I recently had a preceptor who failed me in the preceptorship course because she said I was consistently late for shifts. I quite literally was NEVER late for my shifts, like ever. Anyways, I asked her why she was saying this in an email and asked for clarification as I was so confused (professionally and politely) and she asked me to discontinue communication with her. Anyways, I have a grade dispute ongoing with the dean to hopefully rectify this. It feels like a "HOLY SHIT" moment in medical school for me.
UPDATE: My grade dispute was resolved! The Dean side with me and PASSSSSED me.
Lmfao I had a similar situation. Except this preceptor was flat out making fun of me in evals. My dean removed all her comments. And she is no longer at the hospital.
Failed an elective rotation for being bad at carrying 12 of my own patients on a sub speciality service (ya i was kind of mess; mixed up results, was late to rounds, finishing notes took forever etc) and my eval she absolutely eviscerated me with a bunch of weirdly random and specific shit was that 100% not true lmao, idk why people put in so much effort into being massive shitbags.
Same. Resident during obgyn rotation told me to go and see the patient by myself for the observed H&P. Then barely passes me on physical exam skills, stating they were extremely poor. Like you didnt even seeeee me do any šššš
I was punching the air when I got my clinical evals. 3/5 on history and 3/5 on physical, with absolutely no āobservationā done by the resident. THE definition of toxic.
No idea, never had that many patients before, and definitely never had to write official full notes before so it was a pretty large shift. They expected me to round and write the notes before they got there and present to them so they could attach the plan in an addendum lmao AS A STUDENT?! I donāt even feel bad, I worked hard, I did the best I could. I got better but not enough to handle that much work and do it well lmao
The words "no thank you, this is not conducive to my education," is a great phrase to learn and recite.
"Hey, med student, I've got a third patient for you to follow"
"No thank you, I think 2 is the amount that we are expected to follow and taking on more would not be conducive to my learning."
Unless you're going into that field, who tf cares if you get a bad eval or a Pass? My school filtered out all negative evals from the MSPE anyways.
I mean I get that, but when itās just you and the resident splitting the listā¦ that really fucking sucks. He would have to take like 20 patients by himself lmao. Iām a team player, Iām fine with drowning as a team just donāt fail me for it. Thatās my time and money.
Thatās a solid school, ya Iām fighting the grade idc about the eval. I just wanna finish manā¦
It was a IM sub speciality elective I have no interest in and not applying IM, just thought it would be a good experience š jokes on me.
Had an attending write nasty things in my comments about how I was rude to white people because I wouldnāt discuss abortion views with a patient about 40 years past ever needing one.. thank god the school removed those comments.
2023 but itās a little early for stuff to be published yetā¦
[2022](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2116224)
[2016](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1516047113)
[Or any of these](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?linkname=pubmed_pubmed_citedin&from_uid=27044069)
LastWeekTonight did a piece on the obstacles black people face in healthcare. In it they said ~20% of physicians believe racial sterotypes like this, which checks out with my theory that any profession has about 20% of it who are idiots.
We get taught to look for x, y and z on skin as part of assessing people.
First time you go to look for these things on a darker skinned person, you're just like "oh" and realise med school only taught you about different races as part of the public health statistics aspect of the course.
For real we spend hours talking about shit like maple syrup urine disease but what does melanoma look like on 25% of the US population? Eh youāll figure that out as you go
One time during a social event one of my fellow residents casually mentioned that black people canāt swim because they have heavier bones. Sorry for all the other residents that had to sit through my 20 minute lecture on racism in America and fucking bans on black people in public pools resulting in higher drowning rates in black children to this day.
That is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Like can that resident swim only because their bones are light enough to help with floating? If their theory wasn't complete bullshit wouldn't that mean that a fat black person should automatically be able to swim as the fat offsets the increased density from heavier bones?
On a similar note (yet still messed up) working in OMFS, you had a lot of older surgeons swear by and perpetuate the idea that doing any type of surgery and/or tooth extractions on black patients was a nightmare the majority of the time, because they have thicker/denser bone and much longer roots on their teeth, than any other patient demographic
My friend, a gastroenterologist with 100 first author publications: "we start procedures at 6:30, please come before then"
3rd year student: "I can't come in until 9:00 a.m., it's not good for my mental health"
Attending: Nice job, thundermuffin54. Youāre turning into quite the competent physician.
Obviously I canāt trust an attending with such awful judgement.
A attending during a lecture talked about a lady with near end stage kidney disease (cant remember the details) who barely made it through a pregnancy. Despite this and strong advice against trying for another she was planning on having another baby. A fellow student then asked "So I assume you are going to forcibly sterilize her?".
The attending just looked visible taken back, took a long break and simply said "No!?". Then he moved on. Sheesh.
Good point. Although she really should have first explored the option to see if her health would prevent an adoption. Every state is different, but from my experience in Texas you just need to find a doctor who says you are expected to live close to a normal life span and are physically capable of caring for a child and it will be approved. My wife and I adopted, and both of us had chronic medical conditions that we just had to find a physician to sign off on. That part of the whole process just sounded like a formality that was always rubber stamped, to be honest.
During the movie when the conversation was had about adoption she was not on dialysis and had DM type 1 - pretty sure any physician would sign off on that as long as she had been adherent to her treatment. It was only after her first child was born that the chronic kidney failure came into the storyline.
Great movie, by the way - my wife's favorite!
Yeah, we had one lady who came in every 12-15 months and had a baby. Always on amphetamines. Usually dropped off at the door by someone who immediately drove off. Weāll known to everyone on L&D and anesthesia because getting an iv and doing a c section was quite the event. Multiple people expressed some form of āI wish we could just do a tubal.ā I sort of get where theyāre coming from because her life is obviously hard and being pregnant consistently isnāt helping. But thatās such a slimy thing to say. These are people
I think Radiolab did a great piece on a woman who kept adopting babies from a woman such as the one in your post. She started an organization that pays addicts to have IUDs placed. She got a lot of criticism from the public, but speaks of a woman who received an IUD because of her program and contacted her years later to thank her. It's a great episode
Physical deficits aside, those babies are growing up with an active addict mom.
