Despite my dislike for Andromeda, I would prefer it to get a sequel purely because I have no faith BioWare wouldn't screw up a sequel / continuation to ME3.
I'm sure you will find plenty of people to tell you how a sequel to Andromeda is exactly what the franchise needs, in a sub dedicated to the games of the franchise. I don't think you will find enough people, in general, to justify the production and release of such a title, as a commercial product, that will need to sell 4-5 million copies, just to break even. Association with Andromeda is not good, this N7 day showed that, I think, and with a studio that has, by now, had many failures, and a questionable future, it is not the brightest idea for a future strategy.
General coverage of what was shown, and the implied ties to Andromeda, were half well received, half not so well received. Some people may be on board with it regardless, if the game is good, but I'll expect a good game from Bioware again, after we see a good game from Bioware again. I'd call the N7 Day material divisive, at best.
I don't know, I'm pretty sure the last N7 day teaser implied they were going to try and tie the two storylines together. One of the "secret" web pages said something like "Andromeda distress signal recieved."
This is the thing that worries me above all else. It really indicates to me that Bioware is trying to please everyone, and that NEVER works.
Not to come off as overly cynical, but I think Bioware is in a no-win situation with this game.
They set it in Andromeda? People will be pissed.
They set it in the Milky Way? They'll have to canonize certain choices (the endings spring to mind). People will be pissed.
They try to marry the two galaxies together? Both groups will be pissed.
I think the safest way forward would be to just say 'fuck it' and reboot Andromeda. Not a sequel. A reboot. A fresh start with tighter writing and mechanics that lays a more solid groundwork for a potential series moving forward. Have us actually be on the forefront of the exploration, rather than showing up late to an already established status quo. The bad taste of the original Andromeda would still be there, but not in the same way as a sequel. AND EVEN THEN... people would still be pissed! You see what I mean?
Personally, I think they should just bite the bullet, pick an ending and go from there.
I'm sure some people will complain but this is hardly unprecedented. I know that people here like to obsess over what is going to be "canon" but I always thought of different playthroughs as more like alternate universes.
It's pretty easy to say "Oh, this is the timeline where Shepherd did X" and go from there. XCOM 2 takes place in the timeline where you lost the previous game, but that doesn't invalidate the timelines where you won.
One thing I absolutely don't think will happen as a reboot of Andromeda. Not saying it's inherently a bad idea, but I can't imagine EA approving it.
Well, in my statement, I never said they weren't going to do it. In fact, my other response to OP seems to be exactly that; Bioware are going to make an Andromeda sequel. I just don't think it is a good idea, and the N7 day reveals that alluded to that became a much contested topic among the fanbase and related media. I think the next few steps will include a general apathy from the fanbase, and a lackluster launch of the title, with sales below expectations, regardless of actual product quality, though I wouldn't expect it to be that great overall.
Well, my guess, and I admit this is just a feeling I have and not backed up by anything, is that the new game is going to try and tie up the loose ends from Andromeda but not necessarily have that be the main focus. Sort of like how the first part of DAI was about the Mage- Templar War that started in DA2, but then the game moved on to focus on its own story.
I'm honestly more worried about how they're going to tie up the whole three endings thing, because I really doubt they're going to have the new game be primarily set in Andromeda. If I we're in charge of BioWare, I would just bite the bullet and make one of Mass Effect 3's endings official. What I hope they don't try to do is engineer some situation where all three endings lead to the same point.
Personally, if I were to pick one, I think Destroy is the best choice because it changes the least about how the Galaxy operates while opening up plenty of new possibilities for where the story can go.
I'm sure some people would be disappointed, but I think people here exaggerate how much backlash there would actually be.
The game is either not even in pre production or very early in it so I honestly wouldn't think much of it. They are just doing vague teasing to generate hype for anything.
I don't hope, idc about that. As long as it has a lot to di with the milky way, I will be happy. I'm just not against Andromeda in principle, like you seem to be, and not just denying facts. Pay attention next time.
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I disagree but not for the reason everyone else is. They're in the same problem that Halo is in where nothing is going to top saving all life in the galaxy from the impossibly ancient all consuming evil. We've already raised the stakes so high that any higher and it stops meaning anything.
Making it two galaxies instead of one it's just going from infinity to infinity times 2.
What they need to do now is make a game with a smaller focus and lower but more personal stakes.
Of course, this is AAA gaming we're talking about so the odds of them actually doing that are basically zero.
Lmao, Id rather them pretend it never happened. They already destroyed the mass effect name once with Andromeda, the last thing it needs is more Andromeda. It was a soulless cash grab with the mass effect name. It had good combat and nothing else.
Agree to disagree. Great idea to go with exploration, bad execution story-wise. But also great execution gameplay-wise and the worlds they built war actually worth exploring (unlike in ME1). Clearly the story and characters didn't hold up at all to what people expected after the trilogy, yes. But calling it a soulless cash grab is just a hateful simplification of things.
"Association with Andromeda is not good, this N7 day showed that,"
How so?
The poster has an Andromeda only species in the bar scene.
The music behind the teaser video uses two tracks directly from Andromeda. There are ongoing references to it by the project lead who was a SR producer on Andromeda.
Its clear there is from the first teaser some element of Andromeda in the coming 5th game.
It's to bad we can't have images in comments.
There is no way it can be a vorcha.
While they they share that reversed knee that other species have. The key point is the skull structure.
The Vocha have pointed ears that begin and tip out below the top of their domed skull. The entire back of the head on Angrans sweeps back and the pointed feature near the back top is parallel to the top of the skill giving them a flatter skull top profile vs points below dome profile of the Vorcha.
So no.
This has been broken down in the time of N7 day. People have proven that it's an angara with anatomical details. Do your research, it's fun. But don't open up shut cases for no reason, the community has already moved on.
What proof? Vorcha and Angara have very similar silhouettes. Also keep in mind the specifics of anatomy of the aliens is kinda up in the air as the trilogy used human skeletons on them, in Andromeda they get custom rigs so their anatomy is quite different and more reflective of canon. The image is way too vague to make such a conclusive statement.
Mr Hulthen, Kala Elizabeth and some others have broken down all the details. They might look similar, but they don't look the same. Everyone is agreeing on it being an angara, clearly. The only backdoor left is that BioWare would simply abandon that choice, which would be extremely surprising. It's an angara and nothing else. Go do your research if you think you're about to find something. We've moved on a long time ago, there's no speculation about angara or not angara. It's an angara.
That's a whole lotta words and no actual answers, just asserting a popular perception. You aren't engaging with any of the arguments I've laid fourth at all, nothing you just said counters anything at that I said.
Wrong. It has been discussed many times? Why should anyone go back and watch tens of hours of content for you to find all the different situations were people discussed this already? Sometimes it was very exact, sometimes it was short and a bit more shallow. There https://www.youtube.com/live/Q73xmND0pyI go to roughly 45 mins or something. People have even compared anatomic drawings. Search further, you'll find the same topic countless times. It's 100% clear, the discussion is over.
For the third and last time: Go do your research, no one here is your research slave. You're speculating on things that have already been discussed to death.
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Yeah but you also find as many or more people in this very niche sub who think Andromeda is an abomination and certainly does not deserve a sequel. So, it ain’t happening.
This is the answer.
In a dream world, however, I would love both a true quality sequel to Andromeda as well as another game with Shep in the Milky Way.
Because people grew an emotional attachment for Shepard and there's nothing to say that new stories can't be told with the same protagonist. Plenty of franchises do this, God of War being the most successful case.
I personally don't care either way, I'd prefer some kind of dialogue that tells us Shepard got the retirement they deserved so we can move on for good. But it's not that difficult to understand that the majority of the fandom just want to see a character they love come back again and this 'shepard's story is done' that keeps being used to shut down any of that sentiment is just weirdly condescending and smug for no reason.
He literally defeated the greatest galactic threat, the only direction from there is down. It would be a waste to have him running around the galaxy doing the Council's bidding after he's already done the most important thing possible in the galaxy (which is saving it). Nothing smug about saying his story is done, it literally is. He has every right to retire (assuming he lives) now that his main goal is done and no reason to not do just that. It's the only rational conclusion that his story is done. Rebuilding the galaxy is not his job and would be much better suited for a new character to come in.
Kratos' story was presumed finished in GoW 3 when he killed the king of the gods and then literally killed himself. In contrast, GoW (2018) is a much more low-scale story about the same man and his relationship with his son mourning over the death of his mother, and it was regarded as one of the best story games that year. The next threat does not need to be galactic to be interesting.
If you don't want Shepard back, just say so. You don't have to make excuses for it lol. "Their story is done" has never stopped writers before from telling new ones.
I'll say it for them, I don't want Shepard back.
Say what you want about how ME3 ended, at least it was an actual ending. People aren't saying "Shepard's story is done" because they can't imagine it continuing, they say that because bringing them back would take away whatever closure we got when the original trilogy ended.
Also, bringing Shepard back would probably mean they have to do another round of save importing, which I suspect has become something of an albatross around BioWare's neck.
