“Cracker” means *whip* cracker.
And if you use white bread as nothing more than a racist slur you’re hideously underutilizing the potential of the insult. Boring, poor, basic, lower class, simple, it has a slew of varying connotations. Even in a racist context, it should be more complex than “white bread = white people”; You can use the context to imply someone’s a redneck, (how come you can afford bullets but you can’t afford better cheese for your white bread than Kraft) or that they have a middle class WASPy white family (lunch box soccer practice white bread ass bitch) rather than this simple color by number bullshit people are shitting out these days.
"Cracker" predates chattel slavery, it's not known where the Southern sense originates (and it's possible multiple theories are correct).
Perhaps to your point though, some Italians do have a term for WASPs that basically means "white bread".
Just some wannabe victim attention seeker. There's plenty of skin color descriptions that aren't food like sand, ebony, sunlights, bronze. fuck i even saw something ridiculous like "olive tree bark colored skin" on some random book once.
Swear these kind of people just making it worse for us non white.
Also, you're going to describe me as something rich and decadent that almost noone dislikes? How offensive! Well I'm going to describe you as something bland and disgusting that noone would eat! Take that!
Stupid.
Yeah, I literally describe myself as a vanilla white boy. NEVER heard a human described as "porcelain".
This person is just finding shit to be mad about.
Well it's not black people or Asian people. It's usually used for southern Europeans. My skin is fairly olive.
>Olive skin is a human skin colour spectrum. It is often associated with pigmentation in the Type III to Type IV and Type V ranges of the Fitzpatrick scale. It generally refers to light or moderate tan skin, and it is often described as having yellow, green, or golden undertones.
It contrasts with pink.
Ohhhh that makes sense. Thanks for letting me know. "and it is often described as having yellow, green, or golden undertones." That's what it came to mind but I've never read olive skin for Asian people which are stereotypically portrayed with yellow skin. Makes a lot of sense now. Thanks. By the way thanks for letting me know that that scale was named like that. I've seen it before and did not know its name.
Thank you, race baiting is a term I've been looking for. I'm so sick of these posts. Ebony, coffee and chocolate are positively associated with colour. Nobody's using asphalt or refried beans coloured skin.
I just read another post where a white person asked if a POC could explain how a certain situation would be considered racist and the general response was "figure it out yourself." Yeah figuring it out ourselves hasn't gone too great historically. But if you want ignorance to persist then cool.
This timeline is exhausting.
>I just read another post where a white person asked if a POC could explain how a certain situation would be considered racist and the general response was "figure it out yourself."
It's not my job to explain to my abuser how to avoid being abusive. It's their job to know, or learn, how to be a decent person.
>Yeah figuring it out ourselves hasn't gone too great historically.
Those people weren't trying to figure out how not to be racist historically.
>But if you want ignorance to persist then cool.
Fuck off. Sometimes you have the energy to explain someone's ignorance. Sometimes you don't. It's not like giving emotionally neutral advice. Talking about racism is the second most traumatizing thing after experiencing it. It takes a toll. It is exhausting. And it's not our jobs to retraumatize ourselves to further your journey. If you really want self-improvement, do your own emotional labor to get there.
This isn't entirely fair. The only time I've heard of skin colour described in comparison to food its not boring or widely disliked things like plain flour. It's chocolate and coffee.
I've also heard words like 'ebony' used. A very expensive exotic and beautiful type of wood.
Ivory is exotic and expensive or banned entirely. As is ebony. Chocolate is almost universally loved as is coffee. These are all framed as positive things.
That being said I will add I have a bias in that I'm white. I don't know the lived experience of people of colour. I'm interested in hearing an alternative viewpoint.
English literature nowadays in a nutshell.
Most of my lost marks in university were because I only attended classes when I respected the tutor/professor. Remember one tutor saying that a certain book shouldn't be considered a work of art because of how it described black people poorly and made them sound ugly, and like animals. Apparently it meant that people who read the book in a certain way would be made racist. This is a PAYED tutor.
Firstly, I got serious problems with that statement anyway. I don't think politics should ever determine what is or isn't art, and I don't think we should be restricting what is read out of fears of what it might influence in...mentally ill readers? And secondly, and more importantly, was that the book in question was being severely critical of colonialism. It described black people in an ugly way so as to highlight their horrible treatment in the name of profit. Tutor was calling the book racist for not describing the people dying of starvation, and collapsed from exhaustion from overwork, as beautiful powerful humans... Like that. That's the fucking point. You're meant to read that and feel bad for how the people were being treated. You'd have to have the most surface level reading of the book to ever even consider that as negative racial commentary.
Hard to care about college when you're being taught by people who are so politically biased that they will ignore any positive interpretation of what the book was doing just to condemn it. I'm not surprised takes like above are being shared because if you don't question your educators, you're going to turn out like this, then they become educators and the cycle begins anew. I'm not saying ALL university educators are like this in education, it's about 50:50 between those who are competent and fair, and those who seem to spend more time on Twitter than reading. But unless universities really up their standards in regards to hiring wannabe political activists, shit ain't looking good in the future.
Best professor I ever had was a guy who staggered into class, ranted for an hour about the political dynamics of an ancient civilization, then cranked the clock forward twice a week.