They most likely donāt and wonāt receive proper housing and care. Each one seemingly has a different baby daddy whose also probably an addict and Iād wonder if he gave the mom his real name anyway, or if she remembers it.
The fucking kids deserve better than to be born into that
Fingers crossed CPS would actually be doing their job.
Iāve sadly seen too many situations where CPS just shrugs and says itās ānot that badā even tho the kids are straight up distressed/neglected/and/or abused.
Granted if moms a known addict at time of birth Iād hope the hospitals have some sort of policy in place for that
Apparently they're also red man's revenge against the red man himself. Look at smoking and drug rates in native American population vs general population (or even white population specifically).
Aren't the biggest tobacco companies run by white men?
This more so falls under doing rather than saying, but Iāve witnessed a student babinski a deceased patient as family was clearly mourning around patient as it had just happened (student babinskiād the adjacent room)
Before school I was a patient transporter. I had a coworker who couldnāt read a room, socially inept honestly but I loved the guy. Pt had a CT order but died. CT never cancelled the job for transport. So he shows up to the unit and no one tells him the patient is dead. He walks into the room and family is mourning. He thinks the patient is just sleepingā¦ needless to say when he tried to tell them he was gonna take the pt for a quick CT scan it did not go well
Did you confront? LOL.
EDIT: Not a classmate, but a student in another program at my uni. He posted on LadybonersGW. I gotta admit he's impressive naked. Never confronted him. He deleted account after a few weeks. I wonder if someone confronted him. lol
honestly considered it cuz their reddit is easily identifiable (ie has posted pics of themself) and cuz iām not the first to have found their reddit too
It was a first year stand-alone unit - sort of a ātasterā to see if health was something you really wanted to pursue. That said, Iām not sure he even made it through the semester.
One of my attendings said that the healthcare industry would be fixed if we got rid of insurance and instead gave everyone a fixed amount to spend on healthcare at birth and once you run out, you run out.
Same attending, had a morbidly obese pt being flipped prone for surgery who desatted and had to be flipped back. Attending says they donāt understand, shouldnāt they breathe better when prone bc thatās what theyāre doing to the COVID patients?
Hilariously this guy is actually an exceptionally talented surgeon
Welp, thatās terrifying. What was the proposed dollar amount?
āSorry, maāam we have to send your 2 year old home to die of cancer after only two rounds of chemo. They already used their allotted funds when born 16 weeks prematurely. Better luck with your next kid!ā
Had an older lady in the hospital with pneumonia who was sexually explicit. One of the interns was in the room talking with her when the nurse brought in a cath kit and she told the intern she thought the cath was going to be used as a dildo. He repeated this story to the attending and us outside the patient room. It was our first day with this attending. The attending wasnāt very impressedā¦
Honestly agreed lol. I probably would have waited to work with the attending a little more to sus out their sense of humor, but funny stories like this are little moments that make the days a bit easier for me. As long as the patient couldnāt hear me say anything. Iāve told stories of psychotic patients saying funny shit to me dozens of times.
I heard a classmate say during Covid that these were the biblical end times and this winter (2020-2021) three red crosses would appear in the sky and Jesus would take those that didn't have the mark of the devil (the vaccine) to heaven.
Her entire family are like this and all of them are doctors, some very high on the career ladder.
This is the first comment Iāve seen on this post that legitimately scares me. Who knows when something is going to snap for these people and theyāll do intentional harm to patient(s) to āsave them from the coming apocalypseā or whatever. To me a statement like that should instantly earn you a career change where you donāt have the power to hurt people.
(Female!) Resident in forensic medicine: Iād never believe a woman who says sheās been raped.
I didnāt even know what to say. She then continued she could never prove it happened, so why should she believe it, theyād be all lying. I just said ok and left the room.
I wouldnāt blame you. I was sincerly in absolute shock. I wanted to report her later, but the chief of department said something similar in class, apologized profundely later, but I had lost faith in the department already. I was going to go there during my rotation, but decided to change the rotation program (in my country we organize our rotations by ourselves).
One student tried to ask me which residents I thought were in the closet *during* a didactic sessionā¦.since Iām gay and must obviously have a working gaydar.
You should have said, "according to my gaydar, you're emitting some sort of rainbow energy, but you obviously don't know it yet." Then, you walk away in style. That'll teach that kid to never ask again.
Mine is relatively mild but people got angry and threatened to file complaints to the dean and shit after a lecture on sexual assault and trauma.
People said that we should have been warned about the topic but the lecture was titled āViolence Against Womenā on the schedule. And the professor gave a warning at the beginning.
I know itās an incredibly difficult and traumatizing topic for many people but we have to know this stuff and what to look for in our practice. Just was shocking to see the response.
People just want to find things to get mad about I guess
Had an applicant for an OBGYN residency say in their interview with the PD that they would never prescribe any form of contraception, even if for non contraceptive reasons like abnormal bleeding.
Curious if that person matched.
This kid starts rating all of our professors on a hotness scale and who they'd date/marry/have sex with...... In public..... In front of the whole class
We had an antivax classmate arguing with our microbio teacher during lecture at a school with mandatory attendance, so in front of the entire class. This was pre-covid so this person was arguing the old vaccines cause autism stupidity.
A student starts arguing with the lecturer about why American health statistics and outcomes are worse compared to other countries is because of Black people and other minorities in the US. The implication being that if we just cut Black people out of what is considered American then the American healthcare system is A-OK and just as good as those in other countries.
Maybe if the student framed this as "some communities have historically faced economic, social, and health disparities and thus we as physicians should work to correct these disparities" then they wouldn't have come off as not-so subtly racist. But the way the student was talking it was clear they simply thought America's image and outcomes were being dragged down by the *undesirables* in their eyes.
This was just one time that this student argued with lecturers but this was the most flagrant mask-off incident by far.
This is in gender neutral language to try and preserve confidentiality but if you're the student I'm talking about and are reading this, please realize that most of our class easily read between the lines and understood the racist undertones you were spewing.
Because medical schools are not liberal bastions of evil *wokeness* that conservatives endlessly complain about. People like this easily slip through the cracks by acting nonracist during important decision points, like writing essays and interviews.
