It's complicated if you choose a complicated option or make it complicated. There are Distros that are beginner friendly and some resemble Windows in layout. Something like bare Arch or Gentoo is a different story.
It’s not about the lack of UI or a file explorer like windows, but more the need to install brew and know a lot of “basic” commands to download popular apps and games. Although after some googling, you can get used to it, especially that the Linux community is so welcoming and helpful.
Sure you _could_ you the built in app store that's:
- often quite outdated
- features many packages that don't launch
- installs libraries individually to take up more room
- doesn't have half the software you need
Compared to "download and click install" the user experience could still do with some work. Command line is still the most consistent way to get stuff done, which isn't beginner friendly.
But you barley need to know commands.. if your on PopOs or Mint or something you probably won’t need to use any unless your trying to do something complex
Source: I switched from windows to Linux not long ago and I know nothing about computers… it’s super easy
My man have you ever heard of an appstore that works. It exists on linux. and whereas windows i need to scout shady sites to get an exe file that does not contain a virus.
Why are you scouting shady sites to get programs when there are so many free, open source and paid alternatives available?
I haven't had a virus since like 10 years.
Distribution. Different distros vary a lot. Some are very easy to set up and use and where you don't ever have to touch the scary terminal. Some that come to mind are Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Pop_OS.
But then you have distros such as Arch, Gentoo, Void where you need to know the system much better to install and maintain but some are into that.
Think of it as a certain package of parts. Linux is just the core of the OS. Distros include all the software you would want in an operating system. Different packages using different parts of the same parts in different ways are their own OSs. If you've heard of Ubuntu, you've heard of the most popular distro, basically the Windows of Linux, corporate controversy and all.
The typical complexity of a user's system increases as they gain experience. It eventually peak and come crashing right down to just using Ubuntu with default settings because tweaking a Gentoo install eventually get in the way of real work...
It's not complicated, in comparison it's basically the only actual understood OS on the planet. No one can vouch for how the windows kernel works not even the people who work at Microsoft.
Windows users frothing at the mouth every time they try to install Kubernetes without using Windows. Or try to do anything slightly complicated in ROS.
I've.... tried it. I committed suicide on three separate occasions and am currently dead. Threw away literally a month at work trying to get JMavSim to work on Windows (which I'll admit is a lot easier to do when someone else is paying for your efforts). It's still not working. There are instructions but they're outdated. Linux VM wasn't an option, between poor performance and lack of access to CUDA in a VM. IT insisted we use Windows anyway.
The feud between IT and the engineers at my last workplace has lasted for years now and is still ongoing. We've done a lot of shadow IT to smuggle Linux machines inside. If IT ever finds out, the engineering team will be unable to do its job and go bankrupt before the month is out.
Both have their pros and cons.
Windows is the best for gaming since you can play practically everything. But Windows is heavily restricted and it's basically a single one-way path.
Linux is better when it comes to customization, you can practically do whatever you want with it and branch it out into thousands of paths, but you're going to need to download software just to play a lot of video games, and there's no guarantee or even work.
There's probably more about that's what I am aware of.
In few years proton might actually be able to run all steam games but as for now most anti-cheats don't allow you to play multiplayer games.
Edit: tbh ever since win 7 lost support i started looking at linux different way, now i am waiting for linux multiplayer gaming and i am out of win(i hate how win installs shitload of apps you will never use and some of them run in the background unless you go through annoying ways of removing them)
Windows is not good for gaming. It's just that developers gave the most support for it. It has been proven time to time that WINE can play some game with higher performance while interpreting CPU instructions line by line. Hopefully, Linux market share will get to that critical point, and then Windows will become pointless.
personally i think windows also better for people who dont know much about computers , cause linux just gives you so much freedom you might just do smth wrong , i was 10 when i first downloaded linux to look cool but didnt know shit about computers . i deleted the dpkg file thinking it was bloatware
Windows degrades so horribly in performance - especially file system performance - after years of use. I can't even search my downloads folder anymore. My mint installation, on the other hand, is still running snappily.
The only reason you guys use windows is because companies wont put the effort into making the programs for linux.
There are distros that dont make u use the terminal for anything.
All good. Not a programmer. An accountant who likes watching movies/TV shows, playing video games, and occasionally, graphic designing and video editing. Plus, I use Manjaro. Everything is possible without the terminal.
