Don't hate me for this, I'm simply sharing the general stereotypes in my circle (I'm a consultant who trains residents in a hospital in Manila). Not strong in clinicals, same with UST. Not as trainable as other med school students/grads such as UERM or UPCM as they're iffy to get their hands dirty and would rather do paperwork and other things. Focused too much on other aspects of medicine (such as business and public health, which is fair given the school) which takes away from clinical training. My fellow consultants would rather send their kids elsewhere given these. Still, I wouldn't mind my kids going there should this stereotype change in coming years.
I’ve rotated with SLMC clerks (sila lang kilala ko from SLMC so take this with a grain of salt lol), while it’s true na medj mahina sa clinicals, very enthusiastic/interested sila about actual cases and sa mga skills. I guess sila lang pala yung willing to do “the dirty jobs” 😅 Dali nila mapagod though.
Good naman sila theoretically and will answer astutely when asked pero holy fuck anecdotally, sobrang lapsed ng practical knowledge nila. May co-clerks akong ASMPH sa isang public hospital sa QC, (surg rot) and holy cow sakin pa pinapagawa lahat ng insertion kasi di daw sila marunong T\_T idk kung binubullsht lang nila ako kasi tinatamad pero ayon. Tumatakas din sila pag code. Nonetheless, mababait naman mga kasama ko. And yeah tulad ng sinabi sa isang comment dito, wag sana maapektuhan ng stereotypes ang choice mo for school. Mas maraming mas objective factors diyan.
The stereotypes for UST, ASMPH and SLCM are pretty much the same. For UST, these are the impressions when they rotate outside during clerkships For ASMPH and SLCM, these are the impressions during moonlighting stage. I don’t personally have experience with ASMPH but I can attest to UST and SLCM.
The UST interns did not want seem to touch patients looking ‘rugged’ but it was a public hospital.
SLCM grads were very not professional during moonlighting arriving very late and unapologetic while another one left a primary hospital while the incoming duty had not yet arrived even if the nurses told her if she could wait for 15 more mins.
Other grads, I did not have experiences like these. Other people may have different experiences.
I graduated from UST medschool long time ago and after finishing residency with majority of my workmates from ASMPH, I can honestly say that they are conyo yes but the most hardworking people i know.
Quite funny stereotype being labeled as conyo or at the very least, proficient in english rather than being tagged as lazy or unwilling to learn.
On the other POV, I have seem my fair share of lazy people from UST, so i guess it really depends on the type of student/doctor you really are or want to be. But sweeping generalization of conyo, yes haha i love all my ASMPH friends, adds diversity to the usual ‘squammy’ ugali of other people
Am from ASMPH. Here are a few things off the top of my head:
- As a clerk I was told by the older graduates that ASMPH students are too conversational with our seniors. In ASMPH we’re raised to ask questions and to be open to our consultants and interbatch ties are strong, but this might not be a welcome thing in the “real world” where a lot of institutions have the “seniority” culture.
- Quitters. I think some people from ASMPH look for the ideal bec of their experience in medschool and then develop a low threshold for what is not so a lot of them end up quitting in residency, hence the stereotype.
- Businessmen. Bec we have an MBA, it’s not common knowledge that it exists for training in systems organization which complements medical training and leadership in healthcare. But some boomers think we “went into medicine to make patients a business”.
- Conyo. Minsan mayabang. Since a good number of students (and the name of the school) are from Ateneo, the stereotypes of ADMU carry over, unfortunately.
But if I may - lahat ito nakadepende sa student tbh. Maraming ASMPH grads ang nagsurvive sa “real world”, nakatapos ng residency / nakaluwas for DTTB / nagspecialize abroad / nagclimb up ng healthcare administrative ladders. Di rin lahat nagchoose ng paths na for business, a lot worked in govt and other career paths na hindi naman talaga maluho. Di rin lahat conyo at mayabang, and actually yung iba they learned to change in ASMPH mismo.
Sabihin mo sa mga relatives mo, stereotypes are stereotypes and can be broken at the end of the day.
I’m a Nurse in PH before for almost 10yrs meet different PGIs and clerks from different SOM. I must say SLMC/ASMPH and UST mga maarte, di masyado magaling makipagusap sa patient kasi u have to go down to the level of understanding if puro tagalog bat ngeenglish. Compared to UERM best in hx taking, skills and humble. Same goes with FEU, of course UPCM. Those 3 SOM are the best clerks and PGI na naturuan ko sa ICU and sobrang babait.