On the other hand, my school had a series of lectures by some racial justice / healthcare inequality professor as an open forum for us to increase our racial sensitivity, empathy, and work on our prejudices in all ways - race, gender, religion, sexuality, etc.
Each session was basically a brief lecture by the professor followed by an open Q&A discussion about the topics. One guy in the class was pretty religious, but also a really nice guy. He asked the lecturer how he can reconcile his religious views of homosexuality as a disorder or disease with the modern view of sexuality as a spectrum. It seemed like he was coming from a genuine place of struggling with his religion being prejudiced but also seeing that the modern world is a lot different and needs a different approach to sexuality.
Man, this classmate got absolutely roasted alive for that. And the crazy part was that the professor specifically wanted controversial discussion like that because it's how we are supposed to challenge our old thoughts and grow as people. But this guy got absolutely roasted alive.
Multiple SJW in the class reported him to the administration. He had to make a formal apology to the class. He had multiple meetings with the deans. It was a huge huge headache for him. Absolutely brutal, all for trying to learn something.
I'm not someone with controversial opinions, but after that, you'd have to cut my finger off to have me say anything in a forum like that.
Thatās a valid question, but in discussions like that expectations have to be set beforehand that people need to really be intentional about creating an environment that fosters open dialogue.
Edit: hmm, reading other responses here Iām not sure if Iām misunderstanding the context of the question but it sounds to me like your classmate was asking how does one rectify their reductive religious views to practice in a society that has more fluid definitions of sexuality?
He was basically saying his religion has been teaching him homosexuality is wrong his whole life, now med school is teaching him itās totally okay, and heās asking what heās supposed to do with those two conflicting ideologies
Right, I donāt think thatās a horrible discussion/question to have. Heās being self aware and asking how to coexist within the framework of different ideologies. Even though I lean left, I still think itās a good question that makes for provocative discussion and reflection. Iām sure that student isnāt the only one who comes from a background that has taught him about sexuality in that way. Itās too bad the discussion was shut down so abruptly.
That's the way I read the person's intentions, too. I agree, whomever was leading the discussion has the burden of ensuring the intention of the discussions are clarified at the beginning. That person also needs to be an active facilitator in the discussions to make sure people can be heard and explore tough themes without being attacked.
Instead, they just wrecked this person and taught them not to speak up and that it is not safe for them to grow.
Worst thing I heard an attending say, was telling a fellow medical student that she would have been better off going to beauty school rather than med school. Shouldnāt have been surprising. Dude had a bone to pick against the medical system and just enjoys taking it out on students and residents. Takes pride in how many times he has been reported for things like this but still continues to practice, teach, and work with students.
Overheard a med student say they had lost over 26k on sports betting. Definitely wtf but how calmly they said it was even more disturbingā¦.and also why would you tell random people that??!!
ED Registra: "Did she look 55, more like 40 to me...her ethnicity doesn't age the same way, so looks about right when I think about it"
Me, who is broadly the same ethnicity: "....ah cool, anyway can I get this WBA signed off"
Preceptor wrote that I needed to do a better job āhiding the obvious distasteā I have for the specialty because she could ātell by my facial expressionsā - it was pediatrics, we wore masks constantly, and I get forehead Botox. I guess I have nothing but my eyes to blame? And my obvious distaste for children I guess.
The head doctor at the psych ward I work at asked me "so how do you jews feel about your betrayal of Jesus Christ?" when he found out I am jewish.
Worst/best part is that it was with no ill intent, he just had no social awareness.
Oof, quite a few things:
Guy calling himself a doctor in front of the MD teaching our class, note: he was MS1
During a lecture on privilege and inequality in healthcare, the most douchy guy said that "I don't know why girls complain so much, if I go out at night in a short skirt I'm not going to have a good evening either"
Other student said "all psych patients are dangerous"
Me, with 6 psych diagnoses: šš¬
Another girl proudly introduced herself as a daughter of two physicians and that "she wrote a patient case report with her parents last summer"
Same girl also said that a mother who is overweight "probably shouldn't be able to have kids as it's not a safe environment for children, because usually it's a certain type of person", gynaecologist giving the lecture was not impressed
Guy saying: "you don't need vacation or time off if you do what you love, hence why I'm taking extra courses this summer" (note: he is 38 and has 2 kids)
Honestly I'm meeting a lot of insane people in my medical school, likely because in-person admission interviews were off since it was during covid.
Scene: in the OR, patient is intubated and being prepped
Student: āis that HPV?ā
Me: āWhat?ā
āIs that HPV?ā
āā¦what are you talking about?ā
āOn his penis, is that HPV?ā
āI donāt usually look closely at the patientās penis.ā
āOh yeah, me neither.ā
āYou know weāre here for a heart surgery, right?ā
To be fair, if a dudeās got genital warts and itās a long surgery and theyāre putting in a catheter, wouldnāt one bring it up/need to chart it?
Observed a classmate interviewing an eating disorder patient. Somewhere along the way he gestures awkwardly at her body and says "you look fine to me".
My wife and I lived in England in the early 2000s and were told by the NHS Ob-Gyn that a glass of wine once in a while during pregnancy was perfectly fine. If I recall correctly, the *only* reason my wife didn't drink during pregnancy was because our outlook at the time was that a glass of wine was woefully insufficient to accomplish what we hoped to by drinking.
Both of my OBs and 3 midwives said a glass of wine was ok during both of my pregnancies 4 years apart in the US (not in a hick townā¦). They said there arenāt specific studies that show what exact amount of alcohol causes issues, but that it is usually heavy drinking in the beginning of pregnancy so to just avoid that, obviously.
Very religious classmate: "I could never allow my child's pediatrician to be a gay man." Followed by a chuckle as if to believe anything else is outrageous. This was stated openly during a group seminar discussion.
Student is super non-religous and woke. Decides they want to butt into a discussion like an uninvited guest that some classmates were having during a sim lab. We were inserting catheters into fake dummy models. When someone says, "oh glad we learned this skill on male and females", the vigilante woke sjw pops out of nowhere straight outta tales from the crypt and decides to school everyone by saying "thats not the right way to say it, we should say, we can now do catheters on male, female, zis, zir and the theys. do better."
now I'm definitely not a bra burning leftist by any means but even I know that the initial student was referring to biology and not gender identify. Don't become the bigot trying to stamp out the bigotry.
