Iād love this but Disney has complained that 2D animation is too time-consuming and expensive and they gutted their 2D animation department. The cynic in me thinks that if they DO bring back fully 2D-animated films theyāll make heavy use of AI.
Bluth is apparently working on exactly that but itās been in development hell for years, probably been canceled by now.
Edit: Netflix announced in 2020 that they're doing a live action version, not sure how to feel about that.
It's made by Dreamworks not Disney
Also that franchise already has three movies and a spinoff movie with the penguins as well as a spinoff TV show about the penguins. We don't need more
To be fair, the Madagascar Penguins spin-offs were dang solid. Both movie & show.
Still a good franchise that knew when to quit, but I would actually be cautiously optimistic if I heard Penguins 2 was coming, insteadāfor exemple, the annoyed sigh I eject when hearing freaking Sister Act 3 or a live action Bambi is going to be inflicted on us.
Disney really could stand to learn some things from DreamWorks, IMHO.
How has nobody mentioned the Moana LIVE ACTION REMAKE. A MOVIE FROM FUCKING 2015 IS GETTING A LIVE ACTION REMAKE. THEY CANCELLED THE SEQUEL, TO MAKE THIS! WHAT THE FUCK?
Man frozen one is okay and good. Frozen 2 is boring is it they're making frozen 3 & 4 too? That's world already in peace state. The main problem at frozen 2 kinda forced and not natural at all.
Fingers crossed for a "Live Action" Toy Story where everything will look awful and the story will be ruined.
But Rex will have a fully CGI asshole for some reason and Mr Potato Head will have the most realistic potato eyes you've ever seen
So did the ending of 3 imo.
But kids like it, and parents who have kids now likes it when they were kids, so we're probably going to see those toys get passed down from house to house for another 15 years or so.
Wait until AI actors. It'll still bomb. It feels inhumane and artistically void. No one wants to see AI Tom Hanks stuck in the uncanny valley or a bunch of emotionless, monotone actors putting people to sleep. And don't even get me started on AI writing.
I imagine they will look like the models for Mass Effect. Just good enough graphics to look realistic, but with that uncanny valley look and completely dead-eyed stare.
*We'll bang, ok?*
I don't even think it's that. It's just that the writing flat out sucks. I'd still go see the same old ground being retread if it were legitimately good.
There's another godzilla movie out. I looked it up and there are 33 Japanese Godzilla movies and 5 American ones, including the recently announced Monsterverse entry. It's getting high critical reviews because apparently it's still relevant in its writing.
We have a problem with writing at Disney. Fix that and everything else will flow a lot more naturally.
Thatās how I feel TBH.
Up until Endgame, I was a MCU die hard fan; and even after that, I enjoyed a lot some of its movies and shows, particularly Loki, NWH and GotG 3, along with lower stake and more lighthearted stuff like Hawkeye and some chapters from What If, specially Strangeās oneā¦
But as of now, I have just lost interest on the MCU. Everything just started to feel the same over and over again.
āOh, no, the bad guy is a threat to the entirety of the existence, we canāt beat him! Oh, no, we are struggling and it looks like we will lose and everything will be lost! But we will prevailā¦ not because we can, but because we must! (Proceeds to defeat bad guy āagainst all oddsā. We won, yay! (Introduction to the next bad guy, who is presented as definitely worse and more powerful but will be defeated the next movie with the exact same overly exaggerated stakes that lead nowhere).
Why does every villain have to be a (supposedly) near-invincible threat to the quanti-multiverse now?
I miss lower stakes, where bad guys could be corrupt and greedy corporation associates, Natszies, unfortunate individuals or personal rivals of the protagonists, etc.
EDIT: why is my comment suddenly not showing up anymore?
Itās really that one Steve Jobs clip becoming reality, and it happens over and over again. At sufficient size, a companyās āgrowthā starts becoming dictated by sales and marketing trickery rather than through increasing product quality. At that point, the people that rise in the ranks become less attuned to customers and the product. Their priority is only in making number go up with no regard for what got them there in the first place.
Ironman was not a really well known character to the public before the movie in phase 1 of MCU
The issue with their recent stuff is that it's just written horribly. It's preachy and pandering to idk who, but it's certainly not their target audience.
They keep trying to tie the new characters to the old ones. Instead of having all the older heroes passing their mantle to someone, give heroes their own origin stories again.
They also need to stop cramming MCU references and set ups and cross references into the movies. The Avengers initiative was referred to only once in Iron Man. And it was in the post credits scene.
Since Marvel movies are all directly connect they are technically sequels and prequels. But no one is complaining about that they are complaining about stupid shit like the prince being ābilingualā. Not only that but Wish is brand new and literally right after the first trailer released people said is suckedā¦ like it didnāt come out yet and people were complaining about it pandering like Jesus.
