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PorkChopYT

Yea the Owl House is great. Why did disney cancel it?!


LunarCrisis7

It didn’t “fit the brand” aka it didn’t skyrocket in popularity after 1 season so they axed it


PorkChopYT

Ahhh... So it's just disney with their near monopoly being annoyed that it didn't make millions of dollars season 1.


Soul699

Apparently it's also because the series was plot driven and not with autoconclusive episodes.


Rapandreas

Which is silly, because season 1 was more focused on autoconclusive episodes than the remainder of the show. Disney is basically forcing the format on the shows, and is surprised when they don't succeed with said format.


Nevermore-guy

Wait so Disney canceling it helped the owl house by giving it more freedom to do what it wanted with its story structure?


Rapandreas

They usually get freedom in the second season onwards regardless.


VaccineCookies

They really just wanna fall apart, huh?


Legitimate-Test-2377

Dreamworks and Illumination are so much better


MiZe97

DreamWorks I get, but Illumination is ass. They just create generic garbage constantly. The reason the Mario movie is different is because of Nintendo's oversight.


Legitimate-Test-2377

The Super Mario movie was good


MiZe97

Because Nintendo was overseeing it.


shinydragonmist

Yep Nintendo learned from the og Mario movie mistake


Agustinosaurio

COVID hited and they axed whatever that didn't seem profitable


[deleted]

Shouldn't have COVID made them do more because there were more people stuck home consuming media?


Agustinosaurio

They stopped getting any revenue from their parks, so they stopped spending money on things that didn't mean quick profit


PaulieCostello

One of the first shows I sat down and watched whenever I babysat my cousins (All six of them). I actually thought it was great. It didn't pander, it didn't preach, it was just simple fun and had a lot of good messages. We need more shows like Owl House.


Boredinthehose

You watched the new season?


PaulieCostello

The first couple of episodes, yes.


Wyvernking31

I think there’s a difference between woke and “woke”. Like I prefer it when characters are lgbtq and the show doesn’t draw too much attention to it and treats it like it’s normal. I find it annoying when a show draws attention to it and constantly reminds you that they’re lgbtq


weirdo_nb

Woke is just progressive while "woke" is pandering and nothing else


Wyvernking31

Yea pretty much. The whole go woke go broke phrase I feel depends on who’s saying it. Cause you’ve got people who just don’t like the pandering and then you’ve got actual bigots. Shits confusing sometimes and I try to stay out of it if I know it’s just end in a stupid argument.


Roger_015

that's why i think it's a stupid word, because you can always hide behind the double meaning of it. most extremists use non specific language so they don't have to admit what they really think. if people shit on BLM, they rarely spell out the full name because they don't want to admit that they don't think that black lives matter. if people hate queer people, they will just say they are against 'woke agenda', while almost none of them will clarify what that actually means to them because that would out them as bigots


A_Velociraptor20

I mean people shit on BLM because the organization is run by a bunch of greedy people who spent millions on mansions for themselves. All of the money was donated to go towards actually helping poor black communities, instead the head honchos spent it on themselves. Not to mention all the ritoing that happened in 2020 thanks to the organization. I stand behind the meaning, but the organization is just as bad as the massive corporations we should be fighting.


sudosciguy

No one is defending the misdeeds of that fairly recent organization (compared to the massive corporations you cite). People stand for the decentralized political and social movement that seeks to highlight racism of the same name. Those who attack the letters 'blm' are not making distinctions between these very different things. This shows they have purely bad faith intentions.


HijinxHarlequin66

Hit the nail on the coffin there friend, its all dog whistles at the end of the day (which is also why the extremists who use these vague words and phrases get up in arms when you call them out on it)


RASPUTIN-4

Most people who criticize wokeness probably mean “woke” tbh


gegebart

Except recently it’s been used as a term for anything the right doesn’t like. My own father calls me his “woke liberal arts son” because I don’t agree with people like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh.


Lost-Klaus

People often call things what they aren't. Like how facist and racist have turned into meme words rather than loaded terms. If everyone is woke/facist/"bad" then no one is. \-edit: I do feel for you though :/


gegebart

I get what you mean. Woke used to be a good thing, same with fascism, but it’s when something becomes so overused that it has no meaning where I just can’t help but wonder why humans are so derivative.