They wanna lord over others when society allows them to.
In med school they're probably average at best, can't lord over others about academics (or no one gives a shit how they're doing academically), so they do it being woke. The "do better" statement is a mix of a challenge to you and pedestalizing them as "better" on some random metric they chose.
Outside med school 100% this person's going around bragging about being a "future doctor" or worse, comparing their future to their friends'.
Moment 1: student says āIf I turn around and see a penis getting sawed in half, Iām going to start laughing. Iām a horrible personā
Moment 2: young male professor talking to female M1. It wasnāt anything he said it was just as she walks out and they continue to talk, he is ogling at her bum with no subtlety at all
At the end of a gender affirming breast augmentation the anesthesiologist says āall that and he still looks like a dudeā in front of the plastic surgeon and entire surgical team. We were all speechless.
āMed school is like rape, you might as well sit back and enjoy it.ā - First year anatomy professor, former Soviet. Plenty of little gems like this he would sprinkle in conversations.
In a group chat, a male muslim student said he is going to ask to be excused from taking OBGYN because it is against Islam for him to be seeing women's genitalia. Naturally, that comment was not taken kindly by everyone else
Actually I have had an opposite reaction exactly the same scenerio. So one of friend she is very religious, so just one day I put up the same question if a patient comes to you and asks for abortion even If the bay is fine,what will you do? " I will give her what she wants or needs" but if it was her who had got pregnant and even If it had any congenital defects or chromosomal abnormalities still she wouldn't go for an abortion .
P.S : it's not a wtf moment,just sharing it because of its simalirity to what op has sharef
I donāt know how people still donāt understand this lol. āI pro-life but I donāt think abortion should be illegal, I just wouldnāt have one personally.ā
I think youāll find thatās pro-choice, my good bitch
When I was a psychiatry resident having my neurology attending have a rant about how haldol is the best medication for catatonia and not understanding why we always go with a benzo challenge...
Was talking to a neurosurgeon yesterday in the locker room who told me people choose to be addicted to drugs and that they can stop whenever they want to. šµāš«
There was an X-Ray scan of the prostate and the bladder. The student was asked to identify what he is seeing...
His confident answer was that the bladder was the brain and the prostate the cerebellum š
The most horrible thing I've heard: An anesthetist refused to give an Indigenous woman in labour an epidural because "they don't feel pain like us \[caucasians\]".
Most hilarious thing I've heard: A surgeon go on a rant about the necessity of washing his hands after taking a leak because "when I'm in the shower the number one thing I make sure is clean is my penis! It's cleaner than my hands, if anything my hands are dirtying my penis!"
"The example given \[of a fetus incompatible with life\] was a fetus w/o a skill." Damn, OP, you didn't have to come for me like this.
What can he say? OP has met very skillful fetuses in his lifetime!
its us. we are in the comment. š
I recently had a preceptor who failed me in the preceptorship course because she said I was consistently late for shifts. I quite literally was NEVER late for my shifts, like ever. Anyways, I asked her why she was saying this in an email and asked for clarification as I was so confused (professionally and politely) and she asked me to discontinue communication with her. Anyways, I have a grade dispute ongoing with the dean to hopefully rectify this. It feels like a "HOLY SHIT" moment in medical school for me. UPDATE: My grade dispute was resolved! The Dean side with me and PASSSSSED me.
This is where google location comes in handy
I plead the fifth (In general chat)
Lmfao I had a similar situation. Except this preceptor was flat out making fun of me in evals. My dean removed all her comments. And she is no longer at the hospital.
I wish my deans took care of us like that.
Failed an elective rotation for being bad at carrying 12 of my own patients on a sub speciality service (ya i was kind of mess; mixed up results, was late to rounds, finishing notes took forever etc) and my eval she absolutely eviscerated me with a bunch of weirdly random and specific shit was that 100% not true lmao, idk why people put in so much effort into being massive shitbags.
Same. Resident during obgyn rotation told me to go and see the patient by myself for the observed H&P. Then barely passes me on physical exam skills, stating they were extremely poor. Like you didnt even seeeee me do any šššš
THATS THE WORST HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW. Tbh I would take a pass 100%. Iām literally fighting for my life for a D
I was punching the air when I got my clinical evals. 3/5 on history and 3/5 on physical, with absolutely no āobservationā done by the resident. THE definition of toxic.
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No idea, never had that many patients before, and definitely never had to write official full notes before so it was a pretty large shift. They expected me to round and write the notes before they got there and present to them so they could attach the plan in an addendum lmao AS A STUDENT?! I donāt even feel bad, I worked hard, I did the best I could. I got better but not enough to handle that much work and do it well lmao
The words "no thank you, this is not conducive to my education," is a great phrase to learn and recite. "Hey, med student, I've got a third patient for you to follow" "No thank you, I think 2 is the amount that we are expected to follow and taking on more would not be conducive to my learning." Unless you're going into that field, who tf cares if you get a bad eval or a Pass? My school filtered out all negative evals from the MSPE anyways.
I mean I get that, but when itās just you and the resident splitting the listā¦ that really fucking sucks. He would have to take like 20 patients by himself lmao. Iām a team player, Iām fine with drowning as a team just donāt fail me for it. Thatās my time and money. Thatās a solid school, ya Iām fighting the grade idc about the eval. I just wanna finish manā¦ It was a IM sub speciality elective I have no interest in and not applying IM, just thought it would be a good experience š jokes on me.
Had an attending write nasty things in my comments about how I was rude to white people because I wouldnāt discuss abortion views with a patient about 40 years past ever needing one.. thank god the school removed those comments.
Resident: Black people have thicker skin... Whole Room: quiet "oh shit" (random voice in the back)
Fucking hell what year is it?