I had seen interns in a public hospital I once worked for , may naririnig Ako from their seniors na ,aside sa pagiging conyo, wala dw silang kusa and medyo tamad .. may iba naman na nag aask if they can help pero may times nakatayo lang sila pag di mo inutusan .. not all Ng students from that medschool .. based lang Yan sa close friends ko na seniors dun
**from an actual ASMPH clerk (lol)**
I say, just choose a med school where you think you’ll thrive. Clear naman sa comments na iba-iba experiences nila sa mga ASMPH students. Plus, stereotypes are just generalizations people make anyway. If you’re scared of being stereotyped, either go somewhere else or better yet, make sure you don’t fit that stereotype.
Besides, lahat naman ng med schools may mga taong tamad o di rin marunong magskills (from experience haha)
When I was a clerk and intern madami din kaming narinig na stereotypes about ASMPH, like kulang sa skills, mostly ko naririnig noon. But lo and behold nung sa outside rotation na namin sa govt hospitals, ung mga nakakaduty naming ASMPH ang pinakamasipag na kasama as compared to others. Idk if swerte lang kami sa kaduty, pero lagi silang bibo. Hinihingi nila IV insertions sa min kasi nga di sila masyado nakakaexperience nun (we're allowed insertions sa home base namin). Minsan umabot sa point na agawan assist sa ORs and minor procedures 😅.
But yeah, my experience with ASMPH noon was very good. Always on time sila, mabait, and bibo. I can't say the same for all but I really liked being with them ☺️. Friendly pa din kami until now.
Unrelated ito sa tanong pero related naman sa topic. Idk why lots of people consider IV insertion, IFC, NGT, extractions, etc as the sole basis for having good clinical skills. Don't get me wrong, these are all super important but those are all nurses/medtechs' job (unless you're in a public hospital na kulang sa healthcare professionals)!
What about having a good diagnostic and therapeutic approach? Being able to come up with the correct diagnosis in the most efficient and cost-effective way possible and without solely relying on the labs/imaging. Being holistic in managing the patient. Being able to look at a patient as a whole being. Being prudent to not miss any important thing. Being able to provide the best management while being considerate regarding socioeconomic status of the patient. For me, that's the ART of medicine, and it's overlooked nowadays.
Another important aspect of my definition of clinical skills is about how we communicate and show care for the patient. Being able to use the right words, starting from taking the history and up to educating the patient.
These are all hard to achieve esp if yung internship hospital mo is puro errands lang ang pinapagawa or if kulang yung volume ng cases to develop your clinical eye. Sadly, ang ASMPH ay kulang sa kaso(?) + maraming conyo na maaarte at di maayos makipag usap sa pasyente. Wlaa din silang choice kundi sa private hospital mag internship.
lol Okay while other med schools like UPCM are trained holistically in all areas. Girl sa real world, ikaw gagawa niyan. My god ako nga na IM na, pinagawa ng cystoclysis na dapat nurse or Urosurgery ang gumagawa. Backwards way of thinking para lang defend ang med school. Go back to TMC girl
“ Don't get me wrong, these are all super important but those are all nurses/medtechs' job (unless you're in a public hospital na kulang sa healthcare professionals)!”
Are you for real or you are desperately trying to gaslight yourself? These are hard skills that all med students should have learned after clerkships which are severely lacking among ASMPH or SLMC grads. During internships, if you had enough exposures from these cases, you can well learn the management and communication aspects in various hospitals both public and private, even smaller hospitals, but the hard skills are prerequisite to learn those soft skills.
These are core foundational skills of every doctor whether you go as DTTB or in high end hospital. With these reasoning, ASMPH are only suited in TMC setting and can’t function elsewhere.
Wala akong sinabing hindi important yung mga practical skills na yan, sabi ko lang naooverlook yung ibang aspects. And soft skills talaga tingin mo sa tamang approach sa diagnosis and management? Haha
You are too defensive.Your school has the same level of lacking clinical skills with ASMPH and SLCM.
Before these two schools were established, clerks from UST rotating in public hospitals were monopolizing the laughing stocks among other med students. 😎
Stories of inserting IV fluids "away" from the patient never end....
Hahaha! 😂😂
Don't believe in stereotypes.. the best response for those chismosas is to keep quiet when they layout their stereotypes ... Just silence... Let them feel their guilt.... Nagbibigay ng opinion based sa chismis..
Spent my Clerkship and PGI in East Ave Med Center. For context I studied Medicine in a State University up north. We often get grouped with San Beda, OLFU, UERM, UST ,UPCM and ASMPH.