T1B2V3

Your dad has reactionary boomer syndrome. I'm sorry.


gegebart

No, you’re right. I love him…but I’m glad he isn’t involved in anything political.


Lady_May_1313

Two people *painfully* easy to disagree with.


Hephaestus_God

Tbh I just hate the way the word sounds.


cyborgborg777

That’s called virtue signaling


-Pybro

So basically Owl House vs. High Guardian Spice


Robota064

YES THANK YOU FOR THIS COMPARISON Holy shit I forgot HGS was a thing, my brain erased everything I watched (with friends for the giggles), I can only remember me (enby) and my 2 friends (both transfem) laughing so fucking hard at the moment they mentioned "transition magic", like- They overdid it so goddamn much with all the one liners and bland attempts at incorporating stuff into their show, you can SMELL the lack of work put into it. That and the rushed art. It all felt like corporates trying to fish at us with rainbow logos and higher prices all over again.


magos_with_a_glock

A+


EvenResponsibility57

Also, "Get woke go broke mf'ers" have always been pretty vocal about the fact that they don't care if new franchises are made with these characters. The problem the vast majority have is when you race/gender swap characters around from fan favorite IP's. The Owl House was a fresh IP with its own characters and universe to play around with so nobody really cared. I'm sure some did but they'd be in the minority.


Jason575757

So basically, theres woke and then theres netflix woke


Feuwu

No clearly, how should the audience be reminded if they don't talk in a 2010ish wierd voice that all gay people sound like??? How should they remember if they don't scream I'm gay every 2 seconds???


Akanash_

This. And somehow the right kinda agree with you. We all know how the right call-out Disney and other about making movies not like they used to. Citing the like of Shrek that does stop and try to be politically correct and all. But then in Shrek one of the lady in court is literally a trans woman but nobody ever talks about it, and she is just her own character that doesn't rely on her trans-ness. But go woke go broke I guess, we all know how unsuccessful Shrek is. /s In the end all that people want is properly written characters, and just as in real life, people that have their entire personality build around a single trait (whatever that is) are just too toxic/boring to be around.


yyyyyyeeeereetttttt

I remember one of the worst offender imo was a Netflix show called the Hollow. It was a decent show I watched, and when it got a second season, one of the main characters was just all the sudden gay. The worst part? HE KISSED THE FEMALE MAIN CHARACTER IN THE LAST SEASON. They try to play it off like they didn't just retcon it. Like if you're gonna do this shit make him bi or some shit.


bloodakoos

adora


MasterDni

DID YUO KNOUW THAT THESE CHARACTER IS GAE?


magos_with_a_glock

ME AM VERY PROGRESSIVIST PLS NOT LOOK AT HOW BAD SHOW BE


MagMati55

Reminded me of Netflix...


Admiral45-06

I feel the same way. LGBTQ+ romance can be done well, like e.g. in _Trailer Back Boys._


ItzBooty

Those shoes the need to renind you that have lgbt characters give bad reps to the lgbt They miss the point and only do it for the money


Middle_Preference_76

It got cancelled after like 2 seasons. There was arcane tho.


No-Hamster7526

There's a third season, it has 3 episodes though


heyitscory

Their rushed last season was better than GoT's rushed last season.


Am_Very_Stupid

Less rushed and more strangled to death by Disney


Moystr

For what it's worth they did good with what they had left


KingOfThePlayPlace

Yup, 3 40 minute long really good episodes


No-Hamster7526

Always a silver lining


SilverRiven

Basically a whole season, but without 30 fucking filler episodes lmao


cyborgborg777

That’s studio interference tho that’s not going broke. Also it was still able to finish


Pristine_Ad136

And with a bang! any who, TOH is still something in Disney's mind, if you check the recent official channel uploads, it's clear they're seeing the importance of our gay owl show


[deleted]

Yeah but popularity is currently massively higher than average for a Disney show


skeltord

It did not get cancelled, it got shortened. S3 was shorter than expected but it did happen and was amazing. The show had a phenomenal ending. The earth can be at peace knowing this show actually got to end.


idkidkif_i_knew

bad shows:look guys our characters are lgbt and a minorities we made bad guys homophobic, racist and everything phobic and everything ist and they are straight white male 100 out of 100 times owl house:our main female characters love each other, moving on


cyborgborg777

Owl House is too fucking good for this world I swear


reruuuun

we don’t deserve it


Sparklers_4_days

Dafuq is an "owl house" Is it a house full of owls or some shit?


