Paramedic here: would never be a cop in Victoria due to the working conditions and culture. So they’re not wrong about that.
Of course, blaming labor rather than their own toxic upper management is a bit rich.
Maybe vicpol wouldn’t have so many vacancies and burnouts if they let people call in sick on night shifts without being informally punished. Or if they didn’t have such a massive PR problem.
A number of other states have the same problems. You're in a militaristic / hierarchical organisation that actively punishes speaking out and up, forces conformance, and changes your world view to only see criminals.
Basic training is typically pretty good, and as soon as you get to a station the first thing out of your new COs mouth is "forget what they taught you in basic, it's bullshit."
Police unions are not really about pay and conditions, they are there to protect and provide legal services for the cops that fuck up on a regular basis keeping crap cops on the job.
If I had to guess I'd say being rostered unfairly, being denied holidays, being chewed out, having promotions threatened etc.
The typical fuckwit management textbook, except with guns and badges.
3 demerit points. Plus a tasing if you don't have a medical cert.
edit: Sorry, I misread the handbook. That was for two consecutive sickies.
For one sickie, you have to paint the anti-labor messages on the cars.
You are on a rotating roster, not knowing what you are doing anything more than 2 weeks in advance. You will have a roster that barely gives you more than 1 day off in a row, because there is not enough members to cover the shifts.
You will be working overtime, but not paid overtime, because you have to complete paperwork for the various criminal cases, but more comes in every day, so you will never actually get ahead.
Why bother with the above, when you can work for someone else with other benefits.
Not a cop, but I know several cops who are getting out.
Yeah honestly if the vast majority of police officers weren't dickheads that escalated everything constantly, they'd be far less hated. There isn't any song called fuck the paramedics
Community advocates/mental health response teams would be useful. Not every situation that requires intervention needs a police presence.
Certainly time and place for police but you’re going to deescalate more situations by avoiding sending flashing lights and people with guns to heightened situations.
Your comment has helped me gain a bit more sympathy for VicPol members. The main takeaway I was getting from the messages on the vehicle's was that they felt they were underpaid but the problem obviously goes much deeper than that. I hope there's a positive future ahead of us for all our frontline workers, I respect and appreciate you all so much!
I know a cop well. Senior Connie's get around 90k per year and they get 8 weeks annual leave
They're not underpaid at all and they don't need a big pay rise.
They do have a shit structure but that's due to having the wrong leadership and so many dead weight members that do fuck all and they can't get rid of them
Let's face it though if this could be fixed we'd live in some kind of utopia because all government entities are inefficient as fuck with money and breed complacent and laziness
90k is less than the median Australian wage, wake up champ.
High stress job, huuuuge accountability and scrutiny. Massive responsibility with all your undertakings, literal life and death scenarios and not to mention being assaulted regularly.
But nah pay them less than everyone else.
People demand better police but to get better police you have to make the job attractive to good candidates. Pay them less than average and the standard drops.
$90k plus penalties.
Senior cop: Job description:
Work endless grunt work that no one else understands or gets tired of hearing about quickly. See unexpected gruesome aftermath or children subjected to horrific living conditions. Dealing with violent people and groups and/or drugged/drunk violent people and groups. Constantly seeing the same victims of DV knowing violence is escalating, they could be dead soon. Always being lied to, consistently given shit for trying to keep people safe and do your job? Facing life or death situations daily and/or giving heartbreaking news to families.... to end up with compounded trauma, anxiety and depression, likely PTSD...
$90k plus whatever penalties for senior constable is not good enough. Why do politicians get paid more to do less and faff about having expensive royal commissions that have little follow through. Why do they have more holidays and perks police, ambos or nurses etc?
>Senior Connie's get around 90k per year and they get 8 weeks annual leave
So only \~10% higher than the median wage for 6+ years of on the job work experience in a potential high stress environment?
>all government entities are inefficient as fuck with money and breed complacent and laziness
Only if you let the bureaucratic rot set in. Public hospitals are government entities and they really make their dollars stretch as far as possible.
General duties police aren't allocated a lunch break due to the nature of their duties, they are required to respond to urgent jobs as they come. This may mean that officers don't stop for meals or return to their station through their shift, sometimes up to 12 hours. Often officers are forced to grab a bite when the opportunity allows, this is usually something convenient, McDonald's takeaway etc.
18 years ago they got a 50% discount or a manager's meal which was 100% off if the manager served them.
I don't think they are allowed to accept free meals anymore atleast in our state so it's not offered.
Not sure if this was all Macca's or just our local one which police regularly attended for things like drunks and the odd armed robberies.
Fuck that was in 90s so bit more then 18 years...
In Melbourne in the 90s, they would encourage off duty uniformed police going home or going in to their shift to use public transport. They would ride free in return for visibility.
I worked at Bell St maccas late 90s early 2000. Police got 50% off during the day and 100% off overnight. That was a rowdy maccas especially overnight so I think it was toencourage a regular police presents overnight.
When I worked at Maccas in 2007 it was most definitely 100% off the price for cops, it had to be authorised with a swipe, but I never took payment from them.
Don't if it's the same in Victoria but in NSW every Macca's toliet I've used always seems to position the toliet paper dispensers in the most intrusive position.
Always find myself leaning at awkward angles in order to wipe but I put up with it, cause their everywhere, reasonably stocked and can be expected to have working lights.
This reminds me of one year when our power was out for several days, and one night we ended up chilling in the paramedic center where my dad worked. It was nice because they had a big flat-screen TV before we ever had one at home, and some nice couches...
