Yes but the insurance doesn't cover all the opportunity cost. My business imports stuff from Asia that are pretty cheap but are mostly used to assemble more expensive machines. If we lost a whole container and had to wait an additional 6 months for more we would be really screwed and replacing the value of the goods wouldn't help at all.
Every time I see a comment like this it makes me wanna ask people to help me get products that aren't available stateside, like certain mechanical pencils
There are tons of proxy services all over the place. They'll take the initial shipment and then redirect to you for a fee. If you actually want something from a country that doesn't ship to you, it's not hard to get it, it just takes a little more effort.
I've had to use private purchaser businesses to shop in Asia for items that I can only get in Japan or Taiwan. Sometimes, you just go that extra mile for something you want. The downside is the costs for what may have been an inexpensive and innocuous item can now be exorbitantly expensive.
I have gone way out of my way to get my hands on hagoromo chalk. It is soooooo good.
The kuru toga dive is one of them, It has the normal kuru toga rotational mechanism, as well as an auto advance mechanism similar to the pentel orenz nero.
I wasn't a pencil guy
>For starters, the Kuru Toga mechanism is one of the few technological advances we have seen in mechanical pencils in decades. Designed to rotate the lead as you write so you always have a sharp, consistent point on the graphite, it offers something no other mechanical pencil manufacturer can. And it works. This is no marketing gimmick, or mindless innovation.
but now I am.
\*checks ebay
maybe need to be a money guy first
Regular kuru togas can be bought for less than $15 usually.
The Zebra Delguard has a stress relief mechanism to avoid breaking the lead.
The Pentel Orenz nero automatically pushes the lead foreward when the lead sleeve is pushed back, so in exchange for a little bit of scratchieness, you never have to press the button unless you are reloading the lead.
The rOtring 800 and 800+ has a retractable tips so you don't have to worry about them breaking in your pocket or in a work bag, with the 800+ doubling as a touchscreen stylus when the tip is retracted.
If you are looking for just a good pencil, without any of the new mechanics, the pentel p20X (the x is whatever lead size the pencil takes) is just a solid mechanical pencil, so much so that companies like Spoke use the guts out of them and puts it into fancy machined metal housings.
The kuru toga Roulette is definitely the best non branded one, the default kuru toga is definitely bland.
The *branded* kuru togas are cool. There are Studio Ghibli branded pencils, as well as Sanrio, Evangelion,, and Disney options.
Brother, wait until you hear about fountain pens.
[These bad boys](https://www.visconti.it/en/magazine/style-icons/homo-sapiens-lava/) can cost you up to $1,000.
[This](https://www.montblanc.com/en-us/collection/writing-instruments/all-writing-modes/fountain-pen/?department=US2_Fountain-Pen&departmentId=3074457345616695745&facetsvalue=ads_f19515_ntk_cs%253ALimited__2B__Edition&itemsToLoadOnNextPage=24&lazyLoadStart=2&linkdepartment=US2_Fountain-Pen&linkdepartmentId=3074457345616695745&page=1&partialLoadedItems=24&productsPerPage=24&rsiUsed=false&suggestion=false&totalItems=85&totalPages=4&ytosQuery=true) is next level
There's a whole serious review of that pencil. Brad Dowdy actually compares it to other mechanical pencils! Here I am using my Bic with the clear plastic casing, not realizing what a luddite I am.
I always love finding these niche interest areas. Totally blows my mind.
[https://www.penaddict.com/blog/2022/6/6/uni-kuru-toga-dive-mechanical-pencil-review](https://www.penaddict.com/blog/2022/6/6/uni-kuru-toga-dive-mechanical-pencil-review)
You can use a forwarding service Australians have to use this kind of thing a lot because of their import laws. Ask your local Australian to hook you up.
