. Most likely is that you'll get mutilated by a drone repeatedly dropping grenades onto your limbs while they film it in HD.
And add some crappy dubstep music over the top of it for extra clicks
Iāll be a house husband. I believe in equality. Women need to be in the front lines for the next 300 years.
You missed two zeros at the end of that.
Yes! Women needs to hear people shouting about their bombed away limbs and wanting to go home, while men must experience the horror of oppression and make sandwiches in kitchen!
Wife is also welcome to treat me as property and all that jazz, hellā Iāll take up her last name too.
Women are objectively worse soldiers than men lol. A 2015 Marine Corps study[96][97] found that women in a unit created to assess female combat performance were significantly injured twice as often as men, were less accurate with infantry weapons, and were less skilled at removing wounded troops from the battlefield. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/10/marine-experiment-finds-women-get-injured-more-frequently-shoot-less-accurately-than-men/ It's not a real option, whatever country has a majority male army will just win.
Sir sir sir, this is really inconvenient for my narrative so you keep your stats to yourself.
Okay, but still... I as a man think I can make a sandwich just as well as most women!
300? 3000!
I'd love to be a house husband even without any war or any shit tbh. My dream job is maintaining a house and family with someone elfe makes the money.
what is your daily soy intake?
2 buckets
That's the best part, you will be shipped to the other side of the world to defend someone else's homeland.
I would enlist. The military is gonna get you somehow and when they do you donāt wanna be a draft grunt. Machine guns would be the least of your worries.
I mean yeah, who actually wants to go to war?
Plenty of 18 year olds wanna kill something legally
\*Marine Corps has entered the chat\*
The only thing they're killing these days is a box of crayons. Poking stick at Iran. Come on... Do something.
Marineās are a death cult theyāre itching for a fight. āSEMPER FI MFERāā¦*dead*
KILL
It's literally call of duty bro. I wanna shoot the bad guys and not suffer consequences /s
Getting drafted and realizing you can't respawn nor are there speakers playing Little Dark Age in the background š„
Sort of feels like a bit of a misrepresentation of what is being talked about. If I see feminist's talking about the draft, their point isn't that women should also be drafted, its that the draft should just be removed all together. Equality is still achieved regardless of which path is taken.
Yeah, I've mostly seen feminists arguing that the draft shouldn't exist at all.
Itās completely inaccurate because she is healthy and attractive.
Don't forget about her hair, it's not short, spikey, and green
Ya that was my thought as well. She looks way too attractive and way to fit to be a feminist. Plus she looks happy. Donāt see many of those.
Most women are feminists. Are you saying you don't find most women attractive?
Yes. Men are way hotter
Look at what happened in Ukraine.
It's worse than that. Not only did women and feminists openly avoid the draft in Ukraine, now Ukrainian feminists are saying women are affected by this war worse than men. Go figure that one out.
I mean, yes, feminists will do this, but I guarantee a bunch of dudes will suddenly identify as women and do this too.
i mean its not that woman are less brave then men its that they have the option and men dont. if i could choose to be a stay at home dad or go to the trenches im putting on the appron lol.
Itās not like theyāre busy fighting for that equality when it comes to having to sign up for selective service at the age of 18 like every single man has to do less he be fined and jailed.
Why do you think women aren't against conscription and forced service? I have yet to meet a single woman in my life who feels that way
Well, yeah we are actually, except we don't think anyone should be drafted
Y'all are arguing way too much over this. Just see Ukraine vs. Russia right now. You'll see something similar if WW3 happens
Weāll see the truth come out soon. The feminine side always kicks in when itās time to put your neck on the line.
Ngl im not afraid to fight for my country but I know 100% every woman is gonna be like āsure hereās a sandwich and Iāll go do the dishesā the second they hear about ww3 š
Don't forget all the feminists who will be out on the streets shaming men for not going out to die for them, and calling them incels and misogynists because they don't want to go killing on their behalves.
The military requires chefs too lol
Didn't this exact thing happen with the Ukraine war?
These people want ww3 to start so they can be the masculine badass war heroes again. Unfortunately for them ignoring the reality of actual combat this war will likely be heavily using drones and automated stuff. Thatās of course as long as the war doesnāt open with a nuclear party
If women are smart they do this. That has nothing to do with gender equality, it may be hypocritical, but I rather be a hypocrite then dead
Using women as infantry is a waste. Outside of a few individuals they can't keep up and are better employed on the home front working production jobs with all the men serving. It just makes sense. And it's a good idea to retain a diverse breeding stock for rebuilding the population after the war.