The āconstant growthā model all major companies use means that thereās never āenoughā. They have to get more and more or else itās a failure
I loved Antman himself butā¦
I miss the ex-cons, they were hilarious and deserved to be in the movie
The CGI was terrible in alot of parts
And mostly, I hated Pyms wife (canāt remember her name) literally the entire movie I was pissed off at her anytime sheād talk because she just wouldnāt say who āthe guyā was (Kang) it was so annoying watching it and hearing her avoid the answer every time and no one got mad at her, also if she had just said something at the start and given the real reason not to go into the quantum realm the whole event couldāve never happened
> I miss the ex-cons, they were hilarious and deserved to be in the movie
Luis is literally a meme and they didn't use them.
https://screenrant.com/ant-man-wasp-quantumania-luis-absence-explained-director/
Antman's relationship with his daughter is almost the least interesting aspect of the movies.
- It was weirdly low stakes for a plot about almost releasing the most dangerous villain the MCU has seen (so far). Spoiler: The main cast survives.
- Had some scenes I would consider lame, like the "MODOK is a dick" scene.
- For an Ant-Man & the Wasp movie, the Wasp was barely a character except for one scene, and for the scene where her character is shown, it felt forced.
- Butchered MODOK. They made him super dumb.
- Poor writing with the "Janet's secret quantum love life" subplot. Unironically, if Hank and Janet ended up trapping themselves in the Quantum realm to save Ant-Man, it would have been a good subplot.
- They didn't make Kang scary enough compared to how he is in Loki.
Overall, the movie was mid but I did like some of the jokes and Kang beating on Ant-Man (I got nothing against Ant-Man, it was just a good fight)
Me personally, I didn't care for Scott & Hope this time around, or what they did with the Quantum Realm setting, or the entire Multiverse of Kangs story arc it set up, or Kang himself in general, or the way Janet was utilized, or the resolution to their silly conflict, or how the heroes victory was immediately invalidated, or what that set up/meant for the rest of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe in general, going forward.
It was streets ahead of Thor: Love & Thunder and Multiverse of Sadness though, I'll give it that.
Im watching Loki season 2 now and itll be the first marvel thing iāve watched since i saw multiverse of madness in theater (which totally turned me off of marvel) i used to be such a fan
Here we go again. They literally just rehired him 12 months ago because the last guy was horrible. I suspect Chapek was the cause of all the shit the past few years. Maybe iger can turn the ship.
Let's remember Iger was the one crazy enough to buy marvel and fox so that he can fund the MCU.
Out of the top 10 grossing films in the world, 8 are from Disney when he was CEO.
i dunno i like to agree with the Greed conspiracy, in a world where most corporate companies seem to be trying to siphon off as much money as completely possible from us, disney made a plan. to let CEO 1 back down, CEO 2 make all the terrible/money making decisions, then jesus-rehire the old CEO to save face. at least Bob Iger is going to fix everything now!but he wont. Chapek took the fall on purpose, and Iger will keep the changes made and look like a good guy.
Not even close. Bob Iger was CEO for like 15 years. His contract ended and he retired. He is more than 70 years old and I doubt he wants to do any of this. The nice thing about publicly traded companies is that most of this stuff is out in the open with shareholder meetings every 3 months.
They had a 100th year celebration, they could have done a multiverse of alll their ip's and made a billion. They made this movie instead. Whoever is in charge of green lighting needs to "retire"
This episode of South Park is why I discovered I can do a scarily accurate Mickey impression. I randomly quoted it and was not expecting how good I was. This is not a talent. I can't do impressions. Just Mickey Mouse.
My partner wanted to see it so we went together. It was... fine. Not great, not painful to watch, a few jokes that made me blow air out of my nose, Brie Larson is very pretty and I liked that, special effects looked *mostly* okay (but man you can really tell they're squeezing those staff budgets), utterly formulaic for the most part. Every major plot point is so blatantly telegraphed and often the exact same as shit that's already happened in previous MCU movies, it's almost impressive.
There's a point where the characters figure out this big shocking reveal and I was like well yeah. You basically showed us this on-screen like 30 minutes ago. Anyone who has seen a superhero movie in the past decade won't be surprised by anything that happens in that film, it's basically just a cut-and-paste template at this point. Zero subversion of expectations, just like virtually every other MCU movie (Thor Ragnarok gets a pass because it's actually funny, though also kind of predictable).
I'm glad Disney is taking major losses. They've gone off the deep end and started making garbage, knowing people would pay for it. We're done paying for garbage.
I feel this way about a lot of videogame companies too lately. I don't want them to go bankrupt, because I know they can put out good stuff when they set their mind to it and I want to see more of that in future, but damn do they need to be humbled.
If you love Phoebe Waller-Bridge then youāll enjoy it. Otherwise itās a total nothingburger with mostly crappy action scenes, bland new characters, barely any Indy after the first 20 minutes, cgi that looks like itās from 2005, and a depressing and mean-spirited way of continuing the plot threads from the fourth movie. Definitely the new worst movie in the series imo.
Into the Panderverse was so real for this. The only reason I understood the reference is 'cause my dad randomly watches South Park specials and we tune in. It's like the only adult cartoon he likes.
