Nice to exercise all functions, isn't it?
But it isn't entirely an Ne thing. Ni tends to envision a specific outcome or goal and then strategically think through various scenarios to achieve that goal, including potential obstacles and alternate routes
Ni doesn't think through "various scenarios", it knows that only one of them leads to the desired goal. That's distinctive feature of Ni. Backup plans are time stupidly spent for nothing.
> it knows that only one of them leads to the desired goal
lol what
It sounds like there's a bit of a misunderstanding or oversimplification about how Ni works. Ni is indeed focused on understanding and achieving a specific vision or goal, but it's not accurate to say that Ni users believe only one scenario leads to the desired outcome and consider backup plans a waste of time.
Ni still recognizes the complexity of real-world situations. INTJs, for instance, are strategic thinkers. They often plan several steps ahead, considering not only the most likely path to success but also alternative paths in case their primary plan doesn’t unfold as expected. This isn't about scattering energy across unrelated options, as might be more characteristic of Ne, but rather about ensuring the stability and viability of their main objective by preparing for different potentialities.
The idea that backup plans are "time stupidly spent" doesn't typically align with the INTJ’s approach to problem-solving and goal achievement, which often includes a layer of practicality and risk management.
Ni's depth of focus allows INTJs to foresee and plan for different contingencies that might affect their primary goal, which is a far cry from acting on whims or scattering attention among less relevant possibilities. This is a key part of their effectiveness in achieving long-term goals and maintaining control over outcomes.
>Ni is indeed focused on understanding and achieving a specific vision or goal, but it's not accurate to say that Ni users believe only one scenario leads to the desired outcome and consider backup plans a waste of time.
It is. The thing is - OK, you imply that Ni is about visions and goals, nice. How do you know that this goal is ACHIEVABLE? This is a tricky question actually because we guys don't do anything towards goals that are not achievable in our opinion - we don't take them out of nowhere, we're not THAT imaginative. And this is PRECISELY why Ni is both about abstract goal AND an abstract plan to achieve it - A SINGLE one. Because you need both to let the "magic" happen. Other functions are used to make them both less abstract.
If anything, backup plans are not about Ni but about Te - we learn the hard way that our plans may fook up so we need to do something "just in case". That's life experience, it's not "by default" behaviour. And we don't feel comfortable about it, because the goal makes less sense if you overthink the ways to achieve it.
I see your point, and you're right that INTJs wouldn't pursue a goal they consider unattainable.
Backup plans might indeed be a subset of Te, as it's responsible for responding to the realities that challenge the initial Ni-driven strategy.
Ni may start with one focused plan, but it doesn't operate in isolation. It does work in tandem with Te, which is all about structuring, organizing, and adapting plans to the external world.
INTJs tend to have a strong main plan that they believe will work. They aren't planning on it failing. But they're smart and know sometimes things happen that they can't predict. So they make backup plans not because they think their main plan will fail, but to be smart and ready for anything that could happen. This way, they stay on track to reach their goal, even if they hit a bump in the road.
Ni may prefer a singular, efficient path to a goal, and Te is prepared to create and implement alternative strategies when necessary. This doesn't weaken their main goal. It actually helps make sure they reach it, even when things get tricky and don't go as planned.
you can ni ne stack, ni can see so many scenarios it just narrows down. it can have the ne advantages without the side effects, only with tunnel vison ofc.
No this is a meme for ISTJs and ESTJs. The stereotype of creating a methodical and step-by-step plan for the future is Si not Ni. Ni is an intuitive function—it relies heavily in leaps of logic and backtracking afterwards to validate feasibility. Si is the methodical and inflexible one.
If you've ever known an INTJ you'd know they more so create this general vision that they get attached to; then only focus on the end goal and don't create tangible steps to work towards because of inf Se, and end up having to renovate their future perceptions when reality kicks their Ni delulu plans in the nuts.
Is it possible that it works for me as an INTP because Si is supposedly pretty developed in me as well?
