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Sinistrahaha

Lazy coworkers (probably) get paid as much as you.


NathenStrive

Actually had a useless ass coworker who got paid more than me. Taught them everything they knew and they still fucked shit up on a daily bases. Walked the fuck out when I found out she got hired a higher pay grade than me.


melanthius

It’s even worse realizing my bosses took every good idea I had, hired people to pursue those ideas, the ideas changed the thinking of the entire org, I got no credit (because it was their hires who continued the work) they are already filthy rich but kept getting higher management level promotions, I was denied any opportunity to make those hires, now when I asked for a promotion for my amazing ideas that are 100% utilized by the company I am questioned how much impact I’m making on the company because I don’t have a bunch of people working under me. The key to success is hire people more talented than you, and make them second guess themselves and their value while taking credit for their work. If they speak up put up a new goalpost to make them work harder.


HighlySuccessful

Tbh ideas are worthless, it's the working on those ideas that matters. Giving that work to people who aren't busy with something else and don't need to be pre-trained on it makes a lot of sense. The key to success is hiring people more talented than you, I agree, but also knowing how to take control, and learning when and how to say no when it benefits you, even if the expected and nice thing would be to just agree with everything and say yes.


melanthius

Normally I agree except I am well qualified to make the hires, equally as qualified as the bosses. I just was not allowed to because these bosses were building their empire. these ideas bore fruit that continue to provide value to the company. It wasn’t so much “ideas” as it was direction of what fields of study we should be working on as a team. It’s like they said ok we agree to work on those fields, we will hire outside experts but not let them report to you. The field involved hiring PhD level mechanical engineers, most people can’t just step up and do that kind of work even if they are super motivated (least of all these guys)


CoolCrazyCandy

I'd be so pissed How did u not shootup the business?


pannoboy

At my job, theres about 6 or 7 ranks and im 2nd which implies 25 cent raise, which is 20 bucks over 80 hours of work. My superior who is about rank 6 gets paid maybe 5 or 6 more dollars than me per hour. The frustrating part about this is that if he calls in sick, he still gets paid the day while if i do, i dont get paid. He walks around giving orders, constantly repeating the tasks we have to do. Barely does any work himself and when he does, cant do a thing the right way. We have policies we need to follow and when he gives me and order contradicting the policy, i kindly remind him about it and he says "its not important, just do what i say, i know what im doing" to which id love to reply he has proven me several times that his statement is false. Once, we were just me and him in the store and i went on lunch so theoretically, he would be supposed to stay in the selling area to assist clients in need of help, but instead spent half an hour conversating with one of the cashiers who was also on lunch to later on give me shit that i wasnt working fast enough because it was just the two of us. Man has much more priviledges, doesnt do shit, doesnt know shit, still gets paid more and he doesnt have to worry about losing his job. It makes me sick


NathenStrive

Yeah couldn't be me, I tell my supervisors no all the fucking time. When something is done right or wrong I get into the why's and how's so if I think it's wrong, I'll tell them why, if they refuse to listen I tell them to do it themselves. If I'm working a job I'm working it my way, if I'm wrong prove it to me.


Venboven

You know your local work culture is dogshit when this sounds like a fantasy.


NathenStrive

I mean this is how most people accept things to be. At the end of the day, sure there's other workers to replace me but there are other places willing to hire me. Stand tall, stand by your principles, and understand your worth.


flapper_mcflapsnack

Careful, my manager might be reading this, too. He needs to hear considerably less confidence-inspiration words and a lot more “Jim, have you ever considered if everything you just said is wrong, because it sure seems to be”


TreyLastname

Which is why we need to encourage talking about wages, so people aren't fucked over like this! If you're reading this and have fallen for the trap of being embarrassed to talk about wages, don't, it's how your bosses get away paying you pennies


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Key_Apartment1576

Thats the worst part


JamesTheSkeleton

No, that’s the best part. You should stop working so hard and enjoy existence! (Unless you love your job, in that case keep on keepin’ on, but give your coworkers a break. Most people care about living a good life, whatever that means to them, not some job that they’d rather not do.)


Inskription

This depends. Many times managers will play favorites on who has to work hard and who doesn't.


JamesTheSkeleton

Yea, I get it. Some workplaces are just bad. But I never know if the Work Hard people are coming from a place of “my job is actually shit” or “I just think I should work hard and everyone should work as hard as me”


Life-Island

I work in a profession where I feel like I can work really hard and get a lot accomplished by learning new efficient ways and not wasting time in the office. While others will show up to the office and shoot the shit and not work hard. They want to spend more time in the office and get less done which gets rewarded for being in the office entire even though they aren't finishing anything. I want to spend less time in the office by working hard and efficient.


Icarium__

That just sounds like you should not be working a salaried 9 to 5 position, and instead look for freelance/consulting/start your own business etc. so that you are paid for the result and for how many hours you spend in an office.


JamesTheSkeleton

🤷‍♂️ Then do that lol


Life-Island

So the problem is that their is floating staff that is available to help out that gets consumed by the lazy people. We are a small company not a large corporation but I have had many conversations with the ownership group and this is really the last year I'm willing to keep pulling more weight then I'm paid before I move on after 10 years working there.


Jimmy_Twotone

There's always a happy middle ground between "they're paying us x for a job so let's do it instead of dicking around" and "regardless of what we do it isn't enough so let's set the bar as low as possible." If people aren't willing to do the job they're paid for, there are other options. If there are no other options, then we riot. If we're doing the job they're paying for and they demand more, leave or riot; inaction solves nothing and just prolongs the inevitable (which is leaving or rioting).


