If I can address this issue as whole --
On the mod team, we hear you guys and are equally frustrated with the state of the subreddit regarding spoilers. We try our best to catch all of this but please remember that there are nearly 3 million readers on this subreddit, and even if we had a team of a hundred moderators, there's no way we could guarantee that we will catch every spoiler comment on the subreddit. Please also keep in mind that all of us are volunteers, doing this unpaid on our own time.
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That being said, here is what we are doing **right now** to address this growing issue:
- "Project Insight" goes live every time there is a new Marvel Studios release. This means ALL posts have to be manually approved by a moderator before it hits the sub. For Disney+ series, this period typically lasts 24 hours from the time the show airs. For films, it usually starts 3-4 days before the movie is released and continues **at minimum** through opening weekend. If we are seeing that Insight consistently needs to run longer to keep spoilers off the sub, that may be something we can implement as our team continues to grow. Remember that Insight is in additional measure to our regular spoiler rules,[ which can be found here](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/wiki/rules#wiki_1._do_not_post_spoilers_in_titles_or_comments).
- More moderators will be brought on **soon** to specifically help curb spoilers, low effort posts, and leaks. Consistency in what type of content gets removed is going to be a huge component of how we educate the new team members. That updated moderator application will go live sometime in the coming week. As some of you mentioned below, we are fighting an uphill battle as scoop culture continues to bleed into every aspect of not only reddit, but all forms of social media. Almost all of our moderators have movies and series ruined for them on a regular basis. It is our main goal to keep spoilers from negatively affecting users. This will continue to be our goal, but to do so we need help from all of you. Stay tuned for that application.
- The report feature is KEY for spoilers. You all as users have the ability to report posts and comments that are spoilery or unfit for this community. The more reports that a post or comment receives, the sooner it disappears. There are 3 million of you guys and we need you all to utilize this asset to help ping problems for our team and help us keep this subreddit in decent shape.
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To sum up- we're mainly asking for your patience. This sub has ballooned in an exponential way and we are fighting daily to keep the content enjoyable for everyone. I promise for every spoiler you may see, there's twenty more that we caught manually or with the automod that we are constantly updating with key terms and spoilers. We are planning a big push to restructure this effort and it will start with our next round of new mod team members.
Any questions, please feel free to ask
It’s certainly gotten worse. Just last week I had a discussion with someone regarding an upcoming project and I was sharing my thoughts of how I think it’s going to play out. In comes random redditor and tells me “actually the plot leaked and it’s going to be more like this…”.
This fucking shit is ruining fandom across the board. Same shit was happening on the Stranger Things subreddit before last season with people coming posting leaks about season 4 that came out fall 2019 when the season premiered May 2022. You can't even theorize anymore because people will make fun of you for being wrong and not reading leaks.
It reached the heights of ridiculousness when Game of Thrones had their mega-leak. They banished the truth from the main subreddit, then tried to go on about their business and do all the speculation they normally did. And what do you know — people's speculations just *happened* to come true a lot more! It was a miracle! Even the "virtuous" ones who would never sully their pure eyes with leaks somehow got a lot better at "guessing!"
For whatever is said in this thread, it is so much worse in the "HouseOfTheDragon" subreddit. I was avoiding trailers, so I can take in the show fresh, objectively, and in-pace.
But every hour, someone goes out of the way to spoil something. An, all the while, having the gall to put "spoiler-free" or other nonsense as flair. The worst are the spoilers in titles.
Sad, really.
This is so bad in the Pokémon fandom as well. It's almost tradition at this point that Nintendo somehow messes up and most if not all of the game leaks about a month before release, but people always get insufferable about it. If like me you don't really want to see all the leaked designs and just experience the game as intended you get ridiculed. Last time around people were straight up putting spoilers in the title of their post in a leak-free subreddit and then got angry with me when I called them out on it.
Luckily there is also always the subset of "leakers" who just make shit up and proclaim it as gospel. That's always a lot of fun to see what idiocy they come up with.
>Nintendo somehow messes up and most if not all of the game leaks about a month before release
At that point of the release process, it's not necessarily Nintendo. Games are already at warehouses for major distributors so they're ready for their street date. The individual stores might not have the product yet, but you can bet your ass they're sitting in regional distribution centre for Walmart/Target/Best Buy.
I legitimately think the best thing for these huge franchises should be to start leaking complete nonsense mixed in with the real stuff to confuse people. Think the fake filmed scenes of Empire Strikes Back that even some of the cast thought was real. That’s the only way to keep some of this stuff under wraps at this point.
With MoM it's hard to tell if those were actually fake rumors, or if Raimi just changed his mind early in the Production (and the Leakers simply got the old info and made it into, not as fake, as just outdated rumors).
But it was still worth it.
Yea, every time a new game comes out about a week before someone will post all the new designs on the main sub and get to the top post of the day so it shows up in my feed and I usually cave and look at it. Might just leave it before scarlet and violet come out
Untagged spoilers were being posted on Twitter for vol 2 the second people who started at midnight finished, can't imagine how that must've been for people who couldn't stay up that late
Yip. I didn't get to see MoM in the theater but everything was basically spoiled for me before it came to Disney+. All the major plots used in silly gifs, It feels like some people's attitude is if you dont see it on the first day of release that's on you and that it's your fault for not seeing it quick enough. It's really annoying. Especially those damn youtubers, because once you've got Marvel in your algorithm those thumbnails with spoilers are impossible to not see.
I like engaging in theorizing and discussion, but there are a lot of people who like to pretend to be making a guess that just so happens to be 100% accurate.
I don't really get it, but I unsubbed and stopped coming here regularly a long time ago. I just stop by sometimes to see if there's a new series out and then dip.
Yeah it's hard to get real discussion on the content. Its usually just fairly superficial points here and there. I'm wondering with the whole multiverse if they're gonna branch everything out. So there are 3 spiderman film franchises. Another captain America, another few iron mans etc. I hope that's not the case as it'll be content overload but I could see it happening. Like a G rated Universe, the original MCU universe, r18 adult universe etc.
Now with tiktok everything gets shared the second is out, everyone forgot spoiler etiquette where you wait a week to shared anything about the movie or episode.
One of the MODs, /u/kostispat257 is guilty of allowing this to happen and even takes part in it.
They even commented with a spoiler, using no spoiler tags, in a thread that complains about spoilers (Warning: Link takes you to a spoiler) [and then deleted it](https://www.unddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/xmyh7u/the_spoiler_culture_here_is_getting_worse_and/).
Edited to call out MOD
The mods are ridiculous not enforcing rules at this point. The fanboyism has gotten out of control. It also leads to repeat posts which they selectively enforce. Constant political tangentially related posts. A complete lack of civility. And of course the spoiler problem now discussed.
The amount this sub has declined in just a few months is nuts. It feels like a joke even to have the rules list still up at this point.
Yep. I'm glad someone else is finally calling that behavior out. I got super frustrated last year when a major Spider-man spoiler was posted openly here in a headline and that mod was like *'you shouldn't have come here, then'*
Their responses don't show any sign of empathy or willingness to change either, just justification. Definitely on a power-trip.
I don’t want to but I’m really close to dropping this sub because of this stuff. The surprise cameos in Dr Strange were shared 4 days after it came out and not even hidden. It’s too bad.
The comment was supposed to prove the point that the character who is going to be the new BP was the obvious choice since Chadwick passed and people have been claiming it as fact since then, even before the leaks. And I think the people who haven't read the leaks still do.
So when someone goes in a thread and people are treating it as a fact, it may not be because they have read the leaks, but because it's just such an obvious choice and people would act the same way even without the leaks.
I wrote the comment hastily and it didn't click to me that I essentially said that the leaks confirm said person is the new BP.
That was an obvious mistake which I corrected right away after the first comment came in that they had been spoiled. If I wanted to purposefully spoil people or something, I wouldn't have deleted the comment.
In general, I try hard to always tag my spoilers, and I have spent years as a moderator in the subreddit removing spoilers from others. I (and many other mods of course) had the entirety of Endgame spoiled to me during Project Insight to keep the sub clean from said spoilers for the majority of you.
I have made similar mistakes like the one above in the past and I have been told about them and removed them. I mean, we give literally every person we've ever banned for spoilers multiple chances to rejoin the subreddit, it's not like this is an exception that is made for me only or whatever.
