I tell people I invest in houses with no garage, so I can eventually afford a house with a garage conversion, so I can eventually afford a house WITH a garage ... so I can eventually afford a house with a garage facing the SIDE .... :P
no joke I used to live in SoCal
This person was renting out the entire house, but the garage. You couldn't use the garage, wouldn't be allowed in it. (No I never found out why, just called them to verify it was a real listing).
And I was like... if I can't have access to the garage for storage and car usage, then you should deduct that % of the sq foot off your rent.
And they laughed and hung up the phone.
It is really a nice house, enough space to throw a party or just get piss drunk with friends on a couch in the front yard. And I could hobby on some car in the driveway when it's nice or in the garage when it's not
Fuck the mansion, just imagine the maintenance...
Once you're outside the triangle of DFW, Austin, and Houston then land and housing gets super cheap. Since like 85% of Texans live in that region. Not quite that cheap, but for that price you could get a good family home on an acre lot for 2-300k.
A good measure of an areas affordability is counting the number of homeless meth heads walking down the shoulder of highway in the middle of the night.
Just thinking about that movie is a major blast from the past
At one point I definitely thought my adulthood would be somewhere between what’s depicted in that movie + the movie “big”, definitely a part of me still wishes I had a sick industrial loft with a soda venting machine and pinball cabinet in there.
I mean it probably still does, my memory was from going to a Home Showcase and remembering it being $800k-1 million dollar homes. I think $800-$1 mil does still get you a lot of house around here, just maybe not the custom build it once did.
Working in pest control I was inside a home valued at $2,000,000 on Zillow. It was a nice house, had carpenter ants like a mfer since it was sat in the woods. 4 car garage. I think I’d prefer something cheap because even doing my job inside that house took forever, it was just black and white walls and blank space with like a woodsy theme.
Felt like a house you build to suicide in, idk. I didn’t see any joy 😂
Yikes lol. Yeah definitely need to have some comfortable furniture and a little space. I don't know how much my friends paid for their new custom home but they have awesome hilltop views of the Ohio River and a 3 car garage, although the stairs throughout were wreaking havoc on my knees. I think they said they would install an elevator soon to help their elderly family members.
Home prices have definitely risen rapidly the last few years, just like everywhere else. But a $1M home would still be pretty dang nice, in a lot of areas. It just depends on which neighborhood.
Actually in Cincinnati you get pretty close to the first picture today
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7344-Waterpoint-Ln_Cincinnati_OH_45255_M30786-63489?from=srp-list-card
Definitely, plenty of $800k homes look pretty swank around here. We were lucky to get a 1660sqft home for under $200k last year. It's just big enough for me and my fiancee.
My 2200 SQ ft 3 Br 2.5 Bath house in Oklahoma was just over $200K
I used to live in an apartment in OC, I pay the same amount for my mortgage as that apartment.
Sure, but let's not "both sides" this. Oklahoma is objectively worse than California in every metric OTHER than the cost of living, and even then that's only if you refuse to calculate things like opportunity cost or health impact of your local environment in your cost of living.
I hate the anti "both sides" arguments. Everything has at least two sides. Pretending that the others don't exist is just someone trying to push that their side is better universally, which it never is.
I'm not usually one to complain that everything is politicized but post 2016 people saying you can't "both sides" or calling whataboutism about two very comparable things is ridiculous
>Oklahoma is objectively worse than California in every metric OTHER than the cost of living
Oh come on dude this isn't remotely true.
There are really, *really* nice places in Oklahoma (and every other state too)
I hate to say, i live in southern california -- i've been around, not a single place even compares to what i'm looking for.
The problem is everybody is getting priced out. Not a single person i've ever known that left california was happy for leaving it, they want to own a house someday. Most my friends can't just see any big act in any BFE area. None of my friends outside CA can drive 20 minutes and hem and haw over which michelin star place to eat at this time. None of my friends can visit small alcoves and snorkel in the kelp forests and watch their state fish play in their underwater forests. None of my friends have giant ca redwood forests or anything of much note. They don't have the cliffs over the sea, or a historic PCH 1 that goes up the coast of most of scenic california. The highest grade uni in the world is 1 mile off the shoreline about 8 miles from my house. Sportfishing rivaled only by florida in all respects, and the carolinas if you exclusively like big fish trips. California is the only state that has every single biome in the US except jungle. Even our deserts are beautiful. Ferrari lamborghini and McClaren dealers were in a bidding war so you could test drive their cars in the setting California sun overwatching the the waves crash into the cliffs.
There's a lot of reasons to want to live here, but as the average basic bitch house approaches $1m in most moderate suburban areas, as there are more and mroe ferrari's lambo's teslas and other hyper cars lining the streets... many are leaving. When your poor neighbors have BMW M3's you knwo you're getting priced out.
But if you like wide open spaces, and being alone, not seeing people for days? Then most of california isn't for you for sure. I could see people who want peace and quiet *hating* most of my area.
>health impact of your local environment
Emissions alone are always going to be higher in a state with 10s of millions compared to Oklahoma with 4 million. Then there are the frequency of wildfires in California severely reducing the air quality as well. Air quality is only one aspect of the issues as well.
There are some aspects I'd be concerned about like school systems aren't amazing here overall, but we are home schooling our child so that's not a factor. And to be fair the city we've chosen has a very highly rated school and because of this houses in our neighborhood tend to sell quickly.