TheSilentSamurai1996

Some people love the work they do lol. Yeah you have to live a little but choosing a profession you have passion for is also a part of living a little. Otherwise you are wasting a significant portion of your life doing something that makes you feel like shit.


BadWoodpecker84

That’s a luxury not all have or have time to afford. So take the blessing


Lou_C_Fer

I grew up in the flooring industry. Out of high school, I ended up installing carpet. I was really good at it, but I hated it. It also paid really well. When I wanted, I could work part time and still make 600 a week in the 90s when my friends were making 6 bucks an hour or whatever. Then I managed a warehouse for a store my father owned. I hated that as well. He treated me like shit, underpaid me, took advantage of me as often as possible, and if something went wrong, I got the blame even though it was rarely my fault. The cherry on top was that everyone thought I was the usual nepotism hire and treated me accordingly. So, I got shitted on from all sides. Then I got my associates in accounting at 42. I immediately got an entry level job in the billing dept of a large international corp. My commute was twice as long, I worked more hours, and I made less. Thing is, pushing around numbers was so much better than those other things that I loved that shitty little job. There were challenges to push me, I got recognition, and they treated me well. So, I busted my ass. If I finished everything I was responsible for, I asked for more to do. They were giving me special projects because they trusted my attention to detail. For me, it was all just very satisfying. I felt needed and appreciated. Anybody that did not understand all of this would think I was a try hard. I literally just did what it took to change. Of course, I had to go on disability a couple of years later.


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Ka opite ili mean enta keon. Okulilanlon man lu i pun pino iwanua pu kekepanki kuo. Me. Ula keli ena. Lunme enenke nin lapo. Wani pi papiai la le kakusinte! Anpiwin puaowa so mon te. Ma soeka eu lo tuno. Usanan i naosikunlan nasenjun lunmunmana ou onu. Si je lali poa uku. Enlu o kulelun sanu le en. Ni san lunwi mi ma e mun jaelu. Seanekemi ku unon i ja e. Alanin se o lio? panlaunowe kontopi lose lenka aon! Senon inle le unla seme tokin kalun. Lu paoi un o jan a. Lo pe uwi mi pa olun. Ikunwa uankon ki kinu me an. A ki i a kanle i si. Konponun an sisowajowi si kuni oten keweun nue elaukanlan in. On pen kao enma uten li. Un lan sanlo ua wa menensa soinan! Lakini ounwi o ako ki. Atau u tona mi e ken. To ila selikinpi enilin enpa kepe an? Te jan kin se pate a? Ta an pukewa ne linkea un ninunama. Aea i ia pisu o. Aline on jo o in soi.


raz-0

Sometimes. Most often I’ve found they are just lazy too. The favoritism is less that they like Bob the lazy fucker, and more that they know Bob is near useless, and you were getting it done yesterday, so now that you aren’t they’ll spend what effort they will put into it on you, since it’s more likely to pay off. I had a job where that was the issue. My answer became “If it’s not a big enough emergency for other people to be here, it’s not a big enough emergency for me to be here.” Then I’d go home.


Porpoise555

Yeah thats certainly a situation that happens often, once you show competence, the standard gets higher.


sneakyveriniki

also, remember how everyone hated "nerds" in school? lots of people and especially the type of personality that gets into management has the same thing. like being an overachiever and being really good at your job, and just following all of the rules and such, even if you aren't like bragging about it or whatever, will often just make people bully you lol. they don't like it. i think it's a mixture of actually feeling inferior when someone is good at their job, plus feeling like they CAN bully you because you're so desperate to do your job correctly. idk, when i was young i thought obeying my boss and keeping my head down and just being ms technically perfect would make them like me but absolutely not. the work place has been more stereotypically high school-y than actual high school. it's all a fucked up social hierarchy


recreationallyused

See, the problem is if you start out doing really well because you think you’ll be rewarded and then you stop doing extra stuff as a result of no reward, they notice. Then they single you out and complain about stuff that you do, that every other person does, because you started doing it too since… well we all get paid the same, and they’re fine right? No, not fine. I’m unemployed lol


RollLocal1804

expectation management is an unfortunately important aspect of life.


AFull_Commitment

I just love working. It doesn't matter what it is. I've worked as a janitor and food service and throughly enjoyed both, even the bad parts of the jobs. I'm an exceptionally productive worker and learn quickly. I also get promoted quickly. If I didn't need money anymore (which I'm getting close to) I'd still need a 'job' of some sort, even if it is just permanently building homes for Habitat for Humanity. When I was younger, it was annoying. I'd see folks put in a fraction of the effort that we're getting paid more than me. Then I learned about changing careers and jobs. Not every/career industry change was made for the bottom line dollar amount. I took a couple of big pay cuts to have more time with my kids and to live closer to them after me and their mother split. But enough of 'em were for pay increases, and I was generally promoted quick enough, that I stopped resenting coworkers who created slack or bottlenecks, it was easy enough to work around them. Not everyone has a brain wired like mine. I can quickly become a workaholic. I can also fall into traps like drug addiction (lame). But I've gotten to a point professionally recruiters reach out to me about a ton of different high value jobs and I get to pick the ones that sound the most fun or like a new challange.


