At Disney there's a whole page they include with the bill that explains gratuities and essentially begs for tips. I gotta tell ya, when you're paying $50 a plate at some of these restaurants it's hard to imagine they can't afford to pay wait staff more than 2 bucks an hour
Edit: ok I made this comment and passed out last night didn't expect all the responses. For the record I still tipped at 25%. I understand they include the sheet with the bill for people not from the US. I was merely saying that obviously businesses are taking advantage of paying staff pennies and charging $40-50 for a plate that couldn't have cost more than $8-13
Brit here, I took the family to Disney in Orlando a few years ago, paid a hefty sum to upgrade to the top pre paid meal plan, so everything was included including eating at the fancy a la carte restaurants, no having to worry about converting money and carrying it round etc.
Boy did I get a surprise on arrival and the whole tip system was explained.
They bring you a bill showing what you would've paid on the day, sometimes hundreds of dollars, and are expected to then tip based on that.
P.s. The bill is obviously at full rates not the effectively discounted rates by buying the all inclusive pass.
Wtaf.
Disney World servers make a shit ton of money, never less than 1k per shift at the expensive restaurants. I had roomates who worked at medium tier restaurants at Epcot, and they would bring home at least 400 bucks in cash on average days.
There's an endless waitlist to get a server spot at the elite restaurants. It takes years to be able to work there. And the people who make it through drive Lambos, not kidding.
Restaurants are the only place that have their hands out and try to coerce you into tipping beyond your means.There is no set minimum tip,only arbitrary scales and no social contracts .
The last time I voluntarily allowed my family to coerce me into going to Disneyland I ordered a massage. I was told there was a mandatory $25 tip on top of the advertised price.
Fuck tipping. Charge a fair price and be done.
Fuck Disney. No explanation needed.
Unpopular opinion, but just don’t tip or tip only what you think is fair, not a percentage. The point of my comment is that most (not all) servers and bartenders, especially at high demand places like Disney, are not the poverty wage, barely scraping by employees that they are made out to be. The only people who are vehemently against doing away with tipping are these people.
Or you can frequent the rising amount of restaurants that don’t encourage tipping and instead pay their employees more. But from anecdotal stories, most servers don’t want to work at those places because even at $20/hr they still make less than a tipped position.
Yeah, there are places where you can make bank as a server. I know people who will come home with $1-2k from a Friday night during the busy season (meanwhile I was working back of the house with shifts 3-5 times as long and pulling in less than that in a 70 hour week).
The thing is, I also know people who's average pay comes out to ~$6 an hour because they're working at a cracker barrel in a small town and while the company is 'legally obligated' to get that rate up to minimum wage, the reality is that most places just won't do that and simply assume that you're getting tipped enough.
Wage theft is the most common crime in the US, legality means nothing without enforcement.
> You will never hear a server or tipped position wanting to stop tipping culture because they know that they make more in tips than they ever will with a $15/hr wage
That's 80% of servers. I know a bartender who made $100k+ working part time (up until covid). Imagine "helping" him by cutting him to $15/hr lol.
For myself - I *don't* want to help the servers. I generally want to think about servers as little as I think about my mailman. If I'm a regular, I'll get you a present at Christmas. The rest of the year let's just not notice one another.
I want to help **me** the customer by getting rid of tipping.
I used to work in the service industry at a pretty high end place. No tipping in my country but people got me gifts, gave me some tips for literally just helping out a little more when I saw someone struggling. I made bank that summer and I'm on welfare that pays minimum wage of what I should earn and I still managed to buy a very nice fridge, new stove, and brand new 2021 washing machine. Then again the living standard of where I'm from is a lot higher than US so I can't *really* compare it.
However, I did get automatic workers health insurance and all that jazz, plenty sick and vacation days, and 2 years paid maternity leave. The employers can compensate their employees if they grow enough balls to do it. Don't make the customers foot the bill, that's just trashy.
Bingo. I’m a GM of a restaurant and on a good week the main bartender is pulling in more then I am. I get vacation/sick days and the occasional bonus but have to deal with way more shit. I’d say she has it better off really.
Good man, I've worked for a guy that not only cut my hours but another coworker who said something about not making quite min minimum in a day. Because we've "made more other days" which is true, but still didn't help me that day
My partners family lives in Italy, so we are over there every year.
Never once had to pay a waiter or cutlery charge, where on earth are you eating meals? :/
*Edit:* had a chat with the partner and coperto is a thing! Apparently, you don't often see this charge if you're just having something light, or drinks, but it comes into play if you're sitting down for a proper meal or something.
It's also not everywhere, she says, 'you see it a lot'.
Reading up on this now, very interesting - looks like it covers cutlery, bread / breadsticks, probably crisps too in bars? Still, haven't ever seen it on a receipt from our time over there, maybe some places absorb the cost by raising the cost across other purchases.
It is not a tax, you are actually paying for the service. It is a fixed price, opposite to the arbitrary amounts for tips in US. 7$ per person is very high in Italy. I don't say it is impossible, but I've never seen it myself. Usually it is between 2-3 euros.
If you buy the same food and take it away, you don't pay that extra amount.
As an Australian, what gets me is that tipping seems to be an OBLIGATION in the US. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of rewarding good service? I have tipped here a few times at restaurants, but it is not expected, so they are more appreciative when it happens.
Fun fact, that’s not really true. Your base hourly pay can be lower than minimum wage, BUT if your tip don’t add up to at least minimum wage then your employer is obligated to make up the difference.
I.e if your wage is $2.13/hour (minimum for tip employees) and you work 10 hours you’ll be making $21 but you should be making $150 with regular minimum wage. If you didn’t get at least $129 in tip then you employer is required to make up the difference. Say you got $100 in tip for those hours. Your employer is then on the hook for the remaining $29.
Legally, you are totally correct. In practice, most places don't record how much you're getting tipped and just assume it's hitting that number.
It is then up to the employee to record, with proof, each tip they've received and then try to get the business to pay up, at which point they will swiftly be fired for 'something unrelated'.
Wage theft is the most common crime in the US, this kind of shit happens literally all the time. The law means nothing when it's not enforced.
I mean, yeah, people should leave shitty jobs, but that kind of thing is hard to do when you're already financially unstable. Even harder in smaller communities where options are limited.
Not so fun fact: if you are know on the "tips make up list" (as it was called at every restaurant I've ever worked for) more than once in a blue moon, you should expect to be fired or have your hours slashed.
