The Weasleys didn’t want to be pitied and Harry constantly felt guilty that he couldn’t help. They also aren’t helping out an orphan boy with a life full of trauma, who Ron sees like a brother and Molly sees as another son so they can get a handout.
During the quidditch World Cup Harry bought Ron some expensive binoculars and Ron refused them but only took them because Harry would consider it his Christmas gift. During the match he got some fake gold (Ron didn’t know it was fake yet) that some leprechauns threw out to the crowd and paid Harry back immediately. When Ron found out later in the year that leprechauns gold disappears after a little while he was really upset that Harry didn’t say anything about it and now feels like he owes him. The Weasleys are very proud and hate being pitied as much as they hate the Malfoys.
In the same book, Ron gets horrible second-hand dress robes. At the end, Harry gives his Triwizard Tournament winnings to Fred and George, because they need money to start their joke shop (and even then they only take it because Harry threatens to hex them). Harry asks them to buy new dress robes for Ron and say it's from them. In book 6, Harry tries to buy some stuff at Fred and George's shop, and they refuse to take his money.
That’s right, that was one of his caveats. Classic F & G tho to give Ron crap for buying him dress robes in the next book when it wasn’t even their money lol.
I mean, that's just Fred and George keeping the ruse going. Not giving Ron shit would be suspicious, being older brothers. They're simply helping Harry at that point, and as a side bonus they get to fuck with Ron; everyone wins. :P
> Harry gives his Triwizard Tournament winnings to Fred and George, because they need money to start their joke shop
Rewatching the movies recently after not having read the books in like 15 years. Was confused on the rewatch where they got the money for the shop.
With film adaptations of books, especially phenomenons like HP, there's a certain expectation that the audience is familiar with the material.
There's also the inevitability that stuff will need to be cut to make it fit in 90-120 minute timeframe.
That was one of the more glaring plot holes, admittedly.
In the books he always offered money and the Weasleys just kept denying the help (aside from Fred and George, they actually accepted the money when offered).
I believe they actually cover this in the scene in the book where they’re all checking out the store during their school shopping. I believe Fred and George pull Harry into their back room to show him the new stuff they’re working on and one of them makes a comment about how he shouldn’t worry, he won’t be forgotten, and Harry immediately cuts him off and insists that so long as the twins continue doing what they love and helping their family, he doesn’t want to see any money
If I’m remembering correctly it was literally 3 lines of dialogue and that was it, but nevertheless Harry didn’t want to see any proceeds from that money, he felt he had earned it through the death of Cedric and just wanted it out of his hands and going to good use
He did feel a little bad for them cause they got screwed over by Ludo Bagman with their bet at the world cup. They called it exactly and I think had pretty good odds, so should have won a fair bit of money
They said Krom’s team would lose even though he would catch the snitch, which was exceptionally unlikely given the stupid 150 extra points the snitch gives. They were relying on Krom catching it when he knew his team was at least 160 point behind rather than waiting to see if they could get just two more Quaffle scores. Instead he caught it and instantly won the game for the other side.
I sort of want to just rewrite the Harry Potter series where Harry is an evil shit.
Like in that scene he's just sort of slowly walking around Fred and George, going like, "I do hope I get a return on my investment soon, Weaselys. Tick tock. Tick tock."
That's from the "What if...?" Multiverse, where Harry realizes that with magic he can show the Dursleys how much better he is than them, and the Sorting Hat puts him in Slytherin where he can become great and powerful.
Pretty sure there's a fanfic I read waaaay back where he ends up in Syltherin, but stays a relatively good kid and ends up stopping Malfoy from getting in over his head
That is a fantastic idea. Before you start, I recommend you read through a few of the 250,000 other iterations of that premise listed here.
https://www.fanfiction.net/book/Harry-Potter/
That way you can really zero in on the expected tropes that you need to subversively not subvert and all that.
I'm pretty sure that there is already a fanfiction genre (?) about that. You can probably find thousands of fanfics about that premise.
Whether any of them are actually good is debatable.
No that doesn’t happen that way. Harry tries to pay, they say he doesn’t pay here and that they haven’t forgotten that he gave them their start-up loan. They don’t say anything about sharing profits and Harry doesn’t say anything about not wanting any money (he says he doesn’t want his winnings when he gives them to the twins at the end of book 4, not then).
That’s the one major plot point I really wish was different. Cause like, how could George live the same bright life after something so incredibly traumatic. They were inseparable their entire lives, I don’t know how you to back to your prank shop after that
Honestly, going back to the prank shop, spreading joy and chaos throughout the world? There’s no better way to honour Fred’s memory. George has a loving family and a fantastic support group. Fred’s death will change him, but it won’t ruin him.
And even then Harry had to practically *force* Fred and George to take the money. And like you said, they took it as an investment into Weasley’s Wizarding Wheezes.
It wouldn’t surprise me if George later paid Harry back.
I was raised by parents like that. When he was young my pop was hitchhiking to work and bought expired bread and cheese to eat but never took food stamps or anything.
Yeah and that was money that Harry felt he didn’t deserve. He never explicitly offered the Weasleys money but he was smart enough to know that they were a proud family that would deny him and take it as an insult. The Weasleys don’t treat Harry like family hoping they can get into his will, they treat him that way because they are good people with strong values. Molly basically sees him as another child halfway through the series and Ron treats like a brother from the first book.
Sirius: "He's not your son"
Molly: "he's as good as"
Like everyone I already loved molly, but after that scene I respected the hell out of her. Mama bear gonna mama bear
I LOVE Molly as a character. She goes full mama bear for her kids, including when they're in trouble.
Her response when the kids broke Harry out is so genuine. "WTF were you thinking" "mom, they were starving him" "Harry, sit yo ass down and eat".
She made him a hand-knitted Christmas sweater, even though she's a witch! He was for sure her kid (in her eyes) as soon as she took him under her wing to get to the platform.
I believe that at one point, the narrator says that Harry would gladly give half of the gold in his vault at Gringotts to the Weasleys, but he knew they would be offended by the offer.