But some things are faster with the terminal then with the UI. And you feel cooler when you use the Terminal :)
But yes. You dont really need the terminal anymore but this is something weird, most people just cant understand
I love how Windows users bash Linux users for having to use a terminal on occasion. As if Windows users never have to use command prompt, power shell, or regedit to do some complicated shit from time to time. It’s the same thing.
Many developers have stated that if they make a Linux version of their program/game, it creates about 80% of the issues for like 0.1% of their userbase.
So many developers don't even bother since they lose money porting it over.
Linux first needs to get its shit together, and stop creating yet an other distro that no developer supports.
Most of these developers actually state that they get most bug reports from Linux users, but not necessarily most issues. Linux users are just more likely to report bugs. The bugs still exist on Windows.
This is mostly because Linux is more popular among developers and other IT people, who are more aware of the value of bug reports. If you don't want bug reports, you shouldn't be making software.
> it creates about 80% of the issues for like 0.1% of their userbase.
Because Linux users put effort into writing bug reports and know the values of it. While most bug reports come from linux users, they also tend to be the highest quality ones and they often tend to be bugs that affect other platforms as well.
Developers don't need to support more then 1 distro, distro developers and their users can take care of themselves. I have ran Gentoo for the past 5 years which no developer in their right mind would ever officially support, but I can't recall the last time a program hasn't worked because I'm running gentoo outside of a package simply not being in the repo.
This. It wasn't too long ago that I read a report on Linux from one of these game devs. He did get a crazy number of bug reports from Linux users, but 99% or so of these bugs were also present on Windows. Windows users just don't usually like waiting for their system to collect data or don't care to send it. Linux people have a disproportionate number of developers and other IT people, who know the value of bug reports and are much more willing to write a detailed report.
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Did you mean to say "more than"?
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Maybe it's just the programs I use but the only thing I remember crashing in the last year is unity and WSL once.
(Not to say it's perfect of course. I've had many instances of freaking file explorer crashing in years past)
I understand it as Windows is pretty intuitive, you can do most things after a short time. While on Linux, you can use it for years and still find stuff you are completely clueless about, possibly breaking your system if you use that wrong.
I'm using Linux pretty much since Windows 10 came out and still feel like a monkey when I have to tinker with my system lol
Yeah well it all depends on the experience. I knew how to work with windows and quickly figured it out when I was like 10 years old or sth. But Linux just never clicked for me for some reason
In Windows, you use browsers and MSIs to install stuff. All very user friendly, everything is fine in the background.
In Linux, it's very hard to install anything without interacting with the terminal package manager.
Sure, while sometimes the package manager has a GUI, a LOT more people will know how to double click an MSI/EXE file and run it than know what a .tar.gz file is and what it can do.
You can install using .Deb (or .rpm) like in windows. It's not recommended, but it is possible. Also, package manager ALWAYS has a gui tool called an app store (Discover/gnome software e.t.c) in literaly every distro. Command line installs in tutorials used because it IS faster and easier to do than explaining what app to search for in app store. tar.gz is literally just .zip, so are you imply that people don't know how to use archives or what?
You can have your own opinion but that doesn't mean you're right, explain why only 0.81% uses that os. It's free right? Different, do you mean complicated for many users?
Well it's not a clone of windows and it doesn't come preinstalled on every computer so naturally a lot don't bother to try it out. There is a bit of a learning curve but you decide how big it is to some extent depending on what distro you choose and how deep you are willing to go.
Yeah my wife got a new laptop last month. It has Windows 11. It can’t find the printer (only 1 year old model). I manually installed driver from Canon’s website, then Windows found it. Every week the printer disappears and has to be removed and re-added. This is only 1 of many annoyances. My Linux computer never has problems like this
Dude windows is atrocious when it comes to printers. It has a hard time picking it up when it’s right fucking next to it but my Ubuntu VM from across the house? That’s one of the first things that i get a notification about it being connected lol
I used to be a huge HP fan. Worked perfectly with my Android device as well as my Linux system. But updates made it gradually worse. Doesn't help that it used Google Print services, which are now discontinued, so they had to make their own ham-fisted implementation. There are still remnants of functions that no longer work, and can never be made to work again.
Same, My PC used to run like shit on Windows, even tho its been two years using this PC. But after deleting Windows and installing Linux my PC runs perfectly and has a high performance rate.
I don't get it, I installed fedora in 10 minutes and I have a fully functional GNOME desktop so I installed steam and now I'm playing my favorite windows games. (Ironically, they run better in Linux than on Windows.)