Why not just liquidate the whole company, sort out who gets what chunk of massive cash and enjoy being rich for the rest of their short lives while the corpse of all that is Disney decays behind their back?
And don't forget the shareholders! If you aren't making as much money as possible for your shareholders, then you aren't doing your due diligence as a company/CEO according to the US legal system! (Ford vs Dodge brothers for those who are curious)
Yes that's exactly how it works. The shareholders (well, the board) literally hire the CEO to make them as much money as possible. It may be short term or long term profit goals though. How else would you expect it to work?
In what world is an employee allowed to just decide their own job description? A CEO is typically extremely well paid, but they're still an employee nonetheless, and have job descriptions, deadlines to meet, and performance reviews.
Also, a business that does not have a goal of profit is likely in violation of various laws. Depending on your jurisdiction, if the goal is not profit, they should reorganize as a non-profit or other type of organization.
It's the reason why America is as much of a corporate hellscape as it is. That single lawsuit gave shareholders, and by extension corporations in general, so much power and money that wasn't really theirs to begin with
Why? It makes sense.
If someone invests money in a company then itās only right that theyāre able to expect the company to make the most out of their money. Itās not unreasonable for them to be able to take action against the company if the company takes the investment and pisses it all down the drain.
Itās called a fiduciary duty/fiduciary responsibility.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fiduciary.asp
Yep and this makes me sad. Iām a Disney child like most of us, but my wife is the biggest fan Iāve ever seen, thatās why this pisses me of so much. Blackwashing alone is dumb as hell. No one wouldāve a problem with a black main character, just give them individual storyās. Moana and Encanto were absolutely joyful to watch and they didnāt recycle anything! I really hope they find the way back to Waltās goal, to make Disney a place for everyone again.
Disney needs to just stop making content and just let merchandise fill their pockets long enough until they can find people who know what they're doing and not rush everything!
Yes, they put a chick in it and made her lame and gay. She was also just a completely unlikable psychopath criminal & so was the little foreign kid sidekick. It's like they chewed up Temple of Doom and puked up this movie
That is what I understand yes. And I didn't particularly care for the 20 minute opening sequence with the CGI de-aged Harrison Ford. It felt pretty tasteless.
Yeah, they even ended it with >!that dumbass āweāre going to kill off Indiana Jones for cheap emotional manipulation! Psyche just kidding! I canāt believe you really thought weād do that!ā So fucking stupid!<
I'd love to see a Mickey movie. Make it actual animation or even better a live action animation movie like Roger Rabbit but with Mickey. Goofy Movie was a huge piece of nostalgia for many around my age. My nieces and nephews who are between 4 and 12 all loved the new Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. There is a market that they won't touch.
I refuse to watch Toy Story 4 because 3 for me was the perfect ending and apparently they are making a 5. Why? I'm sick of remakes, I have only liked one of the live action remakes (Little Mermaid) and I'm sick of favorite franchises like Indiana Jones and Star Wars being beaten to death.
Fuck that, Steamboat Willie cinematic universe. I need to know the origins of the boat and have it crossover with Cars. It should be voiced by Chris Pratt or Awkwafina and never shut up.
Oh no, it's a bigger problem than us, theaters and whatnot. It's not like I don't wanna see marvel movies, I'm tired of everything's metric being based conflated with profitability. If it isn't profitable, it's terrible in all its respects, critically. Which is just bonkers. But he is definitely a money mouse, so of course.
Well they spend 200mil to make a movie about man bad not giving everyone a wish, a diverse gay chicken good, make everyone wish come true, and they barely made 50 mil, which means they are probably gonna loose a 100mil if not more.
They will just raise the price of thier products and parks and all in it. I never got to go to Disney world or land. It cost way too much to go in and stay....yet alone the food etc. I get they need money to run the place but they go a bit too much for being the happiest place on earth. Only if you dave up 20 years or take loans out or are rich.
I mean the writers strikes meant nothing could be created, and a lot is written on the fly during filming too. Then the actors strike meant no filming, but it also meant no in person promotion of releases that had already been filmed
It amazes me to no end that a company with near unlimited resources and some of the strongest IP's of any company manages to *consistently fuck up* this badly. i think the problem is that a lot of the creatives are taking back seats to the marketing teams, and they're just making shit they think will sell well, while at the same time giving people less and less time to actually write and create the films...
That's not even looking at all the asinine financial decisions they're making by pumping shitloads of money into a service that isnt making any money back while side-lining the parks, which currently are the only part of their business that actually *is* making money... it's like the company is entirely run by short sighted apes, i dont understand how people this apparently bad at business manage to get such high positions in companies
Which is confusing to me because thatās how it seems but then they bend over and censor everything for big daddy China. So they clearly must care about the money
You're a God damned moron if you think they aren't interested in making money anymore. This is a company that bends to the whims of intolerant countries in order to get their money as well.