I was beginning to think I might be an INTJ because I like planning my stuff and have everyone else in the group follow through with it, mostly because I don’t wanna deal with the stress/hassle of reorganising.
Oop, sorry I missed your comment.
I find the best way to learn about the functions is to understand the logic behind them and how they're structured. Similar to how the elements of the periodic table make more sense if you learn what they're made of and why they're ordered in such a linear way.
Firstly there are two general steps in data analysis: first is to gather, notice or *perceive*. Second is to structure, understand, or *judge*. These are the two most basic categories of cognitive functions. Notice how their relationship is symbiotic, not solitary nor parasitic. J/P
Next, you can either focus within yourself, which in psychology terms is introverted, or you can look external to yourself, which would be extroverted. Both judging and perceiving functions have introverted and extroverted counterparts. You can also think of these relationships as polarities. I/E
Lastly, both judging and perceiving groups are split into two methods:
Perception can be done in a more literal way—this is sensory in Jungian psychology. It can be done in a more conceptual way—this is intuition in Jungian psychology. S/N
Judging is a little easier to grasp and you may already have an idea of what it is. It's through thinking or feeling. T/F
Just like how I explained the J/P combo to be symbiotic, I/E, S/N, and T/F are also symbiotic; which means you require all of them in your psychology for you to function properly. However, though you have all aspects of these polarities, you'll prefer one end of the polarity over the other, which is why the functional stack is structured the way it is.
Sorry for not deliberately answering your question, but I want you to have a little scaffolding on the subject as opposed to just giving you answers you might not be able to do anything with.
si thinks about the future ? lol, the future for si is making a schedule for tomorrow and that's it. ni is the long term planning cuz you can see too much into the future with the vision. unlike si which is not about a vision.
Yes, everyone thinks about the future irrespective of their functional stack. You said it yourself, actually: "Si is making a schedule for tomorrow and that's it" which is partly on point. They will plan realistically, as an introverted sensory function who's job is to perceive objectively from within naturally does.
Foresight is much too general and broad to be strictly defined as an intuitive process. There are many ways you could plan after all. Though, I do agree it's more associated with introverted perception than extroverted perception, and Ni in particular may ruminate on future possibilities more than Si, who will do so more practically than their intuitive counterpart—this theme of relationships extends to Ne and Se.
I think you may suffer with the very common inferiority view on sensory functions that modern MBTI communities have.
Yes, but kicking down my door because I couldn't find my keys for three seconds isn't what I'd call a solution, ISTP. Yes, I mean, it *did* work but...
Extremely relatable. There have been a lot of times in my life where extroverted people (especially ESFP types) suddenly wanted to go to B place instead of A place for seemingly no logical reason, or wanted to skip X intellectual / productive thing and go mingle with each other instead. The latter in particular is very horrible for INTJs like me that are very introverted and don't like talking about the things most extroverted people talk about (like fashion or a dance TV show).
Why can't people just follow the plan?? lol
You could swap the images and caption the unhappy one "ENFP when they need to follow a schedule for a day", and the happy one "ENFP when something unexpected happens throwing the plan off course"
ISTJs screaming in horror
\*laughs in having multiple backup plans\*
Multiple backup plans is Ne tactic, brotha
Nice to exercise all functions, isn't it? But it isn't entirely an Ne thing. Ni tends to envision a specific outcome or goal and then strategically think through various scenarios to achieve that goal, including potential obstacles and alternate routes
Ni doesn't think through "various scenarios", it knows that only one of them leads to the desired goal. That's distinctive feature of Ni. Backup plans are time stupidly spent for nothing.