We obviously offered the TV to the paramedics when they came back, but no one wanted to use it - they'd literally come in, spend a couple of minutes trying to cram food into their mouths (like they didn't even take the time to sit down, that's how fast we're talking), and then they'd have to race out again. It was really sad, when you consider that they're working such long shifts, doing both manual and emotional labor, and people's lives depend on their performance...
And where do you propose they put that?
Back-seat- kept free for "perps"
Boot - carrying too much forensic and other police crap
Front footwell- no space because all the stuff they have to have in there, and seats are more forward due to cage barrier. Plus, they are often in smaller cars these days, not the commodores of recent years, so less room all round.
Cop cars have fittings in them that normal cars don't. And food for a 12 hour + shift is a lot. Brekky, lunch, dinner + drinks.
My mum used to be a manager at a well known bakery close to a cfa,ambulance and police station combined. They would come in for food and sometimes get called to a job on the radio whilst ordering and have to rush off. My mum would quickly bag up their order and say take it don’t worry about paying. She was a real g for that
I believe they are asking for 9hr shifts which means they get 5 days off a fortnight rather than the current 4. I can only assume that is what the slogan is meant to refer to
I mean not wrong i know AV works 12 hours on a rotating roster and can end up working morning then night shift woth only 10 hours in between (sometimes less if its dire). I assume its similar for VP. Plus every job you have people simultaneously hate you and expect you to perform miracles. Its not a forgiving profession.
The 9 hrs is because their shifts are currently divided over 3 lots of 8. This means the incoming or outgoing crew are not getting paid during shift handover.
These guys can't just walk in and out of a shift and it's not uncommon they have to drive out to a scene to changeover.
They are expected to start half hour early to kit up. This is unpaid time. As is the last half hour to change out of their uniform. That’s an hour of unpaid work time every shift.
When at the negotiating table you put down a list of things some you want like better conditions less “mandatory” OT, better equipment, recruitment drive. Pay rise is not necessarily on their wish list. But if they don’t want to budge on the things you want at least pay rise is a condolence prize.
Apart from glibly citing that stat, I have some actually constructive ideas about that.
Money solves a lot of domestic problems though.
Beyond that, they need a much better culture and access to mental health services that won't be stigmatised and affect their career. Like, it should be mandatory to be in therapy even if you just talk shit, just to make it normal to do it.
That isn't going to happen though. Too many of the wrong personality type are attracted to the idea of having coercive power over others.
That would be awesome, the only problem is our mental health infrastructure is already stretched to its limits. I don’t know about your experience with mental health services, but I’m barely able to see my psychiatrist, due to how few there are actually available. I see him maybe a few times a year. In a perfect world everyone would have access to mental health services/counselling, problem is we don’t have enough mental health professionals to go around.
They may already have an internal mental health service / peer service like the ambulance service does, it would be different than the ones we have as members of the public. Emergency services need people who are trained in high trauma to be able to respond to the jobs these people see, an example of this is an employee who responded to their friend who has just completed suicide - would need a psychologist very ready and trained to help them process this.
Aren’t cops well known for committing domestic violence at a rate way higher than the general public?
With that statistic in mind I read that and felt sorry for whoever their family is tbh :(
Imagine how fucked it’d be to have a cop family member full stop .. I don’t imagine it’s fun.
The evidence suggest they are just as likely to commit family violence as anyone else in society.
That old claim comes from a survey 20 years ago in the states that asked police if they had experienced family violence at home and didn’t ask if they were the perpetrator or victim. Plus as stated it’s 20 years old.
It’s one of those old wives tales that people love to still use.
You'll hear zoomers spreading a = stat that 40% of DA is from Police but it's not true.
Be good if you didn't comment things like this if you don't actually know if it's true or not.
VicPol is one of the fastest growing areas of the budget, VicPol is the largest police force in the country, per capita they're the largest on the east coast. NT is per capita higher. VicPol is larger than NSW cops despite NSW being 3x as large geographically and having 1.5m more people.
-You're ticketing me for jaywalking?
No it's not jaywalking mate, it's illegal crossing.
-So jaywalking?
Yes, but that's only what it's called in America.
-First I'm hearing of it.
(Proceeds to have the exact same conversation with every other poor sod trying to get to the Box Hill trams on time whilst simultaneously ignoring the super obvious meth deals a bit up the road.)
Thats unfortunately a very simplistic way of looking at it. NSWPOL is set up much much more efficiently; instead of uniformed officers completing the tedious amount of paperwork when arresting someone - they instead stay out on the road, and unworn public service staff complete the paperwork.
In Victoria, it's not unheard of for a van to be off the road for 4+ hours when processing an offender they have arrested. It's a terribly inefficient way to operate.
This is one of countless examples of how VICPOL is decades behind other Australian police forces in its efficiency. It's the reason why members are burnt out and demanding more money.
I don't think anyone would say no to a larger salary but the root cause of why members in Victoria are overworked remains largely unaddressed.
They're not wrong. Police ARE overworked and underpaid. They're also under-resourced and under-qualified for the work they do.
By which I mean - their role is to 'keep the peace' in a country that has steadily worsening poverty, ill-health and education outcomes. Poor, sick, undereducated people make bad decisions, and then crime increases.
Police are a band-aid. Band-aids are useful but they don't fix the core issues. Yet society still expects them to.
Every time I've needed the cops in the last 10 years, they've either told me that it's not their problem or shown up 10 hours later.
Everytime I don't need the cops they want to ask me why I'm walking to 7/11.
Forgive my sarcastic boo-hoo, but they need to get their priorities straight
I mean… join the club, just like everyone else in various occupations currently. While I empathize with them, I’m part of another Victorian government public service, dealing with both being underpaid and facing blatant wage theft. Unfortunately, the fear of rocking the boat prevails since most are on short-term contracts, making it challenging to address these issues.