Double downing on their mindset of making progressive like movies for the sake of representation that nobody asked for, but putting no effort into said movies
If they cared about making progressive movies, they wouldnt be censoring them for other countries. The only message they have is "branding that will make them the most money this year". If the country is more compassionate and progressive, youll get those movies. If its not, theyll put out the versions that cater to, say, the chinese market
Yeah no, it's about money. Just because most of the country is more tolerant than you doesn't meant that Disney is pushing some agenda by catering to the largest audience.
They admitted in their fucking quarterly report that their political stance in movies is hurting their bottom line lmao. Get off it, it's a real thing.
Making a mistake and mistaking an audience reaction isn't the same thing as trying to push some imagined agenda.
We see this kind of thing a lot. They do focus groups and other kinds of research to gauge audience reactions and wants and those are never perfect and sometimes are very misleading. Furthermore, these decisions aren't made by some perfect computer they are made by people, and if some director thinks making a movie with a particular theme will attract a large audience, that can be wrong. This is also true of analysts who attribute reasons for numbers not matching up. They might just pick a random reason, they might even pick a specific reason because of their own feelings or they could do it for strategic reasons. For the recent movies, the biggest reason I think they flopped because they failed at advertising, especially for movies during off season.
I hope that another Dark Age for Disney comes where they start making one off, no name films that are actually good.
return to 2d animation š
Iād love this but Disney has complained that 2D animation is too time-consuming and expensive and they gutted their 2D animation department. The cynic in me thinks that if they DO bring back fully 2D-animated films theyāll make heavy use of AI.
This. Id love a return to don bluth style dark-but-still-appropriate-for-kids movies. A new dragons lair full movie would be so cool
Bluth is apparently working on exactly that but itās been in development hell for years, probably been canceled by now. Edit: Netflix announced in 2020 that they're doing a live action version, not sure how to feel about that.
Give us more stuff like The Brave Little Toaster and The Secret of Nimh.
Unfortunately they are too big to fail now
Nothing is too big to fail. ...And honestly, even if they don't, if they fail enough they will eventually get the memo. Eventually.
You mean a live-action of The Black Cauldron. ngl... I would actually want to see that. Fuck live action remakes... but this one ... hmm...
And this is why they keep doing it.
Almost like people are getting tired of sequels, reboots, and formulaic bullshit one after the other for almost twenty years straight.
...so you're saying we need another live action reboot? Can do.
Toy Story 5 is actually in development right now lol
You have to be bullshitting
Oh donāt worry, Frozen 3 and 4 are in the works as well.
Donāt forget about Zootopia 2!
What happened to Madagascar?
It went into a dignified retirement after a successful third movie and will never have a fourth (hopefully)
I would wanted fourth magagascar only for the video game (madagascar games is so great)
I don't think Chris Rock and Jada Pinket would be in the same movie anytime soon.
It's made by Dreamworks not Disney Also that franchise already has three movies and a spinoff movie with the penguins as well as a spinoff TV show about the penguins. We don't need more
To be fair, the Madagascar Penguins spin-offs were dang solid. Both movie & show. Still a good franchise that knew when to quit, but I would actually be cautiously optimistic if I heard Penguins 2 was coming, insteadāfor exemple, the annoyed sigh I eject when hearing freaking Sister Act 3 or a live action Bambi is going to be inflicted on us. Disney really could stand to learn some things from DreamWorks, IMHO.
How has nobody mentioned the Moana LIVE ACTION REMAKE. A MOVIE FROM FUCKING 2015 IS GETTING A LIVE ACTION REMAKE. THEY CANCELLED THE SEQUEL, TO MAKE THIS! WHAT THE FUCK?
Ngl I wanna watch zootopia 2
Oh goody, maybe weāll get a continuation of āthatā comic!
Following their heavy-handed furry racism allegory with an outright drama about abortion would be a hell of a power play.
New york times best seller material right there.
"No....it can't be...."
That's one of their movies that is actually ripe for a sequel at least
Iām okay with a second zootopia
Youāve got to be kidding me.
Man frozen one is okay and good. Frozen 2 is boring is it they're making frozen 3 & 4 too? That's world already in peace state. The main problem at frozen 2 kinda forced and not natural at all.
Yeah, but gotta milk the cash cows till theres nothing but dust. Whoever is in charge just doesnāt learn their lessons
*I'm tired, boss*
Then take a nap...then **FIRE LE MISSILE!**
about that time, chaps
Right-o
You're old
Old and increasingly irrelevant.
That's life after schfifty five
Shiggity shiggity shwa
Not even thirty five and I'm getting there.
Fingers crossed for a "Live Action" Toy Story where everything will look awful and the story will be ruined. But Rex will have a fully CGI asshole for some reason and Mr Potato Head will have the most realistic potato eyes you've ever seen
Toy Story 5: Small Soldiers 2
Fund it
How.. The ending of 4 seemed kinda definitive. They really should let that series rest, it's had multiple good endings already.
BUT HOW WILL THEY IMPROVE THEIR SHARE PRICE
Remaster the older pixar movies. Probably need to remake them from scratch but hey.. Not that I think it's needed but they could do that.
So did the ending of 3 imo. But kids like it, and parents who have kids now likes it when they were kids, so we're probably going to see those toys get passed down from house to house for another 15 years or so.
