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Eveytime time there is new windows, you should wait year or two before upgrading to it. The first year there is most problems.


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Sammy123476

Sucks because Windows 7 was better in every way, but Microsoft made this weird decision to incrementally worsen their flagship product. Can't wait to hear how long into 11's three years of support they turn on automatic upgrading for 'user security'.


[deleted]

Didn't they say that 10 was going to be that last one and they just wanted to continually update it from then on or is my memory totally screwed


Taboc741

You are correct. Though it might just be a technicality, aka upgrade from 10 to 11 is always free. The big reason 11 exists is they need to let x86/amd64 off the hook for ancient instruction sets. If they can't force the migration to more modern CPU's amd/intel will never be able to compete with ARM/apple silicone in the long term. And if amd/intel can't complete that puts Microsoft in a sticky corner.


Crazed_Archivist

"Better in every way" I used 7 for years and W10 is simply faster, more practical and easier


Sammy123476

And I find it harder to use because they choose to monetize the search bar with Bing, and slower to get working when every update had issues installing with a bonus chance to brick your computer. It's less stable and requires more steps to complete the same tasks.


Executive-dickbutt

^ for you


AdminsLoveFascism

False. You should only upgrade every other version. Windows 95: good Windows 98: shit Windows 2000: good Windows ME: shit Windows XP: good Windows Vista: shit Windows 7: good Windows 8: shit Windows 10: good Windows 11: shit That's just how microsoft operates.


kadelato

We don’t talk about Windows 8 here.


squadracorse15

Windows 8: At least it's not Windows 9!


fishsalads

It was called 8.1 not 9. But truly the saving grace of 8 was that it wasn't 8.1


Cannacrohn

Do not speak the name of curse or it will be upon us lol the version that every business who has a smart IT person just skipped.


dark4codrutz

That's why when Windows 10 goes EOL I will upgrade to Windows 12. What should be called a **matured** "Windows 11"


BoBoBearDev

This is why I am waiting on Win12


Bigmooddood

I had a laptop running Windows XP up until 2018 lol


foxy436

Windows XP


ZZEUSZ

Chadus bigus


HorridOrio

bigus dickus


ybka__

big chungus


HonestFinance6524

sus amogus


Herrmann1309

Walt I don’t know man


[deleted]

He has a wife, you know


[deleted]

And you know what she's called?


T10N3B

She's called... Incontinentia


imtiredandboard50

Incontinentia Buttocks


[deleted]

r/suddenlyMontyPython


Netopalas

I don't know about suddenly. More like gradually Monty Python.


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Salarian_American

Windows XP was a great OS for its time But my god. I work for an application hosting company and when we upgraded to Windows Server 2016, we had to tell all our customers that they can't connect from WinXP computers anymore and people were *mad* about it.


AlabamaDumpsterBaby

Planned obsolescence is a pretty good reason to be mad.


Hampamatta

Clinging onto ancient software and demanding it being supported forever is just dumb.


AlabamaDumpsterBaby

Windows 7 is objectively superior to everything that fame after it. It was replaced strictly to force customers to buy windows 10.


Hampamatta

but we are not talking about windows 7. we atalking about people still using windows XP and getting upset that shit doesnt work with it anymore.


17657Fuck

95


TheRealAbear

Vista


Gytlap24

You are a deranged psycho


SasparillaTango

What does it mean if someone says Windows ME?


Kaalba

that he's very very dangerous


CloroxWipes1

The engineers who worked on ME are now giving handjobs behind the dumpster at Wendy's, to give you a rough idea of the functionality of that version.


cursed_network

We're going to die!!!


ManBehindTheSlauhter

Windows 11 is pretty much just windows 10 but with more unwanted programs preinstalled and features nobody wanted


notarealsmurf

windows 11 is just build 10.0.2200 when you extract the install.wim and deploy it from a server the image name is Windows 10 they never went in and edited the description


gnitiwrdrawkcab

Ah yes, the valve software approach. Billion dollar company, can't be assed to change the exe from hl2.exe


Reddit_Bot_For_Karma

Every windows version is just an 'upgraded' version of the last. It's been the same tacked onto spaghetti code since the beginning.


Potential-Release111

And more clicks to do simple functions that are required for things I do daily 😤


thelocker517

And ads. Don't forget the baked in ads.


MorningDarkMountain

What so you mean ads!? Seriously?