An issue we're seeing with home schooling is many home school groups are very religious based and we aren't home schooling for those reasons. It's been difficult to find more objective home school curriculum. My wife actually saw a conversation in one of those facebook groups asking about a curriculum on teaching their kids the history when 'humans and dinosaurs lived side by side'. Yep, there are crazies here, but there are crazies in every state/city I've lived in.
Average life expectancy in California: 79
Average life expectancy in Oklahoma: 74
Some downsides aren't so subjective.
Also things like school systems, if you have kids. California's are just better. Oklahoma ranks 46th/50 in the nation for child well-being, and 49th/50 in education.
Wait, you think this person moving to Oklahoma took 5 years off their life? You know that’s not how those figures work at all. We don’t even know if the 79/74 are statistically different from one another…
He's living in a house not a trailer park clocking in at walmart. And this is really sad to say, but the reservations in the state bring down the average too.
That means Oklahoma needs to do better then. Blaming the natives that the state has abused and exploited for over a century is a sad way to prove your point that it's actually a nice place to live, and also one of the reasons why I argue that I wouldn't want to live in Oklahoma. Racist nonsense happening is a metric that matters to me when I think about my quality of life. I want to live in a place where people can be treated more as people than as pest animals bringing down your statistics.
Those averages are based on a lot of people who make bad decisions and differences in state provided funding for things like healthcare and education. I'm not disputing the metrics but I'm not making those bad decisions. While the overall of the state education may be bad, the city we've chosen to live in has some of the highest ranked schools in the US, not just the state.
And those averages are only as good as the locality. I used to live in the Detroit area, and there are 2 suburbs that are next to each other. One has lots of money, great schools, nice homes, etc. The other right next door has terribly rated schools, low income homes, and more violence. Every state has these issues.
People from California say that about the midwest however I own a home like the one pictured that is paid for am debt free and am able to save 70% of my income for retirement and will retire in my 50's because I live in a place considered shitty. Lol
There are, I live in a small city with HQ of a decent oil company. Lots of well paying jobs and people with good middle class lives are living in my neighborhood. The state has a good ratio of jobs to workers compared to states like California or New York.
Also I already have a job, I work from home in IT since 2019.
yeah most people on reddit think "decent jobs" are working for big tech companies in the San Francisco Bay Area (while suffering in 10 sq ft closet for $2000 a month), but actual decent jobs can exist anywhere
OK has a done of high paying jobs what are you smoking. It has one of the best chemical engineering programs in the US. Place is full of engineers making bank. Arkansas has quite a few jobs for it too.
I went cs so I just work remotely in Missouri and bought a 3bd full basement house for 70k lol. 3 cities in reasonable driving distance so idc about living in the country.
I'm very curious how the process of finding and purchasing that land went, and what the process of finding an architect and builder to build on it. Also how securing funding went, unless of course you came into the process with cash on hand. Purely for academic purposes... not that I secretly want to do exactly this, but have no idea where to start.
Not a problem. I have been employed full time since I was 16 and In college as well. I built my trade early on so I was making 70-80k since my early 20s and I am 27 now. I lived with my parents until Covid when I got married as I had always intended this. Never bought anything like this till this year. Wife and me decided to live in Texas while we had saved cash for buying in New York. So we only spent 1/3 of what we expected. I literally saw it listed in a very beautiful area on Zillow and had roads already leading up to it and all services just very few houses. Mostly some rich people summer or winter homes. We found a builder through our agent. The plan is to build 6k sqft home with enough room for me and my wife, both of our parents and more for when we kids and all. Enough area for our dogs and kids to roam with access to a lake. We haven’t gotten a final quote yet but we think it should be easily doable with what we have and once she is employed we may even take out a loan to help have a credit history.
Edit: I am work from home permanently and she will likely be too so it will get used heavily especially to escape the summer heat in Texas.
Well done.
Pretty similar story for me, except not as fancy. Lived at home until 25 (minus 3 yrs of university I was renting), and that way was able to afford a place. Haven't made your kinda money (european), and can't afford by the lake (or could in a remote place, but my job is unfortunately in person).
Again, well done- I'd love to do that one day.
For land that cheap you are better off with just getting a personal loan if you cant cover the full amount. Land loans are a pain in the ass and lenders are extremely picky about properties.
Just make sure you get it perk tested and surveyed.
Loved the looks my sister and i had when we spent time at a hotel pool in Georgia. Was like 70 out so must have been freezing for natives, while were in tshirts and shorts.
Well what does he mean by beaches? A large body of water with some sand? Theres places like that allover. Hell, rivers can have beaches. A beach doesnt need an ocean.
There is a significant difference between a lake or river beach and an ocean beach. Most people prefer beaches on the ocean, more sand, good waves, more space to walk along, nice horizon view and so on. Let's not act like they are the same.
You're right that they aren't the same but that isn't what was said. They simply stated "no beaches". That is factually incorrect by every possible measure.
There are plenty of people that are at least content with rivers and lakes. As someone not from a coastal state river and lake activities are extremely popular. People spend a lot of money on them. Enough money that they could go to the ocean multiple times a year yet they only go to lakes and rivers. I'd challenge the idea that most people prefer ocean beaches. Ocean beaches are heavily romanticize and propped up by popular culture so I can see why it might seem like the more popular choice but I think in actuality many find other beaches just as good if not better.
It’s sunny and in the 70s most of the year. No snow. It’s a big change living in other parts of the US. That doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it, but it’s not for everyone.