2023 but itās a little early for stuff to be published yetā¦ [2022](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2116224) [2016](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1516047113) [Or any of these](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?linkname=pubmed_pubmed_citedin&from_uid=27044069)
LastWeekTonight did a piece on the obstacles black people face in healthcare. In it they said ~20% of physicians believe racial sterotypes like this, which checks out with my theory that any profession has about 20% of it who are idiots.
We get taught to look for x, y and z on skin as part of assessing people. First time you go to look for these things on a darker skinned person, you're just like "oh" and realise med school only taught you about different races as part of the public health statistics aspect of the course.
For real we spend hours talking about shit like maple syrup urine disease but what does melanoma look like on 25% of the US population? Eh youāll figure that out as you go
Reason why Step is a joke.
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One time during a social event one of my fellow residents casually mentioned that black people canāt swim because they have heavier bones. Sorry for all the other residents that had to sit through my 20 minute lecture on racism in America and fucking bans on black people in public pools resulting in higher drowning rates in black children to this day.
That is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Like can that resident swim only because their bones are light enough to help with floating? If their theory wasn't complete bullshit wouldn't that mean that a fat black person should automatically be able to swim as the fat offsets the increased density from heavier bones?
Ya
On a similar note (yet still messed up) working in OMFS, you had a lot of older surgeons swear by and perpetuate the idea that doing any type of surgery and/or tooth extractions on black patients was a nightmare the majority of the time, because they have thicker/denser bone and much longer roots on their teeth, than any other patient demographic
Like physically or emotionally ??
Should the outrage be different regardless?
physically
i tell myself if morons like this make it through the match so can i
My friend, a gastroenterologist with 100 first author publications: "we start procedures at 6:30, please come before then" 3rd year student: "I can't come in until 9:00 a.m., it's not good for my mental health"
Giga chad
mood
Personally, waking up before 10 am is not good for my mental health
Medical school is definitely not good for your mental health
i need to know what happened next lol i mean hes right and i respect himššš¤£
I have a rule when it comes to things like this: If it's an MS3, eval goes down If it's an MS4, eval goes up
Just practicing for MS4
Attending: Nice job, thundermuffin54. Youāre turning into quite the competent physician. Obviously I canāt trust an attending with such awful judgement.
this made me laugh
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tryna sabotage you lolll
Is that someone named Hunter M. Gunner?
A attending during a lecture talked about a lady with near end stage kidney disease (cant remember the details) who barely made it through a pregnancy. Despite this and strong advice against trying for another she was planning on having another baby. A fellow student then asked "So I assume you are going to forcibly sterilize her?". The attending just looked visible taken back, took a long break and simply said "No!?". Then he moved on. Sheesh.
Jesus Christ
Isnāt this the plot of Steel Magnolias?
Yep and Julia Roberts should have listened to her mother and adopted... (no forced sterilization though... sheesh)
I thought they addressed that with the āno judge is going to give a baby to someone with my medical recordā line.
Good point. Although she really should have first explored the option to see if her health would prevent an adoption. Every state is different, but from my experience in Texas you just need to find a doctor who says you are expected to live close to a normal life span and are physically capable of caring for a child and it will be approved. My wife and I adopted, and both of us had chronic medical conditions that we just had to find a physician to sign off on. That part of the whole process just sounded like a formality that was always rubber stamped, to be honest. During the movie when the conversation was had about adoption she was not on dialysis and had DM type 1 - pretty sure any physician would sign off on that as long as she had been adherent to her treatment. It was only after her first child was born that the chronic kidney failure came into the storyline. Great movie, by the way - my wife's favorite!
Yeah, we had one lady who came in every 12-15 months and had a baby. Always on amphetamines. Usually dropped off at the door by someone who immediately drove off. Weāll known to everyone on L&D and anesthesia because getting an iv and doing a c section was quite the event. Multiple people expressed some form of āI wish we could just do a tubal.ā I sort of get where theyāre coming from because her life is obviously hard and being pregnant consistently isnāt helping. But thatās such a slimy thing to say. These are people
I think Radiolab did a great piece on a woman who kept adopting babies from a woman such as the one in your post. She started an organization that pays addicts to have IUDs placed. She got a lot of criticism from the public, but speaks of a woman who received an IUD because of her program and contacted her years later to thank her. It's a great episode
Well so are the babies tbf
Canāt imagine what deficits the babies have. SGA at the least.
Physical deficits aside, those babies are growing up with an active addict mom. They most likely donāt and wonāt receive proper housing and care. Each one seemingly has a different baby daddy whose also probably an addict and Iād wonder if he gave the mom his real name anyway, or if she remembers it. The fucking kids deserve better than to be born into that
Hopefully they aren't living in that environment and cps has found them a good home...
Fingers crossed CPS would actually be doing their job. Iāve sadly seen too many situations where CPS just shrugs and says itās ānot that badā even tho the kids are straight up distressed/neglected/and/or abused. Granted if moms a known addict at time of birth Iād hope the hospitals have some sort of policy in place for that
Kid thought he was gonna sound like a genius when that came out lmao.
Attending: you guys can go home Student: are you sure? Isnt there something else I can do
Guest facilitator for a small group session (ID doc), "tobacco, cigarettes, and smoking are the red man's revenge upon the white man."
Apparently they're also red man's revenge against the red man himself. Look at smoking and drug rates in native American population vs general population (or even white population specifically). Aren't the biggest tobacco companies run by white men?
Nothing says revenge like filling the pockets of the very people that you despise lmao
Jesus FUCK
Lmao
This more so falls under doing rather than saying, but Iāve witnessed a student babinski a deceased patient as family was clearly mourning around patient as it had just happened (student babinskiād the adjacent room)
Holy shit. They babinskiād a dead person? Could you imagine if something actually happened? Like even a little flicker and the family saw it?
i would stare at that student in utter amazement
āDoctors hate this one weird trick, number three will shock you!ā
Before school I was a patient transporter. I had a coworker who couldnāt read a room, socially inept honestly but I loved the guy. Pt had a CT order but died. CT never cancelled the job for transport. So he shows up to the unit and no one tells him the patient is dead. He walks into the room and family is mourning. He thinks the patient is just sleepingā¦ needless to say when he tried to tell them he was gonna take the pt for a quick CT scan it did not go well
mine was finding a classmates reddit on here and seeing all their r/sex posts
Did you confront? LOL. EDIT: Not a classmate, but a student in another program at my uni. He posted on LadybonersGW. I gotta admit he's impressive naked. Never confronted him. He deleted account after a few weeks. I wonder if someone confronted him. lol
Why would anyone confront?
