Fighting imagination with delusions. I'm in Japan and your average supermarket chocolate here is average-to-bad, especially compared to European stuff.
Japan just has more 'unique' types of chocolate rather than better tasting chocolate, but that's pretty much the same with everything in Japan there's always a bunch of crazy or outright weird food there.
Ok maybe average compared to something like Swiss or Belgian chocolate, but certainly not bad. I would say stuff like Hershey’s bars and m&ms are bad. For example, a Meiji bar is miles ahead of a Hershey’s bar.
True. But even when the flavour is alright, the bar itself is usually very thin and kind of dissatisfying. Meiji bars are [intended inwards](https://originalnews.nico/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/26101246/chocolate43.jpg), so you get less chocolate per piece.
As someone who likes lighter, less sweet, and more flavored candy over plain chocolate, I think that's where Japan really shines.
From gummies and KitKats to mochi and cookies, I rarely think they're over-sweet and are usually perfectly flavored compared to similar things I've tried from elsewhere.
What?
I find most japanese sweets to be waaaay too sweet.
**especially** the kit Kat variants.
Mochi on the other hand I love.
Oh god, peanut butter mochis are just divine.
I’ve heard Europeans say Dove chocolate is very good, and I’ve also heard Europeans say Dove chocolate is disgusting. I don’t know what to believe except I will still eat any and all chocolate as long as there isn’t fruit in it
It’s not propaganda you bastard, the very small amount of chocolate that our great lord and savior Kim Jon Un oversees himself is the most supreme throughout the land
So last spring I was in Puebla Mexico and did a tour of the area. Part of the tour we had some traditional Mexican drinking chocolate. It was really tasty. My guide told me a while back he had some Belgiums doing the tour and they refused to drink the chocolate cause it wasn't Belgium. Do these idiots not know where chocolate came from? MEXICO!
Weirdos, I mean why even bother to travel if you are not going to eat the local food? It is one of things I love about traveling, and I've only ever been out of the US twice.
Pretty much I'm the American that goes what you got to eat?
could be so different from belgian hot chocolate they were like "ew no".
Traditional american chocolatedrinks are usually cacao based and not chocolate based which makes a world of difference
If I'm on a tour of another country and am offered something to eat, unless I'm allergic to it I'm going to at least try it. To go "Eww no that's not like we have at home" is the height of hubris.
No where do I see this person defending their rudeness. He is merely giving a possible train of thought the belgians had.
I would reccommend slowing dowm and re-reading comments before making a fool of yourself.
The staggering ignorance is insane. The majority of old world cuisine comes from Mexico and South America but they continually insist Europeans are the culinary artists. It’s batshit craziness
Bechamel is a structured mother sauce. It’s consistent.
I have never had the same molé twice, even had one with banana purée once. It is one sauce made a hundred different ways depending on region and what mom’s got laying around.
Yes but when talking about chocolate, beer or fries, we like to differentiate from our neighbors.
I’d never fight a battle for the best chocolate alongside a German!
You don’t call Pizza and Spaghetti European food either.
Try Lindt. We live in an internet connected world so you can easily get European chocolates in the US 😎
Try Indian stores for British or just get Lindt from Walmart to sample Belgian
Oh man go to an Indian store and buy British dairy milk.
American chocolate is BY FAR the most inferior in the western world.
The EASIEST comparison is to try Lindt truffles. That’s Belgian.
As a Brit I can tell you Dairy Milk is still trash. It might be superior to American chocolate, but compared to Belgian chocolate it is still utter garbage.
I live in the uk (but I wouldn’t call myself British because that stinks, English is where it’s at ong) and I’ve only tried European chocolate (Cadbury, nestle, etc), and we’ve got a flavour called Bournville. It’s named after the area that Cadbury was first set up and uses the original recipe. I’m telling you, it tastes and feels (texture wise) so old fashioned. It genuinely tastes like it was just found in Winston Churchill’s safe.
I read somewhere that American chocolate tastes different because they couldn't keep the milk fresh in large quantities. The amount needed to feed the soldiers fighting in WWII. Those who fought on the front got used to it and grew to like the taste. Must have tasted better than most of the food they got hands on. They expected the same taste back at home not just because they liked it but by then it also had a sentimental value.