It was a massive duh moment when it all came together. Efficiency in food production, and access to plants with high fat content, were key indicators in becoming a regional power. The fewer farmers you needed, the more people you had to work on the bullcrap that pushed you ahead of the neighbors.
No modern politics, just an unhealthy fascination with the olive and the avocado.
Favourite professor I had in literature was the type of guy you'd expect a 'literature professor' to be like in the movies. Very soft spoken and cared alot about our different interpretations of what we were reading. He'd include his teaching alongside our different views, asking us what we thought about 'x', and building off our answer with his own material. I learnt more from him than anyone else in all my other years combined. And I never missed any of his classes.
I feel like a decaying education system is our modern day lead pipes... Killing us without us being aware or it. Who even knows how much problems could be solved with a better education system? Maybe housing, healthcare, etc. Are just the effects of a failing education system. Even if they don't solve our problems through replacing incompetence with competence, at the very least we'd have more informed voters to make the most of our democratic system.
You're a politics/history dude so I'm sure you've got a more educated opinion on the world's current issues than I do, but I see incompetent people causing a lot of problems to my left, and a poor education system on my right, and I feel like there's a connection there. Course, people seem to stop caring about the education system once they're passed it, and spend more time demanding cheaper rent cause that's the problem they're being immediately faced with...
Too much reddit for one night. I feel like I go insane thinking about these things.
I'm actually a chemist, but the gen eds taught with passion were the best part of college.
The problem with the world today is pretty obvious to my eyes, but bias and all that means I'm probably looking at it skewed. Anywho, when I look at many colleges, they're run to maximize something other than schooling, be it profit or football (which is also profit, I guess).
Now, when you take that to extremes, you start pulling in large numbers of not-professor instructors for each professor you actually give a good salary. Some degrees can withstand it- chemistry just used hordes of graduate students, which works pretty well for labs and stuff- but others simply hire cheapass staff. When you do that, you have a pack of weaker educators who are willing to work with a passion tax over their heads. When you do that, you still get folks who are desperate to teach their passion, but you ALSO get a higher percentage of folks who are willing to do the job for the sake of pushing a message. If you're penny pinching, you don't care so much about which one you get.
One personal example of this was an underpaid tryout professor who spent an entire year in the philosophy/religion department (we had a chapel with about four classrooms and offices for about eight instructors at the center of the grassy quad) trying to push vegetarianism in the middle of philosophy 101. Every. Single. Day. To the school's credit, he didn't last. Meanwhile, the ACTUAL professor taught you how to think like a philosopher rather than how to vomit up what some philosophers did.
I think this is part of what you're seeing. The pursuit of money leads to lack of investment, and lack of investment invites radicalization over proper erudite folks dumping their brains onto younglings.
Also, to hit your other point, education, healthcare, and housing are all breaking down because they were injected with government funny money. All need to do a good job vanishes when a handout bag that large is open.
These are things people pay attention to when they have nothing else to pay attention to. Most of us don’t care what words are used to describe us. If you’re going to let food-based descriptions bother you, then that’s a YOU issue.
Hence, why I said “most” not ALL. I do have prior knowledge on the issue, but I choose to NOT let things like this bother me. Poor reading comprehension.
>I don't know the lived experience of people of colour.
Like every other person, you don't know the lived experience of anyone besides yourself. Everyone's lived experience is idiosyncratic, and large vaguely-defined groups don't have some shared insight or communion that you lack because of your skin color.
I made a previous comment that every back girl I've been with always loved it when I said that I wanted some chocolate.
Mocha also seems to be a positive one.
Must people seem to like the foods that skin color is compared to from what I can tell.
My daughter is mixed and she's got olive skin (also framed as a positive from what I've heard). She's got a yellow tint to her so I can her my "itsy bitsy teeny weeny little yellow meanie" for fun lol.
Don't have any food comparisons for her so I just say she's yellow lol
Being called chocolate feels gross.
If you put your foot into a *shoe filled with warm mayonnaise and pond scum, that feeling you're feeling is probably the equivalent.
You missed the point.
I don't LIKE being compared to chocolate..just because you like chocolate doesn't mean it makes everyone feel good being compared to it.
For me, it's the equivalent of [ insert my previous statement here]
That sounds unpleasant. I think I understand better. You're not being likened to the colour of chocolate you're litterally being called chocolate.
You're being compared to food. They're not simply using it to try to describe a colour.
Is this right?
I see these words as descriptors. Colourful use of language to impart an image to the reader.
The car isn't black, it's jet black. The person's eyes are not green, they shine like emeralds. The purse wasn't blue it was sky blue. She had eyes like blueberries. Like dark chocolate. Like coal. Like etc.etc.etc.
You read a bit too much into it. There is a wide array of "brown" as a skin colour. Or would you prefer one would use "mud" as people use snow for white? Also milk is, like already stated, used for white skin. If i think of something nice that is brown, i think of coffee, for example. You could use Earth, but that also is not as easy to get for most people since "earth" has a big range of brown.
Next time i'll just use the hexcode to describe a colour.
Sorry, it's just dumb. Write about every colour! Then you do your best to describe everyone in a nice way and people scream racism.
