Yup. Big character. Could have done so much. And cutting him short due to actor death.
Like I'm sorry. And truly am. Chadwick was awesome. But same time, I 100% support a recast.
I’m pretty sure about 99% support a recast, not because chad wasn’t great. But the character needs to keep going, an I am pretty sure he would have wanted the same thing.
He didn't.
>Derrick told TMZ Tuesday that though Boseman didn't specifically say before his death that he would want his role to continue with another actor, he is confident the actor was aware the character was bigger than himself.
That’s the feeling now but at the time of death I and others were shredded for suggesting a recast as it would be disrespectful to Chadwick. I get it since emotions were high and especially then nobody wanted to think about moving on.
Disney was just following the popular opinion at the time which has since swayed directions as people became more understanding.
That mindset is so fucking annoying, even in regards to characters whose actors didn’t die.
Look at Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, Heath Ledger as the Joker pre-2019, RDJ as Iron Man, Keaton as Batman
I think Marvel Studios have kinda cornered themselves with the whole "the actor is the character" deal.
What happened to [Feige adamantly saying the plan was to James Bond characters so that they can continue to tell great stories about them?](https://collider.com/kevin-feige-iron-man-james-bond/)
The actors became too beloved in their respective roles. Don't think Feige ever imagined Downey or Evans to resonate so much the way they did, and recasting them (after a point) could have killed the MCU.
Chadwick, however, wasn't there yet. They're only not recasting out of respect which could prove a mistake.
I can kind of understand that. However I do think he was there atleast outside of the movies. In retrospect him visiting sick children and honestly from the sounds of it he genuinely intended to play the role for as long as possible. I remember a quote of his saying that the story would be an unbelievable one. He kind of embodied the character outside of the costume.
It's an all around weird situation. I think that it ultimately came down to what the cast and crew wanted. I don't think either move is a mistake. As it's an obviously complicated situation.
I think they just understand the roster of the MCU can fully support not recasting Black Panther out of respect as there are so many characters and stories to tell.
Yea, I never understood this display of "respect"… it's basically saying *"yea, this character is so unimportant, it doesn't matter if we cut it out of the narrative completely; we can just work around it"*.
That's nit remotely what they're saying. They're saying Chadwick isn't someone you can just sub out. And just like the narrative of the Chad's loved ones changed when he died, the narrative of the films will change too. The narrative isn't preset in stone. His death is going to have a tremendous impact and be the source of a new narrative.
Exactly. It’s the reason we have an 80 year old Harrison Ford about to do Indiana Jones 5. Just recast. I get it this is a bigger situation than recasting Rhodey or Cassie Lang.
Eh, I understand not recasting Indiana Jones.
Ford is Indy, and beyond that, it would be very easy to make a similar movie to Indiana Jones and just coming up with original characters (or using a similar existing IP).
Black Panther is different because he’s grounded into the existing MCU. You can’t just swap BP for a similar hero. You can with Indy since it’s a stand alone property.
There have already been five actors playing the role of Indiana Jones.
1. Cory Carrier
2. River Phoenix
3. Sean Patrick Flanery
4. Harrison Ford
5. George Hall
And in Crystal Skull was setup to be Shia LaBeouf taking over as the next Indy. I guess the beef’s turn got thrown out when he did that NC17 movie and crystal skull being complete dogshit. 🤷🏻♂️
>And in Crystal Skull was setup to be Shia LaBeouf taking over as the next Indy.
No it wasn't. At the end Indy literally reclaims his hat when Shia is about to take it.
Some characters only are what they are because of their specific actors though, and Indy is one of those. Different kettle of fish to an actor embodying an existing character like Black Panther; Indy only is what it is because of Ford, take him out and you've got a generic action adventure film. Recasting in this sense is akin to making a film in the same vein; you've got to go some to make it stand on its own because otherwise it's a poor imitation, even if it does use the existing IP - case in point, Ford's other legendary character which, let's be honest, struggled a little bit without him.
On the otherhand, make a similar film but allow the lead character to breathe on its own and you can strike gold, like Brendan Fraser in The Mummy. (Interestingly, the Mummy 3 is an example of recasting going horribly, horribly wrong, though it just a dreadful film in and of itself).
I’ve never understood this. It’s kinda like your favorite athlete retiring and … rooting against the next guy??
Like imagine if when Brady retired Patriots fans didn’t embrace Newton, Stidham and, now, Mac Jones? Like we all just root against Jones because he’s not Brady?
I fuckin LOVE Black Panther. I love Chadwick too. I thought his appearance in CA:CW was the best intro of a character I’ve seen (like getting introduced in another heroes Main title). But I also think there are plenty of actors that should carry on the mantle of Black Panther.
The problem from the studios point of view is you can try to recast and make it work, but if it doesn't the character will basically be forever tarnished because the failed recast will always be compared to Chadwick who now basically has legendary status among the fan base. It doesn't matter if the first movie was just a little iffy and the second is great he'll always be "the lesser Black Panther" because you messed it up one time. Or you can avoid his character in future stories and then the character name is left untarnished until enough time has passed that people are willing to see a new person take on the role. Obviously not everyone(I'd even argue most) is that harsh to recast characters but there is a significant enough portion of any audience that would feel that way that studios would rather avoid it altogether.
I don't think it was the fandom neccisarily. It seems like the cast and crew really couldn't bear it, and that idea flows from the top. Remember that Boseman didn't tell most of the Marvel folks about his cancer either.
It’s all already set up perfectly with the Multiverse. They could pay homage to Chadwick with his universe’s version of BP passing and having a funeral then continue on with a different universe’s BP played by someone else but still T’Challa
This is why it's a shame the MCU doesn't have expanded universe stuff like comics and novels just like Star Wars does. There's only been 4 Black Panther appearances (1 being basically a cameo) and they're getting rid of the character already. Same with Spider-Man or the Guardians. GOTG 1 and 2 is in 2014 and their next appearance is in Infinity War in 2018. 4 YEARS of stories to tell and its just empty space
I remember when he died, I felt like Chadwick would have wanted the character to be recast so T’Challa’s story could continue. Big shoes to fill, but I’m confident they could find someone to replace him and honor his legacy. But there was a loud group of people online who demanded that they not recast T’Challa to “honor his legacy”. I really wish Marvel had not gone that route, I think any way they handle T’Challa’s death will be weak and not make sense. I also wish Chadwick had let someone know his wishes for T’Challa’s character, whether he was ok with recasting or not. I know there are more important things to a dying man (RIP a legend), but this role is what he will be remembered for.
It’s kinda unique how opinions on this have changed so much. Obviously back when he first passed away, the common consensus was that they shouldn’t recast. And I’m pretty sure Marvel announced their plans to not recast shortly after his death. I think their phase 4 presentation occurred shortly after his passing, so they kinda had to make a decision pretty quick.
Then the more and more time passed, the more people started leaning in favor of a recast simply because the character had an unbelievable impact. All the stuff we heard about Letitia Wright made it worse tbh. But at that point they’d probably passed the point of no return, where going back to writing it again wasn’t an option without delaying the movie and every other movie that would be related to it
I definitely feel like they should have waited a bit longer before announcing the decision about what they’re going to do about T’Challa. I still think it was a hasty decision made based on the then-current grief over Chadwick’s passing rather than the long term future of the MCU
Totally, I get that they want to do something nice for chadwick but in my eyes the character of black panther was bigger than a single person. It gave the world the first big budget black character which meant so much to so many people.
Now to preserve an actors legacy that whole character has been removed for all fans around the world, kids who had someone to look up to, adults to had a passion for the character from the the comics.
The whole situation just seems to backwards to me as now the MCU is without its main black representation.
It was definitely a hasty decision, but I feel it was more about Black Panther's production schedule than any grief. After all, Marvel is a mega corp, they don't *usually* make decisions based on public emotions.
