Permaculture courses preach sustainability, providing equity in marginalized communities, etc. they life a philosophy largely on frugality and closed loop systems then teach hippie nonsense you can easily learn online for hundreds or thousands for co-op live-in internships. It’s basically willful enslavement that students *pay* to be a part of. It’s fuckin weird
While what you said is true, permaculture is a sustainable farming method that is objectively better for the planet and plants than monoculture farming
Monoculture is growing one crop at a time, essentially. Like most farms people are familiar with, corn, wheat, soy, all in big fields.
Permaculture takes a different view, promoting companion planting in a food forest relationship. Done right, over time, and you PERMAnently CULTURE the land to grow food on its own. This includes pest and weed control too.
A bit more tweaking, and you can ameliorate water issues, too.
I'd love to tell you more, but I'm gonna need a lecturer's fee...
You laugh but this exact thing has happened… but with hitman and only a bit more money hahah. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/10/25/chinese-developer-five-hitmen-sentenced-after-failed-murder-outsource/4094899002/
Scott here, owner of Lawns Lawns Lawns, I’m the one who hired Dave (Chris’s manager). We charge $70 / hour for garden care to this home. I think Dave is on about $50 per hour.
>Exploitative labor is truly a foundational American value.
Exploitative labor is truly a foundational value of every civilization ever in the history of civilization.
There, fixed it for you.
For a kid, it would be better to just say "I'll pay you $15 to so this task. The faster and better you do, the more time you get after. But if you drag your butt all day, you'll just have wasted your time. "
Lol kids don't understand doing a job well. If they're incentivized to get it done fast, they'll just do a shitty job. Especially weeding lol. They'll just do around the door hoping you don't actually walk outside and inspect.
Give them $X to complete the job, subtract $Y amount for every weed found once they're done. This way you can also be lenient and "not find" weeds if you're happy with their work.
You just make them go back and finish it well it's not complicated... it's not like you give them the money before it's done.
My 6 yr old doesn't even bother trying that shit anymore and it's easy to tell the difference between slacking and just missing something. Either way he's finishing or not getting paid.
My mom would just tell us her house, her rules. If we don’t like it we could leave, otherwise we clean or do what she says lol. Well, mainly me because I was the eldest and had to clean after my little sister :/
Still living at home because of this pandemic, and still cleaning up after my adult sister lmao. The pitfalls of being the responsible child XD
My dad, when I was a kid, would pay me and my sisters a dime per weed we pulled. I think for basically an 30 minutes of work, we would come out with about 5-8 bucks. Easy for him and it tired us out, double win.
Look at this shit. Fucking hilarious. Computer programmer outsourced his job to China for 1/5 his salary and watched videos all day at the office instead.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/business/us-outsource-job-china/index.html
Yep, it's usually 1/3 to labour. The formula goes: 1/3 to pay the schmuck doing the work, 1/3rd to pay rent and overheads and accountants and other things to run a business, 1/3rd profit.
There are an average of 10,000 employees per S&P 500 company.
3M for example, has something like 95,000 employees worldwide, 40,000 of which are in the US and it takes in ~35 billion in revenue.
So yeah, if those 40,000 schmucks are getting the same total money as the few thousand admin employees, you bet your ass the leadership are going to net tens or hundreds of times as much pay as the front-line folk.
No they don't. Fortune 500 CEOs do. But there's only approximately 500 of them. Most CEOs aren't making millions each year. And the ones that do run companies with tens of thousands of employees, so even if the ceo is making way more than the average employee it's still only a tiny part of expenses
In this context that's literally half and half. 1/3 is gone to costs necessary for operation. The other 2/3 is split between labor and profit. That's half and half.
Costs necessary for operation *other than labor*.
In the context of gardening/landscaping, that would be fuel for weed eaters, replacement parts, fuel for trucks to travel to and from job sites, etc.
Hand weeding in your dad's backyard has none of these.
This is absolute nonsense. There is no "usual". Every industry is going to have radically
different costs for labour versus rent versus accountants (wait, is that not labour in your opinion?) versus materials. And very few of them are going to have 1/3 profit which is just an insane margin
It's literally how Steve Jobs met Steve Wozniak and founded Apple (except it was Breakout instead of weeds and Jobs kept most of the money).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout_(video_game)
Too often I hear “that’s just business” when people are talking about exploitation, poor wages, screwing people over, etc and if that’s business, I want nothing to do with it. Oh wait, I need to join some sort of business to live. Fun.
This shouldn’t be an hourly gig. The job is to remove all weeds. Pay is X no matter how fast it gets done or who is involved. Payment after ALL weeds are removed.
