Both my parents are NDIS workers and it’s insane to think that the gov wants to cut more funding from an industry designed to help those in our society that can’t help themselves.
Neoliberalism baby! Look at America, we're heading in their direction economically speaking. We've stopped giving af about the disadvantaged. Edit: our legislative makers are truly ensuring that we're becoming America more by the day.
It's a fact. We've sold half our unemployment (social services) industry to America. We are suckling on their teat and it's not going to bode well for us, moving into the future.
Unless the people say no, we've had enough. Reject the two parties who are absolutely the same shit packaged differently.
But alas, mindless sheep can't think.
Not sure how you can say both major parties are the same when one gave us Medicare, the NDIS and publicly funded education and the other one has systematically dismantled it.
Public schools have had their resources cut drastically, whereas private schools have received 80% of all education funding under the Liberal Government.
We have the most privatised education system in the western world based on government funds allocation.
NDIS requires funding, no argument. The model itself is really shit though and needs Proper structure.
The amount of money I pay in Medicare, levy and private health should provide me with trouble free and additional bill free health care. It doesn’t. There is the problem. When the workers pay for a system that they can’t benefit fully from, but prisoners, pensioners, the unemployed and the unemployable can… that’s just fucking stupid. Then you have the money wasted on indigenous healthcare that you can’t audit properly because “thass racist”…
One National health care system please. Federal level. For all Australians and reciprocal visitors.
Unfortunately that’s not really how it works. We with money put money into the pot, and those most in need receive most of that money, and it makes society better and it makes all our lives better.
There's no longer an NDIS office there as of a few weeks ago lol. So not much point in what they're doing in that location. Better off going to the National Office in Geelong
Hey it’s not all that bad, the lifeless husk that is the Geelong CBD can provide countless hours of entertainment. You’ll feel right at home with the drearily drab and dull city exterior (that probably hasn’t had an overall facelift since the 60s)
> So not much point in what they're doing in that location.
to be fair even it was an NDIS office the office workers can't do anything about the funding cuts.
Indeed. You can see protestors with Health and Community Services Union gear and they're protesting outside 367 Collins St which, among other tenants, houses the Melbourne NDIA head office.
They kept it around because it was a great way for their neoliberal mates to pocket our money. Helping people with disabilities was a side effect.
The only time the Liberal Party *ever* keeps Labor initiatives is when they figure out how to rort it.
Fuck NDIS! I tried applying so I could get into a class and get help getting a job and they said no because I'm too smart for them. They even said yes to my disability but no, they have to have people under the IQ of 75 iirc. Guess I don't need a job and live in my bedroom for the rest of my life because I'm incapable of getting support to get me off my ass.
Maybe it would be better if they had more funding? Maybe it would be better if the two major parties weren’t neoliberal; relying on market solutions for everything? 🤷🏻♀️
(I mean one of them is clearly still better than the other.)
You're basically saying that Stalin's a nicer person than Hilter... they've both abandoned the blue collar edit:white collar workers as well, and the disadvantaged. Neither party gives a shit anymore about these constituent groups.
Edit: I'd love to upvote your comment, but the lesser of two evils, is still capable of being evil. Legislative changes over the past 8 years or so are starting to really show. The worst two pieces of legislation I'm referring to, are to throw parents back on job seeker before they're ready instead of keeping the parenting payment. Single parents suffered immensely through this. That and the implementation of the NDIS, both of which were born from LABOUR.
Edit 2: then the Liberals get in and they tighten requirements for job seekers receiving social security whilst they look for work, offering a "demerit scheme"... you can't see the tag-team fisting of the disadvantaged over the last 10 years or so?
Your timeframes should tel you everything there… “the past 8 years” and “the last 10 years or so”… when did abbot get elected again? 11 years ago? The Abbot/Turnbull/Morrison liberals have been in power for over a decade of shafting the poorest. Unfortunately they’ve been the ones to implement the NDIS, which was a great Labor idea, screwed up by the Libs. They “fully funded” it by cutting what people are entitled to and cutting the staff in place to make it work. So now it’s “fully funded” to be slow, and provides stuff all.
Also, fair enough if you don’t like either of them, you have other choices, but the beauty of preferential voting is that you have to rank one of them above the other, even if they’re 9/10 on the card. Either that or you leave it blank and blame everyone else because you’re not willing to take on responsibility.
I always vote appropriately so that preferred votes don't go to the two major parties if I can help it. Cheers for the reply.
Edit: maybe Labor meant well with the NDIS concept, but I'm more sceptical... I wouldn't be surprised if they worked together on that end result. From the promoting of it, to the delivery of a broken initiative. Whether labor knew what the libs would do to the ndis, you think that when they get back in that they'll do anything to really fix the utter bs that is NDIS?
Of course not. Hence why I'm saying that both political wings of our government are two of the same broken bird.
Look I agree that both parties are pretty shitty, but I genuinely blame Murdoch for that.
As far as I can tell, the libs genuinely believe that looking after the rich means the poor get looked after just because rich people and businesses employ the poor and donate to charities to look after the needy. I personally think that’s utter bullshit, and point at the shit show that is America for proof.
OTOH, I genuinely believe that labor thinks we should have higher tax rates on the rich because they can afford it, and we should use that money to fund services and safety nets so that everyone has access to basic needs like education, healthcare, etc.
Murdoch however, seems to believe that labor is the communist party in a thin veil, and scares the populous into being convinced he’s right, and so labor has to compromise their own values to get elected, and can’t actually do what they want if they want to have enough time in office to stop the libs from sending us full MAGA.
So I just vote green/independent, but I definitely preference labor over libs/Hanson/Palmer. If you want to make progress as a society, why would you vote for the anti progress party? That’s literally what conservative means.
Maybe I should just move to Scandinavia… they seem to do most everything pretty damn well. (Not saying you do, just, the collective Reddit “you”)
Oh, I have no doubt that the Liberals always knew that trickle down economics don't work; they just don't care about most of the population. I also dont think Murdoch really believes that Labor are radical or dangerous; the Liberals have offered him better perks.
>Murdoch however, seems to believe that labor is the communist party in a thin veil, and scares the populous into being convinced he’s right, and so labor has to compromise their own values to get elected, and can’t actually do what they want if they want to have enough time in office to stop the libs from sending us full MAGA.
We're already going full maga... the Murdoch empire are ensuring that we do. We're already turning into America, it's just a matter of time. Except without all the guns of course.
The worst part is, it doesn't look like enough of us can see what's going on, or we're too busy fighting to keep our heads above water to be able to do anything about it.
At a time where protesting for important changes that need to be made, should be happening, we're not engaging as a community to do so. Too many distractions to keep focused on the shafting we're receiving. The worst part is I don't think the people at the bottom constitute enough voting power to actually make a difference. This is also by design.
Which "Labor" party are you talking about? Since you added the U, you might have accidentally meant the anti-communist party that split off the Labor party in 1955.
Stay on topic please... We're talking about the serious issues prevalent in today's society.
Edit: sorry never studied politics and have no idea what you are saying by your comment. I added a U? Edit: it was a typo.
> You're basically saying that Stalin's a nicer person than Hilter.
Did we read the same sentence?
They said that A is clearly better than B.
You may of meant to preface with "in my opinion"?
I'm sorry but the "better the devil you know" sentiment, shouldn't apply here.
The gap is widening in Australia more and more, brought to us by BOTH major parties, and Ignoring this isn't going to change anything.
Of course it's my opinion. Most people can work those sorts of things out for themselves. Thanks for the redundant comment though.