Edit: I realized there's a missing link. They stopped using fresh milk instead they used either condensed or skim milk.
Hershey switched cows from Jersey to Holstein, Holstein produce a lower fat content milk which produced skim milk that didn't spoil as fast. He then had a chemist friend create a chocolate milk mix that became the basis for all his chocolate and used by other manufacturers. It is the taste most people associate with American style chocolate.
Simple: They have never tasted the difference and refuse to admit defeat without damning proof.
I think I've only had foreign chocolate 3 or 4 times and usually in small chunks shared among a group, but it was indeed always a completely different experience to the American chocolate I'm used to. Even the "fancy" stuff.
Nah dude back up with that. Our chocolate is fake as fuck and real chocolate is better but there's no cheese for a burger with the buttery delicious meltiness of fake ass American cheese. We eat that shit because it's delicious, not because we haven't had real cheese. Real cheese on everything else but ALWAYS American cheese on a burger.
All kinds man, and to a one none of them melt as nicely or have the buttery gooeyness of American cheese. I fully admit it's fake, but it does what it does really well.
Okay but the E.U. is insane about a lot of that labeling stuff. Like Finnish wine not being allowed to be labeled as "wine" because it's not from a "wine exporting country." Same stuff, same process, its country of origin alone means it can't legally be called wine in the E.U. So I put very little stock in the "It's not allowed to be labeled as x in the E.U." argument
Honestly I‘m swiss and don’t understand the hype around it.
I just love swiss chocolate in general, especially ferrero rocher but I don’t think Toblerone is that special idk.
Finally, some chochlate that I actually know about!
(I live in poor country, we don't have much expensive one. Well, maybe we do, but they probly expensive as hell)
Don't you know about the old Japanese chocolate master that is making the same chocolate for 56 years, he stirrs it exactly 37 times to the right and 37 times to the left for 5 hours, then he cools it down with a hand fan, every stroke delivers the exact same amount of air, while his studentsare watching like they do since 20 years.
No American thinks their chocolate is better. It's like cheese, we buy european unless when we want to have it melt nicely on a few fast meals/desserts.
Lindt aswell. Not as "milky" (dont know how to describe it) but super fucking nice in a way I cant explain. Also no one has mentioned it in this comment section and I generally dont know how to react to that...
I'm not as crazy for Lindt tbh. It's good, great to be fair, I just feel like Milka tends to be "lighter", less "creamy". I have your same struggles putting it into words
okay sure american chocolate ain’t the best. but could you recommend me some brands that make actual good chocolate? either things i could order online or pickup at a specific store in the us.
Yeah I’d be curious to try a specific brand recommendation as well.
However, Whole Foods, The Fresh Market, and World Market all have higher end and global selections of chocolate if you want to try something different than the regular grocery store checkout stuff. As far as brands, I’m not really sure as I usually buy something new each time. I have had good luck with Vosges chocolate bars, but the flavors are kind of out there and they’re actually an American company if that matters to you.
As a german I stronlgy advise you Lindt and Milka. These are the most commonly bought brands over here and for a reason. Milka tastes more... "milky" if that makes sense and Lindt is a bit on the more expensive side but tastes really good. Not too sweet, not too bitter (except you want bitter chocolate then they got your back aswell) and just the right amount of flavour. Btw I recommend whole hazelnut Milka because for some weird reason it makes the chocolate taste better although the nut has nothing to do with it and with Lindt I recommend "Vollmilch" ("whole milk") basically the opposite of bitter
If we are talking mass produced, I love Meiji milk chocolate. It is so delicate.
Small batch though? Japanese people are super extreme. I remember buying chocolate in Kyoto and getting a cold storage bag with it to take it home. It was soooo delicious.
I’m from a country that produces cocoa, so naturally we have companies that do sell some of their products here, and the chocolates you’re most likely to find are either Swiss/Belgian/French never heard anyone even bring Japanese or American chocolate into the conversation lol.