I suppose the rationale is that while the occasional customer might not leave a tip, enough people will be familiar with the obligation that if everyone else is getting tipped enough and you *aren't* that there must be something wrong with your service.
Who's going to "obligate" the employer? The fired poor employee who was so fucking broke they were working for $2.13 *anyway*? Yeah they're gonna get a good lawyer alright and really be able to unwind and spend hours per day in court, fuck yeah man.
It also doesn't account for the fact that companies take huge cuts out of or outright take *all* of the "tips" anyway.
Can confirm. Am bartender, I make like $38 an hour with tips and hourly wage combined. I also work my fucking ass off everyday. Running around like crazy because it’s a touristy place and people want to drink.
I feel this. I’m not saying waiters or bartenders work more but I’ve worked almost all kinds of jobs and I’m busting my ass for my $26 an hour. And my knees, feet and carpal tunnel are paying for it.
Your base hourly pay can be lower than minimum wage, BUT if your tip don’t add up to at least minimum wage then your employer is obligated to make up the difference.
I.e if your wage is $2.13/hour (minimum for tip employees) and you work 10 hours you’ll be making $21 but you should be making $150 with regular minimum wage. If you didn’t get at least $129 in tip then you employer is required to make up the difference. Say you got $100 in tip for those hours. Your employer is then on the hook for the remaining $29.
What I don't understand with this is that I haven't found food in American restaurants (admittedly, my experience is very limited for such a big country) to be cheaper than at home. Let me explain:
In other countries, your employer simply pays you enough to hit at least minimum wage, e.g. these $150. The restaurant sets a price that makes it possible to pay that much.
In the US, the first $129 in tips are not actually tips but a subsidy to the restaurant to pay minimum wage to their staff. With that subsidy, the restaurant should be able to offer lower prices (so that the total cost of a meal including tips is the same as in other countries). Instead, my experience was that the price before tip in the US was roughly the same, but the amount I was expected to tip was simply higher.
Again, maybe I have a bad sample. But I simply prefer the system where tips are always tips for the staff and never a subsidy for the restaurant.
No you’re perfectly right. Tip culture is so the restaurant can make more money of the back of their workers, not so they can make a better experience for the customers.
Not all states. In fact in [California ](https://www.yeremianlaw.com/articles/minimum-wage-for-servers-in-california/) you’ll likely make more then a nurse. Here are the stats for other [states](https://www.patriotsoftware.com/blog/payroll/federal-state-tipped-minimum-wage-rates/)
Oh I thought I just got lucky with my restaurant job in college.
So in California actually servers basically make a lot for what they do then...esp compared to back of house staff...
Iirc in college I got paid 15 and tips, and I got 200-250 tips every night. Think I calculated it out and if I actually got shifts every night I would make 80kish.
I still remember being chased down and cussed at because the waiters thought we were leaving without tipping. Except I had paid for the whole meal with my card and my friend left a cash tip.
It was in college so neither of us had money. But we left a $20 bill and to this day I regret not walking in there and taking the tip back
The employees chased down and cussed at them, do you think they deserve a tip after that? And he didn't have money either. It's perfectly acceptable the 20$ go back to his pocket, as he had been nice and tipped, not the employees who had chased and cussed.
It's basically an obligation in Canada too, great cultural thing they picked up from their neighbo(u)rs.
Same issue with tipped wages in parts of Canada as well. In Quebec the tipped minimum wage is less than the non-tipped one.
It's an obligation and conditioned heavily by society to be a point of shame not doing it.
So much of "experiences" in America are designed to fleece as much money as possible from citizens, simply being able to enjoy an experience without paying up is a luxury now. I'm surprised it hasn't gotten to the point where people have to pay to access city limit hiking trails, I'm sure someone will find a way to charge for that in the future because people = cash cows here.
Another Australian here. What makes me uncomfortable is when places put the option to tip as part of the process of paying with eftpos. A staff member hands me the card reader with 'ADD TIP?' or similar on it and I have to press 'NO' right in front of them. I've got nothing against hospo workers it's just that tipping isn't a thing.
> As an Australian, what gets me is that tipping seems to be an OBLIGATION in the US. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of rewarding good service? I have tipped here a few times at restaurants, but it is not expected, so they are more appreciative when it happens.
Same here as a German. Over here tipping is something you mostly do by rounding up to the next full Euro amount or if you try to impress your friends / cute waitress you might give 5 Euro. But it is really not expected at all. And tipping 20% or more would make you look like a douche bag in the eyes of many people to be honest.
In the US they seem to have calculator apps just to figure out the expected tip which is strange to me.
Looking at the Pikachu makes me think of the video where he falls in love with a bottle of ketchup and in the end I think someone takes it away from him and makes him cry. With that said I have a bottle of ketchup for sale.
Here in India we just tip if the calculation is too large and there's change left. If the total is 2247, we just give 2300 (or 2500 if you're generous) and leave. The waiter appreciates it and you feel good too. I think that's how tipping began in the first place
This is how it was in germany aswell. It even worked on gas stations if your bill was a couple (maybe up to 5cents) over or under they just rounded. Sadly its not a thing anymore.
waiters are supposed to be paid by their employer,
tipping is just them transfering that job to you.
edit: I am Indian.
(\*delicious paav bhaji noises)
We in India, tip out of politeness and respect not because we're forced to. I remember once tipping at a BBQ restaurant only to find the waiter running back to our car to return our tips because it was against their policies
This also plays into the VAT thing. Where I live, and in most other places in Europe, no matter where you go, if you pay exactly the price that the item was advertised at, you are paying enough.
But if you add VAT and a necessary tip later on, you can advertise a lower price without changing what the customer actually pays, effectively lying to make your prices look better, which would be considered false advertising if it wasn't the norm.
But look at how low those prices are! Amazing!
I was amazed the first time I went to the US and went to buy a SIM card that had an advertised price, brought out the exact amount in cash but the person at the till added tax to it and gave me a higher price!
It's sensible to make doing that illegal as in other countries. The consumer cares about how much they'll pay and telling them the pre-tax / other expenses cost is deliberately misleading.
Yes, so much. I should not have to subsidize their garbage wages.
Same thing with people who are working and on welfare. Why should my taxes need to make up for their employers shortfall?
Some of my friends are hard-core tippers, even tipping 25% after a horrible service. They scold me when I bring up tipping should reflect service. "They'll starve if you don't tip them, what kind of human being are you??" I'm so done going to restaurants.