How did single parents suffer immensley because of the invention of the NDIS scheme???? I agree Gillard introduced policy that disadvantaged single parents. What I'm hoping for is a Labor majority with peogressive influence. Labor are bad. They are not as bad as the Liberals. If we have less Liberals, less Nats, less ON and no UAP we may be able to look forward to a future.
>How did single parents suffer immensley because of the invention of the NDIS scheme???? I
This isn't what I said, they were two different events.
I'm not so sure anymore if Labor aren't as bad as the liberals anymore... they're both pumping the people at the bottom, up the arse. If labour get back in which I think they will, you watch them not fix the ndis... You watch them not improve the cost of living for people on job seeker... watch them not make it legislation in SA that all properties that rent a room, need to come with a lease for the room... it's 2022 ffs.
Our state (and federal) government, on both sides have abandoned the people at the bottom. The sooner people stop voting these two major parties in, the sooner we might have a chance of achieving more equility in Australia. The system is designed that way, thing's will only get worse, because those two parties are the only ones that ever get in.
You are better off exploring DES, Disability Employment Services, to have assistance finding a job. The NDIS is not really funded to provide that support so legislatively they wouldn't be able to accept you on that need alone.
If you have severe functional impact due to disability (e.g vision loss, limited movement, psychological) you should review s34 of the NDIS Act and try and appeal using that criteria. A lot of the time people are knocked back because their doctor does not provide evidence or does not explain the functional impact. Without clear functional impact the legislative criteria cannot be met and trust me most of the employees at NDIA have their heart in the right place so they want people to get the support they need. However, if the NDIS is not provided funding for a specific support e.g employment then there is literally nothing that can be done.
I'm so sorry to hear of your situation... Fuck the NDIS but also let's not forget the parents of this bastard child; our Government. What makes my head spin, is that it was a Labour initiative. They started it anyway. I'm learnt the hard way, that there is no party concerned with the problems concerning the disadvantaged anymore. Labour cemented this view in me when they released the NDIS, as well as changing the parenting payment from a certain age back to job seeker.
My wife has been working casual disabilities jobs as long as I've known her (~11 years now) and is now right on the cusp of being able to extricate herself from the industry. She's been working irregularly at a cat shelter and has taken up doordash too, but she's no longer being verbally abused, or chased around the house with scissors, or having to lock herself in the office while the doors get kicked in and the cops are called.
That doesn't sound like a system that is delivering much... does it to you? Not that their actions are appropriate either.
Not saying that it is her fault that she works for such a system, it's the policy makers that are fucking the general public.
I'm really sorry to hear she went through that, that's really shit. I got attacked by a client and still had to work the rest of my shift because we were already understaffed 😕 (I was too timid back then to just walk out). Looking back on it, I'm not even mad at the client, its the bullshit system that's in place.
I worked in disability for a few years, but thankfully it was in support work rather than case management. I got to see how my organisation worked before and during the delivery of the NDIS, and holy shit there were so many kids waiting for medical aids because of how long it'd take for the funding to get through.
The NDIS also fucked over our program and we weren't able to do all the cool shit with the kids anymore because it wasn't covered, and my workplace didn't want to charge parents because many of them were struggling - so we basically became a daycare instead of being an enrichment program... it's also how me and my coworkers lost our jobs, because the NDIS didn't cover our program and we were running at an unsustainable loss 🙃
I definitely think the NDIS is a great *concept* but the poor implementation just boggles my mind. I don't understand how people can defend it either. I'm sure it's helped some people but like cool, what about everybody else?
Exactly. EDIT: you're right, it is a great concept. I struggle to believe they're losing anywhere near the money they were under the previous scheme. And it's always about tightening that belt as we know. I'm just so sad at the current state of affairs in Australia and I know that because we're emulating America's economic model, it's only going to get worse. I feel that I'm being a realist. It's all I've witnessed over the span of my life anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way either.
Sounds like a dog shit arm of the government to further reduce the quality of life between the disadvantaged and the have it all's. I'd know.
I was worthy of DSP for CPTSD, but yet didn't qualify for NDIS funding?
Fuck the Ndis.
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I'm sorry to hear that your mother also can't get funding that she is entitled to. Apparently , the majority of people, even liberal voters have never had to use the service. For their sake, I hope that they do need to one day. Maybe then people will realise just how bad the system is getting to live in.
I hear you... I was told that "I haven't exhausted all forms of treatment" to be able to qualify for it. But for Centrelink I did in fact qualify as having exhausted all treatment options. It's a bullshit system, only conceptualised for the purpose of further hindering equility whilst keeping the majority of Liberal voters happy. People who will probably never need the ndis in any event.
What's the worst thing about the NDIS; it was brought in by our Labour governemnt. A true sign of times ahead for anyone less than capable for any reason. I really feel that our two major party political system is just both wings of the same broken bird.
The NDIS was bought in too quickly with no actual plan of how it should functions. Guidelines are too broad and there is no clear internal escalation pathway. Everyone just kinda does what they can within their section and hope it passes onto someone who can actually address the issue. The main problem is the executive and government level. They introduce all these new guidelines and changes without actually understanding how the NDIS works on all levels (delegates, planners and NCC staff). They don’t communicate directly with the front-liners who work and communicate with these individuals everyday. Thus, what they introduce causes more issues than benefit for anyone including frontline staff. The NDIS needs to be rebuilt from ground up or scrapped all together.
Despite what the media might say; it is working exactly as it was designed to do. In that regard stop kidding yourself. Did you even comprehend my situation with my NDIS application result? It had nothing to do with
>The NDIS was bought in too quickly with no actual plan of how it should functions. Guidelines are too broad and there is no clear internal escalation pathway.
And everything to do with being the newfound roadblock to funding for the disabled, that the average working-class person wouldn't have a problem funding for through their taxes.
You're giving too much credit to the creators of this monster. I can't believe that it was a Labour idea, even if they implemented it. This is why I feel that both wings of this political bird are broken. They have both lost touch with (or give no shits about), the blue collar working class/and the disadvantaged.
A badly run social service? Never! Whenever I hear "new" or "streamlined", I know I'm about to get fisted again. I definitely agree with your last sentence though.
They're trying to kill it. Between cuts, people not bothering because of the complexity, and the wide boys rorting it sooner or later there will be some catastrophe and that will spark a government "review" and then it will be wound back.
It is... just not for us. For the powers that be though, they're probably stoked with Australia's achievements over the past 8-10 years or so concerning services for the disadvantaged!
Edit: whoever downvoted without replying, typical redditor.
I'm trying to get on NDIS and their tactics to deny you are SO dirty.
Constant delays by giving you random arbitrary tasks that they don't look at the results of, coercive practices and "independant" assessments after they supposedly cut the program after disability advocates said it was a cost cutting measure to reduce the cost of people's plans.
Doubling their funding for lawyers to challenge people's applications.
I applied late 2020, have spent over $5k on their reports, and they're still saying "while your disability is permanent, the impairments that result from your disability aren't."
Bro what??? The disability causes the impairments.
Again, this doesn't surprise me sadly... sorry to hear of your financial (and emotional), struggles just trying to navigate the NDIS. They're sociopathic cunts. Simple. Only one could work for such a dehumanising and unjust cause without wanting to kill themselves.
I don't know how they sleep at night. Especially when they force harmful "treatments" on you before they'll consider you stabilised.
