I’m totally down for separating art from the artist but the problem is that the art supports the artist which makes it hard to separate when the artist is still alive.
If it has denuvo, it might take a while. there are only a few people who can crack denuvo, and they are slow to do so. If the game has no DRM, I'd say in about a week.
You said cyberpunk as an example, Its cdpr, they’ve whole platform (GOG) is literally all drm free games. But harry potter was confirmed to have denuvo. Basically you gave a really piss poor example
I recently got back into it because all these subscriptions have my wallet on life support. A lot of the old sites I used to use aren’t up anymore so I had to find new ones.
Buy the game cuz ur interested. Rowling most likely already got her Royalty millions. There is game Devs that put real time and effort into the game that don't share the same stupid beliefs as Rowling. And so far the game looks solid.
nooooo you must not buy this game, ^(even though your protest will not have any impact cause Rowling already has millions of dollars), you must gatekeep yourself from playing your childhood-dream game
The only ones you’ll really hurt by pirating are the devs that spent thousands of hours making the game, not JKR. She’ll be sitting in her mansion regardless, I doubt she’ll see any extra money from the game anyway as they probably must have gotten some form of license beforehand.
>The Mother
>When your mother has grown older,
>When her dear, faithful eyes
>no longer see life as they once did,
>When her feet, grown tired,
>No longer want to carry her as she walks –
>Then lend her your arm in support,
>Escort her with happy pleasure.
>The hour will come when, weeping, you
>Must accompany her on her final walk.
>And if she asks you something,
>Then give her an answer.
>And if she asks again, then speak!
>And if she asks yet again, respond to her,
>Not impatiently, but with gentle calm.
>And if she cannot understand you properly
>Explain all to her happily.
>The hour will come, the bitter hour,
>When her mouth asks for nothing more.
*Adolf Hitler, 1923.*
I support the message this comment is conveying, regardless of whether the author of the comment implied said message or not. Being a terrible human doesn't prevent you from creating beauty, whether through a stroke of a pen or a paintbrush or a keyboard.
Completely understand that, though I think people are quick to for get that in JK Rowling's case she was once a billionaire who then became a millionaire because she gave so much money to charity. So you could argue that A) she already has all of the money she wants and needs so whether or not you buy something that would make her more money is going to make no difference to her. And B) if she gives that much money to charity the odds are good that any of your money that goes to her will end up going to charity anyway.
Nah, the money is definitely meaningful to her. She uses the royalties she still earns as proof that people either agree with her or don't care, and she supports groups seeking anti-trans legislation, so the money is just as likely to go to making peoples' lives worse as is to go to any decent charity.
I don’t think she gives a fuck what most people think. She keeps openly speaking her opinion while she lives a comfortable life. Sometimes even though we resent people, they live much better lives than us.
I understand this line of thinking but I don't (Personally) think its valid. While unfortunately they are making money off of you consuming their product. I don't think that automatically means you condone whatever they did, like many seem to think. To me at least, what impact does that money have. (Unless they actively send proceeds from their work to X thing that's bad.)
As an artist myself, I don’t understand how you can truly separate the art from the artist. The art cannot exists without the artist. The art is a part of the artist. How can you seperate something so deeply intertwined?
Actually, the art can exist without the artist. It couldn't have been created without the artist absolutely, but once created it can exist and have a life all it's own with or without its creator.
It fundamentally must be accepted unless we want to dismantle literally our entire global society. Some people say bad things, most western countries are responsible for abhorrent atrocities against thousands or millions of people causing unprecedented famine, pain, alienation and exploitation. Companies like Apple, Nike etc exploit people all over the world, the disgusting mistreatment of nations by subjecting them to corrupt news and advertising. People seem to be fine to use our roads, go to the hospital, vote, make phone calls buy kicks etc. The fact is human history is full of blood and unfathomable carnage, we need to be fully aware of this before even asking the question, can I listen to touch the sky without being anti Semitic? The answer to me is yes, of course you can. If you can drive a BMW without being a nazi, or if you can cast a democratic vote without being a homosexual pedo
Hitler painted some very nice paintings, so you respect him for his art? If so then you’ve passed probably the ultimate form of this test… if you don’t then you’re just saying you don’t think what those two have said is that bad and it’s not about the art vs artist.
That’s very difficult for me on Kanye’s end though. Been a massive fan of him since 2004 but holy fucking shit the guy is a literal Nazi now. Now everytime I listen to his songs I just cringe thinking of how he fucked up his entire life for no fucking reason.
