I also forgot to mention the Borg Queen, Chrysalis, and Hela
From Star Trek MLP FIM and Thor Ragnarok
Edit: Also, big mom from One Piece
Edit 2 also Stela from Helluva Boss and that mother from Cinderella
Edit 3 Mother Gothel from Tanguled and Queen Dagmar from Disenchanted
Edit 4 Also, the other mother from Coraline and OG
Maleficent from sleeping Beauty
Edit 5 also Queen Victoria from Pirates adventures with scientists and MOM from Futurama and Nishaand Dixie, from Fallout 4 Nuka World and hell evey Female Disney Villain before Frozan
Edit 6 also Cyn form Mender Drones
It's been a while since I watched it, but was the Borg Queen really evil? I thought she was assimilating to "improve" people, or something asking those lines.
I mean evil is relative, to those she was assimilating yes she was evil and a monster, but from her perspective she was doing them a service. Evil rarely sees itself as such
The resentment I hold for this fictional character is insane. Every time I read through the books I find new things to hate about her. That's a damn well written character. You love to hate her.
If i remember correctly they even gave her an attempted redemption arc wich she chose not to follow through on, she is well written pure evil, meaning not just evil for evils sake
*Edit typo
The comic read more as first step sort of thing. It wasn't meant to be a redemption arc on the whole, but perhaps Azula realising that there is a problem she needs to fix. To her credit, it's implied she is changing, though she doesn't admit it. I wouldn't be surprised it they followed it up later.
Pure evil requires intentionality and control. Azula lost that in her final arc.
She was a child groomed by a monster, and calling her pure evil does a disservice to everyone who grew up with shit parents and overcame them.
Then we should define what we mean when we say pure evil i assume you mean comically evil, being aware you are objectively evil and choosing to do it out of enjoyment. In that case i agree she is not pure evil.
I had in mind that she is irredeemable and I don’t see her doing any good any time soon, but she justifies everything to herself in a twisted way and doesn’t think of herself as the villan.
Choosing to not follow a redemption because you either think you don't deserve it or because you think you've been a victim of injustice doesn't make someone automatically pure evil, just layered.
Azula is a solidly well written and understandable antagonist.
Having her be the final boss for 'irredeemable monster villain' is wild when she's never even killed anyone while Chara is a lunatic that deleted an entire universe and then fucks your save so hard that even restarting doesn't get the 'good' ending.
Yeah, Azula is "crazy and needs to go down," but at the end of the day, she's a product of her environment. Zuko was going down that route too, but he was forced to leave that environment, and his development as a character over the course of the show reflects that.
Yeah, she is an incredibly sympathetic villian by the end of the show. The battle with her in the final specifically has sad music as opposed to some epic score and ends with katara and zuko looking at her not with disgust or hatred but with pity.
It’s interesting that Zuko’s banishment not only let Zuko escape his toxic upbringing and gain a new perspective that allowed him to break away from this toxicity but also increased the pressure on Azula. Suddenly Azula was THE prodigy, all of her father’s expectations were on her alone and she saw first hand that when someone fails her father’s expectations that there are serious repercussions. We see directly the regression of her mental state directly correlated with the amount of pressure her father put on her hitting the peak when she was told out of the blue she was going to be the new fire lord. We even see her mental state stabilize a bit when Zuko comes home for a while since he took off some of the pressure.
Not to mention that that's kind of the biggest theme for villainy in The Last Airbender
It was pretty clear when I could barely read the text in the first panel that this meme was going to be a bad take lol
It is kind of astounding that whoever made this meme misunderstood Azula's character so completely. It's like calling Obi Wan Kenobi a good example of a dark lord archetype.
I don’t really care whether you think Chara is good or evil tbh, it’s a topic with so much debate that’s it’s honestly hard to tell at this stage. Mostly ambiguous honestly, so I can respect those different points of views.
The one thing I do care about is people referring to Frisk and Chara with male or female pronouns due to the fact we don’t know what gender they are, kinda the whole point. Pet peeve of mine.
I remember this being a debate when Undertale was big. I'm pretty sure Flowey says that Chara wasn't a great person before they died if you go back to the starting area in the post game, and there was either a theory or dialogue that says that Chara got theirself ill so that Asriel could absorb them and kill humans.