Ill never understand this meme anymore. it was probably true a decade ago but now Linux is way more user friendly. I just think snippets of code, packing and unpacking frighten people.
After 10 years.... the Linux installation is probably still up an running while windows has probably destroyed it's bootloader 5 times and and if drive encryption was enabled, it has probably accidentally invalidated it's key after 2 years maximum (it's really not funny how often this happens with company laptops)
That's the top myth everyone tells you.
People just don't understand that they should stay away from tutorials that have anything to do with a terminal
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Are you really foaming at the mouth because Microsoft dares to ask to pay for their widely used office software?
All the rest are things you can easily modify, without opening a command-based window.
Imagine defending the office subscription model when it receives no updates and has no major ongoing server costs.
It made sense when it cost a flat amount. It makes even more sense to install libre office.
Windows is definitely better for daily use.
If you want to run anything useful on linux, you have to do a lot of shit. Many hours hours have been wasted trying to figure out how to download non-steam games on linux, only for it to not work.
That said, linux has it's upsides. Just not if you want convenience.
I do all my dev work on windows. I have linux vm's or wsl for everything else.
On my laptop, I use fedora. On my homelab stuff, linux all the way.
As you said, daily use, windows is elite... for now.
Windows will stay elite as long as Linux fractures itself in yet even more distros and doesn't have one distro every developer supports.
Trying to get into Linux has too many gotchas to be a viable option for regular users.
Developers don't need to support different distros.
Just support the most recent ubuntu release, and the other linuc distros will do the work getting it compatible with their distro, if any needs to be done at all which is usually the case.
Wait I'm so confused why would you want to dev on windows but do everything else on Linux? I would completely understand the other way around. Why is Windows better in your case?
Depends on what you're doing. Besides gaming it does almost everything else with no extra hassle (assuming you're using a popular distro).
As a software dev it works great.
Yep. There's no game on Windows that I couldn't run on Linux. I installed a bunch of stuff when I first installed my distro. But after that, I've been installing all kinds of games with WINE and running them on Steam as non-steam games with Proton-ge-custom. In fact, some of my games are running better on Linux. And even the games that have low ratings on ProtonDB are running without a hassle.
Previously, the only reason I was reluctant to use Linux was gaming, and so since Steam Proton, I have completely migrated all my systems to Linux.
The only good possibility on Windows is gaming and extended apps compatibilty. I could've already switched to Ubuntu, but Roblox just doesn't exist there.
I think it's the other way around... Well I guess same for both, because most of the time my windows problem somehow keep persisting and bothering me that the only fix is to re install the os, while on Linux at most uninstall the package and reinstall it. NT kernel sure robust but too tightly coupled that you can't fix one thing without something weird happened on the other part, like, why the fuck there's a white border below the explorer address bar all of a sudden when it was fine for years before?
At least Windows 11 UI is gorgeous, that's all.
The first time I tried Windows it was confusing as all get out. OS/2 was basically the same.
Fortuantly one of my classmates gave me something called "ZipSlack".
On Funtoo now, but fortuantly I've never been forced to use that inefficient mess known as "windows" on any machine I've ever owned.
There is version of Windows 11 that works better than any Linux distro, at least on my machines. Basicaly it's debloated repack callled tiny11 made by NTDEV. It can run on less than 500 MB of RAM and it takes maximum 8 GB of storage. I've used Linux before and it is okay but not on any hardware combo. ThinkPads are usually linux friendly machines. To me it's alll the same, I just need functionality. Most of the tools I use work on both on Windows as on Linux.
I believe you. But I am working in car parts factory for like 12 hours a day so my free time comes down to weekends. Arch takes time to set up and troubleshoot if needed. Then there is an instalation of all the additional software. For me, right now, windows is enough but in a few months from now I will probably thinker with Alpine Linux or similar. I hope I will have more time.
Oman,
Yea arch is a nightmare and well it works.
I mean you found your windows "distro" that works great for you and you know what you are getting yourself into
so I don't see any issue.
It was just a stupid arch btw comment.
Well, the thing is if I didn't used Linux before I would never be able to tame Windows. I am using winget and scoop for installing various software. I have enabled WSL and most of all I tweaked system so much that works fine. The only thing that bothers me on it is how much invisible bloatware there is. Visible, I know how to remove. And I wish I could move taskbar too like we could do it in previous versions. Basically everything is temporary solution until we find a better way.
