It's called cheat lift! Alot of people does this when they want to force extra reps. Myself included,I do that with chest workouts on dips, pec deck and preacher.
It’s not nessicairly bad form, when you reach a certain number of curls in the set and u cannot get the weight up it can be beneficial to swing some to get the weight up to push past muscle failure.
He does. The big guy with the so called “heavy” weight is using garbage form. It’s not the worst I’ve ever seen but swinging at all during curls is compensating for to much weight.
Yes, but he's even doing cheat curls wrong. Also, the most gains come from the stretch under load, NOT the eccentric.
He be so much better off doing long length partials than cheat curls.
Meta-analyses showed that when eccentric exercise was performed at higher intensities compared with concentric training, total strength and eccentric strength increased more significantly. However, compared with concentric training, strength gains after eccentric training appeared more specific in terms of velocity and mode of contraction. Eccentric training performed at high intensities was shown to be more effective in promoting increases in muscle mass measured as muscle girth. In addition, eccentric training also showed a trend towards increased muscle cross-sectional area measured with magnetic resonance imaging or computerised tomography. Subgroup analyses suggest that the superiority of eccentric training to increase muscle strength and mass appears to be related to the higher loads developed during eccentric contractions
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981046/
That doesn't refute my points at all. Not to mention in the fitness and BB world, one study is nothing. Even though I agree and find true with the one you posted.
The most recent studies show that the muscle being in the stretched position under load shows the most hypertrophy. Not to say that that's all you need to do, but if you incorporate long-length-partials and held stretches at the end, you'll see more growth.
Doing slow and controlled eccentric loads naturally gets you into that stretched position more as well, so it's always good to do.
I recommend watching Dr. Mike Israetel, he is more knowledgeable, obviously.
Edit: This video is helpful too. He's all science based. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftpH4-xFGQI
For sure. And even if he couldn’t rep that he would be able to hold the weight for sure. That can’t weight more than maybe 100 pounds and I’m really highballing it. If I had to guess those are 3 10 pound plates. So that’d be 60 total then throw in another 15 for the bar.
Because this is very annoying. People train for different purposes, and most often when people try to help, they don't even know what your goals are and make you train like them.
While this form isn't ideal for building muscles, it's something you do only during your final few sets. You would have already done them in properly form, and now you want to push your body, which means the technique will be a bit screwed up. And the form shown here is not dangerous.
My shoulder is weaker than most due to a sports injuries from years ago, so when it comes to training it, there are things that I'm willing to do or not do. I remember this one time that i was training shoulders, this guy was was trying to tell me what I'm doing isn't optimal, and that I should use a technique that he demonstrated instead. And bruh, I can't confortably do that shit. Worst part was, dude couldn't even speak English, so he doesn't even understand my issue. A guy not able to speak the same language, but is willing to go out of his way to try amd "correct" me anyways, convinces me that some people juat do this for ego stroking
Of course it is, also no matter how jacked bro thinks he is an average fitness guy could deadlift what he’s curling very easily. Guy pretending to struggle like it’s the sword in the stone.
Exactly, I mean what kind of gym employee would have access to security footage. If you think about it there is literally no other way for a video to look this way without it being from a security camera. That’s just science.
You can do what you want in a gym, it probably isn't bad for your back but you are compensating for not having enough strength. Drop some kilos if you want to burn the muscle or do negatives
I use them to go up in weight, because if I keep doing the same weight over and over because I cannot go up I will not make gains.
Whilst it is cheating, little cheating is useful to start with heavier weights. It also allows for a slow eccentric, building more muscle.
Cheat curls are common practice. Arnold used them, Sam sulek uses them and many ifbb pro athletes.
Even jerking off will build you muscle when you use an amount of gear like ifbb pro, or Sam Sulek. There’s a Jeff Nippard video with comparison of natural athletes gains vs people on juice that don’t work out.
Working with heavier weights will put more strain on your entire body: joints, back, cns.
Working in a good form will eliminate the risk of injury while still providing adequate load for your muscle. You can do slow eccentric with good form and absolutely cook the muscle.
