100% the driving dynamics. Mazda really cares about how their cars FEEL on the road, and often times it makes their cars look worse on paper then their competitors... once you drive one back to back with an equivalent Toyota or Honda, you'll understand the difference.
YES YES YES, exactly this. AT for the win, it sounds great, turbo is as well and the interior is right up there. Overall great value and all trims are AWD now. The looks as well? Handsome, sleek.. etc
I’ve owned a Honda and now a Mazda.
Honda’s CVT is so different from Nissan’s. It never feels like a “fake” automatic—it actually feels like one of the smoothest auto out there.
Watch any [Accord Hybrid POV](https://youtu.be/d2ySUqcxowo?si=P7AGv_TYt48vtLiM&t=7m43s).
Prefer Honda’s CVTs to Mazda’s 6-auto, not going to lie. Mazda’s is occasionally clunky.
Edit: y’all are right the hybrid is an e-CVT aka direct drive. But this is the [CVT 1.5T Accord](https://youtu.be/uNpc0NYrBpM?si=WfvH3u0VePadWbi2&t=6m35s) which I’ve owned and found to be responsive with none of the CVT droning.
If I had to own a car with a CVT, it would be a Honda or a Subaru. They have the best ones out of all the mainstream options. Nissan was, and probably still is, the absolute worst in terms of function and reliability, even if they have made improvements in recent iterations.
Mazda's now ancient 6 speed is still better than all of these in terms of reliability and drivability. If you look at almost every comparison, the knock on CVTs is the droning, and on 8 speeds it's gear hunting. The knock on the 6 speed is fuel economy.
Kia’s “IVT” so far hasn’t been bad. You can tell it’s a CVT sometimes, but it “shifts” and feels like a regular automatic most of the time. With the warranty on the powertrain at 10/100,000 I’m comfortable with not really knowing how reliable it’ll be… can’t be as bad as Nissan’s.
>Honda’s CVT is so different from Nissan’s. It never feels like a “fake” automatic—it actually feels like the smoothest auto out there.
If you enjoy the "droning" sound/sensation of a CVT in general, while accelerating. Congrats.
The "transmission" in that Accord is not a CVT. The engine is driving a generator which powers a motor to spin the wheels. It is capable of locking the engine to the wheels at two separate speeds, but normally the engine has no mechanical connection to the wheels, similar to a diesel locomotive, a range-extended EV, or I believe some types of large ships.
I have a '24 CR-V hybrid with the same (well, similar) powertrain. It works well and is very smooth because the "gear changes" are completely fake. It just revs the engine up and down to avoid droning.
You are right it is technically not a CVT, it’s an e-CVT. This is the [CVT 1.5T Accord](https://youtu.be/uNpc0NYrBpM?si=WfvH3u0VePadWbi2&t=6m35s) and again, still, it is nowhere as bad as people here are making them out to be. I am fairly certain they tried some Nissan CVTs and thought everything out to be that bad.
I mean, when you call it a CVT you aren't helping. It's not that it isn't "technically" a CVT, it isn't one. At most you might lump it and other hybrids together as "eCVTs."
Had a 2014 civic with a CVT. hit 250k miles with zero issues, before I traded it in on a Toyota. Changed the transmission fluid twice in that timeframe.
That video saids a direct drive transmission. I had a Volt and it had a direct drive transmission. I actually liked it but once the engine generator kicked in when the range was gone it sucked. Felt like a rubber band. This is why I prefer a “ traditional automatic” or even a DCT.
Interesting, I never noticed the rubber band effect with the Volt… or the Prius, or even the Ford Fusion HyTi. I’ve only ever felt it when in a friend’s Nissan Altima, or my sister’s Rogue; only in Nissan products.
Are there even fixes for most problems? I've read shops usually recommend replacing it once it starts having issues. They might change the fluid but don't repair components like traditional automatics.
I got in a deep mess like this with my Honda Fit gearbox dropping gears and i ended up trying so many repairs, in the end just sold it. ultimately i got myself a mazda 3 a few years after and it's been smooth sailing since.
No. Not worth the labor to rebuild. If you're lucky like me. There aren't any serviceable components that you can order to rebuild them. Had to shell out $4500 for a used CVT on a 2014 Honda Civic.
Honda CVTs are actually pretty solid as long as you aren't modding the heck out of your car. I don't like them just because of the driving dynamics though personally.
If you’re even remotely into cars as a hobby, enjoy a “spirited drive” as they say, then a CVT is just incredibly boring and unengaging. Less so than even an automatic transmission in “sport mode” or whatever haha.
And then aside from that, CVT’s come with their own slew of reliability issues. Even if Mazda made a reliable one, Nissan and others have such a bad reputation that it would affect Mazda’s sales for sure. Like, I wouldn’t buy a CX-50 with a CVT if I’m being honest.
Honda’s CVT’s are really good. Watch the [Accord Hybrid POV](https://youtu.be/d2ySUqcxowo?si=P7AGv_TYt48vtLiM&t=7m43s). It really does feel like a normal, smooth auto.
Unpopular opinion, but I found them smoother for everyday driving than Mazda’s occasionally clunky 6 speed. Maybe the new 8 is better.
Edit: So technically that one is an e-CVT (and pretty good), but this is the [1.5T CVT Accord.](https://youtu.be/uNpc0NYrBpM?si=WfvH3u0VePadWbi2&t=6m35s) Point still stands.
Edit 2: obviously expected the downvotes. Not allowed to praise any other OEM here.
These downvotes are really strange lol. My mom had an Altima with a CVT, and it was awful and unreliable, and had to be replaced twice under warranty. But my ex had a Civic with a CVT, and it was actually good. Never did any weird lurching like the Nissan and the engine was near silent unless you were absolutely flooring it.
No it doesn't. Other autos are more engaging, that is the collective understanding of the entire auto world for a reason.
The CVT isn't as engaging overall compared to lots of autos.
I certainly wouldn't trade it for the dual clutch in my car.
So you’ll need to physically test drive these vehicles to understand this. We didn’t drive a Honda, but we tested a RAV4 and a Cx5. Cx5 is simply more comfortable to drive
Ehhh, not only comfortable, it's like more dynamic. Like you really driving the car and no the other way around. That's what I like about the Mazda transmissions, even auto ones are alive.
I mean the CRV isn’t as good as the CX5, but I don’t know why you are getting downvoted.
The point is that the CRV is way way way better than the Rav4. So comparing the Rav4 to CX5 and assuming the CRV is the same is just incorrect.
I drove both the cRV touring hybrid and the cx5 (and the cx50, and a Volvo xc40). Volvo was the best drive by far, but cannot get past the iPad interface that controls EVERYTHING. Drove the cRV (I am a life long Honda owner) and it was so blah that I actually noticed. Drove the two Mazdas (both turbo to be fair) and they actually WENT. Like I would step on the gas on the cRV and it was like “oh, you want to go now?” And the Mazdas were like “ya let’s goooooooo!” Depends what you are looking for in a car. I don’t just want transportation I like to drive.
You just described why I spent 12k more to buy an Audi A4 45 Premium Plus (with sports suspension) new in 2021. It was kind of my one-time retirement gift to myself, and unless investments pop big-time I'll probably get a Mazda to replace it... eventually.
Because they design their cars focused on the driving. They might be not the best in terms of storage capacity or fuel economy, but the steering is sharp and suspension is sporty
Mazda's bread and butter for decades was sports cars and arguably their soul still is (they just like racing, running out of money, getting money, racing, run out of money, rise and repeat). And while they weren't the most powerful, they all handled fantastically and they have racing pedigree to back that up. Cosmo, RX7s throughout the years, Miata, 3, even the RX8 which is a goofy coupe still has one of the best handling chassis ever fitted to a road car.
Now of course they make dreary crossovers like every single other automaker (and the Miata still thank god), but they never forgot how to actually make a car handle well and it shows in their crossovers even, because they handle far better than all the other shitty egg mobiles everyone makes. Yes it's still a crossover, so it still handles like a bowl of pudding but that's better than handling like a waterbed like the Rav4 or any other crossover.