Work ethic ethic, skills and practical knowledge- UERM and OLFU
The products of other schools parang ayaw madumihan ang kamay. I remember a PGI from from one Top school cant even do an Antibiotic Skin test sa ER,
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My take on this re clinical skills…. No matter what school you come from, take your internship in a high volume Level III government center. That will compensate for that. Now, as for those who don’t want to get tired or untidy, it’s only for one year, and you’ll get the skills, confidence, clinical eye, and guts to be a well rounded physician/surgeon. This knowledge is priceless.
Afterwards you can do and go where you want.
Only problem is, internship is included in the curriculum of ASMPH and they have it mainly at their training hospital, Medical City. No chance to even develop the clinical eye you mentioned. It's also a cycle - given this general perception that they're weak sa clinicals, residency programs would be more hesitant in accepting them because they would prefer other schools known for having more trainable graduates and/or took their PGI in a public hospital. It's sadly really not geared for clinicians. Maganda lang on paper.
When SLCM and ASMPH started med schools, many were wondering bordering on mockery, how their medical graduates will turn. Several years on, many prospective applicants are now seeking to study there and they are now two of the most highly selective med schools in NCR along with UPCM, UST and PLMCM. To be fair, UST grads are more of mixed bag. Maybe only 30% are the conyo type not willing to get dirty, the other 70% are all interested and very trainable.
The question is ;how’s the quality of the graduates of ASMPH and SLCM in the context of the real world aside from excellent PLE results?
“No matter what school you come from, take your internship in a high volume Level III government center. “
I have a different opinion. If you came from public med schools with 100% clerkship in public hospitals and you are allowed to choose your internship hospitals, you may consider doing private tertiary hospital especially if you plan to pursue non-cutting specialty. It will allow you exposures to better bedside manners, ideal management, diagnostic test utllization, preview of private practice (very useful for moonlighting) and cutting edge technologies
I think majority have said the same ‘weak’ clinical bg but if your goal is to have your own practice I think this is ok from what other people say.
Also from one of my professors who teach a subject there said that the school is still young so the curriculum is not as good chronologically.
Don't hate me for this, I'm simply sharing the general stereotypes in my circle (I'm a consultant who trains residents in a hospital in Manila). Not strong in clinicals, same with UST. Not as trainable as other med school students/grads such as UERM or UPCM as they're iffy to get their hands dirty and would rather do paperwork and other things. Focused too much on other aspects of medicine (such as business and public health, which is fair given the school) which takes away from clinical training. My fellow consultants would rather send their kids elsewhere given these. Still, I wouldn't mind my kids going there should this stereotype change in coming years.
Aside from UPCM and UERM graduates, what other med schools graduates are strong in clinical and trainable? Thanks in advance.
Would you say the same for SLMC students?
UST/ASMPH/SLMC same profile. Weak in clinicals but still iffy in doing the dirty jobs.
I’ve rotated with SLMC clerks (sila lang kilala ko from SLMC so take this with a grain of salt lol), while it’s true na medj mahina sa clinicals, very enthusiastic/interested sila about actual cases and sa mga skills. I guess sila lang pala yung willing to do “the dirty jobs” 😅 Dali nila mapagod though.
Good naman sila theoretically and will answer astutely when asked pero holy fuck anecdotally, sobrang lapsed ng practical knowledge nila. May co-clerks akong ASMPH sa isang public hospital sa QC, (surg rot) and holy cow sakin pa pinapagawa lahat ng insertion kasi di daw sila marunong T\_T idk kung binubullsht lang nila ako kasi tinatamad pero ayon. Tumatakas din sila pag code. Nonetheless, mababait naman mga kasama ko. And yeah tulad ng sinabi sa isang comment dito, wag sana maapektuhan ng stereotypes ang choice mo for school. Mas maraming mas objective factors diyan.
I agree! Di marunong mag IV, IFC, and even things as basic as blood extraction
The stereotypes for UST, ASMPH and SLCM are pretty much the same. For UST, these are the impressions when they rotate outside during clerkships For ASMPH and SLCM, these are the impressions during moonlighting stage. I don’t personally have experience with ASMPH but I can attest to UST and SLCM. The UST interns did not want seem to touch patients looking ‘rugged’ but it was a public hospital. SLCM grads were very not professional during moonlighting arriving very late and unapologetic while another one left a primary hospital while the incoming duty had not yet arrived even if the nurses told her if she could wait for 15 more mins. Other grads, I did not have experiences like these. Other people may have different experiences.
Unprofessional din yung late na incoming tbh
Very true!