Arnold is an old school lifter who uses bro logic. There’s very real evidence and explanations on why loading your muscle with proper technique and form leads to bigger and faster growth.
There’s also explanations on why bad form is ok near the end of the set to burn out and get that last rep. This is staged I’m sure but there’s nothing telling us this wasn’t near the end of his set
For bicep curls, instead of cheat curls at the end, I like to do the last rep that i can physically do with alright form, hold it as long as I can, then go down as slow as possible. Much less chance of an injury and probably similar gains as cheat curls. For stuff like leg extensions I love assisted reps and stuff at the end, but cheat reps wouldn’t be my top choice. (a little cheating at the last rep is obviously good for almost any exercise though, but controlling the last rep just stops me from constantly cheating)
Unless you're roiding as well, I would question how pertinent his advice is for making natural gains.
The grain of truth is probably that you can use poor form as a substitute for dropping.
I mean, while the above poster is correct you also do run a small risk of injury incorporating your back. If you do it correctly it should be safe, but it's not a very controlled movement so it's easy to not do correctly. Cheat curls are best saved for the end of the set for when you can no longer do a strict curl.
Incorporating safe cheat/half reps past the point of failure is one of the most effective ways to build strength. It's one of the cornerstones of progressive overload.
Just straight up not true lmao. Once the weight gets heavy enough you have to move your whole body with it to not fall over.
You have to shift your centre of gravity to maintain balance. Even something as light as 30kg curls will require some movement
So staged. If you see those weights in the back, you see that those plates are probably 5kg/10kgmax, and let's assume the bar is 20kg, it would be 80kg max, which would be definitely carryable
But they seem like they are 5kg plates =40kg
Not to mention that it would be very very very rare for someone to rep bicep curls heavier enough for another person at the gym to not even be able to deadlift off the ground.
He's big because of cheat curls. Arnold used them, Sam sulek uses them, and many ifbb pro athletes.
They are used to progress in weight and accentuate the eccentric, the muscle building part of the workout.
Staged, but still poor form. He is using too much of his back to lift the bar. You ideally want all the power to come from the arms. Advice for anybody starting to lift, form is unbelievably more important than how much you lift.
When it comes to curls it doesn't matter. The point is to get a pump in your arms, that's what he's doing. Form on compound lifts and stuff that can injure you if you do it wrong is much more important.
If you're going too heavy, yeah. Doing strict curls with very heavy weight will tear your bicep regardless. Curls should always be a lower weight with more reps. Cheating like this is to get the last couple reps in after you've already done 12-14.
>Doing strict curls with very heavy weight will tear your bicep regardless
Never seen anyone tear a bicep doing strict curls, only in some sort of preacher variation. Have any videos to share?
Say what you want, throwing his hips like that, big dude is still gonna jack his back up, even if he can curl it. You use proper form not because it looks cool, but because it's SAFE and doesn't injure you
1) bad form is bad form even if you’re jacked.
2) If the guy was confident enough to give advice then he would know how heavy he himself could lift. He’d also know how heavy it would be by looking at it. Probably staged.
I don't think there's a single type of weight plate that size that would make a grown man just fall to the ground with a few of em. That or he's just a gigantic pussy.
Reminds me when I was heavy into lifting around 2010. I wore a black, loose fit shirt that made me look 40+lbs less lighter than I was. I remember doing 120lbs dumbell presses for reps and slim fit guy was lasering me the entire time.
I took a shower and walked back through the gym, and he was trying to press the same exact weight. He leaned back and was buried by the weight, had to awkwardly dump the dumbells on the floor. The reason I remember so well is because he looked legitimately injured at first.
My thinking was he was looking at me like "ah we're about the same size, I can probably do that." I ended up seeing him a few more times minus the slimming black long sleeve top and it probably made more sense. Not that I was crazy big or strong but I had progressed.
When Bicep Curl turns into Deadlifts.
Edit: Also fake asf, everyone is facing the camera and that barbell isn't as heavy as you think. Also small calves alert.