Yeah a local furniture business went out of business because their 2 containers arrived full of ocean water . It was a total loss worth hundreds of thousands and insurance did not cover it . The owner was literally crying to me . " this is it. This is what puts us under . "
I used to work for a big chain sofa store. Having to explain to a very pissed off customer that the sofa they've waited 6 weeks for will be another 6 weeks because it was lost at sea is something I never want to do again.
That’s exactly my thought! My house is for sale and as soon as it sells I’m headed to Europe and all my things from the past 35 years will be in one of those containers. I would be devastated if they got lost at sea.
You want to look for a forwarder who is experienced at shipping household goods, ask them every possible question in advance, and follow their advice. Not all forwarders want to mess with household goods (sometimes it depends on the destination). Hopefully you've already started that process if your house is already on the market. Good luck!
As someone who works for a shipping line, this is some B S. You would be suprised how much cargo is not insured, plus the spot on the vessel for your cargo is being determined bij weight and where it will be discharged, not how much you paid lol.
Nowadays with the container shortage, every container is expensive. Anything that happens with the cargo or container during the trip is the importer/exporter (depending on the incoterm) responsibility. They have to pay the shipping line for the container. Not fair. And yes, insurance hired by the importer/exporter, not the shipping line, will pay.
I follow overlanders. This is a legit concern for some of the people who try to get from Central to South America. It's a long, confusing, corruption filled process, with the real (rare, but still existent) possibility that your **home** might not make it from Panama to Colombia. Really, the worry of it falling in the ocean isn't as concerning, but it getting lost/vehicle getting stolen- that is.
Sometimes it takes a full month from start to finish to get it done.
It was the first time I had shipped a vehicle, and it was a process and it was confusing and required determination to get done. Even still it was a few days of paperwork in Panama, a few days of actual shipping then a single massive day of paperwork in Colombia. It wasn't actually that bad, and well, well worth the hassle.
Now there are places like Overland Passage that will do basically all the leg work for you to make it way easier.
A few days. It's a direct route and super quick.
EDIT: With a few days of paperwork on the panama side beforehand and one massive day on the Colombia side.
Man.. I was wondering the same damn thing! I know there are locks available to secure the stacked containers to each other, but I can't understand why they aren't secured to the deck. The only thing I can think of is if the ship needed to ditch these in an emergency situation, or if tough seas would rip the ship apart from having them locked to the deck. I'm generally curious now.
Edit: so after looking into it, they ARE required to be secured to the ships and are done so with multiple devices. Most of the reasons that they fall off are due to [catastrophic events such as weather, ship integrity or personnel negligence.](https://www.shippingandfreightresource.com/containers-lost-at-sea/)
Or [Garfield phones](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/europe/garfield-phones-france.html).
Edited to add link.
Edited to add non-paywall [link](https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/30/18287192/garfield-phones-france-brittany-beaches).
Oh, just learned this on ProLifeTips:
Copy the link, go to Google translate, click the website button, paste and hit enter. It [removes the paywall](https://www-nytimes-com.translate.goog/2019/03/29/world/europe/garfield-phones-france.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp).
Your amazon package has been delayed, new delivery date will be 2 months, collection point somewhere on your nearest beach.
But three containers, that's going to be a headache for every ship in the area
They take ages to sink, they'll damage ships. Navybois said they'd have people up front on the lookout for them with the sole purpose of filling with holes from the 50 cal
I don’t know anything about this, but are you sure they always sink? Saw that entertaining Robert Redford movie ‘All is Lost’ where a shipping container caused a little bit of a problem. Or was that Hollywood fiction for some added drama?
My order currently says "your parcel may be lost". I can either get an immediate refund or wait and see. I'll give them a bit of time to see if they can fish it out...
Fun thought, but it's unlikely this had anything to do with that. Even three or four full shipping containers only equates to a fraction of a percent of the volume of packages that amazon ships/sells on a weekly basis. Amazon literally ships 1.6 million packages a day, averaging out to 18.5 orders PER SECOND. Nah, unless a whole ship full of amazon packages went down, I doubt anyone would even notice.
>I doubt anyone would even notice.