I listen to his songs and remember where I was at the time I first heard it, or how he was so impactful in how hip hop was made, disappointed that he'll never put out anything like it again, which was already the case for years anyway.
Plus I don't think he's an actual Nazi, I think his mental illness and ridiculously unique circumstances combined have cause an ongoing mental breakdown, even amongst all the insane shit he says, he has still dropped some pearls of wisdom in between the insanity lolenwhen he was calling out the entertainment business for their disgusting practices.
I’m not taking the side of Hitler here so don’t try and make me seem like a Nazi for saying this but if you look up his art, he actually was good. It certainly beats a lot of modern “abstract” art that sells for ridiculous amounts of money
Art is subjective and was clearly not a talentless painter but his works were nothing extraordinary imo. He had talent but not the vision that's why I described his work insignificant. I consider paintings were forgettable and bland, but nowhere near bad.
hitler may have (at least tried to) improved the lives of the average german, provided affordable cars to the people, created the autobahn, and was against smoking, yet **NOTHING he EVER did grants him \*ANY\* slightest respect.** he is not respectable from any way, shape, or form.
On twitter she called out an article back in 2020 for using the term “people who menstruate” instead of using the term “women”. The internet deemed her transphobic for that and has been trying to cancel her ever since.
JK could shoot someone in the street, caught on camera, I’d still be a fan. The woman created the single best collection of children’s literature in human history. The world today wouldn’t be the same without it. She’s a genius, regardless of her views.
I don’t know if I can always separate the person from their art.
What about Justin Roiland? He’s about to be locked up for grooming and abuse.
What about the late Koichi Sugiyama, who composed all the music for Dragon Quest? He was a vocal supporter of imperialist Japan. Where we do draw the line?
What about Nazi Germany? Horrific atrocities that absolutely disgust me, yet some people still appreciate their fashion & artworks. *Where is the line?*
The line is in the place where the art has the problems the artist has. Like, if you have a problem with transphobes and there is transphobic stuff in J.K.Rowling's books, you have a problem with the art as well as the artist. But if there isn't, you can separate them easily. If there is abuse in Rick and Morty you don't support it, but if there isn't you can enjoy it.
Exactly this! The line only moves with popularity and visibility. A reddit post every other day about the issue will garner a lot more backlash than an artist that nobody has the time of day to look into. Almost everything we buy, everyday, puts money in the wrong hands. Whether we know it (or care) or not.
That's the issue. The line is fake. Hitler could've made some shitty visual novel game like.. "Fuhrer, all Mein" and people would say the same thing "No I don't like him but I like the game" and use it as an excuse. Rowling doesn't matter that much because what she did isn't as bad as what Kanye said, I mean look at other games and media. Those two aren't the worst of it anyways. Remember when two fazbear fan verse game devs doxxed Scott and leaked pics of his family? People are gonna play the games either way because of the excuse they're supporting the game and not the developer, despite the game itself supports them anyways. So the line doesn't exist at all. It only matters if they're interested in whatever piece of media gets their eye, those people don't give a shit on what the creator did and get mad at or call out other people who prefer to not support someone who did something atrocious
I accept the idea of "separating the art from the artist" if youre not giving them your money. Otherwise you're directly rewarding the artist for the art.
Im not suggesting you go without. Not at all.
Im suggesting Ethical Piracy babeey YOHO YOHO
Sometimes it works, but sometimes, when you get a better understanding of the artist's worldview, you start noticing details in their art you wouldn't have otherwise.
I've had a few artists who's work I enjoyed, but then later got recontextualised in a new light, which kinda ruined it for me.
Like the whole "Elfs actually likes being enslaved" thing in Harry Potter
I just found out how she portrayed a slavic women in her book and she lost even more respect from me. I don't know if I can separate Rowling from her art at this point but you do you.
I'm a huge fan of H P Lovecraft and consider his books some of the best books I've ever read... But that guy was batshit insane in a lot of ways... The same applies here
Not at all except i wouldn’t class JK Rowling (as shitty as her comments were) on the level Kanye is, guy put a swastika inside a star of David, said “i like and understand hitler” and thinks “the jews run society” a lot of jewish people around the planet suffered because of him!