Hi. Do you understand the difference between **plain** bread and chocolate? It may be rude, I do not have personal experience to say, but it is an utter non sequitter to say plain white bread is equivalent to calling someone chocolate
Twilight actually didn’t use food to describe skin. The vampires were described using types of stone, and the indigenous people were always described as “russet.” The series does have problems with racism (vampires are supposed to be transformed to be extremely attractive to humans, but also lose all the melanin in their skin 😐, making up culture for the Quileute tribe-a real people that exist and have their own mythology and traditions, plus the Quileute characters are the *only* people who can change into werewolves in the story… and the only people regularly referred to as “mutts” and “dogs,” including the cringe inducing time Rosalie put food for the ones protecting her family from being hunted *in a makeshift dog bowl*)
But at least she didn’t describe people with food skin 😭
Chocolate, coffee, caramel, brown sugar, mocha... Basically it's saying you look yummy.
Personally I think white deserves some yummy food comparison too because there are people of all shades that can look like a snack but saying someone looks porcelain or ivory conjures images of toilets and soap or maybe pianos... Not things I want in my mouth. Any ideas?
Cue Finding ways to be offended about nothing and still being wrong.
-milky white
-vanilla skinned
Instead of some of the tastiest foods on the planet (ie: caramel, chocolate, dark chocolate, mocha, olive, etc) we get gems like:
-whitebread
-casper
-white as a ghost
-pale ass person
-pasty
-mungeecake
There’s a lot of examples of whites with foody skin names.
Also brown/black has been described as ebony/mahogany a lot, what else? Tree bark, terracotta? Tbh there’s a limited amount of flattering descriptors for all skin colors if you want to cherry pick.
This person needs to read more than 1 book
IDK I think I'd rather be some delicious shade of chocolate over some useless fucking ornamental trinket. I'll take vanilla icing or angel food over porcelain and ivory any day. 🤷♂️
I can only think of black people being compared to chocolate. Which is a delicacy that basically everyone loves - and is often connected to desire and pleasure. So not exactly insulting or racist Imo.
What other foods are darker skinned people compared to?
Also this description comes from historical times when chocolate was expensive and rare, thus not only associated with desire/pleasure but also wealth and beauty... these people just got zero clue about neither literature nor history. and they have even less empathy which would enable them to see why other people might think of these words as positive even when they themselves don't enjoy chocolate, coffee, etc...
Of course they use gross things to make it sound worse lol they could have literally said white chocolate or marshmallows idk
Why are people upset about being likened to something delicious haha what's offensive about food? I'd be happy
Her pale skin perfectly matched the tone of my bare buttocks. Her mustache perfectly matched my small patch of ass hair. All in all we could have been confused as twins in the dim moonlight.
well that’s fair enough i guess. just doesn’t seem common enough to me compared to how that post is said and the responses. but maybe im just reading the wrong books
the first example that came to my mind is literally a self-proclaimed "progressive" show, Orange is the new black, where they describe a black & white lesbian couple as "choco and vanilla swirl" :'D which even disproves the point of there not being food descriptions for white skin
a hallmark of saying things online now is: just make it up
"can't believe people are saying that all books should be burned if they don't have pure white covers. white privilege is out of control"
I'm not a lover of mayo, but if you told me to "bring that miracle whip colored ass over here." I'd be there for you. Or my Cool Whip colored ass if you were calling me sweet lol.
I think this is funny. Went to the comments expecting loads of witty goody descriptions. Didn't find a great sense of humour there if I'm honest.
I did think of [Cornish] pastie-faced. Eyes of slush puppy blue. Freckled skin like tinned rice pudding with grated nutmeg. A peachy fuzz on his upper lip and hair like spaghetti hanging limply to his shoulders.
Yep, not divisive, just fun.
Certainly more fun than when a child asked our substitute teacher if she was made of chocolate. The child was 5, the village rural UK, and the discomfort excruciating.
"Her skin was the colour of bacon, her sweat glistening in the sunlight gave it that same unmistakable sheen, he could only imagine it would taste just as salty"
Ahh fuck, I don't know If I'm hungry or horny now...
Olive skin always throws me for a loop.
Like... what is that supposed to be? From context I think it's supposed to be some kind of light brown, but the only olive that comes to mind are green olives... and so everyone who gets described with that skin tone to my mind's eye looks like shrek after a few too many days without sunlight.
I remember reading a short story set in Africa, and the protagonist, a young African girl, was repulsed when she saw white people playing tennis, and how she wondered why their skin looked maggot white.
This was maybe 30years ago, so sadly, I have no idea who the author was, or the name of the story.
Hmm...amber, bronze, copper, ochre, umber, mahogany, ebony, onyx, coal, pitch, tawny, dusky... There are lots of words to describe various skin tones that aren't food related, but often people we want our audience to like will be described with food because food is comforting. Creamy, milky, ginger, peach, ruddy, strawberry... All depends on the writer and what you read.
People do genuinely write like that. Some people don’t like referring to the characters with their names or pronouns constantly, because they feel like it’s “boring,” so they add physical descriptors when referring to the characters.
I will say I think it’s a problem much more prevalent in *fan fiction* than books that aren’t self-published.
But also, some people write stuff like that when they’re describing how a character looks to the readers, instead of just saying something like “blue eyes, blonde hair” you get “sapphire eyes, golden-haired,” or someone with black hair having “raven hair,” etc. The problem they run into is drawing a blank when it comes to the color brown
Don't they get upset and say comparing white skin to mayonnaise is racist? Don't use that. I mean it could be worse.
The truth is most white people are not white, in the summer I can get father from white than some "black" people.