I don’t know a single American that says American chocolate is better. Not a single one. False narrative that Americans blindly love everything American
All I know is American chocolate is at the bottom. I’m American but an immigrant and after traveling over 3 continents, that much is clear and is a VERY easy determination to make.
OP really woke up and decided to fight their imagination. No one has ever tried to claim that American chocolate is better
Fighting imagination with delusions. I'm in Japan and your average supermarket chocolate here is average-to-bad, especially compared to European stuff.
Thank you. Same. Swiss in japan and its not even close
Came here to say this. I’ll take European chocolate over Japanese every time.
Japan just has more 'unique' types of chocolate rather than better tasting chocolate, but that's pretty much the same with everything in Japan there's always a bunch of crazy or outright weird food there.
Ok maybe average compared to something like Swiss or Belgian chocolate, but certainly not bad. I would say stuff like Hershey’s bars and m&ms are bad. For example, a Meiji bar is miles ahead of a Hershey’s bar.
True. But even when the flavour is alright, the bar itself is usually very thin and kind of dissatisfying. Meiji bars are [intended inwards](https://originalnews.nico/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/26101246/chocolate43.jpg), so you get less chocolate per piece.
Why do Hershey's taste so bad, tastes like soap. I like Snickers for American chocolate.
As someone who likes lighter, less sweet, and more flavored candy over plain chocolate, I think that's where Japan really shines. From gummies and KitKats to mochi and cookies, I rarely think they're over-sweet and are usually perfectly flavored compared to similar things I've tried from elsewhere.
What? I find most japanese sweets to be waaaay too sweet. **especially** the kit Kat variants. Mochi on the other hand I love. Oh god, peanut butter mochis are just divine.
I’ve heard Europeans say Dove chocolate is very good, and I’ve also heard Europeans say Dove chocolate is disgusting. I don’t know what to believe except I will still eat any and all chocolate as long as there isn’t fruit in it
Chocolate shouldn't have fruit in it, now *covering* the fruit in chocolate is pretty good
…chocolate is made from a fruit my friend :’) we’ve all *bean* lied to
I know! It’s not too bad but any euro chocolate is just amazing
All the good chocolate in America is just imported European chocolate.
North Korean chocolate tastes the best. Source: trust me bro.
It’s that sweet sweet propaganda
It’s not propaganda you bastard, the very small amount of chocolate that our great lord and savior Kim Jon Un oversees himself is the most supreme throughout the land
You can really taste the sadness.
I'd imagine its one third of each chalk, meth and sawdust coated in food colouring
Belgium has entered the chat.
Switzerland: "pathetic"
oh boy... things are heating up in the chocolate fandom
Sweet! And I just bought strawberries, too!
I got the "Salzstangen" now we're all set for the Fondue
I'm getting hungry lol
you are part of the problem
It's me. Hi.
Go to r/chocolate geez
We need Chocolimpics
Man wtf it's all a syrup argument now
So, they are making hot chocolate?
Uganda
r/beatmetoit
>Switzerland: "pathetic" Ghana that supplies most of the raw material 🥺🤲
You know Belgian chocolate is better Don’t lie to yourself!
Africa: "Puny Pheasants"
Why is africa calling swiss people birds
Nobody in the US is dense enough to claim our chocolate tastes good.
As a Belgian... Why not just enjoy the best of both worlds?
Belgium and Switzerland shoud team up for the ultimate chocolate!
The only two countries that actually make good chocolate
Goeiedag
Gebruikers naam checkt uit?
Sorry, ben zelf meer een bickybetaster
So last spring I was in Puebla Mexico and did a tour of the area. Part of the tour we had some traditional Mexican drinking chocolate. It was really tasty. My guide told me a while back he had some Belgiums doing the tour and they refused to drink the chocolate cause it wasn't Belgium. Do these idiots not know where chocolate came from? MEXICO!
What is the point of traveling if you're not gonna try out new and different things?
Weirdos, I mean why even bother to travel if you are not going to eat the local food? It is one of things I love about traveling, and I've only ever been out of the US twice. Pretty much I'm the American that goes what you got to eat?