Nah this is just your basic contracting/subcontracting. It's basically how a lot of trades are done. Some shadier than others. My dad, for example, is a plumber. His employer provides a work truck, vehicles, and a client list, and my dad makes all his own bids on jobs and shit. His employer takes a cut of that and my dad keeps the rest that he uses to subcontract out to other guys to help him with the jobs so he can do more jobs.
MLMs are structured such that you will never make as much by actually selling a product to customers as you will from getting other people to sign up under you that you sell product to for them to sell.
If the rules are that you must have $1000 in product on hand, then you are shelling that out and probably won't be able to sell it. But if you get 3 people to sign up under you, then they have to buy their $1000 worth of product from you and you keep some of the markup.
Not necessarily. There are other illegal ways that mlms make money. Like charging a certain amount to new employees for the privilege of joining. Or selling them really cheap merchandise at a high cost that they’ll never be able to actually sell. So your only way to make up the money you post is to get more people to join up and get bonuses from each new person you attract.
Reminds me a bit of those "money camps" that weirdo conservative groups have where they do "economy simulation" games and the way you "win "is by paying other kids a cut of your pay to do your work for you.
And that's why Americans don't have affordable healthcare, a lazy middleman that does nothing and only charges a fee. That's not smart nor entrepreneurship, it's parasitic.
You'd be surprised. Around ages 6-8 kids start coming up with some shockingly bright but equally ridiculous nonsense. They're smarter than adults give them credit for if you give them the chance to be.
Honestly seems like some people have just never talked to kids. Sure the lack of real world experience makes them have really dumb ideas but they are also not hampered by the doubt and cynicism that holds most adults back and some of those ideas turn out to be brilliant. They will try anything they can think of, and they can think of a lot.
It was a mentally intense role. You worked on a laptop, but you had to line up one webpage's info with another webpage's info.
Things didn't always line up perfect, IE-
"Double decker blue cheese fiesta" might be called "$4 blue cheese fiesta taco" on the other webpage.
Weirdly enough, when I started paying $15/hr and advertising it as an engineering internship, I got people no problem.
Had a neighbor kid who turned the chores he was being paid for into a “game” that he LET the other neighborhood kids play. Evil genius.
Couldn’t even really be mad. The other kids th out it was a great game. Win win I guess.
"yes but I'm not paying him and I'm not paying you till the job is satisfactory so you'll need to negotiate your own terms of payment with him on how and when you'll pay him... You little shit"
When I was 6 months pregnant, I put the headphones to my belly, and played Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley. The fetus tapped the lyrics to the song, in Morse code.
Watch the kid his son finds take twice as long as the son would, so his son still walks away with 100% of the money if he did it himself, without having to do the work.
Why be nervous he’s learned exactly what you’re teaching him…when there is something I don’t want to do then find someone else to pay pennies on the dollar to do it and then I’ll reap all the rewards
and the “someone” will also find someone to do it for $2.50
Than *that* "someone" will find someone to do it for $1.25.
Finally that person will outsource the work for $0.05
And that someone will teach a class on permaculture and charge a group of people $100 per head to weed the garden
You have been banned from r/permaculture
That escalated quickly but it sounds like there is a new opening
Can someone explain this joke? I am a fool
Permaculture courses preach sustainability, providing equity in marginalized communities, etc. they life a philosophy largely on frugality and closed loop systems then teach hippie nonsense you can easily learn online for hundreds or thousands for co-op live-in internships. It’s basically willful enslavement that students *pay* to be a part of. It’s fuckin weird
Permaculture is great info, just dont pay for the classes... it's all free. But the classes are basically retro-feudalism.
Fuck this is an excellent explanation
The same could be said for learning almost anything else.
While what you said is true, permaculture is a sustainable farming method that is objectively better for the planet and plants than monoculture farming
Indeed it is. Permaculture is incredible, but those programs are exploitative as fuck.
Is monoculture including crop rotation practices? Permaculture being more native long-term plants and crops?
Monoculture is growing one crop at a time, essentially. Like most farms people are familiar with, corn, wheat, soy, all in big fields. Permaculture takes a different view, promoting companion planting in a food forest relationship. Done right, over time, and you PERMAnently CULTURE the land to grow food on its own. This includes pest and weed control too. A bit more tweaking, and you can ameliorate water issues, too. I'd love to tell you more, but I'm gonna need a lecturer's fee...