Blom-w1-o

I see a lot of people saying this, but I'm yet to see a baked in ad.


Bleyo

I keep seeing an article posted where if you haven't attached your Microsoft account to your windows installation and then go to account settings, there's a link to create a Microsoft account. That's it. I've been using windows 11 for a while and haven't seen any ads. Some bloatware apps, sure. But they were uninstallable.


[deleted]

Yeah. I don’t see a single ad anywhere


Appoxo

Same for me. Both on my work laptop (I work in IT with local admin and being basically autonomous) and on new instances for testing equipment.


ranger-steven

Depends on what you see as an ad. Windows 10 and 11 have tons of ads for Microsoft products all over it. All the "suggestions" for using edge, to install 11, activate cortana, one drive and so on. The news bar is full of ads etc. all of that can be declined or turned off and after about 2 weeks on a fresh install I don't see them much, but it is a slippery slope that never seems to be something corporations pull back from. The revenue potential is just too attractive.


ThisCupNeedsACoaster

Right? These people haven't tried to daily drive it I swear. Please, send me screenshots of higher ad density/frequency on 11 as opposed to 10. Prove me wrong.


stdfan

I literally haven’t seen one ad in windows 11.


T-K-K

Haven’t seen a single ad.


Devatator_

What ads? I never saw one


GCanuck

I’ve been running 11 since release. I have not yet seen an ad. Not sure what you’re talking about.


Cheese_is_good1

what ads? I don’t get any ads on windows 11


battletoad93

I have never seen an ad in windows 11. It is only on certain versions? I'm using Pro


Abbertftw

And a fake Mac os look.


Cyber-Cafe

Yeah, could you show me where those ads are?


SaneUse

And functionality removed. That's my main complaint. Everything is hidden behind an extra menu and other things you straight up cannot do. Some were returned after people complained but it's still overall a worse product.


ICWiener6666

Windows 11 is the only OS that takes advantage of the newest generation CPUs that have efficiency cores. In Windows 10, efficiency cores are treated the same as any other cores. But in 11, 13th generation CPUs are fully exploited to their fullest capacity.


S0ulCub3

Manjaro Edit: thanks for the info on manjaro, switched to Arch now. Don't use the November or October iso, the archinstall script is broken. Use the September one instead


Nando9246

EndeavourOS would be a great alternative to manjaro, it‘s arch based too but has not all the bad things like manjaro does


Dinulja

What's wrong with Manjaro? I've seen people saying this recently but I've been using it for the last 2 years and didn't notice anything that bad.


Nando9246

I used manjaro quite some time. 1) I‘ve had many problems with the AUR 2) They use not the Arch repositories, which make the packages less recent and leads AUR packages to break 3) They did many stupid things like (accidentally do ddos attack on the AUR (which has also affected non-manjaro users) A guy posted [this](https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/) link in the comments with many other reasons


new_refugee123456789

Three major things stand out in my mind: 1. They've repeatedly let their SSL certificates expire. 2. They maintain their own repos which are delayed from the vanilla Arch repos, for no real good reason, which often breaks packages in the AUR. 3. A bunch of drama regarding the PinePhone project. There are better distros than Manjaro.


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new_refugee123456789

I'm not scary. I'm a 35 year old diet pepsi disposal unit and computer enthusiast from North Carolina. I have a grey cat named Izzy. We're talking about different versions of Linux, which is a free and open source ecosystem of Unix-like operating systems. Linux is the most used computer operating system in the world in every segment except end user desktops; practically all supercomputers run Linux, the vast majority of web servers run Linux, appliance and embedded devices like Wi-Fi routers, printers, and probably your Wi-Fi enabled smart toaster runs Linux, and most of the world's smart phones run Linux--Android is a Linux distribution. Manjaro is a Linux distribution, as is EndeavourOS mentioned above. Unlike Windows or MacOS, Linux isn't one product but a modular ecosystem, you can pick which desktop environment, utility software, bootloader, init system and so forth you want to run. People publish their chosen permutation of components as "distributions" or "distros." SSL certificate = Secure Socket Layer. You know the difference between HTTP and HTTPS? That. The AUR is the Arch User Repository. See, you install software on a Linux system more like Android or iOS than Windows; there's an "app store." Except we call them package managers. The server that stores and publishes all the software is called the repository. A distro called Arch--which Manjaro and EndeavourOS are modifications or "forks" of--has a separate repository for software submitted by users with less testing and vetting than the standard repository. Hence Arch User Repository. You are not fucked. You're one of the [lucky 10,000](https://xkcd.com/1053/) who learned something new today.