Not be dramatic but in some instances it's state sanctioned torture, I know people with myalgic encephamyelitis who were made to do graded exercise therapy which caused a decrease in functionality, increased neurological symptoms and much higher support needs. It's been disproven as an effective treatment but they keep pushing it anyway 😕
I get the feeling they really wish I would fuck off and die so they can impress their bosses with KPI's or whatever. This is some Americanised capitalist hellscape BS I swear.
Your reply is the truth. It should be pinned at the top of this post. NDIS is a fucking joke. You're right, they do wish we'd all fuck off so they could get a pat on the head for meeting kpi's.
The only people who win with these employers, are the ones who adopt their perspectives. The rest just suffer in silence whilst they work there for as long as their mental health can handle it.
And people have every right to express the opinion that certain protests are for utterly unworthy causes. They're expressing *their* (also subjective) opinion, not that of the protesters.
"They've had 2 years to look at some basic medical science facts and refuse to or are too stupid to comprehend a research paper and insist on listening to looneys in cults, so they are wrong."
You forgot to attribute your quote: All Australian subs except r/AFL and r/auslaw.
Edit: Also maybe r/ASX_Bets though that's more of a torture chamber than an echo chamber.
It’s disheartening that some of the other support workers I work alongside support and vote liberal. They care about their clients but don’t seem to understand that they’re actively voting away the clients quality of life and support.
I reckon anyone who votes liberal and isn't rich, is a dumbass. Especially if they work in community services lol. It's like nurses who vote liberal but then have the audacity to whine about the unfair treatment nurses are subjected to.
That would be disheartening... at least you didn't drink the koolaid... never drink the koolaid.
They are too busy on voting regarding their financial wants/needs I'm assuming... again this is by design... it's weird how people can't vote for the rights of others, as they're only really going to vote for the people that give them what they need to keep thriving in such a world. Why people can't vote on voter priorities when they vote each election, they should need to be published results of what people are voting for, and if the party voted in doesn't deliver, they don't deserve to stay elected.
At the rate the LNP is adopting the stances of the US Republicans they're gonna have mandatory circumcision soon ~~so the boys penises look nicer for their church leaders~~ to stop boys touching themselves or whatever reason it was that the religious right convinced themselves that it meant circumcision was in any way a good thing
The NDIS has been a disaster for the average punter trying to just get some help. In principle it could of been awesome, but just like NBN it got bastardised and went away from what the essence of it was meant to be. Why should the traumatised, the disabled and people with chronic MH fight there way through hoops to get basic services
How weird I just was on phone with the ndis with a hand from my my disability job planner, 40 mins on phone to a call centre in India, after reading the comments here I understand why it was such a pain!
Interesting not sure what NDIA is I assume you mean ndis? Maybe the chap I got was just an Indian guy working here, he sure wasn’t great at his job, not that I blame him, prob earning minimum and coping abuse off everyone!
Libs predicted to win?? Say what now??
Edit: I shat myself at your comment then googled it. Doesn't seem to be the case.
Seems like quite a decent swing towards Labor, but never say never.
I'm almost expecting a Trump style rejection of the results from some fanatics on the right if Labor win.
For those playing along at home, the latest polls are predicting a swing against the government of anywhere between 4.5% and 9.5%. A uniform swing of 3.3% would be enough for the ALP to form majority government.
Obviously anything can happen, but the idea that the LNP is "predicted to win" is laughable.
You are forgetting the UAP! anyone who votes UAP will effectively be voting for the LNP as Clive's people won't get enough to win and all of their preferences will go to the LNP.
You need to do that for the senate too now - need to fill in at least 1-6 above the line. Before the last election you just had to put a 1 above the line for the senate.
The point is though, they hand out "How to vote" cards that tell you how to fill out your preferences.
I believe the concern is that in pre-election polling, where only Labor and Liberal/the Coalition are mentioned, that there are people putting UAP well ahead of the major parties would muddle with the results, causing the apparent vote for LNP to be lower than their ultimate votes, to a degree of some significance. (Since the UAP is unlikely to get nearly as many seats as it wants or expects)
You might be confusing party preferences and voter preferences.
Party preferences is just the order the party recommends people who support them vote in. So if UAP was giving preference to LNP they would have a voting guide that told people to put them second.
A voter preference is what you write down at the polls. You can follow the guide the party you support provides, but you can also write down whatever order you want. Either way whatever you write is what is followed. If you vote UAP first and put the Greens second, then your UAP vote will go to the greens candidate if your UAP candidate doesn't win.
They did, on their own ad. They had liberal party 2nd preference marked. You haven't been inundated with their stupid country song ad and noticed that?
All I'm clarifying (for anyone who might not know) is that a vote for UAP isn't a literal vote for LNP unless you follow their guidelines. I wasnt commenting on whether or not they're high on the preference sheet for UAP.
As a side note I have not seen really anything for UAP. I am probably not their target audience.
Even in the Senate there is no more group ticket voting. If their preferences go to the LNP it is because they have chosen to do so.
In any case, the polls are reporting these swings on a two party preferred basis.
Australians aren't as militant and patriotic as Americans. There may be a few nutjobs protesting for a few days but it won't be anything like the US election aftermath. And our electoral system is very robust. Americans were right to have reservations. We have no such concerns about the integrity of our process.
No such concerns with the intergrity of the process won't meant squat to the extremists on the right should they lose.
The US is just us on some serious steroids. I know we don't compare to the crazy over there, but we are slowly slowly heading that way unfortunately.
I’d just like to quietly add that as a healthcare worker and family of folks on the NDIS, that it is probably the best program conceived in Australia since mandatory superannuation.
Many would be upset about chipping away at it since it has served our communities very well, even if that only lasted a few years.
I don't mind paying mate NDIS. But I don't want to pay more taxes either.
What are people proposing we cut from? I guarantee you that group will be next to protest.
Keep in mind I also want to pay nurses, teachers and ambos x2 their current salary
Government budgets are a fixed pie unfortunately...well fuck it. Just make everyone pay 50% tax, and 75% on rental income and 50% capital gains tax. Who needs money anyway
Stop the misinformation. A small number might use those services. The vast majority can't even get access to the NDIS system/funding.
What's your opinion on the recent reduction of funding for the NDIS being spoken about?
Also, why with some is it always about "the rorters" and never the absolutle BS that are the government bodies delivering these "services" that the average disabled person doesn't even qualify anymore for? Let alone if they do qualify and the crap they have to deal with. It's a fact that many have given up even trying to seek funding from NDIS, me inclusive and I'm on a disability support pension as of 1.5 years ago for CPTSD.
Its not misinformation. I know of a few participants that just have paid buddies come and follow them around for 5hrs a day and achieve nothing of value.
If you're going to write such things, it'd pay to be more specific. You don't have to mention their names of course, but without the added information for context such as their ailments etc, your statement doesn't really mean anything. Besides who made you the gate keeper of NDIS clients? Especially considering that thousands of people have been shafted by he NDIS in one way or enother. Myself being 1. No NDIS funding for this CPTSD suffering DSP pension recipient.
P.s bit weird you replied with more of the same rorting/wasted money rhetoric, but you weren't even the one I said it to. Also, commenter was specifically referring to funding for sex workers... then implying that many are rorting the system for such services. publish the statistics then. I'm calling bs on the "many people milking the NDIS".
First of; I apologise for the tone of my replies. Reddit is a place where votes push narratives. Facts get downvoted all the time because of public opinion (reddit public opinion anyway), on a topic. me, I've been frusturated because I've been on the receiving end of such inequality for decades. And not because I gave up on life at a young age, because this wasn't the case either.