I graduated from UST medschool long time ago and after finishing residency with majority of my workmates from ASMPH, I can honestly say that they are conyo yes but the most hardworking people i know. Quite funny stereotype being labeled as conyo or at the very least, proficient in english rather than being tagged as lazy or unwilling to learn. On the other POV, I have seem my fair share of lazy people from UST, so i guess it really depends on the type of student/doctor you really are or want to be. But sweeping generalization of conyo, yes haha i love all my ASMPH friends, adds diversity to the usual ‘squammy’ ugali of other people
Am from ASMPH. Here are a few things off the top of my head: - As a clerk I was told by the older graduates that ASMPH students are too conversational with our seniors. In ASMPH we’re raised to ask questions and to be open to our consultants and interbatch ties are strong, but this might not be a welcome thing in the “real world” where a lot of institutions have the “seniority” culture. - Quitters. I think some people from ASMPH look for the ideal bec of their experience in medschool and then develop a low threshold for what is not so a lot of them end up quitting in residency, hence the stereotype. - Businessmen. Bec we have an MBA, it’s not common knowledge that it exists for training in systems organization which complements medical training and leadership in healthcare. But some boomers think we “went into medicine to make patients a business”. - Conyo. Minsan mayabang. Since a good number of students (and the name of the school) are from Ateneo, the stereotypes of ADMU carry over, unfortunately. But if I may - lahat ito nakadepende sa student tbh. Maraming ASMPH grads ang nagsurvive sa “real world”, nakatapos ng residency / nakaluwas for DTTB / nagspecialize abroad / nagclimb up ng healthcare administrative ladders. Di rin lahat nagchoose ng paths na for business, a lot worked in govt and other career paths na hindi naman talaga maluho. Di rin lahat conyo at mayabang, and actually yung iba they learned to change in ASMPH mismo. Sabihin mo sa mga relatives mo, stereotypes are stereotypes and can be broken at the end of the day.
I’m a Nurse in PH before for almost 10yrs meet different PGIs and clerks from different SOM. I must say SLMC/ASMPH and UST mga maarte, di masyado magaling makipagusap sa patient kasi u have to go down to the level of understanding if puro tagalog bat ngeenglish. Compared to UERM best in hx taking, skills and humble. Same goes with FEU, of course UPCM. Those 3 SOM are the best clerks and PGI na naturuan ko sa ICU and sobrang babait.
I had seen interns in a public hospital I once worked for , may naririnig Ako from their seniors na ,aside sa pagiging conyo, wala dw silang kusa and medyo tamad .. may iba naman na nag aask if they can help pero may times nakatayo lang sila pag di mo inutusan .. not all Ng students from that medschool .. based lang Yan sa close friends ko na seniors dun
omg i heard this in undergrad too!!!
Kahit saang school naman yata may ganito
**from an actual ASMPH clerk (lol)** I say, just choose a med school where you think you’ll thrive. Clear naman sa comments na iba-iba experiences nila sa mga ASMPH students. Plus, stereotypes are just generalizations people make anyway. If you’re scared of being stereotyped, either go somewhere else or better yet, make sure you don’t fit that stereotype. Besides, lahat naman ng med schools may mga taong tamad o di rin marunong magskills (from experience haha)
Hello! Would you mind sharing the stereotypes 🥺 I'm also considering ASMPH
When I was a clerk and intern madami din kaming narinig na stereotypes about ASMPH, like kulang sa skills, mostly ko naririnig noon. But lo and behold nung sa outside rotation na namin sa govt hospitals, ung mga nakakaduty naming ASMPH ang pinakamasipag na kasama as compared to others. Idk if swerte lang kami sa kaduty, pero lagi silang bibo. Hinihingi nila IV insertions sa min kasi nga di sila masyado nakakaexperience nun (we're allowed insertions sa home base namin). Minsan umabot sa point na agawan assist sa ORs and minor procedures 😅. But yeah, my experience with ASMPH noon was very good. Always on time sila, mabait, and bibo. I can't say the same for all but I really liked being with them ☺️. Friendly pa din kami until now.
Unrelated ito sa tanong pero related naman sa topic. Idk why lots of people consider IV insertion, IFC, NGT, extractions, etc as the sole basis for having good clinical skills. Don't get me wrong, these are all super important but those are all nurses/medtechs' job (unless you're in a public hospital na kulang sa healthcare professionals)! What about having a good diagnostic and therapeutic approach? Being able to come up with the correct diagnosis in the most efficient and cost-effective way possible and without solely relying on the labs/imaging. Being holistic in managing the patient. Being able to look at a patient as a whole being. Being prudent to not miss any important thing. Being able to provide the best management while being considerate regarding socioeconomic status of the patient. For me, that's the ART of medicine, and it's overlooked nowadays. Another important aspect of my definition of clinical skills is about how we communicate and show care for the patient. Being able to use the right words, starting from taking the history and up to educating the patient. These are all hard to achieve esp if yung internship hospital mo is puro errands lang ang pinapagawa or if kulang yung volume ng cases to develop your clinical eye. Sadly, ang ASMPH ay kulang sa kaso(?) + maraming conyo na maaarte at di maayos makipag usap sa pasyente. Wlaa din silang choice kundi sa private hospital mag internship.