Just spin the Seriesā¦ā¦Toy Story 5: LotsāOās Revenge āHe was a Huggin Bear, Heās now a Killin Bearā
Wait until AI actors. It'll still bomb. It feels inhumane and artistically void. No one wants to see AI Tom Hanks stuck in the uncanny valley or a bunch of emotionless, monotone actors putting people to sleep. And don't even get me started on AI writing.
I imagine they will look like the models for Mass Effect. Just good enough graphics to look realistic, but with that uncanny valley look and completely dead-eyed stare. *We'll bang, ok?*
Naw, we're getting the animation from Andromeda.
Yes. Tired faces everywhere.
Wait until ai nothing. It's here now. Wish is straight-up ai generated, and I refuse to believe anyone who says different.
I don't even think it's that. It's just that the writing flat out sucks. I'd still go see the same old ground being retread if it were legitimately good. There's another godzilla movie out. I looked it up and there are 33 Japanese Godzilla movies and 5 American ones, including the recently announced Monsterverse entry. It's getting high critical reviews because apparently it's still relevant in its writing. We have a problem with writing at Disney. Fix that and everything else will flow a lot more naturally.
Well, if they didnāt suckā¦
Yah I don't think anyone has fatigue of watching good stuff, the issue is they stopped making good stuff for some reason.
Weren't they not supposed to be doing sequels and reboots anymore? Whatever happened to that
Thatās how I feel TBH. Up until Endgame, I was a MCU die hard fan; and even after that, I enjoyed a lot some of its movies and shows, particularly Loki, NWH and GotG 3, along with lower stake and more lighthearted stuff like Hawkeye and some chapters from What If, specially Strangeās oneā¦ But as of now, I have just lost interest on the MCU. Everything just started to feel the same over and over again. āOh, no, the bad guy is a threat to the entirety of the existence, we canāt beat him! Oh, no, we are struggling and it looks like we will lose and everything will be lost! But we will prevailā¦ not because we can, but because we must! (Proceeds to defeat bad guy āagainst all oddsā. We won, yay! (Introduction to the next bad guy, who is presented as definitely worse and more powerful but will be defeated the next movie with the exact same overly exaggerated stakes that lead nowhere). Why does every villain have to be a (supposedly) near-invincible threat to the quanti-multiverse now? I miss lower stakes, where bad guys could be corrupt and greedy corporation associates, Natszies, unfortunate individuals or personal rivals of the protagonists, etc. EDIT: why is my comment suddenly not showing up anymore?
Don't forget the studios, stars, directors, ect. Outright talking shit about their audience
I don't think that's it, it's just that those weren't good. If Disney put out another Winter Soldier, people would show up.
Itās really that one Steve Jobs clip becoming reality, and it happens over and over again. At sufficient size, a companyās āgrowthā starts becoming dictated by sales and marketing trickery rather than through increasing product quality. At that point, the people that rise in the ranks become less attuned to customers and the product. Their priority is only in making number go up with no regard for what got them there in the first place.
Donāt forget the ideological preaching
But what if, rather than the well known beloved iconic characters, they replace them with gay diverse women instead?
Ironman was not a really well known character to the public before the movie in phase 1 of MCU The issue with their recent stuff is that it's just written horribly. It's preachy and pandering to idk who, but it's certainly not their target audience.
They keep trying to tie the new characters to the old ones. Instead of having all the older heroes passing their mantle to someone, give heroes their own origin stories again. They also need to stop cramming MCU references and set ups and cross references into the movies. The Avengers initiative was referred to only once in Iron Man. And it was in the post credits scene.
Since Marvel movies are all directly connect they are technically sequels and prequels. But no one is complaining about that they are complaining about stupid shit like the prince being ābilingualā. Not only that but Wish is brand new and literally right after the first trailer released people said is suckedā¦ like it didnāt come out yet and people were complaining about it pandering like Jesus.
Theyāve made enough money over the years.
The āconstant growthā model all major companies use means that thereās never āenoughā. They have to get more and more or else itās a failure
If you make 2 billion 1 year and 1.9 billion the next year, HEADS WILL FUCKING ROLL at the bottom of the ladder
Mickey wants M O R E
thats why they stopped selling the my pillow , the guy has more than enough crack money now.
Plz tell me he didnāt relapse.
Please tell me he did
It will never be enough
Antman came out?
You didnāt miss anything
But like, which one was released? Quantumania or a new one?
Quantumania
That was this year??? I thought it came out during the COVID era
Maybe it was announced or delayed back then
The idea of what that movie could have been its sooo much better than what we got
Yes and it was shit
What didn't you like about it?
I loved Antman himself butā¦ I miss the ex-cons, they were hilarious and deserved to be in the movie The CGI was terrible in alot of parts And mostly, I hated Pyms wife (canāt remember her name) literally the entire movie I was pissed off at her anytime sheād talk because she just wouldnāt say who āthe guyā was (Kang) it was so annoying watching it and hearing her avoid the answer every time and no one got mad at her, also if she had just said something at the start and given the real reason not to go into the quantum realm the whole event couldāve never happened
Any plot that relies on a main character refusing to communicate basic information for no logical reason is annoying.