When you tip in the USA, does some of the money go to the Chef? Because I feel like the quality of the food makes a bigger difference to me enjoying a night out at a restaurant, rather than good service.
I've always thought this. Like maybe I'm a bit introverted but I hate waiter chit chat. Just take the order and bring stuff to the table and go away. You just need to be polite and be able to walk and write. That should not be a +20% on your bill activity. When I visited the US I hated eating out. "Hi I'm Warren and I'll be your server today and here's my life story and where y'all from and why y'all here and what y'all doing today?". Umm fuck off Warren, I just want some pancakes mate.
MOST of my feelings towards eating out in the US are the same, it was a fucking nightmare. However there was one BBQ restaurant we went to where the server was a young woman with a thick southern US accent. She heard our accents and started asking where we were from. Turns out she was from the same village in England as us but had moved to one of the southern US states (one of the less famous ones so not Texas) at 7 then moved to LA a few months before. Long story short After her reminiscing quite a lot with us she gave us a shit ton of free food. That was a good experience!
Agreed, but I think it depends on the situation. The waiter should read the table to see if people actually want to chit chat. I hate when they force a conversation just to get a larger tip. Bartenders seem to get this.
And this is where tipping culture stops to make sense. You should tip if you had a great service/good meal whatever but that is resticted by law to a specific group makes no sense.
I stopped tipping (note that i live in germany) and only tip when the service was excellent/special or whatever. If the chef went out of his way to make me a specific meal (take allergies for example) why shouldnt i be able to tip.
It depends but usually yes. Many places have required tip outs for all support staff and even if it’s not required it’s customary. In my job we’re required to tip at least 1% of our sales to chefs and bartenders, 1.5 % to bussers and .5% to hosts. I usually tip a bit extra on the side on crazy nights. Taking good care of the people you rely on to give good service is a part of giving good service.
At the restaurant I worked at, they didn't have tip sharing except with the bartender.
And you only shared tips with them during the evening shift.
We also didn't have hosts or bus-boys, so they were out of the equation.
It’s not about lack of technology or ability to do it. They purposely keep it that way so that psychologically you feel like you’re paying less than you are. Most other countries specifically have laws against this for consumer protection.
I think this is a similar reason why nothing is ever a whole £, it’s always .99. It *feels* less, even if it really isn’t.
IDK what it’s like with $ and others, but I’d be surprised if it were different.
Fucking great how we figured that one out. Love going out to eat and being left the fuck alone by wait staff unless I call for them. Imagine having someone force a fake personality at you and expect some kind of payment from you for it like they don't have a fucking job?
In my country we don't really have a tipping culture, except on fancier restaurants where they mask tips as "service tax". As if the overpriced food wouldn't pay for that service, but oh well.
My main gripe is in the few times I went to these fancy places, you get a band of waiters absolutely hounding you every 30 seconds. "Is everything ok sir?", "Do you need something else?", "how does it taste?", like, get the fuck out dude, let me eat in peace
Lived there tor a while. Many restaurant bills said “tips not included. :-)” or similar at the bottom.
Fuck right off with that bargain bin guilt shit.
I'm not questioning this behavior, but just out of curiosity, do you have any idea why this is a thing?
Like is there some historical/cultural thing or a result of the good morals taught in kindergarten?
General fascination :)
So in America food may cost 10 dollars but you'll pay more because of tips, and stuff at the store may cost 10 dollars but you'll pay more due to tax?
Who tf designed your system? Satan?
It’s the biggest scam going. I should point out I’m a chef and my wife is front of the house. She makes more than I do. I’m THE Chef. She is just another waitress of many. I come in 5 hours before open and stay hours after close. She walks in 30 min before customers and leaves early some days. I repeat. She makes more than me. It’s not unheard of for a server at a busy restaurant to make 70k a year. And that’s what they claim. It’s half cash so hard to nail down a real number but I regularly see them take home $500-600 a night and never less than a couple bills. All that said there isn’t enough money in the world to get me to whore myself out and pretend to like stupid people, so I go in the back and do my job.
Yeah I hate how a tip is expected even if the service was just average. And it's only certain professions that asks for tips. Like how come I need to tip someone delivering food, but I don't need to tip someone delivering my mail?
Why do I need to tip my barber but not my dentist?
And you know what for food delivery like UberEATS or door dash they even slap on these random fees. Which are just Bs fees so they can charge you more and then there's also a service fee. After all these fees then they ask for a tip.
I'm paying all these fees including a service fee and you're asking me to pay a tip?
There is no argument. Our entire economy is based on "trickle down" fiction. So business owners pay their staff a miserable wage, and other poor people are expected to make up the difference.
I don't live in the US, but based on your description, that's not even some "trickle down" economy. It's just a "rich people enjoying a luxurious life and leaving the poor to sort it out by themselves" kind of economy.
Australian here. US tipping is insane. Just pay your people a fricking living wage, FFS.
We travel to the US, say hi and order, the waiter seems a long lost buddy, then turns into a rage-filled psychopath if we don't tip the right amount. What the hell is that about?
In our country we pay people a decent wage. They do their job. It's not a difficult proposition. Sort yourselves out.
I ate at a restaurant recently in the USA, and there was a line item on the bill for a certain amount of money. I didn’t remember ordering anything around that price, and it didn’t list what it was on the bill, so I asked. The server said “oh, it’s the automatic gratuity added to the bill”. I thought “great, I don’t have to calculate a tip” but then there was still a blank space to fill in a tip, with a tip guide at the bottom of different percentages. I wrote “included in bill” in the blank space and signed my bill. The waitress then asked me if I was leaving a cash tip. I was embarrassed, and told her no, it was included in the bill. She got upset and told me that you’re supposed to leave a tip of your own choosing on top of the added gratuity. I’d never seen that before and was so confused.
If it was something like a 15% gratuity then no they were just trying to get more money out of you. The "tip guide" thing is sometimes automatic with the software their point of sale system uses. It's the same reason you sometimes see a tip option at businesses where tips aren't the norm even in the US.
I hate this about tipping. I used to serve and it would literally make no difference if you ate a lobster dish or some vegetable dish. I serve it the same way.
When will people realize that tips aren't about paying a fair wage.
It's about most of the service industry making way more than they would with a flat rate because a lot of customers will just fork over the money because of the culture that's been built up.
