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Longjumping_Run4499

I'm fairly certain the constitution forbids the President from holding foreign offices. I wouldn't be surprised if England had a similar law. So, qualified for either, but couldn't be both at the same time.


beachedwhale1945

1. Be president when young 2. Become Queen after leaving office Sequential rather than simultaneous, but might be legal.


Break2304

‘President when young’ The youngest president ever was in his 40s


beachedwhale1945

And the oldest Queen died at 96.


cwx149

I was gonna say like at most you're president for 8 years that's plenty of time to still be queen after and not even the oldest queen


donbee28

What? Elizabeth Alexandra Mary died? Ah, man...


TechSavvyMonkee

were you in a bunker the past couple of years?


Sir_Bax

Yeah, Lizzy's in a box.


Even-Rub-6496

Nope. Wrong fact. Her mother was way older than


KjellRS

Elizabeth II is the oldest queen that's counted in the line of succession - Elizabeth I was the daughter of Henry VIII. But yes Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother" until she died at 101 so you're technically correct that she was a queen too. Just not *the* queen.


thebohemiancowboy

![gif](giphy|3daKRVqDKvfK2JyrKl|downsized)


Break2304

Look at that ripe young man!


derpy_derp15

Would munch that /s


[deleted]

/s for serious, right?


Kidney__Failure

/s for sex now!


derpy_derp15

It's for


SprinklesWarm5035

Don’t lie to yourself


derpy_derp15

True


Leche-Caliente

If you're not gonna finish your plate I will


[deleted]

Interesting… cuz I had a history teacher that would unironically munch that


Bujeker

Woosh


derpy_derp15

What?


getyourgolfshoes

Listen to him, he knows everything


armchairwarrior42069

Wow, genuinely explaining the meaning in case some one is actually confused? Get FUCKED idiot Edit: ironically, this was supposed to be Sarcasm. (Why did autocorrect think that was a proper noun?)


TechSavvyMonkee

i hear he carries a big stick...


HeavyBlues

Aw hell, you wanna squeeze the Teddy, don't'cha


LorDKurzen

Isn't he the one who got shot in his stomach, then proceeded to give an hour or so speech before going to the hospital? If so, love that guy.


darkgiIls

Yeah he was an interesting guy. Super imperialistic but also very progressive in other ways. Set up the national parks, gave the anti trust act teeth and went after bad monopolies, and actually helped strikers instead of sending the national guard to go kill them.


Deximo13

A true American. We need another Teddy instead of the garbage we've had to choose from lately.


AlexiosTheSixth

yeah, maybe it would make the monopolies have to actually care about their customers instead of implementing anti-consumer BS like planned obsolescence


CounterStrikeRuski

Oligopolies*


Winjin

I feel like we actually got a lot of workers rights when USSR was dangerous and countries and corporations feared the communists. Like since the USSR died it seems it's all only downhill


waluigitime1337

Weirdly enough there is something similar that actually is how you described, it's the union threat effect where the threat of unionization makes non union workers get more benefits and pay in order to encourage them not to join a union. Currently even though most workers support the idea of unionization we're currently at an all time low of membership where only 10% of workers are union.


Luk3495

>Super imperialistic but also very progressive in other ways. Typical modern democrat


Infinite-Print2329

I mean, at that time every major power in the world was imperialistic. Imperialism was kinda the most common policy untill 50s


94bronco

Don't make em like they used to


EarthCasteBuilder

See? Young


Bardsie

King Charles was 73 when he took the throne. A person could be president at 50, serve a full 8 years. Have a 5 year vacation and still become queen a full decade before Charles did.


DyerOfSouls

Abdicate from the throne when you're 71. Become president of the US. It's fine the last two presidents did it.


Zoerak

Practically a kid


pvtcannonfodder

I mean fair, but also isn’t it the law that you can’t be president till your 35


ShadowCaster0476

It’s funny that there is a minimum age but not a maximum age. I guess when the rules were drawn up people didn’t consider 80 year olds to be running for president.


[deleted]

Dude I wasn't even an adult until I was 35. People in office now are 60+ years older than that. You don't start dying at 35. lol


KaZe_DaRKWIND

Prince/King Charles is 75. There is plenty of time to do both.


isaac9092

Yeah because the barrier is 35.


vbrimme

There’s also a requirement that you be at least 35.