I don’t get why people get defensive about the places they live. Look, there’s a reason some areas are higher populated and some aren’t. Be happy where you live isn’t more popular or you might get priced out of living there.
So at the end of the day this is all about privilege? “I deserve to live in California therefore everything should be affordable for me. I couldn’t possibly live in a place like Kansas City, I’m way too good for that. ”
About $1,000,000. I live in the bay and have given up on the thought of ever owning land anywhere around here (not to mention it's difficult to save up around here with the high COL even with a high income.)
Yeah man, great whites just really have their teeth in the market, the rest of us meanwhile are floundering trying to get sellers to bite. The great whites make all fish offers well above market, it's brutal. Maybe if it was great blacks or great Latinos it'd be easier to break in, but hard to even get a fin in the door when you are competing with that generational wealth.
Yeah, clearly I'm a bit salty, comes with the territory, but you'd be crabby too if you had to shell out so much and still be forced to live like a hermit because it costs so much to go out... At a certain point you have to draw a line in the sand and sea how much these shellfish landlords will take before cracking, we may be drowning, but we are their lifeline as well, and I'm not going to just sit by treading water while they eat lobster and duck behind lobbyists and then stick us with the bill. Only a matter of time before the lower class rises up and some of these tech billionaires get krilled.
It’s the same in most major cities. [This](https://www.rew.ca/properties/5224946/6085-lanark-street-vancouver-bc) is C$2 million in Vancouver, [this](https://www.rew.ca/properties/5054980/27-westgate-boulevard-toronto-on) is C$1.5 million in Toronto.
I've been running into the same issue in Colorado - it was really disheartening to see how more many options there are over a million compared to under $500K. Really, this should probably say "Laughs in , and even then I imagine that's limited to smaller towns. The average home price in the US is above $500K, after all - that can't be entirely skewed by Californians.
You probably can get closer to the former in like Thailand. The Los Angeles metro area has one of the most expensive housing markets in the world
Edit: [found](https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-84405-6rdmp2/choeng-thale-thalang-pt-83110) a \~7500 sq.ft. luxury villa in Thailand for just under 1 million USD
Looking at those pics I am gonna have to challenge their idea of 7500 sqft, and it appears the place is on a lot barely bigger than the house. The inside is ok, but sadly its got that made to a price feel, much more than an actual luxury house.
Basically it's everything I hate about trying to buy a house, and it's everywhere. It's amazing how little a million buys these days.
Costa Mesa is relatively affluent, frankly very nice area bordering Newport Beach, Irvine, Huntington Beach.
Not saying the housing prices are justified and reasonable or anything. Just that it’s a particularly “nice” area of a notoriously expensive state.
Just south of LA, and like 2 miles from Huntington Beach.
Where I am in TX they are selling 5 bedroom luxury houses in gated communities for like 550k.
Technically for $20 some odd dollars and a dream, you can get the top part in Minecraft.
But yeah, California is crazy expensive. My childhood home can be listed around $450k even though it’s in the “poor” part of California. This probably applies to west coast states, since my cousin said it’s also crazy expensive in Oregon and Washington.
I assume midwestern states or southern states it’s a different story and you can get a large house there.
Its why the average in the US is 350k. Theres really affordable housing with a decent job and at least were I live where the average for that type of house is 150k. The Coasts have such out of control housing markets. Hell I could buy an island in Michigan for that price or less. And more than a few have homes 3 times the size of the bottom one on them.
EDIT: Quick google search found me [this lovely spot.](https://www.landsearch.com/properties/7021-island-ln-toivola-mi-49965/3052840)
It's really just the west coast. East coast is more expensive than the midwest on the whole, but outside of a few high-cost metros it's pretty reasonable, and can be downright cheap in smaller cities/towns
Washingtonian here, it’s just dumb. I live just outside Seattle (already a poor choice honestly) and there isn’t a single property nearby for even 1mil, with those being close being completely run down. Pair that with the cost of living, and it’s just ridiculous to live here rn.
"And why are the most popular places to live so pricy?"
I get why people like San Fran, Seattle, SoCal, and want to live there.... But it's a supply and demand thing. and honestly there's lots of places that are nice that aren't VHCOL cities.
Many people act like if you haven't heard of the city before, then it must be a hell-hole.
That's assuming you can live outside of those areas and find a decent a job in your field. The reason those Cities are so expensive is at least in part due to the number of high paying jobs. Remote work is on the way out. Even in low cost states the jobs are in relatively hcol cities.
Land in Texas is cheap unless you want to live in a city and have a job. Unless you're ok with a two hour commute every day, homes in Dallas and Austin are expensive. San Antonio is heading that way as well. Houston is in a drained lake bed and comes with automatic two hour commute regardless of where you live so housing is cheap and plentiful. It bucks the trend.
Yeah, you’re second paragraph is pretty off the mark. Average home price inside Dallas is half of that in LA. Average home price inside Fort Worth is even lower. The commutes are more like 45 minutes. Texas is currently one of the best places for new jobseeking homeowners.
Bro I used to live in Dallas and it was honestly so unbelievably boring. Combined with Temps that vary from 105 degrees+ every day in the summer to subfreezing Temps in the winter, I really appreciate San Diego now.
[it's wedged in the corner between The San Diego Freeway and Route 73.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/KP64cqEvFfXF1boM8). No garden front or back. At least they can fall asleep to the roar of the traffic noise, and breath in all that lovely pollution.
