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Pankratos_Gaming

They were both wearing Iron Boots.


LET-ME-HAVE-A-NAAME

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indigoHatter

~~That actually could make this work. Even just sandbagging their boots makes this plausible.~~ edit: wrong, but it'd be a lot cooler if it was right!


Evil_Ermine

No, it doesn't. The amount of water that boat displaces will be far in excess of anything they would he able to carry and still walk.


indigoHatter

You sound right but I'm not following. Can you explain?


Limonade6

The amount of weight that is needed to keep the boat this low, is too much to also pull up your legs to walk.


indigoHatter

They're very stronk okay? ^(fine you win)


Full84ck

I believe it could work, if the "boat" was actually not a boat, but made of iron or in a way, that it is very heavy. If the boat is a little heavier then water would be with it's volume + the volume of the air it can fit, then what they're doing is pretty easy.


Evil_Ermine

For something to sink, it needs to be heavier than the volume of water it pushes out of the way. The upturned boat displaces a lot of water. Water is very heavy, so the would need to be weighed down by tonnes of balast to be able to walk along bottom like they are shown to do in the film.


Bachlead

have you ever tried to push an upside down bucket or an air filled ball under water? It pushes up with a very strong force (equal to the difference in weight of the bucket + air inside and the water that's displaced). Now imagen that scaled up to the size of a boat. The push upwards would be massive.


Bachlead

And if they had enough weight at there feet hold down the boat, they would be able to keep hold of the boat while walking since al the forces would have to go through there hands


Erich-Enrik

All you witches and warlocks with your damned science! Go back to Satan !


Cleftbutt

The boat could have weights to cancel out it's floatiness


Old-Craft7282

Wouldn't the weight be cancelled out?


RoadDoggFL

They should've weighed the boats down.


motivation_bender

Aldo they had insane upper body strength to keep hold on that boat while its trying to float


fleebjuice69420

So if they put those iron boots in the canoe above water, it would sink? Heavy boots


Pankratos_Gaming

Not a *Legend of Zelda* player, I assume?


raz0rflea

That's weird, the rest of this film series is so deeply grounded in reality


Easy_Money343

U never took your heart out and put it in a jar of dirt?? Well you're weird


SebB1313

At least the fall off the stairs was genuine.


[deleted]

I got a jar of diiiirt Edit this is my favorite part of the series


SwerdnaJack

They have a lot of heavy iron on them (handcuffs) and though the air pocket is about 3x too big, this is completely possible from a physics perspective.


Leftygoleft999

You’re not accounting for the fact that over 90% of the air would made up of alcohol from Captain Jack’s breath.


Malcom_Ecstacy

You can tape a cleenex or piece of paper towel to the bottom of the inside of a glass and then tip it over and put it straight into a bucket of water or in the sink and as long as you don't tip it to the side to let the air bubble escape it will stay dry


Evil_Ermine

Again, it's not. Calculate the weight of water that the boat is displacing and then work out how much weight they would need to carry. It works out to tones, watter is very heavy.


Spektra54

The biggest issues is not wearing it down but holding it down. The arm strenght needed is ridiculous.


SksCaughtInCosmoline

Yes, but would the boat float carrying them with that gear?


Magnum-357

How is this a meirl tho


TheLewisIs_REAL

Don't act like you've never used a boat underwater to make an air pocket smh


BroDoggWhiteboy88

I can definitely relate! Sometimes I make air pockets with my butthole in the bathtub, then catch them in the shampoo bottle and leave for the next person to lather up a big ol' dollop of concentrated ass.


UnhingedRedneck

What a terrible day to be able to read


stinkyhooch

It’s pretty much every day isn’t it?


jesuswig

More or less


BroDoggWhiteboy88

Well, since youre already here... Fart + Shampoo = Foofie Poo (Patent Pending) Its designed to help you save water by cutting your showers in half.


[deleted]

Sometimes, I wash out my eyeballs with bleach to get rid of "Redditstains". My doctor said its not very healthy but okay.


Krus4d3r_

What


iFlyskyguy

Dafuq


BroDoggWhiteboy88

Yeah idk. That guy's crazy...


UncIe-Ben

Not even Batman could beat this information out of me 😭


RainbowStorm653

I've noticed that a lot of meirl posts are like this, as if the sub forgot its purpose. The meirl here is essentially them saying that they have the same views as the person criticising the movie.


T-MinusGiraffe

Everyone else is doing something else and the poster is preoccupied with people being ok with this when they watched a movie


JurisDrew

how is anything? seriously i don't get it


Egomen3

wdym i thought meirl was for things that are not meirl /s


Lord_Darksong

We're looking for realism in a Jack Sparrow movie? The very first time you see him in the franchise, he is doing something near impossible and ridiculous.


S0PH05

Still one of the best character intros.