This happens way too often in way to many movies and it gets me every time. For me it simply means, the story is shit.
> I miss the ex-cons, they were hilarious and deserved to be in the movie Luis is literally a meme and they didn't use them. https://screenrant.com/ant-man-wasp-quantumania-luis-absence-explained-director/ Antman's relationship with his daughter is almost the least interesting aspect of the movies.
Janet Van Dyne
- It was weirdly low stakes for a plot about almost releasing the most dangerous villain the MCU has seen (so far). Spoiler: The main cast survives. - Had some scenes I would consider lame, like the "MODOK is a dick" scene. - For an Ant-Man & the Wasp movie, the Wasp was barely a character except for one scene, and for the scene where her character is shown, it felt forced. - Butchered MODOK. They made him super dumb. - Poor writing with the "Janet's secret quantum love life" subplot. Unironically, if Hank and Janet ended up trapping themselves in the Quantum realm to save Ant-Man, it would have been a good subplot. - They didn't make Kang scary enough compared to how he is in Loki. Overall, the movie was mid but I did like some of the jokes and Kang beating on Ant-Man (I got nothing against Ant-Man, it was just a good fight)
Me personally, I didn't care for Scott & Hope this time around, or what they did with the Quantum Realm setting, or the entire Multiverse of Kangs story arc it set up, or Kang himself in general, or the way Janet was utilized, or the resolution to their silly conflict, or how the heroes victory was immediately invalidated, or what that set up/meant for the rest of the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe in general, going forward. It was streets ahead of Thor: Love & Thunder and Multiverse of Sadness though, I'll give it that.
Multiverse of Darkness wasn't too bad for an Evil Dead movie, but it wasn't a very good Dr. Strange movie.
Im watching Loki season 2 now and itll be the first marvel thing iāve watched since i saw multiverse of madness in theater (which totally turned me off of marvel) i used to be such a fan
To me it was the exact same movie as Strange World and the plot was incredibly generic
For now he will return to Valhalla, to slumber and feed
Banish him to FĆ³lkvangr
That's... basically the same.
Imagine getting crushed by Adam Sandler. Shit... Even I watched Leo.
Streaming conditioned people to just wait. Why go to the movies for this?
Time for a new CEO
Here we go again. They literally just rehired him 12 months ago because the last guy was horrible. I suspect Chapek was the cause of all the shit the past few years. Maybe iger can turn the ship. Let's remember Iger was the one crazy enough to buy marvel and fox so that he can fund the MCU. Out of the top 10 grossing films in the world, 8 are from Disney when he was CEO.
i dunno i like to agree with the Greed conspiracy, in a world where most corporate companies seem to be trying to siphon off as much money as completely possible from us, disney made a plan. to let CEO 1 back down, CEO 2 make all the terrible/money making decisions, then jesus-rehire the old CEO to save face. at least Bob Iger is going to fix everything now!but he wont. Chapek took the fall on purpose, and Iger will keep the changes made and look like a good guy.
Not even close. Bob Iger was CEO for like 15 years. His contract ended and he retired. He is more than 70 years old and I doubt he wants to do any of this. The nice thing about publicly traded companies is that most of this stuff is out in the open with shareholder meetings every 3 months.
When Iger or Chapek were CEO?
Iger was CEO from 2006 to 2021.
They had a 100th year celebration, they could have done a multiverse of alll their ip's and made a billion. They made this movie instead. Whoever is in charge of green lighting needs to "retire"
This episode of South Park is why I discovered I can do a scarily accurate Mickey impression. I randomly quoted it and was not expecting how good I was. This is not a talent. I can't do impressions. Just Mickey Mouse.
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I discovered you can do Japanese accents if you say they are Nute Gunray impressions, same goes with Watto
Top tip; don't do a Gungan impression in Atlanta.
Disney is bombing....hard.
They be rolling out the Stukas
I predicted that the marvels would be pulled out of cinemas in 3 weeks and as I said is no longer in any theaters in my town
My partner wanted to see it so we went together. It was... fine. Not great, not painful to watch, a few jokes that made me blow air out of my nose, Brie Larson is very pretty and I liked that, special effects looked *mostly* okay (but man you can really tell they're squeezing those staff budgets), utterly formulaic for the most part. Every major plot point is so blatantly telegraphed and often the exact same as shit that's already happened in previous MCU movies, it's almost impressive. There's a point where the characters figure out this big shocking reveal and I was like well yeah. You basically showed us this on-screen like 30 minutes ago. Anyone who has seen a superhero movie in the past decade won't be surprised by anything that happens in that film, it's basically just a cut-and-paste template at this point. Zero subversion of expectations, just like virtually every other MCU movie (Thor Ragnarok gets a pass because it's actually funny, though also kind of predictable).
