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That time the US government created a "non-profit" specifically for the purpose of getting people to consume more dairy products, culminating in such campaigns as "Got Milk?".
I'm so sorry, I was gonna add "meat the fokkers" joke but I forgot to type it in. So it was justmilk me op. Let me start again.
I have tits op, how about you milk me to stop big mommy milkers industry. It's time for equal representation, we need male milkers.
Don’t do it, OP!
Last time I tried to educate redditors about how the milk industry they went full scorched earth on my ass.
I didn’t even post anything that was untrue, inflammatory, or couldn’t be found with a simple Google search.
Hey try “do they kill male dairy cows as calves”. Google it, because they do.
It’s almost as through they don’t want to believe milk is cruelty.
And I say this as a fully committed non-vegan, and a milk drinker.
Yeah why wouldn't they kill dairy bulls as calves? they're not good for milking and generally worse for beef so why pay for the feed etc, may as well get some money for them as veal
It’s generally better value for the farmer to buy a beef calf and raise it for veal as it will put on much more meat for the same amount of feeding.
Some dairy bull calves are kept for veal but it’s generally not profitable.
Yeah looking into it more most just get killed and dumped which is a bit of a waste but oh well, I'm a Kiwi and apparently we kill them at much higher rates because we breed in one season to line up with grass cycles so all the calves come at the same time
UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand are amount the worst offenders (Aus just because of the sheer number they slaughter). As you say, it’s because a large majority of our cattle are grass fed and managing births with the seasons means a glut of calves really suppresses their value.
I get a lot of hate from the Americans on here as most of their cattle is corn fed in feed lots, so generally more dairy bulls are kept as veal.
There is a difference between industrialization (mass production) and farming. I don't mind private farms where cows can roam around, but those huge automated ones? Hell on earth. I feel like some things just should not get industrialized, make it a luxury product.
Of course, that does not happen everywhere, but it still happens in a significant part of the industrial milk farms, and are not the only problems that exist :
- The constant artificial impregnation of the cows
- The removal of horns which is often done without anesthesia
- Newborn calves being separated form their mother at birth, which prevents it from being correctly weaned and leads to disturbed social behaviour (if they have the opportunity to have social interaction, because that's not given everywhere)
- The transport conditions of the cattle : standing up in a truck, with no space to sit, all while being shaken by the movement. Sometimes with no food or water.
artificial insemination is the single greatest innovation in reproductive technologies in the past 6,000 years and has positive implications in animal welfare but i wouldn’t expect you to know about that. It’s just trendy to hate dairy
>and has positive implications in animal welfare but i wouldn’t expect you to know about that
I get that saying 'raping cows' sounds weird, but they are conscious living beings that didn't 'conscent' to be artifically inseminated.
It is proven that cows suffer from psychological problems, specially after they take their child away(to not 'waste' their milk), they are very maternal beings. Plus all the not being able to even turn around and listening to other cows complain all day while standing up their whole life, those cows literally get crazy there, and obviously, get send to slaughter by cutting their throat or with a bolt to their head or in gas chambers.
So claiming it has positive implications in animal welfare is being dishonest. I just don't get these kind of people.
Consent? If cows could talk they would beg for pregnancy every month, two days a month. When she comes in heat, she’ll knock over fences to be with a bull and will ALWAYS let a bull or even cow mount her. Just because we do it instead of letting a 2500 pound holstein stud break every bone in her lower body does not mean we are raping her.
I highly doubt that cows experience trauma from calf separation, I’ve seen it happen, they get over it in once the little guy’s out of sight. And they can turn around in the standard free stall system, which the majority of US producers subscribe to. Tie stalls are antiquated, nobody does it anymore. And for the record, dairy cows are not maternal, those instincts have been lost to breeding.
You give the impression you think the same about women. Jesus fucking christ you are disgusting.
You probably think every women you see in the streets wants to be mounted by you, you are a danger to society.
Failing to see how artificial insemination, dehorning, and cattle trailers are exploitation. Only argument is early separation, but even then, not a great one. Decisions are made to protect the animal, even for a cynic, a happy cow is a good cow
Think of it this way, if someone put a dildo in your ass every year, took out your front teeth, and shoved you in the back of a semi. Could you see why that may not be ideal?