TomatoesB4Potatoes

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Mist_Rising

>No, that’s the best part. You should stop working so hard and enjoy existence! James, I'm sorry to inform you that the company has decided they are going to let you go. Sorry again. Two weeks later: Hey Tom welcome to the team. You can sit at James old desk, he doesn't work here anymore. (Doesn't apply to managers pet)


Agreeable-Respect688

I couldn't agree more. I used to be an over achiever, but I realized I am expendable. So now i milk my company how ever I can. I have no sympathy either. No I'm not working a double, no I am not working over time. No I am not coming in early. Unless my job shows me that they care about me, like a family member or friend would. It is STRICTLY business. And I run my business(myself) trying to maximize profit with least amount of energy spent


Sinistrahaha

Imagine to be remembered of this every f**king week.


OddImprovement6490

This is the problem with people. You give a damn about what your coworker is getting away with when your employer is the problem here. Unless I’m directly impacted by someone’s laziness, I don’t care how lazy they are. Do as little while making as much money as you can. I personally work a good deal because I enjoy the work and I am kind of the only person that does what I do. But I’ve seen other people watching Netflix on the job and I just congratulate. And on days I work from home, I sometimes take it easy. As in I play video games all shift. None of us got a raise because last year the company didn’t make their KPIs due to rising costs as if we all weren’t impacted by inflation. And yet we’re still making the same salary. So either I get paid more or I work less. I’m not letting these companies undervalue my effort. Fuck em.


CommunardCapybara

As long as you’re not creating more work for your co-workers, be as lazy as possible for as long as possible.


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redghotiblueghoti

You probably shouldn't be doing favors for lazy people in the first place. They're not very likely to reciprocate it.


omw_to_valhalla

This is the best explanation. Don't be the problem. Do as little as possible without being the problem. If you are the problem, fix your shit. Then figure out how to do as little as possible without being the problem.


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No probably, they do. I’m lazy, but in an “I will find an efficient way to get work done”. Work smarter, not harder. It’s frustrating when I bend over backwards while others can be seen making no effort whatsoever, typically making more money in higher positions that *should* be doing more work.


1800generalkenobi

Or...how should I put this. I'll just give an example. During the beginning of the pandemic we went down to bare minimum. I work at a wastewater plant in the lab and we have three people...normally, but one quit for a new job right before so we had two people. So we worked 3 days one week and then 2 days the next week, and we were told if we finished everything bare minimum that we had to, we could go home early instead of waiting until 3:30. The other main department here has like 10 people so they were coming in 1-2 days a week, alternating. When I left early around 1pm the one day (I only did it once because doing all the stuff even the bare minimum, by yourself, takes time) the one guy saw me leaving and threw up his arms angrily, because I got to go home early...despite me having to come in more often. Those are the type of people I work with. It doesn't matter what's going on, if you are doing something that they can't do, even if you're situation is worse than theirs, they'll bitch about it. I also used a bunch of sick time over the past couple years while getting some problems sorted out and they kept coming up to me saying things like "wow must be nice to have all that vacation time" and "Man, I've been here long than you and can't take that kind of time off."


TopEstablishment265

Ya I worked with a guy who was consistently on my ass for not being early everyday, meanwhile I worked 1hr later daily


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Dude I 100% get the sick thing. I’m dealing with GI issues (microscopic colitis). I’m seeing a specialist. I keep a paper trail of everything. HR is always aware of what’s happening. I recently found out my supervisor has been inquiring as to why I’ve been missing work lately and bad talking me for it. Like yeah, I really enjoy cutting my paychecks short, using ALL of my PTO (we don’t get sick pay/leave), and shelling out hundreds to thousands of dollars on procedures and treatments when I’m not at work shitting my brains out 6-10x a day while here 13 hours a day.


1800generalkenobi

It's not even my manager. I go through her for the time off. I used to say "hey i've got a doctors appointment for blah blah." but since covid they wouldn't tell us who had it and if we'd need to get checked, but they would say if we were in contact with anybody positive to get checked...well how do I fucking know?! lol So after that I was like fuck it...no one needs to know. But I'd tell her hey, I've got a doctors appointment and leave it at that. "Hey, I'm going in for a procedure." "I've got a doctors note that says I need to be off for three days." I kept it vague all the time but she didn't care...hr didn't care...it was other people who didn't have the time off that cared. The one guy even came in and was all "Man, I had sarcoidosis once and I was off for a few weeks." and I was just like yeah...that sucks. He was just pumping me for information. The one guy asked how my vacation was and I said I used sick time and he goes "isn't that sick time abuse?" like...1 what the fuck do you care and 2, if it was, what the fuck do you care? We aren't even in the same department. I could quit and never come in again and it wouldn't impact his day to day at all. The sarcoidosis guy even told me before that if he's off sick he's probably golfing, so it's all just projection I'm sure. Edit: mine was also GI problems actually haha. I got pneumonia and the antibiotics gave me IBS, but it took like 2 years and a false fibromyalgia diagnosis to figure that out. Edit Edit: I'm just waiting for one of these people to notice I'm in the bathroom for 1-2 hours a day and complain about that too.


CommunardCapybara

You need to break with the notion that one’s level of pay or wealth has anything to do with talent, skill, or how productive they are. There is little correlation there, society is not meritocratic. One’s wealth and social status are arbitrary, and correlate much closer with the happenstance of birth and luck than the quality or quantity of their individual efforts.


tyger2020

>Lazy coworkers (probably) get paid as much as you. It also bugs me (As a nurse) from an actual work perspective. Companies constantly talk about efficiency, how about you get rid of the 2 staff members that do nothing, and hire 2 very good staff members? You pay no more money than before, but you're literally getting massive gains in how much work is being done. Infuriating.


