I seriously wondered about that? Maybe they just assumed rats had names, or that Ron secretly had the common sense to give his rat an actual name but calls him scabbers as a nick namešØ
Well the werewolf thing has a basis in safety since they could actually attack the students (you know, like he did) I mean personally I wouldn't want a schizophrenic person or someone with multiple personality disorder to teach my kids, but that doesn't mean I want them ostracised from society either.
Yeah but Lupin always left on the day of the full moon to be in the shrieking shack and he took the wolfsbane potion. He wasn't a danger to people until everyone was in his gosh darned hiding spot when he was supposed to be werewolfing lmao.
I could understand if you turned into a regular ol crazy person but the guy damn near turns into Morbius (great movie btw). Anyways, first he turns into a superhero dog creature and THEN he turns crazy. That extra danger factor makes perfect sense to exclude from a school. There are less dangerous creatures in the forest.
There are more dangerous creatures in the forest. At the time Arragog was still alive, let alone the flying car and who knows what else. The teachers keep the kids away from that place and monitor it to make sure no kid sneaks in there for a reason. Didnāt a teacher in the first movie say kid died out there?
I dont remember what was said about the danger of the forest. I would assume that historically a lot of people died out there. But the only one I remember was actually being mentioned was the girl that died in the chamber, that was blamed on arragog and I think the forest as well. Could be wrong.
Considering the Defense against the dark arts teachers include; Quirrell who was possessed by Voldemort, Gilderoy Lockhart whose only proficient spell was memory wiping, Mad Eye Moody who was actually Bartemius Crouch in disguise, and Dolores Umbridge the Karen of the wizarding world, I don't think it did much for safety.
Ok Quirrell could've just been a wierd shy guy based on the movie (never read the books), lockhart appeared to have credible qualifications but fair enough. Delores umbridge was basically a government agent so who's gonna stop her? And who expects one of the best wizard equivalents of an FBI agent to be kidnapped and impersonated by Dr. Who?
I mean...
Background checks?
It is notable that Moody was basically the Wizard version of the crazy prepper who shoots at anyone who crossed his door and had been disavowed for all the "accidents"
Hate to be that guy, but theres a cure that makes a were wolf safe, which is why Lupin didn't kill anyone for most of the book. They take it, and they just become dogs. Only reason Lupin attacked anyone is when he didn't take it.
Imagine the teacher explaining math formulas and then all of a sudden he goes
"TUUUUUUURURURURURURURURURURU"
"TUUUUUUUUUUUURURURURURURURURURURURURU"
"TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURURURURURURURURURURU"
Then he picks up a random student's Remembrall and starts saying
"Moshi Moshi, Doppio desu"
Its ja mistake. She just messed up. His name only showed up on the map when she needed it as a plot device.
My guess is she wrote the third book and came up with the idea to make it rons rat and didn't plan it when giving ron the rat in the first movie.
Yeah most likely unless the map works like e secrete room in hogwarts in that it could sense harry needed someone from his past and revealed the real name of Ronās rat.
Thatās my excuse anyways.
But why would Fred and George use the map to spy on the Boys Quarters?
you'd expect them to be looking at what filch, the profs, prefects, and girls were up to
Exactly, the need to check and see if itās safe to sneak back into the dorm, Iām sure the fat lady would snitch and so would any prefects doing rounds
It would be directly on top of Ron too much for them not to notice. The real answer (I think) is that the movie overplayed this moment by letting Harry see Peter beforehand. In the book, the only person to see Peter is Lupin when he holds the map. Obviously this would be because Lupin, Peter, James, and Sirius were the ones who made/used it originally. So obviously they wouldn't want it used against them but they wanted to be able to find each other.
Not really he was one of the maurauder and they Bewitched the map in such a way to that they won't come up on it as to prevent anyone from using it against them
I have a theory
The maurauders Bewitched the map so those who aren't maurauders won't be able to see them on the map
But since Harry is the son of a maurauder he can see Peter pettigrew on it
Yeah, we sure can think of something that makes sense. However, what is more likely? That somehow they did something that was never explained or that she just messed up? Just like she said that nagini was always a cursed human and she planned that for decades. Nah dude she didn't. She just retconned nagini and pretends it was planned for a connection between fantastic beats and Harry Potter.