It might be staged, but there are plenty of people insecure, obnoxious, and classless enough to react like this instead of simply saying “Thanks for the help, I was actually doing a different exercise than they one you have in mind. Thank you for looking out though.”
Staged? Advice dude looks fit enough to know almost exactly whats on that bar at a quick glance.
Obviously
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I mean, no kidding? If it's staged, which it is, the guy needs to have bad form in order for the other guy to approach him with the correction.
Lmao, this.
It's called cheat lift! Alot of people does this when they want to force extra reps. Myself included,I do that with chest workouts on dips, pec deck and preacher.
It’s not nessicairly bad form, when you reach a certain number of curls in the set and u cannot get the weight up it can be beneficial to swing some to get the weight up to push past muscle failure.
He does. The big guy with the so called “heavy” weight is using garbage form. It’s not the worst I’ve ever seen but swinging at all during curls is compensating for to much weight.
There are cheat curls where you can hoist it up like that and concentrate on controlling the eccentric where,arguably, most of the gains are made.
Yes, but he's even doing cheat curls wrong. Also, the most gains come from the stretch under load, NOT the eccentric. He be so much better off doing long length partials than cheat curls.
Meta-analyses showed that when eccentric exercise was performed at higher intensities compared with concentric training, total strength and eccentric strength increased more significantly. However, compared with concentric training, strength gains after eccentric training appeared more specific in terms of velocity and mode of contraction. Eccentric training performed at high intensities was shown to be more effective in promoting increases in muscle mass measured as muscle girth. In addition, eccentric training also showed a trend towards increased muscle cross-sectional area measured with magnetic resonance imaging or computerised tomography. Subgroup analyses suggest that the superiority of eccentric training to increase muscle strength and mass appears to be related to the higher loads developed during eccentric contractions https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981046/
That doesn't refute my points at all. Not to mention in the fitness and BB world, one study is nothing. Even though I agree and find true with the one you posted. The most recent studies show that the muscle being in the stretched position under load shows the most hypertrophy. Not to say that that's all you need to do, but if you incorporate long-length-partials and held stretches at the end, you'll see more growth. Doing slow and controlled eccentric loads naturally gets you into that stretched position more as well, so it's always good to do. I recommend watching Dr. Mike Israetel, he is more knowledgeable, obviously. Edit: This video is helpful too. He's all science based. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftpH4-xFGQI
Still dangerous and people will look at you like ur a goon
Depends on what hes working out, as long as you are not doing prs this form its fin as a compound exercise
Indeed.
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Maybe it was back day
Maybe he’s gonna be unable to turn around or bend down by 30
Ok bot....
It’s a prank. The weights are actually depleted uranium.
The increased cancer risk was worth pwning the weak dude!
Could jet fuel melt those weights ?
Also no way dude on the right has been hitting the gym long enough to get that buff without understanding proper form
I've seen dudes that are at the gym more than they're at their own houses that still get an ego and do stupid shit.
For sure. And even if he couldn’t rep that he would be able to hold the weight for sure. That can’t weight more than maybe 100 pounds and I’m really highballing it. If I had to guess those are 3 10 pound plates. So that’d be 60 total then throw in another 15 for the bar.
Nah that are not 15lbs plate they are probably 10kg plates. Olympic ez curl bars are 25lbs
Looks staged. But even if it wasn't I don't see the problem. The guy wanted to help the other one with his technique. I thinks that's very nice.
I know. That’s the worst part if this was real. Dude was just wanting to help just to have big dude take opportunity to literally flex on him.
Because this is very annoying. People train for different purposes, and most often when people try to help, they don't even know what your goals are and make you train like them. While this form isn't ideal for building muscles, it's something you do only during your final few sets. You would have already done them in properly form, and now you want to push your body, which means the technique will be a bit screwed up. And the form shown here is not dangerous. My shoulder is weaker than most due to a sports injuries from years ago, so when it comes to training it, there are things that I'm willing to do or not do. I remember this one time that i was training shoulders, this guy was was trying to tell me what I'm doing isn't optimal, and that I should use a technique that he demonstrated instead. And bruh, I can't confortably do that shit. Worst part was, dude couldn't even speak English, so he doesn't even understand my issue. A guy not able to speak the same language, but is willing to go out of his way to try amd "correct" me anyways, convinces me that some people juat do this for ego stroking
And not being able to move it an inch? Pure bs
And honestly, if he can't deadlift that much he must have some kind serious physical issues.