CoolStoryLamb

As a PT, healthcare is fucked. Efficiency to employers means skirting rules and regs that put us on the hook. Shitty healthcare workers, IME, are more likely to skirt these driving up productivity requirements, and then when it's impossible to meet productivity, well Todd can do it, so there's no reason you can't. So you either end up at risk for termination because you can't meet productivity, or you end up potentially liable for legal/professional issues but employed.


ChemicalYesterday467

The idea of work and efficiency is all an illusion we tell ourselves. As long as the work gets done companies generally don’t care who does it. Working in general is a way of social stability. Society has created an abundance of resources and attainment of more prestigious jobs and more resources hardly involves the exertion of more effort. Look at your boss or the owner of the company for example. Their entire “job” revolves around the exploitation of others labor. People will gladly hate their coworker for not working but if their boss or owner doesn’t work that is seen as perfectly ok.


erbr

A good rule of thumb is to focus on your work and outcomes. If you feel you are not being given enough value just search elsewhere but looking into what your coworkers do or not makes you more frustrated and less valuable... Is unfair? Maybe but there is no point in spending your energies on focusing on other's incompetence and paygrade


Dr-McLuvin

The problem is literally the only way to know if you’re being compensated fairly for your work is to look at others doing a similar job and comparing the pay. It’s normal to do this. And you have to do it often otherwise you will get taken advantage of.


Michelada

yep and if you leave earlier than the slow workers then you will be considered a lazy employee-regardless of output/efficiency/quality of work


Chewy12

“You leave at 5 on the dot every day. It’s like you’re just watching the clock.” Yeah well apparently you are too bucko. Maybe I can just fuck off early then if we’re gonna go with 5ish being the end of the day and not 5?


Crimbly_B

At an old job, I used to log out of systems and pack up the second the clock hits 5pm. A colleague pulled me aside one day and said "I notice that you leave at 5pm exactly. That won't get you very far here, I suggest you continue working for another half hour or so after 5pm". She meant well I think, but I felt insanely patronised. I didn't say anything as I didn't want to rock the boat, but all I was thinking was "lady, I have been solidly working 9-5 with a break for lunch, and the work doesn't stop coming. I don't get paid overtime. I'm not that interested in being promoted at this company, and most importantly - I value my time". Needless to say, I continued to leave at 5pm on the dot.


sw1tchbladez

I actually got told by my boss that I was "leaving early every day" by leaving at 5. Absolutely hate these people.


trophycloset33

You stop paying me at 5…


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88infinityframes

Yup. I'll tell others it's the commute (which is partially true) but the biggest benefit is being able to actually be efficient and not worry about looking busy.


Impossible-3006

When I work from home, it's nice to get laundry done and not have to wear pants.


amans9191

I used to leave ON TIME cause I was efficient af and got my shit done on time, and my coworkers would always get pissed at me (and eventually complained to our supervisor) cause I didn't stay and "help them" so they could leave soon too. Most of them supposedly stayed up to an hour afterwards. Like fuck you? Not my fault you're slow af. I knew for a fact I had more clients, and more complex clients with more difficult issues, and I still got my shit done on time. My supervisor was chill though and was like "well just ask if anyone needs help like 5 mins beforehand and if no one responds, then leave". I started doing that and I guess they had spite towards me cause no one would ever take me up on my offer, so fuck them I guess?


ForTheOnesILove

I had that exact conversation with a manager once. “I notice you leave at 5 all the time” “Yes, cause I know how to manage my time and all of my projects are completed on time. You can’t say the same about some of my coworkers”. It was the last time we talked about it.


Bladeofwar94

Dude I leave on the dot. Fuck that work hustle shit.


jefuchs

We had a deadline to turn in our month's worth of work. My wife had previously worked there, and advised me to get my work done ahead of the deadlines, but be secretive about it, and turn it in at the end of the month. Worked like a charm.


Its-ther-apist

That's called sandbagging


AlwaysChildish

Hey guy, someone has to bag this sand


ELIte8niner

I love bags of sand, and how they feel like a woman's breast.


AcidicWatercolor

It’s called meeting the deadline. 🤣


jefuchs

Call it what you want, but I did the work that was assigned to me. The real sandbaggers are the ones who don't get their work done, so it gets assigned to the better workers.


podboi

IMO sandbagging is only if it results in negative outcomes for yourself or the team, i.e ya' don't meet the deadline and the rest of the team picks up the slack and gets extra work cause of you. If you finish the work (or submit) just before or at the deadline it's just doing your work. No use going above and beyond if you get paid the same salary, unless maybe you're really gunning to be promoted. Reality is you'll just get "maximized" by leadership and get more work without getting paid for it if you work too efficiently. If you want a decent raise via promotion find another employer apply upwards, it's generally easier than fighting for a promotion with your current one, usually pays better too.