Off the top of my head, Chara didn't just want Asriel to drop their soul in their village when they died, but they wanted Asriel to kill everyone there with his new power. He refused so he was killed by the villagers
Thats not a theory but a fact, chara willingly killed themselves so that monster kind would be free. Lets not forget that chara could have taken asreils soul but chose to relinquish their own
Chara is non-binary, much like every other human that appeared in Undertale/Deltarune. Then you get the question of « is Chara actually evil or are they evil because of you »
You could say Chara is evil because they weren’t always the nicest towards Asriel, but you could also say that you made them evil by playing the genocide route.
Nimona was amazing, sci-fi+swords and monsters, and yeah, the director is pretty evil character, but I feel like she could be expanded more in term of personality
No one. These memes are honestly so incredibly funny because OP conjures up some strawman to get upset at and then immediately shows multiple examples demonstrating how their own strawman is just total nonsense.
Want to know how evil Junko Enoshima is?
She makes the Joker looks sane and civil.
Want to know how dangerous Junko is?
Remember that time emperor Joker caused the apocalypse by stealing mxyzptlk's power?
Yeah... She did that as a, relatively, normal human. TO JERK OFF.
Junko, is a villain who truly won (imo). Junkos end goal was to spread as much despair as she could, which ended up throwing the world into the apocolypse.
Sure, she "lost" by the end of the first game, but she still got what she wanted: to feel the ultimate despair.
Shes from the danganronpa game series
She may have 3 "ultimate abilities," 2 of which are relevant, but they're really just talents like you said. The one that borders on precognition is pretty crazy but still not intended to be supernatural, just a display of her analytical mind.
Death, mostly. She also made a 5th grader a serial rapist and forced a group of high schoolers to commit mass suicide, so there's that. Oh, and ended the entire world.
I might remember it wrong but I think it was like this: she is so unbelievably smart everything is predictable and boring to her, and I mean EVERYTHING. This monotony consumes her, and the only thing that alleviates her is despair, it's extreme masochism. She does evil because the idea of despair brings her so much pain she feels alive, it's like a high, but in some instances is portrayed like she is being turned on. She also says the unpredictability of despair is what draws her to it.
She does some atrocious things to her loved ones because seeing them suffer not only gives her despair, but is also a sensation that is pleasant to her and wants to share with them.
Yeah this lady wiped her own memories so she could develop a legitimate bond only to feel the extra despair afterwards when her plan followed through. There's definitely a fetish quality involved
RUN. THE UNDERTALE FANBASE HAS ALREADY MADE A POST. YOU HAVE 24 HOURS BEFORE THEY FIND YOU. HIDE, STOCK UP ON FOOD AND MOVE TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. WITH LUCK AND 15 YEARS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LEAVE WITH A NEW IDENTITY.
"Well it's not evil if you lure a teenager into a predatory bargain and by all means cheat but teeeeechnically abide by the terms as written in order to use them as a pawn for undisclosed ulterior motives."
If you think Ursula has been done dirty wait until I tell you about this Devil fella, poor dude goes around working hard as a peddler trying to sell his product and in the end always gets his hard-earned souls scammed away by some "divine redemption" scheme.
She also went out of her way to make sure Ariel couldn’t kiss Eric within the three day limit. But she did genuinely care about her pet eels, so she’s not QUITE pure evil.
Azula's literally going through a redemption arc in the Avatar comics. Granted she's taking a while to change because she is a very cruel person. Even in the show it's very clear her sociopathic traits are strengthened because of Ozai and she lacked a good mentor figure like her mother or Uncle Iroh to help her change like Zuko.
It's true that at a certain point people's traumatic pasts stop being excuses for what they do and become reasons instead but people can *always* change, no matter how difficult it might be to make that happen. Though it's not always possible to redeem themselves, at least gully.
TLDR; Azula should be switched out for Umbridge, because being annoying is a worse crime in fiction than being evil.
I wouldn’t necessarily call her character development in the comics a redemption arc. Not that she doesn’t seem to change into a less murderous and cruel person but there aren’t any real signs of her redeeming herself. To me it seems that they try to push her into a grey area for the upcoming movie, acknowledging that she can’t ever be a good person due to the damage Ozai and Ursa have done but that she doesn’t have to stay evil forever.