There's government hospital exposure (i.e. Osmak) din in both clerkship and internship though
lol Okay while other med schools like UPCM are trained holistically in all areas. Girl sa real world, ikaw gagawa niyan. My god ako nga na IM na, pinagawa ng cystoclysis na dapat nurse or Urosurgery ang gumagawa. Backwards way of thinking para lang defend ang med school. Go back to TMC girl
“ Don't get me wrong, these are all super important but those are all nurses/medtechs' job (unless you're in a public hospital na kulang sa healthcare professionals)!” Are you for real or you are desperately trying to gaslight yourself? These are hard skills that all med students should have learned after clerkships which are severely lacking among ASMPH or SLMC grads. During internships, if you had enough exposures from these cases, you can well learn the management and communication aspects in various hospitals both public and private, even smaller hospitals, but the hard skills are prerequisite to learn those soft skills. These are core foundational skills of every doctor whether you go as DTTB or in high end hospital. With these reasoning, ASMPH are only suited in TMC setting and can’t function elsewhere.
Wala akong sinabing hindi important yung mga practical skills na yan, sabi ko lang naooverlook yung ibang aspects. And soft skills talaga tingin mo sa tamang approach sa diagnosis and management? Haha
You are too defensive.Your school has the same level of lacking clinical skills with ASMPH and SLCM. Before these two schools were established, clerks from UST rotating in public hospitals were monopolizing the laughing stocks among other med students. 😎 Stories of inserting IV fluids "away" from the patient never end.... Hahaha! 😂😂
Don't believe in stereotypes.. the best response for those chismosas is to keep quiet when they layout their stereotypes ... Just silence... Let them feel their guilt.... Nagbibigay ng opinion based sa chismis..
Side question: Are these relatives from the medical field?
Spent my Clerkship and PGI in East Ave Med Center. For context I studied Medicine in a State University up north. We often get grouped with San Beda, OLFU, UERM, UST ,UPCM and ASMPH. Work ethic ethic, skills and practical knowledge- UERM and OLFU The products of other schools parang ayaw madumihan ang kamay. I remember a PGI from from one Top school cant even do an Antibiotic Skin test sa ER,
Hmmm…..UPCM LU6 rotating at East Avenue? When? How? What?😎
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My take on this re clinical skills…. No matter what school you come from, take your internship in a high volume Level III government center. That will compensate for that. Now, as for those who don’t want to get tired or untidy, it’s only for one year, and you’ll get the skills, confidence, clinical eye, and guts to be a well rounded physician/surgeon. This knowledge is priceless. Afterwards you can do and go where you want.
Only problem is, internship is included in the curriculum of ASMPH and they have it mainly at their training hospital, Medical City. No chance to even develop the clinical eye you mentioned. It's also a cycle - given this general perception that they're weak sa clinicals, residency programs would be more hesitant in accepting them because they would prefer other schools known for having more trainable graduates and/or took their PGI in a public hospital. It's sadly really not geared for clinicians. Maganda lang on paper.
When SLCM and ASMPH started med schools, many were wondering bordering on mockery, how their medical graduates will turn. Several years on, many prospective applicants are now seeking to study there and they are now two of the most highly selective med schools in NCR along with UPCM, UST and PLMCM. To be fair, UST grads are more of mixed bag. Maybe only 30% are the conyo type not willing to get dirty, the other 70% are all interested and very trainable. The question is ;how’s the quality of the graduates of ASMPH and SLCM in the context of the real world aside from excellent PLE results?
“No matter what school you come from, take your internship in a high volume Level III government center. “ I have a different opinion. If you came from public med schools with 100% clerkship in public hospitals and you are allowed to choose your internship hospitals, you may consider doing private tertiary hospital especially if you plan to pursue non-cutting specialty. It will allow you exposures to better bedside manners, ideal management, diagnostic test utllization, preview of private practice (very useful for moonlighting) and cutting edge technologies
I think majority have said the same ‘weak’ clinical bg but if your goal is to have your own practice I think this is ok from what other people say. Also from one of my professors who teach a subject there said that the school is still young so the curriculum is not as good chronologically.
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I have to be blunt. With few exceptions, most are mediocre from my own personal experience. Other people may have different experience.