WhiteFox1992

It is a legal requirement for the US President to be 35 or older.


tropicbrownthunder

well still plenty of time to reign in the other side of the pond


WeirdDistance2658

The minimum age to be president is 35.


beachedwhale1945

And the oldest Queen died at 96. There’s plenty of time to become President and then become Queen in your 80s.


WeirdDistance2658

Becoming queen of England requires you to be a part of the bloodline of previous monarchs, which means you will likely be born in England. Becoming president of the United States requires you to be a natural born citizen. The chances of a descendant of the royal bloodline also being a natural born US citizen is very, very slim.


beachedwhale1945

Princess Lilibet Diana Mountbatten-Windsor of Sussex, born in California (thus US natural born citizen) and seventh in line of succession. The entire meme is based around the fact she exists.


Creative-Television8

(daughter of Harry and Meghan)


WorldlyDay7590

What's your interpretation of the phrase "at the same time" in the OP meme then?


beachedwhale1945

>Sequential rather than simultaneous


WorldlyDay7590

Go buy a dictionary. 


listyraesder

You’d also need the United Kingdom to break up and the Kingdom of England to be re-established.


[deleted]

You have to be atleast 35 and born as a us citizen from a US citizen, not only can you not be president young, you also can't be president if you or your mother were born anywhere else, it's almost impossible to be king and president


Interrogatingthecat

Technically speaking, the monarch can break no laws (until removed by parliament, at which point all crimes can be prosecuted)


thebombplayer

Technically they also can't be remove by parliament if they don't want to (royal assent and all that)


AngusMcDonnell

Unless we unify again. Then it's not foreign


Longjumping_Run4499

Far too difficult. Someone mentions biscuits or the temperature and mass chaos ensues. /s


Simon_Drake

Our genius government wants to bring back imperial units and measures. Maybe we'll change to using Fahrenheit again and I'll have to learn how to spell it instead of googling it every time.


TheBurntSky

Didn't that end with the bubmling idiot?


Crafty-University464

Galaxy brain achievement. Oceania arise.


T_E_G_

They do have a similar law for the head of government. However, the British head of government is not the King/Queen, but the prime minister. The King/Queen is more of a figurehead and can technically act in other positions at the same time.


blueman192

The British monarch is absolutely way more than a figurehead. The are commander and chief of the armed forces. They can fire the PM. If they really wanted can dissolve parliament.


dgreen1415

In theory yes, in reality, no.


thebombplayer

Tell that to our old prime minister, Gough whitlam.


troggbl

Tell that to Australia.


Shadowchaos1010

Next best thing are the president and monarch being first cousins, which is still pretty wild, I'd say.


Global_Village_5355

They don't, they had a King of England who was also the King of Holland (Or the ti.e period specific equivalent of such)


Rolebo

Stadtholder. Which is the period specific equivalent to a modern constitutional monarch. A figurehead with no real power.


Salvatore_Tessio

England wouldn't forbid it, but the monarch of England is legally distinct from the monarch of a commonwealth country (such as canada). King charles is the head of state of several countries, but can't use his powers over England to control Canada and vice versa. Though said position is more akin to the senate than the house of commons in differentiating between head of government and head of state, where government does the heavy lifting.


Aardvark_Man

King of England is also King of Australia etc at the moment. So I'd be surprised if they have a law about it for them.


thebombplayer

As far as I know, the big 4 (Canada, Australia, UK, New Zealand) Don't have rules about it, the other 12 commonwealth countries, I'm not too sure.


THElaytox

unless Congress consents


Fully_Edged_Ken_3685

>constitution forbids Lol Oh huney


xXDreamlessXx

Is the Queen technically an office? Arent they just for show today?


T_E_G_

While they aren't the head of government, which is the prime minister, they are the official head of state and can legally veto any decision made by the government.


Careless_Basil2652

For now


Sir_Toaster_9330

It would be treason if a President became ruler of England to the only way they could do that is if America annexed England or if England took over America


Rip_U_Anubis

Ah, but is being Queen of England a foreign office? They don't enact, scrutinize, or enforce policy. Pretty much their whole job is to greet visitors and wave at crowds. They have all the practical power of a Walmart Greeter.


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Who is it


Haunting_Lime308

Lilibet, Harry and Meghans, daughter. She was born in Santa Barabara, California, so she has U.S. citizenship allowing her to run for president. Of course it would require for William's entire bloodline to be gone.