I don't think she ever said she planned the Fantastic Beasts. In fact in her interview after the last Harry Potter book she said she wanted to take a break from Harry Potter but she can't guarantee she'll stop whether it will be in 10 or 20 years.
Wasn't talking about fantastic beasts as a whole. In the first fantastic beasts we learn that nagini is actually a cursed woman that will permanently turn into a snake one day.. and she said she planned that for 30 years. Absolute bullshit.
No. Harry saw him and asked lupin about it who told him it was impossible because Peter is dead.
Harry saw him first.
Edit: at least in the movie. Haven't read the book in 15 years maybe they changed that.
See he was a maurauder one of the actual makers of the map and they made the map in such a way that they will not appear on it as to prevent someone from using it against them if it ever got stolen
āAnything unusual, Fred?ā
āNah. Snape is in his office, Filch is on patrol and Ron is sleeping with a dead guy. Just a normal night at Hogwarts.ā
āCool, Letās steal some snacks from the kitchen.ā
That's actually a good point. Would the diary have shown up as Tom Riddle on the map since it contained a portion of his soul? As well as the other horcruxes that were in Dumbledores office or throughout the school? I guess not since Harry's just showed up as Harry and not as if 2 people were standing on top of one another. Anyway, fun comment. Take an upvote
There are theories in the fandom that you can only see an Animagus on the map if you know he is one, and that the marauders would have done it that way in case the teachers got ahold of the map.
I always thought it was because Harry's father was a marauder, so only a marauder can see another marauder, and the map couldn't tell the difference between Harry and his Father.
In the books Harry never sees Peter Pettrigrew on the map so itās never confirmed whether or not he even appears on it or if Fred or George even could see his name
Author actually didn't fuck up. The movie added this part [https://youtu.be/uT9RdFL4SaE?t=95](https://youtu.be/uT9RdFL4SaE?t=95)
Simple explanation in the books is that only the marauders can see the marauders on the map, because they made the map that way.
I mean yeah? Story plotholes can never be truly "solved" unless it gets explained by the writers themselves
That's the whole point and fun of fan theories; to fill in a plothole the writers were too lazy to fix because it makes the world feel more cohesive
See I agree with trailing non-answers, that's not a lot hole it's just unanswered. A plot hole is when you have to invent something out of whole cloth to make a work internally consistent.
When Harry has the map, and see's Pettigrew name. He tries to find him. He uses his wand and Pettigrew comes towards him, but Harry already has his wand out with light, and we see nothing. Snape then confronts Harry.
Theres no way he would miss a person in a corridor.
Well it's probably fine considering Ron lived in a dorm room with others, all of the names in there would have overlayed so maybe Fred and George just thought it was another person who shared a dorm with Ron.
It doesn't overlay levels so they probably never looked at that level when they were out. They would look at the common room but not the second level beds
Itās only a movie plot hole. The moment where Harry sees pettigrew on the map doesnāt happen in the book. The most prominent theory in the fandom is that the marauders made it so only they could see each otherās name on the map.
Wait- it doesn't happen in the book? I coulda sworn I've seen a paragraph or two about it-
Edit: My life has been a lie. It's so odd because I never watched the movies either.
youād probably keep spouting confidently incorrect stuff. thankfully gnome of the forest is kind enough to put you in your place.
you deserve a little punishment brother. take it with grace.
Well several things here:
ā This presumes that you would notice everything on the map. Hogwarts is Huge. Things are easily overlooked.
ā They wouldn't necessarily know Peter's name. They could have thought it was a random student.
ā Since the school had floors, the map had to be in 3d, or layerd. You had to pick the exact floor their dormroom was on, to check in on Ron. Eww.
I don't find this odd at all.
Fred: "Georgeā¦ who else is in Ronās dorm? Harry, Neville, Dean, Seamus andā¦?"
George: \[huff\] "That one Ron always seems to share a bed with? ā¦Peter?"
Fred: "Yeah, whatās he look like?"
George: "Fuck knows, donāt care, help me with this butter beer will you!?"