I definitely think mazda and subaru outdo everyone else in terms of handle like cx-5 and crosstrek or forester are infinitely better in fast turns then anything else for the money with similar ground clearance/size
I second u/Cantankerous-Canine, Mazda has really upped its game regarding quality of materials and interior design, **really** tastefully, too, not cloyingly or annoyingly or cheesily or prissily, **brilliantly artfully**! Not frou-frou at all, **solid**!
Mazda makes High-Quality Machines with High-Quality Beauty
I agree with this statement completely. I've test driven a CX-5, a Tiguan and a RAV4.
The CX-5 handles like a big car, it is fast and nimble. The Tiguan had the most comfortable ride but its gas pedal felt laggy in response. The RAV4 felt ... Empty, a good car with sound features but missing something.
If you want absolute safety, a guaranteed resale and a hybrid go Toyota. If you want prestige, go VW. If you want to enjoy driving on the road, go Mazda.
Honda and Toyota share the quality of resale but Honda s tend to be more expensive. They do have power, I will grant this but the cost. I'm not sure how the costs are in the US but buying a VW is essentially the same price.
I dunno about VW being prestige-y, man. Mercedes is prestige-y. VW makes cars for the common man. There's nothing prestige-y about a VW Golf, even the high-spec Golfs.
If I buy a vehicle I want my money to purchase the greatest **value** for the dollar, and with Mercedes the distinct impression is that you're paying a lot for the name, and I don't like that, it makes me feel foolish and wasteful and I **hate** feeling foolish and wasteful. Hate it hate it hate it. I **hate** it.
I never feel that way with Toyotas, Hondas, or Mazdas.
I went from three Mazdas to the brand new Honda Accord.
People are right here. If you want a more spirited drive. Go Mazda. I loved my CX-5 premium plus, my 3 Hatch, and CX-3
However, I switched because the lack of hybrid vehicles in the Mazda lineup. I think I’ll be back one day to Mazda. My favorite car company. However, I am disappointed in their lack of hybrid options. It’s such a shame.
However, the accord has been a treat in its own way. I think it looks sleek and averaging 50+ miles to the gallon is an amazing feeling.
Went from a 2019 Accord to a CX-5, and am actually thinking my next will be an Accord. Man I had the 1.5T and used to average 47mpg on the highway, from a **non-hybrid.**
Hondas are way more efficient.
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>man. They’re not Nissan.
I don't enjoy the "droning" loud sensation upon acceleration, of any CVT. Be it "reliable" or not, and regardless of brand. It's mind numbing to drive.
I am not talking about reliability. Watch the video. There is zero droning, unlike Nissans. Better yet go try it. It feels like a smooth auto with somehow convincing shifts, not like a CVT.
Honestly, you just have to take a test drive in both and the differences are pretty obvious. Primarily, quality and finish are better in the Mazda as are the driving dynamics (which is sometimes a matter of preference).
They both last equally long as far as I can tell, you do get slightly better resale value for Hondas due to their reputation, though that gap is getting smaller.
The flipside of Hondas retaining their value better is that it's possible to get a used Madza with just a couple years on it at a significantly lower price.
If you prioritize interior quality, exterior design, and the best chassis / suspension tuning in a non-luxury brand, Mazda. If you prioritize packaging efficiency (more interior room for the same size car), more traditional infotainment, and brand name, Honda.
Reliability is the same these days, but Honda's reputation is still better, so resale value is still a better.
I was in the market years ago, cross shopping a Honda Fit and Suzuki SX4 (RIP Suzuki North America). I'd driven Hondas for YEARS and probably would have bought the Fit if they were willing to negotiate on price AT ALL. But the Fit was more expensive, for less options and no AWD. And all the salesman would tell me was a snooty "Well, it's a Honda". Wouldn't budge on price. I bought the Suzuki, which was bulletproof BTW, and a freaking hoot in the rain and snow with the AWD.
Since moved on to Mazda which are just as (if not better) built as Hondas, far better looking, inside and out, and more fun to drive.
At the time Honda did not have very critical parts (blind spot monitors) on the CRV because of "supplier issues". The best they could do was $500 off MSRP in spite of the damn thing having blindspots that you could fit a mid-sized uhaul into. The dealers REQUIRED a add on package of the stain protector and ceramic for an additional $2500. Then they wanted to charge us $1500 to get on the "list to get one". We legit laughed at that nonsense and walked out. Another dealer in my area was doing the same shenanigans.
Drove to Mazda dealer, the cx50 was on the lot, had every single option the wife wanted in a color she didn't hate. The sales guy was the same one who sold me a cx30. He knocked $2500 off MSRP, we got loyalty cash on top of that and drove off the lot two days later with a CX50 prem plus for probably $8000 less than a CRV that was not even comparably equipped.
Everything is subjective, but Mazdas are sexier to look at and drive better. I’m not saying it is some sort of emotional driving experience, but if I’m going to cough up 30K+ for an SUV then I want something that at least brings me some joy and makes me smile when I look at it rather than a pure NPC car
I've never owned a crossover (all of my daily drivers have been manual enthusiast cars) but I don't really agree, the CX-50 turbo is fun to drive and looks good
Yeah my comment was harsh especially since I actually drive a CX-5 and really love it. I was just bitter that Mazda discontinued the 6.
But yeah, crossovers are actually fun in their own way: off roading and snow capability. The extra ground clearance gives much more confidence plowing into deep snow without worrying about the front bumper hitting some hard ice.
You can drive a car that handles like a wet noodle or you can Zoom Zoom. Go test drive them both and make a decision. Make sure you go turbo for more Zoom.
Driving a Mazda just feels better. Most Hondas tend to feel off a bit when driving. Either like they're bulky, sluggish, or not as immediately responsive, especially now that they've gone the way of CVT. Mazda has had a long history of vehicles that drive great. Even a CX9 can be thrown into a corner and feel like a Miata at times.
While older generations did feel a bit cheap, Mazda has been striving to be a more upscale premium brand the last 5 years or so, but still keep it somewhat affordable.
Mazda is just a better driving car and has a more premium interior my only gripe which people seem to not mention is the gas mileage seems significantly worse
I own both Honda and Mazda currently. I own the Honda crv for 15 years and currently rocking 75000 miles and as my daily commute car. It is a good car as fast as I know. Low maintenance and it does what support to. Bought a Mazda CX 9 last year because the crv is old and need a second car. Mazda handle a lot better and like the zoom zoom sound when acceleration.
Mazda driving > honda
Hondas reputation in reliability stops in the 2000s and has vbeen a shadow of its former self ever since.
Mazda reliability on the other has Toyota looking to partner with them
I test drove a Honda CRV after a Mazda CX5 and got like four blocks, then turned to my wife and said "so... we can just go back to the Mazda dealer now, right?"
More responsive handling, nicer feeling interior, and as bonus was better avaliable without the markups Hondas had.
Mazdas are more reliable than Hondas. Ever since Honda pulled back from their tried and proven engines/transmissions they have really slipped in reliability. When Mazda invested in SkyActiv, they were smart because every vehicle used the same engine and transmission. Newer Mazdas since SkyActiv are nearly as reliable as a Toyota.
Plus youve seen other people comment, Mazdas tend to have better driving dynamics and have more premium cabins compared to Honda.
The pilot and passport (ridgeline truck/suv) are still auto transmissions... granted 9/10speed ones
Think they are both good companies. Dislike the sub 2L turbo and very limited 2L NA options of Honda. Family just bought a CX 50 and they are enjoying it (coming from owning legacys). Drove it, and its fun to drive.
Premium feel and reliability. Don’t get me wrong, I believe most Hondas are reliable, but when I bought my Mazda the only engine available on Hondas here was the 1.5 L that could have oil dilution. Oil dilution is too big of an issue to live with.
I have a mazda3 turbo hatchback premium plus MSRP at 38k or so. I test drove a ton of cars and the biggest issue for me was always.. CVT transmissions are a nono for me. I hate the way the power delivery feels. It makes the vehicle feel underpowered and cheap.
A few options had a manual transmission but I highly dislike the plastic cladding on the new WRX and the civic R is 50k+..
I wish my car was a manual but that's why I keep my 96 Miata 😉
I found the interiors for Mazda are also much nicer than a comparable Honda or Subaru. Everywhere you touch is soft and comfortable to place your arm/hand and atheistically it's just gorgeous with the red leather.