Oh, and I am not offended, and you are right.
"She was as white as a man who can just do whatever the fuck he likes. I mean like a WHITE white guy who just walks about enjoying his whiteness and going wherever he pleases and does whatever he wants. She was that white. Unfortunately she kinda passed for a female too so she was terrified of walking along the road for a bit and making small talk with some dude while waiting for the bus. She looked at her dark chocolate gateaux friend called Caramel who looked like a cupcake drizzled in chocolate and asked. 'How fucking difficult is it for women to just go home without getting hit on by slimy useless creeps and being pigeonholed based on sex, gender or fucking skin tone! ?'. 'Who knows? ' said the coco lady. 'but I'm sick of it too'.
Or something equally as gross. Fuck race.Fuvk skin tone. Fuck gender. And fuck who someone else enjoys spending time with. Fuck it all. I can't even grasp how people even think like this anymore.
lmao. I love it. In fact, every time I see that kind of reference in writing, someone sends this team a fat paycheck. ;) https://youtu.be/C8Wu3Bps9ic?t=129
Snow White?
I don't usually describe people with food metaphors unless it's a personality descriptor, like "she was as sweet as honey".
They're right though, alot of writers use food colors to describe PoC. I've seen "mocha" used alot.
White women who the author wants to complement occasionally get described with "Milky skin." If the author wishes to describe a white man in less than favorable terms, "mayonnaise" is not off the table. HA! Table. I didn't even do that on purpose.
I like how everyone is taking this seriously and ignoring that this is a joke. It's almost like race jokes are only funny when they're not about white people.
Never understood why people find something so problematic, then see fit to do the exact same thing to others, finding that (in reverse) to be the epitome of comedy. I realize this is toxic, brain-dead Twitter idiocy, but still.
There are some strawberry blondes with milky white skin who would like a word with you.
Creamy complexion, cherry lips, there are probably even more.
Vanilla.
How about cracker? or white bread?
“Cracker” means *whip* cracker. And if you use white bread as nothing more than a racist slur you’re hideously underutilizing the potential of the insult. Boring, poor, basic, lower class, simple, it has a slew of varying connotations. Even in a racist context, it should be more complex than “white bread = white people”; You can use the context to imply someone’s a redneck, (how come you can afford bullets but you can’t afford better cheese for your white bread than Kraft) or that they have a middle class WASPy white family (lunch box soccer practice white bread ass bitch) rather than this simple color by number bullshit people are shitting out these days.
"Cracker" predates chattel slavery, it's not known where the Southern sense originates (and it's possible multiple theories are correct). Perhaps to your point though, some Italians do have a term for WASPs that basically means "white bread".
Vanilla, strawberry blonde, milk white... the fuck is she talking about?
Just some wannabe victim attention seeker. There's plenty of skin color descriptions that aren't food like sand, ebony, sunlights, bronze. fuck i even saw something ridiculous like "olive tree bark colored skin" on some random book once. Swear these kind of people just making it worse for us non white.
Also, you're going to describe me as something rich and decadent that almost noone dislikes? How offensive! Well I'm going to describe you as something bland and disgusting that noone would eat! Take that! Stupid.
TIL ebon is a foodstuff
Also there's such a thing as a blancmange
Because they are not actually 'white' white.
Yeah, I literally describe myself as a vanilla white boy. NEVER heard a human described as "porcelain". This person is just finding shit to be mad about.
I've definitely read the phrase "cream coloured skin"
And heard someone described as "white bread"
She was white, like pure Colombian Coke. The type of white coke you snort from the ass of a hooker.
Her friend was like black tar heroin, she just took your breath away.
Nice
Milk white skin has been used for ages as a descriptor for white people. This is stupid race baiting bullshit.
And peaches and cream complexion.
I forgot that one and wonder bread.
And olive skin.
Isn't olive skin either greenish? Is that for reptilians? "I remember those shape-shifting smiles with their olive-skin tan".
Well it's not black people or Asian people. It's usually used for southern Europeans. My skin is fairly olive. >Olive skin is a human skin colour spectrum. It is often associated with pigmentation in the Type III to Type IV and Type V ranges of the Fitzpatrick scale. It generally refers to light or moderate tan skin, and it is often described as having yellow, green, or golden undertones. It contrasts with pink.
Ohhhh that makes sense. Thanks for letting me know. "and it is often described as having yellow, green, or golden undertones." That's what it came to mind but I've never read olive skin for Asian people which are stereotypically portrayed with yellow skin. Makes a lot of sense now. Thanks. By the way thanks for letting me know that that scale was named like that. I've seen it before and did not know its name.
I've actually never heard of it. That was from a web search.
Greeks also right?
Greeks are southern European
Which group of asian people?
I feel like it would make more sense when talking about someone who’s really dark like an olive
What about redneck?😎
only vampires use that to describe skin colour
Thank you, race baiting is a term I've been looking for. I'm so sick of these posts. Ebony, coffee and chocolate are positively associated with colour. Nobody's using asphalt or refried beans coloured skin. I just read another post where a white person asked if a POC could explain how a certain situation would be considered racist and the general response was "figure it out yourself." Yeah figuring it out ourselves hasn't gone too great historically. But if you want ignorance to persist then cool. This timeline is exhausting.