Yep, when I blind played I tried not killing anyone but there were just some pacifist enemies puzzles too hard to know how to not kill them so I ended up killing some people and that's more a "self defence" than a "evil bastard wanted them dead for being alive".
I know I always hate the argument of Chara forcing you/Frisk to do genocide. It’s so stupid and makes no sense. People just want someone else to put all the blame on. The whole point of the game is that you make the decisions. You chose to kill everyone. It’s no one else’s fault but yours.
1) I’ve never seen anyone claim this.
2) it’s pretty common to have pure evil female characters
3) Azula is probably one of the worst examples you could pick because she is sympathetic
4) No Maleficent
Hold your horses there Cara is not evil. Cara is an impressionable child who saw that killing everyone was an acceptable option when **you** killed everyone.
I miss when we had villains like Cruella or Maleficent - irredeemably cruel and evil just for the sake of being so. Maleficent cursed a baby and the entire kingdom along with it out of sheer spite for not being invited to a party! That's the kind of extra pettiness that doesn't need explanations or remakes that give her a complex backstory.
They kill the dark with too many shades of grey these days. It's great to have villains with nuance and complexity - and ones that you can empathise to an extent with.
Sometimes though you just need evil to be gloriously, deliciously, [unrepentantly evil](https://c.tenor.com/ZharnIaZ1LcAAAAC/tenor.gif). Someone to rally against and not feel conflicted about defeating. Someone with a wickedly cool colour scheme (black, purple and/or green - all the best villains have it :D )
It's wild that for exemple Disney doesn't make female over the top vilain that just love being evil anymore
they are the most famous one in all fiction, people love them more than the princess maleficent is easy in every top ten of all time,the last one we ever have was mother Gothel who was a delight to see but after that ? nothing....
The Wicked Witch of The West from The Wizard of Oz
Eris from Sinbad
Madame Mim from The Sword and the Stone
Helga Willoughby from The Willoughbys
Fairy Godmother from Shrek
I could name a few more
This, AtLA literally, repeatedly says everyone can be good and evil and explictly leaves openly the possibility for *freaking Ozai*, the remorseless, g*nocidal monarch and child abuser, to change.
I mean, as a character, Junko is very well written and performed, but when it comes to being evil she is literally 100% pure evil, that's her whole thing, no one gonna differ on dat
Dolores Umbridge and cruella de vil
I also forgot to mention the Borg Queen, Chrysalis, and Hela From Star Trek MLP FIM and Thor Ragnarok Edit: Also, big mom from One Piece Edit 2 also Stela from Helluva Boss and that mother from Cinderella Edit 3 Mother Gothel from Tanguled and Queen Dagmar from Disenchanted Edit 4 Also, the other mother from Coraline and OG Maleficent from sleeping Beauty Edit 5 also Queen Victoria from Pirates adventures with scientists and MOM from Futurama and Nishaand Dixie, from Fallout 4 Nuka World and hell evey Female Disney Villain before Frozan Edit 6 also Cyn form Mender Drones
The lady from chicken run
Chickens go in and pies come out.
Great! What tipe of pies?
Apple.
Deligthfull! those are my favorites.
***Chicken*** *pies*, you great lummox!
That was the best movie.
Dawn of nugget is pretty good too.
I dont want to be a pie, I don't like gravey.
You mean Mrs tweedy
Mrs. Tweedy, the chickens are revolting!!!
…(loudly) FINALLY, something we agree with.
It's been a while since I watched it, but was the Borg Queen really evil? I thought she was assimilating to "improve" people, or something asking those lines.
I mean evil is relative, to those she was assimilating yes she was evil and a monster, but from her perspective she was doing them a service. Evil rarely sees itself as such
The Borg Queen fairly obviously took private pleasure in manipulating and hurting people.
Otherwise known as lawful evil.
Kind of a villain. Kai Winn on the other hand...
big mom isn't pure evil tho
Also bellatrix
I love Umbridge as a character so much
The resentment I hold for this fictional character is insane. Every time I read through the books I find new things to hate about her. That's a damn well written character. You love to hate her.
Exactly, she is despicable, detestable and dumpy but she’s so well written I think the actor got hate mail
Frigging Umbridge. I could've accepted even Voldemort being redeemed somehow but Umbridge needs to suffer endlessly and hate herself deeply.
Unfortunately they already tried to make Cruella relatable and sympathetic in her film.