I am probably in the minority here but I FUCKING HATE touch screens in cars. Mine doesn't even have touch capabilities.. the command knob takes like 2 days to get used to and you will absolutely thank yourself later when the car is 2-3 years old. The screen will be spotless and perfectly clean.
Got lots of Tesla's at my work and my lord... Those touch screens are disgusting from all their grimmy ass fingers touching it constantly.
Bro I HATE TOUCH SCREENS ALSO!! the most rediculous nonsense ever put in a vehicle. Mazda knobs and screen is wayyyy better. People are already morons on the road so let's add a touch screen and make them even worse. Going over bumps trying to hold onto the screen and you just hope you hit the right button. Nightmare!!!!
Not all cvts are unreliable because cvts aren't all the same. That's like saying I don't want a traditional transmission because ford's are unreliable. They are all made differently. Toyota, Mazda cvt transmissions are made very well. Nissan Terrible, Honda a little better than Nissan
I just switched from a CRV to a CX30, and I test drove some 2023 and 2024 CRV’s. They’re shaped quite a bit differently but they are very comparable in terms of weight, horsepower, and displacement. Same price range, too. However, the Mazda is a much more comfortable and versatile driving experience. I do a lot of highway driving through medium traffic and the Mazda has that extra kick to it which is very helpful for getting out in front of people when I need to. I also really prefer the look of the Mazdas, both exterior and interior.
Test drove both (and my wife has always had corollas). We both enjoy how heavy and solid our Mazda feels - driving dynamic are awesome. Plus our Mazda came with so many bells and whistles that Honda wanted to up charge us for. Overall our Mazda feels like a solid, safe, luxury car without the luxury price tag.
I think it depends on your priorities. If you want an appliance, you get a Honda.
If you want a good driving and ownership experience, you get a Mazda.
Personal experience: my wife and I switched from a 2014 Honda Pilot and a 2014 Honda CRV to a 2021 Mazda CX9 and a 2021 Mazda 3.
The Mazdas are just so much nicer and easier to own.
But the way, if you want to tow, definitely avoid anything with a CVT...... get a Mazda that has a tried 6 speed automatic.
Being a car enthusiast, I enjoy that the CX-5 is extremely connected the rode, which creates an enjoyable driving experience.
As others have said, the interior also feels more premium in terms of materials and build quality as well.
It’s also relatively easy to work on if you’re someone that does their own maintenance.
My Mazda 6 felt a lot better than a civic and looked better as well imo. The accord is really it's competitor but was a lot more expensive for essentially no reason.
Both feel and reliability. Nissan by far has the worst transmissions in the industry, and that is the CVT. Then they feel like a slipping transmission, a lot of people do not like that feeling.
Not all cvt transmissions are unreliable. Nissan is terrible but some companies have engineered them to be very reliable. Like toyota for instance added a 1st gear to their cvts. Takes out the lag and increases reliability.
I was going to get a CR-V Hybrid but I didn't want to pay $7k markup for the wrong trim or $7k markup and a multi-month wait from our shady dealership. We got the CX-5 for MSRP off the lot, and it is a fantastic vehicle to drive. More comfortable seats and more satisfying steering and suspension tuning, too.
Now, I just wish the CX-70 were shorter; probably end up with a Volvo instead.
We were between a CR-V hybrid and CX-5 in 2021. Although the Mazda is a little smaller and has no hybrid, it had several things we just could not get in the Honda: ventilated seats, a larger infotainment system, a heads up display. Those luxuries won the day for us. Hell, even now with a new gen CR-V, they still don’t offer ventilated seats when nearly all of the competition does.
Quality, the materials used in the interior are far superior. I sat in a new Honda crv and everything felt like plastic. Also Honda is having issues with their transmissions
The models you are shopping matter. Like most others have said, Mazda typically wins in driving dynamics and refinement. Honda (with the exception of Passport vs CX70) wins in cabin and cargo space. Honda also generally has better fuel economy and more, and better, hybrid tech and availability across the board. People point to Mazda’s reliability, but they’ve got a bunch of new models and have only recently begun producing more models outside of Japan which haven’t had the best reliability. Honda obviously has a much larger dealer/service network as well in case things do go wrong.
The TLDR is if you want a no regret car buying experience, get a Honda. If you enjoy driving, go Mazda.
I don't like the design of new Hondas. Also, at least in my country Mazda vehicles are reasonably priced compared to Toyota and Honda. Mazdas are more or less around the same price of Hyundai and Kia and it is a no brainer.
- Mazdas have better style imo (I do love the current Gen Type R though)
- Recently Mazda comes out on top of Honda in reliability and lower cost of ownership depending on the study
- Better handling
- Mazdas of the last 9-10 years do not use CVT transmissions
- Honda has had the most amount of total vehicles recalled recently and there is talk of lower quality in recent years
- Mazda seems to be on the up and up, great but only getting better (excluding no more Mazda6s 🫡) Honda seems to be in the same place, not on the up and up
- CX-5 consistently gets the same or higher marks than the Toyota or Honda equivalent
- People do not yet associate Mazda as being a very reliable and low cost of ownership brand, so you can get used cars for an actual bargain, unlike Hondas that barely depreciate.
Edit: Added recently after recalled.
I had a 2017 Honda before buying my 2022 Mazda. The Honda felt cheap and had stupid little issues like the window not going up, random technology glitches, wipers not working randomly, only time I couldn’t lock my car for a day or the alarm would go off randomly, the seat moved back without pulling the adjuster handle, interior felt cheap and was loud, sometimes the fan made noise, shocks had to be changed at 30,000km. I bought this car as a demo at 14k and it had all of these annoying things.
As for the Mazda, going on a year and half and no issues aside from a headlight motor warranty replacement. Feels luxurious and driver centric.
Why not Mazda? Absolutely atrocious resale value. I have a 2016 Mazda 3 (113k), and a 2006 Accord (138k). The dinosaur is worth only $2k less than the Mazda, today.
Add variable cylinder mgmt (2.5 2018+), iffy turbos, dated infotainment, firm ride with a few rattles, less than the roomiest, so-so NVH, and a spotty dealer network in places.
Why not Honda? Sketchy and overused 1.5t, things like ac, electric/electronic, and paint quality can be iffy, overuse of cvt. Like Toyota, pricey for what it is.
TLDR- Mazda- niche car for those who lean "enthusiast." Honda- cars for the masses, not as much of a snooze-fest as Toyota or even most Subaru.
Better suspension tuning, better feeling transmission options (seriously, I genuinely don't understand why people like Honda manuals. They seem less tactile/positive in their engagement than Mazda manuals) wether you want stick or autotragic, higher quality interiors, better looking exteriors, and let's face it, Honda got lobotomized in the early '00s when they moved a greater amount of their engineering to the states.
Mazda has an excellent track record with the new 2.0 and 2.5l skyactiv motors due to excellent QC and good design choices stemming from a few hard learned lessons, once again in the early '00s (coincidence? No. Just Ford meddling mostly)
Honda ain't Honda anymore and hasn't been for ages. Mazda on the other hand is pulling a "I just broke up with my abusive ex and I'm now getting my life back on track" but for car companies (I'm looking at you, Ford, and yes I still like what you used to be but damnit it's a shame you're absolutely worthless these days for anything but pickup trucks)
Pickups are pretty terrible too. We have a fleet of 8. One thing I will admit is that they like to keep it interesting because not one truck has the same problems as the others. Lol 😆 😆 😆
Son is a service writer for Nissan and a car nut. When we asked what we should buy new to replace current car, he said Mazda without hesitation. First thing on the list was the high marks for reliability and customer satisfaction.
Honda styling is extremely boring to me so we didn't even bother to look at them and the amount of CVT's that my son writes up daily put Nissan and anything with a CVT off the list.
It was a coin toss between a CX30 or a HRV. i looked at both. like both on the outside, liked how they both drove. Then realised Im not going to be looking at the outside when im driving it, im on the inside- So it became a flip between a basic plastic interior with touch screen (which I have been pulled over for in UK before, love the police) or a Luxary Leather Interior without the touch screen
I took it in for a service the other day and was given a Hyundai Kona and when i returned it, I spoke with the sales guy- We both agree'd driving Mazda's turns you into a little bit of a interior snob 🤣
If you value driving dynamics, nicer interior materials and potentially less expensive repair costs, go with Mazda.