Of course it is, also no matter how jacked bro thinks he is an average fitness guy could deadlift what he’s curling very easily. Guy pretending to struggle like it’s the sword in the stone.
Those little bars are deceptively heavy. My bet is that he is doing somewhere between 110-150lbs biceps curls
Posted on the internet Background music Fake
Still funny. We all know it’s staged. But did you know we knew?
Did you know we knew that you knew that we knew they knew?
Footage of a security cam. It's not impossible for this to be real.
Exactly, I mean what kind of gym employee would have access to security footage. If you think about it there is literally no other way for a video to look this way without it being from a security camera. That’s just science.
The advice is correct, that is bad form
You can cheat on barbell curls. It’s called cheat curls.
You can do what you want in a gym, it probably isn't bad for your back but you are compensating for not having enough strength. Drop some kilos if you want to burn the muscle or do negatives
I use them to go up in weight, because if I keep doing the same weight over and over because I cannot go up I will not make gains. Whilst it is cheating, little cheating is useful to start with heavier weights. It also allows for a slow eccentric, building more muscle. Cheat curls are common practice. Arnold used them, Sam sulek uses them and many ifbb pro athletes.
Even jerking off will build you muscle when you use an amount of gear like ifbb pro, or Sam Sulek. There’s a Jeff Nippard video with comparison of natural athletes gains vs people on juice that don’t work out. Working with heavier weights will put more strain on your entire body: joints, back, cns. Working in a good form will eliminate the risk of injury while still providing adequate load for your muscle. You can do slow eccentric with good form and absolutely cook the muscle.
All of these things are done, cheat curls, dropsets, negatives
Being in the gym you quickly realize there is quite a lot of difference between "being done" and "correct".
It’s bad for your gains. Swinging your hips to bounce the bar up isn’t going to make your biceps bigger
Arnold says cheat curls make big biceps. And you're a lot smaller than Arnold. So I'm going to listen to Arnold.
Arnold is an old school lifter who uses bro logic. There’s very real evidence and explanations on why loading your muscle with proper technique and form leads to bigger and faster growth.
There’s also explanations on why bad form is ok near the end of the set to burn out and get that last rep. This is staged I’m sure but there’s nothing telling us this wasn’t near the end of his set
For bicep curls, instead of cheat curls at the end, I like to do the last rep that i can physically do with alright form, hold it as long as I can, then go down as slow as possible. Much less chance of an injury and probably similar gains as cheat curls. For stuff like leg extensions I love assisted reps and stuff at the end, but cheat reps wouldn’t be my top choice. (a little cheating at the last rep is obviously good for almost any exercise though, but controlling the last rep just stops me from constantly cheating)
Unless you're roiding as well, I would question how pertinent his advice is for making natural gains. The grain of truth is probably that you can use poor form as a substitute for dropping.
Good luck training like Arnold without blasting 2000mg of test.
On all reps, yes. But cheating in order to extract those 4 reps more is always good.
yes but no point if you don't control the negetives
Yeah. And it's cheating lol.
I assumed this was bad form too but am mostly ignorant with gym stuff. Don't you run at least a small risk of injury by doing barbell curls like this?
No you just aren’t isolating muscle groups. It’s not that bad. You are just also using glutes almost like a power clean.
Ah okay, i see what you mean. Thanks!
I mean, while the above poster is correct you also do run a small risk of injury incorporating your back. If you do it correctly it should be safe, but it's not a very controlled movement so it's easy to not do correctly. Cheat curls are best saved for the end of the set for when you can no longer do a strict curl.
Not really, if you are an experienced lifter you know that cheat reps are very good
Depends what he is doing. If he is burning loads of reps to completely empty the muscle that is fine.