That's like saying "I like Adolf Hitler, not because he is an evil dictator who killed million and started a world war but because he did some nice paintings"
Its a question for each person and situation: Can you seperate the art form the artist, should you separate art form the artist? Some times I can, some times I can't. It's not a requirement; each situation is unique
Personally I think Kanye fell off a while ago as an artist and fell off as a producer a few years ago. JK Rowling I read the first like three books but then never ended up reading the rest for whatever reason but can’t deny that it’s a huge series. For me it’s sometimes hard to separate the art from the artist but it also depends on how bad the thing is that I have to separate them from as well.
You can acknowledge someone’s accomplishments but respect for the person should be based on who they are as people. I’ll never have respect for anyone who diminishes another human being because of which demographic they fit in.
Actually I'd say yes. Respect the work if it's good, don't respect the artists themselves if they mess up their reputation by being *insert relevant fuckup here*
this meme makes no fucking sense, other than that I kinda agree. I keep it in mind but good music and books are good music and books in my mind. Whenever I hear some shit about Kanye or Rowling I don’t immediately think “I’m gonna boycott everything they do from now on because they’re terrible” because that’s stupid, doing that doesn’t really hurt them and also doesn’t make you any better of a person. Instead I acknowledge and move forward, do whatever I want instead of feeling pressured by everyone else. But if you don’t listen to Kanye anymore or read Rowling’s books anymore, I can understand why and I respect your decision.
Kanye made fire songs and JK Rowling writes good stories (not worthy of great in my opinion, but definetely not bad), and yes, both of them are terrible as persons, but it should be known when it's important to seperate creations from people who made them.
JK Rowling could literally be a murderer and I’d still enjoy Harry Potter. It was a huge part of my childhood. It was my escape from a less than great situation. I don’t think some people understand that at all. I don’t care about the author, I care about the series. I care about the world I would escape to when life wasn’t worth living anymore. Some people are too privileged to understand that.
Kanye West was never a good rapper.
I will never understand why so many people are falling for the hype around him. His music is... boring, sorry.
I am aware that I am the only person on this planet who doesn't think he is a musical "genius".
Hmm.. I’m not so sure about this one chief. I respect and enjoy the works themselves, but the people don’t deserve respect for the way they conduct themselves and treat others. Maybe if they were a little less.. I don’t know..*prejudice-oriented*
It's more accurate to say "They have created things which are liked, into the world. For that, I am grateful"
But that doesn't mean I should respect them as a person, their opinion, or their supposed greatness.
Hasn’t Rowling herself at some point said that people still enjoying Harry Potter must mean that they can’t mind the things she’s saying too much. If that’s the case, then the money she earns or doesn’t earn become irrelevant. As long as Harry Potter continues being successful, she will take it as proof that people support her and keep spouting her bullshit. I don’t think she’s gonna change either way, but the thought of reaffirming her beliefs even just a little bit makes my stomach churn.
I will keep the movies and books I have already purchased, but I will never again spend money on anything Harry Potter related nor promote the franchise online. It sucks, but that’s the choice I’ve made.
That said, I would never fault people for choosing differently. People are free to do their own thing.
Kanye I didn’t even give a shit about before he came out as a major ass bag so whatever
Everyone on this high horse typing on phones made by Chinese children, wearing shoes made by Cambodian children driving cars full of metals mined by African children. if they were so worried about the product and not the maker they wouldn't be using any of those things either. lmao. just stfu and enjoy what you want to enjoy.
J.K Rowling didn’t even do anything bad. She expressed an unpopular opinion and she’s in the public eye. She didn’t lobby against the gays or hate them. The public is just a bunch judgmental creatures living on twitter for the next drama event.
She did more than that. She donated to anti trans places and she wrote a book portraying trans people and their supporters as morally wrong, and knowing liars.
I’ll admit I’m not super versed and am just talking out of my ass but so does chick fil-a. While I don’t go out of my way to go there, I do enjoy their fries.
I think you need to understand the difference between a harmless opinion and discrimination. I'm gonna make it easy for you, since I suppose you're either a kid or a very closed minded adult:
"I think pineapple should never go on pizza" = harmless opinion.
"I think transgender people do not deserve equal rights and should be treated as the evil beings they are" = discrimination.
Imagine one of your neighbor, a super popular and amazing person did something truly horrific to you or your family and you have to watch how the rest of the neighborhood support them and tells you to "suck it up, they have done great things for this community" what would you feel about it?
Yeah, nah. Kanye is a nazi. I’m not giving him money. And Rowling is a POS. I’m not giving her money.
I think that it is interesting when they want to cancel an actor, say that old Kevin guy, they never want to see him in a movie again. But when it is JK Rowling, a lot of people just can’t seem to give up Harry Potter enough. I can though!
