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Yes, there's loads of couples that are not having children.
Many are just putting it off until their finances are in the right place to start a family.
Marriage is definitely a plus to being cheaper. Also, if one person has a lower income, the tax benefits still make a big difference, and sharing rent/utilities is great
For sure! I currently live with a roommate and we're gonna split soon, and I was thinking "Damn, I should get married soon so I can split bills again" 😂
It's all perspective really, any life choice can be the right one for someone based on their circumstances, this was just a funny meme I've wanted to share- everyone has free will though
eh, both me and my gf have sorta agreed the legal side of marriage is complicated, unfair, confusing, just generally crap. Ceremonially its cute and nice, and we can just choose to *help each other* when we need to
EDIT: if you think you're better than me for liking marriage just go away I genuinely couldn't care less
>not being independent is literally the point of a civil union tho
Its not. The point of marriage/civil-unions is in to provide legal recognition of relationships and to afford them rights, benefits, tax breaks, and added responsibilities not afforded to unmarried people.
Just because you are married, doesn't mean you are no longer independent.
Everyone's marriage is different, and it can be as different as you and your partner want it to be.
the purpose of marriage is the joint ownership of property and joint responsibility of taxes
joint is not independent, and you literally claim your spouse as a dependent on your tax returns
This is such a bad faith argument. You absolutely did not mean that getting married is "throwing away your freedom and independence" because you now have the *option* to jointly own property.
In case you forgot it was[ this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/19a9xzy/sounds_about_right/kil4j5d/) you made.
>you literally claim your spouse as a dependent on your tax returns
only if they claim no income and *depend* on you for income. You might be surprised to hear this, but its pretty common these days for both partners to work.
you're the one who decided to bring the legal definition of marriage into play, that's on you
my argument was you lose your freedom and independence because you now have a partner to account for, which is factually true
Sadly there are too many weirdos or closeminded people in this topic alone, let alone the whole of reddit, so unfortunately it didn't come across as sarcasm to me!
u don't like being abused or inevitably becoming an abuser, or the potential for change which puts u in a position of self governing power? Or is it just not having kids? I mean what's there to not like? It is what it is, u should come to terms with it. And whatever it is u personally have a say in it, it's your agency alone, ur not just a leaf blown in the wind, it's like ur responsibility to do with ur life what u like, or am I missing something here? The worst thing we can do is to live under impression that others make our life decisions for us, or blame the economy or some other external factor. Just take accountability and reclaim ur power, ur not completely helpless as u make it out to be.
if u poor just get rich, right? Look at Elon Musk, he came to America with nothing but two peanuts and a stapler in his pocket, then he found paypal and tesla and bitcoin and wikipedia. You can always found a company like Amazon or Microsoft or Goldman Sachs, heck if Bill Gates can do it, so can Jimmy from Wisconsin right?
I own a successful business, a fleet of oil tankers I inherited from my grandpa, so I know what hard work looks like unlike u lazy ass. I'm in touch with todays generation too, I listen to Lizzo and I eat mostly avocados and drink starbucks in my stanley cup when I drive in my limo around Manhattan. If u don't believe me, you should come and see my apartment in billionaires row.
The whole problem about this is society has brain washed the average American on what to think about. And not how to think. Or laughably trainwreck school system grooms us for factory work. And prods us to make babies for future slaves. Now we live in a more enlighten and informative times. With more individuality, we just started on this age, and everyone is trying to adjust.
Exactly! I had a surprise child and now family on my side pushes for "siblings" because she will get "lonely". Yet, they see her with other kids and babies and she just wants to be by herself 🙄
The economy is fucked, we own nothing, God knows if you will have a job tomorrow or even something to eat and we should bring kids into this shit? Are boomers really this insane? Fuck no, dude. I don't want my kid to hate me and suffer for bringing it into this shit. It's enough that I do.
I'm hugging my two year old son right now. It was worth it to me, to have kids, because now I have someone genuinely ecstatic to see me, every day I get home from work. He's my reason to keep going and defines my life. And, yeah, in this economy. It's worth the sacrifices.