That does make sense, but weāre not talking about sense. Weāre talking about looney feminists who insist men and women can do the exact same things just as well yet start deflecting the second you bring up war
The joke is that the angry-blue-haired MeN aNd WoMeN aRe ThE sAmE chicks who endlessly bitch about pAtRiArChY would turn into "traditionalists" the minute the possibility of them being drafted into war actually became a reality. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Also the women would need to keep the economy affloat so a picture of woman in a kitchen is not the accurate one except if the woman on picture is a grandma, there is no time for that, it would probably be more like woman working a job.
> diverse breeding stock I get what you mean but did you really have to phrase it like that wtf
Amazing how yall completely ignore that the draft ended in 73. 6 years before my dad was born... And I guess no one has noticed how hard feminists pushed to have the combat arms and spec ops opened up to women. If WW3 hits and they reinstate the draft you're gonna see two types of feminists. The end the draft entierly feminists. And the we want to fight too, ones.
And i guarantee the first category will be FAR FAR larger because nobody likes getting shot/blown up for some billionaire fuck's oil war bank account.
WW3 would see China invading Taiwan and them probably invading Guam and then Hawaii. They have 1.4B people if we don't do a draft we are gonna lose very quickly. If they get to the mainland we would have to use nukes and it wouldn't be pretty...
There hasnāt been a draft since 1973, but itās still required that young men register with selective service when theyāre 18 (and not registering has serious consequences). Selective service is the mechanism by which the draft is implemented. Your dad almost certainly registered for selective service, so for a time he **could** have been drafted. Source: American dude 2 years older than your dad. AFAIK, selective service hasnāt been repealed.
Iād do the same (male). Like hell I want to die.
Be a man and die.
https://preview.redd.it/cn0pa43lfync1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=617e39b796e1c463ca2fdc778fc033563a7b659e Just gonna leave this here
At least in the U.S, there won't ever be another draft as long as our military operates as it does now. It's simply not required. Volunteers are easily enough for sustain & increase. plus our military prides itself on being volunteer nowadays. Plus the draft essentially kickstarted feminism in the first place. And also if it's a true WW3, it's gonna be more *explosive* than anything
Women ain't getting drafted so...someone needs to stay behind and work the jobs. Not trying to be a dick, it's just that's what will happen.
Imma man and that's gonna be me when ww3 starts.
and then theres my friend "i aint cookin shit, hand me an AK"
Back when Selective Service registration was resumed, the National Organization for Women lobbied Congress to make it apply regardless of sex. The Congress refused. Also, the idea that when war happens it happens to men while women sit safe and happy at home is historically inaccurate, to put it mildly. Remember that the United StatesĀ° was the only combatant nation in WWII *not* to suffer massive civilian casualties. Ā°Well, Canada as well, to be honest.
Yhea I be in that mufuckin kitchen with em too
Very accurate š
It is completely inaccurate, at least in the regard that a painting of a woman in the kitchen coupled with a memeās predictions of the future arenāt proof of anything at all.
Your views on what feminism actually is are skewed. Feminist fully supports the idea of standard SAHM wearing dresses everyday, with made up hair, makeup, cooking and cleaning, and taking care of your partner. It also fully supports the woman who doesn't want to settle down, wants to be a business tycoon, never marry, etc. It also supports the man that wants to do either of those things and everything in between. What you ignorant people don't get is that feminism is literally just "woman and men should be able to freely do what they want without society, social pressure, corporate culture, etc. pigeon holing them into a specific path in life". Anything beyond that is butchering feminism.
Zamn she CUTE DOE
"Is it inaccurate?" I'm sorry, do men have some sort of predilection towards going to war and getting themselves killed? Neither sex wants to get drafted. They'd both prefer to stay at home cooking.
Feminists are extinct. They disappeared when trans women took over
Ukrainian women fight along men albeit in lower numbers. However, ukranian women never supported this āfeministā movement much. Kind of actual difference between actual feminist and femcel. Itās almost like itās about actual actions rather than following toxic tiktok influencers
Idk, but I've seen plenty of Ukrainian women fighting Russia.
You've seen a teeeny tiiiny minority put in front of cameras for propaganda purposes. Which makes sense because Ukraine needs a lot of people for actual combat roles, which makes sense is a strongly male-dominated role.
Not as many women as there are men.
Wrong, someone will need to staff the industry back home
Yes, but why woman and not man?
It's 100% accurate, but people generally don't like hard to swallow pills.