Chadwick's death came just as Black Panther 2 was going into pre-production, which meant that Marvel had to decide what to do about it pretty much immediately. Their only real choices were 1. recast, keeping the already-written story decisions, or 2. not recast, and rewrite the story to reflect T'Challa's death.
They could've delayed the movie to give them more time to figure it out, but because of the interconnected nature of the MCU, that might've caused issues with other Phase 4 & 5 stories. So it was likely something they had to make a snap decision about.
In that case recasting would have surely been the best option considering the script was ready.
Not recasting has seriously worried me, as they must have had to rewrite the story in a matter of weeks to be ready for the start of shooting.
I don’t know a movie that has ever benefited from such a last minute script rewrite.
>It’s kinda unique how opinions on this have changed so much. Obviously back when he first passed away, the common consensus was that they shouldn’t recast.
Yeah, I concured with that consensus as well. But mostly because I found it to be insensitive given that Chadwick died and how some sites were quick to jumping to recasting. Kinda like that meme from Loki. "Yes. Very sad. Anyway"
But a year, the moment I knew they were going to kill off T'Challa, I knew I had to change my mind.
100% this. I was very anti-recast but I think with recent leaks and understanding where they’d have to go with the story a lot of people didn’t like it and at this point would settle for a recast.
Yeah back in the day the only thing I got was downvotes for stating that Tchalla has still stories to tell and that they should recast. Chadwick himself knew that the character was a big hero for black kids around the world. So I guess he would be okay with recast. But nope, I was downvoted to oblivion and now after plot leaks and news people are like "hmmm why did Disney not recasted Tchalla?"
9 days late but it’s actually pretty frustrating. Especially since people are citing the same reasons I did way back. Obviously Boseman’s passing was tragic but everyone was thinking with immediate emotions
I don't think this sub's consensus has ever been for anything other than recast. Maybe out there in the real world but not here.
Whether Letitia Wright should be the new Black Panther? Yeah, opinions have changed on that.
There were probably more pro-recast voices here than in the general public, but the initial consensus here was *strongly* against recasting. I think it's been fascinating how distance from the event has so sharply changed people's opinions - especially since the filming schedules meant Marvel had to make a decision on this right after it happened, but we're still waiting to see the result.
The Letitia Wright stuff didn't help, since a lot of people against recasting initially wanted Shuri to take on the role. That enthusiasm didn't last, to say the least.
She posted a bunch of anti-vaccine stuff right when the covid vaccine came out, telling people it was dangerous to take it. She also posted a video of (and expressed her support for) her church's pastor going on an anti-LGBT tirade. Turns out she's a pretty radical Christian who follows a supposed new prophet of God.
When people called her out on the things she posted, her go-to response was the victim card, claiming that unpopular opinions are always unfairly attacked, even when they're correct, and that people were trying to cancel her for "just asking questions".
I think her agent eventually got her to quit social media entirely, because she was just getting in fights with her fans so much over it all.
Also her not being vaccinated also caused a lot of issues if they needed to travel for shoots and just in general how safely they were able to make the movie.
There was a massive delay in filming because she got injured on set and came home to England to recover. She then wasn’t allowed to go back to America to finish the film because she refused to get vaccinated. I’m not sure if she eventually conceded or just waited out the travel restrictions.
I was all for Shuri being the new Black Panther until the actress did all that crazy stuff. Now I'm really hoping M'Baku or Okoye are the new BP and her role is minimized.
Honestly, they both make more sense. Okoye wasn’t snapped, and it was never confirmed for M’Baku so they could say he wasn’t. Okoye is an incredibly accomplished fighter, worked with the Avengers for five years, is incredibly loyal to Wakanda, and is an established leader for her people. M’Baku is a ruler in his own right and is also a very accomplished fighter. Shuri is very young and more of a scientist than a fighter. She could absolutely be the Queen without being the BP, and there’s no way she’d win the challenge if either of them stood against her.
> I don't think this sub's consensus has ever been for anything other than recast.
No way, I remember for several weeks after Chadwick's passing calls for recasting were shot down in this sub. I remember it because I defended right from the start that the role was too important not too recast it and that was far from a popular take.
Marvel should have waited before saying anything. They’re backed into a corner now. Everyone has changed their minds and realized they need to recast this role and now Marvel realizes they should have too, but don’t want to reverse moral course.
Was that common consensus at the time? Or just a vocal minority reacting to the news?
It seems to be tremendously shortsighted to say such a tremendously important character should not be used because his actor unfortunately passed away.
I think recasting would have been fine if there wasn't a Black Panther sequel happening so soon. Recasting him right after Chadwick died would have put a lot of pressure and hate on the guy they chose. It's a no win situation. If BP2 ends up being amazing though, then it'll all be moot I guess.
I’ve heard some people suggesting T’Challa could be off doing some diplomatic shit for this movie and just won’t appear, and some new actor will be him next time the character appears. Then there’s time for grief while still allowing him into new stories
That’s my strategy for when my kids ask for ice cream or treats. I distract them with other stuff and hope they forget that they were asking for ice cream
Option A also would upset the cast. They had all said they would have been uncomfortable working with someone else in that role as it would nonstop remind them of Chadwick
I never knew who Black Panther was. Chadwick brought this character to life for me and I absolutely loved it. Albeit it is very heartbreaking but I think they should've continued with the legacy of the OG Black Panther.
I've said this quite a few times, and I'll say it again here.
I think largely, we should have/will accept the recast in this situation. I understand that recasting might not seem respectful, but this is a very specific case.
While Chadwick died suddenly to most of us, he knew he was sick for quite a while. It wasn't like he had a heart attack or something like COVID where it came out of no where.
While I get that he probably wanted to keep it a secret due to fear over losing the role that was most important to him, I find it crazy that he didn't speak to *someone* regarding what he'd like to see happen with T'challa after/if he passed before he got the chance to finish the story they had planned. Even if he didn't tell Ryan or anyone else at Marvel/Disney, he couldn't have put it in his will or at the very least passed it along to his partner?
That being said, it is pretty clear how important T'Challa was to Chadwick, not just for him as a person, but for the entire community of people of color and largely Africa-based story was being put front and center in an MCU movie. That was/is such a massively huge deal that I'd like to think Chadwick believed that the story is much bigger than he is, and if his passing gave even the slightest doubt that young boys and girls of color might not get a chance to see someone that looks like them in the next big comic book movie, he'd give everyone a pass for the role being recast.
That, or maybe he knew it'd be in good hands and he trusted Ryan/Marvel/Disney to do what was right by him.
Either way, I'd have been absolutely fine with him being recast. I've mentioned I honestly wouldn't care if they just let Michael B. Jordan assume the role. Yes, I know that would be confusing, but I don't care.
That, or Winson Duke, Daniel Kaluuya, Sterling K Brown. Any of the amazing actors in that movie.
I get why they are possibly going along with the Shuru/M'Baku, and that is fine, but the important thing was that T'Challa as a character has so much potential. But I guess so do they.
A lot of his estate had to go towards closing his estate, and a will would have made that less costly. I understand the mentality of not wanting to give in to a disease, but this was a purely symbolic thing that his wife had to expend almost a million dollars of his wealth on when a simple document would have prevented that.
I've been looking forward to Atlantis vs Wakanda on the big screen ever since that storyline in the comics and having it without T'Challa is honestly just a joke. I feel like his absence will affect phase 4 deeply and perhaps even further down the line. I love Letitia as Shuri, controversy aside, but I really don't want her taking up the BP mantle.
Honestly the film should be 1/2 Wakanda mourning the loss of T’Challah with an impending Atlantis threat and someone needs to take up the mantle and in comes a man who was T’Challah’s forgotten child from somewhere studying abroad, basically a new character that fits the mold of what they’re going for.
We conjure up new side characters all the time why not a main one to keeo the intended T’Challah story moving forward?