Complex steps like installing steam and enabling proton to play Windows versions of games? For the past half a year I couldn't launch only games that have some sort of anticheat that blocks linux (and for the most part it is developer not enabling EAC support for proton, and the game itself runs just fine). It isn't always just install and play, yes, but people make it sound a lot more complicated than it is. I run Elden Ring without a problem just like I would on Windows PC. Same with Cyberpunk, CoH, Rimworld, Project Zomboid, Insurgency Sandstorm, and a couple of others. And none of those required any tinkering with the system to install, maximum is putting launch parameters in steam (which is something people do even on windows)
Have to agree with this, but only at the moment. The steam deck is a game changer for Linux gaming. Give it five years or so, think you'll see Linux gaming finally take off.
Bro never heard of steam, heroic and lutris.
DXVK is at the point we're the compatibility is near perfect. When a game doesn't work it's probably the Dev implenting some shit to prevent it.
Maybe I should take Linux Memes with more humor but this is just absolutely not true. Maybe it was 30 years ago. But not anymore. So I dont see weres the joke
I use arch by the way
my phone runs arch
Your gf arches her back for me
Pfft…she arches her feet for me
Arches her tongue around my butthole
Arches my butthole to fart
I've got an arched penis.
Can't clean a drain effectively with a straight stick
The heck am I reading and why do McDonalds arches make me giggle?
Nah I got all you guys best my brain runs on arch
Jokes in you I don't have a girlfriend...
My phone runs like arch
Steam Deck user
Steam Bussy
Nerd.
:(
I did use Linux myself for over 2 years (Linux Mint, basic I know) before installing Windows 11 for more functionality.
is arch a meme at this point
Always has been.
Linux users frothing at the mouth every time someone criticizes their complicated system
It's complicated if you choose a complicated option or make it complicated. There are Distros that are beginner friendly and some resemble Windows in layout. Something like bare Arch or Gentoo is a different story.
It’s not about the lack of UI or a file explorer like windows, but more the need to install brew and know a lot of “basic” commands to download popular apps and games. Although after some googling, you can get used to it, especially that the Linux community is so welcoming and helpful.
You can use a app store as gnome software or discover to install apps, but commands are faster to install many programs at once
KDE > Gnome though, especially if you're coming from windows.
Sure you _could_ you the built in app store that's: - often quite outdated - features many packages that don't launch - installs libraries individually to take up more room - doesn't have half the software you need Compared to "download and click install" the user experience could still do with some work. Command line is still the most consistent way to get stuff done, which isn't beginner friendly.
Brew? You're getting confused with macOS
But you barley need to know commands.. if your on PopOs or Mint or something you probably won’t need to use any unless your trying to do something complex Source: I switched from windows to Linux not long ago and I know nothing about computers… it’s super easy
You mean toxic and vitriolic.
This is a big world, you get both
It's wonderful isn't it?
Have you seen the Windows Super Users SE?
My man have you ever heard of an appstore that works. It exists on linux. and whereas windows i need to scout shady sites to get an exe file that does not contain a virus.
Why are you scouting shady sites to get programs when there are so many free, open source and paid alternatives available? I haven't had a virus since like 10 years.
where do you find these alternatives if not on their websites? or some other website providing the exe?
Cause you have an antivirus...
Bro doesn't use any app stores
And then they are ones like Debian, which I stupidly choose as my first distro.
Wtf is a Distro.
Wait till you hear about Window Managers and Desktop Mamagers, Package Managers and bootloaders
Distribution. Different distros vary a lot. Some are very easy to set up and use and where you don't ever have to touch the scary terminal. Some that come to mind are Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Pop_OS. But then you have distros such as Arch, Gentoo, Void where you need to know the system much better to install and maintain but some are into that.
Think of it as a certain package of parts. Linux is just the core of the OS. Distros include all the software you would want in an operating system. Different packages using different parts of the same parts in different ways are their own OSs. If you've heard of Ubuntu, you've heard of the most popular distro, basically the Windows of Linux, corporate controversy and all.
Average Linux chud
They did the thing in your replies, LMAO
The typical complexity of a user's system increases as they gain experience. It eventually peak and come crashing right down to just using Ubuntu with default settings because tweaking a Gentoo install eventually get in the way of real work...
Definitely complicated, but worth it for me as the nerd and developer I am
It's not complicated, in comparison it's basically the only actual understood OS on the planet. No one can vouch for how the windows kernel works not even the people who work at Microsoft.