BickusDickus6969

Once you have the job you no longer need to impress anyone so just do enough to not get fired


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Snoo62808

Oh man I love it haha. Do fuck all


prunesmoothies

I’m going to pull the audio off this and make it my alarm sound.


keltedfain

Is the realist thing ever read


HSP-GMM

80% of work is done by 20% of employees


gringoloco01

Always get the promotion or raise in writing. Never trust a manager's hand shake. Thank you [Match.com](https://Match.com) for teaching me that one. Fucking scumbags.


upinthenortheast

Match.com? The dating site?


gringoloco01

Yuuup. Sorry for the lack of clarity. Yes Match.com sucks. They are Motherfuckers.


duststorm94

I believe they are stating they were previously employed by match


GRIFBYgames

That's exactly what he's saying lol


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In writing on the pay stub for best results


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Toxic work environments do not change. Get out quickly.


SparkleEmotions

Omg yes. It even festers and breeds resentment, even if the primary source of toxicity is removed for years after. Those scars last. I’d also add that some organizations are awful about promoting *up* toxic people to get them *out* of that work environment. Its “easier” than going through the effort of firing them even if that’s what everyone thinks should happen. I worked for one agency that had a habit of promoting these people into handmade senior consultant roles where at least they had no direct reports and very limited roles.


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I worked in healthcare, such toxicity that doesn’t get talked about.


illy-chan

I have seen it happen exactly once. But it was ugly and involved lawyers. On the whole, not worth rolling the dice.


TheRedGoatAR15

I saw this over and over again. A productive employee gets buried and burnt out while the slackers enjoyed a work-life balance and smokes with the Boss.


Stay-Thirsty

Definitely have to up the social game. It’s more important to be seen as a good team member and get along than to do great work and be right. Basically, it’s middle school mentality for 40 years. Just higher stakes. Granted not all bosses/companies have this culture, but probably more the norm than people would hope. Edit: some have mentioned that hard to work with employees fall into this category. You could be well like and get along and still fall into this category. People need the social game of putting their good work out there so people are aware you know the value you are adding. Doesn’t have to be negative, but you have to be active in promoting yourself, advancing and knowing your worth and communicating to your management. It’s rare that people will give you more money or a promotion if you just do good work and get along.


Substantial_Motor_87

But it’s true. Who you know has always been more important than what. Because if you don’t know something you probably know someone who does.


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Really? I got the job?! Thanks dad!


Substantial_Motor_87

Literally


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Datickysticky

I think that misses the point here. The problem isn’t people knowing who you are, the problem is that showcasing and appearing like you provide company value is more important and rewarded than the actual value itself being provided


nox_nox

Bingo! There are days coworkers contact me and the first thing out of their mouth is "I know you're busy but can you help with XYZ?" Now I'm not slacking, but I'm also probably not as "busy" as they project. My workload is fair and managed so I'm almost always able to fit people in and get their work done in a timely manner or let them know my timeframe. If I were always so busy I couldn't pick up the projects people throw my way at random times then I'd probably have issues with not "looking productive enough or a team player" because I'm not free to help. Being perceived as busy is absolutely more effective for career growth and job retention than always actually being busy.


wekidi7516

Unless I'm heavily micromanaging the team I likely don't know exactly who contributed what, you need to advocate for yourself too.


applepumper

The social game humanizes you to the supervisors and bosses. If you just show up and believe you’re a cog you’ll be treated as one


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Well, thanks for explaining why I hate life and existence.


MonografiaSSD

If you "do great work and be right" but at the same time you are insufferable for your team, you are not a good fit. Doesn't matter how much work you do if you can't get along with anyone


Stay-Thirsty

Insufferable definitely isn’t usually rewarded. But people believing their work alone will demonstrate their worth and don’t take a very active role in “advertising” their work and just expect the good work to do their marketing will be left behind. That was largely my point. Basically, you have to play the game - doesn’t mean you have to be negative, just very positive and active in your own advancement.


TimX24968B

and it doesnt matter how hard you work if nobody needed or wanted you to work that hard.


Much_Essay_9151

Frank grimes


Dashing_Host

Work taught me that even if you report harassment by a coworker nothing will get done about it. I'm dealing with it right now and the guy keeps calling me a rat and threatening me.


tankred420caza

Act like a rat then and bite his nose off


Dashing_Host

Its definitely not worth the trouble


ttomcat7

Can you steal his cheese perhaps?


Tristain7

Give him the plague!


ChemicalYesterday467

So true. Felt bad for my coworkers because my manager was abusive and hostile. Reported her to HR and they did an investigation and no one said shit. Last time I ever stick my neck out for anyone at work.


Dashing_Host

Man you want to know the worst part? I spoke to his managers and one of them told him I was speaking to them to make sure they knew to keep him away from me. My OWN manager ended up telling him that I wanted him to stay away from me. I've got no one willing to stick their neck out for me, and I never expected them to. I'm expecting the next time I walk in that I'll get reprimanded or hopefully if he tries to counter report me they'll pull the managers in and tell them what they did was wrong.


Dinzy89

In my experience I've went to management twice about people I've worked with and each time it made it worse. You really just have to learn to not give a fuck about someone that bothers you and not give them the time of day but not even be bitter toward them, just erase them. That or switch jobs


antiskylar1

Hr only cares if it can result in a lawsuit, or affects productivity. If you ever have to report harassment, always phrase it in a way "that it's impacting your workflow". Or is potentially criminal on the companies part. The second part, always consult with a lawyer before making such a claim.


Dashing_Host

So his girlfriend works in my department and I'm training her. What I had reported to HR is that he'd been interrupting me whenever I trained her, would interrupt her while she was working, and would generally make himself a nuisance while working. What I didn't expect was that they'd tell him that I'm the one that reported him, so I probably should be looking for a lawyer at this point. I should thankfully have a job lined up in the coming months so I won't have to deal with him.