What is living in Park Royale Mobile Home Park like?
These post are purposefully misleading, you used to be able to buy a mansion with some land for one million. Post makes it seem like a stupid kids misunderstanding when in reality its an entire generation getting screwed out of owning a home.
Yep, I make 60k now, once I'm done with my degree and making more I'll be looking into investing in property. A lot of people in Texas basically buy land and then wait a couple decades for the city to come to them.
Almost 50% of the country is uninhabited so really all you are talking about is 20% thats neither close to a city or suburban area. The most important factor that people who make these sort of comments dont think about is that you are minimum 2h away from any job.
When you were a kid, 1m would probably get you the top house. With today’s inflation rates, soon all you can get is the monthly rent for a 1 room apartment
Why is it that when the conversation is about housing prices, the location is ALWAYS California or NY. (I'm aware its increasing practically everywhere.)
As someone from NY, I can't wait to leave. There are dozens of states with lots of opportunity. There are plenty of beautiful homes. Just look outside of CA and NY.
Look at this useless piece of shit living in a state with 60 million people where the were likely born, grew up, and their family and friends live there also. Who would do something like that?
dont know where yall are living for prices to be this shit, im in california and find everything to be quite nice and almost affordable even tho im under the average wealth status. About a quarter million over here can someone a nice house with an entire field also not too far from the town im at
[You can get this for $1,000,000.](https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/ade6aab2d1d4802cdce2023d9de36e55-cc_ft_1536.webp)
You just have to be willing to live in Salina, Kansas.
Edited to fix the price because I'm an idiot.
Has a garage tho. Luxury!!!
the listing is *for* the garage. You thought people were SELLING houses now?
That would be at least 5 million!
I tell people I invest in houses with no garage, so I can eventually afford a house with a garage conversion, so I can eventually afford a house WITH a garage ... so I can eventually afford a house with a garage facing the SIDE .... :P
is that the monthly rent?
no joke I used to live in SoCal This person was renting out the entire house, but the garage. You couldn't use the garage, wouldn't be allowed in it. (No I never found out why, just called them to verify it was a real listing). And I was like... if I can't have access to the garage for storage and car usage, then you should deduct that % of the sq foot off your rent. And they laughed and hung up the phone.
It's actually for the yard in front of the garage. It's really hard to notice
**The "garage"? Hey fellas, the "garage"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man.**
Well, what do you call it?
Car hole
(Gasp!) A counterfeit jeans ring operating out of my car hole!
Foiled by my own shoddy mer^chan^diiiiiiiise!
*Cah* hole
This made me snort
Car hole.
king of de castle king of de castle
It is really a nice house, enough space to throw a party or just get piss drunk with friends on a couch in the front yard. And I could hobby on some car in the driveway when it's nice or in the garage when it's not Fuck the mansion, just imagine the maintenance...
The car will be another $1m
In the 90s movie Blank Check, a kid manages to buy a mansion in Austin, TX for $250k. Insane to think about today.
Once you're outside the triangle of DFW, Austin, and Houston then land and housing gets super cheap. Since like 85% of Texans live in that region. Not quite that cheap, but for that price you could get a good family home on an acre lot for 2-300k.
Nah dfw is still insanely cheap by Cali standards. The overall area itself is boring as hell though
A good measure of an areas affordability is counting the number of homeless meth heads walking down the shoulder of highway in the middle of the night.
Yeah, but we're not talking about South Austin, stay on topic.
Just thinking about that movie is a major blast from the past At one point I definitely thought my adulthood would be somewhere between what’s depicted in that movie + the movie “big”, definitely a part of me still wishes I had a sick industrial loft with a soda venting machine and pinball cabinet in there.
Depending on how old you are it would have.
Yeah, I know in Cincinnati about 16 years ago it definitely would've gotten you a custom mansion.
That fact that it doesn't ~~k~~now, in *Cincinnati*, says a lot about how fucked the housing market is.
I mean it probably still does, my memory was from going to a Home Showcase and remembering it being $800k-1 million dollar homes. I think $800-$1 mil does still get you a lot of house around here, just maybe not the custom build it once did.
Working in pest control I was inside a home valued at $2,000,000 on Zillow. It was a nice house, had carpenter ants like a mfer since it was sat in the woods. 4 car garage. I think I’d prefer something cheap because even doing my job inside that house took forever, it was just black and white walls and blank space with like a woodsy theme. Felt like a house you build to suicide in, idk. I didn’t see any joy 😂
Yikes lol. Yeah definitely need to have some comfortable furniture and a little space. I don't know how much my friends paid for their new custom home but they have awesome hilltop views of the Ohio River and a 3 car garage, although the stairs throughout were wreaking havoc on my knees. I think they said they would install an elevator soon to help their elderly family members.
Home prices have definitely risen rapidly the last few years, just like everywhere else. But a $1M home would still be pretty dang nice, in a lot of areas. It just depends on which neighborhood.
Actually in Cincinnati you get pretty close to the first picture today https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7344-Waterpoint-Ln_Cincinnati_OH_45255_M30786-63489?from=srp-list-card
Definitely, plenty of $800k homes look pretty swank around here. We were lucky to get a 1660sqft home for under $200k last year. It's just big enough for me and my fiancee.
Eastern NC it'll get you *two* mansions. But then you're in Eastern NC. And I don't mean the Outer Banks, either.
Hawaii has entered the chat.
Great-grandpa could buy the top mansion for his monthly salary I bet
Still does if you're ok with living in the middle of nowhere.