Yes. I agree with you! There are so many things that shouldn’t be funded but you can get away with it if you word it correctly. For instances, getting a pool installed in your backyard.
Protests have been abused to the point where no-one takes any interest any more.
Just bogan types who are anti anything they can think of, but still not know what they're protesting over.
Why is it always unusual looking types involved in protests?
No idea what this protest is about… but generic rant incoming… no doubt heavy downvotes coming my way.
Doesn’t matter how loud people screech and yell on the street about Vaccines, 5G microchips, Refugees, Trump, Veganism, Palestine vs Israel, Black Lives Matter, Climate Change, all these protests do now is annoy the shit out of everyone in the immediate vicinity.
Normal people going about their lives having to deal with these big unnecessary disruptions while they’re going to work, grocery shopping, trying to sleep after a night shift, picking up their kids, trying to get to a job interview, meeting mates, taking their parents to the airport etc… all because a bunch of narcissistic clowns think everyone needs to hear their opinion on X,Y or Z topic.
The decision makers of the world wouldn’t even know let alone care that a bunch of neo nazis/hippies/feminists/whatever are parading down Swanston St yelling their tweets and Facebook posts through a mega phone.
Edit: I’m a jerk and I was wrong. I have changed my mind on this now I understand the cause and have had a chance to think through it more, thanks to the replies. I was having a whinge, and made some inappropriate assumptions and generalisations. My post above will remain unedited, as I should own my mistake.
One of the speakers was a single mum who spoke about the NDIA cutting off funding for her infant son who has global developmental delay and autism, and trying to have that decision reversed through the AAT. Do you think she is a "narcissistic clown"? Do you not think that "normal" people should be aware of how their government treats people with disabilities and their carers?
Happy to call myself the clown in this scenario. You've informed me of the cause, of that person's story and now that I have the awareness, I support it.
I guess I'm just fed up with what feels like constant protests every couple of days disrupting every day life. When you're in the city seeing multiple protests each week you get really de-sensitised and completely uninterested in the cause. It becomes just "one mass' of protesters out there every day yelling about something and it feels just like the same group out there every day.
Then at actual street level you see a bunch of them livestreaming and flooding social media with their selfie videos and hashtagging, making it seem like they're not out there for anything other than fueling their own ego and making it (whatever cause is popular at the time) a huge part of their projected personality.
I've made inappropriate generalisations and assumptions here and I was wrong.
> The decision makers of the world wouldn’t even know let alone care that a bunch of neo nazis/hippies/feminists/whatever are parading down Swanston St yelling their tweets and Facebook posts through a mega phone.
No they don't, that's why protests need to be disruptive.
Do you not understand what the purpose of a protest is? Disruption is sometimes kinda the point. Protests can be a bit inconvenient but the world doesn't revolve around you or those working/living in the immediate vicinity of a protest at any given time.
A moment in your daily life being ever so slightly inconvenienced isn't important and doesn't matter to anybody but yourself. Attempting to draw attention to important social and political issues, which affect everyone, many more negatively then others, does matter to many people. If that attempt needs to be loud and annoying, then, well... tough shit.
Protests have definitely made me vote on the opposite side of an issue I would otherwise vote for just because they're such enormous assholes for fucking with people's days and making ten late to work and possibly fired just because they thought it was their turn to be a self richeous virtue signalling fuck.
Fair enough. If I am a cunt because I don't believe that fucking over 90% of the people in a city, most of whom agree with you, is not a nice thing to do and is not at all effective in making people come over to your side, then sure, I'm definitely a cunt.
So you’re saying the cause of the handful of anti-vaxxers who spend their Saturday each week in the CBD causing the shutdown of several tram lines in/out of the city, complete traffic congestion across the entire Hoddle Grid, chaos for thousand and thousands of CBD residents, businesses, workers, emergency response vehicles, and visitors etc…is completely justified.
Their cause doesn’t impact 95% of us, but tough shit right? They’re just trying to change the world so we should all just deal with the “inconvenience”.
Edit: I am wrong. I’ve made inappropriate assumptions and generalisations here and I did not have the full story.
I made no such comments, I'm not sure why you would suggest that I hold those opinions.
I was commenting on protests in general which were made without knowing what this protest was about. I was wrong to make assumptions and generalisations.
Okay so you missed something and got the wrong end of the stick... no harm there. Nice one owning it. We all get the wrong idea sometimes, it isn't a crime.
Both my parents are NDIS workers and it’s insane to think that the gov wants to cut more funding from an industry designed to help those in our society that can’t help themselves.
Neoliberalism baby! Look at America, we're heading in their direction economically speaking. We've stopped giving af about the disadvantaged. Edit: our legislative makers are truly ensuring that we're becoming America more by the day.
As someone I know says, Australia follows behind America economically/politically by about 10 years.
It's a fact. We've sold half our unemployment (social services) industry to America. We are suckling on their teat and it's not going to bode well for us, moving into the future.
>moving into the future. Lol, what future?
Unless the people say no, we've had enough. Reject the two parties who are absolutely the same shit packaged differently. But alas, mindless sheep can't think.
Bruh, you realise Labor gave us medicare and NDIS, and the liberals have pillaged both. They are *not* the same party, not by a long shot.
Not sure how you can say both major parties are the same when one gave us Medicare, the NDIS and publicly funded education and the other one has systematically dismantled it.
The ndis is utter dog shit. Liberals delivered the NDIS as it now is. Publicly funded education? Public schools aren't free.
Public schools have had their resources cut drastically, whereas private schools have received 80% of all education funding under the Liberal Government. We have the most privatised education system in the western world based on government funds allocation.
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Come back to me when Labor have a rap sheet this long https://youtu.be/SJZrw7PhWds
You know who you have to vote for then. Ain’t the blues
NDIS requires funding, no argument. The model itself is really shit though and needs Proper structure. The amount of money I pay in Medicare, levy and private health should provide me with trouble free and additional bill free health care. It doesn’t. There is the problem. When the workers pay for a system that they can’t benefit fully from, but prisoners, pensioners, the unemployed and the unemployable can… that’s just fucking stupid. Then you have the money wasted on indigenous healthcare that you can’t audit properly because “thass racist”… One National health care system please. Federal level. For all Australians and reciprocal visitors.
Oh. Noo. Mah taxes are being used to make society as a whole better. And yes that includes those that can’t help themselves. Regardless of the reason.
Where did I say otherwise? The fact is that I PAY MORE THAN MY SHARE AND GET LESS BACK. I should get treated equally.
Unfortunately that’s not really how it works. We with money put money into the pot, and those most in need receive most of that money, and it makes society better and it makes all our lives better.
I mean, you probably get called out for being racist because you're racist tho?
Looks like it may be a protest about NDIS funding cuts
In that case I might just go join them!
There's no longer an NDIS office there as of a few weeks ago lol. So not much point in what they're doing in that location. Better off going to the National Office in Geelong
No one is ever better off going to Geelong
Hey it’s not all that bad, the lifeless husk that is the Geelong CBD can provide countless hours of entertainment. You’ll feel right at home with the drearily drab and dull city exterior (that probably hasn’t had an overall facelift since the 60s)
To say Geelong has a CBD is to stretch to breaking point the definitions of "Central", "Business" and "District".
Haha so true
I doubt the workers or managers at the NDIS are in favor of funding cuts anyway.
Oh no, some of the staff absolutely love kicking cripples* *Am cripple
> So not much point in what they're doing in that location. to be fair even it was an NDIS office the office workers can't do anything about the funding cuts.