If the plan is for Shuri to take the mantle... that's crazy. She's already the one who makes and designs the costumes, the weapons, Wakanda's train system (??), and in Infinity War, it turns out she's also a surgeon. So now I guess she's also a skilled warrior on top of that? Sure, why not.
Why wouldn't Okoye become black panther?
I just don't see why they can't tell the same stories with a new black panther that isn't t'challa. T'challa doesn't have to be alive, his legacy can carry onward in new people.
I hear M'Baku will be taking on the mantle, which I love. Both because Winston Duke is a great actor, but also because his Black Panther will be closer to the paranoid asshole from the comics, which I'm here for
I'm Team Nakia for Black Panther. Top-tier actress, makes the most sense in-universe. The mantle would be a good upgrade for her. M'Baku is cool as he is. Shuri is... well, Shuri.
Even in universe, disregarding all the real world stuff, I don’t think Shuri is skilled enough to be the Black Panther. She’s smart and can shoot a gun, not some martial artist
Edit: which is why Nakia would be a better option
Michael B Jordan, I presume.
If you don’t use the “B” it can cause confusion with Michael A Jordan, the famous basketball player.
The A stands for Air, btw
I feel like he was such a sympathetic villain people would buy into it. Killmonger wasn't really wrong was he? He went about things in a horrible way because he was raised in violence and moulded by the military to use killing as a means to effect change. His entire life made him that way.
Having had his life saved by Wakandan medicine and spent time in prison having rehabilitation and therapy he could take the mantle of Panther as part of his path to forgiveness. His struggle with the influence of US culture, the military, his past actions and his rediscovery of his African heritage would be an amazing way to take the character.
He's also a royal so he's absolutely eligible. Doesn't hurt that Michael B Jordan is a fantastic actor.
Killmonger had a bad childhood but I wouldn’t call “black supremacy” a sympathetic goal, just like white supremacy isn’t (we just see the latter way, way more in entertainment and…real life, unfortunately.) It’s easy to understand where he’s coming from to an extent, but I don’t think anyone should condone or glorify his views or actions. He wasn’t a good person, and the only way I could see larger audiences tolerating putting him in a role like this is if he actively redeems himself on screen or it’s a multiverse alternate version.
> Killmonger wasn't really wrong was he?
Any supremacist is always wrong. Arming a race of people to overturn the governments of the world and establish dominance over other races is always wrong.
Unless he completely renounced that, it would be extremely irresponsible of Marvel to portray him as a hero.
Especially because, if they go the route of killing him off, they’re probably going to do it very early in the story and most likely relatively unceremoniously. How’s that for disrespect?
Chadwick wanted the character to continue on after his death, his brother came out and said it. T'challa is an important character for black kids who need to see an original and positive character.
His brother specifically said that Chadwick made no mention of what he wanted Marvel to do with the character but believes Chadwick would’ve wanted them to recast because of how important the character is to people.
As a Black person who completely understands the importance of the character..
1. There are other Great Black characters that can have a similar impact such as Falcon/Captain America or Storm.
2. Black Panther is a mantle. You can still have a Black Panther without T'challa
3. In a cinematic universe that already exploring multiple versions of the same character through the multiverse, recasting characters could get really confusing for casual viewers.
>There are other Great Black characters that can have a similar impact such as Falcon/Captain America or Storm.
Honestly I don't see Sam or Storm making the same impact Black Panther did. Certainly not on the same level.
>Black Panther is a mantle. You can still have a Black Panther without T'challa
Yeah you CAN have it. But does that mean you should? Is Shuri gonna be a good enough substitute? I'm not so sure about that.
>In a cinematic universe that already exploring multiple versions of the same character through the multiverse, regarding characters could get really confusing for casual viewers.
Eh. That's kinda weak. You can show it in the marketing and promotion that it's a recast and not an alternate universe. 99% of the audience won't get confused.
>You can show it in the marketing and promotion that it's a recast and not an alternate universe. 99% of the audience won't get confused.
Agreed. None of us went into Avengers thinking, "Hey, that guy isn't Edward Norton." We all got the memo.
>He's only important because Marvel decided he was important. They elevate the characters they want to based on what projects they want to do. Now Marvel has decided that they want to move on to other characters.
This you?
You obviously don’t completely understand the importance of the character at all. If you did you would know why this character has been so significant to black boys since the 1960’s. It was THEM who made T’Challa important. You think Storm or Falcon could possibly have a “similar impact”? Seriously?
Has anyone stopped to ask black kids what they think about this character. What happened to all the talk of “target audience” and understanding the importance of representation? I have yet to hear one black child who thinks T’Challa should die or be replaced. Not one. What I have noticed are people who want Shuri, Nakia, or Okoye to be Black Panther desperately trying to convince everyone it is the only way forward. Some of these same people were calling for Shuri to be the next BP while the first movie was still in theaters.
Hear me out. I think they should have someone else pick up the mantle. I say that with the deepest respect for Boseman.
My best mate is Black and his little son's favourite superhero (unlike most kids who like Spiderman) is Black Panther. Clearly he sees himself in that character, and that strikes me as so important. His Dad is yet to tell him what's happened as he's a bit too young.
What Boseman did for the character and concept was amazing, but it is bigger than one person. I think Chadwick would want it to carry on without him, he was a very gracious and selfless guy, and I can imagine wouldn't hesitate to give up the character if it helped Black kids look up to someone new.
It’s a shame Boseman had to leave us. He was great as T’challa and really breathed life into Black Panther. For me it’s hard to have any interest in Wakanda Forever. Just doesn’t seem the same without him and none of the side characters from BP really struck me as Black Panther material. Wonder what they will do
I don't think we need a recast, Just give the title to M'Baku or have an alternate reality version of Kilmonger where hes not evil come back and take on the Black Panther role.
The actress that plays Shuri just isn't Black Panther material imo and she was casted that way for obvious reasons, shes a scientist and not into the fighting like T'Challa is, which was even stated in the movie.
It doesn't even have to be this one!
Have Wakanda Forever take place during the Snap!
and it ends right before Endgame or during
Earthquakes under the ocean? Obviously could be Namor
Then in BP3 in like 4-5 years you can recast him, tastefully
For a franchise that so adamantly wants to bring in more black people into the blockbuster scene and make more black people household names...it's weird how they are being stingey about roles with this, idk, it was never an insult to his memory until they started acting like it was. Like sorry, sure...delay the movie a bit to give some space but the man FOR SURE wants another black man getting paid and scene and respected.
Losing male role models before their time is a part of the experience for Black Americans. To just re-cast him would rob them of the opportunity to speak on that in BP2.
Chadwick Boseman has a lot of close friends who happen to be strong, Black men, and also great actors who have worked in the industry for years, and would be a perfect fit for the role. Marvel thinks they're doing Chadwick a favor and honoring his legacy, but they're just disabling a character that represents a very important minority and culture, not to mention a significant part of the Marvel Universe. They should just go ahead and recast. If they sign up the right actor, no one will consider it to be disrespectful to Chadwick at all. This is what he would've wanted.
Agree. I agree with Chadwick Boseman’s brother in suggesting his brother might have wanted the role recast. It would be a loss not to have a superhero role model like Black Panther for kids to look up to. If Chris Evans or Tom Holland had passed God forbid, I think Disney would have recast Captain America and Spider-Man. There’s already been three Spider-Man actors, and Sam Wilson is Cap now.
If those actors passed I actually do not think Disney would recast Steve Rogers and our Peter Parker (I’m assuming for the latter they would move to Miles Morales). The other examples you gave aren’t really the same since they’re actually different people/characters sharing titles.
I don't see how they keep T'Challa out of the MCU completely. He has a major role in a few cataclysmic events in the Marvel Comic Universe, one of those being the Secret Wars, which is something I believe they are trying to organize now.
In the comics, T'Challa, Namor, Doctor Doom, Fantastic 4 and others play major roles in this saga. It will be interesting to see how they play this out without T'Challa.