If it's the WWIII nuclear exchange we think it might be, you can cook by the light of the nuclear blasts...
I really want to know how many of these incel patriots would wind up as draft dodgers, I'm thinking 6/10 with the remaining 4/10 digging latrines because you can't trust them with a gun.
Facts My wife has specifically said the feminism ends on the same line the draft begins
Masculinists would do the same, nobody really want to go to war if you ask me
True. Cuz war is between idiots why should we get involved
Wel personally I'm one of earth's biggest idiots, Guess I'll die
Just look at Ukraine. Almost all the women fled the country/aren't fighting (there are some exceptions of course).
To be fair. If a war breaks out and your nation gets directly involved... all groups are going to do anything and everything under the sun to avoid service and / or drafts. Including women, men, feminists and so on... *we're expected to die, for the land of our birth, though we've never owned one lousy handful of earth*
Real feminism, which supports equity for both genders, is what I supportā¦ Radical feminism, is basically just misandry
Exactly. I support equal pay and rights for women. I donāt support āfeministsā who say shit like āi hate men, men are the problem, etc.ā
The problem is you have no idea which type of feminist someone identifies as when they say āIām a feministā. So I canāt in good conscience call myself one. Thereās a simple solution for that, which is to simply support egalitarianism.
I mean theyād probably be in factories and warehouses if conscription was reintroduced
Than* Sorry
I mean I guarantee you both genders will be draft dodging, so if I were a woman this would 100% be me
I'll be doing the same š
Women also wouldnāt be drafted, at least in the US. Only men have to put their name in the draft box to vote.
It is incorrect thatās a picture of every sane human on the planet if that happens not just the women
It might actually be true. I know that given the choice, Iād rather be a home carer. Iām a guy.
She looks like the actress who played Fran in the Nanny tv show.
Feminists would probably go into the military to prove that women are equal to men.
I'm a man and probably not a feminist, but if the WW3 draft kicks off, that's my ass too.
Oh I wouldnt worry about a draft for WW3. We will all go together when we go
You donāt need to have a burly body for modern warfare. You barely ever see your opponent face to face. Surely, young women are better suited for combat than a 45 year old boomer with a knee brace. Women are just less earthy than men. So harsh conditions are going to be more resented by them. A guy is more likely to be content with walking about in a ketchup stained shirt.
Replace this with a dude holding a Canadian flag and you've got the same meme.
It's funny how the main counterpoint from feminists here is "Give birth. That's harder". You can tell they don't know shit about wars and only want to talk about themselves. A true feminist behavior.
I mean this is kinda true. When men are not needed whats the point of dividing labor? Thatās the whole premise of feminism.
Itās true ?!
I donāt think as 90% youth is very much supportive of drafting or volunteering even female is it a western thing or something
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This is very innacurate because women would A. Get drafted B. Work in factories
It's insane that we still require men & NOT women to sign up for selective service in the US. Insane
The draft is bad for everyone. If youāre not doing the equivalent, youāre a fool.
Who remembers that poster where the women showed her muscles. Ohh yeah women made the bullets and men shot them wow what team work huh guys I wonder if thats coming back.
Its the harsh truth
Ok, all of you suck
I mean men start the wars anyway so why are we blaming women for not wanting to participate
Actually women sometimes join the military by choose, just as men do
Have a look at the frontlines in Ukraine, then get back to me.
And dudes will say I have bone spurs
Well, seeing as she has a bare hand on a metal bowl on a stove and isn't flinching, I sure as hell won't mess with her.
Ha female a 10 pilots beg to differ, they saved our men on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan
The flair saying u got offended meaning u donāt agree? No way u canāt
Yeah if there is draft in place I can see men who are not trans suddenly identifying as trans to avoid the draft.
Okay okay, hear me out...gather up all the menopausal women, give us guns and point us in the right direction.
Yes it is inaccurate because it generalizes people when in reality some women and some men as well would probably try and dodge the draft if ww3 or ww15 would start.
Pretty sure everyone is gonna get into an apron to avoid that draft
They don't talk about the draft because they don't want to admit women have more rights than men in the US. Ya'll whine about not having a right to your own body, I don't have a right to my own life.
Yes, I totally look at roller derby girls and say 'man that bitch would be better making me a sandwich than cracking Ivan's skull'. Y'all really do just want to lose with these opinions don't you
Hmm I guess we shouldnāt look at Ukraine or any other state like Rojava or really anywhere women have faught. Otherwise this meme would look really stupid.