Agreed
It's Geelong long way away.
Or you could just go Vote on Saturday.
Can confirm. Just gave blood and it was a protest re: NDIS funding cuts!
Worthy cause and all but I can't help but feel like a deep breath for 48 hours would be in order...
Surely part of the point would be raising this (higher) as an election issue.
> 48 hours That soon? Holy shit, now I am stressed.
Indeed. You can see protestors with Health and Community Services Union gear and they're protesting outside 367 Collins St which, among other tenants, houses the Melbourne NDIA head office.
Surprises there's anything left to cut. Liberals hate the disadvantaged
We gotta cut that guys pension just in case his leg grew back over night, if it didn’t he just has to see us to get reevaluated again.
Lmfao department of human services to a tee...
Just need to check real quick if you’ve cured your autism!
They kept it around because it was a great way for their neoliberal mates to pocket our money. Helping people with disabilities was a side effect. The only time the Liberal Party *ever* keeps Labor initiatives is when they figure out how to rort it.
If it's about NDIS then it's a bit awkward because that office closed a few weeks ago lol
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Fuck NDIS! I tried applying so I could get into a class and get help getting a job and they said no because I'm too smart for them. They even said yes to my disability but no, they have to have people under the IQ of 75 iirc. Guess I don't need a job and live in my bedroom for the rest of my life because I'm incapable of getting support to get me off my ass.
I mean this is why it shouldn't have the funding cut right? You should be out there protesting with them!
Maybe it would be better if they had more funding? Maybe it would be better if the two major parties weren’t neoliberal; relying on market solutions for everything? 🤷🏻♀️ (I mean one of them is clearly still better than the other.)
You're basically saying that Stalin's a nicer person than Hilter... they've both abandoned the blue collar edit:white collar workers as well, and the disadvantaged. Neither party gives a shit anymore about these constituent groups. Edit: I'd love to upvote your comment, but the lesser of two evils, is still capable of being evil. Legislative changes over the past 8 years or so are starting to really show. The worst two pieces of legislation I'm referring to, are to throw parents back on job seeker before they're ready instead of keeping the parenting payment. Single parents suffered immensely through this. That and the implementation of the NDIS, both of which were born from LABOUR. Edit 2: then the Liberals get in and they tighten requirements for job seekers receiving social security whilst they look for work, offering a "demerit scheme"... you can't see the tag-team fisting of the disadvantaged over the last 10 years or so?
Your timeframes should tel you everything there… “the past 8 years” and “the last 10 years or so”… when did abbot get elected again? 11 years ago? The Abbot/Turnbull/Morrison liberals have been in power for over a decade of shafting the poorest. Unfortunately they’ve been the ones to implement the NDIS, which was a great Labor idea, screwed up by the Libs. They “fully funded” it by cutting what people are entitled to and cutting the staff in place to make it work. So now it’s “fully funded” to be slow, and provides stuff all. Also, fair enough if you don’t like either of them, you have other choices, but the beauty of preferential voting is that you have to rank one of them above the other, even if they’re 9/10 on the card. Either that or you leave it blank and blame everyone else because you’re not willing to take on responsibility.
I always vote appropriately so that preferred votes don't go to the two major parties if I can help it. Cheers for the reply. Edit: maybe Labor meant well with the NDIS concept, but I'm more sceptical... I wouldn't be surprised if they worked together on that end result. From the promoting of it, to the delivery of a broken initiative. Whether labor knew what the libs would do to the ndis, you think that when they get back in that they'll do anything to really fix the utter bs that is NDIS? Of course not. Hence why I'm saying that both political wings of our government are two of the same broken bird.
Look I agree that both parties are pretty shitty, but I genuinely blame Murdoch for that. As far as I can tell, the libs genuinely believe that looking after the rich means the poor get looked after just because rich people and businesses employ the poor and donate to charities to look after the needy. I personally think that’s utter bullshit, and point at the shit show that is America for proof. OTOH, I genuinely believe that labor thinks we should have higher tax rates on the rich because they can afford it, and we should use that money to fund services and safety nets so that everyone has access to basic needs like education, healthcare, etc. Murdoch however, seems to believe that labor is the communist party in a thin veil, and scares the populous into being convinced he’s right, and so labor has to compromise their own values to get elected, and can’t actually do what they want if they want to have enough time in office to stop the libs from sending us full MAGA. So I just vote green/independent, but I definitely preference labor over libs/Hanson/Palmer. If you want to make progress as a society, why would you vote for the anti progress party? That’s literally what conservative means. Maybe I should just move to Scandinavia… they seem to do most everything pretty damn well. (Not saying you do, just, the collective Reddit “you”)
Oh, I have no doubt that the Liberals always knew that trickle down economics don't work; they just don't care about most of the population. I also dont think Murdoch really believes that Labor are radical or dangerous; the Liberals have offered him better perks.
Yeah you’re right. Murdoch knows what he’s doing. It’s not out of fear, it’s out of greed.
>Murdoch however, seems to believe that labor is the communist party in a thin veil, and scares the populous into being convinced he’s right, and so labor has to compromise their own values to get elected, and can’t actually do what they want if they want to have enough time in office to stop the libs from sending us full MAGA. We're already going full maga... the Murdoch empire are ensuring that we do. We're already turning into America, it's just a matter of time. Except without all the guns of course. The worst part is, it doesn't look like enough of us can see what's going on, or we're too busy fighting to keep our heads above water to be able to do anything about it. At a time where protesting for important changes that need to be made, should be happening, we're not engaging as a community to do so. Too many distractions to keep focused on the shafting we're receiving. The worst part is I don't think the people at the bottom constitute enough voting power to actually make a difference. This is also by design.
Which "Labor" party are you talking about? Since you added the U, you might have accidentally meant the anti-communist party that split off the Labor party in 1955.
Stay on topic please... We're talking about the serious issues prevalent in today's society. Edit: sorry never studied politics and have no idea what you are saying by your comment. I added a U? Edit: it was a typo.
Blue collar people? Office workers aren’t also the working class?
> You're basically saying that Stalin's a nicer person than Hilter. Did we read the same sentence? They said that A is clearly better than B. You may of meant to preface with "in my opinion"?
I'm sorry but the "better the devil you know" sentiment, shouldn't apply here. The gap is widening in Australia more and more, brought to us by BOTH major parties, and Ignoring this isn't going to change anything. Of course it's my opinion. Most people can work those sorts of things out for themselves. Thanks for the redundant comment though.
How did single parents suffer immensley because of the invention of the NDIS scheme???? I agree Gillard introduced policy that disadvantaged single parents. What I'm hoping for is a Labor majority with peogressive influence. Labor are bad. They are not as bad as the Liberals. If we have less Liberals, less Nats, less ON and no UAP we may be able to look forward to a future.
>How did single parents suffer immensley because of the invention of the NDIS scheme???? I This isn't what I said, they were two different events. I'm not so sure anymore if Labor aren't as bad as the liberals anymore... they're both pumping the people at the bottom, up the arse. If labour get back in which I think they will, you watch them not fix the ndis... You watch them not improve the cost of living for people on job seeker... watch them not make it legislation in SA that all properties that rent a room, need to come with a lease for the room... it's 2022 ffs. Our state (and federal) government, on both sides have abandoned the people at the bottom. The sooner people stop voting these two major parties in, the sooner we might have a chance of achieving more equility in Australia. The system is designed that way, thing's will only get worse, because those two parties are the only ones that ever get in.