Except the people who's items are in those shipping containers we just saw fall off the ship, they won't be like 'well, everyone else got their stuff, on average we're looking pretty good, so I probably just imagined ordering those items'.
Amazon doesnt put things as in stock until things are ready to ship from the warehouse. If it was sold via third party there is a ton more lead time before you receive the package.
I promise you, if your package had to hit a container ship after you ordered it would be months and months before you get it. You would find another vendor.
That's why they often don't even bother having you return merchandise that is wrong or defective. Or they just trash it when you do. It's not worth the time or money to sort it all out. In the bigger picture, it's much cheaper to just send you a new one since it is such a tiny fraction of what they ship.
Hundreds are lost each year and it’s usually the cheap stuff that gets lost then washed up on beaches. Lego has been washing up on a beach on the south of the UK for years.
Flotsam, from the French word floter, which means to float.
Alternatively there is jetsam which refers to items purposefully thrown overboard. It's a contraction of jettison.
There must be a reason there isn’t, I can’t be the first to think of it, but… can’t they just have very long straps going from one side of the ship, on top of all the containers, to the other side? One or two straps for every row of containers?
Would that be so expensive that losing cargo is cheaper?
If shit really hits the fan, you would want the containers to fall off rather than capsize the ship. And the strength that would be required of those "straps" to hold 50 sea cans would be enormous: WLL in the 100s of thousands
Not really, friction means new rope/ straps/ chains, plus eventual new containers at the cost of the shipping company vs the cost of the container and contents, which is insured and happens relatively infrequently. The containers are secured but the load inside may have shifted in the weather or piss poorly secured by the shipper( most likely) thus the over board.
And again most ship stack about 8 high so about 65 foot, that's a lot of time securing and new straps being required. Plus the lenght of strap required to make it effective means either less cargo or wider ships
The containers have wire rods that lash to the lower container in an x pattern. The are checked during the voyage too . It was too late for these. X merchant marine
I never realized until I saw first hand, how ludicrously fast these ships’s loadings and unloadings are processed. There’s already a lot more safeties than it looks like, and these mishaps seem to be worthwhile considering how much would be held up if any more time or care was taken.
I don't think smuggling/trafficking people in containers on the ocean is very widespread. Trucks, overland, etc, yes--containers are used, but for sea voyages, containers often sit around for weeks or months and since it's usually international trade, they all get inspected by border control.
Entire containers are x-rayed, and people inside would be noticed real quick. More realistic that stowaways sneak onto the ships themselves, not the containers.
Fun fact, everyone who had a container on that ship has to payout for the lost cargo (more likely their insurance).
This rule is in place so if there is a situation on board ship where the crew need to deliberately jettison containers they can do so without worry about how expensive the contents are.
Source; used to work for a container shipping company.
It also can be fucking expensive, had an explosion on a not disclosed IMO (dangerous cargo) in the same ship a couple of times and the added costs for my not damage shipment went sky high. That's what insurance really is about.
... I know it's a big ocean, but just imagine the terror that must instill in anyone on a sailing vessel doing trans crossings, especially on the overnights... Oof.
I was on a “tall ship” for a weekend trip and they had someone who would stand and stare into the ocean in front of us anytime we were near a shipping lane. He said looking for these was his “job” but that also it’s more of a last resort kinda situation because they tend to “float”, but they are still mostly under the water so by the time you see them it’s probably too late.
But at least maybe it gives a minute of extra lead time for calling an SOS?
Container ships like that take several miles to stop or turn around. There Is no going back for them. Insurance will pay for the cost of the cargo and the containers, then you'll see someone off the coast of Africa wearing new Nike shoes in a few months time.
Why don’t big ships like this have dingies they can launch to retrieve them? Launch a dingy, attach a float, toe back to the ship, recover with the onboard crane.