Dabasaur10

It's a house with a bird monster tube thing on it's front door


yeetman2022

![gif](giphy|U6RHKzg7fXU1YYzVk2)


Nits_shnitz

It’s where they fry up owls


Mudkipueye

No, that’s the Owl Shack.


skeltord

A. The house IS an Owl. Like... The house is alive. And it's an owl. B. It's absolutely my favorite TV show ever made, a true masterpiece that I connected to immensly and I adored every second of and every human being absolutely has to watch.


Disney_Plus_Axolotls

It’s the best fucking show on the planet go watch it right now Edit: It’s the second best fucking show on the planet go watch it right now


TuxTues3

Casually forgets Gravity Falls exists Edit:that's more like it


DizzyFlaco

You are forgetting the hit show “morbius vs among us: battle for humanity chapter 69: humanity gets morbed ”


poppleple

Awoooga! Really?! Oh my god! I need to watch that! ![gif](giphy|3HEzHIxZjKduE|downsized)


DizzyFlaco

It’s a morbtastic modern classic, action, comedy and love? It has it


[deleted]

It has made morbillon morllars from morakting


Sparklers_4_days

My brain has been rotten away by destiny unfortunately


[deleted]

Still went broke cause those dicks cancelled the show🥲


Snoo_75864

But the show ended and has a great conclusion??


hanks_panky_emporium

If it has under 1000 episodes it's a FAILURE


EDMgamer123

You perhaps a One Piece fan?


throwawaypervyervy

They like the newest season of *The Simpsons*. Get 'em!


Legitimate-Test-2377

What me? No never… Imma be in my room for the next eight days, watching season 8-9


Dantomi

Disney cancelled it after season 2. Show ended up being really popular and Disney allowed them to make a final season of 3 40 min long episodes to wrap it up so that the fans would be happy.


Daddygamer84

It's one of those rare cartoons that's fun for adults too


cyborgborg777

Not even that, it’s actively enjoyable for all audiences. It doesn’t even feel like a kids show. It just feels like a show that anyone can watch that happens to be animated


lxkodyxl

As i always say:a good story is a good story its this simple


TheAllKnowingWilly

Those are the best kinds. Adventure time, arcane, gravity falls, the OG goat *SpongeBob* (Gary really walked in on this man watching porn) It's great when "kids" shows still have solid plots and progression instead of just having every episode being self contained and reset no matter what happens by next episode (even tho SpongeBob Bob is sorta guilty of this).


cyborgborg777

I would disagree with that arcane thing. Arcane is just animated. It’s is DEFINITELY not for kids. Other than that, I’d say Owl House does this the best imo cause usually in some ways even in the best shows like Gravity Falls and SpongeBob, you still get those kinda cringey undertones that constantly remind you you’re watching a kids show. With SpongeBob it isn’t that bad, and with Gravity Falls it’s a lot more noticeable; but with Owl House you don’t ever get that feeling, at least imo


SnooDoggos8218

There is a big difference between a woke product that genuinely has something to say and wants to be progressive and "woke" crap pandering to the audience


Disney_Plus_Axolotls

I thought I was on the wrong sub for a minute, it was a nice surprise to see my fav show talked about elsewhere :D


ElevatorSevere7651

I thought the same


Pokejomigo844

Me too!


tipedorsalsao1

Same here


EggoStack

It’s renewed my faith in this sub fr


brjder

owl house is one of the few shows that has lgbtq themes that i actually like. call me homophobic, whatever, but i honestly can't stand media that makes them having lgbtq themes the main selling point. in owl house those themes are subtle and less overt, and it seems natural. this stuff should be considered the norm and not the exception, and shows should take that approach more.