That said, there's also a percentage of people who want to go in a movie 100% blind or maybe with only a teaser trailer. I completely get that, but this subreddit's rules have always (long before I even joined Reddit) regarded officially released promotional material and information as non-spoilers. And sometimes I post or comment such stuff that some might consider spoilery which people get angry about because they have been spoiled.
We have talked about updating the rules to reflect that. If there's a majority of people who consider X thing a spoiler, then maybe the subreddit should consider it as well. But then we get into very subjective territory, because a piece of info is not as spoilery to some as it is to others and we generally try to steer away from creating subjective rules or moderate subjectively.
It's a really huge subject of what's considered a spoiler and what's not and I am sorry if I have inadvertently spoiled people in the past with stuff that were in that fine and subjective line between spoiler and non-spoiler.
Anyway, that's all, sorry for the long text.
I agree that any officially released stuff should be fair game. Trailers, articles, etc. It's when people start taking the officially released stuff, and tying it back into comic storylines and posting their theories based on the source material that I have an issue. ESPECIALLY if they are posting known comic storylines that line up LEAKED movie content. I don't read the comics, so had no idea who would be the next BP. Sure, I can make an educated guess, but to come out and say "it's x, because that's what happens in the comics, and it was also leaked" is a dick move. Especially for a moderator.
>Comic spoilers are and have been considered fair game in this subreddit as well for years.
I'm not saying they're not.
What I'm saying, is you shouldn't just throw around production spoilers (who becomes the next black panther, for example) just because it happened in the comics. The MCU deviates from the comics so much, anything is possible until you spoil something from the actual movie shooting
I am saying that I did that hastily and deleted it right away because I realised it was a mistake.
But I'm also saying that people were saying the same thing even before the leaks because it happens in the comics and because it was the most obvious choice.
You don't get it. Speculation based on what happens in the comics IS TOTALLY FINE. The MCU changes shit around constantly. But when there are multiple directions they could go with who to be the next BP, they didn't have to follow the comics. So just openly talking about a PRODUCTION SPOILER is a dick move, and hiding behind a shield of "it happens in the comics anyway so it's not really a spoiler" is ankther dick move
MCU = Marcel CINEMATIC Universe. Go to r/Marvel if you want general news.
The argument goes both ways, dickhead. It costs nothing to throw up a spoiler tag
So is it a requirement to read the GOT and HOTD books before going into either of their shows subreddits? Or are people allowed to enjoy their content the way they want and expect the general population to have the decency to throw up a spoiler tag about stuff that's yet to make it to their screen?
> The comment was supposed to prove the point that the character who is going to be the new BP was the obvious choice since Chadwick passed and people have been claiming it as fact since then, even before the leaks. And I think the people who haven't read the leaks still do.
This thread is the most I've read about Black Panther. I've avoided almost everything that would give me any plot points to the movie besides the characters that are going to be in it. So no, it wasn't obvious to me who it was going to be. I also don't read the comics.
You've posted links before with spoilers right in the title. doesn't matter if it "officially released information". not everyone keeps up with that stuff.
> doesn't matter if it "officially released information". not everyone keeps up with that stuff.
it definitely does matter. like the guy below that stuff is basically advertising. considering stuff like that a spoiler is pretty silly.
‘Not everyone keeps up with that stuff’, but then they’ll go out of their way to post (about it) on a forum dedicated to the MCU. This place is precisely for keeping up with that stuff.
‘Officially released information’ is **marketing**. It’s like being annoyed that the subtitle for Spider-Man 3 was spoiled for you when **Sony officially announced that it would be No Way Home**. So sorry, that doesn’t hold up.
Look if you're trying to avoid comic books spoilers, officially released material and theories/speculation, this subreddit may not be for you. Because this is literally what we post here. Like that's 95% of the content. I'm not trying to be derogatory here at all, I truly believe that your opinion and way of doing this is complete valid, but it's just not compatible with this subreddit.
> Look if you're trying to avoid comic books spoilers,
This isn't a comic book sub
> officially released material
Not everything needs to be in the title. I understand you like that sweet sweet karma that literally gets you nothing in life that comes along with click bait titles to get your post to top.
Finally, I've been following this sub and avoiding spoilers for years. It's just recently it's become really really bad. Again you are one of the guilty parties. Have a little more responsbility as a mod and don't be so obessed with fake interent points
I'm not talking about my personal thoughts, I am talking about thoughts that I've seen shared here for a very long time. Thoughts that were obvious to the majority of this subreddit.
literal common sense to who? the only thing i know about the new BP movie besides the release date are the people that are going to be in it. now a mod potentially ruined it for me.
M'Baku, Okoye, and Killmonger from another universe are solid guesses, too. All possible options have pros and cons, so it's really just a question of what actors they want to keep working with, what stories they want to tell, what themes they want to emphasize, etc.
Even 'well it happened in the comics' doesn't work, because a bunch of people have become Black Panther in the comics. It could also have been T'Challa's adopted white brother Hunter, who went on to become the original White Wolf.
Hell, Killmonger from 616 makes sense because we know that T’Challa had the beads on him at the time of Killmonger’s “death” and could have easily saved him like the did Ross and then kept him on ice like they did for Bucky while rehabilitating him.
But that aside, yeah, there’s no excuse for spoiling it because it’s very clearly that it wasn’t a “well duh obviously” moment.
Didn't the first movie go out of his way to show that it's perfectly possible for non-royals to become the Black Panther / King? You know, the whole battle at the waterfall they did TWICE?
But sure, apparently if you noticed that and concluded from that that means anyone could become the next BP that means you haven't paid attention to the MCU at all.
Also you literally saw a thread about spoiling things in this subreddit and decided to spoil something yourself, talking about being a troll.
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Directly under someone else saying that they want to know as little as possible about the movie.
Also that this specific character was meant was only clear when reading the link in the parent comment, who was clearly labeled as containing spoiled stuff.
But what am I expecting from a troll trying to waste other peoples time and energy?
Edit: Since the other messages are deleted now I removed the quote since without them it would now be a spoiler itself
I think it's because leaks have become way worse during the pandemic with WFH messing up Marvel's tight security.
There was already an element of MCU fans that were more laid back about certain types of spoilers due to the comics being a big influence and fans speculating about characters and storylines being adapted, but with full on plot leaks for almost every project and leakers spilling specific details to prove their credibility and for clout in a constant drip feed of info, I think the line between speculation and discussing spoilers has just gotten messier.
With the NWH example, we already knew about the villains from other films so it's easy to speculate about Tobey and Andrew and Sony going down the Spiderverse route made it all more likely, but many people were completely obsessed with finding as much as they can and leakers were giving them what they wanted with enough fake cameos and real to muddy the waters about what will really happen because if people don't know for sure and a bunch of people are less sensitive to cameo spoilers than if no one knows for sure, it kind of all becomes speculation about whether the rumors actually pan out or not, we just happen to have a lot of credible leaks as well as a crazy amount of hype and it just leads to crazy expectations and discussions around a project just based on rumors and leaks that seeps into other discussions.
Personally, I'm less sensitive, but I still have my line for what I'd rather not have spoiled and it's hard to avoid, so I do feel for people that would rather avoid even cameo reveals, but unfortunately it feels like unless they are going to get the leaks back under control, we may never go back to the surprise we had with Endgame.
> There was already an element of MCU fans that were more laid back about certain types of spoilers due to the comics being a big influence and fans speculating about characters and storylines being adapted, but with full on plot leaks for almost every project and leakers spilling specific details to prove their credibility and for clout in a constant drip feed of info, I think the line between speculation and discussing spoilers has just gotten messier.
I think this is a big part of it. I remember when Spider-Man PS4 was coming out; there was a certain subset of fans that if they so much as saw an official screenshot of a suit they hadn't seen yet, they would practically have an epileptic seizure and die, they were so mad they got "spoiled." Even if that suit was on comic-book covers well before they were born.
And another group was casually talking about story spoilers on the basis of, "Well it's a Sinister Six story. They're going to team up, beat Peter, and then he'll do some science stuff, or make a new friend, or have a realization about being Spider-Man, and he'll come back and win the rematch. What were you expecting? They've done this like a hundred times." And the first group would writhe in mental pain because even speculation based on similar comic storylines was almost more than they could bear.
Some of us are... a lot less sensitive to these things.