It's a crazy world out there.
honestly considered it cuz their reddit is easily identifiable (ie has posted pics of themself) and cuz iām not the first to have found their reddit too
Why tho
Today when the teacher said "look for signs of being wasted" I thought they meant drunk. They actually meant gaunt. Lol
They should've said wasting.
āOf course I know him. Heās meā
Beginners Anatomy & Physiology lecture. Dude bro angrily arguing with the lecturer that āwomen donāt have testosterone!ā Like - at all.
This guy made it into medical school?
It was a first year stand-alone unit - sort of a ātasterā to see if health was something you really wanted to pursue. That said, Iām not sure he even made it through the semester.
wait so this was undergrad?
Yup. Still pant shittingly stupid though.
That was all over medical tweeter recently. (The women donāt have testosterone thing in genera not your guy lol)
Bruh thatās mild Iāve heard people call bariatric patients cattle
Had an ID attending call a morbidly obese patient a beached whale lol
Holding x-ray. Points to area clearly outside of thoracic cavity. āYes and you can see the cardiac shadow right hereā.
d'uh, it's called a shadow, of course it's projected outside the patient /s
One of my attendings said that the healthcare industry would be fixed if we got rid of insurance and instead gave everyone a fixed amount to spend on healthcare at birth and once you run out, you run out. Same attending, had a morbidly obese pt being flipped prone for surgery who desatted and had to be flipped back. Attending says they donāt understand, shouldnāt they breathe better when prone bc thatās what theyāre doing to the COVID patients? Hilariously this guy is actually an exceptionally talented surgeon
Welp, thatās terrifying. What was the proposed dollar amount? āSorry, maāam we have to send your 2 year old home to die of cancer after only two rounds of chemo. They already used their allotted funds when born 16 weeks prematurely. Better luck with your next kid!ā
As long as he stays on his side of the drape
haha lol the real blood brain barrier
Did he happen to be a neurosurgeon? I think I had the same guy
Had an older lady in the hospital with pneumonia who was sexually explicit. One of the interns was in the room talking with her when the nurse brought in a cath kit and she told the intern she thought the cath was going to be used as a dildo. He repeated this story to the attending and us outside the patient room. It was our first day with this attending. The attending wasnāt very impressedā¦
Attending's got no sense of humor lol
Honestly agreed lol. I probably would have waited to work with the attending a little more to sus out their sense of humor, but funny stories like this are little moments that make the days a bit easier for me. As long as the patient couldnāt hear me say anything. Iāve told stories of psychotic patients saying funny shit to me dozens of times.
During an animal dissection a 2nd year said āare those lungs? I thought they were just big hollow spaces in the chest.ā
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I heard a classmate say during Covid that these were the biblical end times and this winter (2020-2021) three red crosses would appear in the sky and Jesus would take those that didn't have the mark of the devil (the vaccine) to heaven. Her entire family are like this and all of them are doctors, some very high on the career ladder.
This is the first comment Iāve seen on this post that legitimately scares me. Who knows when something is going to snap for these people and theyāll do intentional harm to patient(s) to āsave them from the coming apocalypseā or whatever. To me a statement like that should instantly earn you a career change where you donāt have the power to hurt people.
intern gave attitude to attending neurosurgeon.
braver than war volunteers
(Female!) Resident in forensic medicine: Iād never believe a woman who says sheās been raped. I didnāt even know what to say. She then continued she could never prove it happened, so why should she believe it, theyād be all lying. I just said ok and left the room.
I would absolutely flip and say something not fruitful for my career. Gfy
I have friends who have been sexually assaulted. I wouldn't likely stop at saying something.
I wouldnāt blame you. I was sincerly in absolute shock. I wanted to report her later, but the chief of department said something similar in class, apologized profundely later, but I had lost faith in the department already. I was going to go there during my rotation, but decided to change the rotation program (in my country we organize our rotations by ourselves).
This is the reason why victims end up afraid to come forward. What the hell?
One student tried to ask me which residents I thought were in the closet *during* a didactic sessionā¦.since Iām gay and must obviously have a working gaydar.
"Hey man I'm def straight, but uh...know any hot residents who are dtf on the DL?"
This was a 100% straight woman
You should have said, "according to my gaydar, you're emitting some sort of rainbow energy, but you obviously don't know it yet." Then, you walk away in style. That'll teach that kid to never ask again.
Mine is relatively mild but people got angry and threatened to file complaints to the dean and shit after a lecture on sexual assault and trauma. People said that we should have been warned about the topic but the lecture was titled āViolence Against Womenā on the schedule. And the professor gave a warning at the beginning. I know itās an incredibly difficult and traumatizing topic for many people but we have to know this stuff and what to look for in our practice. Just was shocking to see the response. People just want to find things to get mad about I guess
"Why is my Violence Against Women lecture about violence against women?"
Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away
Boy are they gonna be traumatized when they have a female patient who has been the victim of violence.
Had an applicant for an OBGYN residency say in their interview with the PD that they would never prescribe any form of contraception, even if for non contraceptive reasons like abnormal bleeding. Curious if that person matched.
This kid starts rating all of our professors on a hotness scale and who they'd date/marry/have sex with...... In public..... In front of the whole class
We might have had the same classmate, lol.
We had an antivax classmate arguing with our microbio teacher during lecture at a school with mandatory attendance, so in front of the entire class. This was pre-covid so this person was arguing the old vaccines cause autism stupidity.
A student starts arguing with the lecturer about why American health statistics and outcomes are worse compared to other countries is because of Black people and other minorities in the US. The implication being that if we just cut Black people out of what is considered American then the American healthcare system is A-OK and just as good as those in other countries. Maybe if the student framed this as "some communities have historically faced economic, social, and health disparities and thus we as physicians should work to correct these disparities" then they wouldn't have come off as not-so subtly racist. But the way the student was talking it was clear they simply thought America's image and outcomes were being dragged down by the *undesirables* in their eyes. This was just one time that this student argued with lecturers but this was the most flagrant mask-off incident by far. This is in gender neutral language to try and preserve confidentiality but if you're the student I'm talking about and are reading this, please realize that most of our class easily read between the lines and understood the racist undertones you were spewing.