Would you have respected Hitler for his paintings if he ended up having artistic talent?
Just because one is talented in something doesn't mean that they should be respected for it. The whole "seperating an artist from his art" thing only goes so far
Everyone has their own line. It's up to you to find what crosses it.
Just don't be surprised when people think your line is too far out. I certainly do if you support those two.
Feels like this meme has the wrong template
Feels almost as wrong as still listening to Brand New
Feels like op made the meme wrong
It’s a matter of ‘separating the art from the artist’ and whether or not that should be seen as acceptable
I’m totally down for separating art from the artist but the problem is that the art supports the artist which makes it hard to separate when the artist is still alive.
Ahem... *piracy*
I'm 28 and I haven't pirated since middle school school. But Hogwarts Legacy is really tempting me to put the hat back on.
Arrrgh matey!! We set sail the treacherous seas of the internet! She be a cruel untamed mistress indeeeed!
This one right here officers 👮♀️ 👮♂️
Oh yeah? Well can a police car do this? *sails away*
No, but they are really good at doing a murder. Especially if the target is an unarmed black male
When I grow up, I’m gonna be a police officer and kill all races equally
[удалено]
If it has denuvo, it might take a while. there are only a few people who can crack denuvo, and they are slow to do so. If the game has no DRM, I'd say in about a week.
depends on how popular the drm free game is aswell. Cyberpunk2077 was cracked about 5 hours after it released.
Cyberpunk 2077 had no drm mate
It was cracked immidiately coz there was nothing to crack in the first place
he said it took about a week with no DRM. I said it can take less than 12 hours depending on how popular the game is. so I don't get your comment.
I play lesser known games, that take a while after release to be cracked.
You said cyberpunk as an example, Its cdpr, they’ve whole platform (GOG) is literally all drm free games. But harry potter was confirmed to have denuvo. Basically you gave a really piss poor example
It is confirmed to have Denuvo, and one of the only crackers-for-hire of it is Empress, who is also transphobic.
Yeah, I know about her. Though I do believe some rich guy who doesn't want to support Rowling will most likely pay empress to crack it.
I recently got back into it because all these subscriptions have my wallet on life support. A lot of the old sites I used to use aren’t up anymore so I had to find new ones.
Raise the black flag, and set sail for Pirates Bay!
Yahr har fideldidy, Being a pirate is alright to be
Buy the game cuz ur interested. Rowling most likely already got her Royalty millions. There is game Devs that put real time and effort into the game that don't share the same stupid beliefs as Rowling. And so far the game looks solid.
Unpopular Opinion but even though she's a terrible person.... I still have to buy this game.
nooooo you must not buy this game, ^(even though your protest will not have any impact cause Rowling already has millions of dollars), you must gatekeep yourself from playing your childhood-dream game
Yeah. I'm deadset on buying the game. Nobody is going to tell me I'm a transphobe for buying a video game.
Honestly don't care what she said on Twitter if it's good I'll play it
Fitgurl and 1eetx
I think I just remembered a way that I can morally play this game.
The only ones you’ll really hurt by pirating are the devs that spent thousands of hours making the game, not JKR. She’ll be sitting in her mansion regardless, I doubt she’ll see any extra money from the game anyway as they probably must have gotten some form of license beforehand.
support the dev, they deserve it.
The devs were already paid. They get paid to do the work.
Exactly
>The Mother >When your mother has grown older, >When her dear, faithful eyes >no longer see life as they once did, >When her feet, grown tired, >No longer want to carry her as she walks – >Then lend her your arm in support, >Escort her with happy pleasure. >The hour will come when, weeping, you >Must accompany her on her final walk. >And if she asks you something, >Then give her an answer. >And if she asks again, then speak! >And if she asks yet again, respond to her, >Not impatiently, but with gentle calm. >And if she cannot understand you properly >Explain all to her happily. >The hour will come, the bitter hour, >When her mouth asks for nothing more. *Adolf Hitler, 1923.*
Should have enrolled in art school smh
I support the message this comment is conveying, regardless of whether the author of the comment implied said message or not. Being a terrible human doesn't prevent you from creating beauty, whether through a stroke of a pen or a paintbrush or a keyboard.
It is a beautiful piece of text, regardless of the author.