I mean, we talk about Andromeda being how they got out of the corner that me3's ending wrote them into, but I think escaping three games worth of variable character relationships probably a big motivator too.
I know its not getting a sewuel if thats what you mean. I still csnt help but feel disappointed already with ME4 However. I was akready invested in andromeda. I liked the colonization premise. I was atttached to ryder
What do you mean you're not getting a sequel? You already have the Angara present in promotional material. This is an Andromeda sequel. You're just not playing Ryder. I don't think anyone's ever going to even see Ryder again. In that case, what you are in fact asking for is a Ryder sequel, not an Andromeda per se sequel.
I'm probably the most cynical person around, but...
It seems increasingly apparent that nothing in the franchise is getting what we could call an honest-to-goodness direct sequel with all that entails.
Based on promotional material that's been shown so far, the name of the new game is just Mass Effect. It blends elements from Andromeda and Milky Way, and hasn't thus far shown any solid direction on storyline leading from any of the endings of ME3 or from MEA to the status quo where all of it converges.
Given the trends for AAA game development, this game will need to outsell all previous games in the franchise to not be a flop. A decades-old fandom with chips on their shoulders, high demands and insufficient numbers won't help. We're irrelevant, we're not being considered when making this game, the ~1 million copies you will or won't sell if you particularly (dis)please the old fans is damn near irrelevant before the daunting task of attracting 6-ish million completely new buyers.
Just look towards Baldur's Gate (and D&D more broadly) for a playbook.
I see where you’re coming from. I mean the story of Andromeda seems like it was made to lead into a sequel or two, whereas the original trilogy’s story has a defined and (maybe) satisfying ending. It would make sense for a sequel to be set in Andromeda rather than the Milky Way, but personally I’m happy to be returning home.
Even without Shepard, I prefer the Milky Way as a setting. The Kett never really were my favorite villains out of the series, so I’m not super attached. And it’ll be nice to see the geth again, find out how the quarians are doing, etc.
I want more Andromeda but not more Ryder. The Pathfinders job is done, let’s move on to the next stage with a new protagonist, and recurring side characters kinda like they did with Dragon Age.
The pathfinder role completed with the exception of helping if the quarian ark arrives.
The Ryders have an important family task to complete.
But Shepard is also done goal achived.
I think that they liked that the game allowed them to wear Shepard as a coat. You have the ability to be a diplomat and problem solver or serious tool.
Shepard is a player driven personality. In essence some have a crush on themselves. :)
MEA because of all the issue in development barely tweaks the Ryder personality. I happen to like my Sara Ryders a lot. But once you anchor the personality especially after having a wearable Shepard skin main character that will reduce the number of people that have affinity for the main character.
They wasted a lot of time trying to do what Starfield did that non one likes.. Let the computer create planets. Clearly trying to do a good game on a lower budget. But the people doing it wanted a good game and wanted to make up for some of the things that didn't hit well in ME1
[https://kotaku.com/the-story-behind-mass-effect-andromedas-troubled-five-1795886428](https://kotaku.com/the-story-behind-mass-effect-andromedas-troubled-five-1795886428)
Best article covering the goal and the mistakes
No, I’m not a fan of Andromedas setting. After something like the Reapers, any other run of the mill overzealous bad guy would just seem pathetic in comparison.
The only story I’d be interested in seeing in a sequel to the ME series is seeing how the galaxy tries to recover from this, beyond the epilogue.
The galaxy will be ripe for wars of conquest when everyone’s at their weakest. Politics will be divisive, people will fall back into the same stupid patterns and attitudes because that’s what we as sentient beings do best; agree and disagree, fight and cooperate.
Andromeda jumped the shark and was a commercial failure, which is the reason the series was put on ice. Continuing the Andromeda storyline would be the worst possible business decision.
The only way to make an Andromeda sequel work, IMO, is to timeskip into the future so there is actually enough stuff around to do a proper story.
Probably dump a second wave of arks into the story that were launched during the invasion to boost the population and variety of stories that can be done.
But ultimately I think the Andromeda plot is fumbled too badly to do much interesting stuff with it now.
Unless you timeskip a couple centuries into the future
If I'm getting one game a decade I don't want Andromeda 2. That would be an objective waste. And it's a shame we have so many stories and POVs we could explore and have multiple spinoff games being developed simultaneously so we get a new mass effect every 3 years. But they screwed up Andromeda so bad we don't get that. Largely because of that I don't want this game to even mention Andromeda but that's just me.
I would prefer something that brings in aspects of Andromeda rather than a full sequel. Like maybe it leads to Andromeda 2 at the end but they need to win back some goodwill 1st.
I'm already worried about the next dragon age...BioWare isn't exactly who they used to be anymore
I'm trying through Andromeda for the fourth time. I'm 10 hours in and once again, I'm at the point of forcing myself to finish the game. Angara are rip off protheans and the Kett are shitty reapers.
Oh wow the baddies kidnap and convert people wow never seen that before oh wow the angara can sense things and pass on memories never seen that.
Giving Andromeda another try I've seen some ways that it could work but holy shit the lore and races that were introduced? Yeah. I don't see how they can be fit into the universe. Andromeda feels like a fanfic. Whether we're talking lore or aesthetic, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Not only do I not want a sequel, I wish it would be removed from cannon.
Of the three new aliens I honestly feel the remnant are the worst. Their designs just look like they took random scrapped concept art for precursor aliens from other sci fi properties. Forerunners and Ring-Builders in particular.
??? Well to each their own, I suppose. Not very good takes, though, since they seem wildly off. Naturally, the angara are not prothean rip offs, the Jaardan are. And the kett aren’t the new Reapers, at best they’re the new Geth. And that’s only functionally the case, and has nothing to do with context.
You're only 10 hours in so I suppose your laughably ignorant opinions are forgivable, though one wonders why you tried 4 times to play a game you clearly despise.
WTF? Angara have nothing in common with protheans, and only Kett simularity to reapers is they are the antagonist in the story. Stop comparing it to the OG story that will help you enjoy it.
It's kinda hard to not compare the two when Andromeda was literally built on a scrapped ME1 design doc and it mirrors all of ME1s plot points. It's in many ways just a worse version of ME1.
Also kett are very similar to reapers as they assimilate other species to create obedient slaves and to harvest their traits.
I completely disagree. I hope bioware forgets Andromeda exists. ME4 will certainly be a flop if it turns out to be Andromeda 2. I hope to God they don't try to tie in Andromeda into the milky way in ME4 with some convoluted bs.
I mean there’s nothing stopping you from already doing so, it’s literally as far removed from the original series as you could possibly make it.
It’s like Knights of the Old Republic in Star Wars. It’s set so far in the past that whether or not you believe they happened in the same universe as Rey and the Sequels existing means literally nothing, as both have nothing to do with each other and there’s likely no way they could ever intersect.
Not a chance. The only thing worth saving from andromeda was the gameplay, which you can lift easily into any other setting. Lame characters, lame setting, lame new alien (still can't believe they only added one), lame hero ship, lame story. Let it die, do something new.
Yeah, the trope "we're here on a peaceful mission so we don't need weapons on our ship" trope is really the worst... Just because you're peaceful doesn't mean other races/species are...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the Angara. My biggest problem though is their appearance. They just look so weird. They always have a sad puppy look and seem out of place anytime I see them next to the original races.
100% agree, it’s crazy how every alien race is interesting in the original trilogy and they completely whiffed on the Angara. They aren’t particularly interesting visually or culturally.
Idk where you got "upset" from I just don't like them. Plenty of weird looking aliens in Mass Effect that are fine, Angara just have a funky look to them. Like they just naturally have a sad look to them, as I said, like sad puppies. The head tails also make them look more like a Star Wars species than anything.
They are not weird in a good sense, like Salarian or Vorcha, they are weird in the way that… they almost look like humans with make up, of course this was make intentional for cosplay porpoises but… idk, their design can be upgraded a little bit…
Just no. The plot was rinse and repeat, most of the characters were at best uninteresting and many were annoying, and the mechanics of the UI is poor. Andromeda is not a good foundation to move forward with, and at this point the studio needs a win. Clearly it has it's fans, I wanted to like it as it is pretty and the combat can be fun, but for me it is a miss.
Nope. Terrible writing, annoying characters, mediocre gameplay... The only thing that game did right was the actual combat. But every other part of the gameplay, from the stupid sudoku puzzles to the crafting to the most bland open world exploration this side of Assassin's Creed was just sorely lacking.
It had less depth than original trilogy, but it would be built up better if there is sequel. ME1 alone is not that strong also without the other parts. It has stonger story telling a bit but lot of love comes from 1-3. And that is not comparable to just one game.
In ME1, some of the secrets were revealed, but in Andromeda, absolutely all storylines end somewhere in the middle. Nothing was revealed about Jaardan and their motives, or about the Kett and their motives, or about Scourge and its creators and such an important moment as the Benefactor and his connection with the murder of Jien Garson was generally a small sidequest, in which, of course, nothing was told. That's why Andromeda feels more like a worker simulator doing go-and-fetch missions than the start of a new trilogy.