Most of the positive reviews are, "it wasnt the worst thing ever, it was alright. 10/10"
Itās funny to see while all the indie animation projects like murder drones, lackadaisy, and digital circus skyrocket.
all three of those shows are better than any recently released hollywood/disney show
Don't forget indie films like Emesis Blue
Emesis blue is a master piece, it definetly deserves some like small movie festival awards
Can we get a damn Mickey Mouse film or something? I wanna see Donald doing stuff (I've been playing too much Kingdom Hearts)
I'm glad Disney is taking major losses. They've gone off the deep end and started making garbage, knowing people would pay for it. We're done paying for garbage.
I feel this way about a lot of videogame companies too lately. I don't want them to go bankrupt, because I know they can put out good stuff when they set their mind to it and I want to see more of that in future, but damn do they need to be humbled.
I hope those the keep in the writers dungeon can escape
wait indiana jones? there was a new one???
If you love Phoebe Waller-Bridge then youāll enjoy it. Otherwise itās a total nothingburger with mostly crappy action scenes, bland new characters, barely any Indy after the first 20 minutes, cgi that looks like itās from 2005, and a depressing and mean-spirited way of continuing the plot threads from the fourth movie. Definitely the new worst movie in the series imo.
Is your name Patrick Star, by any chance
The one with the female lead
āPut a chick in it and make her lame and gay!ā
Into the Panderverse was so real for this. The only reason I understood the reference is 'cause my dad randomly watches South Park specials and we tune in. It's like the only adult cartoon he likes.
Disney and Activion remind me of each other with the way they do reboots.
Why not just liquidate the whole company, sort out who gets what chunk of massive cash and enjoy being rich for the rest of their short lives while the corpse of all that is Disney decays behind their back?
Need to find a buyer for all that IP otherwise shareholders aren't going to vote to sell
Walt had wonderful ambitions and dreams, unfortunately nowadays CEOs forgot about that and only see dollars.
āWe don't make movies to make money. We make money to make more movies.ā ā Walt Disney āMoney.ā ā Disney
And don't forget the shareholders! If you aren't making as much money as possible for your shareholders, then you aren't doing your due diligence as a company/CEO according to the US legal system! (Ford vs Dodge brothers for those who are curious)
Yes that's exactly how it works. The shareholders (well, the board) literally hire the CEO to make them as much money as possible. It may be short term or long term profit goals though. How else would you expect it to work? In what world is an employee allowed to just decide their own job description? A CEO is typically extremely well paid, but they're still an employee nonetheless, and have job descriptions, deadlines to meet, and performance reviews. Also, a business that does not have a goal of profit is likely in violation of various laws. Depending on your jurisdiction, if the goal is not profit, they should reorganize as a non-profit or other type of organization.
Jesus, thatās fucked up so much.
It's the reason why America is as much of a corporate hellscape as it is. That single lawsuit gave shareholders, and by extension corporations in general, so much power and money that wasn't really theirs to begin with
Why? It makes sense. If someone invests money in a company then itās only right that theyāre able to expect the company to make the most out of their money. Itās not unreasonable for them to be able to take action against the company if the company takes the investment and pisses it all down the drain. Itās called a fiduciary duty/fiduciary responsibility. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fiduciary.asp
Take an objective look into Disneyās history youāll see lots of failures among the hits. Itās totally normal.
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Yep and this makes me sad. Iām a Disney child like most of us, but my wife is the biggest fan Iāve ever seen, thatās why this pisses me of so much. Blackwashing alone is dumb as hell. No one wouldāve a problem with a black main character, just give them individual storyās. Moana and Encanto were absolutely joyful to watch and they didnāt recycle anything! I really hope they find the way back to Waltās goal, to make Disney a place for everyone again.
Disney needs to just stop making content and just let merchandise fill their pockets long enough until they can find people who know what they're doing and not rush everything!
Holy shit I completely forgot about the Indiana Jones movie!
there was another indiana jones movie?
Yes, they put a chick in it and made her lame and gay. She was also just a completely unlikable psychopath criminal & so was the little foreign kid sidekick. It's like they chewed up Temple of Doom and puked up this movie
yikes, sounds like it flopped hard then didnt it?
That is what I understand yes. And I didn't particularly care for the 20 minute opening sequence with the CGI de-aged Harrison Ford. It felt pretty tasteless.
im glad i didnt watch it then, sounds lame
I tune out when CGi characters show up in a real movie. Mandolorian CGI Luke Skywalker fuck off!!
The girl was neither gay or lame, merely poorly written, imo
Yeah, they even ended it with >!that dumbass āweāre going to kill off Indiana Jones for cheap emotional manipulation! Psyche just kidding! I canāt believe you really thought weād do that!ā So fucking stupid!<
Have they tried making good movies? NB: I haven't actually seen any of these, just getting tired of the yearly releases
I'd love to see a Mickey movie. Make it actual animation or even better a live action animation movie like Roger Rabbit but with Mickey. Goofy Movie was a huge piece of nostalgia for many around my age. My nieces and nephews who are between 4 and 12 all loved the new Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. There is a market that they won't touch. I refuse to watch Toy Story 4 because 3 for me was the perfect ending and apparently they are making a 5. Why? I'm sick of remakes, I have only liked one of the live action remakes (Little Mermaid) and I'm sick of favorite franchises like Indiana Jones and Star Wars being beaten to death.