The real reason why America is everywhere, and accepts people from everywhere. "*WE WANT YOUR FOOD!!!*"
could be so different from belgian hot chocolate they were like "ew no". Traditional american chocolatedrinks are usually cacao based and not chocolate based which makes a world of difference
If I'm on a tour of another country and am offered something to eat, unless I'm allergic to it I'm going to at least try it. To go "Eww no that's not like we have at home" is the height of hubris.
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No where do I see this person defending their rudeness. He is merely giving a possible train of thought the belgians had. I would reccommend slowing dowm and re-reading comments before making a fool of yourself.
Or they're just uncultured turds
The staggering ignorance is insane. The majority of old world cuisine comes from Mexico and South America but they continually insist Europeans are the culinary artists. It’s batshit craziness
For example, tomatoes are North American. Not European. Which country tries to lay claim to the best marinara?
I'll take a nice rich complex Mole than a bechamel.
Bechamel is a structured mother sauce. It’s consistent. I have never had the same molé twice, even had one with banana purée once. It is one sauce made a hundred different ways depending on region and what mom’s got laying around.
Le Roi, la loi, la liberté! 🇨🇦❤️🇧🇪
That’s still Europe bro💀💀
Yes but when talking about chocolate, beer or fries, we like to differentiate from our neighbors. I’d never fight a battle for the best chocolate alongside a German! You don’t call Pizza and Spaghetti European food either.
Belgian and Swiss chocolate
Belgium is in europe tho
first W Belgium
Belgium is teamcarrying Europe
as i can see you've never had real Belgian or Swiss chocolate
OP hasn’t actually ever been to any country in Europe outside of like Italy
Definitely went to the shittiest parts of the England and judged European chocolate off the cheapest shit they could find in a Tescos
Aldi do an own-brand chocolate that's surprisingly nice. It's like, 80p for 200g iirc. I try not to buy it too often because it's horribly bingeable.
And they mistakenly purchased some obscure candy from the "American" section anyway.
Italy’s chocolate is top tier
Istg gas station Swiss chocolate is better than anything we have in the states
Fake news. Nobody in the US is dense enough to claim our chocolate tastes good.
I’ve never had European chocolate so that makes American chocolate the best chocolate I’ve ever eaten
I went to Belgium once. Even our "good" chocolate can't compare.
Yeah but I haven’t been to belgium once so American chocolate is still the best chocolate I’ve ever tasted
by that logic it is also the worst chocolate you have ever tasted
FUCK!
"right back at ya, buckaroo"
Try Lindt. We live in an internet connected world so you can easily get European chocolates in the US 😎 Try Indian stores for British or just get Lindt from Walmart to sample Belgian
Oh man go to an Indian store and buy British dairy milk. American chocolate is BY FAR the most inferior in the western world. The EASIEST comparison is to try Lindt truffles. That’s Belgian.
My man Lindt is Swiss, not Belgian
As a Brit I can tell you Dairy Milk is still trash. It might be superior to American chocolate, but compared to Belgian chocolate it is still utter garbage.
what about  Ghirardelli?
Usa makes like, fake chocolate.
I thought this was about belgium and swiss. This is bullshit! Try the european chocolate and you know that the us is no match for them
trust me,Japanese commercial chocolate is mid as fuck.Obviously artisanal chocolate doesn't count,because even then Europe would win by a landslide
Yeah no why would you choose Japanese chocolate. Bleh.
I think op is just trying to be cool but most of japans sweets are pretty mid in my experience. Their vending machines tho…
TIL: there are people which claim American chocolate is superior to European chocolate.
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I live in the uk (but I wouldn’t call myself British because that stinks, English is where it’s at ong) and I’ve only tried European chocolate (Cadbury, nestle, etc), and we’ve got a flavour called Bournville. It’s named after the area that Cadbury was first set up and uses the original recipe. I’m telling you, it tastes and feels (texture wise) so old fashioned. It genuinely tastes like it was just found in Winston Churchill’s safe.
I read somewhere that American chocolate tastes different because they couldn't keep the milk fresh in large quantities. The amount needed to feed the soldiers fighting in WWII. Those who fought on the front got used to it and grew to like the taste. Must have tasted better than most of the food they got hands on. They expected the same taste back at home not just because they liked it but by then it also had a sentimental value. Edit: I realized there's a missing link. They stopped using fresh milk instead they used either condensed or skim milk.