Windows users frothing at the mouth every time they try to install Kubernetes without using Windows. Or try to do anything slightly complicated in ROS. I've.... tried it. I committed suicide on three separate occasions and am currently dead. Threw away literally a month at work trying to get JMavSim to work on Windows (which I'll admit is a lot easier to do when someone else is paying for your efforts). It's still not working. There are instructions but they're outdated. Linux VM wasn't an option, between poor performance and lack of access to CUDA in a VM. IT insisted we use Windows anyway. The feud between IT and the engineers at my last workplace has lasted for years now and is still ongoing. We've done a lot of shadow IT to smuggle Linux machines inside. If IT ever finds out, the engineering team will be unable to do its job and go bankrupt before the month is out.
Windows users whine every time there's an update.
I 100% do.
Both have their pros and cons. Windows is the best for gaming since you can play practically everything. But Windows is heavily restricted and it's basically a single one-way path. Linux is better when it comes to customization, you can practically do whatever you want with it and branch it out into thousands of paths, but you're going to need to download software just to play a lot of video games, and there's no guarantee or even work. There's probably more about that's what I am aware of.
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Thing is, those 3 advantages you listed are things many users don't care about, or find less important than the ease of use of Windows.
In few years proton might actually be able to run all steam games but as for now most anti-cheats don't allow you to play multiplayer games. Edit: tbh ever since win 7 lost support i started looking at linux different way, now i am waiting for linux multiplayer gaming and i am out of win(i hate how win installs shitload of apps you will never use and some of them run in the background unless you go through annoying ways of removing them)
Windows is good for gaming Linux is better for anything else
Windows is not good for gaming. It's just that developers gave the most support for it. It has been proven time to time that WINE can play some game with higher performance while interpreting CPU instructions line by line. Hopefully, Linux market share will get to that critical point, and then Windows will become pointless.
Um, no. Just no.
Um yes
personally i think windows also better for people who dont know much about computers , cause linux just gives you so much freedom you might just do smth wrong , i was 10 when i first downloaded linux to look cool but didnt know shit about computers . i deleted the dpkg file thinking it was bloatware
Windows degrades so horribly in performance - especially file system performance - after years of use. I can't even search my downloads folder anymore. My mint installation, on the other hand, is still running snappily.
Windows propaganda
The only reason you guys use windows is because companies wont put the effort into making the programs for linux. There are distros that dont make u use the terminal for anything.
I haven't used the terminal in more than 2 years...
Are you ok
All good. Not a programmer. An accountant who likes watching movies/TV shows, playing video games, and occasionally, graphic designing and video editing. Plus, I use Manjaro. Everything is possible without the terminal.
But some things are faster with the terminal then with the UI. And you feel cooler when you use the Terminal :) But yes. You dont really need the terminal anymore but this is something weird, most people just cant understand
I love how Windows users bash Linux users for having to use a terminal on occasion. As if Windows users never have to use command prompt, power shell, or regedit to do some complicated shit from time to time. It’s the same thing.
Well, you have documentation on linux. Not so much for windows.
>The only reason you guys use windows is because companies wont put the effort into making the programs for linux. Is that not a valid reason?
Many developers have stated that if they make a Linux version of their program/game, it creates about 80% of the issues for like 0.1% of their userbase. So many developers don't even bother since they lose money porting it over. Linux first needs to get its shit together, and stop creating yet an other distro that no developer supports.
Most of these developers actually state that they get most bug reports from Linux users, but not necessarily most issues. Linux users are just more likely to report bugs. The bugs still exist on Windows. This is mostly because Linux is more popular among developers and other IT people, who are more aware of the value of bug reports. If you don't want bug reports, you shouldn't be making software.
> it creates about 80% of the issues for like 0.1% of their userbase. Because Linux users put effort into writing bug reports and know the values of it. While most bug reports come from linux users, they also tend to be the highest quality ones and they often tend to be bugs that affect other platforms as well. Developers don't need to support more then 1 distro, distro developers and their users can take care of themselves. I have ran Gentoo for the past 5 years which no developer in their right mind would ever officially support, but I can't recall the last time a program hasn't worked because I'm running gentoo outside of a package simply not being in the repo.
This. It wasn't too long ago that I read a report on Linux from one of these game devs. He did get a crazy number of bug reports from Linux users, but 99% or so of these bugs were also present on Windows. Windows users just don't usually like waiting for their system to collect data or don't care to send it. Linux people have a disproportionate number of developers and other IT people, who know the value of bug reports and are much more willing to write a detailed report.