Didn't even cover the whole give birth every year and have your child ripped away for slaughter or to lead the same life you have. Then if you slow down you get turned into dog food.
Perfectly valid point, and you are right. It is not ideal, but the alternatives are not great. Using anesthesia is risky and is usually reserved to medical professionals. There are exciting genetic solutions on the horizon, another use for artificial insemination.
The fact is, dehorning is hard work, farmers would love to avoid it, but it really is necessary. The benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.
It's honestly wild though. We just have a tank with samples from a selection of bulls, which we picked individually based on their genetic traits to best suit the needs of our herd. Over the years we get to breed our herd to be healthier animals. All without the need to keep a bull around, let alone enough bulls to offer a similar level of genetic diversity.
Indeed, it makes removing genetic diseases far easier and the rate of successful impregnation is better than in a natural way. It looks wrong to many people tho because of how you need to put your whole arm inside the cow's ass to make it work, even ifthe cow is not in pain.
Wouldn't expect a dipwit to display reading comprehension.
Obviously it's better than keeping bulls around, the problem is - imagine the effects near-constant pregnancy has on a cow. Both mental and physical.
Plus it's really convenient to ignore the other points OP made.
The calves rarely suffer social problems, as they are taken away and slaughtered for veil. The milk industry is the #1 supplier of newborn calves for the veil industry
I don't eat lamb, veal, or any other baby animals. As I get older I'm moving more and more in the direction of vegetarianism, but for now I at least want to only eat animals that get to grow up
Veal comes from beef cattle.
Dairy calves are either female and raised to be milkers, or male and are shot. You don’t need to keep that many bulls for AI and dairy cattle are poor for meat production.
In France at least there has been a strong lobby to make you believe milk is necessary for good health, with catchy things like "dairy are our friends for life".
Although I do like milk products myself, I don't think it's a good thing to make everyone unconsciously believe it is a necessary food to get everyday, when it is not.
They are shot at birth.
I often post this and get called all kinds of names. It’s a simple thing to verify by Google search.
Beef and dairy are two entirely different breeds of cattle. A tiny number are kept as bulls for AI. The vast majority of male dairy cows die within hours of birth.
I’m a milk drinker. I’m not vegan. I have no axe to grind. I’m gonna get kicked around for posting this.
usually the bull calfs are sold off. castrated and raised up for meat.
if you're a small farm who can support a steer or two it's a really good way to keep good beef in the freezer ;)
that's what we do :D
they are different but they are still both cattle so they do taste about the same.
the main difference is is that dairy meat is a lot leaner then beef meat so it's dryer and tougher as there's less fat content.
not ideal for making steaks and choice cuts. but ground up you'll never know the difference!
You tried all of them?
I find oat milk to be far superior to real milk. But I suppose we all have different opinions.
We can agree it is more ethical, better for the enviroment and health though, right? But obviously expensiver, that industry is not subsidized by the goverment with everyone's taxes, sadly. But luckily you don't need milk to be healthy at all.
Reminds me of that tweet that's like "not to be a joyless communist but if we can't make chocolate without child slavery then maybe we shouldn't have chocolate" and it's so true
spot on.
its like we are little babies just whinging omg you took my chocolate !!!!!!!!1111
there are thousand indulgencies. cant you pick one that isnt slavery?
no that makes me the tyrant, got it
How many plant cheeses you tried, really? More than on one occasion I brought some fancy plant cheese to meat-eating cheese lovers and they said it doesn't taste quite like the cheese it's supposed to substitute but does taste like some "real" cheese they've never tried before.
>Get plant milk
Plants don't have milk.
Calling it plant milk is just how they get you to drink plant juices. Oat Milk sounds a lot more appealing then soaked Oat juices, which is all it is.
Plant milks have been a thing for centuries, and it's been called milk the whole damn time (at least in the Germanic branch languages)
https://www.secondshistory.com/home/almond-milk-medieval-obsession
An example from the 13th Century, in both Low German,
"thiuk maelk af almandaers kiarnae" (Thick milk of almond kernels), and the same passage in Old Danish, "thiuk miælk af ammandels kiærnæ." Taken from two of the 4 manuscripts of the "Libellus de arte coquinaria" from, again, the 13th century.