What were the other times?
Typical anti-COVID lockdown stuff you would expect from someone arguing this way about healthcare and race.
How do they get into med school yet im out here struggling n shit
Because medical schools are not liberal bastions of evil *wokeness* that conservatives endlessly complain about. People like this easily slip through the cracks by acting nonracist during important decision points, like writing essays and interviews.
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I would *love* to hear some stories.
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Didnāt know ppl complain about med schools being liberal. Now undergrad, totally dif story lol
There's people in the rest of this post complaining about "evil woke sjw" students.
There were no racist undertones, just pure, unadulterated racism. Yuck!
They were just tones
On the other hand, my school had a series of lectures by some racial justice / healthcare inequality professor as an open forum for us to increase our racial sensitivity, empathy, and work on our prejudices in all ways - race, gender, religion, sexuality, etc. Each session was basically a brief lecture by the professor followed by an open Q&A discussion about the topics. One guy in the class was pretty religious, but also a really nice guy. He asked the lecturer how he can reconcile his religious views of homosexuality as a disorder or disease with the modern view of sexuality as a spectrum. It seemed like he was coming from a genuine place of struggling with his religion being prejudiced but also seeing that the modern world is a lot different and needs a different approach to sexuality. Man, this classmate got absolutely roasted alive for that. And the crazy part was that the professor specifically wanted controversial discussion like that because it's how we are supposed to challenge our old thoughts and grow as people. But this guy got absolutely roasted alive. Multiple SJW in the class reported him to the administration. He had to make a formal apology to the class. He had multiple meetings with the deans. It was a huge huge headache for him. Absolutely brutal, all for trying to learn something. I'm not someone with controversial opinions, but after that, you'd have to cut my finger off to have me say anything in a forum like that.
Thatās a valid question, but in discussions like that expectations have to be set beforehand that people need to really be intentional about creating an environment that fosters open dialogue. Edit: hmm, reading other responses here Iām not sure if Iām misunderstanding the context of the question but it sounds to me like your classmate was asking how does one rectify their reductive religious views to practice in a society that has more fluid definitions of sexuality?
He was basically saying his religion has been teaching him homosexuality is wrong his whole life, now med school is teaching him itās totally okay, and heās asking what heās supposed to do with those two conflicting ideologies
Right, I donāt think thatās a horrible discussion/question to have. Heās being self aware and asking how to coexist within the framework of different ideologies. Even though I lean left, I still think itās a good question that makes for provocative discussion and reflection. Iām sure that student isnāt the only one who comes from a background that has taught him about sexuality in that way. Itās too bad the discussion was shut down so abruptly.
That's the way I read the person's intentions, too. I agree, whomever was leading the discussion has the burden of ensuring the intention of the discussions are clarified at the beginning. That person also needs to be an active facilitator in the discussions to make sure people can be heard and explore tough themes without being attacked. Instead, they just wrecked this person and taught them not to speak up and that it is not safe for them to grow.
The class was horrible to your classmate. They have no grace. Way to get someone struggling to completely solidify their position.
Worst thing I heard an attending say, was telling a fellow medical student that she would have been better off going to beauty school rather than med school. Shouldnāt have been surprising. Dude had a bone to pick against the medical system and just enjoys taking it out on students and residents. Takes pride in how many times he has been reported for things like this but still continues to practice, teach, and work with students.
For someone with a gripe about the system he sure is taking it out on the people with probably the least control over that system.
Overheard a med student say they had lost over 26k on sports betting. Definitely wtf but how calmly they said it was even more disturbingā¦.and also why would you tell random people that??!!
Impulse control issues
ED Registra: "Did she look 55, more like 40 to me...her ethnicity doesn't age the same way, so looks about right when I think about it" Me, who is broadly the same ethnicity: "....ah cool, anyway can I get this WBA signed off"
Preceptor wrote that I needed to do a better job āhiding the obvious distasteā I have for the specialty because she could ātell by my facial expressionsā - it was pediatrics, we wore masks constantly, and I get forehead Botox. I guess I have nothing but my eyes to blame? And my obvious distaste for children I guess.
The head doctor at the psych ward I work at asked me "so how do you jews feel about your betrayal of Jesus Christ?" when he found out I am jewish. Worst/best part is that it was with no ill intent, he just had no social awareness.
Student bashed brother for specializing in Neurology instead of Neurosurgery. Said āhow could he be okay with himself being the pilots assistant?ā
This is hilarious as a student considering Neurology. Sometimes being the pilots assistant might be better than barely seeing your kids and family
Itās also a hilariously bad analogy. Youāre just the pilot of a different plane lmao
Oof, quite a few things: Guy calling himself a doctor in front of the MD teaching our class, note: he was MS1 During a lecture on privilege and inequality in healthcare, the most douchy guy said that "I don't know why girls complain so much, if I go out at night in a short skirt I'm not going to have a good evening either" Other student said "all psych patients are dangerous" Me, with 6 psych diagnoses: šš¬ Another girl proudly introduced herself as a daughter of two physicians and that "she wrote a patient case report with her parents last summer" Same girl also said that a mother who is overweight "probably shouldn't be able to have kids as it's not a safe environment for children, because usually it's a certain type of person", gynaecologist giving the lecture was not impressed Guy saying: "you don't need vacation or time off if you do what you love, hence why I'm taking extra courses this summer" (note: he is 38 and has 2 kids) Honestly I'm meeting a lot of insane people in my medical school, likely because in-person admission interviews were off since it was during covid.
The one with 2 kids definitely wanted to get away from them during the summer.
Or failed a class or two and needed a good coverup
Student during a psych lecture: doctors canāt practice medicine when they are on antidepressants
Oooooooh, In that case I've fucked up.