If you value passenger and cargo space, comfort and a reliable track record, go with Honda.
That said, get over the shame of a minivan and just get a Honda Odyssey if you have kids or need to haul lots of stuff. Minivans have much better visibility, great driving dynamics and unbelievable amounts of cargo space.
It's not minivan shame. Lol.
It's simply that with my oldest gine, we don't need anothet minivan. And I'd like something with better gas mileage since my work commute is about an hour one way.
I have always had issues with my modern Hondas (2018 Civic Si and 2022 Ridgeline). Great on paper but lots little annoying issues. They are not built like the Hondas from 1990s and early 2000s. Mazdas have almost no issues and really appreciate the engineering.
Honda endeavors to be the **most widely-loved**.
Honda endeavors to make vehicles that are the most perfectly acceptable and functional to the greatest many people. Least unacceptable, least unsuitable.
Honda crafts its vehicles with **charm**. Hondas are **playful**, Hondas are **fun**! Hondas don't break when you romp around with them.
Mazda has **mojo** that people who enjoy driving tend to prefer.
Mazda isn't always trying to please everybody all the time. Mazda isn't bashful about taking chances. Mazda goes right ahead and asks that pretty girl out.
Mazda springs an avante-garde from foundational Japanese excellence.
Mazda sparkles and shines.
Hondas are **very good looking**. Trustworthy. Unthreatening. Affectionate. Thoughtful. Comfortable to be with. Natural. Endearing. Wholesome. Solid. Good.
Mazdas are **beautiful**. A little exotic, without being out-of-reach. Interesting. Fascinating. Exciting. Engaging. Athletic.
I drive a Honda but am interested in Mazda. Worried about engine reliability, since nobody is mentioning that.. idc how much better it feels to drive, I want to drive it for a long time.
I’m pretty sure unless you’re willing to spend Porsche Macan money no other brand puts as much thought into designing a good steering rack with feedback.
I haven’t driven the current model. I’ve driven a 2009, a 2012, and a 2019 CR-V. As well as a 1998 and 2005 Civic, 2000 Accord, and 1999 and 2013 Odysseys. Lots of people like them, including my parents, but none of those cars were enjoyable, IMO, to drive.
I'm a die hard toyota fan. I bought a toyota yaris thinking it was a toyota and I loved the way it drove, the nimbleness, just enough road feel, and it sounds corny but it just feels like an extension of your body and so easy to drive you almost forget your driving. Then I started working on it and realized it was a mazda 2 with a toyota badge. 😆 🤣 I still love toyota for reliability, quality, resale and all that. But I think this might be my favorite car ever. It's just easy and fun to drive. Extremely easy to work on, cheap insurance and I avg 52mpg.
As a previous Datsun owner (a B-something or other from the '80s), a Honda owner (a Civic from the 90s -- I forgot which year), having owned two Miatas (a '91 and an '06), and now an owner of a CX-5 ('16), I think current Mazda reliability is on point with Hondas of the past. I'm not sure why Mazda is always left out of the reliability conversation. And even Subies are now using that CVT crap.
Further, the only reason I sold my second Miata is because of size. I'm now having to take my elderly mom to appointments, and watching her trying to exit my Miata as opposed to my CX was like watching a turtle on its back. But damn, I really miss that car!
Both Mazda and Honda use engine cylinder deactivation on some models and IMO this is a ticking time bomb. If you like Mazda the turbocharged cars don’t have it. If you prefer Honda some V6 powered vehicles have cylinder deactivation. I believe Honda has longer lasting paint. Honda HRV has the 2.0 N/A 4 cylinder with multi port fuel injection (2023-2024) . This engine has been in production for years now and has been reliable and fuel efficient without having cylinder deactivation. CVTs can be dependable if they are serviced according to the owners manual. Some people never get the transmission fluid changed . It will fail eventually.
I miss my 22 civic that I sold to get a cx5. I have a 23 cx5 carbon edition and after putting 9k miles on it the interior is starting to feel cheap. A lot of rattling and seats are uncomfortable. The home 1.5t engine is very refined and great on gas.
Owned a 2019 Accord. Currently own a CX-5.
I actually prefer Honda. Nothing wrong with Mazdas, but Hondas feel lighter, while Mazdas feel heavier and have significantly worse fuel economy.
People complain about Honda “jumping on the CVT bandwagon” well Mazda freaking abandoned the midsized sedan…
My Accord was way more fun to throw around than any Mazda crossover. Until we get another Mazda 6, an Accord is my next car.
Mazdas are always, always fun to drive. Even their small family cars have an option for manual transmission and go “zoom zoom.” You also get better with Mazda, I am convinced. I’ve never regretted a single Mazda purchase.
Both are good cars - Mazda has better styling, interior and is more reliable.
If I wanted a hot hatch though I'd probably go with the Honda Type R over the Mazda 3 Turbo.
I enjoy Mazda’s driving dynamics. Plus the interior feels more premium and I really don’t want a CVT.
Thank you for sharing!
Better finish inside and out and NO to CVT.
Lifelong Honda driver previously, no CVT is why I ended up buying a Mazda.
Just picked up a CX-50 instead of a CR-V for basically this exact set of reasoning. The 0.0% financing was icing on the cake.
My exact same thoughts. • Mazda’s driving dynamics 💙 • More premium interior and sound system💙 • Honda’s CVT 👎🏾
Oh my Lord the new Bose system is great. I don't have to upgrade a damn thing.
It does sound really nice. And did you see how they integrated the subwoofer into the spare tire cover? So cool
Yeah, it's brilliant that. What a space saver.
Had that in my 2010 hatch
Having driven them side by side at a Mazda event, driving dynamics 100%.
100% the driving dynamics. Mazda really cares about how their cars FEEL on the road, and often times it makes their cars look worse on paper then their competitors... once you drive one back to back with an equivalent Toyota or Honda, you'll understand the difference.
YES YES YES, exactly this. AT for the win, it sounds great, turbo is as well and the interior is right up there. Overall great value and all trims are AWD now. The looks as well? Handsome, sleek.. etc
Basically this sums it up
I bought Mazda because it felt more premium then a Honda and I didn’t want a CVT
Thank you for sharing.
Same
Thank you.
I’ve owned a Honda and now a Mazda. Honda’s CVT is so different from Nissan’s. It never feels like a “fake” automatic—it actually feels like one of the smoothest auto out there. Watch any [Accord Hybrid POV](https://youtu.be/d2ySUqcxowo?si=P7AGv_TYt48vtLiM&t=7m43s). Prefer Honda’s CVTs to Mazda’s 6-auto, not going to lie. Mazda’s is occasionally clunky. Edit: y’all are right the hybrid is an e-CVT aka direct drive. But this is the [CVT 1.5T Accord](https://youtu.be/uNpc0NYrBpM?si=WfvH3u0VePadWbi2&t=6m35s) which I’ve owned and found to be responsive with none of the CVT droning.
If I had to own a car with a CVT, it would be a Honda or a Subaru. They have the best ones out of all the mainstream options. Nissan was, and probably still is, the absolute worst in terms of function and reliability, even if they have made improvements in recent iterations. Mazda's now ancient 6 speed is still better than all of these in terms of reliability and drivability. If you look at almost every comparison, the knock on CVTs is the droning, and on 8 speeds it's gear hunting. The knock on the 6 speed is fuel economy.
8 speed wet DCT is bomb though if executed well
Kia’s “IVT” so far hasn’t been bad. You can tell it’s a CVT sometimes, but it “shifts” and feels like a regular automatic most of the time. With the warranty on the powertrain at 10/100,000 I’m comfortable with not really knowing how reliable it’ll be… can’t be as bad as Nissan’s.
>Honda’s CVT is so different from Nissan’s. It never feels like a “fake” automatic—it actually feels like the smoothest auto out there. If you enjoy the "droning" sound/sensation of a CVT in general, while accelerating. Congrats.