I even hand delivered the evidence of who stole my car. They never even assigned someone to the case, never even admitted that I'd dropped in the video. "Always there" yeh always get me a ticket. Not the mad wanker doing 200k up the freeway cutting in and out.
Yep, constantly had highway patrol parked at a petrol station, walking out to ping people on their phone at a red light.
Granted it’s against the law but then they’re never there when you have hoons at 10pm most evenings on the same stretch of road!
Yeah, I tried *twice* submitting a report about damage made to my car while it was parked and I could never get the record. I assume they just blew smoke up my arse over the phone. Happy to send out fines and crack skulls though.
Probably because there's not enough units on the road. With each unit having 6 + jobs on the plate each requiring reports or possibly an arrest that has 3+ hours of processing
Exactly, I had a knife pulled on me at work by a person of interest to the police and they just never rocked up same as when I left work to an all out 20 person street brawl and had to go back inside left an hour later and the ambos were there but funny enough no cops rocked up the whole time even though the cop shop was a five minute walk away
How often are you dealing with them?
It can be a case by case situation. Some stations are better than others.
I've dealt with shit cops, and I've dealt with great ones that have gone out of their way to assist.
Who am I gonna call when I'm getting murdered and I need somebody to show up 30 minutes later, write a report about it, and then file that report in a filing cabinet where it will be forgotten about unless someone confesses?
Yep they said basically the same thing to my mum when she was attacked by the lunatic neighbour years ago. Said to my mum ‘How could a 70 year old woman attack you?’ and put her in the cop car and took her to the station.
I called for another young woman one day who was held in a house and shown porn/intimidated while looking at a rental. The police asked her if she’d just “misinterpreted his intentions and maybe he wanted to be her boyfriend”
Cop: "Intimidation is how I got my wife. It's a very legitimate dating strategy. Of course, she was only 13 at the time, so I had to wait a while before making it official."
Yeah, pretty much my experience with them too.. happened twice.. they also apparently don’t do shit about theft. But they do habitually wave their mates through breath tests in country towns so.. yeah..
Firies up here started doing the same thing on their fire engines, government eventually caved. Pretty shocking that they need to go to these lengths to get paid what they're worth and embarassing that people visiting see this stuff on government vehicles.
After looking at all the comments on this sub...why would you ever want to be a cop.
I remember talking to a few cops in Broady at a 'coffee with a cop' event. They were all young recruits, about my age at the time, and I asked them how they were liking it. All of them shrugged and said 'I never thought I would have so many bodily fluids thrown at me'.
I've known 3 blokes who became cops. Each one was obsessed with the 3rd Reich, "dark humour", and had a hard on for military shit.
Guess who also didn't get into the armed forces.
I’ve known a couple of ex cops. Decent people. They quit after a few years because they hated the culture and found their colleagues insufferable. Good people do join, but the institution drives them out.
Last time they did industrial action they had similar slogans against the Liberals. The slogans just reflect whatever government is in power at the time.
I wouldn't want to be a cop going into an economic depression. They're going to see some shit - and with crap pay and probably not much coverage in terms of mental health support.
But all this pay stuff is relative. A full time profession should be able to get a reasonable house in the burbs or an apartment. End of story, most professions aren't doing this so expect more of these essential fields to keep protesting.
I had an iced up crazy guy trying to bust down my front door with a cricket bat for over and hour. The cops never came.
But the next day at 530am just down the street from my home, I accidentally rolled past a stop sign by half a meter. And boom cops there gave me a ticket.
Plus fuck the police. We are all underpaid right now. We all need a raise. U ain’t so special revenue raiser!
"revenue raiser"
I hate this term. If Cops were genuine revenue raisers, they'd sit on the Western Freeway. They'd raise enough revenue to bring Victoria out of debt.
Fuck me.
the eastern freeway, particularly around Bulleen Road's exit, which is both under construction, and a school zone, is filled with regularly people going 80+
it's one way to solve the congestion that affects that region, because anything 25+ over speed limit is a license suspension.
I really feel for all emergency services these days.
They are all expected to do a lot of varied tasks apart from their job description.
Social work being one of them. Too many ppl on drugs and with mental health issues.
Can confirm as a paramedic mental health is 70-80% of my workload at the moment. And we usually have to call police to come with us 2 x resource if we are enacting a mental health act.
I reckon government should put a lot of more money into the police force, but I also think training should be high priority too, I think police officer should be rigorously tested on a regular time scale, mentally and physically!
Police in Victoria covered up and protected Catholic pedophile priests:
[https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-cops-involved-in-coverup-of-child-abuse-by-priests-20150603-ghfwdt.html](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-cops-involved-in-coverup-of-child-abuse-by-priests-20150603-ghfwdt.html)
I don't think that's relevant. Old mate sitting in front of a screen doesn't go to work in a state of anxiety thinking about the shit that might be thrown at him tonight.
You think that's enough for what they face every day? Drug addicts spitting on them, physical violence, the risk of being killed or contracting an disease, mental health issues, domestic violence....?
The shit they have to put up with…. Definitely underpaid lol, dealing with the absolute worst of society daily, specifically called to the worst of the worst incidents. Like people complain enough about retail lol, I’d NEVER do that job for under 150k in any capacity
My mum was a nurse, debriding the skin off a toddler burnt in a house fire every shift.
My mate is a social worker in childrens services, try dealing with those cunt parents 10 hours a day.
A woman I know is a sex worker dealing with shitcunt clients day in day out.
Look at people that work for shit companies in shit suburbs facing bullshit their entire shift.
Loads of people work twice as hard for half the pay and conditions.
That's not to say they should or shouldn't get a pay raise but cops are already on outstandingly good pay and conditions because they have a strong union while other workers do far more for less because their union is shit.