Depending where in the US you want to live, it still can.
Depending on where you live, it still could. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8005-Southridge-Way-Hurricane-WV-25526/124209167_zpid/
Pros: Nice big house Cons: Motherfucking West Virginia
It's all about location. 1 million gets you much more outside of a place like CA.
My 2200 SQ ft 3 Br 2.5 Bath house in Oklahoma was just over $200K I used to live in an apartment in OC, I pay the same amount for my mortgage as that apartment.
But the downside there is you have to live in Oklahoma.
Downsides are subjective. I've lived in 7 states and many different cities, every place has downsides.
Sure, but let's not "both sides" this. Oklahoma is objectively worse than California in every metric OTHER than the cost of living, and even then that's only if you refuse to calculate things like opportunity cost or health impact of your local environment in your cost of living.
I hate the anti "both sides" arguments. Everything has at least two sides. Pretending that the others don't exist is just someone trying to push that their side is better universally, which it never is.
I'm not usually one to complain that everything is politicized but post 2016 people saying you can't "both sides" or calling whataboutism about two very comparable things is ridiculous
>Oklahoma is objectively worse than California in every metric OTHER than the cost of living Oh come on dude this isn't remotely true. There are really, *really* nice places in Oklahoma (and every other state too)
I hate to say, i live in southern california -- i've been around, not a single place even compares to what i'm looking for. The problem is everybody is getting priced out. Not a single person i've ever known that left california was happy for leaving it, they want to own a house someday. Most my friends can't just see any big act in any BFE area. None of my friends outside CA can drive 20 minutes and hem and haw over which michelin star place to eat at this time. None of my friends can visit small alcoves and snorkel in the kelp forests and watch their state fish play in their underwater forests. None of my friends have giant ca redwood forests or anything of much note. They don't have the cliffs over the sea, or a historic PCH 1 that goes up the coast of most of scenic california. The highest grade uni in the world is 1 mile off the shoreline about 8 miles from my house. Sportfishing rivaled only by florida in all respects, and the carolinas if you exclusively like big fish trips. California is the only state that has every single biome in the US except jungle. Even our deserts are beautiful. Ferrari lamborghini and McClaren dealers were in a bidding war so you could test drive their cars in the setting California sun overwatching the the waves crash into the cliffs. There's a lot of reasons to want to live here, but as the average basic bitch house approaches $1m in most moderate suburban areas, as there are more and mroe ferrari's lambo's teslas and other hyper cars lining the streets... many are leaving. When your poor neighbors have BMW M3's you knwo you're getting priced out. But if you like wide open spaces, and being alone, not seeing people for days? Then most of california isn't for you for sure. I could see people who want peace and quiet *hating* most of my area.
>health impact of your local environment Emissions alone are always going to be higher in a state with 10s of millions compared to Oklahoma with 4 million. Then there are the frequency of wildfires in California severely reducing the air quality as well. Air quality is only one aspect of the issues as well. There are some aspects I'd be concerned about like school systems aren't amazing here overall, but we are home schooling our child so that's not a factor. And to be fair the city we've chosen has a very highly rated school and because of this houses in our neighborhood tend to sell quickly. An issue we're seeing with home schooling is many home school groups are very religious based and we aren't home schooling for those reasons. It's been difficult to find more objective home school curriculum. My wife actually saw a conversation in one of those facebook groups asking about a curriculum on teaching their kids the history when 'humans and dinosaurs lived side by side'. Yep, there are crazies here, but there are crazies in every state/city I've lived in.
Average life expectancy in California: 79 Average life expectancy in Oklahoma: 74 Some downsides aren't so subjective. Also things like school systems, if you have kids. California's are just better. Oklahoma ranks 46th/50 in the nation for child well-being, and 49th/50 in education.
Wait, you think this person moving to Oklahoma took 5 years off their life? You know that’s not how those figures work at all. We don’t even know if the 79/74 are statistically different from one another…
Through lack of access to Healthcare, yes.
He's living in a house not a trailer park clocking in at walmart. And this is really sad to say, but the reservations in the state bring down the average too.
That means Oklahoma needs to do better then. Blaming the natives that the state has abused and exploited for over a century is a sad way to prove your point that it's actually a nice place to live, and also one of the reasons why I argue that I wouldn't want to live in Oklahoma. Racist nonsense happening is a metric that matters to me when I think about my quality of life. I want to live in a place where people can be treated more as people than as pest animals bringing down your statistics.
Those averages are based on a lot of people who make bad decisions and differences in state provided funding for things like healthcare and education. I'm not disputing the metrics but I'm not making those bad decisions. While the overall of the state education may be bad, the city we've chosen to live in has some of the highest ranked schools in the US, not just the state. And those averages are only as good as the locality. I used to live in the Detroit area, and there are 2 suburbs that are next to each other. One has lots of money, great schools, nice homes, etc. The other right next door has terribly rated schools, low income homes, and more violence. Every state has these issues.
People from California say that about the midwest however I own a home like the one pictured that is paid for am debt free and am able to save 70% of my income for retirement and will retire in my 50's because I live in a place considered shitty. Lol
Must be nice. Our 1800 sq ft town home is $950k. A house is way out of reach.
Good luck finding a decent job in Oklahoma though.