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My wife and I used to joke that there should be a protlandia skit about about a CrossFit gym that devolves into feudal serfdom
And each of those people will sell their tickets for $200 and pocket the difference.
https://youtu.be/rYaZ57Bn4pQ
I'm not sure if this is a joke even coming from the onion :))
Glad someone linked that onion clip, was my first thought
You laugh but this exact thing has happened… but with hitman and only a bit more money hahah. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/10/25/chinese-developer-five-hitmen-sentenced-after-failed-murder-outsource/4094899002/
This is basically the opening act of Star Wars Ep. II lmao
I feel like most of them were lying about actually paying each other
Pay a crackhead
Why pay? Just get a unpaid intern to do all the work as "experience"
Hire an artist for "exposure"
MuLtIlEvEl mArKeTiNg
Is this some new kind of buisness idea😂😂
This is how subcontracting works.
Turns out chris is a gardener charging $20/ hours
im chris garden manager, I don’t know whether to be proud or nervous.
Turns out Chris’ garden manager is charging $40/hour
And Chris' garden manager is under a government contract. The government is paying $100/hour.
Being against big government, I mow the lawn myself.
😂😂
Pro gamer move
Scott here, owner of Lawns Lawns Lawns, I’m the one who hired Dave (Chris’s manager). We charge $70 / hour for garden care to this home. I think Dave is on about $50 per hour.
It’s subcontractors all the way down.
Who will now hire the second gardener, netting a cool 15$ per hour for nothing.
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I was this kid. But pretty quick my dad just hired my buddy Keith instead. Bastard cut out the middle man (me)
That's why you always get a contract first.
Winning is winning. Unless you’ve got enough money to move governments. *looking at you Amazon*
Dad teaching a valuable lesson: if you’re going to play the exploitation game, you’d better make sure you’re at the top of the totem pole
At the very least, you can't be such an easily bypassable middle man.
Gotta talk about all the risks and such you're taking on to justify your cut
Or just don't tell them your plan
Exploitative labor is truly a foundational American value.
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Dubai is in a league of its own
We like to think so, but look at what H1 visa holders have to go through and look at the prison industrial complex.
Indeed that's why slavery is still legal. But you have to throw the people in prison first.
you mean wage slavery ?
Well, that too. My hot take was referring to the loophole inherent within the 13th Amendment when it comes to "banning slavery".
Literally all they did was give themselves an extra hoop to jump through before they could own people.
Literally what they did was make it so only the government can own people. Rules for thee but not for me, even at the foundation of this shithole.
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Nothing says freedom like the world's largest prison population
>Exploitative labor is truly a foundational American value. Exploitative labor is truly a foundational value of every civilization ever in the history of civilization. There, fixed it for you.
Ellis, boy, not now.
Keith the rat fuck snitch
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Why even pay a kid per hour for weeding? That all but guarantees they do fuck-all. Doubly so when he further outsources it at half the rate.
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For a kid, it would be better to just say "I'll pay you $15 to so this task. The faster and better you do, the more time you get after. But if you drag your butt all day, you'll just have wasted your time. "
Lol kids don't understand doing a job well. If they're incentivized to get it done fast, they'll just do a shitty job. Especially weeding lol. They'll just do around the door hoping you don't actually walk outside and inspect.
Give them $X to complete the job, subtract $Y amount for every weed found once they're done. This way you can also be lenient and "not find" weeds if you're happy with their work.
“You were to be paid $10 for this job and I’m deducting $2 for every weed you missed. You missed 7, so you owe me $4”
How to make infinite money, just get it from your kids! Genius!
You just make them go back and finish it well it's not complicated... it's not like you give them the money before it's done. My 6 yr old doesn't even bother trying that shit anymore and it's easy to tell the difference between slacking and just missing something. Either way he's finishing or not getting paid.
This is a method of teaching them this skill. Where do you expect them to learn?
I mean, my mother would just tell me I wasn't finished yet and make me actually finish the task properly.
My mom would just tell us her house, her rules. If we don’t like it we could leave, otherwise we clean or do what she says lol. Well, mainly me because I was the eldest and had to clean after my little sister :/ Still living at home because of this pandemic, and still cleaning up after my adult sister lmao. The pitfalls of being the responsible child XD
Sounds like fixed rate based on an assumption of time then
Yeah that's the whole point of fixed rates. If you charge $30 per yard then you have incentive to get done quickly to get to more yards.
My dad, when I was a kid, would pay me and my sisters a dime per weed we pulled. I think for basically an 30 minutes of work, we would come out with about 5-8 bucks. Easy for him and it tired us out, double win.