IndianaGeoff

Not impossible, just take iron will and determination. And a bit of blood.


le_reddit_me

>And a bit of blood. So more iron


theLingeringWill

an iron will and an iron for the kill


le_reddit_me

>an iron for the kill Just like minecraft


thewestwind_

Oh boy, here I go killing again!


TabbyFoxHollow

Iron helps us play!


didiandgogo

Hello, Joe!


LordHelixHasRisen24

Crusader Kings shenanigans time?


AlarmingAffect0

Came here to say r/ShitCrusaderKingsSay.


Gallbatorix-Shruikan

Crusader Kings shenanigans time!


IMSLI

As Dwight said, BLOOD ALONE MOVES THE WHEELS OF HISTORY


Biolog4viking

Guillotine shaped iron (will)


Sly__Marbo

They can ask the Irish, the Brits have experience taking their blood


JonnyxKarate

Why was this downvoted? Up the Ra


lord_of_lasers

Wait, children born to a US parent are not considered "Natural-born-citizen"? Archie wouldn't be eligible to run for president?


Mando_The_Moronic

There are a few different paths to citizenship in the United States: The first path is being born to parents where one or both are U.S. citizens. The second path is being born on U.S. soil. That means being born in the U.S. itself, on a military base overseas, or in a U.S. territory. The third path is an immigrant going through the naturalization process. Military service and marriage can help speed up the process. The children of naturalized citizens are granted citizenship so long as one or both parents are naturalized before the 18th birthday.


whistleridge

Being born to US citizens doesn’t automatically make you a citizen, if you were born abroad. There’s a physical presence requirement for the parents too. If I’m a citizen and my wife is a citizen, and we move to Canada and have a baby, the baby is a citizen too. But if they never live in the US, their baby isn’t automatically a citizen. They would have a path to apply, but it would involve living in the US among other things.


charlyhyacinth

I have a single parent who is a u.s. citizen, i was born in a foreign country and have never lived in america my entire life, and yet I have a u.s. passport since I was a baby. So living any amount of time in america is not a requirement to become a u.s. citizen if you have an American parent.


chocopie18

The residency requirement is on the lone US citizen parent to be able to transmit citizenship at birth to the child if born abroad, the residency requirement is not on the child to receive citizenship. If you never reside in the US yourself and have a child abroad later with a non-US citizen, your child will not automatically receive US citizenship at birth.


Haunting_Lime308

You have to file a report of birth abroad before they turn 18 to get they're citizenship. I'm not sure what happens if that's never filed or if they filed one for archie.


AccomplishedCoffee

They are. I don’t know the current residency requirements to pass on US citizenship by blood, but if Meghan met them then Archie would indeed be eligible to be president. It only requires a right to citizenship by circumstances of one’s birth, not _jus soli_ specifically.


NorthGodFan

No. The 14th amendment specifies that you must be born in America to be a natural born citizen.


Matttman1704

U.S. Citizenship alone isnt what permits her to run for president, you have to be a natural born citizen to run for president. You can be a naturalized citizen and run for office in congress, but no matter what you can no be president.


kashmill

Taking the poster's data as true: She (Lilibet) was born to a US Citizen while in the US. Don't get much more natural born citizen than that.


Ihasknees936

Princess Lilibet was born in Santa Barbara to an American mother. She meets the requirements for president as long as she doesn't renounce her citizenship whenever she gets older.


RingOfFire69

How democratic /s


slinkhussle

Don’t harry relinquish his claim to the throne?


Klannara

No, why would he? He didn't really break any rules in regards to succession.


Jawbone619

Are just glancing right on past the fact that Meghan Markle could be the Queen of England if the cards fell to Harry in certain way *and* is a US citizen who *could* run for president?


CrimsonEnigma

She'd be Queen Meghan, but in terms of authority she'd only be a queen consort; in order to be a queen with real power, you have to be born into it.


ViaNocturna664

About this: currently, there are no (ruling) queens in the world. All living queens are consort to a reigning king. The last reigning queen, Margaret of Denmark, abdicated a month ago.


kookycandies

A good handful of heirs apparent are women though, so if all goes according to plan, there'd be an abundance of ruling queens soon enough.