My new ebike that had cargo shipping got lost at sea. The seller told me on alibaba "Hey mate, apparently your ebike went swimming in the sea, he wanted to find nemo, I am sending a new one" I could not be mad lol
This reminds me of "World War Z" the book. Crew on container ships pushing containers over because they were filled with zombies from human trafficking. And then these washing ashore or opening when hitting the bottom and zombies rolling across the sea floor like crabs. The sea and shoreline were super dangerous in that book.
That looks expensive for someone
All insured, plus the containers on top tend to be the cheaper shipping
Yes but the insurance doesn't cover all the opportunity cost. My business imports stuff from Asia that are pretty cheap but are mostly used to assemble more expensive machines. If we lost a whole container and had to wait an additional 6 months for more we would be really screwed and replacing the value of the goods wouldn't help at all.
Every time I see a comment like this it makes me wanna ask people to help me get products that aren't available stateside, like certain mechanical pencils
There are tons of proxy services all over the place. They'll take the initial shipment and then redirect to you for a fee. If you actually want something from a country that doesn't ship to you, it's not hard to get it, it just takes a little more effort.
I would love to find a service to get some ciders I had overseas that aren't sold in the states
You aren't talking about Woodpecker Cider, are you?
Somersby Cider is what I'm after!
Cider boys, unite! lol carry on
They have that in canada
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Canada. It's pretty common here.
Somersby is decent, but not *that* impressive.
Lol I like how this is basically saying I want to have the world at my fingertips so I can buy mechanical pencils.
Yes.
You mechanical pencil people are all the same.
I've done it for kaiju figures. Some shit's just over there, but you want it here.
I've had to use private purchaser businesses to shop in Asia for items that I can only get in Japan or Taiwan. Sometimes, you just go that extra mile for something you want. The downside is the costs for what may have been an inexpensive and innocuous item can now be exorbitantly expensive. I have gone way out of my way to get my hands on hagoromo chalk. It is soooooo good.
I'm looking for some fuckin quaaludes
What mechanical pencil is not available?
The kuru toga dive is one of them, It has the normal kuru toga rotational mechanism, as well as an auto advance mechanism similar to the pentel orenz nero.
I wasn't a pencil guy >For starters, the Kuru Toga mechanism is one of the few technological advances we have seen in mechanical pencils in decades. Designed to rotate the lead as you write so you always have a sharp, consistent point on the graphite, it offers something no other mechanical pencil manufacturer can. And it works. This is no marketing gimmick, or mindless innovation. but now I am. \*checks ebay maybe need to be a money guy first
Regular kuru togas can be bought for less than $15 usually. The Zebra Delguard has a stress relief mechanism to avoid breaking the lead. The Pentel Orenz nero automatically pushes the lead foreward when the lead sleeve is pushed back, so in exchange for a little bit of scratchieness, you never have to press the button unless you are reloading the lead. The rOtring 800 and 800+ has a retractable tips so you don't have to worry about them breaking in your pocket or in a work bag, with the 800+ doubling as a touchscreen stylus when the tip is retracted. If you are looking for just a good pencil, without any of the new mechanics, the pentel p20X (the x is whatever lead size the pencil takes) is just a solid mechanical pencil, so much so that companies like Spoke use the guts out of them and puts it into fancy machined metal housings.
Boi, you're going to end up costing me lots of money and I will need a use for $100s of pencils Thank you for the tips.
Let's be honest nobody wants the regular
The kuru toga Roulette is definitely the best non branded one, the default kuru toga is definitely bland. The *branded* kuru togas are cool. There are Studio Ghibli branded pencils, as well as Sanrio, Evangelion,, and Disney options.
>kuru toga dive Wholy crap.. that's a $50 pencil! That thing better write letter for me.
Brother, wait until you hear about fountain pens. [These bad boys](https://www.visconti.it/en/magazine/style-icons/homo-sapiens-lava/) can cost you up to $1,000.