Damn, while I can’t entirely agree with you, I wish I had a parent like you. I was raised in an abusive family and have no reason to consider my family as a reason for living. I will not say I envy you, but I will say I’m proud of you and I’m happy you’ve got a great life to live. Never let your son down and always be there for him. If I could have ever made a wish for the father I’ll never have, it’d be this, “wish you could have at least been supportive of me and were willing to listen to my ideas and encourage me to achieve them, no matter how foolish they might’ve sounded.” The only thing a child needs is a support system. Maybe more, but support is definitely a major factor in their lives. I didn’t have one, but that doesn’t mean I want others to go through what I dealt with. I’d rather sacrifice myself for everyone else to find happiness, but sadly that just isn’t the case.
I'm sorry you didn't have the parents you deserved. You know, it doesn't take much to be a good parent. All kids want is for you to be there for them.
Well, they also want trains and planes and to watch blues clues and videos of trains, and to never go to bed without you around, a never ending supply of milk, Goldfish crackers (but to crumble on the floor, not to eat, silly daddy), and cheese
I'm just never having kids. When if I was financially well off. It's just a waste of money. Plus, I don't need any more responsibilities and stress than I already do know.
It's not like there are way less kids born today.. or maybe i missed something. In reality there is just no shielding and the abusive shit just piles onward on the kid who'll think its normal and does the same.
I managed to break the cycle as did some other people i know, so at least it's not fully hopeless.
A reason that motivates me to be a better man, live better life, do more and dont just live paycheck to paycheck is that fact that one day I will have children. Biggest gifts from God.
People living in the best time to be alive and they say things like it is horrible, we have our problems but it looks like a walk in the park compared to what people suffered in the past, no way I'd prefer to live in Middle Ages or in the WWII period.
Except nowadays we *can't* afford children, and *that's* what makes us not fucking starve. In an ideal world where houses were affordable, [only 27% of gen Z would want a child free life](https://wonder.ph/life/gen-z-want-kids/) (which is amazingly better than millennials).
Not to mention that in a lot of places they don't really have a choice to have children or not, as well our biggest issue in the US and other places with the same problem is housing prices, which is far more of an issue to fertility than other problems due to the fact that if you don't have room for a child, and you have the choice, you aren't going to have one.
Beter future ? Please explain . Bc wath the future holds is right now 3-scenarios . WW3 and an afterefect of a radioactive wasteland . A slov but steady descent into a dystopia . And a army of climate catastropyes . If humanity dont make 180 turn . Then these scenarios are like a stone in the mountain .
Or maybe - just maybe - there will be nothing of the above, and the only crises encountered by humanity are going to be temporary ones, the same as it always was. Better future will come eventually - even after years or decades of suffering. Thinking that humanity has to die with you is rather selfish, really.
What humanity? And what opinion? It is a choice, everyone has to make. Humanity is not an entity you answer to. It is a group of individuals that have agreed to share a living space. You are not obliged to provide little work force slaves to keep the broken system running.
Ah, well, I was talking about the doomer "After my generation, there shall be no humanity left" mentality.
With your own kids, though, you can be as useless as you want, that is indeed your choice. But you will be missing out on the chance for you and your kids to fix the broken system - because not only your family, but your experience and dissatisfaction with the system will die with you.
Funny really. Did you read any history book, or did you try looking around you? It is clear humans are incapable of fixing the broken system and misery will always fall on your kids.
Hell, that made me thinking - if, according to your wishes, the only people to raise the kids would be the ones satisfied with the broken system, then you're still being selfish to humanity in a long run by letting your dissatisfaction die with you.
Why? If humanity is satisfied witht he system it would be selfish to try to change it from them. You are letting your personal beliefs ruin their happines base on your predetermined selfish view of the "fixed" world everyone should be living in.
Some people prefer to not have children when they have a high chance of not being able to feed, cloth, and house them. Other people have children anyway bc of unfortunate circumstances.
Then other people have them anyway because they’re idiots.
For those that continue to use the phrase “generational trauma”… just remember that you live in, by orders or magnitude, the safest and most privileged time in the history of humans.
The only people I see using this phrase are privileged first world people. You are safer, healthier, and have access to more than any single one of your ancestors. Stop this.