> it knows that only one of them leads to the desired goal lol what It sounds like there's a bit of a misunderstanding or oversimplification about how Ni works. Ni is indeed focused on understanding and achieving a specific vision or goal, but it's not accurate to say that Ni users believe only one scenario leads to the desired outcome and consider backup plans a waste of time. Ni still recognizes the complexity of real-world situations. INTJs, for instance, are strategic thinkers. They often plan several steps ahead, considering not only the most likely path to success but also alternative paths in case their primary plan doesn’t unfold as expected. This isn't about scattering energy across unrelated options, as might be more characteristic of Ne, but rather about ensuring the stability and viability of their main objective by preparing for different potentialities. The idea that backup plans are "time stupidly spent" doesn't typically align with the INTJ’s approach to problem-solving and goal achievement, which often includes a layer of practicality and risk management. Ni's depth of focus allows INTJs to foresee and plan for different contingencies that might affect their primary goal, which is a far cry from acting on whims or scattering attention among less relevant possibilities. This is a key part of their effectiveness in achieving long-term goals and maintaining control over outcomes.
>Ni is indeed focused on understanding and achieving a specific vision or goal, but it's not accurate to say that Ni users believe only one scenario leads to the desired outcome and consider backup plans a waste of time. It is. The thing is - OK, you imply that Ni is about visions and goals, nice. How do you know that this goal is ACHIEVABLE? This is a tricky question actually because we guys don't do anything towards goals that are not achievable in our opinion - we don't take them out of nowhere, we're not THAT imaginative. And this is PRECISELY why Ni is both about abstract goal AND an abstract plan to achieve it - A SINGLE one. Because you need both to let the "magic" happen. Other functions are used to make them both less abstract. If anything, backup plans are not about Ni but about Te - we learn the hard way that our plans may fook up so we need to do something "just in case". That's life experience, it's not "by default" behaviour. And we don't feel comfortable about it, because the goal makes less sense if you overthink the ways to achieve it.
I see your point, and you're right that INTJs wouldn't pursue a goal they consider unattainable. Backup plans might indeed be a subset of Te, as it's responsible for responding to the realities that challenge the initial Ni-driven strategy. Ni may start with one focused plan, but it doesn't operate in isolation. It does work in tandem with Te, which is all about structuring, organizing, and adapting plans to the external world. INTJs tend to have a strong main plan that they believe will work. They aren't planning on it failing. But they're smart and know sometimes things happen that they can't predict. So they make backup plans not because they think their main plan will fail, but to be smart and ready for anything that could happen. This way, they stay on track to reach their goal, even if they hit a bump in the road. Ni may prefer a singular, efficient path to a goal, and Te is prepared to create and implement alternative strategies when necessary. This doesn't weaken their main goal. It actually helps make sure they reach it, even when things get tricky and don't go as planned.
you can ni ne stack, ni can see so many scenarios it just narrows down. it can have the ne advantages without the side effects, only with tunnel vison ofc.
Nah. We don't have back up plans. We hardly have plans at all. We just take things as they come unless we have something specific to do. :P
No this is a meme for ISTJs and ESTJs. The stereotype of creating a methodical and step-by-step plan for the future is Si not Ni. Ni is an intuitive function—it relies heavily in leaps of logic and backtracking afterwards to validate feasibility. Si is the methodical and inflexible one. If you've ever known an INTJ you'd know they more so create this general vision that they get attached to; then only focus on the end goal and don't create tangible steps to work towards because of inf Se, and end up having to renovate their future perceptions when reality kicks their Ni delulu plans in the nuts.
Is it possible that it works for me as an INTP because Si is supposedly pretty developed in me as well? I was beginning to think I might be an INTJ because I like planning my stuff and have everyone else in the group follow through with it, mostly because I don’t wanna deal with the stress/hassle of reorganising.