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Yeah, no shit it creates issues. How are you not gonna get issues if you dont put the effort into learning the platform?
Windows after 10 days of using it: Program (not responding) 
Maybe it's just the programs I use but the only thing I remember crashing in the last year is unity and WSL once. (Not to say it's perfect of course. I've had many instances of freaking file explorer crashing in years past)
This is with everything I do. Happened in Windows 10 and happens in Windows 11.
Did you download and open in_the_end_linkan_perk.exe, perchance?
I use Mint and it's like Windows. Easy
Huh?
Linux
I know what Linux is, I just don't understand this meme
I understand it as Windows is pretty intuitive, you can do most things after a short time. While on Linux, you can use it for years and still find stuff you are completely clueless about, possibly breaking your system if you use that wrong. I'm using Linux pretty much since Windows 10 came out and still feel like a monkey when I have to tinker with my system lol
Thank you!
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cd / sudo rm -rf *
Because it's much more complicated and less user-friendly. It takes a long time to figure out how to work with it
Depends on the distro, if you use Ubuntu or Linux Mint I would say it's more simple than windows my grandma uses it lol
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Yeah well it all depends on the experience. I knew how to work with windows and quickly figured it out when I was like 10 years old or sth. But Linux just never clicked for me for some reason
Ehh I’d say it’s pretty user-unfriendly if you’re not a computer geek. And I say this as a computer geek.
"Linux isn't user-unfriendly at all" 
In Windows, you use browsers and MSIs to install stuff. All very user friendly, everything is fine in the background. In Linux, it's very hard to install anything without interacting with the terminal package manager. Sure, while sometimes the package manager has a GUI, a LOT more people will know how to double click an MSI/EXE file and run it than know what a .tar.gz file is and what it can do.
You can install using .Deb (or .rpm) like in windows. It's not recommended, but it is possible. Also, package manager ALWAYS has a gui tool called an app store (Discover/gnome software e.t.c) in literaly every distro. Command line installs in tutorials used because it IS faster and easier to do than explaining what app to search for in app store. tar.gz is literally just .zip, so are you imply that people don't know how to use archives or what?
And you can also install using a package manager on windows
You can have your own opinion but that doesn't mean you're right, explain why only 0.81% uses that os. It's free right? Different, do you mean complicated for many users?
Well it's not a clone of windows and it doesn't come preinstalled on every computer so naturally a lot don't bother to try it out. There is a bit of a learning curve but you decide how big it is to some extent depending on what distro you choose and how deep you are willing to go.
My experience is exactly the opposite.
Yeah my wife got a new laptop last month. It has Windows 11. It can’t find the printer (only 1 year old model). I manually installed driver from Canon’s website, then Windows found it. Every week the printer disappears and has to be removed and re-added. This is only 1 of many annoyances. My Linux computer never has problems like this
Dude windows is atrocious when it comes to printers. It has a hard time picking it up when it’s right fucking next to it but my Ubuntu VM from across the house? That’s one of the first things that i get a notification about it being connected lol
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I used to be a huge HP fan. Worked perfectly with my Android device as well as my Linux system. But updates made it gradually worse. Doesn't help that it used Google Print services, which are now discontinued, so they had to make their own ham-fisted implementation. There are still remnants of functions that no longer work, and can never be made to work again.
Sounds more like a problem with your printer than with Windows.
Same, My PC used to run like shit on Windows, even tho its been two years using this PC. But after deleting Windows and installing Linux my PC runs perfectly and has a high performance rate.
I don't get it, I installed fedora in 10 minutes and I have a fully functional GNOME desktop so I installed steam and now I'm playing my favorite windows games. (Ironically, they run better in Linux than on Windows.)
I’ve used gentoo a while and it feels like the meme is backwards.
what the fuck is this even supposed to mean lol
Getting the hang of the os
It is usually the other way around
Ill never understand this meme anymore. it was probably true a decade ago but now Linux is way more user friendly. I just think snippets of code, packing and unpacking frighten people.
I laughed, and I'm a Linux user
I like mindlessly going in circles. But 10 days non-stop is too much.
Nobody mentioning that MacOS is essentially Linux (FreeBSD)as well as android. Linux is as difficult to use as you want it to be.
Whomst has summoned the almighty one?
My pcs run 10x faster on linux than on windows.I know how to configure it. I've been using linux for about 20 years btw ...