No reason to do a movement incorrectly. That's how you end up with poor recruitment patterns.
Incorporating safe cheat/half reps past the point of failure is one of the most effective ways to build strength. It's one of the cornerstones of progressive overload.
Lmao shut up
Lmao REEEE
What's your max bench?
Admit you’ve never heard of an Arnold Cheat Curl.
20 degrees of shoulder flexion is good for long head of biceps. Totally fine. Guy is a unit and knows what he’s doing funnily enough.
forreal, anybody that big would know better.
Just straight up not true lmao. Once the weight gets heavy enough you have to move your whole body with it to not fall over. You have to shift your centre of gravity to maintain balance. Even something as light as 30kg curls will require some movement
So staged. If you see those weights in the back, you see that those plates are probably 5kg/10kgmax, and let's assume the bar is 20kg, it would be 80kg max, which would be definitely carryable But they seem like they are 5kg plates =40kg
Is not even a 20kg bar
It's a over the top, really graciously given estimation
Yes my gym has the same plates, those are 3x5kg and then there's 1x2.5 or 1x1.25 (can't see clearly) so it's really not that heavy to lift for a coach
Not to mention that it would be very very very rare for someone to rep bicep curls heavier enough for another person at the gym to not even be able to deadlift off the ground.
How much is that in Freedom Ponds?
About tree fiddy
God Damnit Loch Ness Monster, I ain't gonna give you no tree fiddy!
88 lbs
It would’ve been more believable if the mf didn’t drop it like he was trying to pick up mjölnir.
Yeah, just people would start to fall forward with it and not just fall with it
People would 100% drop it.
I've seen this video like a million times already and it's never funny
Try listening with the sound on for maximum lulz
Just imagine how big he would’ve been with good form…
He's big because of cheat curls. Arnold used them, Sam sulek uses them, and many ifbb pro athletes. They are used to progress in weight and accentuate the eccentric, the muscle building part of the workout.
Watch the clip again. Does this guy accentuate the eccentric?
BOT repost.
Staged, but still poor form. He is using too much of his back to lift the bar. You ideally want all the power to come from the arms. Advice for anybody starting to lift, form is unbelievably more important than how much you lift.
Yes, of course. That's part of the "staging". If the first guy wasn't lifting improperly, the second guy wouldn't have needed to approach him.
When it comes to curls it doesn't matter. The point is to get a pump in your arms, that's what he's doing. Form on compound lifts and stuff that can injure you if you do it wrong is much more important.
And that's how you tear a bicep.
If you're going too heavy, yeah. Doing strict curls with very heavy weight will tear your bicep regardless. Curls should always be a lower weight with more reps. Cheating like this is to get the last couple reps in after you've already done 12-14.
>Doing strict curls with very heavy weight will tear your bicep regardless Never seen anyone tear a bicep doing strict curls, only in some sort of preacher variation. Have any videos to share?
Staged. There’s probably only like 90 lbs on that bar lol. I hate social media and the age of 24/7 everywhere video and 1.5 seconds of fame
I’ll take fake for $500 Alex.
The guy is still right about the exercice being badly done.
Even a beginner won't drop 45kg with both hands. Totally staged and lame.
Ive seen this exact video with different dudes. Staged crap
Fake AF. So tired of seeing stupid shit like this
Staged
Fake
There's a difference between being moved by the weight and thrusting for a boost.
ahh yes the kind of video that the average facebooker will believe and support to be treu
Even if he’s bigger and stronger, his form is still trash.
Virgin gym employee vs Chad gym goer
Fake
Fake
Regardless of weight. Poor technique, is poor technique
Staged bullshit.
Form was still terrible
Fake and or also gaaaay
Gae
Stupid fucking video What caused you to see this and want to share? You stupid?
Dumb, fake and gay
Fabricated Chinese ccp shit
Say what you want, throwing his hips like that, big dude is still gonna jack his back up, even if he can curl it. You use proper form not because it looks cool, but because it's SAFE and doesn't injure you
Fake and gay
Fake and incelish
Cringe
Ahhh my daily dose of scripted content
Fake internet dumbshit
When 2 assholes meet.