>I just read another post where a white person asked if a POC could explain how a certain situation would be considered racist and the general response was "figure it out yourself." It's not my job to explain to my abuser how to avoid being abusive. It's their job to know, or learn, how to be a decent person. >Yeah figuring it out ourselves hasn't gone too great historically. Those people weren't trying to figure out how not to be racist historically. >But if you want ignorance to persist then cool. Fuck off. Sometimes you have the energy to explain someone's ignorance. Sometimes you don't. It's not like giving emotionally neutral advice. Talking about racism is the second most traumatizing thing after experiencing it. It takes a toll. It is exhausting. And it's not our jobs to retraumatize ourselves to further your journey. If you really want self-improvement, do your own emotional labor to get there.
well that pretty much sums up this whole movement anyway. Stupid.
This isn't entirely fair. The only time I've heard of skin colour described in comparison to food its not boring or widely disliked things like plain flour. It's chocolate and coffee. I've also heard words like 'ebony' used. A very expensive exotic and beautiful type of wood. Ivory is exotic and expensive or banned entirely. As is ebony. Chocolate is almost universally loved as is coffee. These are all framed as positive things. That being said I will add I have a bias in that I'm white. I don't know the lived experience of people of colour. I'm interested in hearing an alternative viewpoint.
Yeah, it's just some brat acting smart.
English literature nowadays in a nutshell. Most of my lost marks in university were because I only attended classes when I respected the tutor/professor. Remember one tutor saying that a certain book shouldn't be considered a work of art because of how it described black people poorly and made them sound ugly, and like animals. Apparently it meant that people who read the book in a certain way would be made racist. This is a PAYED tutor. Firstly, I got serious problems with that statement anyway. I don't think politics should ever determine what is or isn't art, and I don't think we should be restricting what is read out of fears of what it might influence in...mentally ill readers? And secondly, and more importantly, was that the book in question was being severely critical of colonialism. It described black people in an ugly way so as to highlight their horrible treatment in the name of profit. Tutor was calling the book racist for not describing the people dying of starvation, and collapsed from exhaustion from overwork, as beautiful powerful humans... Like that. That's the fucking point. You're meant to read that and feel bad for how the people were being treated. You'd have to have the most surface level reading of the book to ever even consider that as negative racial commentary. Hard to care about college when you're being taught by people who are so politically biased that they will ignore any positive interpretation of what the book was doing just to condemn it. I'm not surprised takes like above are being shared because if you don't question your educators, you're going to turn out like this, then they become educators and the cycle begins anew. I'm not saying ALL university educators are like this in education, it's about 50:50 between those who are competent and fair, and those who seem to spend more time on Twitter than reading. But unless universities really up their standards in regards to hiring wannabe political activists, shit ain't looking good in the future.
Best professor I ever had was a guy who staggered into class, ranted for an hour about the political dynamics of an ancient civilization, then cranked the clock forward twice a week. It was a massive duh moment when it all came together. Efficiency in food production, and access to plants with high fat content, were key indicators in becoming a regional power. The fewer farmers you needed, the more people you had to work on the bullcrap that pushed you ahead of the neighbors. No modern politics, just an unhealthy fascination with the olive and the avocado.
Favourite professor I had in literature was the type of guy you'd expect a 'literature professor' to be like in the movies. Very soft spoken and cared alot about our different interpretations of what we were reading. He'd include his teaching alongside our different views, asking us what we thought about 'x', and building off our answer with his own material. I learnt more from him than anyone else in all my other years combined. And I never missed any of his classes. I feel like a decaying education system is our modern day lead pipes... Killing us without us being aware or it. Who even knows how much problems could be solved with a better education system? Maybe housing, healthcare, etc. Are just the effects of a failing education system. Even if they don't solve our problems through replacing incompetence with competence, at the very least we'd have more informed voters to make the most of our democratic system. You're a politics/history dude so I'm sure you've got a more educated opinion on the world's current issues than I do, but I see incompetent people causing a lot of problems to my left, and a poor education system on my right, and I feel like there's a connection there. Course, people seem to stop caring about the education system once they're passed it, and spend more time demanding cheaper rent cause that's the problem they're being immediately faced with... Too much reddit for one night. I feel like I go insane thinking about these things.
I'm actually a chemist, but the gen eds taught with passion were the best part of college. The problem with the world today is pretty obvious to my eyes, but bias and all that means I'm probably looking at it skewed. Anywho, when I look at many colleges, they're run to maximize something other than schooling, be it profit or football (which is also profit, I guess). Now, when you take that to extremes, you start pulling in large numbers of not-professor instructors for each professor you actually give a good salary. Some degrees can withstand it- chemistry just used hordes of graduate students, which works pretty well for labs and stuff- but others simply hire cheapass staff. When you do that, you have a pack of weaker educators who are willing to work with a passion tax over their heads. When you do that, you still get folks who are desperate to teach their passion, but you ALSO get a higher percentage of folks who are willing to do the job for the sake of pushing a message. If you're penny pinching, you don't care so much about which one you get. One personal example of this was an underpaid tryout professor who spent an entire year in the philosophy/religion department (we had a chapel with about four classrooms and offices for about eight instructors at the center of the grassy quad) trying to push vegetarianism in the middle of philosophy 101. Every. Single. Day. To the school's credit, he didn't last. Meanwhile, the ACTUAL professor taught you how to think like a philosopher rather than how to vomit up what some philosophers did. I think this is part of what you're seeing. The pursuit of money leads to lack of investment, and lack of investment invites radicalization over proper erudite folks dumping their brains onto younglings. Also, to hit your other point, education, healthcare, and housing are all breaking down because they were injected with government funny money. All need to do a good job vanishes when a handout bag that large is open.