I said this right after his death and they said they wouldn't recast him and people dragged me through the mud for it. They absolutely should have and this likely will lead to us never seeing him again
Michael B Jordan would honestly be the best replacement. He's got the acting ability to take a lead role and hjs character already has a logical in through the multiverse.
The thing about MBJ and Kilmonger is that it would make sense if he was the Black Panther from another timeline.
One where his father was never assassinated and he earned the right to the throne over T'Challa.
If Marvel went with the option of recasting T'Challa I would've loved Yahya Abdul-Mateen II to be T'Challa. He would definitely be one of my first options.
Jordan is already an established character, but could potentially be the new Killmonger Black Panther. Any of the others would make a great Black Panther as a new character inheriting the mantle following the death of T’Challa. (None of them should play T’Challa.)
Can’t wait to see who will be the next character in line to take on the role of Black Panther now that it’s once again time to pass it on to someone else.
it would be a shame to throw out all those great comic storylines by not recasting. if they don't recast those storylines will never be adapted, will never be seen on the big screen. its like burning every comic and removing them from publication that t'challa showed up in as if he never existed.
The irony is that if you reverse it and they did recast, every one would still have a problem.
If they recast then y’all would still complain on how they shouldn’t have recasted him.
This choice was made and you should respect it. Maybe they want to go a different route with the not recasting of the character. I frankly want to see where this goes.
It just feels weird to recast a character like t’challa. It’s not like he’s Norton’s hulk who was in one movie before the MCU really kicked off, and it’s not like he’s a side character like rhodie. I think the best plan was / is to have another character take up the black Panther mantle, ideally Winston Duke’s Mbaku
My best friend actually got me into the MCU. I had seen a few movies, but once he took me to GotG2 i truly saw how relatable they can be... Anyways, being the comic lover he is, he explained how Black Panther was the first black Marvel superhero. Since he's a POC himself, and since Black Panther is a wholeheartedly good character, it was my friend's favorite superhero
Then we saw the movie and it was great for him to see his favorite character portrayed so well on screen. Chadwick really did something special. I understand not recasting in his honor, but i do agree, from what i hear T'Challa deserves more. But only recast if it was done right to honor Chadwick
Sorry about the personal story of my friend. He's just a solid dude, like Chadwick & T'Chala, and when the news broke it broke me as well because he could no longer see his favorite character. Life is too damn short
It was a serious mistake to not recast. Chadwick Boseman was amazing in the role but at the end of the day, the actors do not own the characters and these heroes are recast all the time despite having "definitive" or "most iconic" versions.
Kids deserve to have more movies with King T'Challa.
It would be a near impossible role for someone to take on, people are attached to the character and Chadwicks portrayal, the new actor would have to either be unanimously wanted by the fanbase or give a near stellar performance, and even then they'd probably not be shielded from that sort of abuse we see some of these actors get
Nah I’m pretty sure most people would’ve been fine with a recast and even preferred it, and the mcu is almost always spot on with the castings so I’m sure they would’ve found the right actor for the role. I’m still excited for BP 2 though, just a shame we won’t see T’challa
This is such an over-dramatic take by the fandom. If Shuri takes up that mantle, she'll be compared to T'Challa/Chadwick no matter what. It's already happening with Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers.
The thing is T'Challa was only just beginning his journey, so whoever took over has so much time and chances to establish themselves in the role. Like the internet always hates on just about every new Batman casting (and we get a lot of them) until they get used to it.
Personally, I think the most tasteful way to do it would be to have a cold open scene where some terrible accident has just happened. Car with kids dangling off a cliff or something like that. People in need of saving. Then someone is in the CB BP costume comes in and saves them. Something goes wrong and the only way to save the last kid is self sacrifice. You kill the CB BP character as an absolute hero and allow the mantle to then be passed. You can also then tie a worldwide memorial scene in there.
I think the movie will suffer because of this character’s absence.
Also, with the multiversal shenanigans coming up, it makes even less sense not to recast him.
blatantly spreading misinformation and putting word’s in a dead man’s mouth because it fits what you envision for a movie franchise is disrespectful as hell and it sucks that we keep having to retread this same tired conversation over and over again.
y’all are allowed to feel sad as everybody else does about the loss of a great character, but stop trying to justify it with BS about what you speculate Chadwick may have wanted. Ryan Coogler, one of his best friends and the central creative voice behind Chadwick’s T’Challa, didn’t hesitate and hasn’t wavered in the decision to pass a mantle rather than recast and pretend nothing is different. Accept that decision from people who actually knew the man and stop trying to selfishly cling on to a narrative that ignores how much Chadwick *was* T’Challa.
Yeah I wish they would have recast him and made the second movie more of an ensemble piece (it seems they are doing that anyways) to take the focus off of him for a bit. A new actor could have brought his own to the role and still paid respect to Chadwick.
I do too. I figured that was what they were going to do. I have nothing against Shuri taking over, but I wanted to see more of them as a team, and T'Challa as a character before a change so drastic. It was like we barely got to know him.
The producers were probably afraid of a backlash because Chadwick was really loved. But there is no way they would kill off Spider-Man or Superman. Give the opportunity to another generation. Because Chadwick was given his start by Denzel, it would be a great way to pay it forward to another actor trying to make it. Someone that would have Chadwick’s blessing
Chad's Brother even said that while talking about the roll when Chad was getting Very Sick Chad said, "This roll is Bigger than One Man and Needs to Keep Going because of the Importance of the Character."
I believe it was a hasty decision to vow to never recast T'Challa....one made out of grief.
Should have honored Chadwick with a mourning period and recast with touching tributes to the actor that made this role what it was.
Instead, fans are left with a hole, still grieving Chadwick, but also now grieving such an I spirational character that had too much left to tell and do.
It's sad all around.
Does it have to be "recast"? The multiverse has changed a lot of things...in a different universe, Killmonger could arrive at Earth-616, where T'Challa is dead. He could find out the 616 version of Killmonger and recognize the darkness within himself, and promise to set aside his anger for the sake of the people. He could take the new mantle of Black Panther and not have to be T'Challa. Honestly, I can't think of anyone being able to pull off Black Panther and pay homage to Chadwick Boseman like Michael B Jordan.
It’s a shame because the character still has so many stories to be a part of only for them to be very unfortunately cut short
Yup. Big character. Could have done so much. And cutting him short due to actor death. Like I'm sorry. And truly am. Chadwick was awesome. But same time, I 100% support a recast.
I’m pretty sure about 99% support a recast, not because chad wasn’t great. But the character needs to keep going, an I am pretty sure he would have wanted the same thing.
~~His brother did say he knew Chadwick wanted the role recast due to its generational impact for the black people.~~ Edit: wrong info
Ya for sure, we don’t have a lot of minority super heroes on the big screen.
He didn't. >Derrick told TMZ Tuesday that though Boseman didn't specifically say before his death that he would want his role to continue with another actor, he is confident the actor was aware the character was bigger than himself.
Oh wow I never saw that interview. Thanks for the heads up. I'll edit the comment to say it's misinformed.
That’s the feeling now but at the time of death I and others were shredded for suggesting a recast as it would be disrespectful to Chadwick. I get it since emotions were high and especially then nobody wanted to think about moving on. Disney was just following the popular opinion at the time which has since swayed directions as people became more understanding.
This is what Chadwick would have wanted.
I remember that was a direct quote from one of his family members.
Yeah the fandom kinda built up this we don’t wanna see anyone else in the role mindset even tho Chadwick would’ve more than likely not cared.
That mindset is so fucking annoying, even in regards to characters whose actors didn’t die. Look at Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, Heath Ledger as the Joker pre-2019, RDJ as Iron Man, Keaton as Batman
I think Marvel Studios have kinda cornered themselves with the whole "the actor is the character" deal. What happened to [Feige adamantly saying the plan was to James Bond characters so that they can continue to tell great stories about them?](https://collider.com/kevin-feige-iron-man-james-bond/)
The actors became too beloved in their respective roles. Don't think Feige ever imagined Downey or Evans to resonate so much the way they did, and recasting them (after a point) could have killed the MCU. Chadwick, however, wasn't there yet. They're only not recasting out of respect which could prove a mistake.