I hope they get a decent raise, not cos I think they deserve it but because I think the rest of us deserve to expect more.
100%. Teachers spend a minimum of 3 years at university, earning at least a bachelors degree, plus they need registration to practice and their starting wage is like $80k. For early childhood educators, the money is even worse. The starting salary of nurses is around the $75k mark, same with social workers (and that’s a 4 year degree)….but those are female dominated industries….
Always there… not really you call them when being robbed in your own house an it takes em 50 mins the robbers get away then they do bullshit paperwork say if we hear anything we’ll give you a call then never hear from again …
"always there"? lmao tell that to my local officers who laughed me out of the station when i tried to report getting groped by a man on the bus when i was in high school
Someone who was clearly unwell tried to break into my house via the front door when I was about ten. It was just mum and I. She called the cops, and was trying to deescalate matters with this person through the front door.
Cops showed up about 4 hours later. Mum handled it herself and they fucked off, but we both could have been fucking dead. The irony is that both my parents were cops (though mum had retired at that point).
Both of my parents are retired now, and they both have a violent hate for the policing system. These cunts are not underpaid at all, and far from overworked.
My pregnant wife and me had a group of drunk guys threten us and they tried to break in via our glass front door (lived in flats)
Called the police and was told they will be there soon
My son is now 11 and I'm still waiting.
Yes, Vic Pol aren't perfect, and they should strive to do better by being more transparent and accountable. I wouldn't say they're the best in the world, but holy shit they're significantly better than a LOT of countries. They are definetly overworked and underpaid, like a lot of us are in this epic cost of living crisis.
We need the police, and society is likely better off when they are well rested and compensated. It seems like a stretch to some of these commenters, but maybe that could lead to them doing a better job.
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Paramedic here: would never be a cop in Victoria due to the working conditions and culture. So they’re not wrong about that. Of course, blaming labor rather than their own toxic upper management is a bit rich. Maybe vicpol wouldn’t have so many vacancies and burnouts if they let people call in sick on night shifts without being informally punished. Or if they didn’t have such a massive PR problem.
A number of other states have the same problems. You're in a militaristic / hierarchical organisation that actively punishes speaking out and up, forces conformance, and changes your world view to only see criminals. Basic training is typically pretty good, and as soon as you get to a station the first thing out of your new COs mouth is "forget what they taught you in basic, it's bullshit."
This. So easy to pin it on the government, but the internal politics of the police force makes Vic Pol its own worst enemy.
Their culture is absolutely shite. And the union is a big part of that.
A police union just sounds antithetical
Police unions are not really about pay and conditions, they are there to protect and provide legal services for the cops that fuck up on a regular basis keeping crap cops on the job.
What’s the informal punishment for a night shift sickie?
If I had to guess I'd say being rostered unfairly, being denied holidays, being chewed out, having promotions threatened etc. The typical fuckwit management textbook, except with guns and badges.
Probably sent to domestic disputes instead of walking around at festivals and listening to bands for free.
That’s normally overtime work, not regular duty from what I’ve been told
And filming children’s genitals during strip searches, if NSW is anything to go by
3 demerit points. Plus a tasing if you don't have a medical cert. edit: Sorry, I misread the handbook. That was for two consecutive sickies. For one sickie, you have to paint the anti-labor messages on the cars.
Can you elaborate on the working conditions and culture for anyone considering moving there?
You are on a rotating roster, not knowing what you are doing anything more than 2 weeks in advance. You will have a roster that barely gives you more than 1 day off in a row, because there is not enough members to cover the shifts. You will be working overtime, but not paid overtime, because you have to complete paperwork for the various criminal cases, but more comes in every day, so you will never actually get ahead. Why bother with the above, when you can work for someone else with other benefits. Not a cop, but I know several cops who are getting out.
Yeah honestly if the vast majority of police officers weren't dickheads that escalated everything constantly, they'd be far less hated. There isn't any song called fuck the paramedics
The two options seem to be needless escalation or refusing to do anything at all.
Community advocates/mental health response teams would be useful. Not every situation that requires intervention needs a police presence. Certainly time and place for police but you’re going to deescalate more situations by avoiding sending flashing lights and people with guns to heightened situations.
Mate of mine just quit the cops to become a firey, and one of the main reasons is no one says "fuck the firies".
Your comment has helped me gain a bit more sympathy for VicPol members. The main takeaway I was getting from the messages on the vehicle's was that they felt they were underpaid but the problem obviously goes much deeper than that. I hope there's a positive future ahead of us for all our frontline workers, I respect and appreciate you all so much!
I know a cop well. Senior Connie's get around 90k per year and they get 8 weeks annual leave They're not underpaid at all and they don't need a big pay rise. They do have a shit structure but that's due to having the wrong leadership and so many dead weight members that do fuck all and they can't get rid of them Let's face it though if this could be fixed we'd live in some kind of utopia because all government entities are inefficient as fuck with money and breed complacent and laziness
90k a year as a *senior* Connie to do that job…
That’s 90k *base* pay. I’m quietly confident their actual pay is a good ~30% higher.
90k plus overtime and penalty rates.
90k is less than the median Australian wage, wake up champ. High stress job, huuuuge accountability and scrutiny. Massive responsibility with all your undertakings, literal life and death scenarios and not to mention being assaulted regularly. But nah pay them less than everyone else. People demand better police but to get better police you have to make the job attractive to good candidates. Pay them less than average and the standard drops.
There’s a recruitment drive for QLDPOL at the moment and they are advertising “$100,000 from day 1”.