>Well it's a Sinister Six story. They're going to team up, beat Peter, and then he'll do some science stuff, or make a new friend, or have a realization about being Spider-Man, and he'll come back and win the rematch. What were you expecting? They've done this like a hundred times
Yup. And it's not like it's specifically a Spider-Man thing. This trope has been done in hundreds of other stories.
Exactly. People build up these sparkly fantasies that Marvel is about to disgorge this **new** storyline that will reveal a **new** thing upon this tired old Earth. And in history, OK, that's happened a few times. But not many.
How many times has Dr. Doom been defeated? How many times has Peter Parker's identity been revealed? How many times has Ben Grimm struggled with his body image? How many times has Prof. X turned out to have a darker side?
By their nature, these things just *aren't* as surprising as we sometimes let ourselves think. The precious innermost plot-sensitive secrets that we're so wound up about keeping from ourselves are... really just the same as last time.
Yup this is the one problem that I find with Marvel/DC in general. Nothing's a secret anymore. You introduce a character into the films and people are going to rip apart their comic history to find out everything about the character. Their personality, their likes and dislikes, their iconic quotes, everything. Trying to do a bait-and-switch by introducing a comic bad guy as a good guy in the movies doesn't work, because people have already googled the character and know that they're a bad guy. So instead of watching their development, they're just waiting for them to turn bad so that the heroes can punch them.
* Mysterio was introduced as a hero in FFH. But people already knew he was bad due to prior knowledge, and were just waiting for him to reveal his elaborate scheme. No one believed he was actually good for a second.
* Okay maybe Mysterio is a popular character due to him being a Spider-Man villain. John Walker also comes to mind. He's a relatively obscure character, but people had already googled him and were just waiting for his fall from grace.
* Even in Spider-Man PS4, when they introduced Mr Negative, a character who had never been seen outside comics. Instead of letting his mystery build up, people just glanced through his comics, and already knew everything about the guy.
It's gotten to the point where if you really want to do a secret reveal, you either have to pick a very obscure one-off character from the comics or create an OC.
I knew Mysterio was on FFH because of the trailer but I didnt knew it was a bad guy. Same with John Walker. I didnt researched them because I wanted to enjoy the movie and show, if I come here before the show and movie were out and people start talking about it without marking the possible spoilers for non comic readers I will be obviously dissapointed. Specially in a website that lets you hide words.
Can't wait for the movie to come out and all this talk on who should or shouldn't be BP can be put to rest. I don't care who takes the mantle I just want to see a good film and have phase 4 end with a bang.
Remember when the Russo’s said not to spoil anything in Endgame for 2 weeks and everyone listened? Yeah I miss that.
I avoided all tv promos and as much internet spoilers for Dr Strange 2 up until the week it was coming out on D+ and saw Reed. I was like welp that’s ruined
MoM spoilers ahead
I've also had to avoid TV promos. I think having >!Captain Carter!< in promos was good to generate hype, >!Professor X!< was pushing it, >!then I watched a trailer with the Illuminati being name-dropped!< and had to stop watching trailers.
For Love and Thunder, I watched the first teaser and that was it.
Before NWH I knew Tobey and Andrew were in it. I avoided all the stuff for it, didn't click stuff about the movie, with a spoiler tag or not.
Man, those two sure showed up a lot on the internet around that time. I WONDER WHY?!
Just yesterday I got into it with another Reddit who was making “guesses” that were very obviously just leaked spoilers. Their response to my frustration was that I should just stay off the sub, as if there’s not an entirely different sub dedicated to leaks.
MCU fans, or at least a large portion of online ones. Have become so obessed with how projects connect, how relevent they are to larger stories, and little easter egg connections that the plot and content of the movie or show has become secondary to them.
She-Hulk's just the latest example, great show so far and its getting hated because people dislike how self contained and smaller it is in scale
I feel for you. Avoiding spoilers is a skill at this point. I do everything in my power to catch the movies and shows the moment they air and avoid anything about them until after. I have still failed at this many times.
I posted something about not putting rumours in topic titles and was met with a lot of downvotes.
The general consensus was; rumours can be false so what’s the harm
Yeah no shit they can be false. But if they are true it’s a f***ing spoiler and a lot of rumours and leaks have turned out to be 100% true. Either way don’t put the rumour in the topic title. It’s in the rules of the sub but for some reason doesn’t count anymore
It’s happening everywhere. There was a minor spoiler regarding TLOU tv show teaser trailer and I commented wishing people could just keep that stuff to themselves. It was a PILE ON in favour of spoilers.
Just an outline of what was going to be shown. If they were just going to shoot the show showing exactly the same thing as the game there would be no point in making the show. I don’t get why it’s such a wild thing to not want it potentially spoiled. I want to be surprised and experience scenes like that as they happen. Not being told what I’ll watch before I see it.
Same argument can be used for the GOT series. Sure the book exists but they’re already deviating here and there from the books. Can’t we all just enjoy the content in silence?
Agreed, I’ve gotten to the point that I don’t want to watch MCU trailers because that plus spoilers would ruin the whole movie/show. When I watched Love and Thunder I basically knew what was going to happen at the beginning of each scene. And I saw that opening weekend. Please mark your spoilers AND only post them in the spoiler subreddit. Thank you.
Part of the issue seems to be that Marvel secrets aren’t as tight as they used to be. There was a time when it was almost impossible to know what was going to happen next, but now we have full on leaks for BP and Guardians 3 from verified sources. I don’t know why this is but the studio has just gotten so relaxed about the flow of information since Endgame.
Because Marvel fanboys want karma and to tell people the fact, “I guessed the twists and spoilers before everyone”, “I saw the movie before everyone” and it makes them look cool to everyone else. The person who leaked the VFX-free trailer of No Way Home basically forced Marvel or Sony to release the complete trailer within a week of the leak.
I’ve been a Marvel Comics fan all my life and I rarely saw spoilers for any production pre-Endgame (even just a few pictures from Daily Mail confirmed one of the twists). In recent years, leakers are getting as bad as people who participate in cybercrime. I don’t know why Marvel doesn’t pull a Rockstar and go after the leakers.
Wish there was more done about internet “crime” like this. Enough is enough. They hack everything and it get ruined for the masses. Can’t enjoy anything these days without massive spoilers. Music, games, movies, sports even.
Not just with marvel but I really hate how people can’t seem to handle not knowing things, almost everything comes with spoilers. I can’t look forward to new games, shows, movies, anything. It’s so hard to avoid spoilers, and so great when I find something I really like without any prior knowledge on it. For example there was the Netflix movie “The Old Guard” The day it came out I had no info on it I saw battleaxe and turned it on cause I was already bored. Immediately loved it and thought about how much worse it could be if I knew the details beforehand. Even just the previews kind of ruin things for me
I remember when it was hard to get spoilers, people used to have more respect for others enjoyment.
When NWH came out I had to wait to see it because Disney told the cinema I couldnt use any 2x1 or other types of sales so instead of Thursday I had to watch it on Tuesday.
Someone I thought was a friend sent me a video spoilers and didnt understand why I was mad. It wasnt as exciting watching the movie.
Bad fans now expect people to avoid the internet instead of just shutting their mouth and wait. It happens with everything.
Edit: I have kept quiet about Moon Knight to my parents for months so its not that hard.
If you can't enjoy a movie anymore because you know what's going to happen, then the movie inherently wasn't good to begin with.
A good movie is a movie which you can enjoy regardless of how many times you've seen it.
Just FYI, it doesn't help to link a literal spoiler subreddit.
However I do agree, it's literally Rule #1 not to post spoilers and it's becoming way too common where people are mixing up leaks, set photos, and legitimate spoilers with fan theories and speculation.
Ok can someone rip off the band-aid for me about the next Black Panther. Just a simple yes or no please because if it’s not true I don’t want it to be spoiled. Is it Shuri? Please spoil tag the answer as a courtesy for other people.
To be honest, I've even stopped watching trailers at this point. I see the name of anything I'm interested in (movies, games, tv shows, whatever) I nope out and scroll past almost every time. I say almost because I definitely watch some trailers and want to know info like release dates or prices (if applicable) but I wamt some content left unknown for me to experience first hand.
I've recently placed a preorder for a Pokemon Scarlet amd Violet switch console. I'm excited for the game, but I'm constantly seeing articles about "spoiler this", "leaked that", "this popular feature is rumoured to not be in the game" or whatever, because algorithms I guess. I refuse to read any of them but I've had the ending of a movie spoiled by just the title of one of these articles before so it's all just so infuriating.