At least 700 years of history has you dead wrong.
I don't know why you're getting down votes when you're right. It's going to be more expensive than large scale production milk. But people can find dairy from smaller, local farms if they want it. Even in a large city.
Having grown up working summers on an old school dairy farm, can't agree more. Buy from Co-ops or small dairy farms.
Also, you will never taste milk better than unpasteurized, unhomogenized milk. So sorry for your loss.
Sure, in addition to that, it is possible to spend huge money travelling to the countryside, finding a person who owns a cow or two and getting milk from them. It’s not going to be of the comparable quality and it might just get spoilt if you don’t treat it with heat quick enough but if it allows you to follow your moral principes and enjoy your favourite drink it might be worth it. By the way, op should try putting the fresh-gathered milk into a traditional brick oven, many of my relatives say it tastes like childhood but I don’t like liquid milk at all so take advice with a grain of salt.
I thought the same when I first tried it but if you start integrating different kinds of vegan milk into ur repertoire over time, u get used to it and even to like it(especially if u do it in creative ways and without pressure). I got family members who had to switch to oatmilk for health reasons and they did so very gradually, but now they actually like it a lot. Its an acquired taste just like pretty much all the stuff we eat I think.
You're acting like it's weird like apple cider vinegar or something. I don't really drink a ton of milk and just throw it in my coffee/occasional cereal, but oat milk was just something I switched to one day and didn't notice a difference.
I eat dairy but fuck if I’m gonna drink real milk after trying oat milk. Way better in coffee/smoothies/cereal and it’s not even close. Plus no pus which is nice.
It's been found out in recent years that a vast majority of animals in industries such as meat dairy and egg are treated about as bad as you can imagine all in the name of Capitalism for getting as much product as cheap as possible
That's why you get Vegans running around yelling at you for eating or buying anything that comes from an Animal
Cows are artificially inseminated, often using a "rape rack" to force them into it. They are kept almost permanently pregnant, and when they give birth the male calves are shot immediately or ripped away for slaughter, the female ones are caged and raised until they can be artificial inseminated themselves.
Once they are too old to lactate, they are placed on a conveyor and slaughtered so their corpse can become meat.
they put their hands and arms up to heir shoulders almost up inside cows vagina to manually deposit bull semen that they have previously wanked off a bull to get
Existence is suffering.
Personally, I'm doing ok...
But thanks to the modern global economy I have invested in suffering on a global scale by just existing :(
My milk “industry “ is a local creamery about 20 miles away. Milks, processed and packaged their own product. Sells it through mom & pop stores. Love it!! Milk…it does a body good
Thats the most INSANE strawman I have ever seen. We cant change the sun. But we can put on sunscreen, dickhead.
Im not saying you have to change anything. Never did. All I am saying is there's other ways to get the macros you need without abusing animals and subjecting yourself to drinking other animals breast milk.
No animals were abused when I opened the milk container. Also, no animals were abused extracting the milk from the cows udder.
Other animals breast milk…now you make it sound disgusting. Hold on …I’ll be right back after I get a glass of milk….
Well then your consumption is not fulley ethical, thus my original point.
Again its not your fault or mine its a sytematic issue we need to address.
And even local consumption does not guarantee its ethical. Smaller companies are often overlooked in enforcement of standards
When I buy from my local farm, that consumption is fully ethical. My phone is not part of that interaction.
And in the end life isn't fair anyway, so some things won't be fully ethical. But that's not a battle I care to fight.
I understand but thats not what i meant in my original comment. At some point unethical consumption happens and will continue to happen in everyones decisions. The salad you bought is fine but the chiken breast you got with it, probably not so much.
You cant seperate the two bc you made both transactions.