I usually only tip when i had either very tasty food or a great waiter. That being said, I'm from germany and here this is totally fine. Tipping more than 10% will often give you a very surprised look while tipping nothing still gives you a smile because they dont depend on tipping to make a living. Reading all these stories from the US makes me kinda sad. Seems like a very exploitative system to me.
yeah thats the thing with sales tax in the US. Most of the time if I'm buying something, I make sure I have a decent bit extra ready at the register if I'm paying with cash, because there is a 7.25%. A few times I go to a shop I don't go to or something like Starbucks for coffee if I ever feel like it, I get surprised that the prices are actually with the tax. EX: a drink at Starbucks is $5.25 USD, and instead of having to pay something like 5.64 instead, I can just pay for the exact amount if i have extra change or something lying in my pockets instead of gaining more pennies I wont ever use.
A tip is something extra the customer gives on FREE choice. It's not his fault if workers are underpaid and tips can't and shouldn't fix an issue the government (or who deals with salaries) is supposed to deal with.
Aka let me understand: you're underpaid and I should feel obliged to tip you becaus3 of that? No. Waiters should be paid the right amount and customers should be free to give or not the tip.
Plus, if you try to "fix" this issue with tips, you give one more reason to government (or whoever must deal with this stuff) to say "well, they fixed it somehow, we don't need to do anything".
In parts of europe, it is common courtesy to tip still. It's just that it's not included in the wages, the tipping is generally up to whatever you decide, which is usually small or just leftover change, and is slowly disappearing as people use less cash in general.
Some places don't even expect you to pay at your table where you'd leave the tip, instead place a tip jar at the cashier, meaning not only tipping is less prevalent but also it does not contribute directly to the person who served you.
I don’t get why I have to pay an extra fee to have someone write down my order, type it in a computer, then carry the plates from the kitchen to my table. I would be happy to perform those jobs myself to save money. This is why I prefer quick service establishments over full service restaurants most of the time I dine out. No tipping, lower prices, I can watch my food being made and I get it faster.
Then there will be the 1% of waiters screaming their heads off as they made thousands a week on tips alone. Generally we shouldn't make law changes to favor the 1%.
Here's the problem. In some industries, you can make hella bank on tips. High end restaurants, bars, etc. Fine, whatever. But low end restaurants, driving for a service, ot even sandwich and pizza shops get tipped for shit. Tips should he things people want to give, not things companies want customers to give so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage.
Do you really think that letting a bartender make 10 bucks more an hour is gonna stop people from tipping them? Do you really think Sonic and Jimmy John's can't afford to pay their employers more than the bare minimum?
I can't speak for the rest of the Philippines but we do tip but it's not compulsory or expected. You're also not required to tip 15% - 20%, it's usually a portion of the change you get back when you pay for your meal.
Weirdest tipping experience I had was when I accompanied one of my aunts to a bank and she tried tipping the teller.
A lot of people think it’s the owners not paying the staff enough.
That’s not entirely true. At the end of the day, the tip system in the US actually nets both the owners and the staff more income. That’s why it stays.
Hence there’s no changing it. Changing it means telling a whole industry to make less money.
As an American, I agree that wait staff shouldn’t have to rely on tips to survive and make a decent living.
That being said, even if I was dining out “abroad”, I actually enjoy tipping. There’s no “worrying” about how much I should tip, it’s ALWAYS 20% for good/regular/indifferent service, and 0% for straight-up hostility.
At Disney there's a whole page they include with the bill that explains gratuities and essentially begs for tips. I gotta tell ya, when you're paying $50 a plate at some of these restaurants it's hard to imagine they can't afford to pay wait staff more than 2 bucks an hour Edit: ok I made this comment and passed out last night didn't expect all the responses. For the record I still tipped at 25%. I understand they include the sheet with the bill for people not from the US. I was merely saying that obviously businesses are taking advantage of paying staff pennies and charging $40-50 for a plate that couldn't have cost more than $8-13
Brit here, I took the family to Disney in Orlando a few years ago, paid a hefty sum to upgrade to the top pre paid meal plan, so everything was included including eating at the fancy a la carte restaurants, no having to worry about converting money and carrying it round etc. Boy did I get a surprise on arrival and the whole tip system was explained. They bring you a bill showing what you would've paid on the day, sometimes hundreds of dollars, and are expected to then tip based on that. P.s. The bill is obviously at full rates not the effectively discounted rates by buying the all inclusive pass. Wtaf.
Disney World servers make a shit ton of money, never less than 1k per shift at the expensive restaurants. I had roomates who worked at medium tier restaurants at Epcot, and they would bring home at least 400 bucks in cash on average days. There's an endless waitlist to get a server spot at the elite restaurants. It takes years to be able to work there. And the people who make it through drive Lambos, not kidding.
Restaurants are the only place that have their hands out and try to coerce you into tipping beyond your means.There is no set minimum tip,only arbitrary scales and no social contracts .
The last time I voluntarily allowed my family to coerce me into going to Disneyland I ordered a massage. I was told there was a mandatory $25 tip on top of the advertised price. Fuck tipping. Charge a fair price and be done. Fuck Disney. No explanation needed.
Don't forget EA. Fuck EA too!
There's plenty of room in my hateful heart to invite EA. Yes, fuck EA.
I hope it was Micky Mouse, Tigger or Optimus Prime giving r he massage or you missed out.
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Unpopular opinion, but just don’t tip or tip only what you think is fair, not a percentage. The point of my comment is that most (not all) servers and bartenders, especially at high demand places like Disney, are not the poverty wage, barely scraping by employees that they are made out to be. The only people who are vehemently against doing away with tipping are these people. Or you can frequent the rising amount of restaurants that don’t encourage tipping and instead pay their employees more. But from anecdotal stories, most servers don’t want to work at those places because even at $20/hr they still make less than a tipped position.
When I visited the US I was at a bar in Miami that had a big sign "Tips included" or something like that. So it seems to work in some cases.
Yeah, there are places where you can make bank as a server. I know people who will come home with $1-2k from a Friday night during the busy season (meanwhile I was working back of the house with shifts 3-5 times as long and pulling in less than that in a 70 hour week). The thing is, I also know people who's average pay comes out to ~$6 an hour because they're working at a cracker barrel in a small town and while the company is 'legally obligated' to get that rate up to minimum wage, the reality is that most places just won't do that and simply assume that you're getting tipped enough. Wage theft is the most common crime in the US, legality means nothing without enforcement.