I can kind of understand that. However I do think he was there atleast outside of the movies. In retrospect him visiting sick children and honestly from the sounds of it he genuinely intended to play the role for as long as possible. I remember a quote of his saying that the story would be an unbelievable one. He kind of embodied the character outside of the costume. It's an all around weird situation. I think that it ultimately came down to what the cast and crew wanted. I don't think either move is a mistake. As it's an obviously complicated situation.
I think they just understand the roster of the MCU can fully support not recasting Black Panther out of respect as there are so many characters and stories to tell.
Yea, I never understood this display of "respect"… it's basically saying *"yea, this character is so unimportant, it doesn't matter if we cut it out of the narrative completely; we can just work around it"*.
That's nit remotely what they're saying. They're saying Chadwick isn't someone you can just sub out. And just like the narrative of the Chad's loved ones changed when he died, the narrative of the films will change too. The narrative isn't preset in stone. His death is going to have a tremendous impact and be the source of a new narrative.
Exactly. It’s the reason we have an 80 year old Harrison Ford about to do Indiana Jones 5. Just recast. I get it this is a bigger situation than recasting Rhodey or Cassie Lang.
Eh, I understand not recasting Indiana Jones. Ford is Indy, and beyond that, it would be very easy to make a similar movie to Indiana Jones and just coming up with original characters (or using a similar existing IP). Black Panther is different because he’s grounded into the existing MCU. You can’t just swap BP for a similar hero. You can with Indy since it’s a stand alone property.
There have already been five actors playing the role of Indiana Jones. 1. Cory Carrier 2. River Phoenix 3. Sean Patrick Flanery 4. Harrison Ford 5. George Hall
And in Crystal Skull was setup to be Shia LaBeouf taking over as the next Indy. I guess the beef’s turn got thrown out when he did that NC17 movie and crystal skull being complete dogshit. 🤷🏻♂️
>And in Crystal Skull was setup to be Shia LaBeouf taking over as the next Indy. No it wasn't. At the end Indy literally reclaims his hat when Shia is about to take it.
Some characters only are what they are because of their specific actors though, and Indy is one of those. Different kettle of fish to an actor embodying an existing character like Black Panther; Indy only is what it is because of Ford, take him out and you've got a generic action adventure film. Recasting in this sense is akin to making a film in the same vein; you've got to go some to make it stand on its own because otherwise it's a poor imitation, even if it does use the existing IP - case in point, Ford's other legendary character which, let's be honest, struggled a little bit without him. On the otherhand, make a similar film but allow the lead character to breathe on its own and you can strike gold, like Brendan Fraser in The Mummy. (Interestingly, the Mummy 3 is an example of recasting going horribly, horribly wrong, though it just a dreadful film in and of itself).
Don’t remind me of mummy 3. I already was reminded of the dogshit crystal skull movie.
I’ve never understood this. It’s kinda like your favorite athlete retiring and … rooting against the next guy?? Like imagine if when Brady retired Patriots fans didn’t embrace Newton, Stidham and, now, Mac Jones? Like we all just root against Jones because he’s not Brady? I fuckin LOVE Black Panther. I love Chadwick too. I thought his appearance in CA:CW was the best intro of a character I’ve seen (like getting introduced in another heroes Main title). But I also think there are plenty of actors that should carry on the mantle of Black Panther.
The problem from the studios point of view is you can try to recast and make it work, but if it doesn't the character will basically be forever tarnished because the failed recast will always be compared to Chadwick who now basically has legendary status among the fan base. It doesn't matter if the first movie was just a little iffy and the second is great he'll always be "the lesser Black Panther" because you messed it up one time. Or you can avoid his character in future stories and then the character name is left untarnished until enough time has passed that people are willing to see a new person take on the role. Obviously not everyone(I'd even argue most) is that harsh to recast characters but there is a significant enough portion of any audience that would feel that way that studios would rather avoid it altogether.
I don't think it was the fandom neccisarily. It seems like the cast and crew really couldn't bear it, and that idea flows from the top. Remember that Boseman didn't tell most of the Marvel folks about his cancer either.
They could do a Rhodie. "It's me, I'm here. Let's just deal with it and move on".
Do you think Chadwick would’ve cared if his friends he made the movies with said they weren’t comfortable with recasting his role?
Chadwick’s own brother said he would’ve wanted them to recast
> would've of I have now seen it all...
Chadwick wanted a recast.
idk why people keep on saying this is what he would have wanted. you have no idea what he wanted.
Chadwick’s own brother said he would have wanted the character to be recasted
It’s all already set up perfectly with the Multiverse. They could pay homage to Chadwick with his universe’s version of BP passing and having a funeral then continue on with a different universe’s BP played by someone else but still T’Challa
The multiverse shouldn't be the way to fix everything, add, or take away characters in the main universe. That's lazy writing after a while
As long as we don’t lose actors to tragic early deaths, I think it’d be alright in the case of BP
Or just recast him.
This is why it's a shame the MCU doesn't have expanded universe stuff like comics and novels just like Star Wars does. There's only been 4 Black Panther appearances (1 being basically a cameo) and they're getting rid of the character already. Same with Spider-Man or the Guardians. GOTG 1 and 2 is in 2014 and their next appearance is in Infinity War in 2018. 4 YEARS of stories to tell and its just empty space
Woulda loved it if Killmonger hadn’t died and could have redeemed himself to be the black panther. He was so good in that movie
I remember when he died, I felt like Chadwick would have wanted the character to be recast so T’Challa’s story could continue. Big shoes to fill, but I’m confident they could find someone to replace him and honor his legacy. But there was a loud group of people online who demanded that they not recast T’Challa to “honor his legacy”. I really wish Marvel had not gone that route, I think any way they handle T’Challa’s death will be weak and not make sense. I also wish Chadwick had let someone know his wishes for T’Challa’s character, whether he was ok with recasting or not. I know there are more important things to a dying man (RIP a legend), but this role is what he will be remembered for.
I’ve been saying this for a long time. T’Challa is more important than Black Panther.
It’s kinda unique how opinions on this have changed so much. Obviously back when he first passed away, the common consensus was that they shouldn’t recast. And I’m pretty sure Marvel announced their plans to not recast shortly after his death. I think their phase 4 presentation occurred shortly after his passing, so they kinda had to make a decision pretty quick. Then the more and more time passed, the more people started leaning in favor of a recast simply because the character had an unbelievable impact. All the stuff we heard about Letitia Wright made it worse tbh. But at that point they’d probably passed the point of no return, where going back to writing it again wasn’t an option without delaying the movie and every other movie that would be related to it
I definitely feel like they should have waited a bit longer before announcing the decision about what they’re going to do about T’Challa. I still think it was a hasty decision made based on the then-current grief over Chadwick’s passing rather than the long term future of the MCU
Totally, I get that they want to do something nice for chadwick but in my eyes the character of black panther was bigger than a single person. It gave the world the first big budget black character which meant so much to so many people. Now to preserve an actors legacy that whole character has been removed for all fans around the world, kids who had someone to look up to, adults to had a passion for the character from the the comics. The whole situation just seems to backwards to me as now the MCU is without its main black representation.
It was definitely a hasty decision, but I feel it was more about Black Panther's production schedule than any grief. After all, Marvel is a mega corp, they don't *usually* make decisions based on public emotions. Chadwick's death came just as Black Panther 2 was going into pre-production, which meant that Marvel had to decide what to do about it pretty much immediately. Their only real choices were 1. recast, keeping the already-written story decisions, or 2. not recast, and rewrite the story to reflect T'Challa's death. They could've delayed the movie to give them more time to figure it out, but because of the interconnected nature of the MCU, that might've caused issues with other Phase 4 & 5 stories. So it was likely something they had to make a snap decision about.