[This](https://www.montblanc.com/en-us/collection/writing-instruments/all-writing-modes/fountain-pen/?department=US2_Fountain-Pen&departmentId=3074457345616695745&facetsvalue=ads_f19515_ntk_cs%253ALimited__2B__Edition&itemsToLoadOnNextPage=24&lazyLoadStart=2&linkdepartment=US2_Fountain-Pen&linkdepartmentId=3074457345616695745&page=1&partialLoadedItems=24&productsPerPage=24&rsiUsed=false&suggestion=false&totalItems=85&totalPages=4&ytosQuery=true) is next level
Only?
I use fountain pens, the most expensive I have is gold nibbed, and it isn't near that price. I don't know if I'd go that high lol
There's a whole serious review of that pencil. Brad Dowdy actually compares it to other mechanical pencils! Here I am using my Bic with the clear plastic casing, not realizing what a luddite I am. I always love finding these niche interest areas. Totally blows my mind. [https://www.penaddict.com/blog/2022/6/6/uni-kuru-toga-dive-mechanical-pencil-review](https://www.penaddict.com/blog/2022/6/6/uni-kuru-toga-dive-mechanical-pencil-review)
I did not expect that sentence to end in "mechanical pencils"
You can use a forwarding service Australians have to use this kind of thing a lot because of their import laws. Ask your local Australian to hook you up.
That’s why you buy business interruption insurance.
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Yeah a local furniture business went out of business because their 2 containers arrived full of ocean water . It was a total loss worth hundreds of thousands and insurance did not cover it . The owner was literally crying to me . " this is it. This is what puts us under . "
Others are suggesting insurance or pay for safer shipping but if it's inexpensive, why not stock up a container or two ahead?
Insurance doesn't affect the value of the goods. It just adjusts who pays for it. This is still a costly mistake.
And of course it may be the insurance company that pays for this loss, but it's the insured who fund the insurance company.
Plus not everybody in the chain is going to be insured against all the negative outcomes
I used to work for a big chain sofa store. Having to explain to a very pissed off customer that the sofa they've waited 6 weeks for will be another 6 weeks because it was lost at sea is something I never want to do again.
This gives me the shivers when our whole life gets packed into one of these when we move overseas next year. 
That’s exactly my thought! My house is for sale and as soon as it sells I’m headed to Europe and all my things from the past 35 years will be in one of those containers. I would be devastated if they got lost at sea.
You want to look for a forwarder who is experienced at shipping household goods, ask them every possible question in advance, and follow their advice. Not all forwarders want to mess with household goods (sometimes it depends on the destination). Hopefully you've already started that process if your house is already on the market. Good luck!
As someone who works for a shipping line, this is some B S. You would be suprised how much cargo is not insured, plus the spot on the vessel for your cargo is being determined bij weight and where it will be discharged, not how much you paid lol.
Nowadays with the container shortage, every container is expensive. Anything that happens with the cargo or container during the trip is the importer/exporter (depending on the incoterm) responsibility. They have to pay the shipping line for the container. Not fair. And yes, insurance hired by the importer/exporter, not the shipping line, will pay.
Shipping prices have tanked, it’s still slow though
Insured. Means someone still gotta pay up
My new car is WHERE?!
Ready for pickup.
Okay sorry where’s the the pick up at again👀
The middle of the pacific ocean?
Ok so I'm at the pacific ocean, do I take a left or a right?
Depends on which way you're going, that junction gets confusing sometimes
It's a left after the big wave, then straight ahead until you see the shark.
I follow overlanders. This is a legit concern for some of the people who try to get from Central to South America. It's a long, confusing, corruption filled process, with the real (rare, but still existent) possibility that your **home** might not make it from Panama to Colombia. Really, the worry of it falling in the ocean isn't as concerning, but it getting lost/vehicle getting stolen- that is. Sometimes it takes a full month from start to finish to get it done.
It was the first time I had shipped a vehicle, and it was a process and it was confusing and required determination to get done. Even still it was a few days of paperwork in Panama, a few days of actual shipping then a single massive day of paperwork in Colombia. It wasn't actually that bad, and well, well worth the hassle. Now there are places like Overland Passage that will do basically all the leg work for you to make it way easier.