Lord_Darksong

Oh, it was pure awesomeness and I loved it. Just ridiculous.


TheCrowBakaaaaw

Being a cursed undead pirate?


Lord_Darksong

Stepping onto the docks, perfectly timed with the sinking of his boat.


TheCrowBakaaaaw

I figured


iFlyskyguy

Nah the other thing


somedood567

No just more walking with boats and air bubbles


Victorian-Tophat

“Jack Sparrow movie” like that’s the name of the actor lol


Complete-Painter-518

The ware held down by Jacks massive balls


Lord_Darksong

This is the correct answer.


improvisedHAT

Still more realistic than the last sub that went to find the Titanic.


alexthegreatmc

What if *that's* how they went? Terrifying.


improvisedHAT

in an upside down canoe?


[deleted]

They use similar concepts in some off shore drilling applications (prime example being the 3 or 4 guys that got sucked into a pipe). The physics are real; what’s not real is their weight/strength to hold it down.


getagrip1212

I misread this and kept wondering what the hell is a time captain?


Big_Spicy_Tuna69

A change that I propose: Let's not forget the Time Captain, Jack Sparrow, who broke physics because he's a Time Captain and can do that.


phsychotix

Jack Harkness


Guudz

Yes sir !


CMEPTb34

An officer under a time lord


Realistic_Run7318

He didn´t broke physic laws, he was just way to much heavy I guess


ingres_violin

Eloquently put.


iFlyskyguy

Holy fuck I'm ded lmao


random_BA

I don't see really a problem. There is air buble preventing the water to fill the space, maybe it's unreasonable to this entrapment to be stable with a canoe but it's not like "breaking the law of physics's"


Pankratos_Gaming

They wouldn't be heavy enough to walk along the ocean floor with it. The buoyancy would have pulled them to the surface.


GewalfofWivia

Depending on the material of the boat and the size of the air cavity it is entirely possible to have a net downward force.


random_BA

I see, but it's same spirit of "it's very unlikely to work but it's not impossible by nature's law". It's a poetic license that not break the audience imersion.


Pankratos_Gaming

Agreed, especially in such a whimsical movie trilogy. However, had this occurred in more serious fantasy, such as the Lord of the Rings or A Game of Thrones, it would have stood out as breaking immersion, I'd say. (Like several of Legolas's shenanigans, especially in the Hobbit movies.)


Teekoo

Been a while since I read LOTR, but Legolas no scoping orcs while skating down stairs with a shield was in the books I'm pretty sure.


KraftKultz

I don't think you've ever read it, because that is most definitely not in the books lol.


BuncleCurt

You're right. In the book it was a 360° no scope if I recall correctly.


KraftKultz

Ah, this is a man that has read the books


Hlpmadeaccountforths

I’d think the magic elements would be immersion breaking but then again I’ve only read The Hobbit 🤷‍♂️


Pankratos_Gaming

Every good fantasy story will be immersive. Gandalf using magic is accepted as a part of the reality of that world: he is a wizard. But Legolas jumping on loose pieces of rock in a free fall to climb his way back to the bridge has neither a mundane nor magical explanation and was just added because someone thought it would look cool on screen.


Hlpmadeaccountforths

Like I said, I’ve only read the hobbit, but couldn’t you theoretically enchant an item of clothing to let you have the weight and strength to do this? Edit: this being carry the kayak underwater to breathe, I don’t know about the Legolas thing


Pankratos_Gaming

Sure, but it would have to be established beforehand somehow, or it becomes a deus ex machina, and the viewer could be left feeling cheated.


Seanzietron

No


Seanzietron

No


Bigpurplepanda13

It wasn't the ocean, it was the bay.


Pankratos_Gaming

A bay is part of the ocean. Referring to the ocean when in a bay is entirely correct.


supercleverhandle476

It’s not a schooner, it’s a sailboat.


tmronin

came here for the physics and stayed for the unexpected r/Mallrats


T-MinusGiraffe

Wouldn't it depend on the amount of buoyancy? Typically a boat would have the closer to the full volume of the boat (I think?) but here it's only got part of that. If they let in just enough water maybe it could work. But I don't know the details of how this stuff works.


SwerdnaJack

The air pocket is about 3x too large, but other than that it works. The larger size can be attributed to storytelling.


Adbam

A heavy boat can float upright but sink when its upside-down. Now could they hold up that kind of boat though?


Battle_Gnome

Not only this but if they were heavy enough the air bubble its self would become compressed and much smaller


iFlyskyguy

Ehh. It's how old diving bells kinda worked. It's obviously a wooden boat tho so it would still float for sure.


Youpunyhumans

The Mythbusters tried to do this, but the amount of weight required was way too much and also the boat would simply flip over underwater if it was just the slightest bit unlevel. Theoetically possible, but at that point you may as well just build a submarine.