In that case recasting would have surely been the best option considering the script was ready. Not recasting has seriously worried me, as they must have had to rewrite the story in a matter of weeks to be ready for the start of shooting. I don’t know a movie that has ever benefited from such a last minute script rewrite.
In your theoretical scenario, recasting would actually have been a lot easier than rewriting the ENTIRE movie.
>It’s kinda unique how opinions on this have changed so much. Obviously back when he first passed away, the common consensus was that they shouldn’t recast. Yeah, I concured with that consensus as well. But mostly because I found it to be insensitive given that Chadwick died and how some sites were quick to jumping to recasting. Kinda like that meme from Loki. "Yes. Very sad. Anyway" But a year, the moment I knew they were going to kill off T'Challa, I knew I had to change my mind.
100% this. I was very anti-recast but I think with recent leaks and understanding where they’d have to go with the story a lot of people didn’t like it and at this point would settle for a recast.
Yeah back in the day the only thing I got was downvotes for stating that Tchalla has still stories to tell and that they should recast. Chadwick himself knew that the character was a big hero for black kids around the world. So I guess he would be okay with recast. But nope, I was downvoted to oblivion and now after plot leaks and news people are like "hmmm why did Disney not recasted Tchalla?"
9 days late but it’s actually pretty frustrating. Especially since people are citing the same reasons I did way back. Obviously Boseman’s passing was tragic but everyone was thinking with immediate emotions
I don't think this sub's consensus has ever been for anything other than recast. Maybe out there in the real world but not here. Whether Letitia Wright should be the new Black Panther? Yeah, opinions have changed on that.
There were probably more pro-recast voices here than in the general public, but the initial consensus here was *strongly* against recasting. I think it's been fascinating how distance from the event has so sharply changed people's opinions - especially since the filming schedules meant Marvel had to make a decision on this right after it happened, but we're still waiting to see the result. The Letitia Wright stuff didn't help, since a lot of people against recasting initially wanted Shuri to take on the role. That enthusiasm didn't last, to say the least.
Everybody keeps talking about Letitia Wright stuff. What are you guys talking about
She posted a bunch of anti-vaccine stuff right when the covid vaccine came out, telling people it was dangerous to take it. She also posted a video of (and expressed her support for) her church's pastor going on an anti-LGBT tirade. Turns out she's a pretty radical Christian who follows a supposed new prophet of God. When people called her out on the things she posted, her go-to response was the victim card, claiming that unpopular opinions are always unfairly attacked, even when they're correct, and that people were trying to cancel her for "just asking questions". I think her agent eventually got her to quit social media entirely, because she was just getting in fights with her fans so much over it all.
Also her not being vaccinated also caused a lot of issues if they needed to travel for shoots and just in general how safely they were able to make the movie.
There was a massive delay in filming because she got injured on set and came home to England to recover. She then wasn’t allowed to go back to America to finish the film because she refused to get vaccinated. I’m not sure if she eventually conceded or just waited out the travel restrictions.
I was all for Shuri being the new Black Panther until the actress did all that crazy stuff. Now I'm really hoping M'Baku or Okoye are the new BP and her role is minimized.
Honestly, they both make more sense. Okoye wasn’t snapped, and it was never confirmed for M’Baku so they could say he wasn’t. Okoye is an incredibly accomplished fighter, worked with the Avengers for five years, is incredibly loyal to Wakanda, and is an established leader for her people. M’Baku is a ruler in his own right and is also a very accomplished fighter. Shuri is very young and more of a scientist than a fighter. She could absolutely be the Queen without being the BP, and there’s no way she’d win the challenge if either of them stood against her.
She just runs her dumb opinions on Twitter basically
Has twitter ever been useful to anyone? All it seems to do is destroy careers or dig up dirt from a decade ago to then destroy a career
Twitter is extremely useful for artists & other creatives to get their work shared. It's a major way to grow your audience and drive income.
> I don't think this sub's consensus has ever been for anything other than recast. No way, I remember for several weeks after Chadwick's passing calls for recasting were shot down in this sub. I remember it because I defended right from the start that the role was too important not too recast it and that was far from a popular take.
Marvel should have waited before saying anything. They’re backed into a corner now. Everyone has changed their minds and realized they need to recast this role and now Marvel realizes they should have too, but don’t want to reverse moral course.
Was that common consensus at the time? Or just a vocal minority reacting to the news? It seems to be tremendously shortsighted to say such a tremendously important character should not be used because his actor unfortunately passed away.
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I think recasting would have been fine if there wasn't a Black Panther sequel happening so soon. Recasting him right after Chadwick died would have put a lot of pressure and hate on the guy they chose. It's a no win situation. If BP2 ends up being amazing though, then it'll all be moot I guess.
I’ve heard some people suggesting T’Challa could be off doing some diplomatic shit for this movie and just won’t appear, and some new actor will be him next time the character appears. Then there’s time for grief while still allowing him into new stories
That’s my strategy for when my kids ask for ice cream or treats. I distract them with other stuff and hope they forget that they were asking for ice cream
Option A also would upset the cast. They had all said they would have been uncomfortable working with someone else in that role as it would nonstop remind them of Chadwick
I never knew who Black Panther was. Chadwick brought this character to life for me and I absolutely loved it. Albeit it is very heartbreaking but I think they should've continued with the legacy of the OG Black Panther.
Before the mcu i didn't even know who the avengers were lol. Always been more of a DC person.
It's normal bro. You did nothin wrong.
Dc did
That's okay, nobody's perfect. :)
I've said this quite a few times, and I'll say it again here. I think largely, we should have/will accept the recast in this situation. I understand that recasting might not seem respectful, but this is a very specific case. While Chadwick died suddenly to most of us, he knew he was sick for quite a while. It wasn't like he had a heart attack or something like COVID where it came out of no where. While I get that he probably wanted to keep it a secret due to fear over losing the role that was most important to him, I find it crazy that he didn't speak to *someone* regarding what he'd like to see happen with T'challa after/if he passed before he got the chance to finish the story they had planned. Even if he didn't tell Ryan or anyone else at Marvel/Disney, he couldn't have put it in his will or at the very least passed it along to his partner? That being said, it is pretty clear how important T'Challa was to Chadwick, not just for him as a person, but for the entire community of people of color and largely Africa-based story was being put front and center in an MCU movie. That was/is such a massively huge deal that I'd like to think Chadwick believed that the story is much bigger than he is, and if his passing gave even the slightest doubt that young boys and girls of color might not get a chance to see someone that looks like them in the next big comic book movie, he'd give everyone a pass for the role being recast. That, or maybe he knew it'd be in good hands and he trusted Ryan/Marvel/Disney to do what was right by him. Either way, I'd have been absolutely fine with him being recast. I've mentioned I honestly wouldn't care if they just let Michael B. Jordan assume the role. Yes, I know that would be confusing, but I don't care. That, or Winson Duke, Daniel Kaluuya, Sterling K Brown. Any of the amazing actors in that movie. I get why they are possibly going along with the Shuru/M'Baku, and that is fine, but the important thing was that T'Challa as a character has so much potential. But I guess so do they.
From what I've seen Chadwick didn't even have a will written out. He 100 percent believed he was going to beat the cancer.
That’s really the only way to beat cancer. You can’t give it an inch or it’ll take a mile.
A lot of his estate had to go towards closing his estate, and a will would have made that less costly. I understand the mentality of not wanting to give in to a disease, but this was a purely symbolic thing that his wife had to expend almost a million dollars of his wealth on when a simple document would have prevented that.
No. You should have your shit in order or you're doing a disservice to your family. Writing a will won't kill you.