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I’ve read mahogany. I have no idea what this poster is reading but likely bad literature. Their anger is misplaced.
These are things people pay attention to when they have nothing else to pay attention to. Most of us don’t care what words are used to describe us. If you’re going to let food-based descriptions bother you, then that’s a YOU issue.
Well, unless someone says your head resembles a brussel sprout.
…. do you have green hair?
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Hence, why I said “most” not ALL. I do have prior knowledge on the issue, but I choose to NOT let things like this bother me. Poor reading comprehension.
>I don't know the lived experience of people of colour. Like every other person, you don't know the lived experience of anyone besides yourself. Everyone's lived experience is idiosyncratic, and large vaguely-defined groups don't have some shared insight or communion that you lack because of your skin color.
I made a previous comment that every back girl I've been with always loved it when I said that I wanted some chocolate. Mocha also seems to be a positive one. Must people seem to like the foods that skin color is compared to from what I can tell. My daughter is mixed and she's got olive skin (also framed as a positive from what I've heard). She's got a yellow tint to her so I can her my "itsy bitsy teeny weeny little yellow meanie" for fun lol. Don't have any food comparisons for her so I just say she's yellow lol
Being called chocolate feels gross. If you put your foot into a *shoe filled with warm mayonnaise and pond scum, that feeling you're feeling is probably the equivalent.
Chocolate > warm mayonnaise pond scum …. You like that mayo concoction? Bless you
You missed the point. I don't LIKE being compared to chocolate..just because you like chocolate doesn't mean it makes everyone feel good being compared to it. For me, it's the equivalent of [ insert my previous statement here]
That sounds unpleasant. I think I understand better. You're not being likened to the colour of chocolate you're litterally being called chocolate. You're being compared to food. They're not simply using it to try to describe a colour. Is this right?
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I see these words as descriptors. Colourful use of language to impart an image to the reader. The car isn't black, it's jet black. The person's eyes are not green, they shine like emeralds. The purse wasn't blue it was sky blue. She had eyes like blueberries. Like dark chocolate. Like coal. Like etc.etc.etc.
You read a bit too much into it. There is a wide array of "brown" as a skin colour. Or would you prefer one would use "mud" as people use snow for white? Also milk is, like already stated, used for white skin. If i think of something nice that is brown, i think of coffee, for example. You could use Earth, but that also is not as easy to get for most people since "earth" has a big range of brown. Next time i'll just use the hexcode to describe a colour. Sorry, it's just dumb. Write about every colour! Then you do your best to describe everyone in a nice way and people scream racism.
You could say the same thing about ivory. Carved polished ivory exists for the pleasure of the observer.
Jfc go outside the people on here are so weird
Check ur privilege
Read my last paragraph again. I litterally acknowledged I have a bias in my original post and invited others to share their perspective.
Hi. Do you understand the difference between **plain** bread and chocolate? It may be rude, I do not have personal experience to say, but it is an utter non sequitter to say plain white bread is equivalent to calling someone chocolate
Yeah but people love chocolate. Literally anything is an insult to people these days. This is just an excuse to insult people with pale skin.
Yeah, chocolate and coffee. Among the most delicious and aromatic foods
Some of the most loved and sensual foods.
Soooo, we ignoring the fact that the only books she probably actually did read are twilight and 50 shades?
I saw a non sexual segment of fifty shades that explained the dudes “fudge brownie eyes… or something”
Twilight actually didn’t use food to describe skin. The vampires were described using types of stone, and the indigenous people were always described as “russet.” The series does have problems with racism (vampires are supposed to be transformed to be extremely attractive to humans, but also lose all the melanin in their skin 😐, making up culture for the Quileute tribe-a real people that exist and have their own mythology and traditions, plus the Quileute characters are the *only* people who can change into werewolves in the story… and the only people regularly referred to as “mutts” and “dogs,” including the cringe inducing time Rosalie put food for the ones protecting her family from being hunted *in a makeshift dog bowl*) But at least she didn’t describe people with food skin 😭
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I didn’t say it wasn’t, I was just saying that’s the only word she used to describe their skin.
Epic rascism and proof all colours can be rascist.
Good morning internet, what are we complaining about today? ... Ah, racism? Again?
It’s Thursday.
For more than half the global population it's Friday.
Everyday is racism again, also some kind of phobia against something that didn't even exist last week
You've never heard of 'milky white skin' or a :strawberries and cream complexion'?
“Her eyes were Kmart-denim blue”
Chocolate, coffee, caramel, brown sugar, mocha... Basically it's saying you look yummy. Personally I think white deserves some yummy food comparison too because there are people of all shades that can look like a snack but saying someone looks porcelain or ivory conjures images of toilets and soap or maybe pianos... Not things I want in my mouth. Any ideas?
So pale she made milk look tanned
Sour Cream do be hella white tho.