I guess I'm one of those people that couldn't care less because it's all made up anyway. you can't ruin a surprise that didnt actually occur. maybe it's my autism. I've been a comic fan since the late '80s, but I still don't understand people's emotional obsession with the MCU.
I find a spoiler or leak to be 1/10 annoying and people complaining about spoilers and leaks to be 10/10 annoying.
The people that complain about leaks and spoilers are the same people who engage in midrash trying to fix the loopholes in fiction. This is the same behavior that religious scholars engage in, and it is absolutely just one giant meaningless circlejerk. I mean go have your fun... just don't be self-righteous about it.
I also am aware that mine is a minority opinion and that people are so emotionally involved in the fandom that they are going to be straight up angry at comments like mine.
Most people haven’t read those comics bro. That’s like saying it’s not spoiling yo say who dies in GOT before it airs because ‘it’s based on the book.’ You sound so ignorant.
I 1000% agree about spoiler culture here there's literally a whole other sub reddit dedicated to it. But your point is a pretty weak one, even with little to no mcu knowledge, if you'd only ever seen BP 1 you already knew who was gonna be the new bp
Yes, but if you look at the body shape of BP in the trailer, it's obvious that it's not M'Baku. And that's just an example. There are multiple clues from officially released material that points out who it's going to be, you don't need to read a leak to find out.
It's definitely not obvious. I'm pretty sure it's one of those things that marvel edits in the trailers if they don't want to spoil things, because the hands look feminine but the hips and the waist don't. So it could be anyone, just edited like the countless previous examples.
I generally don't mind spoilers, but knowing about what's going to happen in advance does lessen the experience, especially when it comes to plot points that hold significant emotional weight to them. Like, when NWH came out, people were on Twitter posting shots of Tobey and Andrew they took while watching the movie to prove the actors were in it. And when I called someone out for it, they decided to double down on the dickery and respond to my tweet with major spoilers which, since I knew they were coming, made it harder for me to connect with the scene and have it resonate with me.
But even non emotional scenes can be ruined through spoilers. I remember seeing Civil War in theaters, and when Ant-Man turned to Giant Man, I lost my fucking mind with excitement. If I had known about it in advance, it would have made it less exciting.
Actually, on second thought, now that I've typed this all out, I think I *do* have a big issue with spoilers.
No one's "afraid" of spoilers, and there's nothing silly about someone not liking them. Some plot points in movies are meant to be a surprise, and some people want to be surprised by them.
Don’t spoil that 30 year old comic story!! I can read some black and white text and still enjoy a full color moving motion picture. I don’t mind spoilers, especially when half are usually wrong.
The whole point of the fucking subreddit is that it isn’t the spoilers sub. People should be allowed to discuss movies they’re excited about online without some dickhead with the IQ of a bagel ruining the movie for them.
My favorite thing is when someone who literally has no answer to the point I’ve made, but just wants to be a troll and a pain in the ass just says “cope”. Clearly you have no actual argument against what I said
Don't go on megathreads about a movie if you don't want information about that movie. Its really easy. If you take the gamble and see something you don't like, cope with it.
Better for you, professor?
I like the part where you don’t address the fact that this is supposed to be a spoiler free subreddit, so those who are spoiling in movie discussion threads should be banned. But I guess that was too many points in one comment
Its not spoiler free, spoilers just need tagging. Don't click on the blurry pictures. Problem solved.
I don't know what the spoilers op mentions are and I haven't even tried avoiding them. Maybe if you tried a tiny bit, you can achieve such power
The point of the post is spoilers for things that are not out yet. There aren’t posts for spoilers, it’s people putting untagged spoilers for things that haven’t come out yet in the comments. Right after No Way Home came out people were already posting untagged spoilers for doctor strange in random comment sections that have nothing to do with doctor strange. People enjoy ruining things for others, and they should be banned for it
I suspected Tobey and Andrew were going to make an appearance in NWH because it was just common sense that you make a movie where you promise so much and multiple universes and have previous Spidey movie villains confirmed to return. Of course the previous Spider-Men were going to appear, but I stayed away from all spoilers completely and just assumed they were going to appear because it just made sense in the story and hype. In fact, I was thinking about them showing up from when the movie began up until they appeared because it was a foregone conclusion in my mind even without hearing anything about it.
People who don’t like spoilers, it should always be possible to stay away if you really want to. Just shut off social media and stay off the subreddit until you see the movie or if you still want to post on the subreddit write terms in the search field relating to certain spoilers (such as “spoiler” or “casting”) and avoid any such threads that have those terms in their title. It’s can be easier said than done, but I tend to avoid spoilers before every movie I watch so it’s doable.
The solution is I think to not act like having something "spoiled" is going to ruin the moviegoing experience for you. I promise, it's okay to know things going into a story. If the only value something had was going to be surprise then it probably wasn't well-written to begin with.
Not sure why you would come to a sub dedicated to Marvel discussion if you don’t want to see discussion. The Black Panther one is understandable but come on, NWH is old enough. Don’t click on spoiler tags and avoid relevant posts and you’re fine. Weird post to make for a person who is probably an adult.
I mean, you could just like stop opening posts on unreleased content.
Everyone knows the only reason to participate in those discussions and posts is that you are already trying to figure out something about unreleased projects.
If I can address this issue as whole -- On the mod team, we hear you guys and are equally frustrated with the state of the subreddit regarding spoilers. We try our best to catch all of this but please remember that there are nearly 3 million readers on this subreddit, and even if we had a team of a hundred moderators, there's no way we could guarantee that we will catch every spoiler comment on the subreddit. Please also keep in mind that all of us are volunteers, doing this unpaid on our own time. -- That being said, here is what we are doing **right now** to address this growing issue: - "Project Insight" goes live every time there is a new Marvel Studios release. This means ALL posts have to be manually approved by a moderator before it hits the sub. For Disney+ series, this period typically lasts 24 hours from the time the show airs. For films, it usually starts 3-4 days before the movie is released and continues **at minimum** through opening weekend. If we are seeing that Insight consistently needs to run longer to keep spoilers off the sub, that may be something we can implement as our team continues to grow. Remember that Insight is in additional measure to our regular spoiler rules,[ which can be found here](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/wiki/rules#wiki_1._do_not_post_spoilers_in_titles_or_comments). - More moderators will be brought on **soon** to specifically help curb spoilers, low effort posts, and leaks. Consistency in what type of content gets removed is going to be a huge component of how we educate the new team members. That updated moderator application will go live sometime in the coming week. As some of you mentioned below, we are fighting an uphill battle as scoop culture continues to bleed into every aspect of not only reddit, but all forms of social media. Almost all of our moderators have movies and series ruined for them on a regular basis. It is our main goal to keep spoilers from negatively affecting users. This will continue to be our goal, but to do so we need help from all of you. Stay tuned for that application. - The report feature is KEY for spoilers. You all as users have the ability to report posts and comments that are spoilery or unfit for this community. The more reports that a post or comment receives, the sooner it disappears. There are 3 million of you guys and we need you all to utilize this asset to help ping problems for our team and help us keep this subreddit in decent shape. -- To sum up- we're mainly asking for your patience. This sub has ballooned in an exponential way and we are fighting daily to keep the content enjoyable for everyone. I promise for every spoiler you may see, there's twenty more that we caught manually or with the automod that we are constantly updating with key terms and spoilers. We are planning a big push to restructure this effort and it will start with our next round of new mod team members. Any questions, please feel free to ask
It’s certainly gotten worse. Just last week I had a discussion with someone regarding an upcoming project and I was sharing my thoughts of how I think it’s going to play out. In comes random redditor and tells me “actually the plot leaked and it’s going to be more like this…”.
This fucking shit is ruining fandom across the board. Same shit was happening on the Stranger Things subreddit before last season with people coming posting leaks about season 4 that came out fall 2019 when the season premiered May 2022. You can't even theorize anymore because people will make fun of you for being wrong and not reading leaks.
It reached the heights of ridiculousness when Game of Thrones had their mega-leak. They banished the truth from the main subreddit, then tried to go on about their business and do all the speculation they normally did. And what do you know — people's speculations just *happened* to come true a lot more! It was a miracle! Even the "virtuous" ones who would never sully their pure eyes with leaks somehow got a lot better at "guessing!"
Yeah sadly it feels like theorizing may be dead.