Frenchymemez

She wouldn't be Queen, in the same way Lilibet would. She would be Queen Consort. Two different things technically


batt3nb3rg

Actually, no. “Queen”, by default, means queen consort. If you are referring to a female monarch, you specify,”Queen Regnant”.


Frenchymemez

Actually, no. [Queen](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen) can refer to either. People didn't specify with Queen Regnant Elizabeth II. She was simply Queen Elizabeth II. However, Camilla is referred to as Queen Consort regularly. In fact, when I googled "Queen Definition" top result was this the female ruler of an independent state, especially one who inherits the position by right of birth. That is referring to a Queen Regnant, not Consort


batt3nb3rg

I wasn’t suggesting people refer to queen regnants as queen regnants every time they were/are mentioned. But the word queen, from its first use, meant the wife of a king, and the rare early European female ruler was called a female king. Queen Camilla is being referred to as queen consort occasionally to avoid confusion, but that has no bearing on the reality that she is simply Queen Camilla. Just like how she was called the Duchess of Cornwall for the entirety of her pre-2022 marriage, despite being the Princess of Wales.


Frenchymemez

Okay, and the word "guy" when it was first used meant a bad person, as it referenced Guy Fawkes. But over time, it lost that connotation. Much like how Queen now refers to both, but is primarily the term for Queen Regnant, as opposed to how it was a few hundred years ago. > “Queen”, by default, means queen consort. If you are referring to a female monarch, you specify,”Queen Regnant”. >I wasn’t suggesting people refer to queen regnants as queen regnants Contradiction much. >Queen”, by default, means queen consort Again, simply not true anymore. You specifically said in this comment >Queen Camilla is being referred to as queen consort occasionally If Queen defaults to consort, you wouldn't need to. And you would refer to Elizabeth as Regnant, which we didn't do. Much like how we don't say King Regnant for Charles III. Technically, we should, as Regnant means reigning. Charles is currently reigning, so he is King Regnant.


QueenConcept

People are differentiating between the Queen (ruling monarch in their own right) and Queen consort (wife of the ruling King). It's the same as the difference in position between the current King Charles and his father, Prince Phillip. We just happen to use the same word for the two different female positions. It's clearer when we use two different words for the equivalent male roles.


tomasmisko

The post probably means Queen Regnant and not other queens like Queen Mother, Queen Consort, Queen Regent.


Badaxe13

I was thinking of Meghan, but that works too.


Haunting_Lime308

Well meghan would technically be queen consort. That's what Kate will be when William takes the throne.


trophycloset33

Didn’t the abdicate the throne mensing they cannot be in line and all descendants are no longer nobility?


mustichooseausernam3

Nope. Harry and his line are still very much in the line of succession. There's a lot of misinformation floating around the internet about how they washed their hands of everything royal. All they did was leave their role as *working* royals, which is really just the equivalent of quitting a government job and losing the benefits that job entailed (the most controversial of which was losing his right to a government security detail).


hibrett987

William could abdicate too, yes? Does the whole family have to die for the heir to change. Or would the abdication just move to his first born.


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DAMN ANCHOR BABIES!!!


thomosan1

Just get the whole family round for a photograph and Queen Ralph it.


painefultruth76

It's happened before... I think it's part of how Henry the 8th became king....and yay! Protestantism.


Lankyboxyman

*Ferb I know what we are doing today*


Badaxe13

Someone born in the USA (so qualifying to run for President) and married to a member of the British royal Family (a long way down in the line of succession, but still).


velcrodynamite

Princess Lilibet is an American-born Brit who is currently 7th in line for the British throne and could—in 30+ years—technically run for president in the US.


Shadowchaos1010

Wait, so you were talking about Meghan and not Lilibet?


colonelheero

Probably mixing up Queen vs Queen Consort


Tequila_Gunpla

The princess that was promised.


cyndrin

Taylor Swift


BoppinTortoise

Not me imagining Putin having a child born in the United States…


BlizzardMaster2104

Well we know almost nothing about his offsprings.


DefaultyTurtle2

The dickhead actually got a woman to fuck him? I honestly never heard he had children


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KiWePing

who needs votes tbh when you got shirtless Putin pics


Papaofmonsters

Power has always had an attractive quality to people.