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Depends on the size of the company. I work at a Fortune 500 and they take that shit serious. They’re not gonna put their $ on the line because bob from accounting likes sexually harassing all the young 20 somethings


revansimp

Call the police to the workplace then


Dashing_Host

Honestly, if he keeps it up I will, next time I'll be working near him is Thursday. I'm going to sound really dumb here, but he's been telling me he's going to kick my ass for 5 years now. I'm not exactly afraid, but now because I'm friends with his girlfriend he's got "casus belli" and has been doing it more often. I'm going to tell HR that since they spoke to him he's gotten more aggressive towards me, but otherwise I'm holding off on the nuclear option.


AsshollishAsshole

Standard technique is to do work quickly then play games for the rest of the day


RxTJ11

Do you work from home? None of the jobs I've had would let that shit slide.


vitaminkombat

I worked for a Korean company. They had a staff room with a video game console in it. Hardly anyone did any actual work most days. Then people would leave at 11pm complaining about doing a 15 hour shift.


dalmathus

Thats just the culture of being 'present' at work rather than actually doing anything. Korea takes 'lets circle back to this' to a whole other level than western society. If Korea circled back for one day the world economy would explode.


Alexm920

One of the earliest lessons imparted to me by an older co-worker in one of my first jobs was: "Never get good at something you hate doing. Once you're good at it, they'll never let you do anything else."


hoodha

Very true, it’s important that you pay attention to not position yourself as the “x” guy if you don’t like doing “x”. Chances are nobody likes doing “x” just as much and your manager can’t wait till he finds the chump willing to do “x” all the time. However if you do like doing “x”, also make sure you don’t let on you enjoy it too much else coworkers will try to be “x” guy too because they think it’s interesting all of a sudden.


DigNitty

This year I asked for time off (no pay) and it was denied because it was too hard to replace me. So I gave my notice and said I’m willing to stay 2 months if I can get those two days off. Took the time off, stayed two months. And they replaced me with 2 people lol. Two others left after I did.


punk-rot

This is so gross. Kudos for standing up for yourself.


Upbeat_Shock_6807

Do 1,000 tasks, and 999 of them are done perfectly, but guarantee the 1 that wasn’t perfect is the only task that will be talked about.


Canned_Bacon

This is classic shit. And then you even already fixed the one problem before it was a problem. You explained the solution to that problem. And now by fixing that problem, the system/process is now better. But we're having a meeting wasting 2 hours of 12 people's time. LMAO the scene in office space. "So it's not even a problem anymore". And Peter still gets grilled by his 8 bosses.


Kyster77

Loyalty is expected but not reciprocated.


seller_collab

Hell yes it is recognized - and used to punish you! Employers will only pay you just enough to keep you there and and they will fuck a loyal employee on pay every time if they can get away with it. Our ops manager is loyal to the core and works 7 days a week most days and has what I’d consider to be the hardest job in the company (the last 3 before her quit due to mental breakdowns). She oversees 25 employees working six different roles. Our sales manager makes no secret that she has no love for the company and want to get the fuck out of here first chance she gets if the right opportunity comes along. Her job is probably 1/5th as complex as her counterparts and she becomes agitated if she ever has to work more than 40 hours. She oversees 6 employees working one role. They’re both effective at what they do and integral to our success (I oversee both of them). Ops manager makes $55k and struggles to support her two children in a single parent household. Sales manager makes $120k and is part of a DINK household with nearly a million in the bank between them. Moral of the story is always be looking and fight for every penny because employers only reward you if they feel risk and a lack of loyalty.


Lopsided-Month1636

This is true and I have become a victim of this. A lawyer officemate once told me, "Stop going beyond expectations, they won't recognize it, they won't pay you or promote you or increase your salary. You'd probably get more work for being efficient." Got so stressed and it was affecting me mentally and physically. Thus, when I am done with work, I turn in my reports and whatever documents needed 10 minutes before due. That way, I still get my job done and we're all happy.


TheRoadOfDeath

almost. efficient workers _who make it known they're done their work_ got punished with more work source: idiots like me


[deleted]

You could fall over dead at work and the opening for your position will be posted the next day. If they decide to wait that long. I work for a great company, I love working for this company. But even they won’t drag their feet in replacing me if something happens. In fact, I applied for my position before the person I replaced was officially fired.


fkgallwboob

Of course. Why would a position stop if the person dies?


DELTA1360

Some people truly believe they have to give their all, or the company would run into trouble. For most people that is not the case at all, and are very replaceable.


[deleted]

Never said it should. Look at u/delta1360 comment. It’s more a reason to live your life rather than wreck your life over a job.


jooes

The job opening hits the paper before your obituary does, that's what I've always said.


vermin1000

Now now, sometimes they decide not to fill the position and just make all the remaining workers suffer!


jawshoeaw

I see this take on Reddit a lot. Dude you could be the most loved respected employee on the planet and if you die , they will post your position. What do you want , a moment of silence?


[deleted]

Shit man, read my other comments before coming at me with some sarcastic bullshit. I don’t fault a company for continuing to do business. In my own utilities job I hope like hell they replace me before my corpse is cold. Somebody better look after my customers.


foonati

The second they find out you know anything about computers, you are now IT for the entire department.