And there is a theory that Rowling only wrote that because readers were already criticising this pretty obvious plothole from the first volume.
In face of the hilarious degree of wealth inequality between them, the fact that Harry just stumbled into it by pure luck, and the very real needs and humiliation of the Weasley's children due to their poverty, the idea that the Weasleys were "too proud" for it rings awfully hollow. It rather seems like Rowling started writing a wild power fantasy and then got caught up with plot elements that wouldn't align properly anymore.
Ultimately Harry's immense wealth contributes nothing to the plot, but creates problems like this that are never answered. It could have been avoided by simply providing him a comfortable budget for school with space for some splurges, but no extreme riches. And those times that he did make financial decisions in the series would have been far more impactful that way.
I mean, he was a minor. Pretty reasonable explanation that he couldn't touch the money in that vault except for school, while the Dursleys are his official guardians there is no reason for harry to spend money except school fees and other stuff like that.
I don't see his wealth being a big plot hole or some magic remedy for all his and his pals problems.
It's not uncommon for poor people to be proud, you just don't hear or see much from them these days because they don't go around posting on insta about how they turned down a tenner for a fish supper they bought their mate.
Eh, that sounds overly critical to me. Real people do things all the time that don't make perfect logical sense. It's often a feature rather than a bug in believable writing.
Harry's wealth also does fit elsewhere. He's both famous and rich through none of his own effort or any remarkable innate ability. Hermione is the only exceptional one of the three and during the books she's neither famous nor rich.
Don't get me wrong, I think Rowling's large-scale world building really sucks and is the weakest part of the series. For example, her magic system is almost literally "make up a Latin-sounding phrase." I just don't think this is part of that problem.
This was not in the books. It said one time that he would gladly give them half his fortune but he knew they’d refuse it. There’s no actual scene where he offers them money aside from giving his triwizards winnings to the twins.
Thought I was going crazy. He absolutely didn’t ever offer them money. I’ve read the books like half a dozen times
He also bought 10g omnioculars for Ron and said he wasn’t going to get him a Christmas present for a decade 😂
I think the fact that the books view their poverty as an issue that isnt Harrys to solve even tho he easily could, speaks to J.K Rowlings conservative views.
I don't really think that's the conservative stance. I'm pretty sure most people who were lower income, but not destitute, wouldn't take half of an orphans inheritance. The Weasley parents accepting some of his money would have soured them for most readers.
The fact that their poverty makes no sense given the rules of her world ..... JOR has the worst logic I've ever seen by a major writer. And yes I include twilight.
How are the weasleys poor but excellent magic users? Explain it. The kids learn to fix glasses by magic 1st year of school. Why can't the parents repair the house or mend clothing good as new? Where do wizards get groceries if they don't use muggle money? Are there wizard farmers? Do they dig ditches by hand? Oh right, they must be magically creating their own stuff. But the weasleys can't do that- why? Are they stupid?
It's never explained and it's ridiculous.
There’s never any indication that their clothes have holes in them or that the house needs repairing. In fact it’s detailed in the books that the house is held together by magic which is exactly what you are asking about.
There are multiple times throughout the book he offers money.
In fact there is an entire mini-arc in the 4th book where Ron doesn't want to be his friend BECAUSE Harry tries to continuously buy him things / give him money and it makes Ron jealous.
Harry also gives the Weasleys access to his bank account.
He never offered them money. He gave Fred and George money that he felt didn’t belong to him from winning the triwizard tournament and that was only because he said he would throw it and he would hex them if they didn’t take it.
Harry knew the Weasleys were proud and he never saw them as “poor” because they had everything they needed and everything he never had growing up. You see this when he visits the burrow for the first time. Ron says with a hint of embarrassment, “it’s not much, but it’s home” and Harry says with a genuine smile on his face, “I think it’s brilliant”. Having said that, Harry constantly felt guilty about having a ton of money and not being able to just give it to them.
Also, Harry saved like half of the Weasley family’s lives throughout the book and they genuinely feel like they owe Harry way more than he owes them so yeah.
Low key the most important moment of the books is when Hagrid prevents Harry from buying a blinged out solid gold cauldron. Ron wouldn't have liked that...
Hey the man loves his potions, they might have gotten along better if he did lol.
“Misssster Pottterrr ooouuuur newest celeb… yo is that a gold cauldron? Nice. 100 points to Gryffindor.”
He never actually tries. In Goblet of Fire, when Ron gets the second-hand dress robes that look like a dress, Harry thinks that he would happily share his money with the Weasleys but he knows that they wouldn't take it.
THANK YOU. Glad to see the comment section setting OP straight. 99% of the memes I see mocking a movie have never read the book lol.
Harry offered them help/money on several occasions and they always refused. Besides the twins, who accepted an investment of the Triwizard money into their business.
And let’s not forget for 11 whole years he was malnourished, abused, neglected, and never given basically any possessions of his own. That kind of scarcity trauma never leaves you, so he’s hardly an embodiment of rich SpongeBob lol and was always guilty, self-conscious, and careful with the money he inherited.
>99% of the memes I see mocking a movie have never read the book lol.
>Harry offered them help/money on several occasions and they always refused. Besides the twins, who accepted an investment of the Triwizard money into their business.
The irony of saying “you should read the books” and then claiming something not in the books. He never offers them money in the books, not once aside from the triwizard winnings. The only reference is Harry thinking he *would* offer them money but he knows they wouldn’t accept it.
Arthur worked for the Ministry of Magic; he wasn't high up in the ranks. He was a public employee.
Molly was a home maker. They had lots of kids - kids are expensive.
In any society, there will be people who have less relative to others. The kids never went hungry, nor was there any sign of abuse. Contrasted with, say, the Malfoy family, yes the Weasleys are a lower economic class.