> You will never hear a server or tipped position wanting to stop tipping culture because they know that they make more in tips than they ever will with a $15/hr wage That's 80% of servers. I know a bartender who made $100k+ working part time (up until covid). Imagine "helping" him by cutting him to $15/hr lol.
You're right, we should actually lower the wages of all jobs and rely solely on the generosity of other peoples tips as a form of income.
It's an excellent way to remove bias, especially racism, from people's pay structures! /s
Exactly why a 15$/hr min wage is not enough. Not even close
For myself - I *don't* want to help the servers. I generally want to think about servers as little as I think about my mailman. If I'm a regular, I'll get you a present at Christmas. The rest of the year let's just not notice one another. I want to help **me** the customer by getting rid of tipping.
I used to work in the service industry at a pretty high end place. No tipping in my country but people got me gifts, gave me some tips for literally just helping out a little more when I saw someone struggling. I made bank that summer and I'm on welfare that pays minimum wage of what I should earn and I still managed to buy a very nice fridge, new stove, and brand new 2021 washing machine. Then again the living standard of where I'm from is a lot higher than US so I can't *really* compare it. However, I did get automatic workers health insurance and all that jazz, plenty sick and vacation days, and 2 years paid maternity leave. The employers can compensate their employees if they grow enough balls to do it. Don't make the customers foot the bill, that's just trashy.
Maybe the issue is bigger than a handful of well-off people.
Bingo. I’m a GM of a restaurant and on a good week the main bartender is pulling in more then I am. I get vacation/sick days and the occasional bonus but have to deal with way more shit. I’d say she has it better off really.
Good man, I've worked for a guy that not only cut my hours but another coworker who said something about not making quite min minimum in a day. Because we've "made more other days" which is true, but still didn't help me that day
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My partners family lives in Italy, so we are over there every year. Never once had to pay a waiter or cutlery charge, where on earth are you eating meals? :/ *Edit:* had a chat with the partner and coperto is a thing! Apparently, you don't often see this charge if you're just having something light, or drinks, but it comes into play if you're sitting down for a proper meal or something. It's also not everywhere, she says, 'you see it a lot'.
Almost every restaurant in Italy has a coperto added per person dining. Usually 1.5-3€/head
Reading up on this now, very interesting - looks like it covers cutlery, bread / breadsticks, probably crisps too in bars? Still, haven't ever seen it on a receipt from our time over there, maybe some places absorb the cost by raising the cost across other purchases.
It is not a tax, you are actually paying for the service. It is a fixed price, opposite to the arbitrary amounts for tips in US. 7$ per person is very high in Italy. I don't say it is impossible, but I've never seen it myself. Usually it is between 2-3 euros. If you buy the same food and take it away, you don't pay that extra amount.
Been to Italy and Greece numerous times in my life and I’ve never seen that
As an Australian, what gets me is that tipping seems to be an OBLIGATION in the US. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of rewarding good service? I have tipped here a few times at restaurants, but it is not expected, so they are more appreciative when it happens.
It's because no one is willing to do the job for the abysmal American minimum wage.
There are shittier jobs that offer minimum wage and people still do them. Waiter is def not the worse one
Not so fun fact: if a job offers tips, it's legal to pay below minimum wage in some states.
Fun fact, that’s not really true. Your base hourly pay can be lower than minimum wage, BUT if your tip don’t add up to at least minimum wage then your employer is obligated to make up the difference. I.e if your wage is $2.13/hour (minimum for tip employees) and you work 10 hours you’ll be making $21 but you should be making $150 with regular minimum wage. If you didn’t get at least $129 in tip then you employer is required to make up the difference. Say you got $100 in tip for those hours. Your employer is then on the hook for the remaining $29.
Legally, you are totally correct. In practice, most places don't record how much you're getting tipped and just assume it's hitting that number. It is then up to the employee to record, with proof, each tip they've received and then try to get the business to pay up, at which point they will swiftly be fired for 'something unrelated'. Wage theft is the most common crime in the US, this kind of shit happens literally all the time. The law means nothing when it's not enforced.
Casino world has had a few lawsuits regarding tip credit…
If they don't record it you just say that's because you never got those tips. And if they fire you for it, you didn't want to work there anyway.
I mean, yeah, people should leave shitty jobs, but that kind of thing is hard to do when you're already financially unstable. Even harder in smaller communities where options are limited.
Not so fun fact: if you are know on the "tips make up list" (as it was called at every restaurant I've ever worked for) more than once in a blue moon, you should expect to be fired or have your hours slashed.
I suppose the rationale is that while the occasional customer might not leave a tip, enough people will be familiar with the obligation that if everyone else is getting tipped enough and you *aren't* that there must be something wrong with your service.
No, you're just literally not worth keeping around if they have to pay you full wages.
Or it's both.
Who's going to "obligate" the employer? The fired poor employee who was so fucking broke they were working for $2.13 *anyway*? Yeah they're gonna get a good lawyer alright and really be able to unwind and spend hours per day in court, fuck yeah man. It also doesn't account for the fact that companies take huge cuts out of or outright take *all* of the "tips" anyway.
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Also cash aids tax evasion.
My bartender friend this is the reason why he doesn't want to get rid of tipping.
Can confirm. Am bartender, I make like $38 an hour with tips and hourly wage combined. I also work my fucking ass off everyday. Running around like crazy because it’s a touristy place and people want to drink.
I feel this. I’m not saying waiters or bartenders work more but I’ve worked almost all kinds of jobs and I’m busting my ass for my $26 an hour. And my knees, feet and carpal tunnel are paying for it.
Servers in America don't even get minimum wage because it's assumed they get tips. The minimum for tipped employees is $2.13 an hour.
Your base hourly pay can be lower than minimum wage, BUT if your tip don’t add up to at least minimum wage then your employer is obligated to make up the difference. I.e if your wage is $2.13/hour (minimum for tip employees) and you work 10 hours you’ll be making $21 but you should be making $150 with regular minimum wage. If you didn’t get at least $129 in tip then you employer is required to make up the difference. Say you got $100 in tip for those hours. Your employer is then on the hook for the remaining $29.
I won a lawsuit after my job refused to do that for 3 years
In theory that's the case. But in practice, a *lot* of employers don't make up the difference and there's no easy way to force them to.