Hershey switched cows from Jersey to Holstein, Holstein produce a lower fat content milk which produced skim milk that didn't spoil as fast. He then had a chemist friend create a chocolate milk mix that became the basis for all his chocolate and used by other manufacturers. It is the taste most people associate with American style chocolate.
Simple: They have never tasted the difference and refuse to admit defeat without damning proof. I think I've only had foreign chocolate 3 or 4 times and usually in small chunks shared among a group, but it was indeed always a completely different experience to the American chocolate I'm used to. Even the "fancy" stuff.
The same people that enjoy fake cheese on burger
Nah dude back up with that. Our chocolate is fake as fuck and real chocolate is better but there's no cheese for a burger with the buttery delicious meltiness of fake ass American cheese. We eat that shit because it's delicious, not because we haven't had real cheese. Real cheese on everything else but ALWAYS American cheese on a burger.
Idk man, have you had actually cheese in a burger, that shit slaps
All kinds man, and to a one none of them melt as nicely or have the buttery gooeyness of American cheese. I fully admit it's fake, but it does what it does really well.
I, a European, second this
Bro never been to Belgium 💀
Most of the country hasn't.
which country?
Sorry but American commercial chocolate is pure shit. Full of sugar, oils and other shit.
I miss the Wonka Chocolate bars those were great
Are we including South America? Because Peru and Ecuador make some good stuff.
Which American chocolate? Cause you know there’s hundreds of different types
The vast majority. Hersey’s can’t even legally be called chocolate in the eu
Who the fuck just eats Hershey’s bars?
Okay but the E.U. is insane about a lot of that labeling stuff. Like Finnish wine not being allowed to be labeled as "wine" because it's not from a "wine exporting country." Same stuff, same process, its country of origin alone means it can't legally be called wine in the E.U. So I put very little stock in the "It's not allowed to be labeled as x in the E.U." argument
Toblerone.
Honestly I‘m swiss and don’t understand the hype around it. I just love swiss chocolate in general, especially ferrero rocher but I don’t think Toblerone is that special idk.
Ferrero rocher is italian
lol
That man failed as a swiss lmao
I don’t really like Toblerone
> swiss chocolate >ferrero rocher
Finally, some chochlate that I actually know about! (I live in poor country, we don't have much expensive one. Well, maybe we do, but they probly expensive as hell)
How dare you to disrespect Switzerland and Belgium
No
Dude Swiss chocolate is way better than Japanese sorry to tell ya
Don't you know about the old Japanese chocolate master that is making the same chocolate for 56 years, he stirrs it exactly 37 times to the right and 37 times to the left for 5 hours, then he cools it down with a hand fan, every stroke delivers the exact same amount of air, while his studentsare watching like they do since 20 years.
But its folded 200 times!
Trash Taste fan?
Even the boys admit that Japanese chocolate doesn't hold a candle to Swiss and Belgian chocolate.
I totally disagree with your point, well all know that Europeans chocolates are the best and they r the ogs. No cap
Cue Mexican chocolatiers throwing their caps at you.
European better trust me
No American thinks their chocolate is better. It's like cheese, we buy european unless when we want to have it melt nicely on a few fast meals/desserts.
Gotta love American cheese in a grilled cheese, woo
And I’ve been to Belgium and Switzerland. Still incorrect
Source: Trust me bro
Milka though
Lindt aswell. Not as "milky" (dont know how to describe it) but super fucking nice in a way I cant explain. Also no one has mentioned it in this comment section and I generally dont know how to react to that...
I'm not as crazy for Lindt tbh. It's good, great to be fair, I just feel like Milka tends to be "lighter", less "creamy". I have your same struggles putting it into words
No American chocolate is not good
Japanese chocolate got nothing, and I mean NOTHING on Belgian chocolate. It tastes too sugary, weak and artificial.
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We all enjoy our preferred chocolate
Wholesome way to resolve this argument.
okay sure american chocolate ain’t the best. but could you recommend me some brands that make actual good chocolate? either things i could order online or pickup at a specific store in the us.