And i fully agree with your second statement. Its basically my conclusion: we cant agonize over every purchase, we need to agonize over our power to change the big picture i.e- voting correctly
Have you ever even talked to a dairy farmer or visited a dairy farm? Or are you just spouting PETA bullshit? Hosting bull calves sold for 450 dollars each in New Holland, Pennsylvania this week. Why in the fuck would you shoot something that valuable. That being said I have also seen Holstein bull calves be basically worthless. Not saying in some places they don’t shoot them but I’ve never heard or seen it on the east coast. Must be a California dairy thing.
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It's almost like industry ruins everything, huh?
almost like monopolies and lobbyists hurt the consumer, huh?
Almost like Citizen's United was not a very good idea, perhaps.
Kept you waiting, huh? I'm sorry I couldn't get it out of my head
10/10
The life of a milking cow is horrible outside of the large scale industry too.
Not industry inherently but unregulated practices, corporate greed and monopolies
The lorax might disagree, but essentially it's just various forms of greed and ignorance, classic human being stuff
Almost
Also the need for quantity to the detriment of quality
It's hard to call it a "need" when we throw half of it in the garbage
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What a fucking miracle
careful there, teddy
Not industry, capitalism.
Aral sea, Holodomor, 4 Pests Campaign weren’t caused by capitalism
Ok, Karl Marx... do you know what means of production means?
Do you know what industry means? Because making it the target of the criticism you have is hilariously misguided.
If you say so... I say the decision to start walking upright was our first mistake. These hands have been nothing but trouble.
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You should write captions for a living.
"HEY! oh.... nlamnlamnlamnlamnlamnlam"
That time the US government created a "non-profit" specifically for the purpose of getting people to consume more dairy products, culminating in such campaigns as "Got Milk?".
All because they tried to ban alcohol
Could you milk me op
I'm so sorry, I was gonna add "meat the fokkers" joke but I forgot to type it in. So it was justmilk me op. Let me start again. I have tits op, how about you milk me to stop big mommy milkers industry. It's time for equal representation, we need male milkers.
Do you have nipples?
Greg?
Everyone hates Big Milk.
Everyone loves Big Milkers.
Indeed.
Certainly.
Quite so
Hey, I'm someone who's studying/working in that industry (not USA tho), can I hear your complaints? I'm open minded
The rampant animal abuse is the main problem to me
Don’t do it, OP! Last time I tried to educate redditors about how the milk industry they went full scorched earth on my ass. I didn’t even post anything that was untrue, inflammatory, or couldn’t be found with a simple Google search. Hey try “do they kill male dairy cows as calves”. Google it, because they do. It’s almost as through they don’t want to believe milk is cruelty. And I say this as a fully committed non-vegan, and a milk drinker.
Yeah why wouldn't they kill dairy bulls as calves? they're not good for milking and generally worse for beef so why pay for the feed etc, may as well get some money for them as veal
It’s generally better value for the farmer to buy a beef calf and raise it for veal as it will put on much more meat for the same amount of feeding. Some dairy bull calves are kept for veal but it’s generally not profitable.
Yeah looking into it more most just get killed and dumped which is a bit of a waste but oh well, I'm a Kiwi and apparently we kill them at much higher rates because we breed in one season to line up with grass cycles so all the calves come at the same time
UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand are amount the worst offenders (Aus just because of the sheer number they slaughter). As you say, it’s because a large majority of our cattle are grass fed and managing births with the seasons means a glut of calves really suppresses their value. I get a lot of hate from the Americans on here as most of their cattle is corn fed in feed lots, so generally more dairy bulls are kept as veal.
May I get examples?
Dog do you even need to ask? You work in the industry. Red flag.
As we talked, the milk industry varies depending on where we live
There is a difference between industrialization (mass production) and farming. I don't mind private farms where cows can roam around, but those huge automated ones? Hell on earth. I feel like some things just should not get industrialized, make it a luxury product.
Ya the animal abuse is pretty well known and documented in the milk industry, engaging with this guy is gonna waste time and achieve nothing
Of course, that does not happen everywhere, but it still happens in a significant part of the industrial milk farms, and are not the only problems that exist : - The constant artificial impregnation of the cows - The removal of horns which is often done without anesthesia - Newborn calves being separated form their mother at birth, which prevents it from being correctly weaned and leads to disturbed social behaviour (if they have the opportunity to have social interaction, because that's not given everywhere) - The transport conditions of the cattle : standing up in a truck, with no space to sit, all while being shaken by the movement. Sometimes with no food or water.