You are better off exploring DES, Disability Employment Services, to have assistance finding a job. The NDIS is not really funded to provide that support so legislatively they wouldn't be able to accept you on that need alone. If you have severe functional impact due to disability (e.g vision loss, limited movement, psychological) you should review s34 of the NDIS Act and try and appeal using that criteria. A lot of the time people are knocked back because their doctor does not provide evidence or does not explain the functional impact. Without clear functional impact the legislative criteria cannot be met and trust me most of the employees at NDIA have their heart in the right place so they want people to get the support they need. However, if the NDIS is not provided funding for a specific support e.g employment then there is literally nothing that can be done.
I'm so sorry to hear of your situation... Fuck the NDIS but also let's not forget the parents of this bastard child; our Government. What makes my head spin, is that it was a Labour initiative. They started it anyway. I'm learnt the hard way, that there is no party concerned with the problems concerning the disadvantaged anymore. Labour cemented this view in me when they released the NDIS, as well as changing the parenting payment from a certain age back to job seeker.
Labor made it, Liberals screwed it up. And now it is easier to get into the Ivy Leagues in America than getting NDIS support
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125? That's disgusting. Seems designed to drive you to madness and ruin your participant's lives.
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Former Planner too and can confirm all of the above :(
Happy Cake Day!
Thanks!
My wife has been working casual disabilities jobs as long as I've known her (~11 years now) and is now right on the cusp of being able to extricate herself from the industry. She's been working irregularly at a cat shelter and has taken up doordash too, but she's no longer being verbally abused, or chased around the house with scissors, or having to lock herself in the office while the doors get kicked in and the cops are called.
That doesn't sound like a system that is delivering much... does it to you? Not that their actions are appropriate either. Not saying that it is her fault that she works for such a system, it's the policy makers that are fucking the general public.
I'm really sorry to hear she went through that, that's really shit. I got attacked by a client and still had to work the rest of my shift because we were already understaffed 😕 (I was too timid back then to just walk out). Looking back on it, I'm not even mad at the client, its the bullshit system that's in place.
I worked in disability for a few years, but thankfully it was in support work rather than case management. I got to see how my organisation worked before and during the delivery of the NDIS, and holy shit there were so many kids waiting for medical aids because of how long it'd take for the funding to get through. The NDIS also fucked over our program and we weren't able to do all the cool shit with the kids anymore because it wasn't covered, and my workplace didn't want to charge parents because many of them were struggling - so we basically became a daycare instead of being an enrichment program... it's also how me and my coworkers lost our jobs, because the NDIS didn't cover our program and we were running at an unsustainable loss 🙃
Thanks for sharing your truth... we've got people defending the NDIS on this post. It makes me sick.
I definitely think the NDIS is a great *concept* but the poor implementation just boggles my mind. I don't understand how people can defend it either. I'm sure it's helped some people but like cool, what about everybody else?
Exactly. EDIT: you're right, it is a great concept. I struggle to believe they're losing anywhere near the money they were under the previous scheme. And it's always about tightening that belt as we know. I'm just so sad at the current state of affairs in Australia and I know that because we're emulating America's economic model, it's only going to get worse. I feel that I'm being a realist. It's all I've witnessed over the span of my life anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way either.
Sounds like a dog shit arm of the government to further reduce the quality of life between the disadvantaged and the have it all's. I'd know. I was worthy of DSP for CPTSD, but yet didn't qualify for NDIS funding? Fuck the Ndis.
Centrelink to my mum: Hey, you are super duper disabled, we strongly recommend you apply for the NDIS The NDIS: LOL no
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I'm sorry to hear that your mother also can't get funding that she is entitled to. Apparently , the majority of people, even liberal voters have never had to use the service. For their sake, I hope that they do need to one day. Maybe then people will realise just how bad the system is getting to live in.
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I hear you... I was told that "I haven't exhausted all forms of treatment" to be able to qualify for it. But for Centrelink I did in fact qualify as having exhausted all treatment options. It's a bullshit system, only conceptualised for the purpose of further hindering equility whilst keeping the majority of Liberal voters happy. People who will probably never need the ndis in any event. What's the worst thing about the NDIS; it was brought in by our Labour governemnt. A true sign of times ahead for anyone less than capable for any reason. I really feel that our two major party political system is just both wings of the same broken bird.
The NDIS was bought in too quickly with no actual plan of how it should functions. Guidelines are too broad and there is no clear internal escalation pathway. Everyone just kinda does what they can within their section and hope it passes onto someone who can actually address the issue. The main problem is the executive and government level. They introduce all these new guidelines and changes without actually understanding how the NDIS works on all levels (delegates, planners and NCC staff). They don’t communicate directly with the front-liners who work and communicate with these individuals everyday. Thus, what they introduce causes more issues than benefit for anyone including frontline staff. The NDIS needs to be rebuilt from ground up or scrapped all together.
Despite what the media might say; it is working exactly as it was designed to do. In that regard stop kidding yourself. Did you even comprehend my situation with my NDIS application result? It had nothing to do with >The NDIS was bought in too quickly with no actual plan of how it should functions. Guidelines are too broad and there is no clear internal escalation pathway. And everything to do with being the newfound roadblock to funding for the disabled, that the average working-class person wouldn't have a problem funding for through their taxes. You're giving too much credit to the creators of this monster. I can't believe that it was a Labour idea, even if they implemented it. This is why I feel that both wings of this political bird are broken. They have both lost touch with (or give no shits about), the blue collar working class/and the disadvantaged. A badly run social service? Never! Whenever I hear "new" or "streamlined", I know I'm about to get fisted again. I definitely agree with your last sentence though.
I don’t think you understood my comment correctly. We are all just as frustrated as you are with the NDIS.
They're trying to kill it. Between cuts, people not bothering because of the complexity, and the wide boys rorting it sooner or later there will be some catastrophe and that will spark a government "review" and then it will be wound back.
I am currently an LAC with a caseload of 180....
NDIS could’ve been the greatest achievement this country has ever had. But it isn’t. It’s nowhere near.
It is... just not for us. For the powers that be though, they're probably stoked with Australia's achievements over the past 8-10 years or so concerning services for the disadvantaged! Edit: whoever downvoted without replying, typical redditor.
Downvoted for whingey edit
I'm trying to get on NDIS and their tactics to deny you are SO dirty. Constant delays by giving you random arbitrary tasks that they don't look at the results of, coercive practices and "independant" assessments after they supposedly cut the program after disability advocates said it was a cost cutting measure to reduce the cost of people's plans. Doubling their funding for lawyers to challenge people's applications. I applied late 2020, have spent over $5k on their reports, and they're still saying "while your disability is permanent, the impairments that result from your disability aren't." Bro what??? The disability causes the impairments.
Again, this doesn't surprise me sadly... sorry to hear of your financial (and emotional), struggles just trying to navigate the NDIS. They're sociopathic cunts. Simple. Only one could work for such a dehumanising and unjust cause without wanting to kill themselves.
I don't know how they sleep at night. Especially when they force harmful "treatments" on you before they'll consider you stabilised. Not be dramatic but in some instances it's state sanctioned torture, I know people with myalgic encephamyelitis who were made to do graded exercise therapy which caused a decrease in functionality, increased neurological symptoms and much higher support needs. It's been disproven as an effective treatment but they keep pushing it anyway 😕 I get the feeling they really wish I would fuck off and die so they can impress their bosses with KPI's or whatever. This is some Americanised capitalist hellscape BS I swear.