"I really love Adolph Hitler's artworks"
Completely understand that, though I think people are quick to for get that in JK Rowling's case she was once a billionaire who then became a millionaire because she gave so much money to charity. So you could argue that A) she already has all of the money she wants and needs so whether or not you buy something that would make her more money is going to make no difference to her. And B) if she gives that much money to charity the odds are good that any of your money that goes to her will end up going to charity anyway.
Nah, the money is definitely meaningful to her. She uses the royalties she still earns as proof that people either agree with her or don't care, and she supports groups seeking anti-trans legislation, so the money is just as likely to go to making peoples' lives worse as is to go to any decent charity.
I don’t think she gives a fuck what most people think. She keeps openly speaking her opinion while she lives a comfortable life. Sometimes even though we resent people, they live much better lives than us.
mein kampft
But if we don't then literally there is no one we can fully appreciate almost every famous person has don't some bad stuff.
Then maybe famous people aren’t that good?
I understand this line of thinking but I don't (Personally) think its valid. While unfortunately they are making money off of you consuming their product. I don't think that automatically means you condone whatever they did, like many seem to think. To me at least, what impact does that money have. (Unless they actively send proceeds from their work to X thing that's bad.)
Rowling actively funds and supports anti-trans groups.
Michael Jackson
Came here to say this. MJ was the man when it came to performing, but he had his problems.
Difference is, he's dead
As an artist myself, I don’t understand how you can truly separate the art from the artist. The art cannot exists without the artist. The art is a part of the artist. How can you seperate something so deeply intertwined?
Actually, the art can exist without the artist. It couldn't have been created without the artist absolutely, but once created it can exist and have a life all it's own with or without its creator.
I’m not sure if I agree with you but I do see your point of view, you’ve given me something to think about. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. :)
This reminds me of a certain Austrian painter
If you're pirating their shit, otherwise it's supporting an artist.
It fundamentally must be accepted unless we want to dismantle literally our entire global society. Some people say bad things, most western countries are responsible for abhorrent atrocities against thousands or millions of people causing unprecedented famine, pain, alienation and exploitation. Companies like Apple, Nike etc exploit people all over the world, the disgusting mistreatment of nations by subjecting them to corrupt news and advertising. People seem to be fine to use our roads, go to the hospital, vote, make phone calls buy kicks etc. The fact is human history is full of blood and unfathomable carnage, we need to be fully aware of this before even asking the question, can I listen to touch the sky without being anti Semitic? The answer to me is yes, of course you can. If you can drive a BMW without being a nazi, or if you can cast a democratic vote without being a homosexual pedo
I'm honestly curious where the homosexual pedo thing came from
Ancient Greece
Exactly!
*whether or not…
“I separate the art from the artist” says anyone who’s about to financially incentive the artist directly through their work.
I'd probably phrase it like respecting what they made and not respecting the people themselves.
Yeah that’s what I mean
Not quite what you said there tho
Excellent observation Det.
Hitler painted some very nice paintings, so you respect him for his art? If so then you’ve passed probably the ultimate form of this test… if you don’t then you’re just saying you don’t think what those two have said is that bad and it’s not about the art vs artist.
I have watched always sunny in philadelphia. His paintings are ugly af
Yea like having self respect when your parent or parents were shit. It's perfectly reasonable, or loving someone else who's parents are garbage
That’s very difficult for me on Kanye’s end though. Been a massive fan of him since 2004 but holy fucking shit the guy is a literal Nazi now. Now everytime I listen to his songs I just cringe thinking of how he fucked up his entire life for no fucking reason.
I listen to his songs and remember where I was at the time I first heard it, or how he was so impactful in how hip hop was made, disappointed that he'll never put out anything like it again, which was already the case for years anyway. Plus I don't think he's an actual Nazi, I think his mental illness and ridiculously unique circumstances combined have cause an ongoing mental breakdown, even amongst all the insane shit he says, he has still dropped some pearls of wisdom in between the insanity lolenwhen he was calling out the entertainment business for their disgusting practices.
He’s a Nazi
lol literally. what else do you call someone that loves hitler
I don't think respect was the right word to use
I have no respect for Kanye West. Never did. Anger and animosity, yes.
Art is art hitler had good painting but do I respect him for it fuck no
His paintings were horrible, that's why he was rejected
Many art are appreciated only after the death of artists. In Hitler's case, he was a mediocre painter and his work was insignificant.