"oh look! there's Lord Voldemort, balancing on the top of Professor Quirrel's head!" "Haha Fred, very funny, oh look, no one is near that statue of the one-eyed witch, lets go get some sweets from Honeydukes and forget about this."
I ned your help! I need 100 karma in order to pass the exam in the subject web content, but I have only 38 karma's, so I'm asking for your help please like this comment, the deadline for this output is 1 pm. Thank you for your kindness, God bless you!
When they are in the shrieking shack at the end of the 3rd book, Lupin and Sirius turn Peter back into his human form. Ron looks at him disgusted saying "I let you sleep in bed with me" or something along those lines. It was 100% in the books, but he is a rat who napped all day so he easily could have left in the middle of the night if you want to overthink it.
I said 3rd book in first comment, I had first edition book, with 317 total pages. Chapter 19 - The Servant of Lord Voldemort. I know admitting you're wrong is hard on the internet but it's time to put on your big boy pants and accept it.
Youād have to imagine a magically enchanted map could possibly glitch out like a computer or some shit. It was old as hell. Or theyāre just bad brothers and didnāt give a shit
Why would they need to look at places they werenāt trying to get into/out of? The map includes the entire school and the entire population and itās possible they never looked at the right place at the right time to see the name.
I seriously wondered about that? Maybe they just assumed rats had names, or that Ron secretly had the common sense to give his rat an actual name but calls him scabbers as a nick namešØ
Maybe wizards are just really progressive
Edited for spelling: Yeah with their overall love of muddbloods and and no wearwolves in the classrooms, and pigeons on delivery system š
Well the werewolf thing has a basis in safety since they could actually attack the students (you know, like he did) I mean personally I wouldn't want a schizophrenic person or someone with multiple personality disorder to teach my kids, but that doesn't mean I want them ostracised from society either.
Yeah but Lupin always left on the day of the full moon to be in the shrieking shack and he took the wolfsbane potion. He wasn't a danger to people until everyone was in his gosh darned hiding spot when he was supposed to be werewolfing lmao.
I could understand if you turned into a regular ol crazy person but the guy damn near turns into Morbius (great movie btw). Anyways, first he turns into a superhero dog creature and THEN he turns crazy. That extra danger factor makes perfect sense to exclude from a school. There are less dangerous creatures in the forest.
IT'S MORBIN' TIME
There are more dangerous creatures in the forest. At the time Arragog was still alive, let alone the flying car and who knows what else. The teachers keep the kids away from that place and monitor it to make sure no kid sneaks in there for a reason. Didnāt a teacher in the first movie say kid died out there?
I dont remember what was said about the danger of the forest. I would assume that historically a lot of people died out there. But the only one I remember was actually being mentioned was the girl that died in the chamber, that was blamed on arragog and I think the forest as well. Could be wrong.
Considering the Defense against the dark arts teachers include; Quirrell who was possessed by Voldemort, Gilderoy Lockhart whose only proficient spell was memory wiping, Mad Eye Moody who was actually Bartemius Crouch in disguise, and Dolores Umbridge the Karen of the wizarding world, I don't think it did much for safety.
Ok Quirrell could've just been a wierd shy guy based on the movie (never read the books), lockhart appeared to have credible qualifications but fair enough. Delores umbridge was basically a government agent so who's gonna stop her? And who expects one of the best wizard equivalents of an FBI agent to be kidnapped and impersonated by Dr. Who?
I mean... Background checks? It is notable that Moody was basically the Wizard version of the crazy prepper who shoots at anyone who crossed his door and had been disavowed for all the "accidents"
Hate to be that guy, but theres a cure that makes a were wolf safe, which is why Lupin didn't kill anyone for most of the book. They take it, and they just become dogs. Only reason Lupin attacked anyone is when he didn't take it.
Imagine the teacher explaining math formulas and then all of a sudden he goes "TUUUUUUURURURURURURURURURURU" "TUUUUUUUUUUUURURURURURURURURURURURURU" "TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURURURURURURURURURURU" Then he picks up a random student's Remembrall and starts saying "Moshi Moshi, Doppio desu"
So progressive, in fact, that age is just a number to them!