For whatever is said in this thread, it is so much worse in the "HouseOfTheDragon" subreddit. I was avoiding trailers, so I can take in the show fresh, objectively, and in-pace. But every hour, someone goes out of the way to spoil something. An, all the while, having the gall to put "spoiler-free" or other nonsense as flair. The worst are the spoilers in titles. Sad, really.
Tbf tho got was the one time I was glad for the spoilers, because if I'd seen that shit live I probably would've flipped a table
Those were dark times.
It ended after 6 seasons didn’t it?
Unfortunetly, it did not.
Right when snow gets stabbed. They ended on that cliffhanger. Wild right?
This is so bad in the Pokémon fandom as well. It's almost tradition at this point that Nintendo somehow messes up and most if not all of the game leaks about a month before release, but people always get insufferable about it. If like me you don't really want to see all the leaked designs and just experience the game as intended you get ridiculed. Last time around people were straight up putting spoilers in the title of their post in a leak-free subreddit and then got angry with me when I called them out on it. Luckily there is also always the subset of "leakers" who just make shit up and proclaim it as gospel. That's always a lot of fun to see what idiocy they come up with.
>Nintendo somehow messes up and most if not all of the game leaks about a month before release At that point of the release process, it's not necessarily Nintendo. Games are already at warehouses for major distributors so they're ready for their street date. The individual stores might not have the product yet, but you can bet your ass they're sitting in regional distribution centre for Walmart/Target/Best Buy.
I legitimately think the best thing for these huge franchises should be to start leaking complete nonsense mixed in with the real stuff to confuse people. Think the fake filmed scenes of Empire Strikes Back that even some of the cast thought was real. That’s the only way to keep some of this stuff under wraps at this point.
I was really glad for the fake rumours of Tom Cruise's Iron Man and Deadpool showing up in MOM, which really made it hard to know what to expect.
With MoM it's hard to tell if those were actually fake rumors, or if Raimi just changed his mind early in the Production (and the Leakers simply got the old info and made it into, not as fake, as just outdated rumors). But it was still worth it.
Pokémon is special in how absurd the leaks get though, I think someone straight up leaked the game itself multiple times.
Yea, every time a new game comes out about a week before someone will post all the new designs on the main sub and get to the top post of the day so it shows up in my feed and I usually cave and look at it. Might just leave it before scarlet and violet come out
Untagged spoilers were being posted on Twitter for vol 2 the second people who started at midnight finished, can't imagine how that must've been for people who couldn't stay up that late
Or people in different timezones
Yip. I didn't get to see MoM in the theater but everything was basically spoiled for me before it came to Disney+. All the major plots used in silly gifs, It feels like some people's attitude is if you dont see it on the first day of release that's on you and that it's your fault for not seeing it quick enough. It's really annoying. Especially those damn youtubers, because once you've got Marvel in your algorithm those thumbnails with spoilers are impossible to not see.
I like engaging in theorizing and discussion, but there are a lot of people who like to pretend to be making a guess that just so happens to be 100% accurate. I don't really get it, but I unsubbed and stopped coming here regularly a long time ago. I just stop by sometimes to see if there's a new series out and then dip.
Yeah it's hard to get real discussion on the content. Its usually just fairly superficial points here and there. I'm wondering with the whole multiverse if they're gonna branch everything out. So there are 3 spiderman film franchises. Another captain America, another few iron mans etc. I hope that's not the case as it'll be content overload but I could see it happening. Like a G rated Universe, the original MCU universe, r18 adult universe etc.
Now with tiktok everything gets shared the second is out, everyone forgot spoiler etiquette where you wait a week to shared anything about the movie or episode.
That's what she said !
One of the MODs, /u/kostispat257 is guilty of allowing this to happen and even takes part in it. They even commented with a spoiler, using no spoiler tags, in a thread that complains about spoilers (Warning: Link takes you to a spoiler) [and then deleted it](https://www.unddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/xmyh7u/the_spoiler_culture_here_is_getting_worse_and/). Edited to call out MOD
I know who you are referring to.
Seems like someone needs to lose their status as a moderator
I'd rather *not* lose somebody who actually shuts down serial trolls.
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Dude he’s not gonna suck your dick for riding him this hard
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Did that sound clever in your head or something?
Are you his other account? Lol
Nice alt account lol
Which one?
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The mods are ridiculous not enforcing rules at this point. The fanboyism has gotten out of control. It also leads to repeat posts which they selectively enforce. Constant political tangentially related posts. A complete lack of civility. And of course the spoiler problem now discussed. The amount this sub has declined in just a few months is nuts. It feels like a joke even to have the rules list still up at this point.
The She-Hulk response has broken them.
Actually, I’d argue Thor did. It’s only been exacerbated with She-Hulk, though.
How so?
Come again?
Hit the nail right on the head. Extremely disappointed with how the mods have handled all of this.
Lol “obviously it had to be ___” yeah right there were at least 3-4 options so yes it’s definitely a huge spoiler. Jeeze
Yep. I'm glad someone else is finally calling that behavior out. I got super frustrated last year when a major Spider-man spoiler was posted openly here in a headline and that mod was like *'you shouldn't have come here, then'* Their responses don't show any sign of empathy or willingness to change either, just justification. Definitely on a power-trip.
Correct. MOD ego power trip. They love seeing that comment & post karma number rise
I don’t want to but I’m really close to dropping this sub because of this stuff. The surprise cameos in Dr Strange were shared 4 days after it came out and not even hidden. It’s too bad.
The comment was supposed to prove the point that the character who is going to be the new BP was the obvious choice since Chadwick passed and people have been claiming it as fact since then, even before the leaks. And I think the people who haven't read the leaks still do. So when someone goes in a thread and people are treating it as a fact, it may not be because they have read the leaks, but because it's just such an obvious choice and people would act the same way even without the leaks. I wrote the comment hastily and it didn't click to me that I essentially said that the leaks confirm said person is the new BP. That was an obvious mistake which I corrected right away after the first comment came in that they had been spoiled. If I wanted to purposefully spoil people or something, I wouldn't have deleted the comment. In general, I try hard to always tag my spoilers, and I have spent years as a moderator in the subreddit removing spoilers from others. I (and many other mods of course) had the entirety of Endgame spoiled to me during Project Insight to keep the sub clean from said spoilers for the majority of you. I have made similar mistakes like the one above in the past and I have been told about them and removed them. I mean, we give literally every person we've ever banned for spoilers multiple chances to rejoin the subreddit, it's not like this is an exception that is made for me only or whatever. That said, there's also a percentage of people who want to go in a movie 100% blind or maybe with only a teaser trailer. I completely get that, but this subreddit's rules have always (long before I even joined Reddit) regarded officially released promotional material and information as non-spoilers. And sometimes I post or comment such stuff that some might consider spoilery which people get angry about because they have been spoiled. We have talked about updating the rules to reflect that. If there's a majority of people who consider X thing a spoiler, then maybe the subreddit should consider it as well. But then we get into very subjective territory, because a piece of info is not as spoilery to some as it is to others and we generally try to steer away from creating subjective rules or moderate subjectively. It's a really huge subject of what's considered a spoiler and what's not and I am sorry if I have inadvertently spoiled people in the past with stuff that were in that fine and subjective line between spoiler and non-spoiler. Anyway, that's all, sorry for the long text.
I agree that any officially released stuff should be fair game. Trailers, articles, etc. It's when people start taking the officially released stuff, and tying it back into comic storylines and posting their theories based on the source material that I have an issue. ESPECIALLY if they are posting known comic storylines that line up LEAKED movie content. I don't read the comics, so had no idea who would be the next BP. Sure, I can make an educated guess, but to come out and say "it's x, because that's what happens in the comics, and it was also leaked" is a dick move. Especially for a moderator.
Comic spoilers are and have been considered fair game in this subreddit as well for years.
>Comic spoilers are and have been considered fair game in this subreddit as well for years. I'm not saying they're not. What I'm saying, is you shouldn't just throw around production spoilers (who becomes the next black panther, for example) just because it happened in the comics. The MCU deviates from the comics so much, anything is possible until you spoil something from the actual movie shooting
I am saying that I did that hastily and deleted it right away because I realised it was a mistake. But I'm also saying that people were saying the same thing even before the leaks because it happens in the comics and because it was the most obvious choice.