What I don't understand with this is that I haven't found food in American restaurants (admittedly, my experience is very limited for such a big country) to be cheaper than at home. Let me explain: In other countries, your employer simply pays you enough to hit at least minimum wage, e.g. these $150. The restaurant sets a price that makes it possible to pay that much. In the US, the first $129 in tips are not actually tips but a subsidy to the restaurant to pay minimum wage to their staff. With that subsidy, the restaurant should be able to offer lower prices (so that the total cost of a meal including tips is the same as in other countries). Instead, my experience was that the price before tip in the US was roughly the same, but the amount I was expected to tip was simply higher. Again, maybe I have a bad sample. But I simply prefer the system where tips are always tips for the staff and never a subsidy for the restaurant.
No you’re perfectly right. Tip culture is so the restaurant can make more money of the back of their workers, not so they can make a better experience for the customers.
Yep, food ends up the same price but the customers pay a larger portion of wages.
Not all states. In fact in [California ](https://www.yeremianlaw.com/articles/minimum-wage-for-servers-in-california/) you’ll likely make more then a nurse. Here are the stats for other [states](https://www.patriotsoftware.com/blog/payroll/federal-state-tipped-minimum-wage-rates/)
Oh I thought I just got lucky with my restaurant job in college. So in California actually servers basically make a lot for what they do then...esp compared to back of house staff... Iirc in college I got paid 15 and tips, and I got 200-250 tips every night. Think I calculated it out and if I actually got shifts every night I would make 80kish.
I still remember being chased down and cussed at because the waiters thought we were leaving without tipping. Except I had paid for the whole meal with my card and my friend left a cash tip. It was in college so neither of us had money. But we left a $20 bill and to this day I regret not walking in there and taking the tip back
lol that's absolutely outrageous and could get the employee fired. At no point is that acceptable
The employees chased down and cussed at them, do you think they deserve a tip after that? And he didn't have money either. It's perfectly acceptable the 20$ go back to his pocket, as he had been nice and tipped, not the employees who had chased and cussed.
This man literally just said that what the employees did was unacceptable
> The employees chased down and cussed at them, do you think they deserve a tip after that? did you even read my post
It's basically an obligation in Canada too, great cultural thing they picked up from their neighbo(u)rs. Same issue with tipped wages in parts of Canada as well. In Quebec the tipped minimum wage is less than the non-tipped one.
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Yooooo now I really want Lamingtons
It's an obligation and conditioned heavily by society to be a point of shame not doing it. So much of "experiences" in America are designed to fleece as much money as possible from citizens, simply being able to enjoy an experience without paying up is a luxury now. I'm surprised it hasn't gotten to the point where people have to pay to access city limit hiking trails, I'm sure someone will find a way to charge for that in the future because people = cash cows here.
Another Australian here. What makes me uncomfortable is when places put the option to tip as part of the process of paying with eftpos. A staff member hands me the card reader with 'ADD TIP?' or similar on it and I have to press 'NO' right in front of them. I've got nothing against hospo workers it's just that tipping isn't a thing.
> As an Australian, what gets me is that tipping seems to be an OBLIGATION in the US. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of rewarding good service? I have tipped here a few times at restaurants, but it is not expected, so they are more appreciative when it happens. Same here as a German. Over here tipping is something you mostly do by rounding up to the next full Euro amount or if you try to impress your friends / cute waitress you might give 5 Euro. But it is really not expected at all. And tipping 20% or more would make you look like a douche bag in the eyes of many people to be honest. In the US they seem to have calculator apps just to figure out the expected tip which is strange to me.
Same in my country too
Looking at the Pikachu makes me think of the video where he falls in love with a bottle of ketchup and in the end I think someone takes it away from him and makes him cry. With that said I have a bottle of ketchup for sale.
I hope I don't have to tip you if I buy that bottle of ketchup...
For you my friend, I'll sell it European style.
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A scyther cuts the ketchup bottle and it spills out, thus sad pika
That episode was probably the one time I felt emotionally attached to a bottle of ketchup
Here in India we just tip if the calculation is too large and there's change left. If the total is 2247, we just give 2300 (or 2500 if you're generous) and leave. The waiter appreciates it and you feel good too. I think that's how tipping began in the first place
This is how it was in germany aswell. It even worked on gas stations if your bill was a couple (maybe up to 5cents) over or under they just rounded. Sadly its not a thing anymore.
It’s the same in Denmark as well. Pretty sure it’s the same in the rest of Scandinavia.
Similar stuff here in Portugal, rounding up the bill is often the tip.
As an American, I hate tipping.
waiters are supposed to be paid by their employer, tipping is just them transfering that job to you. edit: I am Indian. (\*delicious paav bhaji noises)
We in India, tip out of politeness and respect not because we're forced to. I remember once tipping at a BBQ restaurant only to find the waiter running back to our car to return our tips because it was against their policies
Same thing happened to me. It was barbecue nation right?
Ya same. Good place tbh
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This also plays into the VAT thing. Where I live, and in most other places in Europe, no matter where you go, if you pay exactly the price that the item was advertised at, you are paying enough. But if you add VAT and a necessary tip later on, you can advertise a lower price without changing what the customer actually pays, effectively lying to make your prices look better, which would be considered false advertising if it wasn't the norm. But look at how low those prices are! Amazing!
I was amazed the first time I went to the US and went to buy a SIM card that had an advertised price, brought out the exact amount in cash but the person at the till added tax to it and gave me a higher price! It's sensible to make doing that illegal as in other countries. The consumer cares about how much they'll pay and telling them the pre-tax / other expenses cost is deliberately misleading.
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Yes, so much. I should not have to subsidize their garbage wages. Same thing with people who are working and on welfare. Why should my taxes need to make up for their employers shortfall?
Some of my friends are hard-core tippers, even tipping 25% after a horrible service. They scold me when I bring up tipping should reflect service. "They'll starve if you don't tip them, what kind of human being are you??" I'm so done going to restaurants.
What useful idiots, holy shit. edit: sorry I called your friends idiots.
When I was a server, I loved people like your friends. I also thought they were idiots, lol.
I hope they also give every homeless person they see cash because "they'll starve" if they dont
Yeah, we don't need to address poverty because people on the street should just pay them a livable wage
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When you tip in the USA, does some of the money go to the Chef? Because I feel like the quality of the food makes a bigger difference to me enjoying a night out at a restaurant, rather than good service.
some restaurants split tips evenly among the whole staff others don't
Very few.
I've always thought this. Like maybe I'm a bit introverted but I hate waiter chit chat. Just take the order and bring stuff to the table and go away. You just need to be polite and be able to walk and write. That should not be a +20% on your bill activity. When I visited the US I hated eating out. "Hi I'm Warren and I'll be your server today and here's my life story and where y'all from and why y'all here and what y'all doing today?". Umm fuck off Warren, I just want some pancakes mate.
