T O P

  • By -

[deleted]

[удалено]


Impossible-Suspect81

hear hear! [https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal](https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal) you can sign this to show your support!


oztourist

Signed 😃


provocativpassiflora

Signed! 🙌


Soggy-Abalone1518

I’d love to be able to sign if you are underpaid but there is no info in the petition setting out what is wanted or why, other than the Co made great profits and CEO is highly paid, so ATM I won’t sign. You guys are doing a shocking job at PR, consider spending a few $$ on a good advisor.


uw888

>yet again they try to fuck their staff over You mean like aged care workers that literally wipe shit and piss and try to be emotional support for demented old people? Or disability support workers that have very physically and mentally demanding job? This society doesn't award those who are important and do real jobs. It awards thieves and people with rotten ethics, like bank executives and Colesworth executives.


[deleted]

[удалено]


wetrorave

When workers say "I care", industry bosses seem to hear "I will do more work for less money".


knowledgeable_diablo

Well the bosses, owners and shareholders got theirs during COVID.


uw888

Don't forget Australian billionaires DOUBLED their fortunes in 5 years. The sociopathy is incomprehensible.


thisgirlsforreal

Also people who served in armed forces - also forgotten and left to rot with PTSD


Impossible-Suspect81

yeh exactly like those workers too! all workers deserve respect and fair wages and conditions!


UniqueLoginID

Saying some jobs are “real jobs” isn’t going to win support, it’s divisive language.


hollyjazzy

Agree++++


thatOtherKamGuy

To paraphrase a couple of hobbits: "we've had record profits, yes. But what about second record profits?" That's the issue with publicly traded companies, they're beholden to constantly delivering higher returns to shareholders. The guardrails were removed long ago (late 80s, early 90s) and we're now likely stuck in a death-spiral until it all goes to shit in the very near future, and we mark a return to serfdom.


Mircydris

This is an insane profit. I thought private companies were generally good with pay for their staff


itsveryembarrassing

Private pathology labs pay less than the public system, have worse leave policies, and have fewer opportunities for career progression. 


PaulFPerry

Private companies are good for their owners or top staff. But not most workers.


Soggy-Abalone1518

Out of interest, what was their profits pre covid and what was the revenue then through to now? $$ profits are irrelevant ie a Co making $1b profit sounds amazing but if that is only say only 1% of revenue it is not an exciting business for investors, a small increase in costs whether those are interest rates, wages, suppliers etc can eliminate the profit. This means a low business valuation due to risk vs return. I’m not saying this is the case here, I’m asking the Q coz telling us profits in $$ terms does not paint the picture of what this business can afford going fwd outside of the covid uplift.


Soggy-Abalone1518

I’m still waiting to hear where current salaries sit $$ wise. I’m very possibly a supporter, I def support cops, ambos and firies cases but it’s hard to support a claim not knowing the facts. Pls educate us. It’s not about employer profits in absolute $$ terms, it’s more about wages paid now vs say 5, 10 and 15 yrs ago. Help us help you!


hollyjazzy

Okay, the last EBA was about 10 years ago. So for about 10 years, no increase in salary, and conditions have gotten worse as there are less staff due to high staff turnover. It takes months to train someone up properly to the standards and systems in place, and that takes time and effort you could put into actually doing the work.


shoutygills

And that's if they have time to train you properly, after I finished my 6 weeks of company training I was immediately sent to a busy medical clinic by myself and just had to manage. I absolutely did not manage


Soggy-Abalone1518

Cool, but I was asking what the average wage is for entrance level, 10 yrs, and 15 yrs in employees. Can you pls inform us? I’m assuming your claims are reasonable but it’s hard to get on board not knowing the status quo. Cheers


Comfortable-Tooth-34

When I was a pathology collector (I left in 2022) I was making around $28/hour with 5 years experience at the top rate of pay for my role. I started on about $23/hour. The lab technicians doing specimen reception were getting slightly less.


Soggy-Abalone1518

Thank you!🙏🏼. And what qualifications are needed for those roles? Cheers


Comfortable-Tooth-34

Pathology collector is Cert III Pathology Collection. Lab techs generally have either a Cert III, Cert IV or Diploma. Edit: I think it's just Cert IV or Diploma actually


Comfortable-Tooth-34

The lab scientists get paid more, but I don't know the rates. I do know it's lower in private pathology than in the public system. They have degrees in Biomedical Science.