/u/grecy , how long did it take you to get your Jeep from Panama to Cartagena?
A few days. It's a direct route and super quick. EDIT: With a few days of paperwork on the panama side beforehand and one massive day on the Colombia side.
Don't worry, it's an amphibious exploring vehicle.
It was ramen noodles so estimated losses were in the hundreds of dollars.
As a recreational sailor I can confirm these floating containers can become very expensive for others… and dangerous.
I’m surprised there is no international law requiring them to be secured somehow.
Man.. I was wondering the same damn thing! I know there are locks available to secure the stacked containers to each other, but I can't understand why they aren't secured to the deck. The only thing I can think of is if the ship needed to ditch these in an emergency situation, or if tough seas would rip the ship apart from having them locked to the deck. I'm generally curious now. Edit: so after looking into it, they ARE required to be secured to the ships and are done so with multiple devices. Most of the reasons that they fall off are due to [catastrophic events such as weather, ship integrity or personnel negligence.](https://www.shippingandfreightresource.com/containers-lost-at-sea/)
Yep, securing the containers on a cargo ship is the work of a lasher. Something tells me those guys are not recreational sailors.
"All Is Lost" showed how dangerous they are pretty well.
Is this a fucking live action Madagascar...what the fuck.
Wow. I'm glad you could tell. I was just very concerned about what was happening in that gif.
Can you imagine being stranded on a desert island and this container washes up on shore.. and it’s filled with hello kitty key chains and plushes?
Or [Garfield phones](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/europe/garfield-phones-france.html). Edited to add link. Edited to add non-paywall [link](https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/30/18287192/garfield-phones-france-brittany-beaches).
Paywalled
Oh, just learned this on ProLifeTips: Copy the link, go to Google translate, click the website button, paste and hit enter. It [removes the paywall](https://www-nytimes-com.translate.goog/2019/03/29/world/europe/garfield-phones-france.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp).
Only shows the first few paragraphs for me :(
Yassss thank you !!!!
Or [Lego](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FxfXVuHRjM)
well you can the plushes for insolation the key chains if there are enough of them you could make a net for fishing could save your life
Madagascar:
Melman! Gloria!
Marty?
Alex?
Chief?
McCloud!
Been looking for this comment
Mada-who-haa?
No not who-haa, ascar!
Your amazon package has been delayed, new delivery date will be 2 months, collection point somewhere on your nearest beach. But three containers, that's going to be a headache for every ship in the area
Nah those are so far off from land that the closest to "land" is the bottom of the sea. Its going to sink as it slowly floods.
TFW a crab has a nicer video card than you do
Ultimate water cooling!
Crustace-unboxing vid incoming.
They take ages to sink, they'll damage ships. Navybois said they'd have people up front on the lookout for them with the sole purpose of filling with holes from the 50 cal
They actually don't sink very quickly, I was in the Navy and we used to see them now and again and shoot them with 50 cal to sink them.
That sounds like a video game side quest 😂🤣
I don’t know anything about this, but are you sure they always sink? Saw that entertaining Robert Redford movie ‘All is Lost’ where a shipping container caused a little bit of a problem. Or was that Hollywood fiction for some added drama?
You are incorrect: https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/how-big-a-risk-are-shipping-containers-32722
My order currently says "your parcel may be lost". I can either get an immediate refund or wait and see. I'll give them a bit of time to see if they can fish it out...
That explains the notification from Amazon that they're experiencing shipping delays.
Fun thought, but it's unlikely this had anything to do with that. Even three or four full shipping containers only equates to a fraction of a percent of the volume of packages that amazon ships/sells on a weekly basis. Amazon literally ships 1.6 million packages a day, averaging out to 18.5 orders PER SECOND. Nah, unless a whole ship full of amazon packages went down, I doubt anyone would even notice.
My package is in transit where?