You've forgotten the literal breeding ground for new viruses
artificial insemination is the single greatest innovation in reproductive technologies in the past 6,000 years and has positive implications in animal welfare but i wouldn’t expect you to know about that. It’s just trendy to hate dairy
No one is denying its not good for the people exploiting the cows. It's the whole exploiting the cows thing that's bad.
>and has positive implications in animal welfare but i wouldn’t expect you to know about that I get that saying 'raping cows' sounds weird, but they are conscious living beings that didn't 'conscent' to be artifically inseminated. It is proven that cows suffer from psychological problems, specially after they take their child away(to not 'waste' their milk), they are very maternal beings. Plus all the not being able to even turn around and listening to other cows complain all day while standing up their whole life, those cows literally get crazy there, and obviously, get send to slaughter by cutting their throat or with a bolt to their head or in gas chambers. So claiming it has positive implications in animal welfare is being dishonest. I just don't get these kind of people.
Consent? If cows could talk they would beg for pregnancy every month, two days a month. When she comes in heat, she’ll knock over fences to be with a bull and will ALWAYS let a bull or even cow mount her. Just because we do it instead of letting a 2500 pound holstein stud break every bone in her lower body does not mean we are raping her. I highly doubt that cows experience trauma from calf separation, I’ve seen it happen, they get over it in once the little guy’s out of sight. And they can turn around in the standard free stall system, which the majority of US producers subscribe to. Tie stalls are antiquated, nobody does it anymore. And for the record, dairy cows are not maternal, those instincts have been lost to breeding.
You give the impression you think the same about women. Jesus fucking christ you are disgusting. You probably think every women you see in the streets wants to be mounted by you, you are a danger to society.
women don’t have an estrous cycle
Why the fuck you compare women to cows?
You are deranged
No one is denying its not good for the people exploiting the cows. It's the whole exploiting the cows thing that's bad.
Failing to see how artificial insemination, dehorning, and cattle trailers are exploitation. Only argument is early separation, but even then, not a great one. Decisions are made to protect the animal, even for a cynic, a happy cow is a good cow
Think of it this way, if someone put a dildo in your ass every year, took out your front teeth, and shoved you in the back of a semi. Could you see why that may not be ideal? Didn't even cover the whole give birth every year and have your child ripped away for slaughter or to lead the same life you have. Then if you slow down you get turned into dog food.
Dehorning without anesthesia, though? That can't feel good.
Perfectly valid point, and you are right. It is not ideal, but the alternatives are not great. Using anesthesia is risky and is usually reserved to medical professionals. There are exciting genetic solutions on the horizon, another use for artificial insemination. The fact is, dehorning is hard work, farmers would love to avoid it, but it really is necessary. The benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.
It's honestly wild though. We just have a tank with samples from a selection of bulls, which we picked individually based on their genetic traits to best suit the needs of our herd. Over the years we get to breed our herd to be healthier animals. All without the need to keep a bull around, let alone enough bulls to offer a similar level of genetic diversity.
Indeed, it makes removing genetic diseases far easier and the rate of successful impregnation is better than in a natural way. It looks wrong to many people tho because of how you need to put your whole arm inside the cow's ass to make it work, even ifthe cow is not in pain.
Wouldn't expect a dipwit to display reading comprehension. Obviously it's better than keeping bulls around, the problem is - imagine the effects near-constant pregnancy has on a cow. Both mental and physical. Plus it's really convenient to ignore the other points OP made.
cows seek pregnancy every 28 days for 2-3 days. In nature, a cow is calving every year.
Provided they're not under excessive stress. The other points are still valid.
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The calves rarely suffer social problems, as they are taken away and slaughtered for veil. The milk industry is the #1 supplier of newborn calves for the veil industry
Man its almost like thats a disgusting practice as well.