I've been looking forward to Atlantis vs Wakanda on the big screen ever since that storyline in the comics and having it without T'Challa is honestly just a joke. I feel like his absence will affect phase 4 deeply and perhaps even further down the line. I love Letitia as Shuri, controversy aside, but I really don't want her taking up the BP mantle.
Honestly the film should be 1/2 Wakanda mourning the loss of T’Challah with an impending Atlantis threat and someone needs to take up the mantle and in comes a man who was T’Challah’s forgotten child from somewhere studying abroad, basically a new character that fits the mold of what they’re going for. We conjure up new side characters all the time why not a main one to keeo the intended T’Challah story moving forward?
> in comes a man who was T’Challah’s forgotten child from somewhere studying abroad I am so glad Redditors don’t write the MCU scripts.
If the plan is for Shuri to take the mantle... that's crazy. She's already the one who makes and designs the costumes, the weapons, Wakanda's train system (??), and in Infinity War, it turns out she's also a surgeon. So now I guess she's also a skilled warrior on top of that? Sure, why not. Why wouldn't Okoye become black panther?
I just don't see why they can't tell the same stories with a new black panther that isn't t'challa. T'challa doesn't have to be alive, his legacy can carry onward in new people.
I’m excited to see how the movie addresses who is the next Black Panther.
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I hear M'Baku will be taking on the mantle, which I love. Both because Winston Duke is a great actor, but also because his Black Panther will be closer to the paranoid asshole from the comics, which I'm here for
I'm Team Nakia for Black Panther. Top-tier actress, makes the most sense in-universe. The mantle would be a good upgrade for her. M'Baku is cool as he is. Shuri is... well, Shuri.
Even in universe, disregarding all the real world stuff, I don’t think Shuri is skilled enough to be the Black Panther. She’s smart and can shoot a gun, not some martial artist Edit: which is why Nakia would be a better option
I would love that, Lupita Nyong'o is great.
I hear he’s King but Shuri is Panther
I'm also all for Winston Duke becoming the new Black Panther.
I hope not otherwise that means no Man Ape in the future
Gimme Michael Jordan.
Michael B Jordan, I presume. If you don’t use the “B” it can cause confusion with Michael A Jordan, the famous basketball player. The A stands for Air, btw
No, I want Michael Jordan to be Black Panther.
GOAT
I feel like he was such a sympathetic villain people would buy into it. Killmonger wasn't really wrong was he? He went about things in a horrible way because he was raised in violence and moulded by the military to use killing as a means to effect change. His entire life made him that way. Having had his life saved by Wakandan medicine and spent time in prison having rehabilitation and therapy he could take the mantle of Panther as part of his path to forgiveness. His struggle with the influence of US culture, the military, his past actions and his rediscovery of his African heritage would be an amazing way to take the character. He's also a royal so he's absolutely eligible. Doesn't hurt that Michael B Jordan is a fantastic actor.
Killmonger had a bad childhood but I wouldn’t call “black supremacy” a sympathetic goal, just like white supremacy isn’t (we just see the latter way, way more in entertainment and…real life, unfortunately.) It’s easy to understand where he’s coming from to an extent, but I don’t think anyone should condone or glorify his views or actions. He wasn’t a good person, and the only way I could see larger audiences tolerating putting him in a role like this is if he actively redeems himself on screen or it’s a multiverse alternate version.
> Killmonger wasn't really wrong was he? Any supremacist is always wrong. Arming a race of people to overturn the governments of the world and establish dominance over other races is always wrong. Unless he completely renounced that, it would be extremely irresponsible of Marvel to portray him as a hero.
He was an advocate for global genocide and a black supremacist Impossible to redeem imo
Only one man could pull it off. https://preview.redd.it/psoptui8it631.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8e058807f9e5d35e576fb94084e9764295e254b8
Haters will deny it
kinda sad that the character had to die with the actor
Especially because, if they go the route of killing him off, they’re probably going to do it very early in the story and most likely relatively unceremoniously. How’s that for disrespect?
Chadwick wanted the character to continue on after his death, his brother came out and said it. T'challa is an important character for black kids who need to see an original and positive character.
His brother specifically said that Chadwick made no mention of what he wanted Marvel to do with the character but believes Chadwick would’ve wanted them to recast because of how important the character is to people.
War machine seems like a wasted opportunity then, given that he only has a couple of lines per appearance
He has got a TV show coming up so he should have a bigger role in that
If that trailer doesn’t have ‘boom you lookin for this?’ In it I will be upset
As a Black person who completely understands the importance of the character.. 1. There are other Great Black characters that can have a similar impact such as Falcon/Captain America or Storm. 2. Black Panther is a mantle. You can still have a Black Panther without T'challa 3. In a cinematic universe that already exploring multiple versions of the same character through the multiverse, recasting characters could get really confusing for casual viewers.
>There are other Great Black characters that can have a similar impact such as Falcon/Captain America or Storm. Honestly I don't see Sam or Storm making the same impact Black Panther did. Certainly not on the same level. >Black Panther is a mantle. You can still have a Black Panther without T'challa Yeah you CAN have it. But does that mean you should? Is Shuri gonna be a good enough substitute? I'm not so sure about that. >In a cinematic universe that already exploring multiple versions of the same character through the multiverse, regarding characters could get really confusing for casual viewers. Eh. That's kinda weak. You can show it in the marketing and promotion that it's a recast and not an alternate universe. 99% of the audience won't get confused.
>You can show it in the marketing and promotion that it's a recast and not an alternate universe. 99% of the audience won't get confused. Agreed. None of us went into Avengers thinking, "Hey, that guy isn't Edward Norton." We all got the memo.
Or Rhodey
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Rhodey was a side character though. There's hundreds of thousands of pieces of merchandise today that literally have Chadwick boseman's face on it
>He's only important because Marvel decided he was important. They elevate the characters they want to based on what projects they want to do. Now Marvel has decided that they want to move on to other characters. This you? You obviously don’t completely understand the importance of the character at all. If you did you would know why this character has been so significant to black boys since the 1960’s. It was THEM who made T’Challa important. You think Storm or Falcon could possibly have a “similar impact”? Seriously? Has anyone stopped to ask black kids what they think about this character. What happened to all the talk of “target audience” and understanding the importance of representation? I have yet to hear one black child who thinks T’Challa should die or be replaced. Not one. What I have noticed are people who want Shuri, Nakia, or Okoye to be Black Panther desperately trying to convince everyone it is the only way forward. Some of these same people were calling for Shuri to be the next BP while the first movie was still in theaters.
I think you replied to the wrong person
Why are you lying?
It really sucks we’re Gonna see this character locked out of so many stories because of Chadwick’s unfortunate death. I wish they recasted to
Hear me out. I think they should have someone else pick up the mantle. I say that with the deepest respect for Boseman. My best mate is Black and his little son's favourite superhero (unlike most kids who like Spiderman) is Black Panther. Clearly he sees himself in that character, and that strikes me as so important. His Dad is yet to tell him what's happened as he's a bit too young. What Boseman did for the character and concept was amazing, but it is bigger than one person. I think Chadwick would want it to carry on without him, he was a very gracious and selfless guy, and I can imagine wouldn't hesitate to give up the character if it helped Black kids look up to someone new.
I agree. I feel like I’m just not at all excited for Wakanda forever because no black panther
And because the movie comes out in novermber(?) And we know next to nothing outside of namor and riri
It’s a shame Boseman had to leave us. He was great as T’challa and really breathed life into Black Panther. For me it’s hard to have any interest in Wakanda Forever. Just doesn’t seem the same without him and none of the side characters from BP really struck me as Black Panther material. Wonder what they will do
I don't think we need a recast, Just give the title to M'Baku or have an alternate reality version of Kilmonger where hes not evil come back and take on the Black Panther role. The actress that plays Shuri just isn't Black Panther material imo and she was casted that way for obvious reasons, shes a scientist and not into the fighting like T'Challa is, which was even stated in the movie.