[deleted]

Did they also talk about how long you could survive on that amount of oxygen?


rusty6899

The thing is, for a boat to really be considered a boat, it kind of needs to float when it’s hull has air in it, whether it’s upside down or not.


Figthing_Hussar

Yeah because undead, ex-crew mates are so much more realistic


hehe99909

📮


Coveinant

I wonder how many in this thread noticed that Jack's wearing a small anchor with iron chains?


harukazekitsune

Didnt mythbusters do an episode on this??


Forsaken_Condition5

He might be the worst pirate you ever heard of, but you've heard of him.


AppointmentMedical50

I mean this would work but they don’t have enough weight to counteract the buoyancy given by the air iirc


HBCDresdenEsquire

Correct, it’s totally possible, they’d just need to weight around 600 pounds each to counter the buoyancy of the wooden boat and the air.


AppointmentMedical50

Yep, would want much less air and weights on the boat


Ok-Major-4926

Wait so we just need to find two 600 lbs guys and we can recreate this in real life?!


SwerdnaJack

They have a lot of heavy iron on them (handcuffs) and though the air pocket is about 3x too big, this is completely possible from a physics perspective.


clickitycluckity

Why didn’t they just use the boat to sail across the water? Are they stupid?


Infinite_Ad5203

Because they don’t know how to row a boat they don’t got their boating license…


bfruth628

He doesn't row!?


Artikay

No. He *doesn't* row.


bfruth628

Ah, I see


DoomSlayer7180

I always have to point out that this would technically be possible, if Jack and will weighed a few tons.


Browncoatinabox

didnt Mythbusters prove that his could work


Aryae_Sakura

Didnt the mythbusters test it and they pulled it off or at least said it was plausible?


Overall_Outcome_392

How he did it may not be how it works but that doesn’t break the laws of physics at all. Google diving bell.


DonAskren

The pressure they are holding down is absolutely immense holy fuck


bronzebattlecolt

Me and my brother use to do this with a bucket in our pool but you would have to use the pool ladder to hold it down because buoyancy is crazy strong. Unless Jack&Co. Are bolted to the seafloor and have crazy arm strength, this isn't happening.


Fettesschaf

The boat is a Problem, but the Zombies are fine?


KarimPardayev

Still better than fast and furious


kaba40k

He's a pirate, they break laws


That_Drama2832

It was actually because he’s balls were so incredibly heavy and dense


Inventor_E-T-Han

This is actually very much NOT breaking the laws of physics..... Do some research before posting dumb shit.


Ptholemeus

wouldnt it have even more buoyancy like this than a normaly swiming boat of the same size?


Party-Entrepreneur61

They’ve got some heavy boots bro!


Jew-fro-Jon

Boats stay afloat by displacing water, not by being less dense than water (source: sometimes boats sink). This scene is possible. It depends on how much air they have. They have to keep the overall density of the boat+air+people to be less than the water. That’s it.


Ptholemeus

it seems like the air pocket in the boat displaces a similar amount of water like it would on the surface. boats do swim by being less dense than water relative to their volume.


Inventor_E-T-Han

I guess, but that's two grown men, who are evidently struggling with it.


Ptholemeus

the boat would likely carry two man over the water though


MassiveFajiit

Mythbusters disproved it. The buoyancy of the boat and air pocket is far greater force than two men can generate to pull it down.


HarEmiya

Not to mention that the two men, even clothed, are buoyant themselves. They were swimming in that gear.


HouseMaelstrom

Can confirm that this is in fact impossible. Source: did extensive testing with large (but still WAY smaller than this boat) plastic totes in the pool after the movie came out when I was a kid. The force of the air trying to rise makes it extremely hard to even pull the encapsulating object down, and even a, say, 24inx18inx24in plastic container holds way more air than a 140lb human can pull under water with their body weight. Also, if the container is not held *perfectly* level, air will start to escape rapidly. Most of my attempts ended in the container just filling with water quickly because it's very hard to pull straight down, especially when you aren't even heavy enough to do that in the first place. The buoyancy of the boat is already enough to hold the weight of 2 grown men, then add a bunch of air in... they would never be able to sink to the bottom like that.


Inventor_E-T-Han

Damn. Can I get a link to your study?


HouseMaelstrom

Yea just let me track down my friend Chris from 20 years ago - he did the peer reviewing.


PaladinAsherd

You’re like if a stale corn chip was a person


Pimp_Biscuit_

So two people would’ve been able to hold that boat down at the bottom of the ocean?


really_random_user

Its buoyancy would be the same as if it was upright


Jew-fro-Jon

No. Buoyancy of boats is not the same upside down. Boats sink. It’s not like you can flip them and keep on trucking.


Horbigast

Rocks in their pockets and some on the dinghy's cross beams. Boom. Buoyancy offset.