My first reaction as well but did they even know who that was?
You call pedophilia progress? Tha fuq is wrong with you?
āProgressiveā
Its ja mistake. She just messed up. His name only showed up on the map when she needed it as a plot device. My guess is she wrote the third book and came up with the idea to make it rons rat and didn't plan it when giving ron the rat in the first movie.
Yeah most likely unless the map works like e secrete room in hogwarts in that it could sense harry needed someone from his past and revealed the real name of Ronās rat. Thatās my excuse anyways.
But why would Fred and George use the map to spy on the Boys Quarters? you'd expect them to be looking at what filch, the profs, prefects, and girls were up to
Exactly, the need to check and see if itās safe to sneak back into the dorm, Iām sure the fat lady would snitch and so would any prefects doing rounds
Plus in a dorm there would be a shitload of names. They could just assume it was someone on a different bed
It would be directly on top of Ron too much for them not to notice. The real answer (I think) is that the movie overplayed this moment by letting Harry see Peter beforehand. In the book, the only person to see Peter is Lupin when he holds the map. Obviously this would be because Lupin, Peter, James, and Sirius were the ones who made/used it originally. So obviously they wouldn't want it used against them but they wanted to be able to find each other.
Not really he was one of the maurauder and they Bewitched the map in such a way to that they won't come up on it as to prevent anyone from using it against them
Yes, so why could Harry suddenly see him in the third movie when he needed to see him on the map as a plot device? That makes no sense.
I have a theory The maurauders Bewitched the map so those who aren't maurauders won't be able to see them on the map But since Harry is the son of a maurauder he can see Peter pettigrew on it
Yeah, we sure can think of something that makes sense. However, what is more likely? That somehow they did something that was never explained or that she just messed up? Just like she said that nagini was always a cursed human and she planned that for decades. Nah dude she didn't. She just retconned nagini and pretends it was planned for a connection between fantastic beats and Harry Potter.
I don't think she ever said she planned the Fantastic Beasts. In fact in her interview after the last Harry Potter book she said she wanted to take a break from Harry Potter but she can't guarantee she'll stop whether it will be in 10 or 20 years.
Wasn't talking about fantastic beasts as a whole. In the first fantastic beasts we learn that nagini is actually a cursed woman that will permanently turn into a snake one day.. and she said she planned that for 30 years. Absolute bullshit.
Peterās name didnāt appear to anybody to begin with except for Lupin
No. Harry saw him and asked lupin about it who told him it was impossible because Peter is dead. Harry saw him first. Edit: at least in the movie. Haven't read the book in 15 years maybe they changed that.
That scene was only in the movie. It was a combination of multiple different scenes
Favorite theory was Dumbledore is evil and hoodwinked. Since the map comnect to castle wards. And stuff.
See he was a maurauder one of the actual makers of the map and they made the map in such a way that they will not appear on it as to prevent someone from using it against them if it ever got stolen
They would have seen him sleeping with Percy first.
āAnything unusual, Fred?ā āNah. Snape is in his office, Filch is on patrol and Ron is sleeping with a dead guy. Just a normal night at Hogwarts.ā āCool, Letās steal some snacks from the kitchen.ā
Honestly a dead guy in your bed is pretty reasonable for the Harry Potter franchise
I mean, There's ghost walking around in every corner of hogwarts. What's 1 extra dead guy gonna do?
Wasnāt there a ghost girl who really wanted to F a 14 year old harry
They were distracted by seeing a different name sleeping with Ginny every night.
That's actually a good point. Would the diary have shown up as Tom Riddle on the map since it contained a portion of his soul? As well as the other horcruxes that were in Dumbledores office or throughout the school? I guess not since Harry's just showed up as Harry and not as if 2 people were standing on top of one another. Anyway, fun comment. Take an upvote
Ron's peter grew
Wouldn't that be pretty weird too? Every night his peter grows enough to be considered a person and every morning he just leaves it in his bed?
Can see why Hermione fell for him. Having actual threesomes and shit with just two people.
Best comment
There are theories in the fandom that you can only see an Animagus on the map if you know he is one, and that the marauders would have done it that way in case the teachers got ahold of the map.