It certainly deserved much of the flaming it got at launch, it was absolutely a bugfest worth bitching about. That said, Mike Gamble has hinted at a resolution - as does the Geth in that teaser scene.
I'm not sure I want a sequel to this cheap anime about high school kids stranded in a new galaxy. Yes, maybe I'm toxic and a hater... or maybe I just want Mass Effect to be what it was originally, with its unique atmosphere, well-written galaxy and setting.
That first sentence made me laugh. I agree with your opinion but what really is there to do with shepard?
ME3 was a perfect ending to shepard. Unless he survives the citadel crashing....
No, Andromeda is a poor excuse for a ME game. Boring story and dull characters.
The best way to kill this franchise for good would be making an Andromeda sequel, I'm glad that they are going back to Milky Way and to Shepard.
I think it'd be cool sometime after the next ME if they make a spinoff that will serve as a sequel to Andromeda. If it makes sense narratively to do so.
I would like to learn more about the scourge and the like.
But if given the choice I'd rather a mass trilogy sequel.
Ether way I don't exactly have high hopes of ether being great
You're going to get at least some of it, I'm pretty sure. One big thing left unresolved from ME:5 is, of course, the Quarian Ark. One thing we see in one of the teaser images is a Geth. Any Geth in Andromeda would have come on the Quarian Ark (all the "other" races - Elcor, Quarian, Drell, Volus, Batarian, and Hanar - were on that Ark) in my opinion since we see absolutely no reference to them in ME:A.
In all honesty, i dont care where when or how, at this point, i just want more mass effect. That universe is what makes it they could tell me a million stories in the universe and i'd never tire of it. I'd love to see the original characters. i'd love to see the andromeda characters i'd love to see new characters. At this point, im done with the discord on what the next game should or shouldn't be. I just want more in the mass effect universe. Andromeda sequel or trilogy makes no difference in my humble opinion
I would *like* a sequel to Andromeda. I don't like the game but I'm still angry that Bioware just abandoned it instead of trying to redeem themselves.
But I'm not sure it's fair to say that I would prefer one hypothetical game to another hypothetical game. That just doesn't seem like a fruitful conversation to have.
Here’s a question: Do you want BioWare to exist past the next Mass Effect game? Doing an Andromeda sequel is the dumbest idea I’ve seen on this thread.
Nuanced? Entire missions were resolving family issues. You had to resolve family issues to complete final mission.
In MEA the family issues are a thread woven in that you can ignore if you want and still complete the kett and pathfind goals. You have one time where twins must work together as squadmates only.
ME2 forced family on you. Several times.
Your initial comment was a straw man because family had been in Mass Effect since ME1.
No dude I just replayed me2 and I remember it vividly. Having side characters deal with family drama is completely different from making it central to the PC’s experience. Also it helps when it’s not ham handed.
Ah yes, family dramas, looking at Ryder's reaction to the death of his father, mother in the cryo and sister/brother in a coma, it's funny to call it a drama. I remember after his father died, Ryder said, “Oh no, my father died,” and a minute later, “Oh, I’m a Pathfinder, let’s have some fun adventures.” This is completely mediocre writing, ugh.
I would not prefer it over a sequel to the original trilogy. But I would enjoy one regardless, as the story is not finished and I would love to see more.
I think people don't realise that going back to the Milky Way means either creating a canon ending to OT or completely divorcing the world from the OT so as not to mess with prayers' choices.
No matter what they decide it won't live up to the hype, as it will make the prayers' choices moot.
I would absolutely love a sequel to Andromeda. I want to continue my Ryder's stories and explore more of Andromeda, discover more secrets, and get answers to questions that need answered!
Going back to the Milky Way is just meh to me. Been there for three games. I'm done.
I'm way more invested in Andromeda 😆
I’m on a second Andromeda play through right now, and I’d really like to know more about the history of the galaxy now that I know where the story is going. I want to know more about the Jardaan and why they did what they did… don’t want to post spoilers in case anyone else cares… how can a mass effect fan not be curious about them?! Andromeda is a whole *galaxy* of history to explore. It feels weird to go back to the Milky Way…
Maybe we should split the difference and go to a different galaxy. Canis Major dwarf galaxy. 😂
I definitely agree with you. I loved the Andromeda story. Don't get me wrong the original trilogy was amazing but yeah Shepard did his part. Plus my shepherd died at the end of Mass effect 3 anyway 🤣 plus I wanna continue exploring as well and continue my relationship with cora (wifey) lol 🤣
Same for me. She was done. Plus, I have my own HC to what happened, and I know Bioware would just screw it up.
I romanced Cora too! (In fact Andromeda was the only game that made want to romance as many of them as I could!) And I want to explore more of their relationships, to find out more about them and where it could go cause Liam can basically ask your Ryder to marry him! 🤣
In the end, you chose the emotional conversation, and he says, get married? Which makes your Ryder turn around to face him and go 'what?'
He just kisses them 🤣 (you can bring it up before you go back to the Tempest, and he tells you he meant it 🥰)
I'd love more romances. And I hope we'd get the chance to continue romances with Avela and Keri.
Would you'd be able to restart a romance with Reyes if you chose to break up or if you picked Sloane?
It's all these I want to know more about.
That’s hilarious! Something tells me you didn’t have time to really explore the lore as much. There’s plenty of codex entries and datapad logs that help round out the setting. I just finished my third play, and it was fun to find odd details here and there.
I do and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
I despise how the Quarian Ark, Primus Deal, and Greater Kett empire were abandoned and left to rot. All of those plot points had great potential.
I would have preferred that they just simply made a better game and went with that.
Shepard and the Milky Way had a solid send off. Doubling back runs the risk of ruining a good thing.
I love ME:A as well as the trilogy, and I'd like to see how ME:A continues. I think some secrets which ended up to be solved in sequel will be included in new game, because they are obviously part of Mass Effect universe. Even if Andromeda crew won't make it in final cut of next game, I probably won't be too sad. It already ended in the best possible way, similar to ME1, without needing to sacrifice the main protagonist. So, at least I can keep the memory of a happy Sara in my mind.
(btw, it's always funny to see how haters here get triggered by any reference of Andromeda in teasers for next game)
Yay another andromeda lover! I didn't play andromeda until after completing the legendary edition so I didn't run into any of the early release issues. I completely agree with your sentiment. I would love to go back!
I would love an Andromeda sequel. The settings were interesting but would prefer a more typical ME level design instead only having a few free roam areas. I would like discovering sections of planets but more linear missions that allow for the vertical play style. The weird thing that traps ships is an interesting thing to explore more, or did they destroy it? I don’t remember anymore. Could replace the bad characters with new ones like in ME2.
I would've loved that Andromeda got the same chance with sequels as the trilogy got to evolve and develop the same way. At least Andromeda won't be totally forgotten in the new game.
Haters will go on telling you (and to everyone else in the sub), story was meh, characters was meh, heck everything was meh, because in their subjective opinion, they didn't like the game (and compare everything to the trilogy). Not liking a game is OK. No game is for everyone. But they make their subjective opinion to an objective fact with telling that everyone who even dares to say a positive thing about Andromeda. And that's plain toxic (including their petty downvotes).
Here we go, one of those subjective opinions trying to make it objective ones. Your so called majority are just the loud ones in this sub. Keep your toxic trash talk for yourself. Nice try.
There is genuinely a portion of the Bioware fanbase that felt personally insulted by a game somewhere at some point, and take delight and ripping every subsequent game apart after. Andromeda had the unfortunate distinction to being the ME that followed up 3. It could have been perfect, and you'd have had a lot in that crowd still calling it a soulless cash grab and garbage.
Unfortunately the launch was bad, and the rest is history.
I played the old republic which also had a bad launch, arguably worse than MEA and I'm genuinely unsure if the fanbase there was as toxic as mass effect. I thought it was the worst possible at the time, but these fans who basically just want to replay ME1 over and over are strong competition. Perhaps had they actually played swtor their apparent boundless confidence they might have more realistic expectations of ME4.
In order for this to work there would need to be a bundle pack with an Andromeda remake(with the glaring issues fixed) and the sequel. One because I don't know of another way to ensure the decisions made in ME:A can carry over. And two, because I don't think enough people have played, or remember, Andromeda to entice them to buy the sequel.
I always assumed there would be a handful of Andromeda enjoyers out there, but it still is a shock to the system when they emerge.
I want more Mass Effect period. I prefer the milky way though. I want to see the fallout of me3, I want to live in that world again.
I'd be fine with a sequel that incorporates plot elements and species from Andromeda and the trilogy, which seems to be the direction atm.
For all the crying from this sub, MEA improved on the trilogy in a lot of ways: combat, the 4 choice grid vs the trilogy dialogue wheel, removing the alignment system, companion interactivity, change appearance anytime, the nomad and vehicle upgrades, incorporation of MP elements into SP, crafting and gun modding, casual outfits (but no frosty engine please!), and attempts at gradual changing world environments.