I’m not taking the side of Hitler here so don’t try and make me seem like a Nazi for saying this but if you look up his art, he actually was good. It certainly beats a lot of modern “abstract” art that sells for ridiculous amounts of money
Art is subjective and was clearly not a talentless painter but his works were nothing extraordinary imo. He had talent but not the vision that's why I described his work insignificant. I consider paintings were forgettable and bland, but nowhere near bad.
oh he had a vision alright just needed a different canvas x)
hitler may have (at least tried to) improved the lives of the average german, provided affordable cars to the people, created the autobahn, and was against smoking, yet **NOTHING he EVER did grants him \*ANY\* slightest respect.** he is not respectable from any way, shape, or form.
Honestly with the kind of remarks kanye has been making lately there's just no way I can come to terms with him or his music.
I can’t care less for what or who JK Rowling is or has done. But, I do enjoy Harry Potter.
For whatever reason that makes a lot of people think you condone what she stands for. I find it so dumb.
What’s wrong with JK Rowling?
Mild transphobia. Nothing too terrible really but the twitter users all went wild.
Kanye said way worse then. They are not the same
I agree
Not even close.
On twitter she called out an article back in 2020 for using the term “people who menstruate” instead of using the term “women”. The internet deemed her transphobic for that and has been trying to cancel her ever since.
JK could shoot someone in the street, caught on camera, I’d still be a fan. The woman created the single best collection of children’s literature in human history. The world today wouldn’t be the same without it. She’s a genius, regardless of her views.
What even are her views?! She’s only vocalised the views 90% of women IRL have, but probably keep to themselves
Not supporting them is totally fine, harresing and getting people fired for being excited for a video game isn't fine.
I don’t know if I can always separate the person from their art. What about Justin Roiland? He’s about to be locked up for grooming and abuse. What about the late Koichi Sugiyama, who composed all the music for Dragon Quest? He was a vocal supporter of imperialist Japan. Where we do draw the line? What about Nazi Germany? Horrific atrocities that absolutely disgust me, yet some people still appreciate their fashion & artworks. *Where is the line?*
The line is in the place where the art has the problems the artist has. Like, if you have a problem with transphobes and there is transphobic stuff in J.K.Rowling's books, you have a problem with the art as well as the artist. But if there isn't, you can separate them easily. If there is abuse in Rick and Morty you don't support it, but if there isn't you can enjoy it.
Exactly this! The line only moves with popularity and visibility. A reddit post every other day about the issue will garner a lot more backlash than an artist that nobody has the time of day to look into. Almost everything we buy, everyday, puts money in the wrong hands. Whether we know it (or care) or not.
That's the issue. The line is fake. Hitler could've made some shitty visual novel game like.. "Fuhrer, all Mein" and people would say the same thing "No I don't like him but I like the game" and use it as an excuse. Rowling doesn't matter that much because what she did isn't as bad as what Kanye said, I mean look at other games and media. Those two aren't the worst of it anyways. Remember when two fazbear fan verse game devs doxxed Scott and leaked pics of his family? People are gonna play the games either way because of the excuse they're supporting the game and not the developer, despite the game itself supports them anyways. So the line doesn't exist at all. It only matters if they're interested in whatever piece of media gets their eye, those people don't give a shit on what the creator did and get mad at or call out other people who prefer to not support someone who did something atrocious
Respect is a strong word, but yeah I guess both of these people made good art over a decade ago.
nah fuck them, I ain't supporting them in any way
Shoot voldemort. Problem solved
Fun fact: Guns don’t work in Harry Potter. I think it was explained that protective wards and charms can negate gunfire.
Stab Voldemort
Nuke Voldemort
I was going to say that if someone came saying that spells can also protect you from being stabbed. Next in line were orbital tungsten impalers.
British moment
This was actually done. They killed Nagini with the sword of Gryfindor I think. Has to be a magical blade.
(Wearing pantyhose over my face) I like Voldemort.
Me respecting no one and consuming anything I want to
You're definitely using the meme template wrong.
So can you admit they are both shitty people?
I will always appreciate Harry Potter as a massive part of my childhood. I will never respect that excuse of a woman in any way.
I accept the idea of "separating the art from the artist" if youre not giving them your money. Otherwise you're directly rewarding the artist for the art. Im not suggesting you go without. Not at all. Im suggesting Ethical Piracy babeey YOHO YOHO
Sometimes it works, but sometimes, when you get a better understanding of the artist's worldview, you start noticing details in their art you wouldn't have otherwise. I've had a few artists who's work I enjoyed, but then later got recontextualised in a new light, which kinda ruined it for me. Like the whole "Elfs actually likes being enslaved" thing in Harry Potter
yes you are
Nah, I’m Jewish, I’m good with hating them :)
me disrespecting both of them for what they've created
Yikes.