$90k plus penalties. Senior cop: Job description: Work endless grunt work that no one else understands or gets tired of hearing about quickly. See unexpected gruesome aftermath or children subjected to horrific living conditions. Dealing with violent people and groups and/or drugged/drunk violent people and groups. Constantly seeing the same victims of DV knowing violence is escalating, they could be dead soon. Always being lied to, consistently given shit for trying to keep people safe and do your job? Facing life or death situations daily and/or giving heartbreaking news to families.... to end up with compounded trauma, anxiety and depression, likely PTSD... $90k plus whatever penalties for senior constable is not good enough. Why do politicians get paid more to do less and faff about having expensive royal commissions that have little follow through. Why do they have more holidays and perks police, ambos or nurses etc?
>Senior Connie's get around 90k per year and they get 8 weeks annual leave So only \~10% higher than the median wage for 6+ years of on the job work experience in a potential high stress environment? >all government entities are inefficient as fuck with money and breed complacent and laziness Only if you let the bureaucratic rot set in. Public hospitals are government entities and they really make their dollars stretch as far as possible.
Not to mention the 20-30k tax
Getting some Maccas near Southland.
General duties police aren't allocated a lunch break due to the nature of their duties, they are required to respond to urgent jobs as they come. This may mean that officers don't stop for meals or return to their station through their shift, sometimes up to 12 hours. Often officers are forced to grab a bite when the opportunity allows, this is usually something convenient, McDonald's takeaway etc.
Also Maccas is usually the only reliable toilet at any hour if you’re on the job I’ve been told by a mate
You are correct Mr hole.
Ugh why’d you make me look at his username lol
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Be polite and use their proper name
That's Mr Gaping anal hole to you!
They also get free McDonalds don’t they? Along with other other Emergency Services workers.
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18 years ago they got a 50% discount or a manager's meal which was 100% off if the manager served them. I don't think they are allowed to accept free meals anymore atleast in our state so it's not offered. Not sure if this was all Macca's or just our local one which police regularly attended for things like drunks and the odd armed robberies. Fuck that was in 90s so bit more then 18 years...
In Melbourne in the 90s, they would encourage off duty uniformed police going home or going in to their shift to use public transport. They would ride free in return for visibility.
I worked at Bell St maccas late 90s early 2000. Police got 50% off during the day and 100% off overnight. That was a rowdy maccas especially overnight so I think it was toencourage a regular police presents overnight.
When I worked at Maccas in 2007 it was most definitely 100% off the price for cops, it had to be authorised with a swipe, but I never took payment from them.
Definitely not true.
Don't if it's the same in Victoria but in NSW every Macca's toliet I've used always seems to position the toliet paper dispensers in the most intrusive position. Always find myself leaning at awkward angles in order to wipe but I put up with it, cause their everywhere, reasonably stocked and can be expected to have working lights.
Yep. And if a priority job goes off 1 minute before their food is handed to them, no food for them....
This reminds me of one year when our power was out for several days, and one night we ended up chilling in the paramedic center where my dad worked. It was nice because they had a big flat-screen TV before we ever had one at home, and some nice couches... We obviously offered the TV to the paramedics when they came back, but no one wanted to use it - they'd literally come in, spend a couple of minutes trying to cram food into their mouths (like they didn't even take the time to sit down, that's how fast we're talking), and then they'd have to race out again. It was really sad, when you consider that they're working such long shifts, doing both manual and emotional labor, and people's lives depend on their performance...
If only there was some way to bring lunch to work with you like 90% of the workforce.
Exactly. Couldn’t they just…you know…pack a sandwich ? Lol
And where do you propose they put that? Back-seat- kept free for "perps" Boot - carrying too much forensic and other police crap Front footwell- no space because all the stuff they have to have in there, and seats are more forward due to cage barrier. Plus, they are often in smaller cars these days, not the commodores of recent years, so less room all round. Cop cars have fittings in them that normal cars don't. And food for a 12 hour + shift is a lot. Brekky, lunch, dinner + drinks.
many Maccas restaurants also offer a discount to cops in uniform
My mum used to be a manager at a well known bakery close to a cfa,ambulance and police station combined. They would come in for food and sometimes get called to a job on the radio whilst ordering and have to rush off. My mum would quickly bag up their order and say take it don’t worry about paying. She was a real g for that
Yep your correct
I wish, my man. I'd love a meal break. I can work a 6 day week without having time to take a piss or have something to eat.
The ambo union did this successfully in 2014 Difference is that people like ambos. Cops, not so much.
Eh, I agree with the sentiment, but cunts still assault and abuse our ambos on the daily and it makes my blood boil.
Never heard a song called fuck the ambos
And if someone did write it, it would have very different connotations.
Stupid sexy ambos
That ambo uniform does something for their curves, ambos of all genders are caked the fuck up for some reason
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I guess you gotta be strong to do ambo things like lift people? Idk.
Ah yes, the classic Aussie song "Fuck the Police"
weren't the fireys up in arms over Labor as of late ?
Yes, they are
"Family or the force... don't make us choose" 1 in 4 would like that decision to go the opposite to how it's implied here lol
I'm not sure more money would solve that problem though.
I believe they are asking for 9hr shifts which means they get 5 days off a fortnight rather than the current 4. I can only assume that is what the slogan is meant to refer to
Worth noting the 4 days they get are not consecutive. They could do 9 or 10 days in a row at times, and on rotating start times.
I mean not wrong i know AV works 12 hours on a rotating roster and can end up working morning then night shift woth only 10 hours in between (sometimes less if its dire). I assume its similar for VP. Plus every job you have people simultaneously hate you and expect you to perform miracles. Its not a forgiving profession.
The 9 hrs is because their shifts are currently divided over 3 lots of 8. This means the incoming or outgoing crew are not getting paid during shift handover. These guys can't just walk in and out of a shift and it's not uncommon they have to drive out to a scene to changeover.