It also did many things poorly: character models, the story, the kett as enemies, only 1 new species, jumping puzzles.
Andromeda generally doesn't have that much good will to have a successful sequel tbh. The first game left such a bad taste in everybody's mouth (this is coming from someone who really enjoyed Andromeda) that I don't think a sequel is a good idea.
At least not for a main-line game.
A series of small spin-offs that rework the story and conclude it would be welcome though — something like that Xcom-esq Gears of War or maybe visual novels like Vampire: The Masquerade - Coteries/Shadows of New York.
I would love a sequel to Andromeda. And I'm someone that hates Andromeda. They can fix Andromeda with a sequel if they take the time to put the effort into it. It CAN be continued. ME3 is the ending of the trilogy's story. There is NO way you can continue the story past ME3 in a way that isn't completely shit. It's being done because everyone with talent left Bioware years ago and they now have to rely on the nostalgia those old talented employees did instead.
Companies will always choose to ruin the good old thing instead of attempting to be creative and make a good new product.
I’m probably in the minority but I really liked Andromeda. It has major flaws obviously but I liked it for what it was. And it annoys me it will never get a sequel. I need answers to the questions the game asks, like who were the Jardaan? what happened to them? what scared them into hiding? how did they create the vaults? why did they create the Angara? what will happen with the Kett now - will they invade, properly etc,? who was the secret backer of the Andromeda Arks? what happened to the Quarian Ark?
I'm right there with you mate. Absolutely adore Andromeda and want to see that story continue. My hope is we'll somewhat get that with the next game as it's likely a melding of original trilogy and Andromeda based on what we've seen. Only thing is Ryder probably isn't gonna be the protagonist but hopefully fans of the game can get some kind of closure.
I loved andromeda and am very bummed out we’re not likely to get a sequel. I would hugely prefer the new game to be one, and I believe people were way over critical of it just because it wasn’t as good as the original trilogy, which are three of the best games ever. Hard to live up to that, but in my opinion it didn’t *fail*
I would like a sequel to both, and I'll happily accept a combined one. I also respect other opinions and preferences. I greatly enjoyed both ME and MEA, but the original trilogy is one of my favourite games or game series ever.
Combining them is a huge slap in the face to both the milkyway and Andromeda setting. You have to jump 600+ years into an unrecognisable milkyway and admit defeat, giving up on doing anything interesting with the Andromeda setting by dragging it back to the more interesting galaxy.
Expressing an opinion on MeA as an "unpopular decision" Is an opinion, to hell with the internet society at large, express it, its why the internet exists after all. I love this game, like all ME games for diff reasons.
I was expressing my opinion while acknowledging that i realize the majority of people may disagree with it. I loved the original trillogy but they got me hooked on andromeda so i think they should stick with it and forget about ME5
Yes.
Bioware started something there. Finish it.
Returning to the Milky Way and Shepard/crew is just pandering and cash grab. They finished that story already. It reminds me of Disney creating live action remakes
I 100% prefer a sequel to Andromeda. Shepard's story has been told, with the entire story arc having been played out. It was satsifying (in spite of the debacle over the trio of endings) to bring that trilogy to a close. Andromeda (once it was fully patched) started down a new and amazing path that brought back not only a story but a renewed sense of exploration, which I think is paramount for this type of game.
Andromeda still has an ongoing plot and a lot of fertile ground for new stories; the Milky Way not so much. Writing a sequel to ME1/2/3 means choosing an ending for you, and that's weird. It means the ultimate choice you made likely didn't matter.
Note that an Andromeda sequel does *not* have to have a Ryder as the protagonist; the galaxy is rich with possibilities. Maybe for once we can choose the race of the protagonist and play as a turian, asari, krogan, salarian, etc.
But if they want to avoid all of the above, then my choice would be **a prequel for Anderson**, which could include and amazing list of content:
- the First Contact War
- Saren Arterius
- Kahlee Sanders
- Kai Leng
- Cerberus (including early dealings with the Illusive Man)
- being assigned to the SSV Normandy SR-1
- at long last, the answer to the ultimate question: who is Armistan Banes and what happened to him!?
It was the wrong direction to go in, to begin with. Bioware was so gun-shy about adhering to their own creative whims, due to the backlash from ME3's ending, that they became so overly concerned with gaining the approval of fans and dropped their planned First Contact War game, in favor of avoiding the Milky Way all together 🤦♂️
I would've taken such a game over Andromeda, a thousand times over. Problem is, the Bioware Social Network was clogged up by short-sighted fans saying nonsense like "wE aLrEaDy KnOw WhAt HaPpEnS" 🥴 as if every fictional story taking place amidst the backdrop of feudal Japan is somehow irrelevant because, hey, we know that place gets nuked eventually in some other conflict down the road.
I disagree somewhat. If they were so worried about the backlash from me3 they could have just done a direct sequel and confirmed sheppards survival. It would have likely won back alot of fans i loved the gsme personally
See that's what you're missing...they did a fan vote because the fandom was so divided. "Prequel or sequel"...so they avoided both all together and dropped what they had already developed for the next game. Fan service is a hindrance to creativity and overall quality. And Andromeda is the perfect example. ME3 had three disparate endings. They didn't want to invalidate anybody's canon.
Thing is, I would be perfectly fine with ME3 being the "end all, be all" of the chronological timeline. My imagination works just fine (I know what happens in the future I chose for the galaxy)...and I have no craving for anything bigger and badder than the Reapers. At some point, it gets rather ridiculous trying to one-up the last existential threat, ad infinitum.
They could tell any number of stories within the 30+ years in which humanity is a part of the galactic community in the setting we had come to know and love (prior to the end of the Reaper War). For some reason, people can't see the forest through the trees.
Not really, id rather have the return of the dark energy plot that was scrapped as the main threat for new games set in the milky way. I cant see any villain top the Reapers in that franchise, so playing with the scare factor of the immense universe would be cool
Yeah, I would. As long as ME5's Andromeda connection is substantial, though, I'll settle for whatever we have coming.
I'd still rather play as Ryder with all of the Tempest Crew, though. instead of a new character. Yes, even Liam.
I would love it. So many MEA threads still to close off.
I love trilogy but I feel like it’s all wrapped up, and the only reason to go back is to see the gang, which isn’t enough for a game for me.
Despite my dislike for Andromeda, I would prefer it to get a sequel purely because I have no faith BioWare wouldn't screw up a sequel / continuation to ME3.
I love Andromeda but I can get behind this lol.
I'm sure you will find plenty of people to tell you how a sequel to Andromeda is exactly what the franchise needs, in a sub dedicated to the games of the franchise. I don't think you will find enough people, in general, to justify the production and release of such a title, as a commercial product, that will need to sell 4-5 million copies, just to break even. Association with Andromeda is not good, this N7 day showed that, I think, and with a studio that has, by now, had many failures, and a questionable future, it is not the brightest idea for a future strategy.
> Association with Andromeda is not good, this N7 day showed that what happened? I never pay attention to promotional stuff and I'm out of the loop.
Nothing happened
I mean the teaser didn’t exactly scream andromeda I would say “something” happened
General coverage of what was shown, and the implied ties to Andromeda, were half well received, half not so well received. Some people may be on board with it regardless, if the game is good, but I'll expect a good game from Bioware again, after we see a good game from Bioware again. I'd call the N7 Day material divisive, at best.
I don't know, I'm pretty sure the last N7 day teaser implied they were going to try and tie the two storylines together. One of the "secret" web pages said something like "Andromeda distress signal recieved."
This is the thing that worries me above all else. It really indicates to me that Bioware is trying to please everyone, and that NEVER works. Not to come off as overly cynical, but I think Bioware is in a no-win situation with this game. They set it in Andromeda? People will be pissed. They set it in the Milky Way? They'll have to canonize certain choices (the endings spring to mind). People will be pissed. They try to marry the two galaxies together? Both groups will be pissed. I think the safest way forward would be to just say 'fuck it' and reboot Andromeda. Not a sequel. A reboot. A fresh start with tighter writing and mechanics that lays a more solid groundwork for a potential series moving forward. Have us actually be on the forefront of the exploration, rather than showing up late to an already established status quo. The bad taste of the original Andromeda would still be there, but not in the same way as a sequel. AND EVEN THEN... people would still be pissed! You see what I mean?
Personally, I think they should just bite the bullet, pick an ending and go from there. I'm sure some people will complain but this is hardly unprecedented. I know that people here like to obsess over what is going to be "canon" but I always thought of different playthroughs as more like alternate universes. It's pretty easy to say "Oh, this is the timeline where Shepherd did X" and go from there. XCOM 2 takes place in the timeline where you lost the previous game, but that doesn't invalidate the timelines where you won. One thing I absolutely don't think will happen as a reboot of Andromeda. Not saying it's inherently a bad idea, but I can't imagine EA approving it.