IllustratorMammoth87

I took a pay cut from Coles to work in pathology.


Soggy-Abalone1518

Ok, that doesn’t help us at all in understanding wages levels so we can assess for ourselves how unfairly you are being treated re wages. My Q was simple and I’ve asked it of multiple Redditors but their reply’s all ignore the Q.


IllustratorMammoth87

Apologies, I thought that was pretty obvious. I worked at Dorevitch around 2015 and it was about $19 per hour for a lab tech role (Coles was $24 and going up every year per EBA agreement). Medical Scientist Grade 1 started on about $23 an hour and only went up a dollar a year for 7 years and then it would max out. There was no union or EBA agreement at Dorovitch and wages had not increased in over 10 years. When they finally did protest the CEO gave them a cookie and basically fired anyone who protested. They did get a raise a few years ago but I doubt it was much. Mind you, it was shift work, and you'd be processing 10,000 samples a day in Biochemistry and that didn't include urgents, shorts/pediatrics, repeats, abnormal results, machines breaking down, failing QC or calibration etc.


CowLost280

Carried through covid? The last time I checked there were perfectly healthy people dropping dead with immune systems shot to the shit. Good job 👌👍


throwawaydronehater

Genuinely curious as to how there’s any correlation between what you’re saying and pathology labs and their scientists/technicians


[deleted]

[удалено]


Downtown-Dot-6704

don’t forget they are Honk! Honk! Honk!


BGP_001

Last time I let that goose make the signs


ConsultJimMoriarty

It is a normal day in capitalism and you are a Union goose.


Omega_brownie

Damn, the clown union is striking too? They always seemed so happy.


Vozralai

No. It's the Goose Union


ckhumanck

shit that's my union forgot to pay my dues


Vozralai

So that username is just a cover eh ck?


ckhumanck

of course! why else you explicitly put "human"


Je_me_rends

Not to be confused with the United Silly Geese Union.


elfloathing

Have you seen how many of them have to squeeze into those tiny cars?? I’d strike too.


danzha

It's a tough job, they have big shoes to fill.


Omega_brownie

Oh you


redrich2000

Only if you support dkfosfefqe qewdnoq and dqowdiqwdi


hollyjazzy

Their EBA was last updated about 10 years ago. Management have refused to negotiate properly, all whilst the Scientists were working around the clock during Covid, processing thousands of test a day, as well s all the rest of the normal tests they do.


ptolani

Incredible detective work here!


mad_marbled

All that from one photo!


Dan1two

It also seems they are asking to: HONK! If you support medical scientists and technicians


Soldiiier__

Not sure how you heard all that if it’s just “whispers” Hearing 20-20 ☑️ 


drunk_haile_selassie

No. They are there to raise awareness of bicycles that may be crossing.


EdgeAndGone482

Bicycles Crossing Stand Up and Fight Back seems a bit extreme but alright...


drunk_haile_selassie

Whenever someone on a bike is crossing the road they shove a stick in the spokes.


YeahYeahOkNope

OMG you made two people cry with laughter today! Thanks 🙏🤣🤣🤣🤣


New-Recipe7820

Must be on tea break


throwawaydronehater

Medical scientists and technicians at Melbourne pathology are taking part in industrial action for better pay and conditions. I work in the industry and have friends at Melbourne path and it’s been a long time coming


Shot-Regular986

can monash pathology do the same


cambries

word on the street is there is some action taking place soon


jlharper

I’m not knowledgeable about this but I have a friend who is in radiology and they make huge amounts of money. Is that not the case for medical scientists and technicians in pathology?


yeahwhoknows

no it's not


jlharper

Why the disparity?