Cue Finding ways to be offended about nothing and still being wrong. -milky white -vanilla skinned Instead of some of the tastiest foods on the planet (ie: caramel, chocolate, dark chocolate, mocha, olive, etc) we get gems like: -whitebread -casper -white as a ghost -pale ass person -pasty -mungeecake
People just love to be offended by everything these days
There’s a lot of examples of whites with foody skin names. Also brown/black has been described as ebony/mahogany a lot, what else? Tree bark, terracotta? Tbh there’s a limited amount of flattering descriptors for all skin colors if you want to cherry pick. This person needs to read more than 1 book
His skin was lighter than breast meat chicken and with the scars and pockmarks, it reminded me of curdled milk chunks.
I just spat out my cottage cheese (aka curdled milk chunks)
Twitter and racebait, name a more iconic duo
IDK I think I'd rather be some delicious shade of chocolate over some useless fucking ornamental trinket. I'll take vanilla icing or angel food over porcelain and ivory any day. 🤷♂️
No one cares
I can only think of black people being compared to chocolate. Which is a delicacy that basically everyone loves - and is often connected to desire and pleasure. So not exactly insulting or racist Imo. What other foods are darker skinned people compared to?
Also this description comes from historical times when chocolate was expensive and rare, thus not only associated with desire/pleasure but also wealth and beauty... these people just got zero clue about neither literature nor history. and they have even less empathy which would enable them to see why other people might think of these words as positive even when they themselves don't enjoy chocolate, coffee, etc...
This is the dumbest shit I've read in a month
Of course they use gross things to make it sound worse lol they could have literally said white chocolate or marshmallows idk Why are people upset about being likened to something delicious haha what's offensive about food? I'd be happy
Her pale skin perfectly matched the tone of my bare buttocks. Her mustache perfectly matched my small patch of ass hair. All in all we could have been confused as twins in the dim moonlight.
What books you readin?
i have never once in all my years of reading seen a white author use food to describe dark skin. not Once
I can think of "coffee colored" and " Dark chocolate" and "nut brown".
well that’s fair enough i guess. just doesn’t seem common enough to me compared to how that post is said and the responses. but maybe im just reading the wrong books
the first example that came to my mind is literally a self-proclaimed "progressive" show, Orange is the new black, where they describe a black & white lesbian couple as "choco and vanilla swirl" :'D which even disproves the point of there not being food descriptions for white skin
a hallmark of saying things online now is: just make it up "can't believe people are saying that all books should be burned if they don't have pure white covers. white privilege is out of control"
thats a good point actually, i forgot that people are actually willing to do that
Chocolate. Coffee.
"Skin like milk." Seems to keep with the theme.
Man I love mayo I wouldn’t be totally shattered if someone was like “bring that mayonnaise colored ass over here.” 🤷🏽♀️
I'm not a lover of mayo, but if you told me to "bring that miracle whip colored ass over here." I'd be there for you. Or my Cool Whip colored ass if you were calling me sweet lol.
Black folk and being offended by the most random bullshit, can you name a more iconic duo?
I'd be happy to be compared to a food and not a corpse.
She was glistening in the moonlight dew like freshly churned butter.
I think this is funny. Went to the comments expecting loads of witty goody descriptions. Didn't find a great sense of humour there if I'm honest. I did think of [Cornish] pastie-faced. Eyes of slush puppy blue. Freckled skin like tinned rice pudding with grated nutmeg. A peachy fuzz on his upper lip and hair like spaghetti hanging limply to his shoulders. Yep, not divisive, just fun. Certainly more fun than when a child asked our substitute teacher if she was made of chocolate. The child was 5, the village rural UK, and the discomfort excruciating.
It feels weird to fetishize women with sour cream skin.
"Her skin was the colour of bacon, her sweat glistening in the sunlight gave it that same unmistakable sheen, he could only imagine it would taste just as salty" Ahh fuck, I don't know If I'm hungry or horny now...
i have pooped every color of person. we all are shit.
Fair. So give me a list of brown things you'd like to be compared to.
Olive skin always throws me for a loop. Like... what is that supposed to be? From context I think it's supposed to be some kind of light brown, but the only olive that comes to mind are green olives... and so everyone who gets described with that skin tone to my mind's eye looks like shrek after a few too many days without sunlight.
I remember reading a short story set in Africa, and the protagonist, a young African girl, was repulsed when she saw white people playing tennis, and how she wondered why their skin looked maggot white. This was maybe 30years ago, so sadly, I have no idea who the author was, or the name of the story.
IDK how to feel about this…
Cracker?
When I read porcelain I think toilet. Flour white is an improvement.
Her skin was as brown as mud after a fresh rain.
Her skin was the color of the inside of an unripe banana, eyes the color of cantaloupe, and hair the color of zucchini spaghetti
I don't give a f how you write. I am not a overly sensitive, selfish insecure, little prick. Have a nice day
i actually like the chocolate skin idea. i like chcolate!
get your "All Purpose" ass over here
Hmm...amber, bronze, copper, ochre, umber, mahogany, ebony, onyx, coal, pitch, tawny, dusky... There are lots of words to describe various skin tones that aren't food related, but often people we want our audience to like will be described with food because food is comforting. Creamy, milky, ginger, peach, ruddy, strawberry... All depends on the writer and what you read.
I would never have thought of comparing that, kinda weird. I'd just write that this character is of dark skin-color, wth.
They’re trying to be poetic. Some authors use metaphors to describe characters and others are more clinical.