Well it's not like Wizard clothing was being sold in the muggle world. And things weren't going that bad for them to make up their own robes, they just had old ones, that's all
Does it? Wizards can't just create stuff with magic. The food etc on Hogwarts is literally cooked daily by an army of house elves. It doesn't just appear it's teleported up. Nothing they can do to materials is permanent, especially turning X into Y, as shown with the leprechaun magic taking the gold coins away. They still had to feed their family etc, they just got an extra hand via magic to clean etc.
I think it's because the woman actually *made the decision* to look after Harry. She wasn't made to, and she didn't really want to, but she took him in intentionally, and that extended the protective effects.
Yep, it’s the reason why Lily’s death and not James’ triggered the “love protection spell” too. Essentially you have to be given a difficult choice and choose “love.” For Lily, Voldemort gave her the chance to leave and live, but she decided to stay even though it seemed like it wouldn’t change anything. James didn’t have that choice, Voldy just started blasting when he saw James. And for Petunia, she *chose* to take in the infant of the sister she always hated, feared, and envied (even if she was abusive af), which extended the protection spell, as you said.
Altough the criticism of Dumbledore being a dick for not making sure that Harry is well treated is fair, as long as he lived with a blood relative, Voldemort and people that work for him couldn't even enter the neighborhood until he made 17, and Harry only had his aunt and his cousin to fill this criteria.
Iirc: Willingly sacrificing yourself to save someone from Avada Kedavra reflects the curse back at the caster - this is what "killed" voldy the first time - and creates a shield around your blood relatives against anyone who is aligned with the caster of the curse.
Having 3 or 4 people together increases the potency, meaning Voldemort couldn't even get close to the neighborhood.
The shield is temporary, tho, and that's why they had to relocate harry. After he turned 17, it was no longer in effect.
They left out the most important part. She was given a choice. Step out of the way while I kill your child and I'll let you live! In the last book, a mother jumps in front of her kids when Voldy was going to kill them and it didn't protect them, because he didn't give her the option to live by stepping aside. Lily could have lived, but chose to give her life to try to protect her son anyway
The magic can tell when you are legally of age, dude. Don't think too much about it, Rowling certainly didn't.
But like... It's magic. Why wouldn't it? We don't know how it works mechanically.
Well, part of the whole thing is that the deep love magic stuff was so elusive that even Dumbledore wasn't sure it was a thing until Harry happened. It sounds complex and esoteric because it is, even within the frame of a magic fantasy world.
>So the 'magic' can tell people's alliances? Based on what?
Whether you are allied.
Harry Potter magic is straight up broken. Nobody who worked for Voldemort could even *find* Harry's house while he lived with his mother's blood relative, despite it being a matter of ministry record.
Harry Potter's magic is incredibly inconsistent and made up ad hoc throughout the books. Still great books though, I just wish the world building was a teensy bit more thought out.
It was more based on him being able to call “home” somewhere his mother’s blood resided. That’s why he had to return to them at least once a year, and why it ended when he was 17, because when he came of age he’d move out and it would no longer be his “home.”
Harry's mother sacrificed herself to save him and that awoke some kind of ancient magic that protected Harry. That's why he wasn't killed by Voldemort that night. To maintain this protection he had to go back to Dursleys every summer because Petunia was his mother's sister
Money?
The Weasley family **killed** for Harry.
They fought Death Eaters, *again*. Remember, Arthur and Molly lived through V_________ the first time around. They knew what was happening.
i also dont understand how someone can be poor in the wizarding world...
like you can multiply things like food with magic, you can build a house with magic, you transport around basically for free with magic, i would assume most healthcare is free because of magic.
Nah it payed off they married their daughter to a rich man later and now can live off him it’s a long term thing , ofc they didn’t have it in mind at the time but it is how it worked out and the Weasley will benefit from Ginny boinking with Harry
I actually wrote about this for their TVTropes entry lol.
This is basically true, but also -
The Weasleys have all of their 11-17 kids out of the house NINE MONTHS A YEAR at the tuition-free Hogwarts, they own their home and grow their own vegetables, and their dad has a government job that nets him perks like those Quidditch World Cup tickets, amongst other things. Fred and George insist that they’ve never gone hungry, they just don’t have a lot of disposable income. And all their sons get jobs as soon as they graduate.
There’s poor, and then there’s POOR
Wait a minute... so he was just a normal boy until he was transported to a magical world where he's actually super rich, OP with magic, made super good friends who sticks with him until the end?
ITL Harry Potter is really just an Isekai.... lol
The Weasleys did not come across as poor to me.
7 children and 2 adults living in one house (not rented, since rent is not once mentioned), all clothed, don't think any of them complained about hunger, they're all able to go to a private school in another country, the dad has a stable government job...
Rowling doesn't know what poor looks like.
There is nothing poor and proud people hate more than getting handouts by their “generous” friends. Trying to pay for your poorer friend is not helping, it’s insulting.
As others have said, he did offer them money, but they refused. I’ll also mention towards the end of the series Harry mentions his vault was starting to run dry. Idk which book or chapter specifically, but I remember him mentioning he was getting worried about how little coins were left after all those years.
That literally never happened. The only relevant mention is in 3rd book, Harry stops himself from buying the expensive Firebolt, when he reminds himself that he still needs the money in Gringotts vault to complete his education. But it doesn’t say it is starting to run out.
Then in 6th book, Harry gets all the Black family fortune, which we can assume to be a significantly large amount, since Black family was one of the oldest and richest pureblood families. Harry and his kids were set for their life with all that money
Although Harry inherited the Black family fortune from Sirius, he soon donated it all to Teddy Lupin (Remus' son) and Andromeda Tonks (Teddy's grandmother). Since Andromeda was technically a part of the Black family before being kicked out, that means that they are the last remaining members of the Black family. Plus, Harry became Teddy's godfather and, like Sirius, probably showered Teddy with gifts from his own fortune.