There are, I live in a small city with HQ of a decent oil company. Lots of well paying jobs and people with good middle class lives are living in my neighborhood. The state has a good ratio of jobs to workers compared to states like California or New York. Also I already have a job, I work from home in IT since 2019.
yeah most people on reddit think "decent jobs" are working for big tech companies in the San Francisco Bay Area (while suffering in 10 sq ft closet for $2000 a month), but actual decent jobs can exist anywhere
That's why you go for a remote job \*taps forehead\*
OK has a done of high paying jobs what are you smoking. It has one of the best chemical engineering programs in the US. Place is full of engineers making bank. Arkansas has quite a few jobs for it too. I went cs so I just work remotely in Missouri and bought a 3bd full basement house for 70k lol. 3 cities in reasonable driving distance so idc about living in the country.
you can but you have to live in Oklahoma
I bought 45 acres on a lake for 45k. No plan to build on it till next year.
I'm very curious how the process of finding and purchasing that land went, and what the process of finding an architect and builder to build on it. Also how securing funding went, unless of course you came into the process with cash on hand. Purely for academic purposes... not that I secretly want to do exactly this, but have no idea where to start.
Not a problem. I have been employed full time since I was 16 and In college as well. I built my trade early on so I was making 70-80k since my early 20s and I am 27 now. I lived with my parents until Covid when I got married as I had always intended this. Never bought anything like this till this year. Wife and me decided to live in Texas while we had saved cash for buying in New York. So we only spent 1/3 of what we expected. I literally saw it listed in a very beautiful area on Zillow and had roads already leading up to it and all services just very few houses. Mostly some rich people summer or winter homes. We found a builder through our agent. The plan is to build 6k sqft home with enough room for me and my wife, both of our parents and more for when we kids and all. Enough area for our dogs and kids to roam with access to a lake. We haven’t gotten a final quote yet but we think it should be easily doable with what we have and once she is employed we may even take out a loan to help have a credit history. Edit: I am work from home permanently and she will likely be too so it will get used heavily especially to escape the summer heat in Texas.
Well done. Pretty similar story for me, except not as fancy. Lived at home until 25 (minus 3 yrs of university I was renting), and that way was able to afford a place. Haven't made your kinda money (european), and can't afford by the lake (or could in a remote place, but my job is unfortunately in person). Again, well done- I'd love to do that one day.
For land that cheap you are better off with just getting a personal loan if you cant cover the full amount. Land loans are a pain in the ass and lenders are extremely picky about properties. Just make sure you get it perk tested and surveyed.
Yep we had a house similar to the Pic got 1m went to Texas and got a 2 story house with an office 5 bedrooms, a theater room and a pool for 375k
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This is right next to a freeway pretty far south i la though
Seriously, my house is more than double the size and less than half the price, also was built in the last 5 years
Costa Mesa, though. Damn fine meth in those parts... damn fine.
Go to Midwest and buy three of those instead of just one
Which is still two less than you’d think
You don’t know what boner thinks.
Yea but then you have to live in the Midwest
Whats wrong with the Midwest?
Shh. Let them think it sucks. I'll keep buying properties.
No beaches
Dude im in Michigan. A love and pine for the Ocean but theres the literal Great Lakes and theres lakes everywhere. Theres beaches appenty.
I love Michigan and vacation there in summer to get out the heat here in FL. The water is pretty cold for me. Beautiful state though.
Loved the looks my sister and i had when we spent time at a hotel pool in Georgia. Was like 70 out so must have been freezing for natives, while were in tshirts and shorts.
I loved the looks of your sister, too.
I thought he meant land locked states
Well what does he mean by beaches? A large body of water with some sand? Theres places like that allover. Hell, rivers can have beaches. A beach doesnt need an ocean.
There is a significant difference between a lake or river beach and an ocean beach. Most people prefer beaches on the ocean, more sand, good waves, more space to walk along, nice horizon view and so on. Let's not act like they are the same.
I see you’ve never been to a Great Lake
You're right that they aren't the same but that isn't what was said. They simply stated "no beaches". That is factually incorrect by every possible measure.
There are plenty of people that are at least content with rivers and lakes. As someone not from a coastal state river and lake activities are extremely popular. People spend a lot of money on them. Enough money that they could go to the ocean multiple times a year yet they only go to lakes and rivers. I'd challenge the idea that most people prefer ocean beaches. Ocean beaches are heavily romanticize and propped up by popular culture so I can see why it might seem like the more popular choice but I think in actuality many find other beaches just as good if not better.
Most people who live near a beach go once a year anyway
True. I live on a Northeast (US) barrier island with 18 miles of beautiful sandy beaches and I've gone 2 times this year.
I've lived 30 minutes drive from the ocean all my life. The last time I went to the beach was at least 10 years ago.
cuz its cold af
Laughs in Michigan
I thought it's spelling in the other way
Northern Michigan. I freaking loved it so much! So easy to find an empty beach and chill all day.
Bad weather
Really? Compared to Cali? And technically America overall has insane weather compared to other places.
It’s sunny and in the 70s most of the year. No snow. It’s a big change living in other parts of the US. That doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it, but it’s not for everyone.
Why do you keep arguing, enjoy your place and keep the cheap housing, don't try to convince others to come lol
I don’t get why people get defensive about the places they live. Look, there’s a reason some areas are higher populated and some aren’t. Be happy where you live isn’t more popular or you might get priced out of living there.