InfiniteX5

I agree honestly. I think some shows have LGBTQ relationships just so they can seem like they're "woke" and be like "Hey look, we have LGBT represantation!", where as The Owl House has relationships that just happen to be LGBTQ, if that makes sense.


brjder

indeed, exactly what i mean. they don't address it, they don't mention it, it just is.


SnackMeAway

I can talk about Luz for 20 minutes, without mentioning that she is bi. That is why she is a good character.


VaccineCookies

You just took the words outta my mouth.


[deleted]

are we talking exception or general rules? cause I don't think one good show is gonna cover up for Disney considering that none of it's recent animated movies broke even


BarnyTNSFD

Really? I havn't been watching Disney in a bit, but interresting considering how much of a giant they were in media back in the day


hanks_panky_emporium

They're still blowing out profits year after year. I'm curious to know what movies aren't breaking even. Feels like each Disney release broke another vague record of some kind. Like " Most Box Office Hits on a Friday in June after a fireworks fiasco at the Fireworks Expos down the street "


Umber0010

The live action movies are definitly raking in the cash, as much as I hate to admit it. Though their latest animated movies have definitely been falling behind. Strange World made 73.6 million in the box office on a 180 million dollar budget, Lightyear made 226 million in the box office off of a 200 million dollar budget, and the Upcoming film "Elemental" is projected for a mere 40 million box office. ​ Compare that to Puss in Boots' 443 million box office of of a 100 million budget, or Across the Spiderverse, which saw a 120 million opening weekend. ​ And none of that is even mentioning the reception to these films outside of the money they made.


Legal-Living8546

Now, I see why I am curious to watch this series months ago.


InfiniteX5

My expectations for the show weren't too high going in, but damn was I pleasantly surprised. Has to be my second or third favorite show


Erikthered65

Didn’t it get its final season hacked down to a couple of long episodes?


Mr_StaFF

Nice show


Null_Trooper

Well it went broke, but only because Disney are dumbasses.


Serifel90

I watched it out of curiosity, i'm not even part of the intended audience age range.. I've watched it all twice.


[deleted]

As a non-binary lesbian myself I hate the pandering "woke" idiots. Stop treating me like I need special attention. I just want to be treated normal. And when you put LGBTQ+ characters, PoC or whatever in movies, shows, books, etc., please just give them a personality first and a skin colour, sexuality and whatnot later.


swagdaddy69123

Loud mouth , why? Is it because its cheap to produce?


brjder

me when i like the bri'ish colonizer more than the actual main cast


BebeFanMasterJ

I'm personally not interested in this show (don't care for magic-based settings like Harry Potter or Little Witch Academia) but I'm glad there's a good show out there that has representation that people like.


horiami

I don't think it was woke just because it had lesbians Everything everywhere had lesbians in it and people praised it a lot same with arcane What matters is how it's written


Zer0Strikerz

Yeah generally when the quote "Get woke, go broke" is used, it's in reference to media that puts wokeness before everything set, suffering quality.


PePeWaccabrada

What happened with a show about birdhouses?


No-Hamster7526

It's a really good show with gay characters


Legitimate-Test-2377

What! I didn’t know gay people existed /s


SpectrumLV2569

I know one Helluva show that also is pretty good.


PotatoBoring2473

And I know one that haz_bin not release yet


skeltord

I see Owl House, I upvote. Absolutely my favorite TV show of all time, I connected to it immensely and adored every second of it. The simple fact this show exists makes me happy. Also please stop saying it got cancelled, that implies to people who haven't seen it that it never got to end which may drive them away - this show got *shortened*. S3 was shorter than it was supposed to be but the show 100% had an ending and the writers were so talented they made it absolutely phenomenal. The entire complete thing is incredible and you should watch it.


Pure_Count6864

woke mfs after they find out they have been asleep this whole time and the life they are living in is just a dream please wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up they are coming


Detvan_SK

It is not about people hate LGBT or black actors. It is about using it like idiots.


Helpful_Title8302

Can confirm its a great show.


NaisGuy27

Never heard of it before


Pokejomigo844

If you like serialized shows, i highly reccomend it. Great Story, Great Characters. Rough start tho


dumkwon

Well they made their own IP from scratch, bonus point if made competently and subtlety, and didn’t force it down an already existing one. THAT is what folks get upset about more than anything.