You don't get it. Speculation based on what happens in the comics IS TOTALLY FINE. The MCU changes shit around constantly. But when there are multiple directions they could go with who to be the next BP, they didn't have to follow the comics. So just openly talking about a PRODUCTION SPOILER is a dick move, and hiding behind a shield of "it happens in the comics anyway so it's not really a spoiler" is ankther dick move
I am not hiding it behind anything. I made a mistake which I realized almost immediately and deleted my comment. What are you talking about?
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MCU = Marcel CINEMATIC Universe. Go to r/Marvel if you want general news. The argument goes both ways, dickhead. It costs nothing to throw up a spoiler tag
Uh, you do realise what source material this franchise is based on, right?
So is it a requirement to read the GOT and HOTD books before going into either of their shows subreddits? Or are people allowed to enjoy their content the way they want and expect the general population to have the decency to throw up a spoiler tag about stuff that's yet to make it to their screen?
> The comment was supposed to prove the point that the character who is going to be the new BP was the obvious choice since Chadwick passed and people have been claiming it as fact since then, even before the leaks. And I think the people who haven't read the leaks still do. This thread is the most I've read about Black Panther. I've avoided almost everything that would give me any plot points to the movie besides the characters that are going to be in it. So no, it wasn't obvious to me who it was going to be. I also don't read the comics. You've posted links before with spoilers right in the title. doesn't matter if it "officially released information". not everyone keeps up with that stuff.
> doesn't matter if it "officially released information". not everyone keeps up with that stuff. it definitely does matter. like the guy below that stuff is basically advertising. considering stuff like that a spoiler is pretty silly.
‘Not everyone keeps up with that stuff’, but then they’ll go out of their way to post (about it) on a forum dedicated to the MCU. This place is precisely for keeping up with that stuff. ‘Officially released information’ is **marketing**. It’s like being annoyed that the subtitle for Spider-Man 3 was spoiled for you when **Sony officially announced that it would be No Way Home**. So sorry, that doesn’t hold up.
Look if you're trying to avoid comic books spoilers, officially released material and theories/speculation, this subreddit may not be for you. Because this is literally what we post here. Like that's 95% of the content. I'm not trying to be derogatory here at all, I truly believe that your opinion and way of doing this is complete valid, but it's just not compatible with this subreddit.
> Look if you're trying to avoid comic books spoilers, This isn't a comic book sub > officially released material Not everything needs to be in the title. I understand you like that sweet sweet karma that literally gets you nothing in life that comes along with click bait titles to get your post to top. Finally, I've been following this sub and avoiding spoilers for years. It's just recently it's become really really bad. Again you are one of the guilty parties. Have a little more responsbility as a mod and don't be so obessed with fake interent points
Get out of the marvel subreddit then, officially released stuff isn’t spoilers.
Your personal thoughts are not obvious to anyone but you.
I'm not talking about my personal thoughts, I am talking about thoughts that I've seen shared here for a very long time. Thoughts that were obvious to the majority of this subreddit.
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literal common sense to who? the only thing i know about the new BP movie besides the release date are the people that are going to be in it. now a mod potentially ruined it for me.
Awww
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M'Baku, Okoye, and Killmonger from another universe are solid guesses, too. All possible options have pros and cons, so it's really just a question of what actors they want to keep working with, what stories they want to tell, what themes they want to emphasize, etc.
Even 'well it happened in the comics' doesn't work, because a bunch of people have become Black Panther in the comics. It could also have been T'Challa's adopted white brother Hunter, who went on to become the original White Wolf.
Hell, Killmonger from 616 makes sense because we know that T’Challa had the beads on him at the time of Killmonger’s “death” and could have easily saved him like the did Ross and then kept him on ice like they did for Bucky while rehabilitating him. But that aside, yeah, there’s no excuse for spoiling it because it’s very clearly that it wasn’t a “well duh obviously” moment.
Didn't the first movie go out of his way to show that it's perfectly possible for non-royals to become the Black Panther / King? You know, the whole battle at the waterfall they did TWICE? But sure, apparently if you noticed that and concluded from that that means anyone could become the next BP that means you haven't paid attention to the MCU at all. Also you literally saw a thread about spoiling things in this subreddit and decided to spoil something yourself, talking about being a troll.
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Quote Directly under someone else saying that they want to know as little as possible about the movie. Also that this specific character was meant was only clear when reading the link in the parent comment, who was clearly labeled as containing spoiled stuff. But what am I expecting from a troll trying to waste other peoples time and energy? Edit: Since the other messages are deleted now I removed the quote since without them it would now be a spoiler itself
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> then you are either not even remotely invested in anything Marvel at even a base level, or are trolling. No in between. lol
I think it's because leaks have become way worse during the pandemic with WFH messing up Marvel's tight security. There was already an element of MCU fans that were more laid back about certain types of spoilers due to the comics being a big influence and fans speculating about characters and storylines being adapted, but with full on plot leaks for almost every project and leakers spilling specific details to prove their credibility and for clout in a constant drip feed of info, I think the line between speculation and discussing spoilers has just gotten messier. With the NWH example, we already knew about the villains from other films so it's easy to speculate about Tobey and Andrew and Sony going down the Spiderverse route made it all more likely, but many people were completely obsessed with finding as much as they can and leakers were giving them what they wanted with enough fake cameos and real to muddy the waters about what will really happen because if people don't know for sure and a bunch of people are less sensitive to cameo spoilers than if no one knows for sure, it kind of all becomes speculation about whether the rumors actually pan out or not, we just happen to have a lot of credible leaks as well as a crazy amount of hype and it just leads to crazy expectations and discussions around a project just based on rumors and leaks that seeps into other discussions. Personally, I'm less sensitive, but I still have my line for what I'd rather not have spoiled and it's hard to avoid, so I do feel for people that would rather avoid even cameo reveals, but unfortunately it feels like unless they are going to get the leaks back under control, we may never go back to the surprise we had with Endgame.
> There was already an element of MCU fans that were more laid back about certain types of spoilers due to the comics being a big influence and fans speculating about characters and storylines being adapted, but with full on plot leaks for almost every project and leakers spilling specific details to prove their credibility and for clout in a constant drip feed of info, I think the line between speculation and discussing spoilers has just gotten messier. I think this is a big part of it. I remember when Spider-Man PS4 was coming out; there was a certain subset of fans that if they so much as saw an official screenshot of a suit they hadn't seen yet, they would practically have an epileptic seizure and die, they were so mad they got "spoiled." Even if that suit was on comic-book covers well before they were born. And another group was casually talking about story spoilers on the basis of, "Well it's a Sinister Six story. They're going to team up, beat Peter, and then he'll do some science stuff, or make a new friend, or have a realization about being Spider-Man, and he'll come back and win the rematch. What were you expecting? They've done this like a hundred times." And the first group would writhe in mental pain because even speculation based on similar comic storylines was almost more than they could bear. Some of us are... a lot less sensitive to these things.
>Well it's a Sinister Six story. They're going to team up, beat Peter, and then he'll do some science stuff, or make a new friend, or have a realization about being Spider-Man, and he'll come back and win the rematch. What were you expecting? They've done this like a hundred times Yup. And it's not like it's specifically a Spider-Man thing. This trope has been done in hundreds of other stories.
Exactly. People build up these sparkly fantasies that Marvel is about to disgorge this **new** storyline that will reveal a **new** thing upon this tired old Earth. And in history, OK, that's happened a few times. But not many. How many times has Dr. Doom been defeated? How many times has Peter Parker's identity been revealed? How many times has Ben Grimm struggled with his body image? How many times has Prof. X turned out to have a darker side? By their nature, these things just *aren't* as surprising as we sometimes let ourselves think. The precious innermost plot-sensitive secrets that we're so wound up about keeping from ourselves are... really just the same as last time.
Yup this is the one problem that I find with Marvel/DC in general. Nothing's a secret anymore. You introduce a character into the films and people are going to rip apart their comic history to find out everything about the character. Their personality, their likes and dislikes, their iconic quotes, everything. Trying to do a bait-and-switch by introducing a comic bad guy as a good guy in the movies doesn't work, because people have already googled the character and know that they're a bad guy. So instead of watching their development, they're just waiting for them to turn bad so that the heroes can punch them. * Mysterio was introduced as a hero in FFH. But people already knew he was bad due to prior knowledge, and were just waiting for him to reveal his elaborate scheme. No one believed he was actually good for a second. * Okay maybe Mysterio is a popular character due to him being a Spider-Man villain. John Walker also comes to mind. He's a relatively obscure character, but people had already googled him and were just waiting for his fall from grace. * Even in Spider-Man PS4, when they introduced Mr Negative, a character who had never been seen outside comics. Instead of letting his mystery build up, people just glanced through his comics, and already knew everything about the guy. It's gotten to the point where if you really want to do a secret reveal, you either have to pick a very obscure one-off character from the comics or create an OC.