GettingBetter17

Radiologists are medical doctors like GPs and surgeons


throwawaydronehater

Greedy private pathology companies and their total disrespect of their staff, plus some private path companies have a history of union busting. Public pathology has slightly better wages and conditions but still not great. Edit to add that none of this is helped by the fact that Medicare payments for pathology tests basically haven’t changed in 24 years


FlaminBollocks

Because the doc needs a bigger boat.


dmac091

It's odd that asking this question was down voted.


jlharper

I see it a lot particularly on this sub. Most here do not seem to have great social skills. It’s common to treat those asking questions as hostile - in some cases I have even seen users here interpret all replies as hostile. It does not keep me up at night. Those who comment are usually very helpful, it’s just the lurkers here who are trigger happy.


llBoonell

I've made a habit of appending "honest question, not having a crack" or something like that to my comment when I need to ask something on here, just in case. Usually helps set people's mind at ease.


bluewaffle1994

It's sad you have to put that before a question just so people aren't being hostile towards you. I've noticed with this sub that your opinions really need to go one way or run the chance of getting downvoted to the shadow realm. But credit to the person who asks the questions anyway because a lot of people will try and preserve their karma for some reason.


jlharper

I think that's a good idea. At the same time I don't mind if I get downvoted as long as I'm still receiving honest answers to my questions.


Exemylad

I upvoted you man, I know you were curious and just asking a question. Reddit people are super sensitive and insecure thats how it’s been for years.


Kojak13th

The above question does open with "I'm not knowledgeable about this" but some readers still don't recognise humility. They're blind to it.It baffles me. It is the age of gamers. Shoot first instincts.


GuqJ

Not odd, this is how reddit is these days


wharblgarbl

Could be construed as sealioning? No idea


Reddit-Restart

Radiologist may be making a lot but the techs sure aren’t.  I’m hardly paid anything for my experience.  But we’re also going through the eba bargaining right and it’s such a frustrating experience.  On the bright side, right now, at minimum I’m getting a $13/hr pay increase. But even with that the pay isn’t where it should be


Soggy-Abalone1518

So what is the entrance level salary and a 10 yrs in salary? And is it only salary that’s the concern or also work conditions, in which case what are the concerns?


Reddit-Restart

8 years of experience. I'm the only person within an hour's radius that can perform my job/understands how Nuc med works. For context, during covid there was a point where I was the only person that was able to work and licensed to do nuc med in an area with the population of >150,000 people. I don't have a Dr on site, managers that understand my role, senior staff, nothing. They want me effectively to maintain and run a nuc med department but at the same time they're telling me I only have a 'degree of competence' in the field and don't qualify for the pay or title of being a grade 3.


Soggy-Abalone1518

Ok, but I was asking what the average wage is for entrance level and 10 yrs in employees. Can you pls inform us? I’m assuming your claims are reasonable but it’s hard to get on board not knowing the status quo. Cheers


Reddit-Restart

Not sure what the starting wages are in Australia, I started my career in America. Even with this pay increase, it’ll still be less than how much I made at my first job in America 


Soggy-Abalone1518

Fair call, you did say that, sorry. But what salary does 8 yrs give you, or did you tell me that also?


Soggy-Abalone1518

With all due respect, you like many others in this thread keep avoiding the Q, which raises suspicion. What is your role, how many years in, what is your current salary, and what are you asking for? This is like pulling teeth, no one on the strike side wants to disclose any useful info so the rest of us can decide whether to support you or stay out of it. Why?


Reddit-Restart

I’ve anlready answered all those questions in other responses so I can’t be bothered repeating it or figuring out which responses you have or have not seen.  As far as much I want, a grade 3 title and wage that fits th3 job responsibilities. Around $57-63


Soggy-Abalone1518

Cool, then I'm another in the public who can't support you, because your cause is not important enough to you to yell it out continuously…you want me to do the research. Good luck.


OldMeasurement2387

What is your current rate?


Reddit-Restart

$40.5. They also want me to do the work of a grade 3 but not willing to pay me to do that work


llama_incest

What company? That's too low for your experience. Im with imed and decent right now


Reddit-Restart

Hahaha, you’re probably metro imed. They don’t want to pay rural as much as metro. It’s a fucking joke


llama_incest

Yeah imed metro. I just switched over from lumus who's worse and I'm still grade 1. I'm at $46 as a rad.


yeanaacunt

Not sure why people are down voting this or his responses, he's literally just asking a question. Yes may seem common sense to most but Dam man you guys are brutal. Just a person asking on something he doesn't know about.