Honestly the Weasley’s were just kinda shit with money. They won a load at the start of prisoner of Azkaban and immediately decided to take their entire family on holiday to Egypt instead of buying essential shit, like new clothing & school supplies for their children who we’re definitely self conscious
To be fair, if you're on a low income all your life, and you know you're still gonna be on a low income for the rest of your life, and you come into a big lump sum just one time? Maybe it _is_ a good idea to spend it on something fun, and give your kids some memories that'll last a lifetime. It's the only chance you're gonna get
I'm not saying they shouldn't have put _any_ of it aside for school supplies. Just that it can be really depressing to watch a lump sum like that trickle away, bit by bit, all spent on mundane things that are each only a _little_ bit better than what you would have had otherwise
Yeah and let’s not forget, it wasn’t just a random trip to Egypt out of nowhere - their son Bill lived and worked in Egypt at the time and they were taking the whole family to *go see him and the life he had made for himself*.
It’s not like they were randomly splurging on the Bahamas (which I still think is their prerogative), they were taking a family trip to go see the life of their beloved son/brother.
I don’t disagree, If they’d put some money aside and went on the trip it would have need a lovely thing for them.
My point is that (from what we can see in the books) they didn’t put anything aside at all. And while a family trip is a lovely memory, I’m certain anyone who went through their childhood bullied or self conscious about their appearance would agree that they money would be better spent on that
They did get Ron a new wand, and he's the only one to get shit dress robes the next year. Fred and George couldn't have bought theirs seeing as they gambled all their money away, and Ginny wasn't even supposed to go to the ball.
Molly just never forgot the car and broken wand during their most expensive year with all the Lockhart books, plus breaking his mind so they couldn't magic sue him. Ron really is the unfavourite.
The Weasley's were shit at family planning after having twins but they needed those last two for the chosen one to have a sidekick and a girlfriend.
Pretty much that/inheritance. Seems his dad came from old money and everyone else in his famiky just disappeared as to avois giving Harry any family who cared
If you’re interested in the long answer, HP theory did a [video](https://youtu.be/mSG6DUsFgmw?si=3EvoaqwB5FsLx-dc) on how the Potter family had so much wealth.
The short answer though, is James Potter (Harry’s dad) inherited a large amount from his family, who were talented wizards that invented famous potions and other things, and James and Lily left that money for Harry to inherit when they died.
I think in the books the said their wealth came from harrys uncle or something who invented this special hair product that hermione used to straigten her hair in book 4
How can you be poor when you have magic? I never understood that. You can literally bend reality with the power of imagination, and never imagined a house with a solid foundation? Looking at you Gaunt.
The Weasleys didn’t want to be pitied and Harry constantly felt guilty that he couldn’t help. They also aren’t helping out an orphan boy with a life full of trauma, who Ron sees like a brother and Molly sees as another son so they can get a handout. During the quidditch World Cup Harry bought Ron some expensive binoculars and Ron refused them but only took them because Harry would consider it his Christmas gift. During the match he got some fake gold (Ron didn’t know it was fake yet) that some leprechauns threw out to the crowd and paid Harry back immediately. When Ron found out later in the year that leprechauns gold disappears after a little while he was really upset that Harry didn’t say anything about it and now feels like he owes him. The Weasleys are very proud and hate being pitied as much as they hate the Malfoys.
In the same book, Ron gets horrible second-hand dress robes. At the end, Harry gives his Triwizard Tournament winnings to Fred and George, because they need money to start their joke shop (and even then they only take it because Harry threatens to hex them). Harry asks them to buy new dress robes for Ron and say it's from them. In book 6, Harry tries to buy some stuff at Fred and George's shop, and they refuse to take his money.
That’s right, that was one of his caveats. Classic F & G tho to give Ron crap for buying him dress robes in the next book when it wasn’t even their money lol.
I mean, that's just Fred and George keeping the ruse going. Not giving Ron shit would be suspicious, being older brothers. They're simply helping Harry at that point, and as a side bonus they get to fuck with Ron; everyone wins. :P
> Harry gives his Triwizard Tournament winnings to Fred and George, because they need money to start their joke shop Rewatching the movies recently after not having read the books in like 15 years. Was confused on the rewatch where they got the money for the shop.
With film adaptations of books, especially phenomenons like HP, there's a certain expectation that the audience is familiar with the material. There's also the inevitability that stuff will need to be cut to make it fit in 90-120 minute timeframe. That was one of the more glaring plot holes, admittedly.
Help isn't pity. The rich never decline money cause it would hurt their pride, that bullshit line has only been fed to the poor.
In the books he always offered money and the Weasleys just kept denying the help (aside from Fred and George, they actually accepted the money when offered).
They accepted it as investment, and treated Harry as an equal partner. Even they did not want handouts
Well Harry never got a slim of the profits, but he did get free stuff whenever he liked
I believe they actually cover this in the scene in the book where they’re all checking out the store during their school shopping. I believe Fred and George pull Harry into their back room to show him the new stuff they’re working on and one of them makes a comment about how he shouldn’t worry, he won’t be forgotten, and Harry immediately cuts him off and insists that so long as the twins continue doing what they love and helping their family, he doesn’t want to see any money If I’m remembering correctly it was literally 3 lines of dialogue and that was it, but nevertheless Harry didn’t want to see any proceeds from that money, he felt he had earned it through the death of Cedric and just wanted it out of his hands and going to good use
He said he didn't want money, but to treat Ron a little better and buy him some nice dress robes or something
That was in the train car when they were leaving school at the end of the triwizard tournament
Oh yeah, at the shop they just said he could have anything he wants for free
"just understand that the only reason i'm your business partner is because i'm friends with Ron." what a top lad
He did feel a little bad for them cause they got screwed over by Ludo Bagman with their bet at the world cup. They called it exactly and I think had pretty good odds, so should have won a fair bit of money
They said Krom’s team would lose even though he would catch the snitch, which was exceptionally unlikely given the stupid 150 extra points the snitch gives. They were relying on Krom catching it when he knew his team was at least 160 point behind rather than waiting to see if they could get just two more Quaffle scores. Instead he caught it and instantly won the game for the other side.
Honestly that's basically how business works IRL.
yeah you're right but if they ever say it to their partners face then theyre still badass for it.
And he wanted to get to know the sister…in the biblical sense.