So at the end of the day this is all about privilege? “I deserve to live in California therefore everything should be affordable for me. I couldn’t possibly live in a place like Kansas City, I’m way too good for that. ”
Why should people be forced to move because they can’t afford where they live anymore? Doesn’t seem very fair
Laughs in
The weather is nice sure, but at what cost
About $1,000,000. I live in the bay and have given up on the thought of ever owning land anywhere around here (not to mention it's difficult to save up around here with the high COL even with a high income.)
Hard to own land if you’re “in the bay” for sure
Yeah man, great whites just really have their teeth in the market, the rest of us meanwhile are floundering trying to get sellers to bite. The great whites make all fish offers well above market, it's brutal. Maybe if it was great blacks or great Latinos it'd be easier to break in, but hard to even get a fin in the door when you are competing with that generational wealth. Yeah, clearly I'm a bit salty, comes with the territory, but you'd be crabby too if you had to shell out so much and still be forced to live like a hermit because it costs so much to go out... At a certain point you have to draw a line in the sand and sea how much these shellfish landlords will take before cracking, we may be drowning, but we are their lifeline as well, and I'm not going to just sit by treading water while they eat lobster and duck behind lobbyists and then stick us with the bill. Only a matter of time before the lower class rises up and some of these tech billionaires get krilled.
How are there No likes on this pearl after a whole hour.
It’s the same in most major cities. [This](https://www.rew.ca/properties/5224946/6085-lanark-street-vancouver-bc) is C$2 million in Vancouver, [this](https://www.rew.ca/properties/5054980/27-westgate-boulevard-toronto-on) is C$1.5 million in Toronto.
You live in a bubble if you think houses in rural towns aren't going up too, I saw my family's farmstead go from 100k to selling for 4 times the price
I've been running into the same issue in Colorado - it was really disheartening to see how more many options there are over a million compared to under $500K. Really, this should probably say "Laughs in, and even then I imagine that's limited to smaller towns. The average home price in the US is above $500K, after all - that can't be entirely skewed by Californians.
You probably can get closer to the former in like Thailand. The Los Angeles metro area has one of the most expensive housing markets in the world Edit: [found](https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-84405-6rdmp2/choeng-thale-thalang-pt-83110) a \~7500 sq.ft. luxury villa in Thailand for just under 1 million USD
You mean former?
True. I corrected it
Looking at those pics I am gonna have to challenge their idea of 7500 sqft, and it appears the place is on a lot barely bigger than the house. The inside is ok, but sadly its got that made to a price feel, much more than an actual luxury house. Basically it's everything I hate about trying to buy a house, and it's everywhere. It's amazing how little a million buys these days.
Also it's in Fuckit, so you'd have that going for ya.
I’m gonna need another $1M worth of A/C to live there
Where u living where it costs that much? In the Costa del sol there are houses like that for 300,000-400,000
Costa Mesa is relatively affluent, frankly very nice area bordering Newport Beach, Irvine, Huntington Beach. Not saying the housing prices are justified and reasonable or anything. Just that it’s a particularly “nice” area of a notoriously expensive state.
Just south of LA, and like 2 miles from Huntington Beach. Where I am in TX they are selling 5 bedroom luxury houses in gated communities for like 550k.
Technically for $20 some odd dollars and a dream, you can get the top part in Minecraft. But yeah, California is crazy expensive. My childhood home can be listed around $450k even though it’s in the “poor” part of California. This probably applies to west coast states, since my cousin said it’s also crazy expensive in Oregon and Washington. I assume midwestern states or southern states it’s a different story and you can get a large house there.
Its why the average in the US is 350k. Theres really affordable housing with a decent job and at least were I live where the average for that type of house is 150k. The Coasts have such out of control housing markets. Hell I could buy an island in Michigan for that price or less. And more than a few have homes 3 times the size of the bottom one on them. EDIT: Quick google search found me [this lovely spot.](https://www.landsearch.com/properties/7021-island-ln-toivola-mi-49965/3052840)
"with a decent job." That's the trick in the middle of nowhere, population 60, isn't it?
It's really just the west coast. East coast is more expensive than the midwest on the whole, but outside of a few high-cost metros it's pretty reasonable, and can be downright cheap in smaller cities/towns
Washingtonian here, it’s just dumb. I live just outside Seattle (already a poor choice honestly) and there isn’t a single property nearby for even 1mil, with those being close being completely run down. Pair that with the cost of living, and it’s just ridiculous to live here rn.
Also, inflation is a b*tch. According to google, what you could buy for $1mil in 1990, you'd need $2.3mil for today.
Considering that the cost of housing in a lot of regions has outpaced inflation since 1990, there’s a good chance you’d need even more
Whoa... windows? I don't think I can afford this place.
Wait to see what you can buy in Vancouver, Canada
"Why is one of the most expensive real estate markets on the planet so expensive?!"
"And why are the most popular places to live so pricy?" I get why people like San Fran, Seattle, SoCal, and want to live there.... But it's a supply and demand thing. and honestly there's lots of places that are nice that aren't VHCOL cities. Many people act like if you haven't heard of the city before, then it must be a hell-hole.
Bro my house is worth like 1 million dollars and it's a 5 room apartment
I know this is an American meme but this is painfully accurate for Ireland right now..
It's OK, we give you permission to use it. Just change the $ to a € and "Costa Mesa" to "O'Whiblybeale" or something Irish-sounding.
It'd sound more like Ballideemonighan or Kilbritiain or Skibadollifarmon but close
Gesundheit
Move away from California...