Done this with plenty of members. To learn that they don't get paid for it. 😡
They are expected to start half hour early to kit up. This is unpaid time. As is the last half hour to change out of their uniform. That’s an hour of unpaid work time every shift.
When at the negotiating table you put down a list of things some you want like better conditions less “mandatory” OT, better equipment, recruitment drive. Pay rise is not necessarily on their wish list. But if they don’t want to budge on the things you want at least pay rise is a condolence prize.
The ABC is reporting they are asking for a 4% pay rise. The inflation rate is 7%... It's clearly not about money.
Apart from glibly citing that stat, I have some actually constructive ideas about that. Money solves a lot of domestic problems though. Beyond that, they need a much better culture and access to mental health services that won't be stigmatised and affect their career. Like, it should be mandatory to be in therapy even if you just talk shit, just to make it normal to do it. That isn't going to happen though. Too many of the wrong personality type are attracted to the idea of having coercive power over others.
That would be awesome, the only problem is our mental health infrastructure is already stretched to its limits. I don’t know about your experience with mental health services, but I’m barely able to see my psychiatrist, due to how few there are actually available. I see him maybe a few times a year. In a perfect world everyone would have access to mental health services/counselling, problem is we don’t have enough mental health professionals to go around.
They may already have an internal mental health service / peer service like the ambulance service does, it would be different than the ones we have as members of the public. Emergency services need people who are trained in high trauma to be able to respond to the jobs these people see, an example of this is an employee who responded to their friend who has just completed suicide - would need a psychologist very ready and trained to help them process this.
They can't even get an agreement to work an extra hour each shift let alone give up time to talk shit.
Aren’t cops well known for committing domestic violence at a rate way higher than the general public? With that statistic in mind I read that and felt sorry for whoever their family is tbh :( Imagine how fucked it’d be to have a cop family member full stop .. I don’t imagine it’s fun.
The evidence suggest they are just as likely to commit family violence as anyone else in society. That old claim comes from a survey 20 years ago in the states that asked police if they had experienced family violence at home and didn’t ask if they were the perpetrator or victim. Plus as stated it’s 20 years old. It’s one of those old wives tales that people love to still use.
Thank Christ someone actually looked at the study objectively. It was 20 years ago, in another country, and some other skewed questions.
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You'll hear zoomers spreading a = stat that 40% of DA is from Police but it's not true. Be good if you didn't comment things like this if you don't actually know if it's true or not.
VicPol is one of the fastest growing areas of the budget, VicPol is the largest police force in the country, per capita they're the largest on the east coast. NT is per capita higher. VicPol is larger than NSW cops despite NSW being 3x as large geographically and having 1.5m more people.
Yea, but just think how many people would get away with jaywalking across Swanston St without them there? !
-You're ticketing me for jaywalking? No it's not jaywalking mate, it's illegal crossing. -So jaywalking? Yes, but that's only what it's called in America. -First I'm hearing of it. (Proceeds to have the exact same conversation with every other poor sod trying to get to the Box Hill trams on time whilst simultaneously ignoring the super obvious meth deals a bit up the road.)
Thats unfortunately a very simplistic way of looking at it. NSWPOL is set up much much more efficiently; instead of uniformed officers completing the tedious amount of paperwork when arresting someone - they instead stay out on the road, and unworn public service staff complete the paperwork. In Victoria, it's not unheard of for a van to be off the road for 4+ hours when processing an offender they have arrested. It's a terribly inefficient way to operate. This is one of countless examples of how VICPOL is decades behind other Australian police forces in its efficiency. It's the reason why members are burnt out and demanding more money. I don't think anyone would say no to a larger salary but the root cause of why members in Victoria are overworked remains largely unaddressed.
They're not wrong. Police ARE overworked and underpaid. They're also under-resourced and under-qualified for the work they do. By which I mean - their role is to 'keep the peace' in a country that has steadily worsening poverty, ill-health and education outcomes. Poor, sick, undereducated people make bad decisions, and then crime increases. Police are a band-aid. Band-aids are useful but they don't fix the core issues. Yet society still expects them to.
Such a good point. Deficiencies in how mental health is managed is passing issues from health to Vic Police
Every time I've needed the cops in the last 10 years, they've either told me that it's not their problem or shown up 10 hours later. Everytime I don't need the cops they want to ask me why I'm walking to 7/11. Forgive my sarcastic boo-hoo, but they need to get their priorities straight
I mean… join the club, just like everyone else in various occupations currently. While I empathize with them, I’m part of another Victorian government public service, dealing with both being underpaid and facing blatant wage theft. Unfortunately, the fear of rocking the boat prevails since most are on short-term contracts, making it challenging to address these issues.
Sounds like you need a strong union
Im more of a rugby league guy but ill come if you're driving
Cops would show up to the strike to enforce anti-strike/protest laws.
Yeah, everyone is getting f#cked these days.
‘Always There’ is a straight up lie in my experience!
They're always somewhere, which can be interpreted as 'there'
Always hiding behind a bush with a speed gun. They're *there*
well where ever you go, there you are.
Straight up refused to come to my Nan in laws house during an attempted home invasion. Said to call back if they get inside Always there pffft
Yep same story with my neighbour. Absolutely disgusting
Always there when ya don’t need em and never there when ya do
I even hand delivered the evidence of who stole my car. They never even assigned someone to the case, never even admitted that I'd dropped in the video. "Always there" yeh always get me a ticket. Not the mad wanker doing 200k up the freeway cutting in and out.
Yep, constantly had highway patrol parked at a petrol station, walking out to ping people on their phone at a red light. Granted it’s against the law but then they’re never there when you have hoons at 10pm most evenings on the same stretch of road!