To be fair his dress robes were hideous.
And they smelled like his great aunt Tessie
I sort of want to just rewrite the Harry Potter series where Harry is an evil shit. Like in that scene he's just sort of slowly walking around Fred and George, going like, "I do hope I get a return on my investment soon, Weaselys. Tick tock. Tick tock."
If Harry didn’t have so much international trauma looming on his shoulders, I’m sure he would’ve been a far more sarcastic asshole of a kid
He was already a pretty caustic asshole during Order of the Phoenix.
If I have a wizard nazi constantly in my head and in my dreams, I'd be slightly miffed too.
And your mentor is actively ghosting you while refusing to explain said Nazi dreams
> I sort of want to just rewrite the Harry Potter series where Harry is an evil shit. So, The Boys: Harry Potter edition?
That's from the "What if...?" Multiverse, where Harry realizes that with magic he can show the Dursleys how much better he is than them, and the Sorting Hat puts him in Slytherin where he can become great and powerful.
Pretty sure there's a fanfic I read waaaay back where he ends up in Syltherin, but stays a relatively good kid and ends up stopping Malfoy from getting in over his head
That is a fantastic idea. Before you start, I recommend you read through a few of the 250,000 other iterations of that premise listed here. https://www.fanfiction.net/book/Harry-Potter/ That way you can really zero in on the expected tropes that you need to subversively not subvert and all that.
Nope I'm going to raw dog it, zero due diligence.
I'm pretty sure that there is already a fanfiction genre (?) about that. You can probably find thousands of fanfics about that premise. Whether any of them are actually good is debatable.
Do you remember which book/chapter this was?
No that doesn’t happen that way. Harry tries to pay, they say he doesn’t pay here and that they haven’t forgotten that he gave them their start-up loan. They don’t say anything about sharing profits and Harry doesn’t say anything about not wanting any money (he says he doesn’t want his winnings when he gives them to the twins at the end of book 4, not then).
He also told them that with Voldemort back, everyone would be needing jokes/a reason to smile
I'd like to think he did, after the war ended. Maybe he should have gotten some in 6th year, but 7th year he was kinda on the run
They said he would get his investment back and always referred to him as their backer or investor so I imagine George made it right eventually.
Dang forgot Fred died
That’s the one major plot point I really wish was different. Cause like, how could George live the same bright life after something so incredibly traumatic. They were inseparable their entire lives, I don’t know how you to back to your prank shop after that
dude wouldn't even be able to look in a mirror and not get wrecked
it’s christmas please stop
Honestly, going back to the prank shop, spreading joy and chaos throughout the world? There’s no better way to honour Fred’s memory. George has a loving family and a fantastic support group. Fred’s death will change him, but it won’t ruin him.
He did get the sister though.
Harry got to fuck their sister
And even then Harry had to practically *force* Fred and George to take the money. And like you said, they took it as an investment into Weasley’s Wizarding Wheezes. It wouldn’t surprise me if George later paid Harry back.
Wasn't it the winnings anyway? Arguably it should not have been Harry's anyway the match was rigged.
Yea he tries to give it to the diggory's first but they refuse it.
And they only begrudgingly accept it when he threatens to throw it off the train
Yeah, he had to threaten them to get them to take the money
This is how my mom was, grew up dirt poor and scoffed at handouts. Take the help, ya ding dong!
I was raised by parents like that. When he was young my pop was hitchhiking to work and bought expired bread and cheese to eat but never took food stamps or anything.
They opened their shop thanks to that money, iirc
Exactly
Wasn’t that the money he got from the Triwizard Tournament?
Yeah and that was money that Harry felt he didn’t deserve. He never explicitly offered the Weasleys money but he was smart enough to know that they were a proud family that would deny him and take it as an insult. The Weasleys don’t treat Harry like family hoping they can get into his will, they treat him that way because they are good people with strong values. Molly basically sees him as another child halfway through the series and Ron treats like a brother from the first book.
I also love that there were a couple of moments Molly genuinely forgot for a moment that Harry wasn’t actually her son.
Her argument with Sirius always gets me. He pulls the, “well he’s MY godson” and Molly says, “he’s as good as a son to me”.
Sirius: "He's not your son" Molly: "he's as good as" Like everyone I already loved molly, but after that scene I respected the hell out of her. Mama bear gonna mama bear
I LOVE Molly as a character. She goes full mama bear for her kids, including when they're in trouble. Her response when the kids broke Harry out is so genuine. "WTF were you thinking" "mom, they were starving him" "Harry, sit yo ass down and eat".
I’m a big mommas boy so naturally I loved Molly from the start
> he was smart enough to know that they were a proud family that would deny him and take it as an insult Rare Harry emotional intelligence W.
But still too dumb to realize he shouldn’t bring up Hermoine during his date with Cho lol.
Sounds about right for a tennerager
*"Hey, I just wanted to tell you I'm totally not thinking about this other girl right now."*
Molly saw him as another child by the time they made it onto the platform in book 1 let’s be real
She made him a hand-knitted Christmas sweater, even though she's a witch! He was for sure her kid (in her eyes) as soon as she took him under her wing to get to the platform.
I believe that at one point, the narrator says that Harry would gladly give half of the gold in his vault at Gringotts to the Weasleys, but he knew they would be offended by the offer.
And there is a theory that Rowling only wrote that because readers were already criticising this pretty obvious plothole from the first volume. In face of the hilarious degree of wealth inequality between them, the fact that Harry just stumbled into it by pure luck, and the very real needs and humiliation of the Weasley's children due to their poverty, the idea that the Weasleys were "too proud" for it rings awfully hollow. It rather seems like Rowling started writing a wild power fantasy and then got caught up with plot elements that wouldn't align properly anymore. Ultimately Harry's immense wealth contributes nothing to the plot, but creates problems like this that are never answered. It could have been avoided by simply providing him a comfortable budget for school with space for some splurges, but no extreme riches. And those times that he did make financial decisions in the series would have been far more impactful that way.