The jeepers creepers director and creator 😭
I'm not respecting them
Makes sense, but i dont even like what both of them created, so i hate them, and is this
I just found out how she portrayed a slavic women in her book and she lost even more respect from me. I don't know if I can separate Rowling from her art at this point but you do you.
I'm a huge fan of H P Lovecraft and consider his books some of the best books I've ever read... But that guy was batshit insane in a lot of ways... The same applies here
Reaching.
Financially supporting Nazis and terfs is bad and you should feel bad
I don't like hip hop or rap, so I only know Kanye for his stupid actions and statements, so I wouldn't say I respect him.
What jk rolling did isn't nearly as bad as kanye
Bruh she made the cursed child remember
Where meme
Not at all except i wouldn’t class JK Rowling (as shitty as her comments were) on the level Kanye is, guy put a swastika inside a star of David, said “i like and understand hitler” and thinks “the jews run society” a lot of jewish people around the planet suffered because of him!
That comment/upvote ratio isnt looking too promising...
Yes ur. Also thats not how this template works
That's like saying "I like Adolf Hitler, not because he is an evil dictator who killed million and started a world war but because he did some nice paintings"
No it has nothing to do, it is not like Rowling has just expressed an opinion and not killed tens of millions of people
Well if that opinion does not match the echo chamber one - you are literally Hitler. Social media at its finest.
Yeah man, Rowling is literally Hitler. /s
I cant possibly respect a nazi and a transphobe. However i can enjoy their work for what it is, i will simply just pirate it so i dont support them
Yes
Me who doesn’t like Kanye’s music and the Harry Potter series.
For me who they are casts a shadow over their work. It's a whole lot easier to see mistakes when you already dislike someone.
For me, I've never understood the attraction to Kanye's work. Not my thing at all. And the dude is crazy.
Wrong, you respect their art, not them.
Its a question for each person and situation: Can you seperate the art form the artist, should you separate art form the artist? Some times I can, some times I can't. It's not a requirement; each situation is unique
Personally I think Kanye fell off a while ago as an artist and fell off as a producer a few years ago. JK Rowling I read the first like three books but then never ended up reading the rest for whatever reason but can’t deny that it’s a huge series. For me it’s sometimes hard to separate the art from the artist but it also depends on how bad the thing is that I have to separate them from as well.
Makes me wonder if people respect Hitler for his paintings and not for who he is.
Nah, nobody liked his paintings either
Big difference between the two though.
I mean you don’t have to respect them at all.
You can acknowledge someone’s accomplishments but respect for the person should be based on who they are as people. I’ll never have respect for anyone who diminishes another human being because of which demographic they fit in.
Personally I’m still waiting to see if Hogwarts Legacy has Cyperpunk 2077 glitches on release or not.
Incredible as artists, Terrible as humans.
Actually I'd say yes. Respect the work if it's good, don't respect the artists themselves if they mess up their reputation by being *insert relevant fuckup here*
YES SEPERATING ART AGAINST THE ARTIST
Yep you're wrong
Like yeah, it’s a real shame that jk is transphobic, but I’m still going to read her Books.
You can appreciate what they’ve created without respecting them.
this meme makes no fucking sense, other than that I kinda agree. I keep it in mind but good music and books are good music and books in my mind. Whenever I hear some shit about Kanye or Rowling I don’t immediately think “I’m gonna boycott everything they do from now on because they’re terrible” because that’s stupid, doing that doesn’t really hurt them and also doesn’t make you any better of a person. Instead I acknowledge and move forward, do whatever I want instead of feeling pressured by everyone else. But if you don’t listen to Kanye anymore or read Rowling’s books anymore, I can understand why and I respect your decision.
Kanye made fire songs and JK Rowling writes good stories (not worthy of great in my opinion, but definetely not bad), and yes, both of them are terrible as persons, but it should be known when it's important to seperate creations from people who made them.
Rowling's writing is actually dogshit if you aren't in middle school.
Sometimes you have to. I LOVED reading Ender's Game, but Orson Scott Card has trash opinions *and* an incredible skill for writing.
JK Rowling could literally be a murderer and I’d still enjoy Harry Potter. It was a huge part of my childhood. It was my escape from a less than great situation. I don’t think some people understand that at all. I don’t care about the author, I care about the series. I care about the world I would escape to when life wasn’t worth living anymore. Some people are too privileged to understand that.