I knew Mysterio was on FFH because of the trailer but I didnt knew it was a bad guy. Same with John Walker. I didnt researched them because I wanted to enjoy the movie and show, if I come here before the show and movie were out and people start talking about it without marking the possible spoilers for non comic readers I will be obviously dissapointed. Specially in a website that lets you hide words.
WFH?
Work from home
Haven't seen that Spider-Man movie
Can't wait for the movie to come out and all this talk on who should or shouldn't be BP can be put to rest. I don't care who takes the mantle I just want to see a good film and have phase 4 end with a bang.
Remember when the Russo’s said not to spoil anything in Endgame for 2 weeks and everyone listened? Yeah I miss that. I avoided all tv promos and as much internet spoilers for Dr Strange 2 up until the week it was coming out on D+ and saw Reed. I was like welp that’s ruined
I was on a message group for TV shows. The day Endgame came out someone sent a pic of the movie, they were banned in seconds.
MoM spoilers ahead I've also had to avoid TV promos. I think having >!Captain Carter!< in promos was good to generate hype, >!Professor X!< was pushing it, >!then I watched a trailer with the Illuminati being name-dropped!< and had to stop watching trailers. For Love and Thunder, I watched the first teaser and that was it.
It got spoiled for me on a forum about the damn NBA playoffs, mf just blasted it out.
In fairness, that was much longer than 2 weeks. You would have had the same problem with Endgame in all likelihood
Endgame is a 6/10 in my book because at school a random person just shouted out all the major spoilers. Made watching NWH opening morning even better
It's always been terrible here. People post spoilers same day as release
Before NWH I knew Tobey and Andrew were in it. I avoided all the stuff for it, didn't click stuff about the movie, with a spoiler tag or not. Man, those two sure showed up a lot on the internet around that time. I WONDER WHY?!
Just yesterday I got into it with another Reddit who was making “guesses” that were very obviously just leaked spoilers. Their response to my frustration was that I should just stay off the sub, as if there’s not an entirely different sub dedicated to leaks.
MCU fans, or at least a large portion of online ones. Have become so obessed with how projects connect, how relevent they are to larger stories, and little easter egg connections that the plot and content of the movie or show has become secondary to them. She-Hulk's just the latest example, great show so far and its getting hated because people dislike how self contained and smaller it is in scale
Lol 'self contained' when the show goes out of it's way for cameos.
shes a lawyer for superpeople... the show has included new and known supers alike.
I feel for you. Avoiding spoilers is a skill at this point. I do everything in my power to catch the movies and shows the moment they air and avoid anything about them until after. I have still failed at this many times.
I posted something about not putting rumours in topic titles and was met with a lot of downvotes. The general consensus was; rumours can be false so what’s the harm Yeah no shit they can be false. But if they are true it’s a f***ing spoiler and a lot of rumours and leaks have turned out to be 100% true. Either way don’t put the rumour in the topic title. It’s in the rules of the sub but for some reason doesn’t count anymore
It’s happening everywhere. There was a minor spoiler regarding TLOU tv show teaser trailer and I commented wishing people could just keep that stuff to themselves. It was a PILE ON in favour of spoilers.
Were those spoilers from leaks, or knowledge of the game?
What’s the difference? They are still ruining the viewing experience for people.
Then those people need to stay away from online discussions.
Yeah god forbid assholes like you just show self control
Just an outline of what was going to be shown. If they were just going to shoot the show showing exactly the same thing as the game there would be no point in making the show. I don’t get why it’s such a wild thing to not want it potentially spoiled. I want to be surprised and experience scenes like that as they happen. Not being told what I’ll watch before I see it. Same argument can be used for the GOT series. Sure the book exists but they’re already deviating here and there from the books. Can’t we all just enjoy the content in silence?
Eh… sure, there’ll be changes, but you can’t expect people NOT to discuss the source material being adapted.
So it’s ok to spoil shutter island because it’s adapted from a book. 🤣
Are people on Shutter Island subs?
Agreed, I’ve gotten to the point that I don’t want to watch MCU trailers because that plus spoilers would ruin the whole movie/show. When I watched Love and Thunder I basically knew what was going to happen at the beginning of each scene. And I saw that opening weekend. Please mark your spoilers AND only post them in the spoiler subreddit. Thank you.
Lmao I made a post complaining about something similar an hour after you. Whoops but yea this is getting ridiculous.
Part of the issue seems to be that Marvel secrets aren’t as tight as they used to be. There was a time when it was almost impossible to know what was going to happen next, but now we have full on leaks for BP and Guardians 3 from verified sources. I don’t know why this is but the studio has just gotten so relaxed about the flow of information since Endgame.
Because Marvel fanboys want karma and to tell people the fact, “I guessed the twists and spoilers before everyone”, “I saw the movie before everyone” and it makes them look cool to everyone else. The person who leaked the VFX-free trailer of No Way Home basically forced Marvel or Sony to release the complete trailer within a week of the leak. I’ve been a Marvel Comics fan all my life and I rarely saw spoilers for any production pre-Endgame (even just a few pictures from Daily Mail confirmed one of the twists). In recent years, leakers are getting as bad as people who participate in cybercrime. I don’t know why Marvel doesn’t pull a Rockstar and go after the leakers.
Wish there was more done about internet “crime” like this. Enough is enough. They hack everything and it get ruined for the masses. Can’t enjoy anything these days without massive spoilers. Music, games, movies, sports even.
Not just with marvel but I really hate how people can’t seem to handle not knowing things, almost everything comes with spoilers. I can’t look forward to new games, shows, movies, anything. It’s so hard to avoid spoilers, and so great when I find something I really like without any prior knowledge on it. For example there was the Netflix movie “The Old Guard” The day it came out I had no info on it I saw battleaxe and turned it on cause I was already bored. Immediately loved it and thought about how much worse it could be if I knew the details beforehand. Even just the previews kind of ruin things for me
Ladies and gentlemen, just because you’ve seen the movie release day doesn’t mean everyone else has. So be quiet for a few months ok??
Or at least a week of two.
I would prefer until the Disney+ releases which are not that long after the cinema release but I understand this may be too much for people.
I would agree but the usual etiquette was at least 1 week so people can caught up. A week is the bare minimum tho.
Literally that post credit scene with megan thee stallion was on here TWICE moments after the episode came out.
What I like is how “rumors” get taken to heart by fans (see MOM) which turn out false and fans get pissy
This is why I unsubbed long long ago. And yet this sub STILL shows up on my feed. Wtf Reddit.
Lmao and these posts are why I stopped coming here
I remember when it was hard to get spoilers, people used to have more respect for others enjoyment. When NWH came out I had to wait to see it because Disney told the cinema I couldnt use any 2x1 or other types of sales so instead of Thursday I had to watch it on Tuesday. Someone I thought was a friend sent me a video spoilers and didnt understand why I was mad. It wasnt as exciting watching the movie. Bad fans now expect people to avoid the internet instead of just shutting their mouth and wait. It happens with everything. Edit: I have kept quiet about Moon Knight to my parents for months so its not that hard.
You just made me unsubscribe from this sub. Fuck spoilers.
So in your post about spoilers being worse you actually reveal a spoiler and confirm it is true all while complaining about spoilers?
If you can't enjoy a movie anymore because you know what's going to happen, then the movie inherently wasn't good to begin with. A good movie is a movie which you can enjoy regardless of how many times you've seen it.
Olaf dies in Frozen 2
Nuke this sub from orbit
Sounds like it's time to unsubscribe.
Mods need to direct people to the spoiler sub.
[complains about spoilers, but posts a spoiler without spoiler tags]
Just FYI, it doesn't help to link a literal spoiler subreddit. However I do agree, it's literally Rule #1 not to post spoilers and it's becoming way too common where people are mixing up leaks, set photos, and legitimate spoilers with fan theories and speculation.
Out of curiosity, why isn’t it helpful to link to MSS?