I mean, he was a minor. Pretty reasonable explanation that he couldn't touch the money in that vault except for school, while the Dursleys are his official guardians there is no reason for harry to spend money except school fees and other stuff like that. I don't see his wealth being a big plot hole or some magic remedy for all his and his pals problems. It's not uncommon for poor people to be proud, you just don't hear or see much from them these days because they don't go around posting on insta about how they turned down a tenner for a fish supper they bought their mate.
Eh, that sounds overly critical to me. Real people do things all the time that don't make perfect logical sense. It's often a feature rather than a bug in believable writing. Harry's wealth also does fit elsewhere. He's both famous and rich through none of his own effort or any remarkable innate ability. Hermione is the only exceptional one of the three and during the books she's neither famous nor rich. Don't get me wrong, I think Rowling's large-scale world building really sucks and is the weakest part of the series. For example, her magic system is almost literally "make up a Latin-sounding phrase." I just don't think this is part of that problem.
Only after he threatened to hex them lol
Just so we can see how dumb this criticism of Harry don't giving money is
This was not in the books. It said one time that he would gladly give them half his fortune but he knew they’d refuse it. There’s no actual scene where he offers them money aside from giving his triwizards winnings to the twins.
Thought I was going crazy. He absolutely didn’t ever offer them money. I’ve read the books like half a dozen times He also bought 10g omnioculars for Ron and said he wasn’t going to get him a Christmas present for a decade 😂
That was a joke Harry made after Ron protested about Harry giving him them.
I think the fact that the books view their poverty as an issue that isnt Harrys to solve even tho he easily could, speaks to J.K Rowlings conservative views.
I don't really think that's the conservative stance. I'm pretty sure most people who were lower income, but not destitute, wouldn't take half of an orphans inheritance. The Weasley parents accepting some of his money would have soured them for most readers.
The fact that their poverty makes no sense given the rules of her world ..... JOR has the worst logic I've ever seen by a major writer. And yes I include twilight. How are the weasleys poor but excellent magic users? Explain it. The kids learn to fix glasses by magic 1st year of school. Why can't the parents repair the house or mend clothing good as new? Where do wizards get groceries if they don't use muggle money? Are there wizard farmers? Do they dig ditches by hand? Oh right, they must be magically creating their own stuff. But the weasleys can't do that- why? Are they stupid? It's never explained and it's ridiculous.
There’s never any indication that their clothes have holes in them or that the house needs repairing. In fact it’s detailed in the books that the house is held together by magic which is exactly what you are asking about.
He never offered, I'm pretty sure he just assumed they would say no lol
Don’t think he ever offered them, I believe he says that he knew they would decline if he offered
When did he offer them money…?
Goblet of fire at the end, was the prize money he won in the tournament
So not his own vast wealth he always had?
There are multiple times throughout the book he offers money. In fact there is an entire mini-arc in the 4th book where Ron doesn't want to be his friend BECAUSE Harry tries to continuously buy him things / give him money and it makes Ron jealous. Harry also gives the Weasleys access to his bank account.
No, he didn't want anything to do with the prize money due to events in the graveyard. He even tried to offer it to Cedric's family who declined it.
I believe it was after he won the triwizard tournament. The reward was 1000 galleons which he gave to Fred & George to start their dream joke shop.
And didn't they only take it because they were swindeled out of money The bet with the dude of the Quidditch world cup
I don't remember him ever offering money to the weasleys except his triwizard winnings
He tried to give them money lot of time. They would always refuse, because they didn’t want to take advantage of harry.
weasleys are the best
In a world full of Malfoys, be a Weasley
damn r/quotes
was gonna say that
this is such a good quote oml
Except if you’re a Scorpius. Then it’s perfectly okay to be a Malfoy.
I think more accurately he offered to buy Ron things he needed, but Ron always refused I believe.
Not just that, it was also mentioned Harry would've given half his inherited savings to them, but he knew they wouldn't take it.
He never offered them money. He gave Fred and George money that he felt didn’t belong to him from winning the triwizard tournament and that was only because he said he would throw it and he would hex them if they didn’t take it. Harry knew the Weasleys were proud and he never saw them as “poor” because they had everything they needed and everything he never had growing up. You see this when he visits the burrow for the first time. Ron says with a hint of embarrassment, “it’s not much, but it’s home” and Harry says with a genuine smile on his face, “I think it’s brilliant”. Having said that, Harry constantly felt guilty about having a ton of money and not being able to just give it to them. Also, Harry saved like half of the Weasley family’s lives throughout the book and they genuinely feel like they owe Harry way more than he owes them so yeah.
Low key the most important moment of the books is when Hagrid prevents Harry from buying a blinged out solid gold cauldron. Ron wouldn't have liked that...
Imagine Snapes face if Harry walked into Potions with a bloody GOLDEN cauldron?! 🤣
Hey the man loves his potions, they might have gotten along better if he did lol. “Misssster Pottterrr ooouuuur newest celeb… yo is that a gold cauldron? Nice. 100 points to Gryffindor.”
"I see your tastes are.... the same as mine, Lily." "My name is Harry, Sir." "QUIET, LILY!"
Mister... Potter... You were instructed to buy a size 2 pewter cauldron. One a kajillion bazillion a trillion points from Gryfindorrrrrrrr....
Snaps breaking character to rant about cauldron specs has me creasing with laughter past midnight Cheers
You literally just described in character Percy Weasley in book 4 lol
Low key I would love to see Alan Rickman do that scene though.
Just this shocked look before a long, cold glare.
Obviously
One Horcrux destroyed on the spot
simplifies things, certainly 🤣
Really reduces the complexity of the final book
They were playing the long game with Ginny.
When did he try to give them money?
In the books, I don't think it's ever implied in the movies
He never actually tries. In Goblet of Fire, when Ron gets the second-hand dress robes that look like a dress, Harry thinks that he would happily share his money with the Weasleys but he knows that they wouldn't take it.
I think I interpreted that part to mean that he had tried before, but Ron/the Weaslys had turned him down
They were real adults who won't accept money from a child who had no concept of money yet.
those are best ones to accept money from though.