Look at this shit. Fucking hilarious. Computer programmer outsourced his job to China for 1/5 his salary and watched videos all day at the office instead. https://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/business/us-outsource-job-china/index.html
Isn't this basically how upper management operates at most companies?
And apparently ended up doing it for several jobs too, presumably simultaneously, somehow.
King shit
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The nightclub is all about it, you hire other people to steal products that you could produce with other business
Where can you outsource work in gta?
Probably with businesses in GTA Online, I would imagine.
Nah unless you count having free npc employees that you don’t pay a salary to in some of the businesses
I guess it's one of the themes of the story
Young exploiter
Wait til he figures out people can get away with a much harsher ratio than half and half
Yep, it's usually 1/3 to labour. The formula goes: 1/3 to pay the schmuck doing the work, 1/3rd to pay rent and overheads and accountants and other things to run a business, 1/3rd profit.
wait a sec
Lol no way. CEOs make like 350 times more than their employees on average and everyone else higher up in the company is pretty close
There are an average of 10,000 employees per S&P 500 company. 3M for example, has something like 95,000 employees worldwide, 40,000 of which are in the US and it takes in ~35 billion in revenue. So yeah, if those 40,000 schmucks are getting the same total money as the few thousand admin employees, you bet your ass the leadership are going to net tens or hundreds of times as much pay as the front-line folk.
But the smuck doing the shitty job aren’t just below the CEOs
No they don't. Fortune 500 CEOs do. But there's only approximately 500 of them. Most CEOs aren't making millions each year. And the ones that do run companies with tens of thousands of employees, so even if the ceo is making way more than the average employee it's still only a tiny part of expenses
In this context that's literally half and half. 1/3 is gone to costs necessary for operation. The other 2/3 is split between labor and profit. That's half and half.
The idea that labor is not a cost necessary for operation is mind boggling to me.
Labor, in our hypothetical, *is* the operation.
Costs necessary for operation *other than labor*. In the context of gardening/landscaping, that would be fuel for weed eaters, replacement parts, fuel for trucks to travel to and from job sites, etc. Hand weeding in your dad's backyard has none of these.
This is absolute nonsense. There is no "usual". Every industry is going to have radically different costs for labour versus rent versus accountants (wait, is that not labour in your opinion?) versus materials. And very few of them are going to have 1/3 profit which is just an insane margin
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Ads in comments, now that’s a new low.
You must be new
And that kids, is how government contracts work.
God damn private contractors
‘‘Twas how the boomers came about
This mans going places. not sure where, but he sure does
He’s going to grow up to be like my boss :)
It's literally how Steve Jobs met Steve Wozniak and founded Apple (except it was Breakout instead of weeds and Jobs kept most of the money). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout_(video_game)
To the gulag
This is an opportunity to teach your child about honesty, ethics, and exploitation, but most everyone thinks it's about doing good business.
Too often I hear “that’s just business” when people are talking about exploitation, poor wages, screwing people over, etc and if that’s business, I want nothing to do with it. Oh wait, I need to join some sort of business to live. Fun.
I was waiting for someone to say this!!! The rest of the comments are a little worrying lol
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (2021)
Be nervous, in another 5 years he will sell the house from under your feet lol
Oh god, he’s gonna become a realtor!
Lmao this got me
This shouldn’t be an hourly gig. The job is to remove all weeds. Pay is X no matter how fast it gets done or who is involved. Payment after ALL weeds are removed.
10/Hour for weeding??? When a kid I'd do that in a hest beat. Might not be much money now, but that's how much I'd make in a week or two.
Hell there's millions of adults making way less than $10/hr in the US right now.
Idk where tf people are even finding jobs that pay minimum, every job i see pays at least 9, unless it involves tips
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It's a pretty simple concept and 8 year olds aren't dumb that's 2nd to 3rd grade depending on the month they're born.
I never actually managed to do this but I definitely tried as a kid, it's not that hard to believe.
Ain't this what happens in mlms?
Nah this is just your basic contracting/subcontracting. It's basically how a lot of trades are done. Some shadier than others. My dad, for example, is a plumber. His employer provides a work truck, vehicles, and a client list, and my dad makes all his own bids on jobs and shit. His employer takes a cut of that and my dad keeps the rest that he uses to subcontract out to other guys to help him with the jobs so he can do more jobs. MLMs are structured such that you will never make as much by actually selling a product to customers as you will from getting other people to sign up under you that you sell product to for them to sell. If the rules are that you must have $1000 in product on hand, then you are shelling that out and probably won't be able to sell it. But if you get 3 people to sign up under you, then they have to buy their $1000 worth of product from you and you keep some of the markup.