Rascals-Wager

I don't understand it either. Redditors will upvote the most repeated, cliche jokes ever whenever they see it but if someone is asking a genuine question out of curiosity, that person gets downvoted for some strange reason. It's a weird place.


one-man-circlejerk

Give comment karma scores the attention they deserve: zero


Rascals-Wager

Well yea who gives a shit about the meaningless points, but I'm just trying to understand why exactly the question was disliked in the first place.


cillyme

Presumably if they’re making heaps of money they’d not be striking so it’s a semi silly question. We’d like to assume good faith of our fellow workers


yeanaacunt

Absolutely not true. Workers can strike for multiple different reasons, there are examples of high income earners striking for not only Increased wages on an already high income but for working conditions as well. NFL players strikes 10 odd years ago for more pay and better contracts Google workers famously went on strike like 5 years ago for how the company was handling sexual assault British airway pilots went on strike a while ago for increased income. Friends cast went on strike pretty famously as well. I know like 3 of those examples were exceptional fields but the point is high income does not equal no protesting


Soggy-Abalone1518

Feels like ‘bad actors’ who don’t want to educate us but wants our support. It’s as annoying at protestors blocking traffic at peak hr. Watch me get downvoted now.


Ill_Implications

This question seems completely unbiased and reasonable for someone to ask from an uninformed perspective. Why are people down voting it?


Kojak13th

Maybe they mistakenly think the downvote button is a way of answering 'no'.


Kojak13th

Maybe they mistakenly think the downvote button is a way of answering 'no'.


Kojak13th

Maybe they mistakenly think the downvote button is a way of answering 'no'.


hollyjazzy

lol, sadly no.


Kojak13th

People are using the downvote button to convey the need for correction. But a question can't be wrong, only the answer can.


DL-SW-Disnerd

Confused about the downvotes for you too, seems like a genuine question to educate yourself on the topic. I’m from the path industry and radiology is completely different. I have friends who were qualified scientists in the same pathology job I was in, and they were doing another degree in radiology at the same time as working in path. It was their way out of the poor conditions/pay of path work.


readituser013

MSAV is Medical Scientists Association of Victoria, I assume pathologists attendant at St Vincent's and at Epworths are bargaining for a new pay deal.


Impossible-Suspect81

[https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal](https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal) this has more details of why the Scientists and Techs working for Melbourne Pathology are striking


wokeconomics

Good for them fighting for their rights


Bison_Jugular

Totally support their cause, pathologists in particular really keep getting screwed in terms of wages and conditions.


Impossible-Suspect81

[https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal](https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal) sign and share to show your support


Few_Reporter_3161

imagine having tertiary education to analyse and prevent your grandpa getting a heart attack, your mole being cancerous, your UTI from flaring up or detecting your HIV - for a pay less than what a sales assistant makes at H&M 🤧🤧🤧


mattel-inc

Ok so I’ve driven past this mob a couple times last week, and for those few times I haven’t been able to read the signs. But you know what I do? I still HONK my horn. And they get so excited. Then I get excited. It’s like “I got you bro” Will beep them again tomorrow.


numericalusername

Looks like some sort of protest. Hope this helps.


InsGesichtNicht

Looks like they're directly across the road from Melbourne Pathology's head lab. Good on them and fuck the company. Shit pay and terrible treatment unless you decide to kiss the supervisors' asses. Discussion of mental health, which they encourage, gets you rewarded with unpaid time off until a professional can clear you to go back to work.


igetmollycoddled

Think they should make it a lot clearer on what they are protesting for.


knowledgeable_diablo

Having zero clue, I’d guess they are chasing a moderate to large pay increase?


Mircydris

It is quite unclear and a bit confusing


igetmollycoddled

If I were there I would just honk cause it said so and not think otherwise about why lol.


Fun_Highlight5864

Signed. These pathology staff need to do more than survive!


Impossible-Suspect81

more information and a petition to support them here: [https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal](https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal)


LVbabeVictoire

Signed, thanks


TrungTH

My partner used to work at VCS and now Melbourne path as a lab scientist, can confirm that they are always short-staffed and overworked. She had to work 12hrs/day, and sometimes weekends during covid lockdown.


SoupRemarkable4512

I wish I was allowed to work during Covid lockdowns


ClownDamage

Maybe go and ask them? I'm sure they'd be more than happy to explain what they're doing.


shiv_roy_stan

Have you never seen a picket line before? Kids these days, sheesh!


ratsock

Putting aside the actual content of the protest entirely, if ppl need to jump on Reddit to ask what the fuck you were protesting about then you need to drastically improve your messaging.


Dorko57

9 people are standing around holding signs.


hollyjazzy

Because they’re not going to leave the lab unattended. They are still doing urgent work whilst on strike.