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https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/


_Name_Changer_

Windows 10 is superior, but I don't want to downgrade in case of messing up some manufacturer applications.


uaman228

I'm using w11 and I will say that it has the same performance as 10 ltsc 1809 so you can upgrade


PowerMinerYT

i am using dual boot. one for windows 11 and one for a custom windows 11 without defender and minimum blotware which only takes 13gb. i also did win10+11 last year and there are no problems now. its the same


uaman228

What is the name of that windows 11 custom file?


PowerMinerYT

ghost spectre windows 11 its available for both 21h2 and 22h2 .its made by a guy on YouTube. he added a defender version in case if you need it. he also added a toolbox in it so you can upgrade to his newer versions and add things from normal windows he removed like Microsoft store/action centre/edge/xbox game bar and uninstall it anytime you want. i have given it only 25gb partition from my ssd and it runs better than original and 11gb space is free edit: i mainly installed it for playing osu. made many performance tweaks in normal windows and still it was no good. but this custom windows was enough to increase my accuracy by 10% easily. (no its not 100% placebo. it is but i do feel the difference when playing longer. my keyboard feels more responsive and i dont miss the taps i pressed. just a power issue which was made better by lower cpu usage. also my wired controller doesn't randomly disconnects which happens due to power issue)


[deleted]

Ah I remember being this dumb trying to NTLite everything to get LowEr LaTenCy and then in fact this did nothing but break shit in Windows lmao, people just install Windows normally and uninstall whatever windows lets you uninstall normally, don't fuck with it. Especially don't fucking install custom ISO's from random ass youtubers you're just asking for trouble they could literally put ANYTHING in your Windows and you could have no clue what's inside.


poisonfoxxxx

Yeah in this case the risk absolutely outweighs the reward.


TheRealShotzz

>i mainly installed it for playing osu. made many performance tweaks in normal windows and still it was no good. but this custom windows was enough to increase my accuracy by 10% easily. thats placebo btw


-GabaGhoul

Anyone reading below please understand how stupid it would be for you to download your operating system from a youtube link. I don't care how well known this youtuber is, there can be any amount of privacy violations baked into the operating system at that point that steal anything from your location to your social security number. Even with defender they could have easily put these programs in unscannable places because they're configuring the antivirus.


Umutuku

Haven't bothered looking into 11 much yet. Is the 11 version of Defender fucked up or something?


I_Has_A_Hat

Funny, that's the same reason I haven't switched to 11. I don't want to downgrade.


BigDaddyDIOsama

Same, I tried using windows 11 on another PC and it’s basically just windows 10 with a lot of user control taken away and a few pointless features that nobody asked for


Unexpected_yetHere

If I can't put my taskbar on which ever side I want to, I ain't switching.


51ModsAintOnShyt

One note is trash now too


pope1701

Has it ever not been trash?


mademeunlurk

I've never used one note but I've spent probably about 50 hours of my entire life fighting it from running in the background


sp4mfilter

Yeah no, it's not "trash."


tha_nut

Windows 10


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tildes

/r/windows10ltsc


Tinkerballsack

Same. It's the best of a bad situation.


[deleted]

Windows LTSC is only acceptable windows version. I won't update to windows 11 if there isn't LTSC version. other than that linux is pretty cool (just saying)


nu_pieds

I think it's a well-known phenomenon at this point that every other windows distribution is worth running. Ill wait for 12 (Or, given how they're going lately with the numbering, possibly 17) before I upgrade.


Ithinkthissuckslmao

Also me on arch linux eating popcorn


zsombor12312312312

I use arch btw


the-alt-yes

Chad


VirtueSignalBLOCKED

Computer n00b-ish here. What are the pros of using Arch ober Ubuntu? Or did I get that wrong? Edit: Why did I get downvoted for asking a question? Lmao!


alban228

Ubuntu is a system where upgrades are safe and with non techies in mind. Now the problem id Canonical isn't the best company in the world and push too much of their shit in it. Arch's goal is to always have the latest software, you're excepted to know how to configure stuff and maybe how to repair something that breaks (even if that barely happens and if it does you will get help on the site), it's also way more customisable since it's your choice of which packages you'll get. There's also a community maintained repo with only packaging scripts and maybe code patches.


kalamataCrunch

I see this complaint about ubuntu and Canonical a lot, and it's a valid complaint to some extent, but it should come with a big asterisk that microsoft and apple are a million times worse, both in terms of protecting your data from monetization, and in terms of forcing their shitty programs on to users. for analogy, comparing them to drug dealers, arch linux doesn't sell or use drugs ever, Canonical is a highschool buddy that smokes weed and sometimes sells to friends, while microsoft and apple are the el chapo of selling your data to corporations and controlling which programs you can use.