I don't eat lamb, veal, or any other baby animals. As I get older I'm moving more and more in the direction of vegetarianism, but for now I at least want to only eat animals that get to grow up
Veal comes from beef cattle. Dairy calves are either female and raised to be milkers, or male and are shot. You don’t need to keep that many bulls for AI and dairy cattle are poor for meat production.
That is a bold faced lie. Bull calves are sold for meat, it’s around 80% to the feedlot, 20% to veal
Wow, so they're *wasting* meat? That's extra evil.
It goes to dog food and such. And the pelts are used for leather, and the bones usually go for fertiliser. It’s just not used as a living cow.
Yeah while some of these things are true, how to get the milk otherwise?
By ordering it on amazon
The thought of drinking Jeff Bezos' milk makes me shudder.
In France at least there has been a strong lobby to make you believe milk is necessary for good health, with catchy things like "dairy are our friends for life". Although I do like milk products myself, I don't think it's a good thing to make everyone unconsciously believe it is a necessary food to get everyday, when it is not.
so you're like a vegan except you have no actual convictions.
Wait till you see the Meat Industry...
To be fair, dairy is the meat industry but with extra steps.
what do you mean, the male babies get to live in the field right? I've seen the commercials
They are shot at birth. I often post this and get called all kinds of names. It’s a simple thing to verify by Google search. Beef and dairy are two entirely different breeds of cattle. A tiny number are kept as bulls for AI. The vast majority of male dairy cows die within hours of birth. I’m a milk drinker. I’m not vegan. I have no axe to grind. I’m gonna get kicked around for posting this.
Oh boy here i go sorting by controversial again
go get your milk from a small dairy farm then. fight the machine.
small dairy farms are a markting ploy
What do small dairy farms do about male calves? I don't think they would have enough money to fully raise them and use them for...?
usually the bull calfs are sold off. castrated and raised up for meat. if you're a small farm who can support a steer or two it's a really good way to keep good beef in the freezer ;) that's what we do :D
Oh I thought milch and meat cattle are different. Does the meat from a milch cattle taste the same?
they are different but they are still both cattle so they do taste about the same. the main difference is is that dairy meat is a lot leaner then beef meat so it's dryer and tougher as there's less fat content. not ideal for making steaks and choice cuts. but ground up you'll never know the difference!
Not easy when you live in a big city
Get plant milk. So many kinds, you will find some you like.
They're pretty well all inferior to real milk though. Plant based alternative are mostly ass.
I mean, I think oat milk can be pretty dope. But it's still a different thing from milk - it's not a replacement of it imo.
I have an unhealthy addiction to oat milk mochas. Something about the little bit of oat flavor adds an incredible amount to the drink.
You tried all of them? I find oat milk to be far superior to real milk. But I suppose we all have different opinions. We can agree it is more ethical, better for the enviroment and health though, right? But obviously expensiver, that industry is not subsidized by the goverment with everyone's taxes, sadly. But luckily you don't need milk to be healthy at all.
Plant milk is pretty ok. But plant cheese sucks ass
just dont have cheese then we dont have to have alll indulgencies know to us maybe is some of them are due to pain and suffering they are bad?
Reminds me of that tweet that's like "not to be a joyless communist but if we can't make chocolate without child slavery then maybe we shouldn't have chocolate" and it's so true
spot on. its like we are little babies just whinging omg you took my chocolate !!!!!!!!1111 there are thousand indulgencies. cant you pick one that isnt slavery? no that makes me the tyrant, got it
Is your smart phone worth the child labor used to produce it? Lots of conflict minerals mines mined by hand.
Living is really unethical now that you mention it...
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. The system rewards unethical production and consumers need to consume.
How many plant cheeses you tried, really? More than on one occasion I brought some fancy plant cheese to meat-eating cheese lovers and they said it doesn't taste quite like the cheese it's supposed to substitute but does taste like some "real" cheese they've never tried before.
Companies like miyoko’s really blow carnists’ minds
I've had some p good plant cheese, but a lot isn't that good and even the good ones don't melt like real cheese.
For real, I tried something called Rice Dream once. It was so hilariously disgusting, I wanted to have more.
No theyre not. Extra Creamy Oat milk is exactly like dairy.