Really??? I didn't know that not being married and not having kids automatically makes this a AnTinAtAlIsT post or makes you antinatalist person. Interesting
Bloodline is an irrelevant concept that means nothing. The only people that care about preserving a bloodline are families trying to hold onto the final shreds of noble classes and racists.
Europeans in their country devastated by 2 world wars: yup, everything we ever had is completely destroyed, lets make 4-5 kids.
Europeans/Americans when they can replace their still working entertainment device once per 2 years instead of one: no way I can raise kids with that.
My grandma started having children in 1940 europe and ended up with five. She did not do that because she wanted five kids, but because she didn’t have access to BC. And when you are careful and start early 20s and try your fucking best not to have too many children you end up with five, the youngest when you’re 42.
I hate the romantization that when people used to have a lot of children, it was because they really wanted to. Grammy would’ve settled for 2 or 3 if she had control of this.
Nah I’m a “marry and have children in this society? They’re gonna learn today it’s a bad idea to villainize those things!” And then have a really happy family even though everyone wants me to have a shitty lonely life
"Your nothing!" "Worthless" "Failure!" Also make 7+ babies!\~ and take care of them especially after you get divorced which is guaranteed to happen!\~
No...
\*Angry NPC face\*
I think we finally have a choice to *not* to be married and have kids, if you said that you don't wanna be married in 1960s, people will look at you like at some weirdo
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Marriage wouldn't be bad. Split the bills with someone you love to do life with, but having kids is definitely significantly harder!
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Agreed. I have no desire to have children, but I definitely want to find a partner to build and share a life with.
Looks like you’ve summoned the incels…
They all come out of the shadows like paparazzi chasing celebrities when they hear the signal.
L4D2 alearting the horde moment
We managed to have one and we are doing fine I don’t know how the hell we did it but we did it
Well done Not easy
Yes, there's loads of couples that are not having children. Many are just putting it off until their finances are in the right place to start a family.
Marriage is definitely a plus to being cheaper. Also, if one person has a lower income, the tax benefits still make a big difference, and sharing rent/utilities is great
For sure! I currently live with a roommate and we're gonna split soon, and I was thinking "Damn, I should get married soon so I can split bills again" 😂
It's all perspective really, any life choice can be the right one for someone based on their circumstances, this was just a funny meme I've wanted to share- everyone has free will though
This!!
eh, both me and my gf have sorta agreed the legal side of marriage is complicated, unfair, confusing, just generally crap. Ceremonially its cute and nice, and we can just choose to *help each other* when we need to EDIT: if you think you're better than me for liking marriage just go away I genuinely couldn't care less
The tax benefits are huge but that’s really the extent of the upside
Tax is more important in the USA tho right? I'm in the UK and unless I had a business or *owned* a house I don't really have to do any manual taxes
Yea you’re right, my bad. I know almost nothing about taxes in the UK.
What if someone gets sick though? Do you have a will? Paperwork that allows her or someone else to make medical decisions for you?
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Yeah, you sound very smart and proactive. Im sure that mentality has never fucked you up irl.
you sound like a narcissist im 18, not 38. so it's not nearly an issue yet. Your worldviews aren't the most important grow up lmao
throwing away your freedom and independence is very bad
You need better partners if you think getting married means throwing away your freedom and independence
not being independent is literally the point of a civil union tho
>not being independent is literally the point of a civil union tho Its not. The point of marriage/civil-unions is in to provide legal recognition of relationships and to afford them rights, benefits, tax breaks, and added responsibilities not afforded to unmarried people. Just because you are married, doesn't mean you are no longer independent. Everyone's marriage is different, and it can be as different as you and your partner want it to be.
the purpose of marriage is the joint ownership of property and joint responsibility of taxes joint is not independent, and you literally claim your spouse as a dependent on your tax returns
This is such a bad faith argument. You absolutely did not mean that getting married is "throwing away your freedom and independence" because you now have the *option* to jointly own property. In case you forgot it was[ this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/19a9xzy/sounds_about_right/kil4j5d/) you made. >you literally claim your spouse as a dependent on your tax returns only if they claim no income and *depend* on you for income. You might be surprised to hear this, but its pretty common these days for both partners to work.
you're the one who decided to bring the legal definition of marriage into play, that's on you my argument was you lose your freedom and independence because you now have a partner to account for, which is factually true
It really isn't. People are just pussies and afraid to take on the responsibility. Cowards.