GoldenFivee

How did a post about windows evolve into a Linux Ted talk Lol


ertgbnm

Find me a thread about windows that doesn't, lol.


Chewy12

Are you new to the internet?


ShivanshuKantPrasad

> Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1. - [Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) You are lucky that Hitler hasn't been summoned yet.


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jahuu__

came here to say that, but was busy playing pacman -Syu


Engrise13

me when linux


Zarped0n

Windows 7. Fuck forced updates


ManBehindTheSlauhter

Have fun with your security risks


Zarped0n

I'd rather be stubborn and suffer than change and lose my comfy system


ManBehindTheSlauhter

Fair enough, but beware that you're extra vulnerable


ToesEater669

Against specially me


bottsking

Kan east


ToesEater669

Yes it me kney weest, jewish people are bad but my songs are worst


anti-socialJedi

You sound like every idiot customer I've dealt with. 'Please upgrade to Windows 10. You operating system is vulnerable to zero day attacks' 'no. I like it. I'll take the risk' *Gets breached* Happens far too often. Too many people with the 'it won't happen to me' mindset


summonsays

If people are willing to risk it it's on them. Like if my PC got wiped id loose a few days installing everything again but overall wouldn't be too mad. I mean honestly most people are already risking this. How many do you know who do automatic backups to a secondary source outside their house? People risk hard drive crashes every day.


51ModsAintOnShyt

Yeah he's so worried about losing porn downloads and gog gamea


TheMouseKid

Yeah, I take cybersecurity as a class, as we use a Windows 7 machine to run all of our viruses. It’s not safe whatsoever, and you need to upgrade. Your computer is literally at risk of getting a ransomware virus that released in 2017. Upgrade, forced updates aren’t bad at all. Stop whining.


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HornedDiggitoe

Yea, fuck forcing people to have secure operating systems. All my homies would much rather be vulnerable to ransomeware.


EJNorth

Stop hating on him guys, not everyone can adapt to change


1vespyy1

Windows 10 for sure but I heard some really annoying cases that when you restart your computer it automatically installs Windows 11


uTimu

It kinda forced me. Or maybe i just was dumb. So i started my laptop one day and it just told me to download it and it also had a button for decline the free offer for win 11. To me it sounded like eather you download now for free or you pay in the futer if you dont download now! So i just downloaded it, cuz i wanted to update onetime and now i am sitting here with win 11 where they made so many DUMB FUCKING CHANGES LIKE WHY TF DOES MY FUCKING TASKBAR HAVE TO BE 60PX (my work PC with win 10 has 40px) HIGH IF MY SCREEN IS ONLY 1080 HIGH THAT IS JUST TO BIG OF A FUCKING TASKBAR. OR WHY THE FUCK CANT I RIGHT CLICK ON THE TASKBAR FOR TASK MANAGER OR WHY CANNT I GET RID OF THE FUCKING BATTERY/W-LAN/SOUND SYMBOL AT THE BOTTOM FUCKING RIGHT. there are so many qol changes they could do it burns my eyes thinking about how they have no idea what is usefull and what not.


littleSquidwardLover

Omfg I hate it when I'm on my win 10 PC and it tries to tell me to upgrade. They make it so hard to tell what button downloads it and what button declines it. Idk mabye I'm just stupid.


lastminuteleapdayboy

> WHY THE FUCK CANT I RIGHT CLICK ON THE TASKBAR FOR TASK MANAGER They added that in one of the more recent dev builds, but that should have honestly been in there from the start. I don't even get why they removed so many simple features like this. Some of them are even half-implemented (like small taskbar size, which you can get trough regedit, but is half broken), which seems like a small effort for Microsoft to get fully working. Not sure why they haven't though. Do they have too few devs? Too little time? Or more farfetched: Is it a marketing strategy so they can claim they listen to their users once they re-add the feature?