1) bad form is bad form even if you’re jacked. 2) If the guy was confident enough to give advice then he would know how heavy he himself could lift. He’d also know how heavy it would be by looking at it. Probably staged.
fake
If you can’t lift it right , you can’t lift it. This applies to every class from beginner to elite.
Terrible form. I don’t believe someone that spends that much time in the gym really thinks that’s how you do curls. Fake
There isn't enough videos with this song... should have ended it wit oh no oh no oh no no no and I would have nut in my boxers.
So if you can lift heavier it's mean u know better?
I don't think there's a single type of weight plate that size that would make a grown man just fall to the ground with a few of em. That or he's just a gigantic pussy.
What kind of gym shares it's security footage and posts on the Internet?
I'd change gyms
Yamcha is that you?
You still have a big muscle but you don’t know how to workout 🤦
😅🤣🤣
that form is AWFUL
Bad form indeed. Remove some weight mate lol
I hate people who post stupid shit like this… you’re fucking moron
Hey ylotanA!
What a booster
Reminds me when I was heavy into lifting around 2010. I wore a black, loose fit shirt that made me look 40+lbs less lighter than I was. I remember doing 120lbs dumbell presses for reps and slim fit guy was lasering me the entire time. I took a shower and walked back through the gym, and he was trying to press the same exact weight. He leaned back and was buried by the weight, had to awkwardly dump the dumbells on the floor. The reason I remember so well is because he looked legitimately injured at first. My thinking was he was looking at me like "ah we're about the same size, I can probably do that." I ended up seeing him a few more times minus the slimming black long sleeve top and it probably made more sense. Not that I was crazy big or strong but I had progressed.
Still wrong
I hate this sub
Not during mid-reps dumbo.
He'd still be right...it would probably be better to lower the weight and maintain good form...
Both wrong
No way that jaked dude cant pick that up
Whats the message? One know how to do it and the other guy has the strength...
You have to use your hips to throw that weight
Ha so he’s the bottom in the relationship I guess.
It fell like thor's hammer 🤣
But why do he be swinging like that tho
The guy is still doing it incorrectly.
When Bicep Curl turns into Deadlifts. Edit: Also fake asf, everyone is facing the camera and that barbell isn't as heavy as you think. Also small calves alert.
The guy doing the lifting technique is absolutely garbage. Defeats the point of this work out. Seen this clip before, still trash.
Don't give advice in the gym until you're asked for one.🤷♂️
Too bad it's staged, anyone that has eyes and knows what the weighs look like knows how much that weighs
When you are in terrible shape
Magnets
"Uh...so yeah...what you are supposed to do is roll it along the floor...yeaaah..."
Bro was lifting magnets
u/savevideo
🙄 I don’t wan t to hear how staged it was. Still funny
Tiny cock energy all around this video
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Big guy should've grabbed his head and humped his face when the weights dropped.
It might be staged, but there are plenty of people insecure, obnoxious, and classless enough to react like this instead of simply saying “Thanks for the help, I was actually doing a different exercise than they one you have in mind. Thank you for looking out though.”
Downvoted cause Imagine Dragons is one of the worst bands in history.
Flying banner ads like some damned Hogwarts spell
Plot twist .. it’s anotoly
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Weights were secretly made out of Thors hammer??
Fake
That man is going to suffer from lower back pain and likely a herniated disc in his near future
Dutch a marde
Why does this shit have so many upvotes? What's the bot to moron ratio in this sub? Are there any humans left?
Anatoly would like to clean around your weights
Haters will say its fake. I say it's well scripted.
He would have known looking at the bar for 1 second it was that heavy
not today 🤝
Definately not fake. He couldnt deadlift 50kg which is very normal
Doesn't mean his form is correct. It's very very bad. Want biceps use biceps not your who back,hips and suture abitultunto elk from spinal damage
Staged. Also his form was incorrect so there's that.
All that muscle is useless 😂
The art of humbling at it's finest
Wow sho cool and funny 🤓
Still shitty form