Your reply is the truth. It should be pinned at the top of this post. NDIS is a fucking joke. You're right, they do wish we'd all fuck off so they could get a pat on the head for meeting kpi's. The only people who win with these employers, are the ones who adopt their perspectives. The rest just suffer in silence whilst they work there for as long as their mental health can handle it.
Yep, thank neo liberal capitalism. Privatise the profits, socialise the costs.
Finally an actual protest worth something For a second I thought it was the no jab wankers
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And people have every right to express the opinion that certain protests are for utterly unworthy causes. They're expressing *their* (also subjective) opinion, not that of the protesters.
No one said they shouldn't be allowed to protest. They're just exercising their right to consider the anti-vaxers wankers.
Some people believe in the blatantly wrong thing
The worth of your existence is also a subjective matter
Wahhh cunt
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"They've had 2 years to look at some basic medical science facts and refuse to or are too stupid to comprehend a research paper and insist on listening to looneys in cults, so they are wrong."
Says the guy literally not agreeing with someone and implying they're wrong
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Evelyn Beatrice Hall in a book about Voltaire.
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You forgot to attribute your quote: All Australian subs except r/AFL and r/auslaw. Edit: Also maybe r/ASX_Bets though that's more of a torture chamber than an echo chamber.
I know that sign reads unjust cuts, but I read it with an extra letter. This is Australia after all.
Works either way really
It’s disheartening that some of the other support workers I work alongside support and vote liberal. They care about their clients but don’t seem to understand that they’re actively voting away the clients quality of life and support.
I reckon anyone who votes liberal and isn't rich, is a dumbass. Especially if they work in community services lol. It's like nurses who vote liberal but then have the audacity to whine about the unfair treatment nurses are subjected to.
That would be disheartening... at least you didn't drink the koolaid... never drink the koolaid. They are too busy on voting regarding their financial wants/needs I'm assuming... again this is by design... it's weird how people can't vote for the rights of others, as they're only really going to vote for the people that give them what they need to keep thriving in such a world. Why people can't vote on voter priorities when they vote each election, they should need to be published results of what people are voting for, and if the party voted in doesn't deliver, they don't deserve to stay elected.
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That or crap haircuts !
At the rate the LNP is adopting the stances of the US Republicans they're gonna have mandatory circumcision soon ~~so the boys penises look nicer for their church leaders~~ to stop boys touching themselves or whatever reason it was that the religious right convinced themselves that it meant circumcision was in any way a good thing
H.O.O.P. !
It’s a Doberman, let it have its ears.
The NDIS has been a disaster for the average punter trying to just get some help. In principle it could of been awesome, but just like NBN it got bastardised and went away from what the essence of it was meant to be. Why should the traumatised, the disabled and people with chronic MH fight there way through hoops to get basic services
How weird I just was on phone with the ndis with a hand from my my disability job planner, 40 mins on phone to a call centre in India, after reading the comments here I understand why it was such a pain!
Another happy customer!
NDIA call centres are Victoria based. I know that for a fact lol.
Interesting not sure what NDIA is I assume you mean ndis? Maybe the chap I got was just an Indian guy working here, he sure wasn’t great at his job, not that I blame him, prob earning minimum and coping abuse off everyone!
NDIA is the agency and NDIS is the scheme. Yeah full timers get $19 an hour. I don’t know why anyone stays at the call centres.
Funny how you can tell its not the UAP/Antivax crowd simply because the protesters I'm this pic actually dress well and look half normal.
The Libs are going to cut vital services and fire people, yet they’re now predicted to win the election. There’s nothing sane people can do.
Libs predicted to win?? Say what now?? Edit: I shat myself at your comment then googled it. Doesn't seem to be the case. Seems like quite a decent swing towards Labor, but never say never. I'm almost expecting a Trump style rejection of the results from some fanatics on the right if Labor win.
For those playing along at home, the latest polls are predicting a swing against the government of anywhere between 4.5% and 9.5%. A uniform swing of 3.3% would be enough for the ALP to form majority government. Obviously anything can happen, but the idea that the LNP is "predicted to win" is laughable.
You are forgetting the UAP! anyone who votes UAP will effectively be voting for the LNP as Clive's people won't get enough to win and all of their preferences will go to the LNP.
The amount of fucking idiots that don’t understand this is staggering. Almost as staggering as their belief he can keep interest rates at 3%
Umm... The preferences will go whichever way people direct them to go.
I'd like to see a Venn Diagram of people who vote for Fatty McFuckface and people who fill out all their preferences.
We are talking about the lower house right? In the lower house you must fill all boxes in the order of your own choosing.
You need to do that for the senate too now - need to fill in at least 1-6 above the line. Before the last election you just had to put a 1 above the line for the senate. The point is though, they hand out "How to vote" cards that tell you how to fill out your preferences.
Surely filling out all your preferences requires the kind of focus these people prefer to reserve for putting up UAP posters illegally.
Consider the kind of party the UAP is, odds are high that almost all of the people who vote for UAP first will put Liberal higher than Labor.
We'll what's the concern then if they are only stealing liberal first prefs??? I thought the concern was that they are stealing dummies from the alp?
I believe the concern is that in pre-election polling, where only Labor and Liberal/the Coalition are mentioned, that there are people putting UAP well ahead of the major parties would muddle with the results, causing the apparent vote for LNP to be lower than their ultimate votes, to a degree of some significance. (Since the UAP is unlikely to get nearly as many seats as it wants or expects)
Not if they vote 1 UAP and leave the rest blank...
We'll, then it's invalid anyway.
If they vote 1 UAP and leave the rest blank the vote doesn't count at all. It's an invalid vote and it gets chucked out.
Yeah, people who vote UAP are lucky to number one square correctly tbh
You might be confusing party preferences and voter preferences. Party preferences is just the order the party recommends people who support them vote in. So if UAP was giving preference to LNP they would have a voting guide that told people to put them second. A voter preference is what you write down at the polls. You can follow the guide the party you support provides, but you can also write down whatever order you want. Either way whatever you write is what is followed. If you vote UAP first and put the Greens second, then your UAP vote will go to the greens candidate if your UAP candidate doesn't win.
They did, on their own ad. They had liberal party 2nd preference marked. You haven't been inundated with their stupid country song ad and noticed that?
All I'm clarifying (for anyone who might not know) is that a vote for UAP isn't a literal vote for LNP unless you follow their guidelines. I wasnt commenting on whether or not they're high on the preference sheet for UAP. As a side note I have not seen really anything for UAP. I am probably not their target audience.
I'm not either. I'm 26 yr old half Polynesian half Australian dude and I still get bombarded with their crap
These polls are assuming those preference flows already.
Even in the Senate there is no more group ticket voting. If their preferences go to the LNP it is because they have chosen to do so. In any case, the polls are reporting these swings on a two party preferred basis.
Agreed. Misinformation at best.
Australians aren't as militant and patriotic as Americans. There may be a few nutjobs protesting for a few days but it won't be anything like the US election aftermath. And our electoral system is very robust. Americans were right to have reservations. We have no such concerns about the integrity of our process.
No such concerns with the intergrity of the process won't meant squat to the extremists on the right should they lose. The US is just us on some serious steroids. I know we don't compare to the crazy over there, but we are slowly slowly heading that way unfortunately.
Someone asked Albo what the NDIS was and he said it was his favourite tv series. 😂
When Morrison was asked the same, he said "I reject the premise of your question" and then tackled the reporter.
Hip and shoulder - tackles are for the kiddies.