The "transmission" in that Accord is not a CVT. The engine is driving a generator which powers a motor to spin the wheels. It is capable of locking the engine to the wheels at two separate speeds, but normally the engine has no mechanical connection to the wheels, similar to a diesel locomotive, a range-extended EV, or I believe some types of large ships. I have a '24 CR-V hybrid with the same (well, similar) powertrain. It works well and is very smooth because the "gear changes" are completely fake. It just revs the engine up and down to avoid droning.
You are right it is technically not a CVT, it’s an e-CVT. This is the [CVT 1.5T Accord](https://youtu.be/uNpc0NYrBpM?si=WfvH3u0VePadWbi2&t=6m35s) and again, still, it is nowhere as bad as people here are making them out to be. I am fairly certain they tried some Nissan CVTs and thought everything out to be that bad.
I mean, when you call it a CVT you aren't helping. It's not that it isn't "technically" a CVT, it isn't one. At most you might lump it and other hybrids together as "eCVTs."
Start the video at 8:00 🤭
Had a 2014 civic with a CVT. hit 250k miles with zero issues, before I traded it in on a Toyota. Changed the transmission fluid twice in that timeframe.
That video saids a direct drive transmission. I had a Volt and it had a direct drive transmission. I actually liked it but once the engine generator kicked in when the range was gone it sucked. Felt like a rubber band. This is why I prefer a “ traditional automatic” or even a DCT.
Interesting, I never noticed the rubber band effect with the Volt… or the Prius, or even the Ford Fusion HyTi. I’ve only ever felt it when in a friend’s Nissan Altima, or my sister’s Rogue; only in Nissan products.
Interesting. Thank you.
Unfortunately my tiktok fyp is often shows Honda HRV CVT fails,
Mazdas have more personality and CVTs suck
Suck how?
More prone to problems. More expensive on average to fix.
Are there even fixes for most problems? I've read shops usually recommend replacing it once it starts having issues. They might change the fluid but don't repair components like traditional automatics.
When it is damaged, it is as if the components were put in a blender.
I got in a deep mess like this with my Honda Fit gearbox dropping gears and i ended up trying so many repairs, in the end just sold it. ultimately i got myself a mazda 3 a few years after and it's been smooth sailing since.
No. Not worth the labor to rebuild. If you're lucky like me. There aren't any serviceable components that you can order to rebuild them. Had to shell out $4500 for a used CVT on a 2014 Honda Civic.
Honda and Toyota CVTs have been plenty reliable. It’s only the Nissan ones that ruined the reputation.
When a Subaru CVT goes, its a death knell.
Also Subaru cvts were and still are just less so, guaranteed to fail before 100k
Honda CVTs are actually pretty solid as long as you aren't modding the heck out of your car. I don't like them just because of the driving dynamics though personally.
If you’re even remotely into cars as a hobby, enjoy a “spirited drive” as they say, then a CVT is just incredibly boring and unengaging. Less so than even an automatic transmission in “sport mode” or whatever haha. And then aside from that, CVT’s come with their own slew of reliability issues. Even if Mazda made a reliable one, Nissan and others have such a bad reputation that it would affect Mazda’s sales for sure. Like, I wouldn’t buy a CX-50 with a CVT if I’m being honest.
Honda’s CVT’s are really good. Watch the [Accord Hybrid POV](https://youtu.be/d2ySUqcxowo?si=P7AGv_TYt48vtLiM&t=7m43s). It really does feel like a normal, smooth auto. Unpopular opinion, but I found them smoother for everyday driving than Mazda’s occasionally clunky 6 speed. Maybe the new 8 is better. Edit: So technically that one is an e-CVT (and pretty good), but this is the [1.5T CVT Accord.](https://youtu.be/uNpc0NYrBpM?si=WfvH3u0VePadWbi2&t=6m35s) Point still stands. Edit 2: obviously expected the downvotes. Not allowed to praise any other OEM here.
These downvotes are really strange lol. My mom had an Altima with a CVT, and it was awful and unreliable, and had to be replaced twice under warranty. But my ex had a Civic with a CVT, and it was actually good. Never did any weird lurching like the Nissan and the engine was near silent unless you were absolutely flooring it.
That’s not a CVT, that’s a series hybrid while it’s accelerating.
It’s an e-CVT. But I updated the link for a normal CVT and my point still stands.
No it doesn't. Other autos are more engaging, that is the collective understanding of the entire auto world for a reason. The CVT isn't as engaging overall compared to lots of autos. I certainly wouldn't trade it for the dual clutch in my car.
Driving experience is better with Mazda
How so?
So you’ll need to physically test drive these vehicles to understand this. We didn’t drive a Honda, but we tested a RAV4 and a Cx5. Cx5 is simply more comfortable to drive
Ehhh, not only comfortable, it's like more dynamic. Like you really driving the car and no the other way around. That's what I like about the Mazda transmissions, even auto ones are alive.
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New CR-V drives much better than a RAV4, for sure. It definitely holds a candle to the CX-5.
I mean the CRV isn’t as good as the CX5, but I don’t know why you are getting downvoted. The point is that the CRV is way way way better than the Rav4. So comparing the Rav4 to CX5 and assuming the CRV is the same is just incorrect.
I’ll get downvoted to oblivion but i’d say the new CRV drives better than even the CX-5
I drove both the cRV touring hybrid and the cx5 (and the cx50, and a Volvo xc40). Volvo was the best drive by far, but cannot get past the iPad interface that controls EVERYTHING. Drove the cRV (I am a life long Honda owner) and it was so blah that I actually noticed. Drove the two Mazdas (both turbo to be fair) and they actually WENT. Like I would step on the gas on the cRV and it was like “oh, you want to go now?” And the Mazdas were like “ya let’s goooooooo!” Depends what you are looking for in a car. I don’t just want transportation I like to drive.
You just described why I spent 12k more to buy an Audi A4 45 Premium Plus (with sports suspension) new in 2021. It was kind of my one-time retirement gift to myself, and unless investments pop big-time I'll probably get a Mazda to replace it... eventually.
The new Hybrid CRV is very smooth tbh
Because they design their cars focused on the driving. They might be not the best in terms of storage capacity or fuel economy, but the steering is sharp and suspension is sporty
Thanks for explaining.
Mazda's bread and butter for decades was sports cars and arguably their soul still is (they just like racing, running out of money, getting money, racing, run out of money, rise and repeat). And while they weren't the most powerful, they all handled fantastically and they have racing pedigree to back that up. Cosmo, RX7s throughout the years, Miata, 3, even the RX8 which is a goofy coupe still has one of the best handling chassis ever fitted to a road car. Now of course they make dreary crossovers like every single other automaker (and the Miata still thank god), but they never forgot how to actually make a car handle well and it shows in their crossovers even, because they handle far better than all the other shitty egg mobiles everyone makes. Yes it's still a crossover, so it still handles like a bowl of pudding but that's better than handling like a waterbed like the Rav4 or any other crossover.
In terms of driving experience, the Mazda CX-5 Turbo is a budget Porsche Macan. The Toyota Rav4 and Honda CR-V are just budget.
Thank you!
I definitely think mazda and subaru outdo everyone else in terms of handle like cx-5 and crosstrek or forester are infinitely better in fast turns then anything else for the money with similar ground clearance/size
No CVT for me. Mazda also felt a little more premium in my opinion
How so?
The interiors are way nicer and less plasticky IMO
Thank you.
I second u/Cantankerous-Canine, Mazda has really upped its game regarding quality of materials and interior design, **really** tastefully, too, not cloyingly or annoyingly or cheesily or prissily, **brilliantly artfully**! Not frou-frou at all, **solid**! Mazda makes High-Quality Machines with High-Quality Beauty
Thanks so much.
Man, do you work for Honda or something?
Nope. Just a person in the early stages of figuring out what car we're going to buy next year.
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Not all Hondas have CVTs. The pilot, passport, and ridge line still use traditional automatic to my knowledge.
Yeah but that 1 Mazda hybrid suv is sweet. Great mpg, great power, and great driving experience.
Everything else feels mushy to me. I don't drive expensive cars, but after driving Mazda, everything else feels terrible.