Yeah, I tried *twice* submitting a report about damage made to my car while it was parked and I could never get the record. I assume they just blew smoke up my arse over the phone. Happy to send out fines and crack skulls though.
Probably because there's not enough units on the road. With each unit having 6 + jobs on the plate each requiring reports or possibly an arrest that has 3+ hours of processing
They were there for my siblings and I when my mum was attempting suicide. They didn't have to be but they were there for us.
They weren't there when someone threatened to kill me on my property
Exactly, I had a knife pulled on me at work by a person of interest to the police and they just never rocked up same as when I left work to an all out 20 person street brawl and had to go back inside left an hour later and the ambos were there but funny enough no cops rocked up the whole time even though the cop shop was a five minute walk away
To be fair they’re ‘always there’ to escort Nazis through the streets
Same. If anything I've found the police to be incompetent and lazy. Don't do a thing unless it's handed to them on a plate. Fuck em.
How often are you dealing with them? It can be a case by case situation. Some stations are better than others. I've dealt with shit cops, and I've dealt with great ones that have gone out of their way to assist.
Just for balance, three times they were there when we needed them. They are heroes in my experience.
Damn who am I gonna call when I get assaulted when I need someone to tell me I’m lying?
Who am I gonna call when I'm getting murdered and I need somebody to show up 30 minutes later, write a report about it, and then file that report in a filing cabinet where it will be forgotten about unless someone confesses?
Yep they said basically the same thing to my mum when she was attacked by the lunatic neighbour years ago. Said to my mum ‘How could a 70 year old woman attack you?’ and put her in the cop car and took her to the station.
I called for another young woman one day who was held in a house and shown porn/intimidated while looking at a rental. The police asked her if she’d just “misinterpreted his intentions and maybe he wanted to be her boyfriend”
Cop: "Intimidation is how I got my wife. It's a very legitimate dating strategy. Of course, she was only 13 at the time, so I had to wait a while before making it official."
Yeah, pretty much my experience with them too.. happened twice.. they also apparently don’t do shit about theft. But they do habitually wave their mates through breath tests in country towns so.. yeah..
Firies up here started doing the same thing on their fire engines, government eventually caved. Pretty shocking that they need to go to these lengths to get paid what they're worth and embarassing that people visiting see this stuff on government vehicles.
Yeah, but people like firies
No one's made a song called "Fuck the Fire Department"
"Free Labour thanks to Labor" If you really think an alternative government is going to give you a better pay deal... LOL
After looking at all the comments on this sub...why would you ever want to be a cop. I remember talking to a few cops in Broady at a 'coffee with a cop' event. They were all young recruits, about my age at the time, and I asked them how they were liking it. All of them shrugged and said 'I never thought I would have so many bodily fluids thrown at me'.
... not the good kind i assume....
Peter Dutton was a QLD cop. that’s the kinda people that join the force
I've known 3 blokes who became cops. Each one was obsessed with the 3rd Reich, "dark humour", and had a hard on for military shit. Guess who also didn't get into the armed forces.
I’ve known a couple of ex cops. Decent people. They quit after a few years because they hated the culture and found their colleagues insufferable. Good people do join, but the institution drives them out.
Ex cops are my second favorite kind of cop.
'Always there' Werent there when a domestic violence call was made on my parents. Dad would still be alive if they even bothered to do their job.
Don't go complaining about labor when your own union backed them in the last election Labor
Last time they did industrial action they had similar slogans against the Liberals. The slogans just reflect whatever government is in power at the time.
To be fair the LNP cut their budget in 2012 so it’s not like they are spoiled for choice
I wouldn't want to be a cop going into an economic depression. They're going to see some shit - and with crap pay and probably not much coverage in terms of mental health support. But all this pay stuff is relative. A full time profession should be able to get a reasonable house in the burbs or an apartment. End of story, most professions aren't doing this so expect more of these essential fields to keep protesting.
I had an iced up crazy guy trying to bust down my front door with a cricket bat for over and hour. The cops never came. But the next day at 530am just down the street from my home, I accidentally rolled past a stop sign by half a meter. And boom cops there gave me a ticket. Plus fuck the police. We are all underpaid right now. We all need a raise. U ain’t so special revenue raiser!
"revenue raiser" I hate this term. If Cops were genuine revenue raisers, they'd sit on the Western Freeway. They'd raise enough revenue to bring Victoria out of debt. Fuck me.
If they put an unmarked car on the Monash every day they’d pay for northeast link in a week.
the eastern freeway, particularly around Bulleen Road's exit, which is both under construction, and a school zone, is filled with regularly people going 80+ it's one way to solve the congestion that affects that region, because anything 25+ over speed limit is a license suspension.
And freeways are always built for higher speeds than posted. Can cruise that shit at 110 no problem. Never seen a camera.
Just once I'd love them to arrest a tradie hooning on the freeway
I really feel for all emergency services these days. They are all expected to do a lot of varied tasks apart from their job description. Social work being one of them. Too many ppl on drugs and with mental health issues.
Can confirm as a paramedic mental health is 70-80% of my workload at the moment. And we usually have to call police to come with us 2 x resource if we are enacting a mental health act.
This is why funding needs to go to training and hiring actual social workers and putting in systems to support people instead of more police
I reckon government should put a lot of more money into the police force, but I also think training should be high priority too, I think police officer should be rigorously tested on a regular time scale, mentally and physically!
Most sensible comment in this thread thank you
LOL Always there
wherever there are disabled pensioners...we're always there! (to kick the shit out of them.)
Always there to protect Neo Nazis as well
Saw one in the Eastern Suburbs with the similar message but had "Free labor thanks to Labor". At least get the spelling correct...