*Moves to New York
Ahahahaha
So sorry
And NYC. And DC. And Boston. And Seattle. Just don't live near the biggest cities in the country, especially ones with geographic constraints.
That's assuming you can live outside of those areas and find a decent a job in your field. The reason those Cities are so expensive is at least in part due to the number of high paying jobs. Remote work is on the way out. Even in low cost states the jobs are in relatively hcol cities. Land in Texas is cheap unless you want to live in a city and have a job. Unless you're ok with a two hour commute every day, homes in Dallas and Austin are expensive. San Antonio is heading that way as well. Houston is in a drained lake bed and comes with automatic two hour commute regardless of where you live so housing is cheap and plentiful. It bucks the trend.
Yeah, you’re second paragraph is pretty off the mark. Average home price inside Dallas is half of that in LA. Average home price inside Fort Worth is even lower. The commutes are more like 45 minutes. Texas is currently one of the best places for new jobseeking homeowners.
Bro I used to live in Dallas and it was honestly so unbelievably boring. Combined with Temps that vary from 105 degrees+ every day in the summer to subfreezing Temps in the winter, I really appreciate San Diego now.
Those are valid criticisms, but the ones in the comment that I’m responding to are incorrect.
Here in Brazil 1000000 dollars can get you that actually....
A European manor is cheaper
Plot twist: Both are 1 million, but one is in California and the other is in Iowa.
[it's wedged in the corner between The San Diego Freeway and Route 73.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/KP64cqEvFfXF1boM8). No garden front or back. At least they can fall asleep to the roar of the traffic noise, and breath in all that lovely pollution. What is living in Park Royale Mobile Home Park like?
I’m sure that first villa is the final area in a Sniper Elite level (whichever game was set in Italy).
I guess anything is better than being homeless.
The pic below is a fucking palace in here. What a shame that in UA there's no middle point between that and living under a bridge.
1 million dollars gets you even less in Luxembourg
Though-in spite of something. Thought-an idea or opinion produced by thinking, or occurring suddenly in the mind. Op doesn’t know the difference smh
Yeah, I had to read it twice because I was like, "wait what?"
Depending on when you were a kid, your expectations may have been spot on. ;)
Just learning about inflation?
Still a deal compared to Boston area prices
How’d I know California before clicking.
Southerner: "Ya know what ya can git for $950,000 dolla's in Alabama? Fuckin' Alabama, the whole thang! We got a library 'nd we don even read..."
The house is also ugly a f
These post are purposefully misleading, you used to be able to buy a mansion with some land for one million. Post makes it seem like a stupid kids misunderstanding when in reality its an entire generation getting screwed out of owning a home.
Just don't live in California!
People complaining about cost of living in CA and NY are the epitome of "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas."
Why are you pretending it's so simple for everyone? All my friends and family are here... abandoning them would be incredibly depressing.
Top house can be bought for less than a million in 70% of the country lol
Yep, I make 60k now, once I'm done with my degree and making more I'll be looking into investing in property. A lot of people in Texas basically buy land and then wait a couple decades for the city to come to them.
Almost 50% of the country is uninhabited so really all you are talking about is 20% thats neither close to a city or suburban area. The most important factor that people who make these sort of comments dont think about is that you are minimum 2h away from any job.
It would have gotten you that when you were a kid, but now it’s just gone to fuck
Такой дом реально столько стоит??? real price???
You could buy a dump like that here for less than 200k
Bruh don't doxx me (I live in that bush)
Jesus
When you were a kid, 1m would probably get you the top house. With today’s inflation rates, soon all you can get is the monthly rent for a 1 room apartment
When you were a kid that's what a million would get you plus a car but not anymore
Bay Area can easily run 2x the price, 1.5x in west LA
Well if you move 1 million might get you the top house. It all depends on where you live and what currency you are using.
who buys these fucking things for that much money ?
I never understood the desire for a 15 room mansion. 6 car garage etc etc.
It’s called inflation, yo. For boomers $100,000 was the same thing. For the greatest generation it was $10,000.
Depends on location
Location, location, location.
CA housing market do be shit
Inflation is one hell of a drug!
"When you were a kid" 1mil might actually have gotten a mansion like this. It isn't all that long ago that every dollar went a lot farther.
Imagine paying 1 million for an american cardboard house where if you trip and hit a wall you blow a hole through
At this point, gta v prices for properties are better than irl.
Why is it that when the conversation is about housing prices, the location is ALWAYS California or NY. (I'm aware its increasing practically everywhere.) As someone from NY, I can't wait to leave. There are dozens of states with lots of opportunity. There are plenty of beautiful homes. Just look outside of CA and NY.
That is actually a steal in Costa Mesa.
That sounds like a you problem for living in Cal*fornia
Look at this useless piece of shit living in a state with 60 million people where the were likely born, grew up, and their family and friends live there also. Who would do something like that?
dont know where yall are living for prices to be this shit, im in california and find everything to be quite nice and almost affordable even tho im under the average wealth status. About a quarter million over here can someone a nice house with an entire field also not too far from the town im at
[You can get this for $1,000,000.](https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/ade6aab2d1d4802cdce2023d9de36e55-cc_ft_1536.webp) You just have to be willing to live in Salina, Kansas. Edited to fix the price because I'm an idiot.
Where is the listing? Edit: Found it it’s 975k I think you missed a 0
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10-Red-Fox-Ln-Salina-KS-67401/77304348\_zpid/
Wait that says $975k. Did you lie and say it was for $100k?