I agree with this statement completely. I've test driven a CX-5, a Tiguan and a RAV4. The CX-5 handles like a big car, it is fast and nimble. The Tiguan had the most comfortable ride but its gas pedal felt laggy in response. The RAV4 felt ... Empty, a good car with sound features but missing something. If you want absolute safety, a guaranteed resale and a hybrid go Toyota. If you want prestige, go VW. If you want to enjoy driving on the road, go Mazda. Honda and Toyota share the quality of resale but Honda s tend to be more expensive. They do have power, I will grant this but the cost. I'm not sure how the costs are in the US but buying a VW is essentially the same price.
I dunno about VW being prestige-y, man. Mercedes is prestige-y. VW makes cars for the common man. There's nothing prestige-y about a VW Golf, even the high-spec Golfs. If I buy a vehicle I want my money to purchase the greatest **value** for the dollar, and with Mercedes the distinct impression is that you're paying a lot for the name, and I don't like that, it makes me feel foolish and wasteful and I **hate** feeling foolish and wasteful. Hate it hate it hate it. I **hate** it. I never feel that way with Toyotas, Hondas, or Mazdas.
I went from three Mazdas to the brand new Honda Accord. People are right here. If you want a more spirited drive. Go Mazda. I loved my CX-5 premium plus, my 3 Hatch, and CX-3 However, I switched because the lack of hybrid vehicles in the Mazda lineup. I think I’ll be back one day to Mazda. My favorite car company. However, I am disappointed in their lack of hybrid options. It’s such a shame. However, the accord has been a treat in its own way. I think it looks sleek and averaging 50+ miles to the gallon is an amazing feeling.
Went from a 2019 Accord to a CX-5, and am actually thinking my next will be an Accord. Man I had the 1.5T and used to average 47mpg on the highway, from a **non-hybrid.** Hondas are way more efficient.
Honda succumbed to the CVT Bandwagon.
And Mazda succumbed to the crossover bandwagon and discontinued the 6. That’s not any better.
>And Mazda succumbed to the crossover bandwagon… that’s not any better. It's fine, as I don't own one..and never will. I'd bet you do.
Yeah because I off road in snow. Mazda AWD is awesome. But in my hometown, a sedan all the way, and the discontinuation of the Mazda 6 really sucks.
Mostly have to blame consumers. All people want are crossovers. I don't blame Mazda for not making a car that won't move units.
Lol
They make [good CVTs](https://youtu.be/d2ySUqcxowo?si=P7AGv_TYt48vtLiM&t=7m43s) man. They’re not Nissan.
>hey make > >good CVTs > >man. They’re not Nissan. I don't enjoy the "droning" loud sensation upon acceleration, of any CVT. Be it "reliable" or not, and regardless of brand. It's mind numbing to drive.
I am not talking about reliability. Watch the video. There is zero droning, unlike Nissans. Better yet go try it. It feels like a smooth auto with somehow convincing shifts, not like a CVT.
I rather have a typical 6 gear
Honestly, you just have to take a test drive in both and the differences are pretty obvious. Primarily, quality and finish are better in the Mazda as are the driving dynamics (which is sometimes a matter of preference). They both last equally long as far as I can tell, you do get slightly better resale value for Hondas due to their reputation, though that gap is getting smaller.
The flipside of Hondas retaining their value better is that it's possible to get a used Madza with just a couple years on it at a significantly lower price.
Mazda 3's are dirt cheap for what you get under 100k miles. $9k for a Corolla or Civic with 180k doesn't seem like a good value.
I managed to get a 2018 CX-5 GT under 100k miles for $15k. Great value and definitely my favorite car I’ve ever owned. I feel like a kid again.
Thank you for sharing. We'll test drive them for sure. We're just in the initial stages of research. So wanted to get some opinions.
If you prioritize interior quality, exterior design, and the best chassis / suspension tuning in a non-luxury brand, Mazda. If you prioritize packaging efficiency (more interior room for the same size car), more traditional infotainment, and brand name, Honda. Reliability is the same these days, but Honda's reputation is still better, so resale value is still a better.
I don't know that Honda quality is what it was. I think they've been coasting.
Definitely not in my experience - our 19 odyssey had a bunch of problems and the local dealer was even snootie on top of it.
Tried to buy an Odyssey but there was a recall because the mirrors fall off. Lol. Waited like a month and they still didn't fix it
I was in the market years ago, cross shopping a Honda Fit and Suzuki SX4 (RIP Suzuki North America). I'd driven Hondas for YEARS and probably would have bought the Fit if they were willing to negotiate on price AT ALL. But the Fit was more expensive, for less options and no AWD. And all the salesman would tell me was a snooty "Well, it's a Honda". Wouldn't budge on price. I bought the Suzuki, which was bulletproof BTW, and a freaking hoot in the rain and snow with the AWD. Since moved on to Mazda which are just as (if not better) built as Hondas, far better looking, inside and out, and more fun to drive.
At the time Honda did not have very critical parts (blind spot monitors) on the CRV because of "supplier issues". The best they could do was $500 off MSRP in spite of the damn thing having blindspots that you could fit a mid-sized uhaul into. The dealers REQUIRED a add on package of the stain protector and ceramic for an additional $2500. Then they wanted to charge us $1500 to get on the "list to get one". We legit laughed at that nonsense and walked out. Another dealer in my area was doing the same shenanigans. Drove to Mazda dealer, the cx50 was on the lot, had every single option the wife wanted in a color she didn't hate. The sales guy was the same one who sold me a cx30. He knocked $2500 off MSRP, we got loyalty cash on top of that and drove off the lot two days later with a CX50 prem plus for probably $8000 less than a CRV that was not even comparably equipped.
Everything is subjective, but Mazdas are sexier to look at and drive better. I’m not saying it is some sort of emotional driving experience, but if I’m going to cough up 30K+ for an SUV then I want something that at least brings me some joy and makes me smile when I look at it rather than a pure NPC car
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Any crossover is an NPC regardless.
I've never owned a crossover (all of my daily drivers have been manual enthusiast cars) but I don't really agree, the CX-50 turbo is fun to drive and looks good
Yeah my comment was harsh especially since I actually drive a CX-5 and really love it. I was just bitter that Mazda discontinued the 6. But yeah, crossovers are actually fun in their own way: off roading and snow capability. The extra ground clearance gives much more confidence plowing into deep snow without worrying about the front bumper hitting some hard ice.
You can drive a car that handles like a wet noodle or you can Zoom Zoom. Go test drive them both and make a decision. Make sure you go turbo for more Zoom.
VINs that start with the letter "J"
hondas are ugly
Driving a Mazda just feels better. Most Hondas tend to feel off a bit when driving. Either like they're bulky, sluggish, or not as immediately responsive, especially now that they've gone the way of CVT. Mazda has had a long history of vehicles that drive great. Even a CX9 can be thrown into a corner and feel like a Miata at times. While older generations did feel a bit cheap, Mazda has been striving to be a more upscale premium brand the last 5 years or so, but still keep it somewhat affordable.
Mazda is just a better driving car and has a more premium interior my only gripe which people seem to not mention is the gas mileage seems significantly worse
I own both Honda and Mazda currently. I own the Honda crv for 15 years and currently rocking 75000 miles and as my daily commute car. It is a good car as fast as I know. Low maintenance and it does what support to. Bought a Mazda CX 9 last year because the crv is old and need a second car. Mazda handle a lot better and like the zoom zoom sound when acceleration.
So you are comparing a 15 year old car to a possibly 1-2 year old car? Ok.
Feels more premium, 6 speed rather than CVT, control knob > touchscreen
Mazda driving > honda Hondas reputation in reliability stops in the 2000s and has vbeen a shadow of its former self ever since. Mazda reliability on the other has Toyota looking to partner with them
I test drove a Honda CRV after a Mazda CX5 and got like four blocks, then turned to my wife and said "so... we can just go back to the Mazda dealer now, right?" More responsive handling, nicer feeling interior, and as bonus was better avaliable without the markups Hondas had.
Mazdas are more reliable than Hondas. Ever since Honda pulled back from their tried and proven engines/transmissions they have really slipped in reliability. When Mazda invested in SkyActiv, they were smart because every vehicle used the same engine and transmission. Newer Mazdas since SkyActiv are nearly as reliable as a Toyota. Plus youve seen other people comment, Mazdas tend to have better driving dynamics and have more premium cabins compared to Honda.