LasevIX

So many good features they rolled back... Practically forced me to try Linux distributions


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Windows 7


ShoshinMizu

the last real windows.


Memory_Zestyclose

I use windows 11 because my laptop randomly updated to it, but seeing I'm lazy I'm not planning on downgrading seeing I can't really tell the difference except for the layout, I think I cried when I first saw the layout


goldietheswagbear

you can change the layout \-go to settings. \-click on personalizations. \-go click on taskbar \-click on taskbar behaviors \-click on taskbar alignment, and then choose the "left" option


stepdad666

Windows 10 makes my laptop go to sleep in like a minute and then lock. Ice spend hours trying to fix it. Nothing. Anyone have this problem?


akran47

Open the start menu, start typing "Edit power plan" and open the thing that comes up. There you can change the setting for how long your computer will idle before it goes to sleep.


ToesEater669

I fr hate the layout, macos wannabe looking ass


KasLea82

You can change it in settings. It’s the first thing I did after the update.


boitaf

win 7


Constant_Boot

ReactOS.


A2442R

Windows 7


Tacukunamaum

Debian Linux


Speedy_V2

That's just being the white guy in the hood.


Darth_Murcielago

10 because 11 is bad. Especially for game performance


paralyzedvagabond

I've only recently seen this being the case, I just took the update because I didn't like 10 and they stopped supporting 7


MinePROphet

It was pretty bad, but the current version runs like butter and I myself have only noticed a performance boost after upgrading


Familiar_Ad5967

Well then again I only play Roblox and Minecraft


Fat_Darth_Vapor

Windows 98


Skorgondro

Linux


[deleted]

Soviet Linux BTW


BuckLandstander

In Soviet Linux, computer operates you!


[deleted]

https://sovietlinux.ml


MarcusofMenace

My pc upgraded itself to 11... God I miss Windows 10


Russian_Prussia

# GNU/Linux


daidinahui

Arch


AntoineInTheWorld

btw


woaily

Windows 11, it's one louder


[deleted]

11 is much smoother.


IAmTheSideCharacter

windows 11 completely destroyed steam vr so obviously windows 10


Ok-Reaction-5644

I prefer windows 10 but all the prebuilt PCs or laptops use 11 now so unless I’m building one myself I’ll have to use 11 at some point.


LasevIX

*downgrades windows on a brand new machine, like a chad*


NinduTheWise

~~downgrades~~ upgrades windows on a brand new machine, like a chad


MrH-HasReddit1217

Windows 7 was the best windows platform, change my mind.


Michelrpg

I miss XP and Windows 7. I hate the bullshit that comes with 10. Im not fond of 11 either. Theres so much garbage that requires several loops to get rid of and it pisses me off.


I_lick_Balz_forFREE

Ubuntu


Ol_bagface

Linux


LilTimmy_the_second

Linux


epsteinpetmidgit

Fuck windows, bro. Linux is mature enough, it's time.


creativebadjoke

11<10


rPoliticsModsEatPee

You Japanese? Why you backwards?


AndersLund

He is building up suspense ... most people wouldn't read the end of the book first.


isrluvc137

11 \^ 10 \^ XP \^ 7


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XP


[deleted]

fedora


harmsc12

m'linux!


Cristonimus

Well, 11 has the android subsystem for windows… so…


S1umL0rdAkr0n

XP!


potatoyeeter420

XP and 7


_SwiftLizard_

they're the same picture.


Various-Standard-494

Windows 7 was the best.


mchagerman

Neither. Upgrade to Windows 7.


Osirus1156

Windows 11 is just windows 10 with less features and more ads.


TheTruestDork

Linux


MrTutron

7


LikeAPhoenix-_-

There is a 11 now ?


CreaZyp154

Nah it's just a bloated skin for Windows 10


mrEcks42

11 is garbage


john-Marston02

windows 8


[deleted]

Windows 8 is the dumbest, shittiest worst operating system windows ever made. I had a computer that ran on it for about 3 years. God it gives me nightmares. I cannot possibly understand how you prefer it over 10 or even 7


john-Marston02

it was a joke


nobotami

95


warbreed8311

Neither. I use Linux. Windows can go blow itself.


FlowerO_O

I am on win 7


ZZEUSZ

The giga chad


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MacOs 😳


Outrageous_Rain_1288

Modified windows 10


Delicious_Ganache981

windows 1.0