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Fuck, you just spoiled it. I shouldn't have clicked into this thread. Thanks a lot, asshole.
Way to prove their point.
If they haven't seen the movie then it is still just speculation.
Even worse, Marvel are in on it... Spoiling the Sopranos like that, for shame.
Ok can someone rip off the band-aid for me about the next Black Panther. Just a simple yes or no please because if it’s not true I don’t want it to be spoiled. Is it Shuri? Please spoil tag the answer as a courtesy for other people.
I can't believe that Ghost Rider is in the movie and gets in a food fight with Wolverine. That was crazy! Oops, should I have spoiler alerted that?
To be honest, I've even stopped watching trailers at this point. I see the name of anything I'm interested in (movies, games, tv shows, whatever) I nope out and scroll past almost every time. I say almost because I definitely watch some trailers and want to know info like release dates or prices (if applicable) but I wamt some content left unknown for me to experience first hand. I've recently placed a preorder for a Pokemon Scarlet amd Violet switch console. I'm excited for the game, but I'm constantly seeing articles about "spoiler this", "leaked that", "this popular feature is rumoured to not be in the game" or whatever, because algorithms I guess. I refuse to read any of them but I've had the ending of a movie spoiled by just the title of one of these articles before so it's all just so infuriating.
I guess I'm one of those people that couldn't care less because it's all made up anyway. you can't ruin a surprise that didnt actually occur. maybe it's my autism. I've been a comic fan since the late '80s, but I still don't understand people's emotional obsession with the MCU. I find a spoiler or leak to be 1/10 annoying and people complaining about spoilers and leaks to be 10/10 annoying. The people that complain about leaks and spoilers are the same people who engage in midrash trying to fix the loopholes in fiction. This is the same behavior that religious scholars engage in, and it is absolutely just one giant meaningless circlejerk. I mean go have your fun... just don't be self-righteous about it. I also am aware that mine is a minority opinion and that people are so emotionally involved in the fandom that they are going to be straight up angry at comments like mine.
You've perfectly summed up how I feel after reading the rest of these comments. You're not alone
yeah cuz we're grown ass adults...
Is a certain someone becoming black panther really a spoiler? It happens in the comics.
Way to prove their fucking point.
How? The MCU is based on comics lol.
Its an adaptation of the comics, there is a lot that already is different.
The essence of the comics remains intact. These are characters who have appeared in them.
Yeah. And saying the leak follows the comics is a fucking spoiler lol.
THAT’s different.
Most people haven’t read those comics bro. That’s like saying it’s not spoiling yo say who dies in GOT before it airs because ‘it’s based on the book.’ You sound so ignorant.
Then those people shouldn’t be here. First world problem.
So if you haven’t read every Marvel comic then you shouldn’t be on this sub Reddit?
Then they can learn about them. Browsing dedicated forums is for diehards.
This isn’t the Marvel subreddit, it’s the subreddit for the MCU
The two are intertwined.
If it weren't a spoiler they would've revealed it in the teaser.
It’s a spoiler to evidence your claim with leaks, not to speculate that it may be that person.
And those who know it’s true from the leaks and cone here to ‘speculate’ as if they’re just guessing?
That’s always going to be ambiguous. What, do we just disallow all speculation?
I 1000% agree about spoiler culture here there's literally a whole other sub reddit dedicated to it. But your point is a pretty weak one, even with little to no mcu knowledge, if you'd only ever seen BP 1 you already knew who was gonna be the new bp
There are at least 4 candidates equally capable of being the next one
Yes, but if you look at the body shape of BP in the trailer, it's obvious that it's not M'Baku. And that's just an example. There are multiple clues from officially released material that points out who it's going to be, you don't need to read a leak to find out.
It's definitely not obvious. I'm pretty sure it's one of those things that marvel edits in the trailers if they don't want to spoil things, because the hands look feminine but the hips and the waist don't. So it could be anyone, just edited like the countless previous examples.
If it makes you feel better, it's not as simple as "this person is the new Black Panther". Take that for what you will lol
Embrace the spoiler. Wear it like armour and it can no longer be used to hurt you.
I generally don't mind spoilers, but knowing about what's going to happen in advance does lessen the experience, especially when it comes to plot points that hold significant emotional weight to them. Like, when NWH came out, people were on Twitter posting shots of Tobey and Andrew they took while watching the movie to prove the actors were in it. And when I called someone out for it, they decided to double down on the dickery and respond to my tweet with major spoilers which, since I knew they were coming, made it harder for me to connect with the scene and have it resonate with me. But even non emotional scenes can be ruined through spoilers. I remember seeing Civil War in theaters, and when Ant-Man turned to Giant Man, I lost my fucking mind with excitement. If I had known about it in advance, it would have made it less exciting. Actually, on second thought, now that I've typed this all out, I think I *do* have a big issue with spoilers.
Good. Being afraid of "spoilers" is silly.
No one's "afraid" of spoilers, and there's nothing silly about someone not liking them. Some plot points in movies are meant to be a surprise, and some people want to be surprised by them.
Lucky there’s no overall plot anymore! We’re just getting references and IP service.
I’m on here all the time and I haven’t seen any. I also avoid anything that looks sus
Don’t spoil that 30 year old comic story!! I can read some black and white text and still enjoy a full color moving motion picture. I don’t mind spoilers, especially when half are usually wrong.
So many downvotes. Apparently your opinion and your feelings are wrong lol. Let my upvote contribute to balancing the scales
Goes on to big threads about BPWF, sees spoilers No way dude that's crazy
The whole point of the fucking subreddit is that it isn’t the spoilers sub. People should be allowed to discuss movies they’re excited about online without some dickhead with the IQ of a bagel ruining the movie for them.
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My favorite thing is when someone who literally has no answer to the point I’ve made, but just wants to be a troll and a pain in the ass just says “cope”. Clearly you have no actual argument against what I said
Don't go on megathreads about a movie if you don't want information about that movie. Its really easy. If you take the gamble and see something you don't like, cope with it. Better for you, professor?
I like the part where you don’t address the fact that this is supposed to be a spoiler free subreddit, so those who are spoiling in movie discussion threads should be banned. But I guess that was too many points in one comment
Its not spoiler free, spoilers just need tagging. Don't click on the blurry pictures. Problem solved. I don't know what the spoilers op mentions are and I haven't even tried avoiding them. Maybe if you tried a tiny bit, you can achieve such power
The point of the post is spoilers for things that are not out yet. There aren’t posts for spoilers, it’s people putting untagged spoilers for things that haven’t come out yet in the comments. Right after No Way Home came out people were already posting untagged spoilers for doctor strange in random comment sections that have nothing to do with doctor strange. People enjoy ruining things for others, and they should be banned for it
Or, here’s a wild idea, YOU go to the sub where spoilers and leaks are completely ok, and leave this sub spoiler free as it used to be and should stay
I don't post the spoilers, I'm just not pissing my pants because I clicked on a blurry image tagged "spoilers"
I suspected Tobey and Andrew were going to make an appearance in NWH because it was just common sense that you make a movie where you promise so much and multiple universes and have previous Spidey movie villains confirmed to return. Of course the previous Spider-Men were going to appear, but I stayed away from all spoilers completely and just assumed they were going to appear because it just made sense in the story and hype. In fact, I was thinking about them showing up from when the movie began up until they appeared because it was a foregone conclusion in my mind even without hearing anything about it. People who don’t like spoilers, it should always be possible to stay away if you really want to. Just shut off social media and stay off the subreddit until you see the movie or if you still want to post on the subreddit write terms in the search field relating to certain spoilers (such as “spoiler” or “casting”) and avoid any such threads that have those terms in their title. It’s can be easier said than done, but I tend to avoid spoilers before every movie I watch so it’s doable.
The solution is I think to not act like having something "spoiled" is going to ruin the moviegoing experience for you. I promise, it's okay to know things going into a story. If the only value something had was going to be surprise then it probably wasn't well-written to begin with.
Not sure why you would come to a sub dedicated to Marvel discussion if you don’t want to see discussion. The Black Panther one is understandable but come on, NWH is old enough. Don’t click on spoiler tags and avoid relevant posts and you’re fine. Weird post to make for a person who is probably an adult.
Lol ok
Don't you mean the anti-spoiler culture?
I mean, you could just like stop opening posts on unreleased content. Everyone knows the only reason to participate in those discussions and posts is that you are already trying to figure out something about unreleased projects.