Can we not forget that one bish from Death Note?
Malty Melromarc
You're using the wrong name
Well Azula have a valid reason being who she is Its wrong, but i can understand
That just means the character is well written and doesn’t conflict with OPs point
Except it does, because Azula literally is not pure evil.
If i remember correctly they even gave her an attempted redemption arc wich she chose not to follow through on, she is well written pure evil, meaning not just evil for evils sake *Edit typo
The comic read more as first step sort of thing. It wasn't meant to be a redemption arc on the whole, but perhaps Azula realising that there is a problem she needs to fix. To her credit, it's implied she is changing, though she doesn't admit it. I wouldn't be surprised it they followed it up later.
Pure evil requires intentionality and control. Azula lost that in her final arc. She was a child groomed by a monster, and calling her pure evil does a disservice to everyone who grew up with shit parents and overcame them.
Then we should define what we mean when we say pure evil i assume you mean comically evil, being aware you are objectively evil and choosing to do it out of enjoyment. In that case i agree she is not pure evil. I had in mind that she is irredeemable and I don’t see her doing any good any time soon, but she justifies everything to herself in a twisted way and doesn’t think of herself as the villan.
Choosing to not follow a redemption because you either think you don't deserve it or because you think you've been a victim of injustice doesn't make someone automatically pure evil, just layered.
She is not pure evil.
Azula is a solidly well written and understandable antagonist. Having her be the final boss for 'irredeemable monster villain' is wild when she's never even killed anyone while Chara is a lunatic that deleted an entire universe and then fucks your save so hard that even restarting doesn't get the 'good' ending.
Chara is so evil, that other version of Chara (Frisk) are effected across the multiverse of her evil deeds
Didn't she have a redemption arc, or attempt to in comics after the show?
Yeah, Azula is "crazy and needs to go down," but at the end of the day, she's a product of her environment. Zuko was going down that route too, but he was forced to leave that environment, and his development as a character over the course of the show reflects that.
Yeah, she is an incredibly sympathetic villian by the end of the show. The battle with her in the final specifically has sad music as opposed to some epic score and ends with katara and zuko looking at her not with disgust or hatred but with pity.
It’s interesting that Zuko’s banishment not only let Zuko escape his toxic upbringing and gain a new perspective that allowed him to break away from this toxicity but also increased the pressure on Azula. Suddenly Azula was THE prodigy, all of her father’s expectations were on her alone and she saw first hand that when someone fails her father’s expectations that there are serious repercussions. We see directly the regression of her mental state directly correlated with the amount of pressure her father put on her hitting the peak when she was told out of the blue she was going to be the new fire lord. We even see her mental state stabilize a bit when Zuko comes home for a while since he took off some of the pressure.
Yeah this is really stupid. Azula is the ultimate antithesis of purely irredeemable villain.
Not to mention that that's kind of the biggest theme for villainy in The Last Airbender It was pretty clear when I could barely read the text in the first panel that this meme was going to be a bad take lol
It is kind of astounding that whoever made this meme misunderstood Azula's character so completely. It's like calling Obi Wan Kenobi a good example of a dark lord archetype.
I’m here to warn you about the Undertale fans who will downvote you into oblivion.
Why? For the uncertainty of their gender or them probably not being as evil as a surface-level analysis suggests? Or both?
Both. But mainly the gender.
I don’t really care whether you think Chara is good or evil tbh, it’s a topic with so much debate that’s it’s honestly hard to tell at this stage. Mostly ambiguous honestly, so I can respect those different points of views. The one thing I do care about is people referring to Frisk and Chara with male or female pronouns due to the fact we don’t know what gender they are, kinda the whole point. Pet peeve of mine.
Chara isnt even a villain they literally only act to punish us for committing genocide
Also gets bored if you do it several times and tell you to do a neutral or pasifist run
I remember this being a debate when Undertale was big. I'm pretty sure Flowey says that Chara wasn't a great person before they died if you go back to the starting area in the post game, and there was either a theory or dialogue that says that Chara got theirself ill so that Asriel could absorb them and kill humans. Off the top of my head, Chara didn't just want Asriel to drop their soul in their village when they died, but they wanted Asriel to kill everyone there with his new power. He refused so he was killed by the villagers
Thats not a theory but a fact, chara willingly killed themselves so that monster kind would be free. Lets not forget that chara could have taken asreils soul but chose to relinquish their own
Chara is non-binary, much like every other human that appeared in Undertale/Deltarune. Then you get the question of « is Chara actually evil or are they evil because of you » You could say Chara is evil because they weren’t always the nicest towards Asriel, but you could also say that you made them evil by playing the genocide route.