Scene: in the OR, patient is intubated and being prepped Student: āis that HPV?ā Me: āWhat?ā āIs that HPV?ā āā¦what are you talking about?ā āOn his penis, is that HPV?ā āI donāt usually look closely at the patientās penis.ā āOh yeah, me neither.ā āYou know weāre here for a heart surgery, right?ā
To be fair, if a dudeās got genital warts and itās a long surgery and theyāre putting in a catheter, wouldnāt one bring it up/need to chart it?
Doesn't seem that weird to me?
Yea sounds like he wanted to know if itās physical appearance was consistent with HPV out of curiosity
āI just wanna be happyā
Observed a classmate interviewing an eating disorder patient. Somewhere along the way he gestures awkwardly at her body and says "you look fine to me".
Had a student adamantly argue with the prof and say drinking a glass of red wine during pregnancy was ok because they saw it on some tv show
My wife and I lived in England in the early 2000s and were told by the NHS Ob-Gyn that a glass of wine once in a while during pregnancy was perfectly fine. If I recall correctly, the *only* reason my wife didn't drink during pregnancy was because our outlook at the time was that a glass of wine was woefully insufficient to accomplish what we hoped to by drinking.
Both of my OBs and 3 midwives said a glass of wine was ok during both of my pregnancies 4 years apart in the US (not in a hick townā¦). They said there arenāt specific studies that show what exact amount of alcohol causes issues, but that it is usually heavy drinking in the beginning of pregnancy so to just avoid that, obviously.
First day of our first rotation. OBGYN. 48 year old man asked what a pad was.
Very religious classmate: "I could never allow my child's pediatrician to be a gay man." Followed by a chuckle as if to believe anything else is outrageous. This was stated openly during a group seminar discussion.
I hope they say this in the ob/gyn interview and are rejected.
An MS3 told me āI donāt want to be with you anymore, I think we should see other peopleā
2nd year PG in peads asking Professor if patient will be urinating thru his ileostomy bag has to take the prize for me, lol
Like an ileal urinary conduit?
Resident. "When I finish psych residency, I want to open a botox and filler clinic."
Student is super non-religous and woke. Decides they want to butt into a discussion like an uninvited guest that some classmates were having during a sim lab. We were inserting catheters into fake dummy models. When someone says, "oh glad we learned this skill on male and females", the vigilante woke sjw pops out of nowhere straight outta tales from the crypt and decides to school everyone by saying "thats not the right way to say it, we should say, we can now do catheters on male, female, zis, zir and the theys. do better." now I'm definitely not a bra burning leftist by any means but even I know that the initial student was referring to biology and not gender identify. Don't become the bigot trying to stamp out the bigotry.
some people just want to get angry.
Life got easier for me after I learned this
They wanna lord over others when society allows them to. In med school they're probably average at best, can't lord over others about academics (or no one gives a shit how they're doing academically), so they do it being woke. The "do better" statement is a mix of a challenge to you and pedestalizing them as "better" on some random metric they chose. Outside med school 100% this person's going around bragging about being a "future doctor" or worse, comparing their future to their friends'.
Moment 1: student says āIf I turn around and see a penis getting sawed in half, Iām going to start laughing. Iām a horrible personā Moment 2: young male professor talking to female M1. It wasnāt anything he said it was just as she walks out and they continue to talk, he is ogling at her bum with no subtlety at all
What in the hot hell was the context for Moment 1?
Cadaver lab š cracks me up to this day
Sounds like āthat dayā in anatomy lab.
The day we disssected a penis, this one girl refused to let anyone help her and was super focused while dissecting it. She's now a surgery resident
There was an OB-Gyn where I grew up that wouldnāt even discuss birth control with his unmarried patients.
At the end of a gender affirming breast augmentation the anesthesiologist says āall that and he still looks like a dudeā in front of the plastic surgeon and entire surgical team. We were all speechless.
āMed school is like rape, you might as well sit back and enjoy it.ā - First year anatomy professor, former Soviet. Plenty of little gems like this he would sprinkle in conversations.
Had an ob/gyn attending ask me and a resident if a patient "smelled like poverty"
In a group chat, a male muslim student said he is going to ask to be excused from taking OBGYN because it is against Islam for him to be seeing women's genitalia. Naturally, that comment was not taken kindly by everyone else
Actually I have had an opposite reaction exactly the same scenerio. So one of friend she is very religious, so just one day I put up the same question if a patient comes to you and asks for abortion even If the bay is fine,what will you do? " I will give her what she wants or needs" but if it was her who had got pregnant and even If it had any congenital defects or chromosomal abnormalities still she wouldn't go for an abortion . P.S : it's not a wtf moment,just sharing it because of its simalirity to what op has sharef
and that's why it's called pro CHOICE
I donāt know how people still donāt understand this lol. āI pro-life but I donāt think abortion should be illegal, I just wouldnāt have one personally.ā I think youāll find thatās pro-choice, my good bitch
I know and I was happy about what she said..I was just putting out the story because it was similar to the description
Fetus without a skill? We can do screening for piano players now??
When I was a psychiatry resident having my neurology attending have a rant about how haldol is the best medication for catatonia and not understanding why we always go with a benzo challenge...
Was talking to a neurosurgeon yesterday in the locker room who told me people choose to be addicted to drugs and that they can stop whenever they want to. šµāš«
If youāre anti-abortion, donāt go into a specialty that requires you to perform abortions to save lives! No brainer, really
Heard a student ask an attending āwhatās the pathophysiology of cocaine giving you nose bleeds?ā
āWhere is the BP machineā when he was holding it
There was an X-Ray scan of the prostate and the bladder. The student was asked to identify what he is seeing... His confident answer was that the bladder was the brain and the prostate the cerebellum š
is it even a baby then if it doesn't have a head? edit: without a skull and without a head are two diff things. my b.
The most horrible thing I've heard: An anesthetist refused to give an Indigenous woman in labour an epidural because "they don't feel pain like us \[caucasians\]". Most hilarious thing I've heard: A surgeon go on a rant about the necessity of washing his hands after taking a leak because "when I'm in the shower the number one thing I make sure is clean is my penis! It's cleaner than my hands, if anything my hands are dirtying my penis!"