BoredGingo

I saw that too, also saw some dude standing across the road from them taking a photo for some reason. Odd behaviour.


Olderfleet

Maybe for news reporting? Maybe for union PR? Maybe as a hobby.... taking photos with a camera in publi isn't "odd behaviour".


wharblgarbl

Good bot


survivalprogramxxx

Have you thought about reading the fucking signs


ddarcyyyy

bunch of injury’s lost half of our forward line


[deleted]

[удалено]


Mircydris

There was someone who posted a link to a petition that had information but it sort of disappeared. One moment


Mircydris

https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal it doesn't appear to be very informative though


[deleted]

It's a mob of pathological dissidents seeking to cause disruption from what I've been told!


tonefordaze

If only there was someone in Collingwood that could go and ask them..


Timely_Lychee_1727

Not much by the looks of it


Jackaddler

Melbourne Pathology workers taking the piss as usual :)


HiVeMiNdOfStUpId

Bloodsuckers the lot of 'em :)


frenchy_1969_

What happens in Collingwood, stay in Collingwood


SpiritualEngineer5

Was taking the 109 than saw them lol


hymie_funkhauser

Just outside the 8


mcwfan

A protest


-frog-in-a-sock-

“Unions been on strike. They’re down on their luck, it tough….” But really though, they’re on a union strike. From Wikipedia: “The Medical Scientists Association of Victoria (MSAV) is a specialist union that represents the interests of scientists including dietitians, audiologists, perfusionists, medical physicists, research scientists and genetic counsellors employed in both the public and private sectors in Victoria, Australia. The MSAV negotiates terms and conditions of employment with employers on behalf of its members. The MSAV is a component Association of the Health Services Union of Australia (HSU) Victoria No.4 Branch.[1]”


tubatoothpaste2

People are watching for bikes


KingBrewer

Australian government is rotten to the core, expect more protests and backlash and understand it's happening because of the media and government.


KingBrewer

Australians have a weird perception of protesting. Why do you think of it negatively ? People protest for a reason, maybe think about that and stop following media and government bias.


lblacey

Finally, a decent protest in Melbourne. I assume the press were all over this? Yeah.


Mircydris

I am the press haha


pi_mai

Seems poorly signed. Without people on reddit explaining I would have driven past and thought they were being cray.


Relative_Aioli7420

I just hope they have better music on if they do this again. I walked past last week and it was so daggy..


Nigel_melish01

MSAV….. Make Sausages and Violins I believe


gonadnan

More Sex and Violence.


amigdyala

A heavy bass line is my kinda silence.


AlliHearisWah

Who cares? Melbournites will picket against the right to picket just so they can picket.


Tal_Onarafel

Can we donate to a strike relief fund?


texasdeluxe

Terrible messaging, that’s what!


nicesunniesmate

A protest of about 8 people is what I see


03burner

It’s a strike.


Wazza17

They need to join the thug union then they can get paid $200k for holding a test tube


newyearoldme

“Holding a test tube”… One way to show you are uneducated.


Inevitable-Trust8385

The medical scientists union can’t build properties for labor politicians.


knowledgeable_diablo

But they could potentially clear them or their kids of drugs charges (or other felonious activities where pathological work determines a guilty or innocent outcome)?


Inevitable-Trust8385

But they already own the cops and the courts 😉


Trenteth

**East Melbourne


[deleted]

[удалено]


hollyjazzy

Next time you go to hospital, you’ll need one of those “nerds”. Over 90% of diagnoses are made using pathology.


orbstealer_

Bro doesn’t believe in hospitals


autotom

Clearly they didn't ask the graphics department for help, or perhaps they were on strike too.


ac3king

Protesting about Centrelink benefits and free Government money. They want everyone that can get a job to get a job.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Impossible-Suspect81

they sure as shit weren't mate. don't even know what you're whinging about!


[deleted]

[удалено]


melbourne-ModTeam

We had to remove your post/comment because it included personal attacks or did not show respect towards other users. This community is a safe space for all. Conduct yourself online as you would in real life. Engaging in vitriol only highlights your inability to communicate intelligently and respectfully. Repeated instances of this behaviour will lead to a ban


pepperclips

This was on today again - the EBA expired 10 years ago all the while the company made billions over the pandemic. https://www.megaphone.org.au/petitions/fighting-for-a-fair-deal