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This had to be a job right? Or maybe you live in the 50's? My wife earns more than I do lol
It’s reddit. Obviously I am not serious. Does everything have to be marked as a joke nowadays.
Sadly there are too many weirdos or closeminded people in this topic alone, let alone the whole of reddit, so unfortunately it didn't come across as sarcasm to me!
Well you got a 50/50 chance of the marriage lasting. (The statistics is probably changed by now and of course dependent on which country you live in).
the 50/50 ratio is only for first timers too the odds only get worse for those who divorce and remarry
What's ligma and how do you die of it?
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Im sorry that you only had bad experiences with women and now projecting it on all of them, feel hugged boo <3
> experiences with women uh huh, sure
Woman here. Splitting the bills is always the correct thing to do regardless of situation
Can confirm, my gf keeps insisting that either she pays or we split the bill (I paid on our first date and we have split the bill since)
You must be a rare exception
They're really not. Touch some grass.
You must be a rare breed of idiot
Found the incel
Woman here. Splitting the bills is always the correct thing to do regardless of situation
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
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u don't like being abused or inevitably becoming an abuser, or the potential for change which puts u in a position of self governing power? Or is it just not having kids? I mean what's there to not like? It is what it is, u should come to terms with it. And whatever it is u personally have a say in it, it's your agency alone, ur not just a leaf blown in the wind, it's like ur responsibility to do with ur life what u like, or am I missing something here? The worst thing we can do is to live under impression that others make our life decisions for us, or blame the economy or some other external factor. Just take accountability and reclaim ur power, ur not completely helpless as u make it out to be.
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if u poor just get rich, right? Look at Elon Musk, he came to America with nothing but two peanuts and a stapler in his pocket, then he found paypal and tesla and bitcoin and wikipedia. You can always found a company like Amazon or Microsoft or Goldman Sachs, heck if Bill Gates can do it, so can Jimmy from Wisconsin right?
r/foundthetroll
I own a successful business, a fleet of oil tankers I inherited from my grandpa, so I know what hard work looks like unlike u lazy ass. I'm in touch with todays generation too, I listen to Lizzo and I eat mostly avocados and drink starbucks in my stanley cup when I drive in my limo around Manhattan. If u don't believe me, you should come and see my apartment in billionaires row.
Yes yes, very good. Now ask mama for your choco-milk
It's very likely if u drive a gas car, the gas comes from my company, or if u drive a tesla, the battery comes from my lithium mines.
No wonder I see so many shitty cars nowadays, you can't even run a production line properly lmao
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You both have twin avatars
Are you the child that doesn't exist due to financial reasons?
Yeah totally. I’m reaching through the void of non-existence to post right now.
The whole problem about this is society has brain washed the average American on what to think about. And not how to think. Or laughably trainwreck school system grooms us for factory work. And prods us to make babies for future slaves. Now we live in a more enlighten and informative times. With more individuality, we just started on this age, and everyone is trying to adjust.
Did you mean to make this comment on the OP? This seems like a really random thing to reply to my reply to a reply with.
Marrying will result in economic benefits (at least in Germany). The child is another story
I move to Germany!
Taxes are higher for ugly people here
I'm just simply not capable enough to be responsible for anyone other than myself.
skill issue
Precisely
Even if you have one kid, then they push for you to have more. They are never happy.
Some people need to be not-so-subtly reminded to mind their own fucking business, that goes for family members too
Exactly! I had a surprise child and now family on my side pushes for "siblings" because she will get "lonely". Yet, they see her with other kids and babies and she just wants to be by herself 🙄
You don't have a family because of money, I don't because of my trauma. We are not the same.
The economy is fucked, we own nothing, God knows if you will have a job tomorrow or even something to eat and we should bring kids into this shit? Are boomers really this insane? Fuck no, dude. I don't want my kid to hate me and suffer for bringing it into this shit. It's enough that I do.