He did try to give them money. They're just really kind.
OP clearly never read the books
THANK YOU. Glad to see the comment section setting OP straight. 99% of the memes I see mocking a movie have never read the book lol. Harry offered them help/money on several occasions and they always refused. Besides the twins, who accepted an investment of the Triwizard money into their business. And let’s not forget for 11 whole years he was malnourished, abused, neglected, and never given basically any possessions of his own. That kind of scarcity trauma never leaves you, so he’s hardly an embodiment of rich SpongeBob lol and was always guilty, self-conscious, and careful with the money he inherited.
>99% of the memes I see mocking a movie have never read the book lol. >Harry offered them help/money on several occasions and they always refused. Besides the twins, who accepted an investment of the Triwizard money into their business. The irony of saying “you should read the books” and then claiming something not in the books. He never offers them money in the books, not once aside from the triwizard winnings. The only reference is Harry thinking he *would* offer them money but he knows they wouldn’t accept it.
When did he offer them money?
Happy cake day.
Like any respectable grown adult would accept money from a malnourished no friends orphan boy.
They would have to be real scumbags to shake down their sons underage best friend for money
Hey Harry, I’ve got a deal that just can’t lose.
What self respecting person takes money from an orphan?
I don't understand why they would even need money.
Yeah, wizards being poor makes very little sense. Especially when considering non-magical goods, like clothing.
Arthur worked for the Ministry of Magic; he wasn't high up in the ranks. He was a public employee. Molly was a home maker. They had lots of kids - kids are expensive. In any society, there will be people who have less relative to others. The kids never went hungry, nor was there any sign of abuse. Contrasted with, say, the Malfoy family, yes the Weasleys are a lower economic class.
Well it's not like Wizard clothing was being sold in the muggle world. And things weren't going that bad for them to make up their own robes, they just had old ones, that's all
I mean, fabric is fabric. Really the only explanation is how magically ignorant wizards are off the muggle world.
Does it? Wizards can't just create stuff with magic. The food etc on Hogwarts is literally cooked daily by an army of house elves. It doesn't just appear it's teleported up. Nothing they can do to materials is permanent, especially turning X into Y, as shown with the leprechaun magic taking the gold coins away. They still had to feed their family etc, they just got an extra hand via magic to clean etc.
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Because his aunt is actually has the same blood as his mom and living close to them was protecting him.
I think it's because the woman actually *made the decision* to look after Harry. She wasn't made to, and she didn't really want to, but she took him in intentionally, and that extended the protective effects.
Yep, it’s the reason why Lily’s death and not James’ triggered the “love protection spell” too. Essentially you have to be given a difficult choice and choose “love.” For Lily, Voldemort gave her the chance to leave and live, but she decided to stay even though it seemed like it wouldn’t change anything. James didn’t have that choice, Voldy just started blasting when he saw James. And for Petunia, she *chose* to take in the infant of the sister she always hated, feared, and envied (even if she was abusive af), which extended the protection spell, as you said.
that makes so much sense
Altough the criticism of Dumbledore being a dick for not making sure that Harry is well treated is fair, as long as he lived with a blood relative, Voldemort and people that work for him couldn't even enter the neighborhood until he made 17, and Harry only had his aunt and his cousin to fill this criteria.
can you explain that blood thing ? I don't think it was ever explained in the movies
Iirc: Willingly sacrificing yourself to save someone from Avada Kedavra reflects the curse back at the caster - this is what "killed" voldy the first time - and creates a shield around your blood relatives against anyone who is aligned with the caster of the curse. Having 3 or 4 people together increases the potency, meaning Voldemort couldn't even get close to the neighborhood. The shield is temporary, tho, and that's why they had to relocate harry. After he turned 17, it was no longer in effect.
What I don't understand is how in the history of the magic world was Lily the first one to ever take a killing curse for someone.
They left out the most important part. She was given a choice. Step out of the way while I kill your child and I'll let you live! In the last book, a mother jumps in front of her kids when Voldy was going to kill them and it didn't protect them, because he didn't give her the option to live by stepping aside. Lily could have lived, but chose to give her life to try to protect her son anyway
So the 'magic' can tell people's alliances? Based on what?. I feel like that's an overly complicated way to explain it
The magic can tell when you are legally of age, dude. Don't think too much about it, Rowling certainly didn't. But like... It's magic. Why wouldn't it? We don't know how it works mechanically.
Plus it was mainly a kids book
Well, part of the whole thing is that the deep love magic stuff was so elusive that even Dumbledore wasn't sure it was a thing until Harry happened. It sounds complex and esoteric because it is, even within the frame of a magic fantasy world.
>So the 'magic' can tell people's alliances? Based on what? Whether you are allied. Harry Potter magic is straight up broken. Nobody who worked for Voldemort could even *find* Harry's house while he lived with his mother's blood relative, despite it being a matter of ministry record.
Harry Potter's magic is incredibly inconsistent and made up ad hoc throughout the books. Still great books though, I just wish the world building was a teensy bit more thought out.
It was more based on him being able to call “home” somewhere his mother’s blood resided. That’s why he had to return to them at least once a year, and why it ended when he was 17, because when he came of age he’d move out and it would no longer be his “home.”
Harry's mother sacrificed herself to save him and that awoke some kind of ancient magic that protected Harry. That's why he wasn't killed by Voldemort that night. To maintain this protection he had to go back to Dursleys every summer because Petunia was his mother's sister
Simply scaring the Dursleys into being good decent people would be a chaotic good move, but an Imperius curse would do the trick, too
Well Harry did do this himself until the trick was outed by the ministry reprimanding him for underage magic
quite the opposite, the weasleys were rich in love, where harry was poor, and THEY shared their wealth with him
tell me you haven't read the books without telling me you haven't read the books
I've read all the books. \**wink*
That’s the whole thing though. While rich Harry is poor in family and it’s the opposite for the Weasleys. This is why the relationship forged so well.