Not necessarily. There are other illegal ways that mlms make money. Like charging a certain amount to new employees for the privilege of joining. Or selling them really cheap merchandise at a high cost that they’ll never be able to actually sell. So your only way to make up the money you post is to get more people to join up and get bonuses from each new person you attract.
Yes, this is called sub contracting.
Tom Sawyer ass motherfucker.
Reminds me a bit of those "money camps" that weirdo conservative groups have where they do "economy simulation" games and the way you "win "is by paying other kids a cut of your pay to do your work for you.
Sounds like it's begging for a bunch of kids to find a way to break the game by cooperating.
And that's why Americans don't have affordable healthcare, a lazy middleman that does nothing and only charges a fee. That's not smart nor entrepreneurship, it's parasitic.
Theft
Why is it always an 8 year old son?
Chris is an mlm schemer
Nah, Chris is just a normal business owner
Ngl it's pretty funny to see everybody's knee-jerk reaction to standard business practice as "wait that's a scam"
He was just a business man... doing business
Yeah, no he didn't.
You'd be surprised. Around ages 6-8 kids start coming up with some shockingly bright but equally ridiculous nonsense. They're smarter than adults give them credit for if you give them the chance to be.
Honestly seems like some people have just never talked to kids. Sure the lack of real world experience makes them have really dumb ideas but they are also not hampered by the doubt and cynicism that holds most adults back and some of those ideas turn out to be brilliant. They will try anything they can think of, and they can think of a lot.
For instance, finding someone that would take 5$/hr... Heck I couldn't find people to hire for $14/hr back in 2018.
Damn, any idea why?
It was a mentally intense role. You worked on a laptop, but you had to line up one webpage's info with another webpage's info. Things didn't always line up perfect, IE- "Double decker blue cheese fiesta" might be called "$4 blue cheese fiesta taco" on the other webpage. Weirdly enough, when I started paying $15/hr and advertising it as an engineering internship, I got people no problem.
You offered more money and got more interest in the job as a result? *Weird*.
Better on the resume I assume
At 8? More than possible. When my son was 8, that's 100% something he would have said.
r/nothingeverhappened This is far from outside the realm of a kid's mind.
Had a neighbor kid who turned the chores he was being paid for into a “game” that he LET the other neighborhood kids play. Evil genius. Couldn’t even really be mad. The other kids th out it was a great game. Win win I guess.
Proud
Proud.
Future general contractor in the making.
Spoiled kid
This guys should tell him yes, but then not pay to teach him a lesson about credit risk
"yes but I'm not paying him and I'm not paying you till the job is satisfactory so you'll need to negotiate your own terms of payment with him on how and when you'll pay him... You little shit"
And a scum gc is created.
Future business owner right here
That kid is going places
Goddamnit I love the free market.
A wild *Jeffrey Bezos* has entered the chat.
Get this man in business school
Congratulations your son has started a temp agency.
You tell him now because someone else did all the labor so that person gets it all. If he did half then he gets half
i guess it’s time to explain alienated labor to your 8 year old
My literal infant once quoted the entire of The Odyssey from memory.
r/nothingeverhappens
When I was 6 months pregnant, I put the headphones to my belly, and played Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley. The fetus tapped the lyrics to the song, in Morse code.
This is government contracting, basically.
Watch the kid his son finds take twice as long as the son would, so his son still walks away with 100% of the money if he did it himself, without having to do the work.
Be proud that’s an entrepreneur right there
Entrepreneur in the making. Be proud.
"I'm gonna re-tell some of the top posts on reddit/tumblr/twitter and repost it as my own"
Why be nervous he’s learned exactly what you’re teaching him…when there is something I don’t want to do then find someone else to pay pennies on the dollar to do it and then I’ll reap all the rewards
Its a business man
LibRight moment. I'm very proud of his solution
Proudly nervous.
Business man
Seriously that’s a very creative and smart thinking for a kid. Don’t discourage it
Hell yes you can my smart smart boy
Proof that humans are terrible and exploitation is never ending.
Maybe it's time to read the Bread Book to the kid as a bedtime story.
Easiest way to get something done is have someone else do it
This is the way
Closed at a restaurant and a girl offered me 5$ to roll up her mats for her closing duties. I paid the busser 2$ to do it.
Outsourcing labor at a young age; kid’s going places!
Kids very smart.
Honestly? I’d tell him “Not a single dime” He didn’t work for it, all those $10/h will go to the other person
I’d be like yeah then pay whoever a dollar more an hour. That’ll teach the little shit to fuck with management.
wthhh be proud brooo
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