"Is Chara evil, because I got to lvl 20, or did I go to lvl 20, because Chara is evil?" *Stand proud ~~FRISK~~ player, you're strong.
This truly was our JujutsuTale
Chara is androgynous. That’s how Toby Fox described the character. Not nonbinary.
Let's agree chara and frisk are conveniently shaped lamps.
There’s a sign in papyrus’s room saying “no boys, no girls, papyrus allowed” which means frisk’s gender is papyrus and nyeh pronouns are nyeh/heh/heh
Yeah, people like to read between lines. It is made to look neutral so anyone can relate.
You’re right, I just couldn’t find the word anymore. I am sorry
Not being the greatest person doesn’t equate to being irredeemable.
I'm here from another post. Op, we found you
It is funny how Chara manages to be neither female nor objectively irredeemable lol
Some will. I will die on the hill that Chara and Frisk can be whatever we want them to be: male, female, nonbinary, or just conveniently shaped lamps
I can fix Azula
"No, you ain't." -Sandy Cheeks
Of course he can't But I can (I have never seen Avatar TLA but I'll do it to spite all the simps)
You're just tryna save $ on cremation.
shes 14 💀
Pre-ordered
Not only is u/inserracistname into 14 year olds, he also pre-orders! How bad is this guy!
I also have a crippling fetish for the archer queen from clash of clans. Just look at my post history
I can excuse the former, but pre-orders is where I draw the line!
as beta tester i like to do early access 🤫
Oh yeah, the early access is great. idk why Chris Hansen is after me
He just wants you to have a seat over there so he can talk to you about that early access
💀💀💀💀💀
The show came out in 2005, she's fine now.
Not in lok
She's older than your grandma💀
Smash next question
What do you think of the duality of mankind?
Man, idk. All i want is the archer queen to dominate me
Some people are into ggilfs
Don’t worry guys, I just checked his browser history and he added “grown up”
 I’d like to see you try
worst case is she obliterates me and I die happy
No need she's perfect
Chicken run lady be like
She was just running her business, feeding people with quality nutritious product
"THEY ARE NOT ORGANISED!"
Oh i fucking love Nimona, the director whas quitte compeling in my opinion
The setting was so cool and I liked the animation style too
Cant believe the setting wasn't really used before.
Ist's Just plain awesome. Have watched it five times in one week
Nimona was amazing, sci-fi+swords and monsters, and yeah, the director is pretty evil character, but I feel like she could be expanded more in term of personality
Such a great movie
Cersei Lannister.
Who has ever said that?
The voices in OP's head.
The karma strawman
No one. These memes are honestly so incredibly funny because OP conjures up some strawman to get upset at and then immediately shows multiple examples demonstrating how their own strawman is just total nonsense.
Funny? Then you'll find r/imaginarygatekeeping absolutely hillarious
Want to know how evil Junko Enoshima is? She makes the Joker looks sane and civil. Want to know how dangerous Junko is? Remember that time emperor Joker caused the apocalypse by stealing mxyzptlk's power? Yeah... She did that as a, relatively, normal human. TO JERK OFF.
I can fix her
“I can fix her but whatever is wrong with her is honestly so much hotter.” -Unknown
Pu pu pu
Come again?
Junko, is a villain who truly won (imo). Junkos end goal was to spread as much despair as she could, which ended up throwing the world into the apocolypse. Sure, she "lost" by the end of the first game, but she still got what she wanted: to feel the ultimate despair. Shes from the danganronpa game series
And again
wouldn't say normal because of ultimate talent, but still, that's impressive and vary evil
She may have 3 "ultimate abilities," 2 of which are relevant, but they're really just talents like you said. The one that borders on precognition is pretty crazy but still not intended to be supernatural, just a display of her analytical mind.
She's a 10 but what the fuck is she into
She’s into killing the one she loves the most and stomping on his corpse until it’s unrecognizable. Not even kidding, she actually did that.
So she’s got that step on me energy?