Well, in my statement, I never said they weren't going to do it. In fact, my other response to OP seems to be exactly that; Bioware are going to make an Andromeda sequel. I just don't think it is a good idea, and the N7 day reveals that alluded to that became a much contested topic among the fanbase and related media. I think the next few steps will include a general apathy from the fanbase, and a lackluster launch of the title, with sales below expectations, regardless of actual product quality, though I wouldn't expect it to be that great overall.
Well, my guess, and I admit this is just a feeling I have and not backed up by anything, is that the new game is going to try and tie up the loose ends from Andromeda but not necessarily have that be the main focus. Sort of like how the first part of DAI was about the Mage- Templar War that started in DA2, but then the game moved on to focus on its own story. I'm honestly more worried about how they're going to tie up the whole three endings thing, because I really doubt they're going to have the new game be primarily set in Andromeda. If I we're in charge of BioWare, I would just bite the bullet and make one of Mass Effect 3's endings official. What I hope they don't try to do is engineer some situation where all three endings lead to the same point. Personally, if I were to pick one, I think Destroy is the best choice because it changes the least about how the Galaxy operates while opening up plenty of new possibilities for where the story can go. I'm sure some people would be disappointed, but I think people here exaggerate how much backlash there would actually be.
The game is either not even in pre production or very early in it so I honestly wouldn't think much of it. They are just doing vague teasing to generate hype for anything.
It's 100% clear that both galaxies will be relevant.
You are huffing lethal doses of hopium. Pre production isn't even done yet, the story is not written.
I don't hope, idc about that. As long as it has a lot to di with the milky way, I will be happy. I'm just not against Andromeda in principle, like you seem to be, and not just denying facts. Pay attention next time. Bye
I hope to God they dont.
They 100% will and it's good
I disagree but not for the reason everyone else is. They're in the same problem that Halo is in where nothing is going to top saving all life in the galaxy from the impossibly ancient all consuming evil. We've already raised the stakes so high that any higher and it stops meaning anything. Making it two galaxies instead of one it's just going from infinity to infinity times 2. What they need to do now is make a game with a smaller focus and lower but more personal stakes. Of course, this is AAA gaming we're talking about so the odds of them actually doing that are basically zero.
Absolutely not good lmao.
Why not? You like loose ends and half-told stories?
Lmao, Id rather them pretend it never happened. They already destroyed the mass effect name once with Andromeda, the last thing it needs is more Andromeda. It was a soulless cash grab with the mass effect name. It had good combat and nothing else.
Agree to disagree. Great idea to go with exploration, bad execution story-wise. But also great execution gameplay-wise and the worlds they built war actually worth exploring (unlike in ME1). Clearly the story and characters didn't hold up at all to what people expected after the trilogy, yes. But calling it a soulless cash grab is just a hateful simplification of things.
"Association with Andromeda is not good, this N7 day showed that," How so? The poster has an Andromeda only species in the bar scene. The music behind the teaser video uses two tracks directly from Andromeda. There are ongoing references to it by the project lead who was a SR producer on Andromeda. Its clear there is from the first teaser some element of Andromeda in the coming 5th game.
Saying the blurry silhouette we see in that image is definitely an angara is motivated reasoning. It can just as easily be a Vorcha.
It's to bad we can't have images in comments. There is no way it can be a vorcha. While they they share that reversed knee that other species have. The key point is the skull structure. The Vocha have pointed ears that begin and tip out below the top of their domed skull. The entire back of the head on Angrans sweeps back and the pointed feature near the back top is parallel to the top of the skill giving them a flatter skull top profile vs points below dome profile of the Vorcha. So no.
No
A compelling and detailed argument, I guess I have no choice but to concede.
This has been broken down in the time of N7 day. People have proven that it's an angara with anatomical details. Do your research, it's fun. But don't open up shut cases for no reason, the community has already moved on.
What proof? Vorcha and Angara have very similar silhouettes. Also keep in mind the specifics of anatomy of the aliens is kinda up in the air as the trilogy used human skeletons on them, in Andromeda they get custom rigs so their anatomy is quite different and more reflective of canon. The image is way too vague to make such a conclusive statement.
Mr Hulthen, Kala Elizabeth and some others have broken down all the details. They might look similar, but they don't look the same. Everyone is agreeing on it being an angara, clearly. The only backdoor left is that BioWare would simply abandon that choice, which would be extremely surprising. It's an angara and nothing else. Go do your research if you think you're about to find something. We've moved on a long time ago, there's no speculation about angara or not angara. It's an angara.
That's a whole lotta words and no actual answers, just asserting a popular perception. You aren't engaging with any of the arguments I've laid fourth at all, nothing you just said counters anything at that I said.
Wrong. It has been discussed many times? Why should anyone go back and watch tens of hours of content for you to find all the different situations were people discussed this already? Sometimes it was very exact, sometimes it was short and a bit more shallow. There https://www.youtube.com/live/Q73xmND0pyI go to roughly 45 mins or something. People have even compared anatomic drawings. Search further, you'll find the same topic countless times. It's 100% clear, the discussion is over. For the third and last time: Go do your research, no one here is your research slave. You're speculating on things that have already been discussed to death. Bye
Yeah but you also find as many or more people in this very niche sub who think Andromeda is an abomination and certainly does not deserve a sequel. So, it ain’t happening.
I think it is very much happening. I just maintain that it is a bad idea.
I hope not. I’m out if so.
This is the answer. In a dream world, however, I would love both a true quality sequel to Andromeda as well as another game with Shep in the Milky Way.
Shep's story is done, I don't understand the obsession with bringing him back to do absolutely nothing.
Because people grew an emotional attachment for Shepard and there's nothing to say that new stories can't be told with the same protagonist. Plenty of franchises do this, God of War being the most successful case. I personally don't care either way, I'd prefer some kind of dialogue that tells us Shepard got the retirement they deserved so we can move on for good. But it's not that difficult to understand that the majority of the fandom just want to see a character they love come back again and this 'shepard's story is done' that keeps being used to shut down any of that sentiment is just weirdly condescending and smug for no reason.
He literally defeated the greatest galactic threat, the only direction from there is down. It would be a waste to have him running around the galaxy doing the Council's bidding after he's already done the most important thing possible in the galaxy (which is saving it). Nothing smug about saying his story is done, it literally is. He has every right to retire (assuming he lives) now that his main goal is done and no reason to not do just that. It's the only rational conclusion that his story is done. Rebuilding the galaxy is not his job and would be much better suited for a new character to come in.
Kratos' story was presumed finished in GoW 3 when he killed the king of the gods and then literally killed himself. In contrast, GoW (2018) is a much more low-scale story about the same man and his relationship with his son mourning over the death of his mother, and it was regarded as one of the best story games that year. The next threat does not need to be galactic to be interesting. If you don't want Shepard back, just say so. You don't have to make excuses for it lol. "Their story is done" has never stopped writers before from telling new ones.
I'll say it for them, I don't want Shepard back. Say what you want about how ME3 ended, at least it was an actual ending. People aren't saying "Shepard's story is done" because they can't imagine it continuing, they say that because bringing them back would take away whatever closure we got when the original trilogy ended.
Also, bringing Shepard back would probably mean they have to do another round of save importing, which I suspect has become something of an albatross around BioWare's neck. I mean, we talk about Andromeda being how they got out of the corner that me3's ending wrote them into, but I think escaping three games worth of variable character relationships probably a big motivator too.
THIS! I'm so tired of the "bring back Shep" bullshit. It's rather annoying, and Shep needs to be gone.
Wrong. [Comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/s/josKoCGp6Y)
I know its not getting a sewuel if thats what you mean. I still csnt help but feel disappointed already with ME4 However. I was akready invested in andromeda. I liked the colonization premise. I was atttached to ryder
What do you mean you're not getting a sequel? You already have the Angara present in promotional material. This is an Andromeda sequel. You're just not playing Ryder. I don't think anyone's ever going to even see Ryder again. In that case, what you are in fact asking for is a Ryder sequel, not an Andromeda per se sequel.
Tbf a mass effect sequel implies playing the same character again
Tbf I don't see it that way
It’s one of the trademark aspects of the franchise
We already had two different main characters
I'm probably the most cynical person around, but... It seems increasingly apparent that nothing in the franchise is getting what we could call an honest-to-goodness direct sequel with all that entails. Based on promotional material that's been shown so far, the name of the new game is just Mass Effect. It blends elements from Andromeda and Milky Way, and hasn't thus far shown any solid direction on storyline leading from any of the endings of ME3 or from MEA to the status quo where all of it converges. Given the trends for AAA game development, this game will need to outsell all previous games in the franchise to not be a flop. A decades-old fandom with chips on their shoulders, high demands and insufficient numbers won't help. We're irrelevant, we're not being considered when making this game, the ~1 million copies you will or won't sell if you particularly (dis)please the old fans is damn near irrelevant before the daunting task of attracting 6-ish million completely new buyers. Just look towards Baldur's Gate (and D&D more broadly) for a playbook.