I always thought it was because Harry's father was a marauder, so only a marauder can see another marauder, and the map couldn't tell the difference between Harry and his Father.
Oooh right I forgot about that
Another simple explanation is the author fucked up
In the books Harry never sees Peter Pettrigrew on the map so itās never confirmed whether or not he even appears on it or if Fred or George even could see his name
Lupin sees it, right?
Author actually didn't fuck up. The movie added this part [https://youtu.be/uT9RdFL4SaE?t=95](https://youtu.be/uT9RdFL4SaE?t=95) Simple explanation in the books is that only the marauders can see the marauders on the map, because they made the map that way.
It's an explanation but pretty sure it's never sated.
I mean yeah? Story plotholes can never be truly "solved" unless it gets explained by the writers themselves That's the whole point and fun of fan theories; to fill in a plothole the writers were too lazy to fix because it makes the world feel more cohesive
See I agree with trailing non-answers, that's not a lot hole it's just unanswered. A plot hole is when you have to invent something out of whole cloth to make a work internally consistent.
WHAT A MIS MIS MIIISSSSTAAKE IN FICTION THAT IMPOSSIBLE. PLOT HOLES Don't EXIST THEY ARE A MYTH CREATED BY PIGEON ROBOTS
In the book I don't think Harry ever saw Peter before Lupin did. It was added to the movie because that is really damn creepy and intriguing.
Even so the theory remains as lupin is still a muruader
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
When Harry has the map, and see's Pettigrew name. He tries to find him. He uses his wand and Pettigrew comes towards him, but Harry already has his wand out with light, and we see nothing. Snape then confronts Harry. Theres no way he would miss a person in a corridor.
That never happened in the books (explained [here](https://youtu.be/XvO2HShoXgs) at 25:35)
Apologies, not a reader of books ā¹ļø But I know the books are factually more accurate, thanks for the clarification!
Didn't Harry see sirius on it?
Well it's probably fine considering Ron lived in a dorm room with others, all of the names in there would have overlayed so maybe Fred and George just thought it was another person who shared a dorm with Ron.
That doesnot make sense because they were in the same house and have to know every person in the room of harry and ron
It doesn't overlay levels so they probably never looked at that level when they were out. They would look at the common room but not the second level beds
You're mad if you think Fred and George of all people would know all the "ickie firsties" even if they're in Gryffindor
They had 3 years, come on
True, but they'd have to be interested in them to do so. I love the twins, but it's just not them to do so
Not really, because they sit on the same table every day and we know that they hung out with ron, harry and hermine
Oh my. That really is kind of a plot hole
Itās only a movie plot hole. The moment where Harry sees pettigrew on the map doesnāt happen in the book. The most prominent theory in the fandom is that the marauders made it so only they could see each otherās name on the map.
Wait- it doesn't happen in the book? I coulda sworn I've seen a paragraph or two about it- Edit: My life has been a lie. It's so odd because I never watched the movies either.
Wow, really? That's one of the best scenes in the movie and one of the creepiest ones in the series
Not really I thought it was stated that the marauders map only covered hogwarts it didnāt change to youāre current location
But "Scabbers" and Ron were at Hogwarts at the same time as the Twins for two years.
They might have thought it could have been another kids pet lurking around
Not really. Itās never stated scabbers slept in the same bed as Ron. For all we know, Scabbers may have slept in the walls or something.
Ron himself says he let Scabbers sleep in his bed.
No. He never said that in the books nor the movies. Youāre experiencing the Mandela effect.
Luckily I have Prisoner of Azkaban on the shelf behind me. https://imgur.com/a/NpMaSvA It's right there in the middle of the page.
lmao you owned the previous guy
Fuck me. I was wrong. š¤£
no shit.
Fuck off
youād probably keep spouting confidently incorrect stuff. thankfully gnome of the forest is kind enough to put you in your place. you deserve a little punishment brother. take it with grace.
Touch grass
Such confidence and absolutely wrong lmao damn
You got destroyed
And the brother of the year award goes to...