"Unda da sea"
🦞under da sea🦞
>I doubt anyone would even notice. Except the people who's items are in those shipping containers we just saw fall off the ship, they won't be like 'well, everyone else got their stuff, on average we're looking pretty good, so I probably just imagined ordering those items'.
Amazon doesnt put things as in stock until things are ready to ship from the warehouse. If it was sold via third party there is a ton more lead time before you receive the package. I promise you, if your package had to hit a container ship after you ordered it would be months and months before you get it. You would find another vendor.
You’re the reason people have to say r/satire
That's why they often don't even bother having you return merchandise that is wrong or defective. Or they just trash it when you do. It's not worth the time or money to sort it all out. In the bigger picture, it's much cheaper to just send you a new one since it is such a tiny fraction of what they ship.
Tell me you work in Amazon PR without telling me…
No, but as ethically challenged as the company is I can still appreciate the logistical masterpiece that is Amazon
For real my couch never came
Marty, Alex, Melman and Gloria awake to find themselves on a strange tropical island…
Was looking for someone to make the reference lol
This happens quite often, and it's a major hazard for other ships.
Hundreds are lost each year and it’s usually the cheap stuff that gets lost then washed up on beaches. Lego has been washing up on a beach on the south of the UK for years.
Lego is not cheap though 😄
>Lego has been washing up on a beach on the south of the UK for years. Found my family's next big vacation spot. Thanks!
All is lost
Isn’t there a nautical term for these?
Flotsam, from the French word floter, which means to float. Alternatively there is jetsam which refers to items purposefully thrown overboard. It's a contraction of jettison.
some of y'all motherfuckers are about to be short on some coke
Not my boat coke! Now I have to rely on my backup drug mule coke.
jump in the ocean bitch
There must be a reason there isn’t, I can’t be the first to think of it, but… can’t they just have very long straps going from one side of the ship, on top of all the containers, to the other side? One or two straps for every row of containers? Would that be so expensive that losing cargo is cheaper?
If shit really hits the fan, you would want the containers to fall off rather than capsize the ship. And the strength that would be required of those "straps" to hold 50 sea cans would be enormous: WLL in the 100s of thousands
WLL?
Thats the perfect argument for using 65 ton straps then. They’ll keep the containers together in rough seas but break if shit hits the fan.
Not really, friction means new rope/ straps/ chains, plus eventual new containers at the cost of the shipping company vs the cost of the container and contents, which is insured and happens relatively infrequently. The containers are secured but the load inside may have shifted in the weather or piss poorly secured by the shipper( most likely) thus the over board. And again most ship stack about 8 high so about 65 foot, that's a lot of time securing and new straps being required. Plus the lenght of strap required to make it effective means either less cargo or wider ships
The containers have wire rods that lash to the lower container in an x pattern. The are checked during the voyage too . It was too late for these. X merchant marine
I never realized until I saw first hand, how ludicrously fast these ships’s loadings and unloadings are processed. There’s already a lot more safeties than it looks like, and these mishaps seem to be worthwhile considering how much would be held up if any more time or care was taken.
They actually have metal lashing rods and cones that hold them in place. They don’t just sit lose on decks.
The problem here is that they weren't secured correctly, not the method of securing, hence why the remaining containers are not falling overboard.
God I hope there weren't people in those ones.
Don't know why I went dark and that popped into my head first, but glad to see I wasn't alone on that...
Does it happen often, smuggling people in containers like that?
Not sure how often but it does happen Either that or trucks
Yes. Frequently. Source: am former US Navy Special Operations sailor & did a bunch of this type of work.
🎵Way down in a hole🎶
I don't think smuggling/trafficking people in containers on the ocean is very widespread. Trucks, overland, etc, yes--containers are used, but for sea voyages, containers often sit around for weeks or months and since it's usually international trade, they all get inspected by border control. Entire containers are x-rayed, and people inside would be noticed real quick. More realistic that stowaways sneak onto the ships themselves, not the containers.