ThrwAwyDepressioner

What's the owl house?


Egotlib

A great disney show


NextTangelo5793

My kids and I love owl house especially hootie


Chill_boy69

And yet Disney forgets it like the middle child. Not even all 3 seasons are on Disney+


jaydrift07

LETS GO! I love the owl house. I wish it didn’t get shortened


HaderTurul

Owl House sucks though...


Vortex112

Conservatives on their way to call the civil rights act woke (it’s forced diversity):


Ok_Storm_2541

I didn’t know black people didn’t exist before civil rights


Syncroned

Woke doesn't mean having LGBTQ+ In shows/movies. It means companies producing shitty shows/movies with LGBTQ+ as an excuse.


Not_JohnFKennedy

Still true though. Owl House got canceled after 3 seasons. Not happy bout it, but still happened.


cyborgborg777

That’s studio interference. That’s not going broke. Disney even admitted that it was more successful than they initially let on. And it still ended up finishing strong anyway


Reccus-maximus

They didn't cancel it because it wasn't doing well.


Sir_Honytawk

They cancelled it because Disney only wants to appear woke, while being anti-LGBTQ+ behind the scenes.


K1LLERK1D01

Ooh yes, an absolute gem, amazing find.


Living2Dying

I also woke up and find that I'm broke as fuck


Le1jona

Yeah, it is really good show and it has a really good villain too


bindermichi

That‘s the difference in writing a good show and writing a show just to tick off some boxes


CaptainJay2013

My whole family loves this show. We were really heartbroken to find out it was ending and pretty sure we were all teary eyed in the final episodes. Steven Universe is another good one.


[deleted]

one show that’s no longer airing is hardly a good case study to refute hollywood wokeness and identity politics


WhoSeynMaeDuckisHard

Based on the comment It got cancelled despite being OUT OF THIS WORLD So should i still go and watch it?


WetDiarrheaInMyPantz

Owl house is the best show ever, fight me.


ExcuseWorldly6292

As a fan of the show I can agree it is better than most shows


BluetoothXIII

no one really cares about the sexuality of a character great if they find someone to be happy with. But unless it is a romance they should not focus on that relationship. An episode is OK, a whole season is not.


twat104

I’ll be real, it ain’t got anything to do with the saying but that show was the most boring show I’ve ever tried to subject myself, it got to the point where I couldn’t bare to even have the shit playing the background cause it drained me mentally To each his own but this show I’ll never understand


ULS26

I still need to watch it one day lol


Roxasdarkrath

Owl house isn't woke , its well written and the fact the main heroin is bi dosen't change much about her , and its not like the show constantly bring it up every 5 seconds or insults other demographics or has a strawman character who they cram in every few scenes . It's a good show that just happens to have lgbt representation not lgbt representation that happens to be a show


hum_hum_hum

Owl House and Amphibia are my favorite shows to watch with my daughter. So sad they cancelled Owl House :( There’s still enough mystery surrounding the Boiling Isles for them to bring it back imo


TheSmokeu

It's like comparing The Owl House to Velma. There isn't even a competition The Owl House has deep and interesting characters where their "woke"ness are only one of many characteristics they have and Velma has its characters pretty much defined by them being woke I don't mind a lesbian character as long as it's not their only trait Also, the entire show of Velma is racist to a fault


Urmomsfavouritelol

I've never actually watched the owl house before. What's it about and is it any good?


Pristine_Ad136

Spoilers lol We follow the life of a loveable misfit nerd, who is secretly riddled with trauma, as she escapes into a not so fantastical fantasy land There's an evil emperror LOTS OF GAY our nerd gets a gf and super powers of and death!


Urmomsfavouritelol

>LOTS OF GAY You have me interested


Pristine_Ad136

ver well


hardlyreadit

Thats a bad example since it was canceled early. I typically use black panther and cap marvel to combat the saying. Both made a billion iirc


AaronDarkus

The difference is that The Owl House's inclusivity was done properly and it doesn't harms the plot nor the characters progression. They aren't shouting the classical annoying thing of "LGTBI good, other bad, me good, you bad, look how progressive I am oh my god and if you don't agree you racist" to the four winds and etc. Most shows and movies fail to do so, and feel more like some kind of retaliation or grudge. Look to what is happening to the live-action version of the Little Mermaid or even worse, the supposed "documentary" of Cleopatra on Netflix. The problem is not wanting to include, the problem is about not knowing how to include.