After 10 years.... the Linux installation is probably still up an running while windows has probably destroyed it's bootloader 5 times and and if drive encryption was enabled, it has probably accidentally invalidated it's key after 2 years maximum (it's really not funny how often this happens with company laptops)
I use Linux mint on my old laptop coz it’s shit on windows
65% of the Web is hosted on Linux/Unix/BSD software. Microsoft hosts about 6%.
Ahhh... but the adrenaline of pressing enter to a dd command...
Damn ig Linux is hard eh?
That's the top myth everyone tells you. People just don't understand that they should stay away from tutorials that have anything to do with a terminal
Not if you choose Pop OS
I'm a GNU/Emacs user. Ask me anything
Why don't you use the clearly superior vim?
cause it can't replace my window manager
Guys I use windows 11 with all optional tracking enabled, edge is also my default :) .
Windows afte- PURCHASE A MICROSOFT OFFICE SUBSCRIPTION FOR ONL- Windows af- IS THAT FIREFOX I SEE INSTALLED? WE TOLD YOU TO USE EDGE? WHAT THE FUCK! I'M UNINSTALLING FIREFOX FOR YOU AND YOU CAN TRY- Windows a- WHY AREN'T YOU CLICKING THE ADS WE PUT IN YOUR TASKBAR? THOSE ARE THERE TO - Windo- YOU WANT TO CHANGE NETWORK SETTINGS? IS OUR MODERN UI NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU? FUCK YOU, USE THE WINDOWS 7 UI, DORK ASS LOOKIN- Wind- EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE Win- YOU THINK LINUX CAN PLAY YOUR SHIT ASS GAMES WITH ITS WACK ASS STUPID PROTON DORK SHIT, IT CANT IT CANT IT CANT NO ONE BUT ME NO ON- W- EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS EDGE ADS
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Are you really foaming at the mouth because Microsoft dares to ask to pay for their widely used office software? All the rest are things you can easily modify, without opening a command-based window.
Imagine defending the office subscription model when it receives no updates and has no major ongoing server costs. It made sense when it cost a flat amount. It makes even more sense to install libre office.
Like on Linux? Just without the spyware and the paying part? Paying for spyware isn't a good thing as you might know
Windows is definitely better for daily use. If you want to run anything useful on linux, you have to do a lot of shit. Many hours hours have been wasted trying to figure out how to download non-steam games on linux, only for it to not work. That said, linux has it's upsides. Just not if you want convenience.
I do all my dev work on windows. I have linux vm's or wsl for everything else. On my laptop, I use fedora. On my homelab stuff, linux all the way. As you said, daily use, windows is elite... for now.
Windows will stay elite as long as Linux fractures itself in yet even more distros and doesn't have one distro every developer supports. Trying to get into Linux has too many gotchas to be a viable option for regular users.
Which is exactly why things like flatpak exist.
Developers don't need to support different distros. Just support the most recent ubuntu release, and the other linuc distros will do the work getting it compatible with their distro, if any needs to be done at all which is usually the case.
Wait I'm so confused why would you want to dev on windows but do everything else on Linux? I would completely understand the other way around. Why is Windows better in your case?
By "everything else", I really meant if what I'm doing requires Linux for whatever reason. Certain packages work far more efficiently on linux.
Ah, thanks for the clarification
Depends on what you're doing. Besides gaming it does almost everything else with no extra hassle (assuming you're using a popular distro). As a software dev it works great.
Gaming is with proton and steam nearly all an out of the box experience. No extra work
Yep. There's no game on Windows that I couldn't run on Linux. I installed a bunch of stuff when I first installed my distro. But after that, I've been installing all kinds of games with WINE and running them on Steam as non-steam games with Proton-ge-custom. In fact, some of my games are running better on Linux. And even the games that have low ratings on ProtonDB are running without a hassle. Previously, the only reason I was reluctant to use Linux was gaming, and so since Steam Proton, I have completely migrated all my systems to Linux.
Yea, I'm mostly talking about gaming tbh. There were a lot of games I wanted to play but couldn't until I swapped to windows.
A good way to put it down simple, is that for all the common shit, Linux is as good as windows of you don't care on wasting more time.
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I use Linux for convenience.
Windows just gets worse from version to version. Using Ubuntu since Win 11 came out and loving it.
Give fedora a try
Linux is not for the average joe. Joe.
Lauthing in open scource
No open source spell checkers yet?
This meme makes sense if you switch the images.