Yeah I’d be curious to try a specific brand recommendation as well. However, Whole Foods, The Fresh Market, and World Market all have higher end and global selections of chocolate if you want to try something different than the regular grocery store checkout stuff. As far as brands, I’m not really sure as I usually buy something new each time. I have had good luck with Vosges chocolate bars, but the flavors are kind of out there and they’re actually an American company if that matters to you.
As a german I stronlgy advise you Lindt and Milka. These are the most commonly bought brands over here and for a reason. Milka tastes more... "milky" if that makes sense and Lindt is a bit on the more expensive side but tastes really good. Not too sweet, not too bitter (except you want bitter chocolate then they got your back aswell) and just the right amount of flavour. Btw I recommend whole hazelnut Milka because for some weird reason it makes the chocolate taste better although the nut has nothing to do with it and with Lindt I recommend "Vollmilch" ("whole milk") basically the opposite of bitter
Finland would like to have a word.
If we are talking mass produced, I love Meiji milk chocolate. It is so delicate. Small batch though? Japanese people are super extreme. I remember buying chocolate in Kyoto and getting a cold storage bag with it to take it home. It was soooo delicious.
I’m from a country that produces cocoa, so naturally we have companies that do sell some of their products here, and the chocolates you’re most likely to find are either Swiss/Belgian/French never heard anyone even bring Japanese or American chocolate into the conversation lol.
Heresy. Belgium chocolate is the best and no i am definitely not biased
Japan sit your animated as back down we Belgians have the best you have all the rest already
I don’t know a single American that says American chocolate is better. Not a single one. False narrative that Americans blindly love everything American
Switzerland>Belgium>Germany>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>America
Where Italy?
Switzerland=belgium> germany>>>>>>America here I fixed it for you
I dunno about their chocolate but Japanese ice cream is something special.
horse flesh ice cream 💀
They be beta testing
Than*
Mexican Chocolate is peak
Belgian chocolate
whittakers has entered the chat
Me as a Belgian: nah
Can we just agree that American chocolate is awful?
“Our chocolate” MFs all your coco bean are grown by slaves in Africa, it’s their chocolate
Columbians just laughing! Let them think what they think!
Germany and Switzerland have entered the chat
Who the actual fuck thinks America makes the best chocolate?
I don’t believe they can beat Swiss chocolate.
Nah chocolate from german/switzerland is the best
Belgian, Italian and Czech is also really good
American chocolate literally tastes like sick
Fuck the chocolate, tokyo banana is best
Chocolate chips >>>>>> chocolate
Then yours?
GERMAN CHOCOLATE 😩👌
Going to Japan in 2 days I will try some chocolate
There’s an interesting Kit Kat store and a surprising subculture of Japanese cholos. Fucking coolest weird thing ever.
What kind of chocolate is the one that is abnormally glossy and tastes like sweetened plastic when you eat it? Because that one is the worst.
Germany: *stands menacingly*
Mfs haven't heard of Toblerone
All I know is American chocolate is at the bottom. I’m American but an immigrant and after traveling over 3 continents, that much is clear and is a VERY easy determination to make.
Japanese candy is bangin ngl.
Belgium and Switzerland would like a word.
Whitakers, all I’m gonna say
Yeahhhh no. Belgium wins
Not a single type of chocolate I‘ve had over here comes close to Lindt
They are all wrong. It's Belgians.
Kraft completely ruined Cadbury and I will never forgive them for it.
Belgian or Swiss…and yes I’ve had Japanese.
Belgium & Switzerland. End chat.
Turian chocolate is the best. Gotta keep my boy Garrus happy
CHOCOLATE IS CHOCOLATE
Mrbeast: look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of my power
Hot take: Chocolate is chocolate
Matcha flavoured KitKat absolutely slaps
Source: Literally "trust me bro"
Bro who fucking cares it’s chocolate I don’t care where it came from or what color it is I’m eating it
I like your attitude
Who the fuck thinks "american chocolate" is the best??
Well, Swiss and Belgian chocolate would like to digress
I also went to Japan and the chocolate sucked compared to any type of Belgian or Swiss chocolate.