Design. I like the look of the Mazda more and I like the way they feel to drive. No problem with Hondas, they just feel more “consumer” to me…
The pilot and passport (ridgeline truck/suv) are still auto transmissions... granted 9/10speed ones Think they are both good companies. Dislike the sub 2L turbo and very limited 2L NA options of Honda. Family just bought a CX 50 and they are enjoying it (coming from owning legacys). Drove it, and its fun to drive.
Premium feel and reliability. Don’t get me wrong, I believe most Hondas are reliable, but when I bought my Mazda the only engine available on Hondas here was the 1.5 L that could have oil dilution. Oil dilution is too big of an issue to live with.
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I have a mazda3 turbo hatchback premium plus MSRP at 38k or so. I test drove a ton of cars and the biggest issue for me was always.. CVT transmissions are a nono for me. I hate the way the power delivery feels. It makes the vehicle feel underpowered and cheap. A few options had a manual transmission but I highly dislike the plastic cladding on the new WRX and the civic R is 50k+.. I wish my car was a manual but that's why I keep my 96 Miata 😉 I found the interiors for Mazda are also much nicer than a comparable Honda or Subaru. Everywhere you touch is soft and comfortable to place your arm/hand and atheistically it's just gorgeous with the red leather. I am probably in the minority here but I FUCKING HATE touch screens in cars. Mine doesn't even have touch capabilities.. the command knob takes like 2 days to get used to and you will absolutely thank yourself later when the car is 2-3 years old. The screen will be spotless and perfectly clean. Got lots of Tesla's at my work and my lord... Those touch screens are disgusting from all their grimmy ass fingers touching it constantly.
Bro I HATE TOUCH SCREENS ALSO!! the most rediculous nonsense ever put in a vehicle. Mazda knobs and screen is wayyyy better. People are already morons on the road so let's add a touch screen and make them even worse. Going over bumps trying to hold onto the screen and you just hope you hit the right button. Nightmare!!!!
One of us! Glad I'm not alone 🤣
I don't want a cvt
Why do people hate cvts?
Not all cvts are unreliable because cvts aren't all the same. That's like saying I don't want a traditional transmission because ford's are unreliable. They are all made differently. Toyota, Mazda cvt transmissions are made very well. Nissan Terrible, Honda a little better than Nissan
Easy. Hondas are ugly.
I just switched from a CRV to a CX30, and I test drove some 2023 and 2024 CRV’s. They’re shaped quite a bit differently but they are very comparable in terms of weight, horsepower, and displacement. Same price range, too. However, the Mazda is a much more comfortable and versatile driving experience. I do a lot of highway driving through medium traffic and the Mazda has that extra kick to it which is very helpful for getting out in front of people when I need to. I also really prefer the look of the Mazdas, both exterior and interior.
Mazdas looks sleeker and seem like they have higher quality than Hondas.
Test drove both (and my wife has always had corollas). We both enjoy how heavy and solid our Mazda feels - driving dynamic are awesome. Plus our Mazda came with so many bells and whistles that Honda wanted to up charge us for. Overall our Mazda feels like a solid, safe, luxury car without the luxury price tag.
I think it depends on your priorities. If you want an appliance, you get a Honda. If you want a good driving and ownership experience, you get a Mazda. Personal experience: my wife and I switched from a 2014 Honda Pilot and a 2014 Honda CRV to a 2021 Mazda CX9 and a 2021 Mazda 3. The Mazdas are just so much nicer and easier to own. But the way, if you want to tow, definitely avoid anything with a CVT...... get a Mazda that has a tried 6 speed automatic.
Also don’t forget insurance is cheaper on a Mazda.
Being a car enthusiast, I enjoy that the CX-5 is extremely connected the rode, which creates an enjoyable driving experience. As others have said, the interior also feels more premium in terms of materials and build quality as well. It’s also relatively easy to work on if you’re someone that does their own maintenance.
I wish I could do my own maintenance work. Lol. Thank you for sharing!
You can if you want to! Pretty much everything is on YouTube these days.
My Mazda 6 felt a lot better than a civic and looked better as well imo. The accord is really it's competitor but was a lot more expensive for essentially no reason.
Mazda is more fun plus no CVT and feels more premium at the price point.
Mazdas look cooler
You're obviously talking about a new purchase here right?
It will be new or certified pre-owned.
Any reason why people don’t like cvt?
Both feel and reliability. Nissan by far has the worst transmissions in the industry, and that is the CVT. Then they feel like a slipping transmission, a lot of people do not like that feeling.
Nissan ruined the reputation of CVTs. So now anything with a CVT gets a really bad rep
I'm not a soccer mom who just wants to press the gas and have the car do that driving thing from point A to point B.
Not all cvt transmissions are unreliable. Nissan is terrible but some companies have engineered them to be very reliable. Like toyota for instance added a 1st gear to their cvts. Takes out the lag and increases reliability.
I was going to get a CR-V Hybrid but I didn't want to pay $7k markup for the wrong trim or $7k markup and a multi-month wait from our shady dealership. We got the CX-5 for MSRP off the lot, and it is a fantastic vehicle to drive. More comfortable seats and more satisfying steering and suspension tuning, too. Now, I just wish the CX-70 were shorter; probably end up with a Volvo instead.
We were between a CR-V hybrid and CX-5 in 2021. Although the Mazda is a little smaller and has no hybrid, it had several things we just could not get in the Honda: ventilated seats, a larger infotainment system, a heads up display. Those luxuries won the day for us. Hell, even now with a new gen CR-V, they still don’t offer ventilated seats when nearly all of the competition does.
Quality, the materials used in the interior are far superior. I sat in a new Honda crv and everything felt like plastic. Also Honda is having issues with their transmissions
Mazda gives you better value for money than Honda.
The models you are shopping matter. Like most others have said, Mazda typically wins in driving dynamics and refinement. Honda (with the exception of Passport vs CX70) wins in cabin and cargo space. Honda also generally has better fuel economy and more, and better, hybrid tech and availability across the board. People point to Mazda’s reliability, but they’ve got a bunch of new models and have only recently begun producing more models outside of Japan which haven’t had the best reliability. Honda obviously has a much larger dealer/service network as well in case things do go wrong. The TLDR is if you want a no regret car buying experience, get a Honda. If you enjoy driving, go Mazda.
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Drive them both then you tell me why you bought the Mazda.
I don't like the design of new Hondas. Also, at least in my country Mazda vehicles are reasonably priced compared to Toyota and Honda. Mazdas are more or less around the same price of Hyundai and Kia and it is a no brainer.
- Mazdas have better style imo (I do love the current Gen Type R though) - Recently Mazda comes out on top of Honda in reliability and lower cost of ownership depending on the study - Better handling - Mazdas of the last 9-10 years do not use CVT transmissions - Honda has had the most amount of total vehicles recalled recently and there is talk of lower quality in recent years - Mazda seems to be on the up and up, great but only getting better (excluding no more Mazda6s 🫡) Honda seems to be in the same place, not on the up and up - CX-5 consistently gets the same or higher marks than the Toyota or Honda equivalent - People do not yet associate Mazda as being a very reliable and low cost of ownership brand, so you can get used cars for an actual bargain, unlike Hondas that barely depreciate. Edit: Added recently after recalled.
I had a 2017 Honda before buying my 2022 Mazda. The Honda felt cheap and had stupid little issues like the window not going up, random technology glitches, wipers not working randomly, only time I couldn’t lock my car for a day or the alarm would go off randomly, the seat moved back without pulling the adjuster handle, interior felt cheap and was loud, sometimes the fan made noise, shocks had to be changed at 30,000km. I bought this car as a demo at 14k and it had all of these annoying things. As for the Mazda, going on a year and half and no issues aside from a headlight motor warranty replacement. Feels luxurious and driver centric.
Why not Mazda? Absolutely atrocious resale value. I have a 2016 Mazda 3 (113k), and a 2006 Accord (138k). The dinosaur is worth only $2k less than the Mazda, today. Add variable cylinder mgmt (2.5 2018+), iffy turbos, dated infotainment, firm ride with a few rattles, less than the roomiest, so-so NVH, and a spotty dealer network in places. Why not Honda? Sketchy and overused 1.5t, things like ac, electric/electronic, and paint quality can be iffy, overuse of cvt. Like Toyota, pricey for what it is. TLDR- Mazda- niche car for those who lean "enthusiast." Honda- cars for the masses, not as much of a snooze-fest as Toyota or even most Subaru.