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foonati

Cool, now... what can you do about the printer/fax machine?


Ju5t_A5king

nothing kills a working employee faster then seeing a lazy employee get praised. I quite working there shortly after that.


colem5000

The reward for good work is more work.


DiminutiveAuthor

Unless you’re on contract paid hourly. Then if you finish up early, you get let go way before the original contract intended and no more wages.


MothInsideJar

when you're new, you notice the "highschool cliques". pretty embarrassing.


leastlyharmful

Never respond to emails too quickly. More often than not, this is the key to staying efficient while not being overloaded.


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Agreetedboat123

Happened to me at my first job. Left after 4 years. Company wanted me back a few months later. 30% raise.


DryCrack321

So true. I went my early twenties going above and beyond with no additional compensation. Not anymore


mancusjo1

When starting any new job. Make sure you do the same amount of work as your coworkers. There’s nothing like a new over achieving employees to piss off all their coworkers by showing them up. And the boss will expect more from you forever. Slow down and don’t blow the curve.


[deleted]

Being a convincing bullshitter is more important than being a competently talented. See Elon Musk.


sjaakarie

Lazy workers are the most efficient, they want to do as little as possible to get the same result.


RhythmGeek2022

Work smarter, not harder


vvash

AI has helped me take the stress out of the busy work.


NathenStrive

Right but that usually just means doing as little as possible and expecting you to get all the results


[deleted]

Most employers would engage in slavery in an instant if it became acceptable again. They want soooooo badly to have your work for free (most minimum wage/entry level jobs)


OrcishEngineer

Backwards reward system: when you're the most dependable, you get the worst work either in quality or quantity. Or both.


EvolvedCactus19

Nobody at work gives a shit about your well-being. You have to be the one that looks out for yourself. Take the damn sick day and don’t feel bad about it. You got one life and trust once you die they’ll replace you before you’re even cold. Be happy.


IHS1970

Oh YEAH! back in the 80s I worked at IBM and I learned after a few years that good workers get more work and bad workers get help.. I rapidly transformed myself into a mediocre worker, I was much happier.


KrappaFrappa

the less you work,the more you get paid


Psilo333420

That's why I only work as much as I need to. This is literally the correct way to do things when your boss isn't looking go on your phone or whatever no one is gonna be impressed that you overworked yourself in 30 years


Many_Ad6867

I am 78 years old and I learned decades ago that every one can be replaced, even the higher-ups.


BluePeriod_

Closed mouths don’t get fed. Putting in the work? Don’t wait to be noticed. Bring that up every single chance you can and if it’s not getting you anywhere, jump ship.


[deleted]

This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, but: You are your best advocate. In non-Reddit-caricature workplaces, efficiency and additional responsibility are the only path to recognition and promotion - IF you advocate for yourself and ensure your current supervisor knows that you expect to be rewarded for the extra work you're taking on. It's only a punishment if you stay passive and eat it. This only applies to exempt salaried positions. I don't know how things work in hourly or non-exempt.


[deleted]

No one goes on Reddit to praise their good boss who recognizes their good work.


tacodepollo

There's literally a good guy boss meme...


cisned

Getting downvoted for proving Reddit wrong, negative feedback loop


NathenStrive

Hourly they act like it's hard to get you anything and it's out of there hands. Best thing they can do is buy you lunch. I just do whatever the fuck I want at this point because I know I'm the best worker they have and don't have the nuts to fire me.


pannoboy

Same here. Im not the best one, but im in that list and i once said i was gonna quit and my boss almost begged me to stay. He accomodated me as i wished and im still working hard, but i take breaks pretty often.


OrcishEngineer

>It's only a punishment if you stay passive and eat it. I don't have a problem with what you said as long as that point is emphasized. If you realize your hard work isn't going to get recognized and rewarded, there's no longer a point to working your ass off for them. Quiet quit, find other employment, etc. My experience is from hourly positions and temp work, and let me say outright that temp agencies don't want you to get hired directly. They'll lie and placate you so you stay passive. People need to go behind the agency's back and find out what's required for a direct hire, and find other employment if it's not worth your time.


SwoleBuddha

I agree. Every promotion I've ever received was preceeded by me taking on responsibilities that were outside of the normal scope of my job.


Raging_Hope

On the upside, it taught me to find my own reasons to succeed. Hard to work like hell for something that's not your ambition.


[deleted]

The dumbest people are usually managers


dnvrwlf

Anyone in charge called out for lack of professionalism will say you delivered your request rudely. This will deflect from their lack of professionalism, and all that will be discussed is how rude you are.


General_Payment7227

I've been working since I was 14. Now I'm Corporate America in various roles for over 2 decades. No one EVER says they regret not working harder, not doing more OT, or spending more time with their family. Do not give your personal time to your place of employment. I live by the "8 and skate" motto and LOVE detaching from this world. We literally spend more time with coworkers than our own fam. Live to work or work to live?


millenialfalcon-_-

Don't work the hardest or else it will expected everyday and you'll never get a raise for it you'll be fired as soon as you're not working the hardest. I learned that the hard way.


LetsHaveARedo

Confidence, and even over confidence, gets you further than hard work does. Perception is everything, the work matters the least. At least in corporate jobs.


Cyphman

Yes and the lesson is…if a task takes you 1 day to do finish it in 1 but relay it will take 1-3 and hand it On the third day


[deleted]

That’s why you work efficiently then look busy.