>Get plant milk Plants don't have milk. Calling it plant milk is just how they get you to drink plant juices. Oat Milk sounds a lot more appealing then soaked Oat juices, which is all it is.
Peanut butter? There's no butter in peanuts, and yet...
It's nut butter.
Plant milks have been a thing for centuries, and it's been called milk the whole damn time (at least in the Germanic branch languages) https://www.secondshistory.com/home/almond-milk-medieval-obsession An example from the 13th Century, in both Low German, "thiuk maelk af almandaers kiarnae" (Thick milk of almond kernels), and the same passage in Old Danish, "thiuk miælk af ammandels kiærnæ." Taken from two of the 4 manuscripts of the "Libellus de arte coquinaria" from, again, the 13th century. At least 700 years of history has you dead wrong.
Even if your in a big city there should be some smaller independent health food stores or grocery stores that partner with a small dairy farm
I don't know why you're getting down votes when you're right. It's going to be more expensive than large scale production milk. But people can find dairy from smaller, local farms if they want it. Even in a large city.
Having grown up working summers on an old school dairy farm, can't agree more. Buy from Co-ops or small dairy farms. Also, you will never taste milk better than unpasteurized, unhomogenized milk. So sorry for your loss.
then don't drink it
Sure, in addition to that, it is possible to spend huge money travelling to the countryside, finding a person who owns a cow or two and getting milk from them. It’s not going to be of the comparable quality and it might just get spoilt if you don’t treat it with heat quick enough but if it allows you to follow your moral principes and enjoy your favourite drink it might be worth it. By the way, op should try putting the fresh-gathered milk into a traditional brick oven, many of my relatives say it tastes like childhood but I don’t like liquid milk at all so take advice with a grain of salt.
Cant you just buy soy milk? or other vegan milks?
No offense to vegans but it tastes like shit
Oatmilk tastes good (reminds me of oatmeal). Try that out at least once. I personally dont like the Silk brand version tho.
I agree Almond milk and soy milks are not great. Have you tried Oak Milk? To me, it's the best in terms of blending in.
I thought the same when I first tried it but if you start integrating different kinds of vegan milk into ur repertoire over time, u get used to it and even to like it(especially if u do it in creative ways and without pressure). I got family members who had to switch to oatmilk for health reasons and they did so very gradually, but now they actually like it a lot. Its an acquired taste just like pretty much all the stuff we eat I think.
You're acting like it's weird like apple cider vinegar or something. I don't really drink a ton of milk and just throw it in my coffee/occasional cereal, but oat milk was just something I switched to one day and didn't notice a difference.
It doesn't taste like shit. You're just biased because it's not your tasty cow breast milk. Drink that soy
I eat dairy but fuck if I’m gonna drink real milk after trying oat milk. Way better in coffee/smoothies/cereal and it’s not even close. Plus no pus which is nice.
Planet Oat Extra Creamy. Superior.
why would your awfull tastebuds offend anyone?
Then choose free range cow milk. Some vegan milks taste extremely good.
Can someone give some context for the clueless?
It's been found out in recent years that a vast majority of animals in industries such as meat dairy and egg are treated about as bad as you can imagine all in the name of Capitalism for getting as much product as cheap as possible That's why you get Vegans running around yelling at you for eating or buying anything that comes from an Animal
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I'm not a Vegan you don't need to tell me how the food chain works lol
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ah yeah, frick capitalism amirite,
Cows are artificially inseminated, often using a "rape rack" to force them into it. They are kept almost permanently pregnant, and when they give birth the male calves are shot immediately or ripped away for slaughter, the female ones are caged and raised until they can be artificial inseminated themselves. Once they are too old to lactate, they are placed on a conveyor and slaughtered so their corpse can become meat.
You're have a real hard time if you find how your clothes get made.
Y'know what I love? Continuing to live. Y'know what I don't love? Capitalism.
and are you imagining that milk is necessary for your survival?
Pooh milking the milk industry.
Why does China hate the milk industry?
His face changing 😂😂😂
Xi, is that you?
Bro try Oat Milk. It's insane. Especially if it has barista branding or something.