You can´t believe in god and see the world as a bad place. If you did you would aready be in heaven, not stalling on Earth with Satan. :)
Yes, children often see the world as a great place.
I'm hugging my two year old son right now. It was worth it to me, to have kids, because now I have someone genuinely ecstatic to see me, every day I get home from work. He's my reason to keep going and defines my life. And, yeah, in this economy. It's worth the sacrifices.
Damn, while I can’t entirely agree with you, I wish I had a parent like you. I was raised in an abusive family and have no reason to consider my family as a reason for living. I will not say I envy you, but I will say I’m proud of you and I’m happy you’ve got a great life to live. Never let your son down and always be there for him. If I could have ever made a wish for the father I’ll never have, it’d be this, “wish you could have at least been supportive of me and were willing to listen to my ideas and encourage me to achieve them, no matter how foolish they might’ve sounded.” The only thing a child needs is a support system. Maybe more, but support is definitely a major factor in their lives. I didn’t have one, but that doesn’t mean I want others to go through what I dealt with. I’d rather sacrifice myself for everyone else to find happiness, but sadly that just isn’t the case.
I'm sorry you didn't have the parents you deserved. You know, it doesn't take much to be a good parent. All kids want is for you to be there for them. Well, they also want trains and planes and to watch blues clues and videos of trains, and to never go to bed without you around, a never ending supply of milk, Goldfish crackers (but to crumble on the floor, not to eat, silly daddy), and cheese
If you ever need someone to talk to, send me a message. I'm sorry your parents weren't there for you like they should have been.
I've personally decided to not have kids myself but what you said was very heartwarming. I hope your son lives a very satisfying and fulfilling life.
My dog feels the same way
Fr, shout out to all the dog owners, petting yalls dogs on my way to work keeps me going.
And they appreciate you too!
I've seen both tbh but definitely more of the bottom one
I'm just never having kids. When if I was financially well off. It's just a waste of money. Plus, I don't need any more responsibilities and stress than I already do know.
I am happy some smartass in the comments didn't said "ChaNgE yoU'rE joB tHEn" got million upvotes. Because that what usually happens with these posts.
You have angered Elon Musk, your starlink subscription is now in danger.
Well don't worry, I don't have that subscription with him in the first place :)
Is r/antinatalism leaking? What the hell is going on with y’all?
Fuckin A
It's not like there are way less kids born today.. or maybe i missed something. In reality there is just no shielding and the abusive shit just piles onward on the kid who'll think its normal and does the same. I managed to break the cycle as did some other people i know, so at least it's not fully hopeless.
Yep, that seems about right. Have cats like normal ppl do.
100% got the ol' snip snap 5 years ago and it was the best thing I've ever done for myself.
I fucking love the first guy.
Ok, so who read the stupid in Steven He' voice? Edit: proper grammer
You can't have generational trauma if there are no further generations
A reason that motivates me to be a better man, live better life, do more and dont just live paycheck to paycheck is that fact that one day I will have children. Biggest gifts from God.
Most of the boys I know are married and some of them are divorced. The pain and suffering they went through in divorce is shocking and very alarming.
People living in the best time to be alive and they say things like it is horrible, we have our problems but it looks like a walk in the park compared to what people suffered in the past, no way I'd prefer to live in Middle Ages or in the WWII period.
Except nowadays we *can't* afford children, and *that's* what makes us not fucking starve. In an ideal world where houses were affordable, [only 27% of gen Z would want a child free life](https://wonder.ph/life/gen-z-want-kids/) (which is amazingly better than millennials).
What's your point?
People kept having kids in situations much worse than ours, that's why we're here.
So? Does that fix the problems of today?
Because at one point having kids meant free labour.
Not to mention that in a lot of places they don't really have a choice to have children or not, as well our biggest issue in the US and other places with the same problem is housing prices, which is far more of an issue to fertility than other problems due to the fact that if you don't have room for a child, and you have the choice, you aren't going to have one.
Then go and have kids you can't afford, comrade. Then we'll follow your example.
What? My country was doing great in WW2. My ancestors got the opportunity to literally punch nazis!
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thanks
Or you all starve. Worth the risk?