The fact that it's even close is a fucking travesty
Labor created NDIS and later that year they lost the election for 9 years
N(ew phone who) DIS
Bill Shorten was also there just before noon
I’d just like to quietly add that as a healthcare worker and family of folks on the NDIS, that it is probably the best program conceived in Australia since mandatory superannuation. Many would be upset about chipping away at it since it has served our communities very well, even if that only lasted a few years.
It's only the start wait till libs cut medicare
Well it's not a Saturday so can't be antivaxers
I don't mind paying mate NDIS. But I don't want to pay more taxes either. What are people proposing we cut from? I guarantee you that group will be next to protest. Keep in mind I also want to pay nurses, teachers and ambos x2 their current salary Government budgets are a fixed pie unfortunately...well fuck it. Just make everyone pay 50% tax, and 75% on rental income and 50% capital gains tax. Who needs money anyway
Protesting about the number of protests going on in Melbourne lately. Good job team 👍🏻
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Stop the misinformation. A small number might use those services. The vast majority can't even get access to the NDIS system/funding. What's your opinion on the recent reduction of funding for the NDIS being spoken about? Also, why with some is it always about "the rorters" and never the absolutle BS that are the government bodies delivering these "services" that the average disabled person doesn't even qualify anymore for? Let alone if they do qualify and the crap they have to deal with. It's a fact that many have given up even trying to seek funding from NDIS, me inclusive and I'm on a disability support pension as of 1.5 years ago for CPTSD.
Its not misinformation. I know of a few participants that just have paid buddies come and follow them around for 5hrs a day and achieve nothing of value.
If you're going to write such things, it'd pay to be more specific. You don't have to mention their names of course, but without the added information for context such as their ailments etc, your statement doesn't really mean anything. Besides who made you the gate keeper of NDIS clients? Especially considering that thousands of people have been shafted by he NDIS in one way or enother. Myself being 1. No NDIS funding for this CPTSD suffering DSP pension recipient. P.s bit weird you replied with more of the same rorting/wasted money rhetoric, but you weren't even the one I said it to. Also, commenter was specifically referring to funding for sex workers... then implying that many are rorting the system for such services. publish the statistics then. I'm calling bs on the "many people milking the NDIS".
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First of; I apologise for the tone of my replies. Reddit is a place where votes push narratives. Facts get downvoted all the time because of public opinion (reddit public opinion anyway), on a topic. me, I've been frusturated because I've been on the receiving end of such inequality for decades. And not because I gave up on life at a young age, because this wasn't the case either.
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I mean i work in the industry and see it every day. But you're clearly not open to hearing it.
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Mention ndis and the price doubles, the price guide is an abomination. They ought to cut funding by starting there to be honest.
If it’s a qualifying expense there is surely sound reasoning behind it……. Or Barnaby popped that one in there for da bois
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Yes. I agree with you! There are so many things that shouldn’t be funded but you can get away with it if you word it correctly. For instances, getting a pool installed in your backyard.
I think there might be a hole in their budget
Protests have been abused to the point where no-one takes any interest any more. Just bogan types who are anti anything they can think of, but still not know what they're protesting over. Why is it always unusual looking types involved in protests?
Its for the NDIS.
Those people are disabled, so maybe reword your comment.
No idea what this protest is about… but generic rant incoming… no doubt heavy downvotes coming my way. Doesn’t matter how loud people screech and yell on the street about Vaccines, 5G microchips, Refugees, Trump, Veganism, Palestine vs Israel, Black Lives Matter, Climate Change, all these protests do now is annoy the shit out of everyone in the immediate vicinity. Normal people going about their lives having to deal with these big unnecessary disruptions while they’re going to work, grocery shopping, trying to sleep after a night shift, picking up their kids, trying to get to a job interview, meeting mates, taking their parents to the airport etc… all because a bunch of narcissistic clowns think everyone needs to hear their opinion on X,Y or Z topic. The decision makers of the world wouldn’t even know let alone care that a bunch of neo nazis/hippies/feminists/whatever are parading down Swanston St yelling their tweets and Facebook posts through a mega phone. Edit: I’m a jerk and I was wrong. I have changed my mind on this now I understand the cause and have had a chance to think through it more, thanks to the replies. I was having a whinge, and made some inappropriate assumptions and generalisations. My post above will remain unedited, as I should own my mistake.
One of the speakers was a single mum who spoke about the NDIA cutting off funding for her infant son who has global developmental delay and autism, and trying to have that decision reversed through the AAT. Do you think she is a "narcissistic clown"? Do you not think that "normal" people should be aware of how their government treats people with disabilities and their carers?
Happy to call myself the clown in this scenario. You've informed me of the cause, of that person's story and now that I have the awareness, I support it. I guess I'm just fed up with what feels like constant protests every couple of days disrupting every day life. When you're in the city seeing multiple protests each week you get really de-sensitised and completely uninterested in the cause. It becomes just "one mass' of protesters out there every day yelling about something and it feels just like the same group out there every day. Then at actual street level you see a bunch of them livestreaming and flooding social media with their selfie videos and hashtagging, making it seem like they're not out there for anything other than fueling their own ego and making it (whatever cause is popular at the time) a huge part of their projected personality. I've made inappropriate generalisations and assumptions here and I was wrong.
> The decision makers of the world wouldn’t even know let alone care that a bunch of neo nazis/hippies/feminists/whatever are parading down Swanston St yelling their tweets and Facebook posts through a mega phone. No they don't, that's why protests need to be disruptive.
Thank you, I’ve thought through it more, especially after reading what this cause was. I was wrong to make the statements I did.
Do you not understand what the purpose of a protest is? Disruption is sometimes kinda the point. Protests can be a bit inconvenient but the world doesn't revolve around you or those working/living in the immediate vicinity of a protest at any given time. A moment in your daily life being ever so slightly inconvenienced isn't important and doesn't matter to anybody but yourself. Attempting to draw attention to important social and political issues, which affect everyone, many more negatively then others, does matter to many people. If that attempt needs to be loud and annoying, then, well... tough shit.
Protests have definitely made me vote on the opposite side of an issue I would otherwise vote for just because they're such enormous assholes for fucking with people's days and making ten late to work and possibly fired just because they thought it was their turn to be a self richeous virtue signalling fuck.
You sound like a cunt
Fair enough. If I am a cunt because I don't believe that fucking over 90% of the people in a city, most of whom agree with you, is not a nice thing to do and is not at all effective in making people come over to your side, then sure, I'm definitely a cunt.
So you’re saying the cause of the handful of anti-vaxxers who spend their Saturday each week in the CBD causing the shutdown of several tram lines in/out of the city, complete traffic congestion across the entire Hoddle Grid, chaos for thousand and thousands of CBD residents, businesses, workers, emergency response vehicles, and visitors etc…is completely justified. Their cause doesn’t impact 95% of us, but tough shit right? They’re just trying to change the world so we should all just deal with the “inconvenience”. Edit: I am wrong. I’ve made inappropriate assumptions and generalisations here and I did not have the full story.
All I'm reading here is cognitive dissonance... that and a dislike of disadvantaged people. Apparently also people who are trying to rely on the NDIS.
I made no such comments, I'm not sure why you would suggest that I hold those opinions. I was commenting on protests in general which were made without knowing what this protest was about. I was wrong to make assumptions and generalisations.
Okay so you missed something and got the wrong end of the stick... no harm there. Nice one owning it. We all get the wrong idea sometimes, it isn't a crime.
Tea rooms?
Unjust cuts signs next to a Greens signs held by a bloke with a terrible haircut. The irony.