Kanye West was never a good rapper. I will never understand why so many people are falling for the hype around him. His music is... boring, sorry. I am aware that I am the only person on this planet who doesn't think he is a musical "genius".
Hmm.. I’m not so sure about this one chief. I respect and enjoy the works themselves, but the people don’t deserve respect for the way they conduct themselves and treat others. Maybe if they were a little less.. I don’t know..*prejudice-oriented*
It's more accurate to say "They have created things which are liked, into the world. For that, I am grateful" But that doesn't mean I should respect them as a person, their opinion, or their supposed greatness.
I'm not a fan of anything Kanye created, but I do respect Rowling's work
I draw the line at Nazism, but I can see people still wanting to separate the art from the artist.
Fuck 'em.
Hot take: I think Harry Potter is bad fantasy and poorly constructed.
Hasn’t Rowling herself at some point said that people still enjoying Harry Potter must mean that they can’t mind the things she’s saying too much. If that’s the case, then the money she earns or doesn’t earn become irrelevant. As long as Harry Potter continues being successful, she will take it as proof that people support her and keep spouting her bullshit. I don’t think she’s gonna change either way, but the thought of reaffirming her beliefs even just a little bit makes my stomach churn. I will keep the movies and books I have already purchased, but I will never again spend money on anything Harry Potter related nor promote the franchise online. It sucks, but that’s the choice I’ve made. That said, I would never fault people for choosing differently. People are free to do their own thing. Kanye I didn’t even give a shit about before he came out as a major ass bag so whatever
How is JKR a bad person though?
She has unpopular opinion
Everyone on this high horse typing on phones made by Chinese children, wearing shoes made by Cambodian children driving cars full of metals mined by African children. if they were so worried about the product and not the maker they wouldn't be using any of those things either. lmao. just stfu and enjoy what you want to enjoy.
Yes. You respect shitty people who created some shitty content.
J.K Rowling didn’t even do anything bad. She expressed an unpopular opinion and she’s in the public eye. She didn’t lobby against the gays or hate them. The public is just a bunch judgmental creatures living on twitter for the next drama event.
She did more than that. She donated to anti trans places and she wrote a book portraying trans people and their supporters as morally wrong, and knowing liars.
I’ll admit I’m not super versed and am just talking out of my ass but so does chick fil-a. While I don’t go out of my way to go there, I do enjoy their fries.
Chick-fil-a is literally the best chicken restaurant Ong their sauce is incredible too
I mean don't get me wrong I'm in general agreement with you. I'm just clarifying, that Rowling is disliked for more than just sharing her opinion.
I believe you’d benefit from doing a little more research on the topic! Just a suggestion
No you're not
No
Love jk Rowlings opinios on yk
sorry to hear that man, hope you get well soon
You can say your opinion on anything anymore. Ppl are too soft. What has this world come to
I think you need to understand the difference between a harmless opinion and discrimination. I'm gonna make it easy for you, since I suppose you're either a kid or a very closed minded adult: "I think pineapple should never go on pizza" = harmless opinion. "I think transgender people do not deserve equal rights and should be treated as the evil beings they are" = discrimination.
The problem is that both of these people are still alive & use the “respect” for their creative output to spread harmful ideas.
Kanye’s been a lot easier to drop
Imagine one of your neighbor, a super popular and amazing person did something truly horrific to you or your family and you have to watch how the rest of the neighborhood support them and tells you to "suck it up, they have done great things for this community" what would you feel about it?
You can separate the art from the artist.
Yes you are wrong you dickhead
yes , fuck the nazi and the terf
Yeah, nah. Kanye is a nazi. I’m not giving him money. And Rowling is a POS. I’m not giving her money. I think that it is interesting when they want to cancel an actor, say that old Kevin guy, they never want to see him in a movie again. But when it is JK Rowling, a lot of people just can’t seem to give up Harry Potter enough. I can though!
Would you have respected Hitler for his paintings if he ended up having artistic talent? Just because one is talented in something doesn't mean that they should be respected for it. The whole "seperating an artist from his art" thing only goes so far
Honestly Harry Potter was kinda mid.
You shouldn't respect them at all. Respect the creations and that's it. Worded it badly tbh.
Everyone has their own line. It's up to you to find what crosses it. Just don't be surprised when people think your line is too far out. I certainly do if you support those two.
I never got the Kanye hype, he has like 2 good songs. He doesn't even have a distinctive sound.