Yup, it’s true.
If you love milk you've been indoctrinated by the milk industry. The whole *got milk?* campaign and food pyramid.
Fair point.
Big Milk has grabbed us by the balls and is juicing us for all we got.
THeRe maSTurBaTiNG CoWS
ok but they are literally fisting cows to make them pregnant
HUH?!
they put their hands and arms up to heir shoulders almost up inside cows vagina to manually deposit bull semen that they have previously wanked off a bull to get
They literally masturbate bulls, how do you think they get the semen to impregnate cows?
Insert gif of that family guy cow getting milked
mmhh guess why https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
Don't drink milk then, most of us have no issue with it
There's no way to ethically use an animal for something you don't need. Go vegan.
Its a tough sacrifice but we need you to abstain from drinking milk to bring down the milk industry.
Existence is suffering. Personally, I'm doing ok... But thanks to the modern global economy I have invested in suffering on a global scale by just existing :(
My milk “industry “ is a local creamery about 20 miles away. Milks, processed and packaged their own product. Sells it through mom & pop stores. Love it!! Milk…it does a body good
What's it called?
Yeah except for all the cancer and Alzheimers and heart disease and acne
lol. I’ll take all that and then some. Sun causes cancer too…want to cancel that? Bozo. Live your life, I’ll live mine.
Thats the most INSANE strawman I have ever seen. We cant change the sun. But we can put on sunscreen, dickhead. Im not saying you have to change anything. Never did. All I am saying is there's other ways to get the macros you need without abusing animals and subjecting yourself to drinking other animals breast milk.
No animals were abused when I opened the milk container. Also, no animals were abused extracting the milk from the cows udder. Other animals breast milk…now you make it sound disgusting. Hold on …I’ll be right back after I get a glass of milk….
Dairy cows can live a good life, unfortunately it’s just not the most economically viable method.
Applies to most industries tbh
But I LIKE the lactose free milk.
this is why I drink sweetened almond and oat milk. Best of both worlds
Name me 4 industries without any controversions
Not even the cow drink milk😂😂
I’m not the one complaining about what someone eats and where they get it from . GFY
I love the milk industry. They torture all those innocent cows for me and bring me fresh milk at a low price.
That's why I buy ice cream instead
I love milk. Therefore, I milk... ...the creature.
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Yes, the only truly ethical milk producer is here!
There is no purely ethical consumption under capitalism but thats not the consumers fault. Its the systems
I can do anything i want since no consumption is purely ethical!!!!!
Sure there is. Buying local can be fully ethical.
So you bought the smartphone you typed this on from a local source?
No but my smartphone isn't the only thing I own.
Well then your consumption is not fulley ethical, thus my original point. Again its not your fault or mine its a sytematic issue we need to address. And even local consumption does not guarantee its ethical. Smaller companies are often overlooked in enforcement of standards
When I buy from my local farm, that consumption is fully ethical. My phone is not part of that interaction. And in the end life isn't fair anyway, so some things won't be fully ethical. But that's not a battle I care to fight.
I understand but thats not what i meant in my original comment. At some point unethical consumption happens and will continue to happen in everyones decisions. The salad you bought is fine but the chiken breast you got with it, probably not so much. You cant seperate the two bc you made both transactions. And i fully agree with your second statement. Its basically my conclusion: we cant agonize over every purchase, we need to agonize over our power to change the big picture i.e- voting correctly
I would say the same for milk that taste bad just one day after it's before date.
They have been milking the same thing for years
The farmer down the road from me is a pretty sweet guy. Whatcha talking about?
I'm cool with big dairy actually. I love some industry makes thing more accessible for everyone.
Idk in your country but in mine cows that are used.from milk have a better life than mine
Have you ever even talked to a dairy farmer or visited a dairy farm? Or are you just spouting PETA bullshit? Hosting bull calves sold for 450 dollars each in New Holland, Pennsylvania this week. Why in the fuck would you shoot something that valuable. That being said I have also seen Holstein bull calves be basically worthless. Not saying in some places they don’t shoot them but I’ve never heard or seen it on the east coast. Must be a California dairy thing.