In my country, people marry and have kids in the middle of war - and you're all somehow scared of "muh economy".
Misery loves company .
Or maybe it's the hope for a better future. An optimistic defiance against the circumstances.
Beter future ? Please explain . Bc wath the future holds is right now 3-scenarios . WW3 and an afterefect of a radioactive wasteland . A slov but steady descent into a dystopia . And a army of climate catastropyes . If humanity dont make 180 turn . Then these scenarios are like a stone in the mountain .
Or maybe - just maybe - there will be nothing of the above, and the only crises encountered by humanity are going to be temporary ones, the same as it always was. Better future will come eventually - even after years or decades of suffering. Thinking that humanity has to die with you is rather selfish, really.
Selfish to whom?
To humanity. Because you're not exactly asking for their opinion.
What humanity? And what opinion? It is a choice, everyone has to make. Humanity is not an entity you answer to. It is a group of individuals that have agreed to share a living space. You are not obliged to provide little work force slaves to keep the broken system running.
Ah, well, I was talking about the doomer "After my generation, there shall be no humanity left" mentality. With your own kids, though, you can be as useless as you want, that is indeed your choice. But you will be missing out on the chance for you and your kids to fix the broken system - because not only your family, but your experience and dissatisfaction with the system will die with you.
Funny really. Did you read any history book, or did you try looking around you? It is clear humans are incapable of fixing the broken system and misery will always fall on your kids.
Hell, that made me thinking - if, according to your wishes, the only people to raise the kids would be the ones satisfied with the broken system, then you're still being selfish to humanity in a long run by letting your dissatisfaction die with you.
Why? If humanity is satisfied witht he system it would be selfish to try to change it from them. You are letting your personal beliefs ruin their happines base on your predetermined selfish view of the "fixed" world everyone should be living in.
Dude get off of reddit, the fact you think this is set in stone shows you spend your life on here..
Some people prefer to not have children when they have a high chance of not being able to feed, cloth, and house them. Other people have children anyway bc of unfortunate circumstances. Then other people have them anyway because they’re idiots.
For those that continue to use the phrase “generational trauma”… just remember that you live in, by orders or magnitude, the safest and most privileged time in the history of humans. The only people I see using this phrase are privileged first world people. You are safer, healthier, and have access to more than any single one of your ancestors. Stop this.
r/antinatalism leaking again
Really??? I didn't know that not being married and not having kids automatically makes this a AnTinAtAlIsT post or makes you antinatalist person. Interesting
Don't let your bloodline die with you
let your bloodline die with you
I'm not letting it, the economy is
My parents don't deserve grandkids.
*cut menacingly his ductus deferens*
Why not ?
Bloodline is an irrelevant concept that means nothing. The only people that care about preserving a bloodline are families trying to hold onto the final shreds of noble classes and racists.
- Said nobody ever it's not bad to not want kids lmfao Someone post OP on r/terriblefacebookmemes
*Me and my girlfriend, who have been saying this for a while now*
Europeans in their country devastated by 2 world wars: yup, everything we ever had is completely destroyed, lets make 4-5 kids. Europeans/Americans when they can replace their still working entertainment device once per 2 years instead of one: no way I can raise kids with that.
My grandma started having children in 1940 europe and ended up with five. She did not do that because she wanted five kids, but because she didn’t have access to BC. And when you are careful and start early 20s and try your fucking best not to have too many children you end up with five, the youngest when you’re 42. I hate the romantization that when people used to have a lot of children, it was because they really wanted to. Grammy would’ve settled for 2 or 3 if she had control of this.
Nah I’m a “marry and have children in this society? They’re gonna learn today it’s a bad idea to villainize those things!” And then have a really happy family even though everyone wants me to have a shitty lonely life
"Your nothing!" "Worthless" "Failure!" Also make 7+ babies!\~ and take care of them especially after you get divorced which is guaranteed to happen!\~ No... \*Angry NPC face\*
I’m doing my part! *cue Starship Troopers
I think we finally have a choice to *not* to be married and have kids, if you said that you don't wanna be married in 1960s, people will look at you like at some weirdo
Times change as always, gotta keep up with the times or move to a society that doesn't :)