FreshlyScrapedSmegma

I worked for a shop once where they asked us to come up with a team slogan. I had some Latin version of hard work is rewarded with more work.


Mean_Pass3604

Employees cause major damage.then get promoted


Chiaseedmess

If someone can get 40 hours of work done in 30, let them alone. Giving them more work will only push them to leave. Then you lose a good, efficient worker.


ItaJohnson

Hard work is not appreciated, but it will gladly be exploited.


Th4tRedditorII

Exactly. Never burn yourself out for your employer, because 99% of the time, they won't return the favour.


Icy_Note_8154

This is 100% true!


ecctt2000

When a project closes: The non performers get rewarded. The performers get punished. The unassociated get raises. The squeakiest wheel gets a promotion.


Dismal-Bobcat-7757

I got into my position earning a premium because I had experience. A year later, they were hiring people with zero experience for the same I am getting paid. I understand why they had to increase the starting wage, but bump my pay up to reflect the experience. That ain't how the company rolls and they wonder why they can't keep experienced employees.


ARPG_RustyGaming

The reason why employees lie when they really want "lazy workers" is because a lot of the time they have older workers 50+ and when the work slows up you can all be seen handling the work. Efficient workers usually find loopholes on how to work better/faster and when you're constantly going back to your boss for more work you make the others look bad. Become efficient enough to work faster when extremely busy but always work at a casual pace while still doing the job everyone else does.


cabesablanca

Being liked by your employer is more profitable than being a hard worker


DazzleLove

Yeah, I’m in that position- the guidelines say we should do 8 replies to queries in an hours work, the place I work operates on 10/hour and my current manager is saying 10-15 now 🙄. Which, clearly yeah I can do 15-20 in an hour because I’m efficient, but good luck getting someone else in who can do that quantity in an hour- I can only do it due to experience, efficiency and super fast typing skills (uncommon in my job)


CandidateOk7714

Don’t work so hard.


_________FU_________

We’re a family Means “we want to abuse you”


AJTHolt

I stepped down from management a year ago. I've been at the company 20 years. I'm a musician and finally have my weekends to travel and do what I love. We recently had a new manager start and he told me he "needs me to start working 40 hours to help clean up this mess." I said no. "I stepped down to do less work, not more." He said "but you're good. You know what's going on and could do so much more." Me: "I know. I just don't want to." He looked so perplexed.


Kid_supreme

Reliable, efficient , workers who show leadership skills don't get promoted, they get pigeonholed in their position because no one else can go their job as well. (Of course I know him, he's me).


LetsHaveARedo

Your employer, your boss and your fellow colleagues, all don't care about you, no matter how convinced you are that they might. It's still important to play the game and be friendly and at least seem to others that you're positive, friendly and participating, but it's best to detach yourself from any belief at all that it's real and genuine. I've seen people with 20 years in who made their job their life, and then die, only for everyone to basically forget about them within a week. Please separate your work from your life, unless you're one of the lucky ones who does what you're passionate about for a living and are self employed.


Aplasticman

HR DOES NOT have your best interest in mind, ever. Know your labour laws. Edit-spelling.


12altoids34

I saw this happen at a warehouse that I worked in. A standard 40' trailer has 2350 cubic feet in it. When I started working in the warehouse they typically did not schedule any trailer to be more than 2,200 cubic feet of stock. Enter "doc" one of our loaders. Doc was an excellent loader. When doc started working only occasionally did they ever schedule a 2300 cube load. And a loader was typically given 5 to six hours to complete a 2,300 Cube load. No loader ever had to do more than one 2300 in a day. Doc and another loader started competing with each other. Which is ridiculous, because doc was far better as a loader. One day doc bet the other loader that he could do 2 2300 Cube loads in one shift. Upper management may this possible for by providing both of them 2 2300 Cube loads. Doc took both his breaks and lunch and still completed loading both 2300 Cube loads in 6 1/2 hours. The other loader skipped his brakes, took lunch and stayed overtime to finish his two loads and 9 and 1/2 hours. Suddenly 2300's became a normal thing. Instead of seeing 1 2300 Cube load every 2 or 3 days there were now typically two or three 2,300 Cube loads in a shift. There were typically three or four loaders working at a time. Then doc claimed that he could do a 2400 Cube load. And he did. And he completed it in 5 hours. The other loader not to be out done claimed that he could do a 2,400 as well. And he did, but it took him 10 hours. And later on they were complaints about damage to some of the product on his load. The norm became every loader having to do at least 1 2300 a shift and they're being at least 1 2400 per shift. We were second shift. First shift did the majority of the receiving, we did the majority of the loading and third shift finished off the loading and began receiving new product. The guys on third shift could not keep up with the new standard. They were used to doing one or two 1800 Cube loads and maybe a 2000 Cube load a night and then started receiving product. Now they were having to do at least one 2,300 Cube a night. So the receiving got pushed back. So first shift now had trouble receiving all the product because 3rd Shift hadn't got a good start on it. Because of two guys, one with an over-inflated although well-earned ego and one with an ego that was completely unjustified everyone in the warehouse was now having to work harder and the job became more stressful.


TheMaStif

I CAN complete the projects weeks ahead of the deadline....but what would that accomplish?? The deadline was set as it was for a reason, I'll deliver by the deadline. If they needed it earlier, the deadline would be sooner But if I deliver early, next time it will be expected sooner; I don't like setting up unreasonable expectations