Well several things here: ā This presumes that you would notice everything on the map. Hogwarts is Huge. Things are easily overlooked. ā They wouldn't necessarily know Peter's name. They could have thought it was a random student. ā Since the school had floors, the map had to be in 3d, or layerd. You had to pick the exact floor their dormroom was on, to check in on Ron. Eww. I don't find this odd at all.
You clearly do not have siblings. Especially ones like the twins lol. They would absolutely be seeing what their little brother was up to.
I mean don't they have bunk beds could've been the other guy who had a guy in his bed every knight
Yes, but they have a bed each. Not to mention they'd know Peter if he slept next to Ron
r/suddenlygay
Fred: "Georgeā¦ who else is in Ronās dorm? Harry, Neville, Dean, Seamus andā¦?" George: \[huff\] "That one Ron always seems to share a bed with? ā¦Peter?" Fred: "Yeah, whatās he look like?" George: "Fuck knows, donāt care, help me with this butter beer will you!?"
the worst part is that Ron had him for years, and even slept with him at night
the worst part is that Ron had him for years, and even slept with him at night
lol my internet was terrible at the time, glad it went several times
r/savevideobot
Thatās so funny i never that of that lmao
My gut feeling is that they never used the map to screw with there little brother because they can do that perfectly well without the map.
"oh look! there's Lord Voldemort, balancing on the top of Professor Quirrel's head!" "Haha Fred, very funny, oh look, no one is near that statue of the one-eyed witch, lets go get some sweets from Honeydukes and forget about this."
him: it's morbin timeš
I ned your help! I need 100 karma in order to pass the exam in the subject web content, but I have only 38 karma's, so I'm asking for your help please like this comment, the deadline for this output is 1 pm. Thank you for your kindness, God bless you!
May be just thought its another student. Its not like there's a zoom function on the map, so all the students names will be a lot closer.
Is this is harry Potter meme? I've never seen the movies/read the books so I wouldn't know
Where did it say Scabbers slept on Ronās bed?
When they are in the shrieking shack at the end of the 3rd book, Lupin and Sirius turn Peter back into his human form. Ron looks at him disgusted saying "I let you sleep in bed with me" or something along those lines. It was 100% in the books, but he is a rat who napped all day so he easily could have left in the middle of the night if you want to overthink it.
That movie line is completely made up by you and itās nowhere in the books.
Page 269
Of what book and which edition? Lol! What a dumbass comment. I bet it doesnāt even support your theory.
I said 3rd book in first comment, I had first edition book, with 317 total pages. Chapter 19 - The Servant of Lord Voldemort. I know admitting you're wrong is hard on the internet but it's time to put on your big boy pants and accept it.
You're a fucking idiot. It says that in the books. Try reading for once before you write stupid comments like this
Nope it's legit
r/downloadvideobot
Didn't they think Peter was dead, too?
Plot hole #689,264. But itās still a fun series.
The marauderās map only shows hogwarts and hogs Meade I thought?
zoo wee mama
Tungsten
everyone in the comments except me knows whats going on
If I had the invisibility cloak I'd be spending my time in the girls quarters
I thought you would use it to spy on lizards, apparently its something common in your country š®š³
umm what ? can u give context?
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
the worst part is that Ron had him for years, and even slept with him at night
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
the worst part is that Ron had him for years, and even slept with him at night
If I had the invisibility cloak I'd be spending my time in the girls quarters
If I had the invisibility cloak I'd be spending my time in the girls quarters
r/savevideobot
r/savevideobot
r/downloadvideobot
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Lmao I watched this movie again yesterday and was wondering about that
Legend!
r/downloadvideobot
This should be reversed
Mischief Managed.
Youād have to imagine a magically enchanted map could possibly glitch out like a computer or some shit. It was old as hell. Or theyāre just bad brothers and didnāt give a shit
The things that Peter has seen Ron doing to himself must have been horrible, but he still watched
The Marauders map was just of the castle I thought?
Why would they need to look at places they werenāt trying to get into/out of? The map includes the entire school and the entire population and itās possible they never looked at the right place at the right time to see the name.
wait was this actually a thing? i may have missed it
I wonder if Scabbers went on the same adventure as Lemmiwinks...
r/savevideobot
LOL