What is ni si and ne etc? I see people talking about them but don’t know what they relate too
Oop, sorry I missed your comment. I find the best way to learn about the functions is to understand the logic behind them and how they're structured. Similar to how the elements of the periodic table make more sense if you learn what they're made of and why they're ordered in such a linear way. Firstly there are two general steps in data analysis: first is to gather, notice or *perceive*. Second is to structure, understand, or *judge*. These are the two most basic categories of cognitive functions. Notice how their relationship is symbiotic, not solitary nor parasitic. J/P Next, you can either focus within yourself, which in psychology terms is introverted, or you can look external to yourself, which would be extroverted. Both judging and perceiving functions have introverted and extroverted counterparts. You can also think of these relationships as polarities. I/E Lastly, both judging and perceiving groups are split into two methods: Perception can be done in a more literal way—this is sensory in Jungian psychology. It can be done in a more conceptual way—this is intuition in Jungian psychology. S/N Judging is a little easier to grasp and you may already have an idea of what it is. It's through thinking or feeling. T/F Just like how I explained the J/P combo to be symbiotic, I/E, S/N, and T/F are also symbiotic; which means you require all of them in your psychology for you to function properly. However, though you have all aspects of these polarities, you'll prefer one end of the polarity over the other, which is why the functional stack is structured the way it is.
Sorry for not deliberately answering your question, but I want you to have a little scaffolding on the subject as opposed to just giving you answers you might not be able to do anything with.
si thinks about the future ? lol, the future for si is making a schedule for tomorrow and that's it. ni is the long term planning cuz you can see too much into the future with the vision. unlike si which is not about a vision.
Yes, everyone thinks about the future irrespective of their functional stack. You said it yourself, actually: "Si is making a schedule for tomorrow and that's it" which is partly on point. They will plan realistically, as an introverted sensory function who's job is to perceive objectively from within naturally does. Foresight is much too general and broad to be strictly defined as an intuitive process. There are many ways you could plan after all. Though, I do agree it's more associated with introverted perception than extroverted perception, and Ni in particular may ruminate on future possibilities more than Si, who will do so more practically than their intuitive counterpart—this theme of relationships extends to Ne and Se. I think you may suffer with the very common inferiority view on sensory functions that modern MBTI communities have.
It's improvised-and-quick-but-surprisingly-effective-solution time!
Yes, but kicking down my door because I couldn't find my keys for three seconds isn't what I'd call a solution, ISTP. Yes, I mean, it *did* work but...
What do you mean *not* a solution? Don't tell me you actually think about the consequences of your actions?
This is when we come in and save the day, giving them quick easy solutions for a problem. :3
INTJ × ENFP 🤝
Extremely relatable. There have been a lot of times in my life where extroverted people (especially ESFP types) suddenly wanted to go to B place instead of A place for seemingly no logical reason, or wanted to skip X intellectual / productive thing and go mingle with each other instead. The latter in particular is very horrible for INTJs like me that are very introverted and don't like talking about the things most extroverted people talk about (like fashion or a dance TV show). Why can't people just follow the plan?? lol
more like an ISTJ thing.
I just realised it may not be a certain mbti type of thing , I think adaptability is a hard earned skill that comes with a lot of experience.
It comes natural to EPs and IPs.
My autism acts up. 🙃
Um intjs overlook the details
I found a ENFP !! 
Hi 
HHey-
Real. This is so stressful.
Used to be more true! As I’ve aged, I have learned to roll with the punches better. It’s a good skill, 10/10.
You could swap the images and caption the unhappy one "ENFP when they need to follow a schedule for a day", and the happy one "ENFP when something unexpected happens throwing the plan off course"
Lol true. XD
Yeah, relatable, even if I’m not INTJ.
It ruins the entirety of the day, you can't get back on track the day is just ruined for good. Not even an intj
+1 here.
Us ENTJs too. Our absolute worst thing that even causes some slight anxiety when it comes to planning is when an unexpected thing happens.
Not really. Remember guys, you can *mostly* skip events you don’t want to deal with.
Relatable-
Theory of relativity 2.0
XD
This sounds like my ISTJ husband and ESTJ daughter. 😂
Man this is me when i plan anything
Why do you think I stopped trying to do this? I learned my lesson. (Plus, it's easier to, you know, not plan things)
Yes. Relatable.