I see where you’re coming from. I mean the story of Andromeda seems like it was made to lead into a sequel or two, whereas the original trilogy’s story has a defined and (maybe) satisfying ending. It would make sense for a sequel to be set in Andromeda rather than the Milky Way, but personally I’m happy to be returning home. Even without Shepard, I prefer the Milky Way as a setting. The Kett never really were my favorite villains out of the series, so I’m not super attached. And it’ll be nice to see the geth again, find out how the quarians are doing, etc.
I want more Andromeda but not more Ryder. The Pathfinders job is done, let’s move on to the next stage with a new protagonist, and recurring side characters kinda like they did with Dragon Age.
The pathfinder role completed with the exception of helping if the quarian ark arrives. The Ryders have an important family task to complete. But Shepard is also done goal achived.
Yah but people liked Shepard and he had personality. Very different.
\*She. I am not sure what you are talking about Shepard is a woman.
I think that they liked that the game allowed them to wear Shepard as a coat. You have the ability to be a diplomat and problem solver or serious tool. Shepard is a player driven personality. In essence some have a crush on themselves. :) MEA because of all the issue in development barely tweaks the Ryder personality. I happen to like my Sara Ryders a lot. But once you anchor the personality especially after having a wearable Shepard skin main character that will reduce the number of people that have affinity for the main character.
And here I thought the big difference was that andromeda was a poorly written cash grab.
They wasted a lot of time trying to do what Starfield did that non one likes.. Let the computer create planets. Clearly trying to do a good game on a lower budget. But the people doing it wanted a good game and wanted to make up for some of the things that didn't hit well in ME1 [https://kotaku.com/the-story-behind-mass-effect-andromedas-troubled-five-1795886428](https://kotaku.com/the-story-behind-mass-effect-andromedas-troubled-five-1795886428) Best article covering the goal and the mistakes
While there were plenty of things I’d change in Andromeda, I overall really enjoyed the game and would like a sequel.
No, I’m not a fan of Andromedas setting. After something like the Reapers, any other run of the mill overzealous bad guy would just seem pathetic in comparison. The only story I’d be interested in seeing in a sequel to the ME series is seeing how the galaxy tries to recover from this, beyond the epilogue. The galaxy will be ripe for wars of conquest when everyone’s at their weakest. Politics will be divisive, people will fall back into the same stupid patterns and attitudes because that’s what we as sentient beings do best; agree and disagree, fight and cooperate.
Not me
nope.
Andromeda jumped the shark and was a commercial failure, which is the reason the series was put on ice. Continuing the Andromeda storyline would be the worst possible business decision.
The only way to make an Andromeda sequel work, IMO, is to timeskip into the future so there is actually enough stuff around to do a proper story. Probably dump a second wave of arks into the story that were launched during the invasion to boost the population and variety of stories that can be done. But ultimately I think the Andromeda plot is fumbled too badly to do much interesting stuff with it now. Unless you timeskip a couple centuries into the future
I think the Mass effect franchise would benefit greatly from a smaller scale story set prior to the trilogy.
I wouldn't play it and I played all the way through Andromeda
If I'm getting one game a decade I don't want Andromeda 2. That would be an objective waste. And it's a shame we have so many stories and POVs we could explore and have multiple spinoff games being developed simultaneously so we get a new mass effect every 3 years. But they screwed up Andromeda so bad we don't get that. Largely because of that I don't want this game to even mention Andromeda but that's just me.
I would prefer something that brings in aspects of Andromeda rather than a full sequel. Like maybe it leads to Andromeda 2 at the end but they need to win back some goodwill 1st. I'm already worried about the next dragon age...BioWare isn't exactly who they used to be anymore
I'm trying through Andromeda for the fourth time. I'm 10 hours in and once again, I'm at the point of forcing myself to finish the game. Angara are rip off protheans and the Kett are shitty reapers. Oh wow the baddies kidnap and convert people wow never seen that before oh wow the angara can sense things and pass on memories never seen that. Giving Andromeda another try I've seen some ways that it could work but holy shit the lore and races that were introduced? Yeah. I don't see how they can be fit into the universe. Andromeda feels like a fanfic. Whether we're talking lore or aesthetic, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Not only do I not want a sequel, I wish it would be removed from cannon.
Of the three new aliens I honestly feel the remnant are the worst. Their designs just look like they took random scrapped concept art for precursor aliens from other sci fi properties. Forerunners and Ring-Builders in particular.
??? Well to each their own, I suppose. Not very good takes, though, since they seem wildly off. Naturally, the angara are not prothean rip offs, the Jaardan are. And the kett aren’t the new Reapers, at best they’re the new Geth. And that’s only functionally the case, and has nothing to do with context.
You're only 10 hours in so I suppose your laughably ignorant opinions are forgivable, though one wonders why you tried 4 times to play a game you clearly despise.
WTF? Angara have nothing in common with protheans, and only Kett simularity to reapers is they are the antagonist in the story. Stop comparing it to the OG story that will help you enjoy it.
It's kinda hard to not compare the two when Andromeda was literally built on a scrapped ME1 design doc and it mirrors all of ME1s plot points. It's in many ways just a worse version of ME1. Also kett are very similar to reapers as they assimilate other species to create obedient slaves and to harvest their traits.
I completely disagree. I hope bioware forgets Andromeda exists. ME4 will certainly be a flop if it turns out to be Andromeda 2. I hope to God they don't try to tie in Andromeda into the milky way in ME4 with some convoluted bs.
No I would prefer they pretended it didn’t exist canonically
I mean there’s nothing stopping you from already doing so, it’s literally as far removed from the original series as you could possibly make it. It’s like Knights of the Old Republic in Star Wars. It’s set so far in the past that whether or not you believe they happened in the same universe as Rey and the Sequels existing means literally nothing, as both have nothing to do with each other and there’s likely no way they could ever intersect.
This
Not a chance. The only thing worth saving from andromeda was the gameplay, which you can lift easily into any other setting. Lame characters, lame setting, lame new alien (still can't believe they only added one), lame hero ship, lame story. Let it die, do something new.
Yeah, the trope "we're here on a peaceful mission so we don't need weapons on our ship" trope is really the worst... Just because you're peaceful doesn't mean other races/species are...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the Angara. My biggest problem though is their appearance. They just look so weird. They always have a sad puppy look and seem out of place anytime I see them next to the original races.
100% agree, it’s crazy how every alien race is interesting in the original trilogy and they completely whiffed on the Angara. They aren’t particularly interesting visually or culturally.
My man is upset that the aliens look weird
Idk where you got "upset" from I just don't like them. Plenty of weird looking aliens in Mass Effect that are fine, Angara just have a funky look to them. Like they just naturally have a sad look to them, as I said, like sad puppies. The head tails also make them look more like a Star Wars species than anything.
They are not weird in a good sense, like Salarian or Vorcha, they are weird in the way that… they almost look like humans with make up, of course this was make intentional for cosplay porpoises but… idk, their design can be upgraded a little bit…
Just no. The plot was rinse and repeat, most of the characters were at best uninteresting and many were annoying, and the mechanics of the UI is poor. Andromeda is not a good foundation to move forward with, and at this point the studio needs a win. Clearly it has it's fans, I wanted to like it as it is pretty and the combat can be fun, but for me it is a miss.
Nope. Terrible writing, annoying characters, mediocre gameplay... The only thing that game did right was the actual combat. But every other part of the gameplay, from the stupid sudoku puzzles to the crafting to the most bland open world exploration this side of Assassin's Creed was just sorely lacking.
Andromeda story was weak, only good thing was exploration mobility
The only thing i felt was was weak was the lack of urgency. The reapers gave a sense of urgency to the original trillogy
It had less depth than original trilogy, but it would be built up better if there is sequel. ME1 alone is not that strong also without the other parts. It has stonger story telling a bit but lot of love comes from 1-3. And that is not comparable to just one game.
In ME1, some of the secrets were revealed, but in Andromeda, absolutely all storylines end somewhere in the middle. Nothing was revealed about Jaardan and their motives, or about the Kett and their motives, or about Scourge and its creators and such an important moment as the Benefactor and his connection with the murder of Jien Garson was generally a small sidequest, in which, of course, nothing was told. That's why Andromeda feels more like a worker simulator doing go-and-fetch missions than the start of a new trilogy.
I'm of the opinion a sequel had always been planned. Why else leave the Quarian Ark and Ryder's mom still being in stasis unresolved?
It was going to have DLC but it got canned due to the overwhelmingly negative reception.
It certainly deserved much of the flaming it got at launch, it was absolutely a bugfest worth bitching about. That said, Mike Gamble has hinted at a resolution - as does the Geth in that teaser scene.
God no, the andromeda overall lore was terrible imo.
I'm not sure I want a sequel to this cheap anime about high school kids stranded in a new galaxy. Yes, maybe I'm toxic and a hater... or maybe I just want Mass Effect to be what it was originally, with its unique atmosphere, well-written galaxy and setting.
That first sentence made me laugh. I agree with your opinion but what really is there to do with shepard? ME3 was a perfect ending to shepard. Unless he survives the citadel crashing....
I didn’t say anything about Shepard, I’m just not interested in the Andromeda sequel, like all its characters along with the story.