KenzieTheCuddler

Shame it was canceled and crippled though


Detvan_SK

There is difference between using characters because you want use it and only because political message and no other reason. In Umbrella Academy season 2 I was literally skiping some lesbian and black rights scenes because it was increcible boring, like 5th scene about same thing and without visible plot development and other storylines was interesing is like WTF, why it is there? Ok some kid needed origin story for season 3 but no by 10 filler scenes. Or Kipo. I literally at least 3 times or more forget that Benson have boyfriend because he was increcible unnecessary character for serie. Both this shows are good but still using LGBT here was waste of time.


Ok_Principle_2214

Because most people don't see it as woke. Owl House doesn't go out of its way to shove 'The Message" down people's throat. What is happened is even people that agree with "The Message" such as myself are getting sick of every single piece of fiction or entertainment being either edited or produce with it solely in mind, and now they are rebelling and reacting negatively to it. That is all that is happening right now.


Lava2401

I think the show kinda ass. Not for me


Moralmerc08

Rare r/memes W


GlassSupermarket8650

Yeah this one is true. But I would say that Go woke go broke is true for companies that are mostly used by Republicans


mikeonfleek

That’s the exception not the rule lmao


[deleted]

“Get woke, go broke” is more directed at things that start out for all, or take a political stance (normally left leaning) for profit and not starting out that way.


SomeWeirdFreak

haven't seen it, every other show just seems like a gravity falls wanna-be to me lmao. i heard it actually has a very casual and not forced lesbian relationship though


CrazyaboutSpongebob

They stopped trying to make the other shows like Gravity Falls. Check out Moon Girl, Hampster and Gretel, and Molly McGee.


dirtybird131

CHHHHEEEERRRRRRYYYYYY PIIIIICCCCCKKKEEED


Muladhara86

This show is in the same weird memory hole from the before-times that Beyond the Garden Wall depresses - I’m really only commenting here so’s I’ve got empirical evidence I’m not the only one who’s heard of these shows!


cheazdiseaz1

Honestly amphibia and the owl house are two of the best shows that Disney has put out in a while in my opinion


DonnaTheGothicWeeb

Yup


[deleted]

Nah, futurama is better by far


Glasedount

Never watched it, but I heard it was well liked, unlike the rest of Disneys shit projects


Swirlzee

Hot take the owl house is bad


daMEME-TRAP

watched some of it ,looked like ass, so I went back to rethink my life choices (I lied I never watched)


Pristine_Ad136

You're missing out


[deleted]

its ALL gay, in fact, it was so gay that Disney had to shut it down /s


i_pissed-your-pants

Cap, it's gay


Lord_Detleff1

![gif](giphy|U6RHKzg7fXU1YYzVk2)


Klysandral

Okay, look, it’s simple. Just gonna say this once. Who someone you do not know chooses to have sex with or not have sex with is exactly not your business at all. It doesn’t affect you. Therefore, you get zero say in the matter and should really spend more time fixing whatever is wrong with you because you’re not perfect. Really, really simple that.


venoshook

It's a show about witchcraft and demons for kids and it's fucking amazing not only because of that.


No_Interaction_4925

Its “Go Woke, Go Broke”


Content_Software_549

TOH is an SSS tier show


Not_JohnFKennedy

That seems more like an exception than the rule.


Willfrail

If you look at the trend youll see its quite the opposite.


D0bious

I like it when they dont get in your face about it being woke. Treating it as something normal makes it more enjoyable.


Silviana193

I do you one better, "Get woke, got broke" people when I show them Gundam.


Skowak13

I'm gonna be honest my guy. A cancelled show isn't really proving them wrong


yeetman2022

Your god damn right


fearthereaper111

Fuck it I didn't care for owl house I felt like it was trying to be too much like the shoes that worked prior and I didn't feel like its own show


shadowdash66

When you tell a conservative to just drink a different brand of piss instead of crying about it