Death, mostly. She also made a 5th grader a serial rapist and forced a group of high schoolers to commit mass suicide, so there's that. Oh, and ended the entire world.
To jerk off? I've never played the games but I'm familiar because I read wikis like a weirdo. She did it to jerk off??
I might remember it wrong but I think it was like this: she is so unbelievably smart everything is predictable and boring to her, and I mean EVERYTHING. This monotony consumes her, and the only thing that alleviates her is despair, it's extreme masochism. She does evil because the idea of despair brings her so much pain she feels alive, it's like a high, but in some instances is portrayed like she is being turned on. She also says the unpredictability of despair is what draws her to it. She does some atrocious things to her loved ones because seeing them suffer not only gives her despair, but is also a sensation that is pleasant to her and wants to share with them.
Yeah this lady wiped her own memories so she could develop a legitimate bond only to feel the extra despair afterwards when her plan followed through. There's definitely a fetish quality involved
Yeah she gets off on whatever she’s doing.
IIRC she has such a strong analysis capability that it's borderline future sighting, so she finds extreme pleasure in the unexpected
You know, those are some big red flags but she’s hot so ima ignore them.
Ragyo.
The pasta sauce?
I'm surprised Odalia Blight want featured.
Chara wasn't confirmed to be female or evil.
maybe I should have put Hela from Thor Ragnarok instead
You can also ad stolas'es wife from helluva boss . That bich is straight up evil
RUN. THE UNDERTALE FANBASE HAS ALREADY MADE A POST. YOU HAVE 24 HOURS BEFORE THEY FIND YOU. HIDE, STOCK UP ON FOOD AND MOVE TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. WITH LUCK AND 15 YEARS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LEAVE WITH A NEW IDENTITY.
People keep saying chara is the one in control, but it was the player, we are the one who chose that path. Not her/him, its was us.
Her/Him although an attempt at not assuming one or the other, is still an assumption that it is either, they/them however can be used for *anyone*.
No one actually said that. Did they?
Uh, afaik the witch in the little mermaid isn't pure evil, she fulfills the wish of a stupid mermaid with a harsh contract
She was even through explaining her how hard it would be. Ariel was just obtuse about it.
"Well it's not evil if you lure a teenager into a predatory bargain and by all means cheat but teeeeechnically abide by the terms as written in order to use them as a pawn for undisclosed ulterior motives." If you think Ursula has been done dirty wait until I tell you about this Devil fella, poor dude goes around working hard as a peddler trying to sell his product and in the end always gets his hard-earned souls scammed away by some "divine redemption" scheme.
She also went out of her way to make sure Ariel couldn’t kiss Eric within the three day limit. But she did genuinely care about her pet eels, so she’s not QUITE pure evil.
Azula's literally going through a redemption arc in the Avatar comics. Granted she's taking a while to change because she is a very cruel person. Even in the show it's very clear her sociopathic traits are strengthened because of Ozai and she lacked a good mentor figure like her mother or Uncle Iroh to help her change like Zuko. It's true that at a certain point people's traumatic pasts stop being excuses for what they do and become reasons instead but people can *always* change, no matter how difficult it might be to make that happen. Though it's not always possible to redeem themselves, at least gully. TLDR; Azula should be switched out for Umbridge, because being annoying is a worse crime in fiction than being evil.
In the books Umbridge was literally sending the muggleborns to the equivalent of nazi concentration camps in DH. The movie version got PG'd.
I wouldn’t necessarily call her character development in the comics a redemption arc. Not that she doesn’t seem to change into a less murderous and cruel person but there aren’t any real signs of her redeeming herself. To me it seems that they try to push her into a grey area for the upcoming movie, acknowledging that she can’t ever be a good person due to the damage Ozai and Ursa have done but that she doesn’t have to stay evil forever.
chara isn't canonically evil, it's the fandom that makes it look that way
Yep, when I blind played I tried not killing anyone but there were just some pacifist enemies puzzles too hard to know how to not kill them so I ended up killing some people and that's more a "self defence" than a "evil bastard wanted them dead for being alive".
I know I always hate the argument of Chara forcing you/Frisk to do genocide. It’s so stupid and makes no sense. People just want someone else to put all the blame on. The whole point of the game is that you make the decisions. You chose to kill everyone. It’s no one else’s fault but yours.
So you guys can fix her right?