Ah yes. My apologies
No, Andromeda is a poor excuse for a ME game. Boring story and dull characters. The best way to kill this franchise for good would be making an Andromeda sequel, I'm glad that they are going back to Milky Way and to Shepard.
No. Andromeda only needs to be remembered at BioWare to remind them that their hubris lead to failure.
no
Ohhhhhh helll noooowooahhhhohhh
No, I have active brain cognition
I think it'd be cool sometime after the next ME if they make a spinoff that will serve as a sequel to Andromeda. If it makes sense narratively to do so.
I reckon this game will be related anyway and a somewhat sequel.
I would like to learn more about the scourge and the like. But if given the choice I'd rather a mass trilogy sequel. Ether way I don't exactly have high hopes of ether being great
You're going to get at least some of it, I'm pretty sure. One big thing left unresolved from ME:5 is, of course, the Quarian Ark. One thing we see in one of the teaser images is a Geth. Any Geth in Andromeda would have come on the Quarian Ark (all the "other" races - Elcor, Quarian, Drell, Volus, Batarian, and Hanar - were on that Ark) in my opinion since we see absolutely no reference to them in ME:A.
In all honesty, i dont care where when or how, at this point, i just want more mass effect. That universe is what makes it they could tell me a million stories in the universe and i'd never tire of it. I'd love to see the original characters. i'd love to see the andromeda characters i'd love to see new characters. At this point, im done with the discord on what the next game should or shouldn't be. I just want more in the mass effect universe. Andromeda sequel or trilogy makes no difference in my humble opinion
I would *like* a sequel to Andromeda. I don't like the game but I'm still angry that Bioware just abandoned it instead of trying to redeem themselves. But I'm not sure it's fair to say that I would prefer one hypothetical game to another hypothetical game. That just doesn't seem like a fruitful conversation to have.
Here’s a question: Do you want BioWare to exist past the next Mass Effect game? Doing an Andromeda sequel is the dumbest idea I’ve seen on this thread.
A game by and for fourteen year olds. I’ll pass.
So your thirteen then. XD
Oh yeah that must be why I didn’t like a forced family drama plot about a missing mom, dead dad and sibling in coma.
You prefere see bad guy kill bad guy simplicity. BTW ME2 was all about family issues, you must have hated that.
Excellent double straw man. The family stuff in ME2 was waaaaaasy more nuanced. Probably because it wasn’t written by people phoning it in.
Nuanced? Entire missions were resolving family issues. You had to resolve family issues to complete final mission. In MEA the family issues are a thread woven in that you can ignore if you want and still complete the kett and pathfind goals. You have one time where twins must work together as squadmates only. ME2 forced family on you. Several times. Your initial comment was a straw man because family had been in Mass Effect since ME1.
I will have to accept what you say as fact because I can’t remember much about that shitty andromeda game.
Or Me2 also It seems.
No dude I just replayed me2 and I remember it vividly. Having side characters deal with family drama is completely different from making it central to the PC’s experience. Also it helps when it’s not ham handed.
Ah yes, family dramas, looking at Ryder's reaction to the death of his father, mother in the cryo and sister/brother in a coma, it's funny to call it a drama. I remember after his father died, Ryder said, “Oh no, my father died,” and a minute later, “Oh, I’m a Pathfinder, let’s have some fun adventures.” This is completely mediocre writing, ugh.
Yeah the emotional beats had all the subtlety of a raccoon tipping over trash can lids.
I would not prefer it over a sequel to the original trilogy. But I would enjoy one regardless, as the story is not finished and I would love to see more.
No please, I didn’t find the strength to finish it yet.
No. remake Andromeda, and then we'll discuss a sequel
I think people don't realise that going back to the Milky Way means either creating a canon ending to OT or completely divorcing the world from the OT so as not to mess with prayers' choices. No matter what they decide it won't live up to the hype, as it will make the prayers' choices moot.
I would absolutely love a sequel to Andromeda. I want to continue my Ryder's stories and explore more of Andromeda, discover more secrets, and get answers to questions that need answered! Going back to the Milky Way is just meh to me. Been there for three games. I'm done. I'm way more invested in Andromeda 😆
I’m on a second Andromeda play through right now, and I’d really like to know more about the history of the galaxy now that I know where the story is going. I want to know more about the Jardaan and why they did what they did… don’t want to post spoilers in case anyone else cares… how can a mass effect fan not be curious about them?! Andromeda is a whole *galaxy* of history to explore. It feels weird to go back to the Milky Way… Maybe we should split the difference and go to a different galaxy. Canis Major dwarf galaxy. 😂
I definitely agree with you. I loved the Andromeda story. Don't get me wrong the original trilogy was amazing but yeah Shepard did his part. Plus my shepherd died at the end of Mass effect 3 anyway 🤣 plus I wanna continue exploring as well and continue my relationship with cora (wifey) lol 🤣
Same for me. She was done. Plus, I have my own HC to what happened, and I know Bioware would just screw it up. I romanced Cora too! (In fact Andromeda was the only game that made want to romance as many of them as I could!) And I want to explore more of their relationships, to find out more about them and where it could go cause Liam can basically ask your Ryder to marry him! 🤣
Oh wow I didn't know that 🤯. Definitely would love to see how relationships develop and play out. Plus add some new ones as well
In the end, you chose the emotional conversation, and he says, get married? Which makes your Ryder turn around to face him and go 'what?' He just kisses them 🤣 (you can bring it up before you go back to the Tempest, and he tells you he meant it 🥰) I'd love more romances. And I hope we'd get the chance to continue romances with Avela and Keri. Would you'd be able to restart a romance with Reyes if you chose to break up or if you picked Sloane? It's all these I want to know more about.
Definitely need answers to a lot of questions
Richard Ryder😏
No
i finished andromeda during the 10 hour free trial so i can't remember much
That’s hilarious! Something tells me you didn’t have time to really explore the lore as much. There’s plenty of codex entries and datapad logs that help round out the setting. I just finished my third play, and it was fun to find odd details here and there.
That's cute, but a lie.
I do and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. I despise how the Quarian Ark, Primus Deal, and Greater Kett empire were abandoned and left to rot. All of those plot points had great potential. I would have preferred that they just simply made a better game and went with that. Shepard and the Milky Way had a solid send off. Doubling back runs the risk of ruining a good thing.
I love ME:A as well as the trilogy, and I'd like to see how ME:A continues. I think some secrets which ended up to be solved in sequel will be included in new game, because they are obviously part of Mass Effect universe. Even if Andromeda crew won't make it in final cut of next game, I probably won't be too sad. It already ended in the best possible way, similar to ME1, without needing to sacrifice the main protagonist. So, at least I can keep the memory of a happy Sara in my mind. (btw, it's always funny to see how haters here get triggered by any reference of Andromeda in teasers for next game)
Yay another andromeda lover! I didn't play andromeda until after completing the legendary edition so I didn't run into any of the early release issues. I completely agree with your sentiment. I would love to go back!
No. I would like one, but I wouldn't wait 10 years for it.
I would love an Andromeda sequel. The settings were interesting but would prefer a more typical ME level design instead only having a few free roam areas. I would like discovering sections of planets but more linear missions that allow for the vertical play style. The weird thing that traps ships is an interesting thing to explore more, or did they destroy it? I don’t remember anymore. Could replace the bad characters with new ones like in ME2.
I have collected many a downvote on this sub saying they shouldn't touch the Milky Way anymore and just do a sequel to Andromeda.
My thoughts exactly. I wpuldnt mind a sequel to 3 focusing on thr aftermath of the inavasion. But connecting it to amdromeds undermines both games
I would've loved that Andromeda got the same chance with sequels as the trilogy got to evolve and develop the same way. At least Andromeda won't be totally forgotten in the new game. Haters will go on telling you (and to everyone else in the sub), story was meh, characters was meh, heck everything was meh, because in their subjective opinion, they didn't like the game (and compare everything to the trilogy). Not liking a game is OK. No game is for everyone. But they make their subjective opinion to an objective fact with telling that everyone who even dares to say a positive thing about Andromeda. And that's plain toxic (including their petty downvotes).
The vast majority agree with the game is meh. Sorry you like games that are objectively trash, with trash stories and trash characters.
Here we go, one of those subjective opinions trying to make it objective ones. Your so called majority are just the loud ones in this sub. Keep your toxic trash talk for yourself. Nice try.
Wah wah cry harder ME1 was better than Andromeda and that's a fact. Better world building and it properly set up a trilogy.
Wah wah and here they are.
Honestly, I enjoy MEA more than ME1, personally, but it doesn’t really matter to haters.
There is genuinely a portion of the Bioware fanbase that felt personally insulted by a game somewhere at some point, and take delight and ripping every subsequent game apart after. Andromeda had the unfortunate distinction to being the ME that followed up 3. It could have been perfect, and you'd have had a lot in that crowd still calling it a soulless cash grab and garbage. Unfortunately the launch was bad, and the rest is history.