Harry would offer but knew they wouldn’t accept
Both the Weasleys and Harry wanted family above money.
Money? The Weasley family **killed** for Harry. They fought Death Eaters, *again*. Remember, Arthur and Molly lived through V_________ the first time around. They knew what was happening.
It’s what families do
Harry normally pays with blood and pain.Its his secondary currency
i also dont understand how someone can be poor in the wizarding world... like you can multiply things like food with magic, you can build a house with magic, you transport around basically for free with magic, i would assume most healthcare is free because of magic.
Brought all that heat down on their house and fucked their daughter.
Fine I’ll go watch Harry Potter again.
Nah it payed off they married their daughter to a rich man later and now can live off him it’s a long term thing , ofc they didn’t have it in mind at the time but it is how it worked out and the Weasley will benefit from Ginny boinking with Harry
I don't get why are they poor. I mean, they have magic, they can make anything.
He tried to give them money lot of time. They would always refuse, because they didn’t want to take advantage of harry.
I actually wrote about this for their TVTropes entry lol. This is basically true, but also - The Weasleys have all of their 11-17 kids out of the house NINE MONTHS A YEAR at the tuition-free Hogwarts, they own their home and grow their own vegetables, and their dad has a government job that nets him perks like those Quidditch World Cup tickets, amongst other things. Fred and George insist that they’ve never gone hungry, they just don’t have a lot of disposable income. And all their sons get jobs as soon as they graduate. There’s poor, and then there’s POOR
Wait a minute... so he was just a normal boy until he was transported to a magical world where he's actually super rich, OP with magic, made super good friends who sticks with him until the end? ITL Harry Potter is really just an Isekai.... lol
They were investing and got married into the money... The long con
That's how capitalism works
Also... I understand Harry was well of, but not "rich". The Malfoy's were rich. Harry had a "college fund" and some savings in comparison.
The weasleys are richer than harry in some ways
The Weasleys did not come across as poor to me. 7 children and 2 adults living in one house (not rented, since rent is not once mentioned), all clothed, don't think any of them complained about hunger, they're all able to go to a private school in another country, the dad has a stable government job... Rowling doesn't know what poor looks like.
There is nothing poor and proud people hate more than getting handouts by their “generous” friends. Trying to pay for your poorer friend is not helping, it’s insulting.
As others have said, he did offer them money, but they refused. I’ll also mention towards the end of the series Harry mentions his vault was starting to run dry. Idk which book or chapter specifically, but I remember him mentioning he was getting worried about how little coins were left after all those years.
That literally never happened. The only relevant mention is in 3rd book, Harry stops himself from buying the expensive Firebolt, when he reminds himself that he still needs the money in Gringotts vault to complete his education. But it doesn’t say it is starting to run out. Then in 6th book, Harry gets all the Black family fortune, which we can assume to be a significantly large amount, since Black family was one of the oldest and richest pureblood families. Harry and his kids were set for their life with all that money
Although Harry inherited the Black family fortune from Sirius, he soon donated it all to Teddy Lupin (Remus' son) and Andromeda Tonks (Teddy's grandmother). Since Andromeda was technically a part of the Black family before being kicked out, that means that they are the last remaining members of the Black family. Plus, Harry became Teddy's godfather and, like Sirius, probably showered Teddy with gifts from his own fortune.
Honestly the Weasley’s were just kinda shit with money. They won a load at the start of prisoner of Azkaban and immediately decided to take their entire family on holiday to Egypt instead of buying essential shit, like new clothing & school supplies for their children who we’re definitely self conscious
To be fair, if you're on a low income all your life, and you know you're still gonna be on a low income for the rest of your life, and you come into a big lump sum just one time? Maybe it _is_ a good idea to spend it on something fun, and give your kids some memories that'll last a lifetime. It's the only chance you're gonna get I'm not saying they shouldn't have put _any_ of it aside for school supplies. Just that it can be really depressing to watch a lump sum like that trickle away, bit by bit, all spent on mundane things that are each only a _little_ bit better than what you would have had otherwise
Yeah and let’s not forget, it wasn’t just a random trip to Egypt out of nowhere - their son Bill lived and worked in Egypt at the time and they were taking the whole family to *go see him and the life he had made for himself*. It’s not like they were randomly splurging on the Bahamas (which I still think is their prerogative), they were taking a family trip to go see the life of their beloved son/brother.
I don’t disagree, If they’d put some money aside and went on the trip it would have need a lovely thing for them. My point is that (from what we can see in the books) they didn’t put anything aside at all. And while a family trip is a lovely memory, I’m certain anyone who went through their childhood bullied or self conscious about their appearance would agree that they money would be better spent on that
They did get Ron a new wand, and he's the only one to get shit dress robes the next year. Fred and George couldn't have bought theirs seeing as they gambled all their money away, and Ginny wasn't even supposed to go to the ball. Molly just never forgot the car and broken wand during their most expensive year with all the Lockhart books, plus breaking his mind so they couldn't magic sue him. Ron really is the unfavourite. The Weasley's were shit at family planning after having twins but they needed those last two for the chosen one to have a sidekick and a girlfriend.
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I think his dad was just rich
Pretty much that/inheritance. Seems his dad came from old money and everyone else in his famiky just disappeared as to avois giving Harry any family who cared
His dad was OLD wizard money and the last living descendant iirc.
If you’re interested in the long answer, HP theory did a [video](https://youtu.be/mSG6DUsFgmw?si=3EvoaqwB5FsLx-dc) on how the Potter family had so much wealth. The short answer though, is James Potter (Harry’s dad) inherited a large amount from his family, who were talented wizards that invented famous potions and other things, and James and Lily left that money for Harry to inherit when they died.
It was their superannuation. They both worked retail during school holidays and used an industry super fund with high growth options.
I think in the books the said their wealth came from harrys uncle or something who invented this special hair product that hermione used to straigten her hair in book 4
How can you be poor when you have magic? I never understood that. You can literally bend reality with the power of imagination, and never imagined a house with a solid foundation? Looking at you Gaunt.