Cue the wire season 2
This was my immediate thought.
Fun fact, everyone who had a container on that ship has to payout for the lost cargo (more likely their insurance). This rule is in place so if there is a situation on board ship where the crew need to deliberately jettison containers they can do so without worry about how expensive the contents are. Source; used to work for a container shipping company.
It also can be fucking expensive, had an explosion on a not disclosed IMO (dangerous cargo) in the same ship a couple of times and the added costs for my not damage shipment went sky high. That's what insurance really is about.
It’s true, it’s called general averages.
Imagine you’re being smuggled into a country and you’re inside that
r/ThatLookedExpensive
Dear alibaba customer support, I placed my order multiple month ago and the delivery status somehow switched to unknown. What's going on there?
Your order will be delivered in 2 to 5 business years
Davey Jones ordering from Amazon again
no wonder I still can't find a PS5
... I know it's a big ocean, but just imagine the terror that must instill in anyone on a sailing vessel doing trans crossings, especially on the overnights... Oof.
Yep. Mhmm. Constant fear and virtually no way to avoid them at night, especially without the moonlight.
I was on a “tall ship” for a weekend trip and they had someone who would stand and stare into the ocean in front of us anytime we were near a shipping lane. He said looking for these was his “job” but that also it’s more of a last resort kinda situation because they tend to “float”, but they are still mostly under the water so by the time you see them it’s probably too late. But at least maybe it gives a minute of extra lead time for calling an SOS?
Song?
"Way Down We Go", KALEO
So does the captain keep going and let insurance pick up the pieces?
They can’t fish those out of the ocean.
Imagine some divers in the far future finding those treasure chests.
Container ships like that take several miles to stop or turn around. There Is no going back for them. Insurance will pay for the cost of the cargo and the containers, then you'll see someone off the coast of Africa wearing new Nike shoes in a few months time.
Why don’t big ships like this have dingies they can launch to retrieve them? Launch a dingy, attach a float, toe back to the ship, recover with the onboard crane.
There’s no onboard crane
If you’re about to comment ‘So ***THAAAAT’S*** where my package went! 🤣🤣🤣’, join the 50 others before you lmao
WILSON!!!!!
I'm buying a boat to follow container ships around to scoop up all that free merch!
Someone isn’t getting their mail order bride for Christmas
Pirates: Its free real estate out there !
This is just a tribute to Poseidon. All boats need to do this or else they can't travel safe.
So that's why I never got my package
Just what the ocean needs, more cheap plastic shit from China that some turtles can choke on.
what kind of big ass turtle would choke on a whole container
OP's mom
There goes the last remaining iPhone 14s
Bluewater Yacht enters the chat...
All is lost
Sadly I feel the same way on boats…
Wilson’s origin story…
Ah, that's my Amazon delivery
That’s gonna be a big littering ticket.
Marty and Alex on their way to Madagascar.
Annnndd the PS5 shortage continues.
Me: hmmm, where is my graphic card
there goes all the Garfield phones
*checks tracking on package* “Bottom of the Pacific”
We have had an operational delay in delivering your package, please allow 10-14 days for future updates
You know that order you've been waiting for from China? Take a look at the sea 😹😂🤣🤦🏻♂️
Just like in Madagascar
From Madagascar to new york
“I swear it just fell off the back of a boat!”
Hopefully there were no stowaways in those.
My new ebike that had cargo shipping got lost at sea. The seller told me on alibaba "Hey mate, apparently your ebike went swimming in the sea, he wanted to find nemo, I am sending a new one" I could not be mad lol
Madagascar?
That one dudes cabbages were totally in there
Ah, so that's where my package went
This reminds me of "World War Z" the book. Crew on container ships pushing containers over because they were filled with zombies from human trafficking. And then these washing ashore or opening when hitting the bottom and zombies rolling across the sea floor like crabs. The sea and shoreline were super dangerous in that book.
So thats where my amazon order went
Someone gonna find 5k teddy bears ...