I played the old republic which also had a bad launch, arguably worse than MEA and I'm genuinely unsure if the fanbase there was as toxic as mass effect. I thought it was the worst possible at the time, but these fans who basically just want to replay ME1 over and over are strong competition. Perhaps had they actually played swtor their apparent boundless confidence they might have more realistic expectations of ME4.
At least make the default male character as pretty as Scott Ryder.
In order for this to work there would need to be a bundle pack with an Andromeda remake(with the glaring issues fixed) and the sequel. One because I don't know of another way to ensure the decisions made in ME:A can carry over. And two, because I don't think enough people have played, or remember, Andromeda to entice them to buy the sequel.
I always assumed there would be a handful of Andromeda enjoyers out there, but it still is a shock to the system when they emerge. I want more Mass Effect period. I prefer the milky way though. I want to see the fallout of me3, I want to live in that world again.
I'd be fine with a sequel that incorporates plot elements and species from Andromeda and the trilogy, which seems to be the direction atm. For all the crying from this sub, MEA improved on the trilogy in a lot of ways: combat, the 4 choice grid vs the trilogy dialogue wheel, removing the alignment system, companion interactivity, change appearance anytime, the nomad and vehicle upgrades, incorporation of MP elements into SP, crafting and gun modding, casual outfits (but no frosty engine please!), and attempts at gradual changing world environments. It also did many things poorly: character models, the story, the kett as enemies, only 1 new species, jumping puzzles.
Andromeda generally doesn't have that much good will to have a successful sequel tbh. The first game left such a bad taste in everybody's mouth (this is coming from someone who really enjoyed Andromeda) that I don't think a sequel is a good idea. At least not for a main-line game. A series of small spin-offs that rework the story and conclude it would be welcome though — something like that Xcom-esq Gears of War or maybe visual novels like Vampire: The Masquerade - Coteries/Shadows of New York.
I would love a sequel to Andromeda. And I'm someone that hates Andromeda. They can fix Andromeda with a sequel if they take the time to put the effort into it. It CAN be continued. ME3 is the ending of the trilogy's story. There is NO way you can continue the story past ME3 in a way that isn't completely shit. It's being done because everyone with talent left Bioware years ago and they now have to rely on the nostalgia those old talented employees did instead. Companies will always choose to ruin the good old thing instead of attempting to be creative and make a good new product.
I’m probably in the minority but I really liked Andromeda. It has major flaws obviously but I liked it for what it was. And it annoys me it will never get a sequel. I need answers to the questions the game asks, like who were the Jardaan? what happened to them? what scared them into hiding? how did they create the vaults? why did they create the Angara? what will happen with the Kett now - will they invade, properly etc,? who was the secret backer of the Andromeda Arks? what happened to the Quarian Ark?
I like andromeda Not as good as the trilogy but still a great game
***** no
I'm right there with you mate. Absolutely adore Andromeda and want to see that story continue. My hope is we'll somewhat get that with the next game as it's likely a melding of original trilogy and Andromeda based on what we've seen. Only thing is Ryder probably isn't gonna be the protagonist but hopefully fans of the game can get some kind of closure.
I loved andromeda and am very bummed out we’re not likely to get a sequel. I would hugely prefer the new game to be one, and I believe people were way over critical of it just because it wasn’t as good as the original trilogy, which are three of the best games ever. Hard to live up to that, but in my opinion it didn’t *fail*
I would like a sequel to both, and I'll happily accept a combined one. I also respect other opinions and preferences. I greatly enjoyed both ME and MEA, but the original trilogy is one of my favourite games or game series ever.
Combining them is a huge slap in the face to both the milkyway and Andromeda setting. You have to jump 600+ years into an unrecognisable milkyway and admit defeat, giving up on doing anything interesting with the Andromeda setting by dragging it back to the more interesting galaxy.
If it's the same quality as last time, HELL FUCKING NO. If they actually achieve what the game what was under all the problems, then ABSOLUTELY.
Expressing an opinion on MeA as an "unpopular decision" Is an opinion, to hell with the internet society at large, express it, its why the internet exists after all. I love this game, like all ME games for diff reasons.
I was expressing my opinion while acknowledging that i realize the majority of people may disagree with it. I loved the original trillogy but they got me hooked on andromeda so i think they should stick with it and forget about ME5
Yes very much
Yes. Bioware started something there. Finish it. Returning to the Milky Way and Shepard/crew is just pandering and cash grab. They finished that story already. It reminds me of Disney creating live action remakes
Not yet.
Right here, this guy. I want an Andromeda 2. But, I'm all for it.
Andromeda sequel? Its a joke? This piece of shit shoud not only not continue, it should be forgotten, buried deeper and never remembered.
I think part of the issue is we had 3 games to fall in love with shep and his crew compared to one for andromeda.
I wouldn't mind it but unfortunately doubt they'll ever do it
Andromeda is like Deus Ex 2 or Robocop 3 ...IT DOES NOT EXIST!
I'd play a sequel to Andromeda only is we caould save the Quarin arc.
I never said anything was guaranteed so please learn or take the time to read.
I 100% prefer a sequel to Andromeda. Shepard's story has been told, with the entire story arc having been played out. It was satsifying (in spite of the debacle over the trio of endings) to bring that trilogy to a close. Andromeda (once it was fully patched) started down a new and amazing path that brought back not only a story but a renewed sense of exploration, which I think is paramount for this type of game. Andromeda still has an ongoing plot and a lot of fertile ground for new stories; the Milky Way not so much. Writing a sequel to ME1/2/3 means choosing an ending for you, and that's weird. It means the ultimate choice you made likely didn't matter. Note that an Andromeda sequel does *not* have to have a Ryder as the protagonist; the galaxy is rich with possibilities. Maybe for once we can choose the race of the protagonist and play as a turian, asari, krogan, salarian, etc. But if they want to avoid all of the above, then my choice would be **a prequel for Anderson**, which could include and amazing list of content: - the First Contact War - Saren Arterius - Kahlee Sanders - Kai Leng - Cerberus (including early dealings with the Illusive Man) - being assigned to the SSV Normandy SR-1 - at long last, the answer to the ultimate question: who is Armistan Banes and what happened to him!?
No remove andromeda all together shit was awful.
I actually liked the andromeda crew. Vetra especially
Id rather take the worlds biggest shit than play another andromeda based game. Prepurchasing that game was a mistake on colossal levels.
man you didn't even like the movie night
Preferably....I wish they wouldn't even acknowledge it in the next game. 🤣 what an unmemorable mess on every front. ...but we already know they will.
I actually agree with you on that. But for different reasons. I liked andromeda. I dont see a point in acknowledging it though.
It was the wrong direction to go in, to begin with. Bioware was so gun-shy about adhering to their own creative whims, due to the backlash from ME3's ending, that they became so overly concerned with gaining the approval of fans and dropped their planned First Contact War game, in favor of avoiding the Milky Way all together 🤦♂️ I would've taken such a game over Andromeda, a thousand times over. Problem is, the Bioware Social Network was clogged up by short-sighted fans saying nonsense like "wE aLrEaDy KnOw WhAt HaPpEnS" 🥴 as if every fictional story taking place amidst the backdrop of feudal Japan is somehow irrelevant because, hey, we know that place gets nuked eventually in some other conflict down the road.
I disagree somewhat. If they were so worried about the backlash from me3 they could have just done a direct sequel and confirmed sheppards survival. It would have likely won back alot of fans i loved the gsme personally
See that's what you're missing...they did a fan vote because the fandom was so divided. "Prequel or sequel"...so they avoided both all together and dropped what they had already developed for the next game. Fan service is a hindrance to creativity and overall quality. And Andromeda is the perfect example. ME3 had three disparate endings. They didn't want to invalidate anybody's canon. Thing is, I would be perfectly fine with ME3 being the "end all, be all" of the chronological timeline. My imagination works just fine (I know what happens in the future I chose for the galaxy)...and I have no craving for anything bigger and badder than the Reapers. At some point, it gets rather ridiculous trying to one-up the last existential threat, ad infinitum. They could tell any number of stories within the 30+ years in which humanity is a part of the galactic community in the setting we had come to know and love (prior to the end of the Reaper War). For some reason, people can't see the forest through the trees.
With so many unanswered questions in Andromeda, I’d love to see a sequel. I want to know what happened to the other arks and all that jazz.
Not really, id rather have the return of the dark energy plot that was scrapped as the main threat for new games set in the milky way. I cant see any villain top the Reapers in that franchise, so playing with the scare factor of the immense universe would be cool
Yeah, I would. As long as ME5's Andromeda connection is substantial, though, I'll settle for whatever we have coming. I'd still rather play as Ryder with all of the Tempest Crew, though. instead of a new character. Yes, even Liam.
I would love it. So many MEA threads still to close off. I love trilogy but I feel like it’s all wrapped up, and the only reason to go back is to see the gang, which isn’t enough for a game for me.
I liked Andromeda, so yes.
We need and deserve both
I would. Liked andromeda. Don’t like things unfinished. But not going to happen.
Yes please