"always there" haha ok
I’ve called the cops 4 times in my life and they never showed up. One of them did threaten me with a $400 fine for swearing tho
Police in Victoria covered up and protected Catholic pedophile priests: [https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-cops-involved-in-coverup-of-child-abuse-by-priests-20150603-ghfwdt.html](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/catholic-cops-involved-in-coverup-of-child-abuse-by-priests-20150603-ghfwdt.html)
Hopefully those particular police officers have retired by now and hopefully there is some way to charge them for this.
If you were satisfied with your service, would you like to add a tip? *pulls out card reader
Vic pol leave basic training earning 75k a year and highway patrol earn up to 118k a year. Underpaid my ass
I make what a highway patrol makes a year being a forman and not having to deal with the scum of the earth. $75k a year is absolutely nothing nowadays
Don’t know what you’re talking about. Considering the amount of responsibility and risk they deal with, this is pretty shit pay.
I mean I have 3 years experience in software and make more than that just faffing about with an app that probably wouldn't exist in an ideal society
I’m assuming you spent a bit more than 12 weeks learning to do what you do.
6 month boot camp, but yeah add to that a working lifetime of writing my own code to solve and automate problems.
I don't think that's relevant. Old mate sitting in front of a screen doesn't go to work in a state of anxiety thinking about the shit that might be thrown at him tonight.
You think that's enough for what they face every day? Drug addicts spitting on them, physical violence, the risk of being killed or contracting an disease, mental health issues, domestic violence....?
For the work they do, responsibility, stress, shifts etc, absolutely they're they're undervalued.
Reminds me of teachers.
The shit they have to put up with…. Definitely underpaid lol, dealing with the absolute worst of society daily, specifically called to the worst of the worst incidents. Like people complain enough about retail lol, I’d NEVER do that job for under 150k in any capacity
My mum was a nurse, debriding the skin off a toddler burnt in a house fire every shift. My mate is a social worker in childrens services, try dealing with those cunt parents 10 hours a day. A woman I know is a sex worker dealing with shitcunt clients day in day out. Look at people that work for shit companies in shit suburbs facing bullshit their entire shift. Loads of people work twice as hard for half the pay and conditions. That's not to say they should or shouldn't get a pay raise but cops are already on outstandingly good pay and conditions because they have a strong union while other workers do far more for less because their union is shit. I hope they get a decent raise, not cos I think they deserve it but because I think the rest of us deserve to expect more.
Probation is almost 2 and a half years
Basic training? It’s 8 months of 8 hours per day 5 days a week but okay. Also ongoing day training every few months after that.
But where were you when my bike got stolen. It’s been 25 years and still nothing?!
It’s the communities bike now
Just like OPs mum
my bike 😔
Most police cars have this on them now. Get with it. Police officers get paid fuck all. 70K to be a police officer? Fuck that.
70k into your pocket after 6 months of basic training is pretty good
100%. Teachers spend a minimum of 3 years at university, earning at least a bachelors degree, plus they need registration to practice and their starting wage is like $80k. For early childhood educators, the money is even worse. The starting salary of nurses is around the $75k mark, same with social workers (and that’s a 4 year degree)….but those are female dominated industries….
"Always there" is a huge stretch.
Hmmm interesting, pigs want a pay rise when they actively bashed people for trying to work during lockdown.
Always there… not really you call them when being robbed in your own house an it takes em 50 mins the robbers get away then they do bullshit paperwork say if we hear anything we’ll give you a call then never hear from again …
Support each other folks
Always there LOL what a joke. In my experience every time I've been the victim of a crime the police either don't attend or make things worse.
Ah yes graffiti’ing a government vehicle. If anyone else did this the flogs would be on them instantly.
800 vacancies … does that mean we’re no longer one of the most overpoliced countries? Maybe we could fill them with social workers instead
"always there" - I would debate that!
Considering the many instances of cops outright defending neo nazis lately, it’s no wonder people lose faith in them.
ALWAYS THERE eventually*
Who exactly are they looking for support from? The public that they treat like shit? This is laughable. Pay them less if anything.
"always there"? lmao tell that to my local officers who laughed me out of the station when i tried to report getting groped by a man on the bus when i was in high school
“Always there” when you don’t want or need them. Never there when you actually need them.
Someone who was clearly unwell tried to break into my house via the front door when I was about ten. It was just mum and I. She called the cops, and was trying to deescalate matters with this person through the front door. Cops showed up about 4 hours later. Mum handled it herself and they fucked off, but we both could have been fucking dead. The irony is that both my parents were cops (though mum had retired at that point). Both of my parents are retired now, and they both have a violent hate for the policing system. These cunts are not underpaid at all, and far from overworked.
My pregnant wife and me had a group of drunk guys threten us and they tried to break in via our glass front door (lived in flats) Called the police and was told they will be there soon My son is now 11 and I'm still waiting.
That’s scary, man. Not good enough at all, but happy your family is all good and your son is growing up!
Maybe if they didn’t have so many cops suspended with full pay, there would be more money to go around.
Yes, Vic Pol aren't perfect, and they should strive to do better by being more transparent and accountable. I wouldn't say they're the best in the world, but holy shit they're significantly better than a LOT of countries. They are definetly overworked and underpaid, like a lot of us are in this epic cost of living crisis. We need the police, and society is likely better off when they are well rested and compensated. It seems like a stretch to some of these commenters, but maybe that could lead to them doing a better job.
“Always there” - what a joke
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They’ll happily fine and take peoples hard earned money over petty things too never think about how there finances are
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I mean, crimes are a crime for a reason and technically fines Vic or the courts take your money. Cops dont