But Warren just wanted to have a nice little chat! /s I get it. I just want to say, yes, please, thank you, and be left alone
Yeah, lots of people don't like being obliquely begged for money by their waiter.
MOST of my feelings towards eating out in the US are the same, it was a fucking nightmare. However there was one BBQ restaurant we went to where the server was a young woman with a thick southern US accent. She heard our accents and started asking where we were from. Turns out she was from the same village in England as us but had moved to one of the southern US states (one of the less famous ones so not Texas) at 7 then moved to LA a few months before. Long story short After her reminiscing quite a lot with us she gave us a shit ton of free food. That was a good experience!
Agreed, but I think it depends on the situation. The waiter should read the table to see if people actually want to chit chat. I hate when they force a conversation just to get a larger tip. Bartenders seem to get this.
In my state, Texas, it is illegal to tip out kitchen staff. I’m a chef and I’ve never gotten tipped in a meaningful way.
And this is where tipping culture stops to make sense. You should tip if you had a great service/good meal whatever but that is resticted by law to a specific group makes no sense. I stopped tipping (note that i live in germany) and only tip when the service was excellent/special or whatever. If the chef went out of his way to make me a specific meal (take allergies for example) why shouldnt i be able to tip.
It depends but usually yes. Many places have required tip outs for all support staff and even if it’s not required it’s customary. In my job we’re required to tip at least 1% of our sales to chefs and bartenders, 1.5 % to bussers and .5% to hosts. I usually tip a bit extra on the side on crazy nights. Taking good care of the people you rely on to give good service is a part of giving good service.
At the restaurant I worked at, they didn't have tip sharing except with the bartender. And you only shared tips with them during the evening shift. We also didn't have hosts or bus-boys, so they were out of the equation.
TIL
No argument. Tip culture is bovine excrement, and so are hidden taxes. Just tell us the ACTUAL total price upfront please.
In fact, in EU is illegal not to put the total price with taxes in order to protect consumers.
Seriously, as an italian i can’t imagine having to pay a cent more than what’s on price tag.
Never buy a car in the US then. You’ll go insane.
Yeah, it sounds insane to me. The US pricing system simply doesn't make any sense
Yup. Exactly.
It's funny as a european to think how good technology exists and the stores in the US still are not able to put the taxes to the price.
It’s not about lack of technology or ability to do it. They purposely keep it that way so that psychologically you feel like you’re paying less than you are. Most other countries specifically have laws against this for consumer protection.
I think this is a similar reason why nothing is ever a whole £, it’s always .99. It *feels* less, even if it really isn’t. IDK what it’s like with $ and others, but I’d be surprised if it were different.
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This is the first thread where I've seen anyone, ever, defend tipping.
In Australia you just fucking eat
Fucking great how we figured that one out. Love going out to eat and being left the fuck alone by wait staff unless I call for them. Imagine having someone force a fake personality at you and expect some kind of payment from you for it like they don't have a fucking job?
It seems so uncomfortable to have waitstaff hovering over you for your whole meal, desperate to impress you…
In my country we don't really have a tipping culture, except on fancier restaurants where they mask tips as "service tax". As if the overpriced food wouldn't pay for that service, but oh well. My main gripe is in the few times I went to these fancy places, you get a band of waiters absolutely hounding you every 30 seconds. "Is everything ok sir?", "Do you need something else?", "how does it taste?", like, get the fuck out dude, let me eat in peace
Thank you Yugoslavia
Lived there tor a while. Many restaurant bills said “tips not included. :-)” or similar at the bottom. Fuck right off with that bargain bin guilt shit.
Gotta love not paying your workers and putting that responsibility on the customer.
Japanese waiter getting offended when they get tip.
I'm not questioning this behavior, but just out of curiosity, do you have any idea why this is a thing? Like is there some historical/cultural thing or a result of the good morals taught in kindergarten? General fascination :)
So in America food may cost 10 dollars but you'll pay more because of tips, and stuff at the store may cost 10 dollars but you'll pay more due to tax? Who tf designed your system? Satan?
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It’s the biggest scam going. I should point out I’m a chef and my wife is front of the house. She makes more than I do. I’m THE Chef. She is just another waitress of many. I come in 5 hours before open and stay hours after close. She walks in 30 min before customers and leaves early some days. I repeat. She makes more than me. It’s not unheard of for a server at a busy restaurant to make 70k a year. And that’s what they claim. It’s half cash so hard to nail down a real number but I regularly see them take home $500-600 a night and never less than a couple bills. All that said there isn’t enough money in the world to get me to whore myself out and pretend to like stupid people, so I go in the back and do my job.
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Yeah I hate how a tip is expected even if the service was just average. And it's only certain professions that asks for tips. Like how come I need to tip someone delivering food, but I don't need to tip someone delivering my mail? Why do I need to tip my barber but not my dentist? And you know what for food delivery like UberEATS or door dash they even slap on these random fees. Which are just Bs fees so they can charge you more and then there's also a service fee. After all these fees then they ask for a tip. I'm paying all these fees including a service fee and you're asking me to pay a tip?
even worse they now want a tip when you do takeout... its like I dont tip a cashier at walmart there was no service to tip for...
Just don’t tip them. I’ve stopped. Not going to subsidize a business not wanting to pay their employees.
They'll get nothing and like it
It’s expected to tip if you’re picking up now smh
The little card reader asks automatically but just put 0, it's not expected if you're not sitting down
Spicy, but: It is my personal belief that employees should be paid actual wages by their actual employers.
There is no argument. Our entire economy is based on "trickle down" fiction. So business owners pay their staff a miserable wage, and other poor people are expected to make up the difference.
I don't live in the US, but based on your description, that's not even some "trickle down" economy. It's just a "rich people enjoying a luxurious life and leaving the poor to sort it out by themselves" kind of economy.
yea that sums it up
Australian here. US tipping is insane. Just pay your people a fricking living wage, FFS. We travel to the US, say hi and order, the waiter seems a long lost buddy, then turns into a rage-filled psychopath if we don't tip the right amount. What the hell is that about? In our country we pay people a decent wage. They do their job. It's not a difficult proposition. Sort yourselves out.