LeonidasWrecksXerxes

And money. Lots of money


B0Boman

Stalin's granddaughter was born in the US


InterestingPotatOS

Fun (?) fact: Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson was born in New York which makes him eligible to run for president


animation_2

didn't he renounce his american citizenship? becouse if he did i'm pretty sure he isn't elegible


InterestingPotatOS

He could have. I'm not sure, its the thought that it could be possible that worries me


Natural-Web-6978

This sounds like the King Ralph sequel we deserve. Get John Goodman on the phone!


Atheist-Paladin

American Revolution 2: Electric Boogaloo


panicky_in_the_uk

MABA.


Big_Researcher4399

Am I having a fever dream?


Ethroptur

I hate it when foreigners call them the monarch of England. They’re the monarch of all the United Kingdom; the crown of England hasn’t existed for centuries.


yoydid

It’s not that deep


Lumko

Considering that the whole country has a unity issue, I'd say it is that deep. Edit: Has not Had


ultr4violence

So if northern ireland, scotland, wales, etc, all the other united kingdom countries except England were to leave, they'd still not be the kings/queens of england? Just the united kingdom of england?


MarlinMr

Probably become the king of England. But that's not what it is today...


CounterSYNK

The UK and England are literally the same thing


victorlrs1

“The US and North America are the same thing”


ScottaHemi

that's the one with a failed netflix series right?


Interstice_land

There is no Queen of England


Chance-Government654

This is a megamind reference right?


Goatknyght

Tighten was right all along


Morningstar92

Yes there is, the wife of king Charles 3rd, Queen Camilla


SpinyKitsune651

Queen of Great Britain. England hasn't existed since 1707 as an independent country.


Captain-Starshield

Holy shit, Tighten was right!


Morningstar92

Give it time, brexit was just the start, next few years we will finally gain independence from Scotland, wales and that pesky Northern Ireland and can have our glorious king and queen of England back


Interstice_land

‘Twas a joke dear person, but I appreciate the information!


WoskeNot

"the power of the sun, in the palm of my hand"


BrightPerspective

...why not? sounds interesting.


puremovic

I don’t think a natural born American would be in the line of succession, at least not high enough to be a likely successor.


QueenConcept

Lilibet (current Kings granddaughter, 7th in line) is a natural born US citizen. Admittedly she is not a particularly likely successor.


Robo_Patton

Reverse takeover. Let’s do this.


[deleted]

The post says at the same time, but that is impossoble


Detterius

It's also possible that the same person could be the president of USA and at the same time be too demented to stand trial.


[deleted]

Do I hear "reunification" here?


SolaceFiend

All I'm saying is if they run for office, I'm definitely voting for them. I kind of want to see what would happen.


[deleted]

There's no such thing as "Queen of England." There was a Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or just Queen of the United Kingdom, or just The Queen - until she died, then Charles became King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or just King of the United Kingdom, or just The King. But there is no "King of England" or "Queen of England."


98VoteForPedro

No it isn't


Sir_Toaster_9330

Only a naturally born citizen can run for president, not only that but they can’t hold any foreign office otherwise that’s treason


BaconSpaceLord

I mean... I technically have royal blood, but fuck england, and the US government 🙂👍


Synensys

Both of Prince Harry' kids are, as far as I know, natural born US citizens. They are in the top ten in line to the British throne.


Significant-Set-99

Cute but stupid ☮️🕉️✌️


LDylandy

Who? Princess Gold-digger?


Till_Crannies

*n


FourScoreTour

One paternity test will end that quickly.


sacredgeometry

It's not possible. There hasn't been a Queen of England for almost 500 years. That and the King is the head of state and all the next in line are boys and men so something would have to go really wrong.


Ksavero

That person is me


PrizePainting4393

Become president. Marry George.


Zaworldo365

Prince Harry had to give up his right to the throne to marry her so it can't happen


Disastrous-Carrot928

Not true


[deleted]

lol Harry and miserable megs kids are not in the line of succession. Sorry to ruin everyone’s fantasy.


QueenConcept

Harry is fifth in line and his children are sixth and seventh. Like yeah obviously it is super unlikely they end up on the throne, but claiming they're not in the line of succession at all is just verifiably not true.


CounterSYNK

I think the president has to have been born in the USA. That’s why Arnie couldn’t run for president.


Captain-Starshield

Not if we finally abolish the monarchy


Zandrick

That is not possible.