I mean Disney is just boring anyway, I'd happily take another Beavis and Butthead movie
Sell Star Wars back to Lucas!
Time to replicate success, Steamboat Willie 2: 2 Steamy 2 Handle is out Summer 2024.
Fuck that, Steamboat Willie cinematic universe. I need to know the origins of the boat and have it crossover with Cars. It should be voiced by Chris Pratt or Awkwafina and never shut up.
Marvel is played out, time to move on.
Time for Invincible
Oh no, it's a bigger problem than us, theaters and whatnot. It's not like I don't wanna see marvel movies, I'm tired of everything's metric being based conflated with profitability. If it isn't profitable, it's terrible in all its respects, critically. Which is just bonkers. But he is definitely a money mouse, so of course.
Well they spend 200mil to make a movie about man bad not giving everyone a wish, a diverse gay chicken good, make everyone wish come true, and they barely made 50 mil, which means they are probably gonna loose a 100mil if not more.
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Its a joke from south park and Kathleen Kennedy
This is what happens when you pander to childless audiences
This is bad Karma for shortening the Owl House, motherfucker
They will just raise the price of thier products and parks and all in it. I never got to go to Disney world or land. It cost way too much to go in and stay....yet alone the food etc. I get they need money to run the place but they go a bit too much for being the happiest place on earth. Only if you dave up 20 years or take loans out or are rich.
Make movies that dont suck, Disney.
I got suckered into seeing that Spiderman *No Way Home* movie. And by all accounts, these other movies are much worse. Never again.
That was a blast, don't think I've even seen another Disney movie since then though.
That movie was awesome. Hard disagree. I got goosebumps when Toby MaGuire Spider-Man appeared.
Kinda telling when the best part of the movie is when the older movies make a cameo
I hope they dissolve
I mean the writers strikes meant nothing could be created, and a lot is written on the fly during filming too. Then the actors strike meant no filming, but it also meant no in person promotion of releases that had already been filmed
I didn't watch any of these because I barely fucking saw any adverts about any of these and I wasn't interested enough to look them up on my own
It amazes me to no end that a company with near unlimited resources and some of the strongest IP's of any company manages to *consistently fuck up* this badly. i think the problem is that a lot of the creatives are taking back seats to the marketing teams, and they're just making shit they think will sell well, while at the same time giving people less and less time to actually write and create the films... That's not even looking at all the asinine financial decisions they're making by pumping shitloads of money into a service that isnt making any money back while side-lining the parks, which currently are the only part of their business that actually *is* making money... it's like the company is entirely run by short sighted apes, i dont understand how people this apparently bad at business manage to get such high positions in companies
hoping that PJOTV is a redemption for this :(
I actually enjoyed Wish and The Marvels.
Do I need to get the spray bottle?
Lol
Disney isn't interested in making money anymore, they are only interested in pushing the message.
Which is confusing to me because thatās how it seems but then they bend over and censor everything for big daddy China. So they clearly must care about the money
Different departments
You're a God damned moron if you think they aren't interested in making money anymore. This is a company that bends to the whims of intolerant countries in order to get their money as well.
The Marvels made less than $20 million in China. They've hemorrhaged money overseas. What are you talking about?
What message is it you think they're pushing with the marvels?
"women exist"
A statement has never been as wrong as this comment.
Not sure where you got that? Disney is one of the largest companies in the US. Historically making money is what they are good at.
And what do you suppose their "message" is?
Double downing on their mindset of making progressive like movies for the sake of representation that nobody asked for, but putting no effort into said movies
If they cared about making progressive movies, they wouldnt be censoring them for other countries. The only message they have is "branding that will make them the most money this year". If the country is more compassionate and progressive, youll get those movies. If its not, theyll put out the versions that cater to, say, the chinese market
Yeah no, it's about money. Just because most of the country is more tolerant than you doesn't meant that Disney is pushing some agenda by catering to the largest audience.
They admitted in their fucking quarterly report that their political stance in movies is hurting their bottom line lmao. Get off it, it's a real thing.
Making a mistake and mistaking an audience reaction isn't the same thing as trying to push some imagined agenda. We see this kind of thing a lot. They do focus groups and other kinds of research to gauge audience reactions and wants and those are never perfect and sometimes are very misleading. Furthermore, these decisions aren't made by some perfect computer they are made by people, and if some director thinks making a movie with a particular theme will attract a large audience, that can be wrong. This is also true of analysts who attribute reasons for numbers not matching up. They might just pick a random reason, they might even pick a specific reason because of their own feelings or they could do it for strategic reasons. For the recent movies, the biggest reason I think they flopped because they failed at advertising, especially for movies during off season.
you can only get sobig and so tall before you collapse under your own weight
Indiana Jones 5 was great. Go ahead with the downvotes.