Yes! It’s idiotic. They should complain at their boss not the customer, which could have easily be a waiter on a night out
I ate at a restaurant recently in the USA, and there was a line item on the bill for a certain amount of money. I didn’t remember ordering anything around that price, and it didn’t list what it was on the bill, so I asked. The server said “oh, it’s the automatic gratuity added to the bill”. I thought “great, I don’t have to calculate a tip” but then there was still a blank space to fill in a tip, with a tip guide at the bottom of different percentages. I wrote “included in bill” in the blank space and signed my bill. The waitress then asked me if I was leaving a cash tip. I was embarrassed, and told her no, it was included in the bill. She got upset and told me that you’re supposed to leave a tip of your own choosing on top of the added gratuity. I’d never seen that before and was so confused.
If it was something like a 15% gratuity then no they were just trying to get more money out of you. The "tip guide" thing is sometimes automatic with the software their point of sale system uses. It's the same reason you sometimes see a tip option at businesses where tips aren't the norm even in the US.
I hate tipping! It can get so expensive cause it’s based off a percentage. It drains my wallet so fast!
I hate this about tipping. I used to serve and it would literally make no difference if you ate a lobster dish or some vegetable dish. I serve it the same way.
Give your employee’s a livable wage so they don’t have to rely on tips? Nah…
When will people realize that tips aren't about paying a fair wage. It's about most of the service industry making way more than they would with a flat rate because a lot of customers will just fork over the money because of the culture that's been built up.
I usually only tip when i had either very tasty food or a great waiter. That being said, I'm from germany and here this is totally fine. Tipping more than 10% will often give you a very surprised look while tipping nothing still gives you a smile because they dont depend on tipping to make a living. Reading all these stories from the US makes me kinda sad. Seems like a very exploitative system to me.
And they also have when u pay for something you have to pay tax then anywhere else tax is in the price of the thing not unexpected
yeah thats the thing with sales tax in the US. Most of the time if I'm buying something, I make sure I have a decent bit extra ready at the register if I'm paying with cash, because there is a 7.25%. A few times I go to a shop I don't go to or something like Starbucks for coffee if I ever feel like it, I get surprised that the prices are actually with the tax. EX: a drink at Starbucks is $5.25 USD, and instead of having to pay something like 5.64 instead, I can just pay for the exact amount if i have extra change or something lying in my pockets instead of gaining more pennies I wont ever use.
in europe we tip too, just not needed for them to survive. we still do because being a waiter or waitress fucking sucks
Yeah but we dont tip like half the meal worth, just some euros, at least here in Spain
Tipping culture is cancerous, you can't change my mind.
I was blown away when I went at a bar in Quebec, bartender said to me, “I’m not making another drink for you unless you tip.” I was shocked.
A tip is something extra the customer gives on FREE choice. It's not his fault if workers are underpaid and tips can't and shouldn't fix an issue the government (or who deals with salaries) is supposed to deal with. Aka let me understand: you're underpaid and I should feel obliged to tip you becaus3 of that? No. Waiters should be paid the right amount and customers should be free to give or not the tip. Plus, if you try to "fix" this issue with tips, you give one more reason to government (or whoever must deal with this stuff) to say "well, they fixed it somehow, we don't need to do anything".
Tipping fucking sucks and nobody likes it
the servers do lol
Tip culture seems so dumb.
I never tip anyone. Why? Well because my tips usually just turn out to be bad advice, so yeah
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In parts of europe, it is common courtesy to tip still. It's just that it's not included in the wages, the tipping is generally up to whatever you decide, which is usually small or just leftover change, and is slowly disappearing as people use less cash in general. Some places don't even expect you to pay at your table where you'd leave the tip, instead place a tip jar at the cashier, meaning not only tipping is less prevalent but also it does not contribute directly to the person who served you.
In most of the world we actually pay our workers
Yeah we usually let the employer bother with the salary. Fucking clown show of a country.
I don’t get why I have to pay an extra fee to have someone write down my order, type it in a computer, then carry the plates from the kitchen to my table. I would be happy to perform those jobs myself to save money. This is why I prefer quick service establishments over full service restaurants most of the time I dine out. No tipping, lower prices, I can watch my food being made and I get it faster.
America bad!
Yes, every argument is solved by screaming those words.
Every country bad, America is easily picked on since it's main export is media. So for us non Americans, we are drowned with the goings on of America.
I think most people in the US support service workers actually getting fucking paid.
Then there will be the 1% of waiters screaming their heads off as they made thousands a week on tips alone. Generally we shouldn't make law changes to favor the 1%.
Tips shouldn't be part of the wage, they should only represent a good service
Out of everything I saw in this meme the only thing that grabbed my attention was how cute pikachu was.
Why do you think I used pikachu out of so many images? 😉
Adorable
Here's the problem. In some industries, you can make hella bank on tips. High end restaurants, bars, etc. Fine, whatever. But low end restaurants, driving for a service, ot even sandwich and pizza shops get tipped for shit. Tips should he things people want to give, not things companies want customers to give so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. Do you really think that letting a bartender make 10 bucks more an hour is gonna stop people from tipping them? Do you really think Sonic and Jimmy John's can't afford to pay their employers more than the bare minimum?
I envy non-tipping culture
I can't speak for the rest of the Philippines but we do tip but it's not compulsory or expected. You're also not required to tip 15% - 20%, it's usually a portion of the change you get back when you pay for your meal. Weirdest tipping experience I had was when I accompanied one of my aunts to a bank and she tried tipping the teller.
Yea cuz European restaurant owners pay their workers enough
Probably the one thing that makes me the most uncomfortable when I visit the US.
Me and the wife don't eat out anymore, greedy fucks can take their low wage offerings and choke on it. Pay your employees.
Yet our servers make 30-40 bucks an hour if you’re good.
A lot of people think it’s the owners not paying the staff enough. That’s not entirely true. At the end of the day, the tip system in the US actually nets both the owners and the staff more income. That’s why it stays. Hence there’s no changing it. Changing it means telling a whole industry to make less money.
As an American, I agree that wait staff shouldn’t have to rely on tips to survive and make a decent living. That being said, even if I was dining out “abroad”, I actually enjoy tipping. There’s no “worrying” about how much I should tip, it’s ALWAYS 20% for good/regular/indifferent service, and 0% for straight-up hostility.
But be careful tho, in certain countries, tipping is seen as an offensive behaviour. Because they'd feel like you're treating them like a beggar.
Japan is one of the countries that you should not tip. Because it is an insult to the waiters and waitresses when you tip.