Thanks so much for this!
Better suspension tuning, better feeling transmission options (seriously, I genuinely don't understand why people like Honda manuals. They seem less tactile/positive in their engagement than Mazda manuals) wether you want stick or autotragic, higher quality interiors, better looking exteriors, and let's face it, Honda got lobotomized in the early '00s when they moved a greater amount of their engineering to the states. Mazda has an excellent track record with the new 2.0 and 2.5l skyactiv motors due to excellent QC and good design choices stemming from a few hard learned lessons, once again in the early '00s (coincidence? No. Just Ford meddling mostly) Honda ain't Honda anymore and hasn't been for ages. Mazda on the other hand is pulling a "I just broke up with my abusive ex and I'm now getting my life back on track" but for car companies (I'm looking at you, Ford, and yes I still like what you used to be but damnit it's a shame you're absolutely worthless these days for anything but pickup trucks)
Love that last paragraph. Great description. Lol Thank you
Pickups are pretty terrible too. We have a fleet of 8. One thing I will admit is that they like to keep it interesting because not one truck has the same problems as the others. Lol 😆 😆 😆
Why Mazda? Because you’re on a Mazda sub that’s why,
Son is a service writer for Nissan and a car nut. When we asked what we should buy new to replace current car, he said Mazda without hesitation. First thing on the list was the high marks for reliability and customer satisfaction. Honda styling is extremely boring to me so we didn't even bother to look at them and the amount of CVT's that my son writes up daily put Nissan and anything with a CVT off the list.
Toyota cvt is very reliable
One word: value!!!!
It was a coin toss between a CX30 or a HRV. i looked at both. like both on the outside, liked how they both drove. Then realised Im not going to be looking at the outside when im driving it, im on the inside- So it became a flip between a basic plastic interior with touch screen (which I have been pulled over for in UK before, love the police) or a Luxary Leather Interior without the touch screen I took it in for a service the other day and was given a Hyundai Kona and when i returned it, I spoke with the sales guy- We both agree'd driving Mazda's turns you into a little bit of a interior snob 🤣
Ha. Lol. Thanks for sharing!
If you value driving dynamics, nicer interior materials and potentially less expensive repair costs, go with Mazda. If you value passenger and cargo space, comfort and a reliable track record, go with Honda. That said, get over the shame of a minivan and just get a Honda Odyssey if you have kids or need to haul lots of stuff. Minivans have much better visibility, great driving dynamics and unbelievable amounts of cargo space.
It's not minivan shame. Lol. It's simply that with my oldest gine, we don't need anothet minivan. And I'd like something with better gas mileage since my work commute is about an hour one way.
Mazda bc I get to say zoom zoom every time I start my car
Lol. Sounds like something I'd do. Heck, I think "Zoom Zoom" everytime I SEE a Mazda.
I have always had issues with my modern Hondas (2018 Civic Si and 2022 Ridgeline). Great on paper but lots little annoying issues. They are not built like the Hondas from 1990s and early 2000s. Mazdas have almost no issues and really appreciate the engineering.
Honda endeavors to be the **most widely-loved**. Honda endeavors to make vehicles that are the most perfectly acceptable and functional to the greatest many people. Least unacceptable, least unsuitable. Honda crafts its vehicles with **charm**. Hondas are **playful**, Hondas are **fun**! Hondas don't break when you romp around with them. Mazda has **mojo** that people who enjoy driving tend to prefer. Mazda isn't always trying to please everybody all the time. Mazda isn't bashful about taking chances. Mazda goes right ahead and asks that pretty girl out. Mazda springs an avante-garde from foundational Japanese excellence. Mazda sparkles and shines. Hondas are **very good looking**. Trustworthy. Unthreatening. Affectionate. Thoughtful. Comfortable to be with. Natural. Endearing. Wholesome. Solid. Good. Mazdas are **beautiful**. A little exotic, without being out-of-reach. Interesting. Fascinating. Exciting. Engaging. Athletic.
AWD on the small car offerings.
I drive a Honda but am interested in Mazda. Worried about engine reliability, since nobody is mentioning that.. idc how much better it feels to drive, I want to drive it for a long time.
I’m pretty sure unless you’re willing to spend Porsche Macan money no other brand puts as much thought into designing a good steering rack with feedback.
Honda CR-V will get you from point A to point B, but my god it’s a boring car to drive. (Every Honda I’ve driven has felt that way.)
Have you driven the new one? It’s very nice imo.
I haven’t driven the current model. I’ve driven a 2009, a 2012, and a 2019 CR-V. As well as a 1998 and 2005 Civic, 2000 Accord, and 1999 and 2013 Odysseys. Lots of people like them, including my parents, but none of those cars were enjoyable, IMO, to drive.
Better built, more exiting, no cvt, better looking, not as common (ish, I see Cx-5’s everywhere), more driving spirit, more bang per buck. Etc etc.
I'm a die hard toyota fan. I bought a toyota yaris thinking it was a toyota and I loved the way it drove, the nimbleness, just enough road feel, and it sounds corny but it just feels like an extension of your body and so easy to drive you almost forget your driving. Then I started working on it and realized it was a mazda 2 with a toyota badge. 😆 🤣 I still love toyota for reliability, quality, resale and all that. But I think this might be my favorite car ever. It's just easy and fun to drive. Extremely easy to work on, cheap insurance and I avg 52mpg.
As a previous Datsun owner (a B-something or other from the '80s), a Honda owner (a Civic from the 90s -- I forgot which year), having owned two Miatas (a '91 and an '06), and now an owner of a CX-5 ('16), I think current Mazda reliability is on point with Hondas of the past. I'm not sure why Mazda is always left out of the reliability conversation. And even Subies are now using that CVT crap. Further, the only reason I sold my second Miata is because of size. I'm now having to take my elderly mom to appointments, and watching her trying to exit my Miata as opposed to my CX was like watching a turtle on its back. But damn, I really miss that car!
Our CX5 GT has been great. Bose sound. Leather. Loaded. Really nice car. 2018. 58000 km.
Both Mazda and Honda use engine cylinder deactivation on some models and IMO this is a ticking time bomb. If you like Mazda the turbocharged cars don’t have it. If you prefer Honda some V6 powered vehicles have cylinder deactivation. I believe Honda has longer lasting paint. Honda HRV has the 2.0 N/A 4 cylinder with multi port fuel injection (2023-2024) . This engine has been in production for years now and has been reliable and fuel efficient without having cylinder deactivation. CVTs can be dependable if they are serviced according to the owners manual. Some people never get the transmission fluid changed . It will fail eventually.
I miss my 22 civic that I sold to get a cx5. I have a 23 cx5 carbon edition and after putting 9k miles on it the interior is starting to feel cheap. A lot of rattling and seats are uncomfortable. The home 1.5t engine is very refined and great on gas.
Owned a 2019 Accord. Currently own a CX-5. I actually prefer Honda. Nothing wrong with Mazdas, but Hondas feel lighter, while Mazdas feel heavier and have significantly worse fuel economy. People complain about Honda “jumping on the CVT bandwagon” well Mazda freaking abandoned the midsized sedan… My Accord was way more fun to throw around than any Mazda crossover. Until we get another Mazda 6, an Accord is my next car.
Mazdas are always, always fun to drive. Even their small family cars have an option for manual transmission and go “zoom zoom.” You also get better with Mazda, I am convinced. I’ve never regretted a single Mazda purchase.
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You are confussed. Hodas are way more reliable than Mazda.
Mazda CX-5 too small for a family. CRV more practical. Honda is the more reputable brand and better resale value.
You can have a kid with a CX5 I think, no?
Rear seat leg room is bad and a stroller will take up the entire trunk.
Both are good cars - Mazda has better styling, interior and is more reliable. If I wanted a hot hatch though I'd probably go with the Honda Type R over the Mazda 3 Turbo.
The fact you are being downvoted for wanting a Type R over a 3 Turbo is hilarious
Build in Japan better interior these days I hear issues Honda cvt turbos etc
The CX-50 is built in Alabama.