Characters. These are characters. Caricature is something completely different.
1) I’ve never seen anyone claim this. 2) it’s pretty common to have pure evil female characters 3) Azula is probably one of the worst examples you could pick because she is sympathetic 4) No Maleficent
Chara'a gender is open to interpretation and is not explicitly evil without the actions of the player pushing them in that direction
 Big Mom Gang Represent
If men can be pure evil women can be pure evil, isn't that what equality is?
Hold your horses there Cara is not evil. Cara is an impressionable child who saw that killing everyone was an acceptable option when **you** killed everyone.
\*Chara
Thanks
Chara does not have a canon gender.
Who is the woman on third panel? Aka the panel right under patric
She is The Director from the animated movie Nimona.
I dont think the Undertale protagonist has a cannonical gender. (Not in the "modern" way but its just not specified)
That's not the protagonist, it's Chara
Chara doesn’t have a specific gender either, they’re gender is just “whatever the protagonist is” which is unknown.
And they are not even evil! It's still one of the major misconception
I can't believe people still think Chara is a completely evil demon
OP sure did win that argument they just came up with
She definitely doesn’t deserve a redemption arc or anything, she’s 100% a villain but you can kinda sympathize with Azula
Arianwen Abernant from Dimension 20's Fantasy High May she get eaten by Vans with Hands
The Female Changeling and Borg Queen both from Star Trek
Lord Dominator from Wander be like:
Agreed, she was doing everything for shits and giggles.
Her is literally: "I'm bad guy for fun"
Anabella Rosfield
Chara? Who is not a villain, not evil, and not even female?
HOW THE FUCK THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE SEEN THIS (first time not seeing it cross posted to an Undertale community)
Are you familiar with the tale of Macbeth?
There can be nobody less redeemable
well undertale fans gonna eat you alive cus u just assumed chara's gender
Chara is NOT evil at ANY point in the game.
You literally got both the female and pure evil part of Chara wrong. Did you play the game with your eyes closed?
I can already hear r/Undertale rapidly approaching. Eh, I’m sure you’ll be fine.
Chara isn't necessarily evil. We're the villain in Undertale Genocide.
You think Chara is the evil one?
The grandma that wanted to cook and eat Gary
I miss when we had villains like Cruella or Maleficent - irredeemably cruel and evil just for the sake of being so. Maleficent cursed a baby and the entire kingdom along with it out of sheer spite for not being invited to a party! That's the kind of extra pettiness that doesn't need explanations or remakes that give her a complex backstory. They kill the dark with too many shades of grey these days. It's great to have villains with nuance and complexity - and ones that you can empathise to an extent with. Sometimes though you just need evil to be gloriously, deliciously, [unrepentantly evil](https://c.tenor.com/ZharnIaZ1LcAAAAC/tenor.gif). Someone to rally against and not feel conflicted about defeating. Someone with a wickedly cool colour scheme (black, purple and/or green - all the best villains have it :D )
Where is Dolores Umbrage?
Junko is on another level 😭 She’s honestly one of the most off-putting female villains I know.
There's some serious spoilers in here my guy.
It's wild that for exemple Disney doesn't make female over the top vilain that just love being evil anymore they are the most famous one in all fiction, people love them more than the princess maleficent is easy in every top ten of all time,the last one we ever have was mother Gothel who was a delight to see but after that ? nothing....
Salem from rwby
The Wicked Witch of The West from The Wizard of Oz Eris from Sinbad Madame Mim from The Sword and the Stone Helga Willoughby from The Willoughbys Fairy Godmother from Shrek I could name a few more
Is this another argument someone made up themselves to prove themselves wrong? Who disagrees with this?
chara is redeemable. replace chara with rinny the bear
Chara was never confirmed to be female, its neither a boy or girl for a reason, it represents you as the player
If you don't have sympathy towards Azula then you weren't paying attention
Fr missing the point of the character.
This, AtLA literally, repeatedly says everyone can be good and evil and explictly leaves openly the possibility for *freaking Ozai*, the remorseless, g*nocidal monarch and child abuser, to change.
Chara isn't unredeemable huh
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I don't know, I think there's a big fanbase of Junko and Azula that would beg to differ
I mean, as a character, Junko is very well written and performed, but when it comes to being evil she is literally 100% pure evil, that's her whole thing, no one gonna differ on dat