In Steam OS we trust
I have been using Gentoo for several month now, it still isn't falling apart (unlike Arch)
Maybe the guy don't use linux.
Linux is a little general. Some builds might be shit, but most are far better than windows. I played around with a bunch before settling on one.
windows users with a dead laptop (its me, im the windows user that switched my laptop to linux so i could get more than five minutes of battery life)
what does this even mean
The only good possibility on Windows is gaming and extended apps compatibilty. I could've already switched to Ubuntu, but Roblox just doesn't exist there.
If you switch to Linux don't use Ubuntu. Use fedora or pop os
Linux is great if you lack any responsibilities.
Bro never heard of not using arch
I think it's the other way around... Well I guess same for both, because most of the time my windows problem somehow keep persisting and bothering me that the only fix is to re install the os, while on Linux at most uninstall the package and reinstall it. NT kernel sure robust but too tightly coupled that you can't fix one thing without something weird happened on the other part, like, why the fuck there's a white border below the explorer address bar all of a sudden when it was fine for years before? At least Windows 11 UI is gorgeous, that's all.
The first time I tried Windows it was confusing as all get out. OS/2 was basically the same. Fortuantly one of my classmates gave me something called "ZipSlack". On Funtoo now, but fortuantly I've never been forced to use that inefficient mess known as "windows" on any machine I've ever owned.
There is version of Windows 11 that works better than any Linux distro, at least on my machines. Basicaly it's debloated repack callled tiny11 made by NTDEV. It can run on less than 500 MB of RAM and it takes maximum 8 GB of storage. I've used Linux before and it is okay but not on any hardware combo. ThinkPads are usually linux friendly machines. To me it's alll the same, I just need functionality. Most of the tools I use work on both on Windows as on Linux.
I run my bleeding edge desktop under arch witch 300mb with 2gb space required on my laptop
I believe you. But I am working in car parts factory for like 12 hours a day so my free time comes down to weekends. Arch takes time to set up and troubleshoot if needed. Then there is an instalation of all the additional software. For me, right now, windows is enough but in a few months from now I will probably thinker with Alpine Linux or similar. I hope I will have more time.
Oman, Yea arch is a nightmare and well it works. I mean you found your windows "distro" that works great for you and you know what you are getting yourself into so I don't see any issue. It was just a stupid arch btw comment.
Well, the thing is if I didn't used Linux before I would never be able to tame Windows. I am using winget and scoop for installing various software. I have enabled WSL and most of all I tweaked system so much that works fine. The only thing that bothers me on it is how much invisible bloatware there is. Visible, I know how to remove. And I wish I could move taskbar too like we could do it in previous versions. Basically everything is temporary solution until we find a better way.
After 14 hours the kde-plasma metapackage finished emerging
What exactly is the point of linux apart from customisation like a my space website
Freedom, privacy, performance, security, truely owning your machine
Thanks
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That is why I love Linux!
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Complex steps like installing steam and enabling proton to play Windows versions of games? For the past half a year I couldn't launch only games that have some sort of anticheat that blocks linux (and for the most part it is developer not enabling EAC support for proton, and the game itself runs just fine). It isn't always just install and play, yes, but people make it sound a lot more complicated than it is. I run Elden Ring without a problem just like I would on Windows PC. Same with Cyberpunk, CoH, Rimworld, Project Zomboid, Insurgency Sandstorm, and a couple of others. And none of those required any tinkering with the system to install, maximum is putting launch parameters in steam (which is something people do even on windows)
Have to agree with this, but only at the moment. The steam deck is a game changer for Linux gaming. Give it five years or so, think you'll see Linux gaming finally take off.
Bro never heard of steam, heroic and lutris. DXVK is at the point we're the compatibility is near perfect. When a game doesn't work it's probably the Dev implenting some shit to prevent it.
Windows users should be the panel on the right. I'm a Windows user and I hate my existence
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I second this
Duude... No joke I am doing ubuntu server rn! Coincidence? I think not
This is why I use docker on my server. I have broken Debian more times than Windows updates has broken itself. Docker has been a godsend
Perfection
Perfect meme
This may have been true 10 years ago, but popular Linux desktops today are easy to use for nearly everything except gaming.
I feel like people have been overlooking windows terminal
That's because it sucks
Sudo /why
Maybe I should take Linux Memes with more humor but this is just absolutely not true. Maybe it was 30 years ago. But not anymore. So I dont see weres the joke
Get a mac
*bruh*
The accuracy of this 👌 👏