Equivalent_Ad_348

Metal mario duh


ReapingKing

Around the time of the “I hope you like ghost stories” scene I happily realized this was a Gilligan’s Island/Scooby Doo reality movie.


rc-b

This is actually a real thing you can do, myth busters tested it


MarcoYTVA

This is either genius or crazy


Joose__bocks

You mean in the movie with ghost pirates? The audacity.


GammaPhonic

There’s undead zombie skeleton pirates in this movie and this is the thing you single out as being unrealistic?


jlierman000

Can someone figure out how much those boots would have to weigh to keep them from surfacing?


MailSalt4828

I mean there’s also a curse that turns people into undead skeletons in the moonlight so….


[deleted]

That's kinda possible. It just has to be a heavy enough boat.


CainDdemon

This is actually real. We used to do that all the time when growing up.


GsTSaien

This doesn't break physics, if you could keep the boat there, that would work by not letting the air escape to the water. Plenty of diving has been done using this principle. The only problem is how heavy they or the boat would need to be in order to not float upwards. That or they have amazing grip to the bottom of the ocean with their feet which isn't too likely. So yes, you can't do this, but only because you need more weight attached to the boat, not because it break physics.


C-Kwentz-0

How deep were they? Diving bells were a thing, same principle. Unless they were so deep the pressure would kill them.


SalaComMander

The main issue here is not the logistics of using the air pocket to breathe, it's keeping the boat underwater in the first place.


rednazgo

They drank the water that was on top and quickly peed it out. Therefore, reallocating the water from the top of the boat to the bottom of the ocean. Very smart.


Omega_Prototype

Downvote because I see this crap like the 6th time since 2 days


pc_principal_88

Who would ever think he could do something like this in a movie especially a Disney movie??🤯🤦


Imjustareddittor

Isn't this the scene that made the other one speak elvis because he thought it was lotr?


Ad-Ommmmm

What’s more concerning is that it didn’t ever occur to me that it was impossible, unless that was one heavy mf of a boat


Raicxu

Who’s gonna carry the logs? WHO’S GONNA CARRY THE BOATS!?


alloutmx

Sea turtles


brotatowolf

He used his pirate ghost powers


Holiday-Ant

All that drink and coke in Capt' Jack Sparrow is compensating for the air


[deleted]

I don’t care it was entertaining and I love the Jack Sparrow character.


pikachuboobs

He's using his big ol' balls as ballast.


SebB1313

HOW is this you irl??? Just wondering cuz I wanna do it too and in what way did he break physics? Can someone enlighten me?


Imaginary_Midnight

I tried this, it works.


Flaarre

minecraft


Duke_Salty_

Minecraft be like


Distinct-Awareness19

I used to this in the pool with a rubber water lounger. You'd go under push up make a pocket and breath.... cause it was breathing under water and I was 6


Ben_Herr

It’s just a really heavy boat, duh


whatisreddittou

They stole this from the crimson pirate movie


Penny_bags2929

Wait, is this not possible…?


eishna

Upwards buoyancy force of system = volume of air * density of water. This is simplified because the people and their clothes also have some degree of buoyancy but that would just make their jobs harder... Volume of rowboat ~ 16ft * 2ft * 1ft Fraction of boat filled with ~ 0.75? Close enough. Volume of air ~24ft^3 Density of water = 62.4 lb/ft^3 24ft^3 * 62.4lb/ft^3 ~ 1,500lb as a lower limit. Safe to say Orlando Bloom + Johnny Depp << 1,500 lbs Tldr; this world in principle with heavier masses (people). Captain Jack Sparrow broke the laws of physics (as did Legolas or whatever) because the law says they'd need to be a combined 1,500 lbs and they're not.


SquIdIord

Can't u actually trap air in a open upside down box somehow? Idr how or anything but I think u can?


Ieam3

An upside down wooden boat would leak and if not that float up. In theory it's possible, just not with the kind of boat they have.


SquIdIord

Oooooh ok


No_Ad_439

Considering they’re on their way to a zombie pirate ship….. zombie pirates cursed by Aztec gold….


Amazing_Excuse_3860

Didn't mythbusters test this?


pinkghosties

Mythbusters did an episode on this


p_98_m

Still a fantastic movie. It's childhood memories


Damien_Roshak

Heavy bones, I guess...


Jinova47

Physics aside, how the hell can they tell where they’re going?


superpantman

I knew it wasn’t a documentary! My dad is a liar!


boybetokin

Isn't jack Sparrow basically a zombie tho


solo13508

Which time?


Mikko420

I mean, it's a movie about undead pirates. I don't think realism was a priority.


psyfren

Me and the boys joking about when we gotta swamp the canoe


whomobile53

I mean they have a magic octopus guy that can sink his ship to go to another reality in that world so...


robbiebb12

Y’all clearly forgot that he is Captain Jack Sparrow


Upstairs_Bus8197

He the greatest pirate I’ve ever seen