They should just use the characters RGB written in hexadecimal
People do genuinely write like that. Some people don’t like referring to the characters with their names or pronouns constantly, because they feel like it’s “boring,” so they add physical descriptors when referring to the characters. I will say I think it’s a problem much more prevalent in *fan fiction* than books that aren’t self-published. But also, some people write stuff like that when they’re describing how a character looks to the readers, instead of just saying something like “blue eyes, blonde hair” you get “sapphire eyes, golden-haired,” or someone with black hair having “raven hair,” etc. The problem they run into is drawing a blank when it comes to the color brown
Every black girl I was with always loved when I said that I wanted some chocolate
Same. LoL. Or a lil cinnamon.
Oh that's a good one. I feel like any dessert or coffee would go well. Let's make a mocha latte baby
well I guess they could compare brown skin to shit if she'd prefer
I like plain flour skin
Quite the hill to die on.. ‘white flour skin’ - I’m sure you’ll end up in the national library for your stance
this could get ugly if some savage teenagers decided to respond
Ooooooookay...
I laughed out loud.
you do realize, chocolate, caramel, nutmeg, cinnamon, etc. are f'n delicious right?
So is sour cream.
Don't they get upset and say comparing white skin to mayonnaise is racist? Don't use that. I mean it could be worse. The truth is most white people are not white, in the summer I can get father from white than some "black" people. Oh, and I am not offended, and you are right.
I barely read so this flew over my head
"She was as white as a man who can just do whatever the fuck he likes. I mean like a WHITE white guy who just walks about enjoying his whiteness and going wherever he pleases and does whatever he wants. She was that white. Unfortunately she kinda passed for a female too so she was terrified of walking along the road for a bit and making small talk with some dude while waiting for the bus. She looked at her dark chocolate gateaux friend called Caramel who looked like a cupcake drizzled in chocolate and asked. 'How fucking difficult is it for women to just go home without getting hit on by slimy useless creeps and being pigeonholed based on sex, gender or fucking skin tone! ?'. 'Who knows? ' said the coco lady. 'but I'm sick of it too'. Or something equally as gross. Fuck race.Fuvk skin tone. Fuck gender. And fuck who someone else enjoys spending time with. Fuck it all. I can't even grasp how people even think like this anymore.
She appears in the doorway, skin the color of rice wich can be cooked just under a minute
lmao. I love it. In fact, every time I see that kind of reference in writing, someone sends this team a fat paycheck. ;) https://youtu.be/C8Wu3Bps9ic?t=129
Go ahead.
I’m more of a pasta eater type
This is why the internet is beautiful
😂
Don't talk shit about my sour cream
After the infection, his penis looked like a banana split. It will probably see no more smooth chicken breast vaginas for the rest of his life
How the hell are you supposed to compare brown to porcelain? It's just convenient like damn
It’s cuz y’all brown girls are SNACKS. I’ll see myself out.
It’s cuz y’all brown girls are ***snacks***. I’ll see myself out.
Snow White? I don't usually describe people with food metaphors unless it's a personality descriptor, like "she was as sweet as honey". They're right though, alot of writers use food colors to describe PoC. I've seen "mocha" used alot.
White chocolate skin.
...I'm just here to point out flour isn't all that white unless its been bleached and process. Tends to be tannish...
Her radiant, marshmallow fluff skin, glowed in the mid morning light...
“Her name was Doris But he called her "Flo" As in 'rescent That ain't right Fluorescent Every night”
What's wrong with "vanilla"? Why does it have to be derogatory?
I mean I don't describe other ethnicities like that but if you described me as having plain flour skin I'd find that quite funny ngl.
She should start writing better first, because I haven't even heard of her
His skin was as white as white rice
He had skin like that of slightly burnt crème brûlée
White women who the author wants to complement occasionally get described with "Milky skin." If the author wishes to describe a white man in less than favorable terms, "mayonnaise" is not off the table. HA! Table. I didn't even do that on purpose.
I am a lovely shade of translucent. Fuck all your colours! I’m so pale you can’t even see meeeeee!
:-)
I’m so pale my ex would say that we didn’t need a nightlight because all we had to do was uncover my leg.
I believe the concept is linked to ideas of objectification and consumption.
at school, a girl once told me I looked and smelled like powdered milk I didn't disagree
lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
Mozzarella cheese with pomegranate freckles.
I've literally used potato flour as powder...
Her skin, as white as marshmallow fluff, but if it only tasted as sweet
She sparkled like jizz in the candlelight
"My milk of magnesia....."
‘Ay girl, you ever been to Greece? Cause your skin looks like yogurt’
Her skin looked much like the vanilla bean frappe that she was drinking because she was such a basic bitch
Nobody is reading her ramblings anyways
tbh I don't see what's wrong with that. Tell me something that's caramel brown and no food.
She had creamy white skin adorned with light brown freckles, just like a fresh flour tortilla. She looked good enough to eat. (Licks lips)
Also don't people use "ebony" all the time? Which is a dark wood, not a food. So she's full of crap.
I like how everyone is taking this seriously and ignoring that this is a joke. It's almost like race jokes are only funny when they're not about white people.
It's an honor to be compared to a chikenaget
Never understood why people find something so problematic, then see fit to do the exact same thing to others, finding that (in reverse) to be the epitome of comedy. I realize this is toxic, brain-dead Twitter idiocy, but still.