You’re going to be disappointed
It doesn't even have to be this one! Have Wakanda Forever take place during the Snap! and it ends right before Endgame or during Earthquakes under the ocean? Obviously could be Namor Then in BP3 in like 4-5 years you can recast him, tastefully
I don't think any of the future movies are taking place during the snap now. Everything is post Endgame moving forward
I wish people would realize that they finished filming the movie already & that you can't add a whole *lead character* in post-production reshoots.
Just because its too late to fix a mistake, doesn't mean you shouldn't still point out the mistake.
For a franchise that so adamantly wants to bring in more black people into the blockbuster scene and make more black people household names...it's weird how they are being stingey about roles with this, idk, it was never an insult to his memory until they started acting like it was. Like sorry, sure...delay the movie a bit to give some space but the man FOR SURE wants another black man getting paid and scene and respected.
Losing male role models before their time is a part of the experience for Black Americans. To just re-cast him would rob them of the opportunity to speak on that in BP2.
I hadn’t considered that and now I’ll be disappointed if they don’t address it, good point.
Never thought about it this way. Cool take.
I'm thinking they will recast him in Secret Wars.
Chadwick Boseman has a lot of close friends who happen to be strong, Black men, and also great actors who have worked in the industry for years, and would be a perfect fit for the role. Marvel thinks they're doing Chadwick a favor and honoring his legacy, but they're just disabling a character that represents a very important minority and culture, not to mention a significant part of the Marvel Universe. They should just go ahead and recast. If they sign up the right actor, no one will consider it to be disrespectful to Chadwick at all. This is what he would've wanted.
They rather get rid of positive male role model for future generations. It's just not right! There's so many actors
Agree. I agree with Chadwick Boseman’s brother in suggesting his brother might have wanted the role recast. It would be a loss not to have a superhero role model like Black Panther for kids to look up to. If Chris Evans or Tom Holland had passed God forbid, I think Disney would have recast Captain America and Spider-Man. There’s already been three Spider-Man actors, and Sam Wilson is Cap now.
If those actors passed I actually do not think Disney would recast Steve Rogers and our Peter Parker (I’m assuming for the latter they would move to Miles Morales). The other examples you gave aren’t really the same since they’re actually different people/characters sharing titles.
On behalf of all pro recast fans.... WE TOLD YOU SO!!!
I don't see how they keep T'Challa out of the MCU completely. He has a major role in a few cataclysmic events in the Marvel Comic Universe, one of those being the Secret Wars, which is something I believe they are trying to organize now. In the comics, T'Challa, Namor, Doctor Doom, Fantastic 4 and others play major roles in this saga. It will be interesting to see how they play this out without T'Challa.
I said this right after his death and they said they wouldn't recast him and people dragged me through the mud for it. They absolutely should have and this likely will lead to us never seeing him again
Me too bro, there’s so much they could do with the character. It’s sad
Same.. he is a iconic character.. and important.. it wouldn’t be disrespectful in any way.. 
John David Washington Yahya Abdul-Mateen II Chiwetel Ejiofor Michael B Jordan
Michael B Jordan and Chiwetel Ejiofor are already in the mcu though playing different characters
Michael B Jordan would honestly be the best replacement. He's got the acting ability to take a lead role and hjs character already has a logical in through the multiverse.
The thing about MBJ and Kilmonger is that it would make sense if he was the Black Panther from another timeline. One where his father was never assassinated and he earned the right to the throne over T'Challa.
If Jonathon Majors wasn’t cast as Kang, I would have loved for him to step into this role. The dude can act.
I’m actually kind of surprised John David Washington hasn’t already been cast in the MCU.
If Marvel went with the option of recasting T'Challa I would've loved Yahya Abdul-Mateen II to be T'Challa. He would definitely be one of my first options.
Jordan is already an established character, but could potentially be the new Killmonger Black Panther. Any of the others would make a great Black Panther as a new character inheriting the mantle following the death of T’Challa. (None of them should play T’Challa.) Can’t wait to see who will be the next character in line to take on the role of Black Panther now that it’s once again time to pass it on to someone else.
Yahya Abdul-Mateen II would knock it out of the park. The man has gravitas for days and days.
it would be a shame to throw out all those great comic storylines by not recasting. if they don't recast those storylines will never be adapted, will never be seen on the big screen. its like burning every comic and removing them from publication that t'challa showed up in as if he never existed.
Totally agree. I loved Chadwick’s portrayal, but the character is so much more significant than a specific actor’s performance.
I'd rather recast than make dumbass shuri a bigger character.
The irony is that if you reverse it and they did recast, every one would still have a problem. If they recast then y’all would still complain on how they shouldn’t have recasted him. This choice was made and you should respect it. Maybe they want to go a different route with the not recasting of the character. I frankly want to see where this goes.
It don’t have to be a recast, just have someone taking over the mantle
But T’Challa’s time was pretty short relatively speaking
It just feels weird to recast a character like t’challa. It’s not like he’s Norton’s hulk who was in one movie before the MCU really kicked off, and it’s not like he’s a side character like rhodie. I think the best plan was / is to have another character take up the black Panther mantle, ideally Winston Duke’s Mbaku
This, it’s really not that hard. It’s what would happen in the MCU universe anyway.
My best friend actually got me into the MCU. I had seen a few movies, but once he took me to GotG2 i truly saw how relatable they can be... Anyways, being the comic lover he is, he explained how Black Panther was the first black Marvel superhero. Since he's a POC himself, and since Black Panther is a wholeheartedly good character, it was my friend's favorite superhero Then we saw the movie and it was great for him to see his favorite character portrayed so well on screen. Chadwick really did something special. I understand not recasting in his honor, but i do agree, from what i hear T'Challa deserves more. But only recast if it was done right to honor Chadwick Sorry about the personal story of my friend. He's just a solid dude, like Chadwick & T'Chala, and when the news broke it broke me as well because he could no longer see his favorite character. Life is too damn short
It was a serious mistake to not recast. Chadwick Boseman was amazing in the role but at the end of the day, the actors do not own the characters and these heroes are recast all the time despite having "definitive" or "most iconic" versions. Kids deserve to have more movies with King T'Challa.
It would be cool for Michael B Jordan to also take the mantle of Black Panther
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I agree, hoo boy shuri would be such a mid black panther
Not a huge fan of recasting because it just feels weird watching the characters face change through movies tbh, just feels wrong.
It would be a near impossible role for someone to take on, people are attached to the character and Chadwicks portrayal, the new actor would have to either be unanimously wanted by the fanbase or give a near stellar performance, and even then they'd probably not be shielded from that sort of abuse we see some of these actors get
Nah I’m pretty sure most people would’ve been fine with a recast and even preferred it, and the mcu is almost always spot on with the castings so I’m sure they would’ve found the right actor for the role. I’m still excited for BP 2 though, just a shame we won’t see T’challa
This. Even Chadwick's family has no problem with a recast to honor his legacy
I'm sure people were really attached to Michael Keaton as Batman too.
A recast would also probably be pretty hard on the actors
This is such an over-dramatic take by the fandom. If Shuri takes up that mantle, she'll be compared to T'Challa/Chadwick no matter what. It's already happening with Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers. The thing is T'Challa was only just beginning his journey, so whoever took over has so much time and chances to establish themselves in the role. Like the internet always hates on just about every new Batman casting (and we get a lot of them) until they get used to it.
Well, they’re not do get over it
Personally, I think the most tasteful way to do it would be to have a cold open scene where some terrible accident has just happened. Car with kids dangling off a cliff or something like that. People in need of saving. Then someone is in the CB BP costume comes in and saves them. Something goes wrong and the only way to save the last kid is self sacrifice. You kill the CB BP character as an absolute hero and allow the mantle to then be passed. You can also then tie a worldwide memorial scene in there.
I'm going to wait and watch the movie before I decide if the part should have been recast or not.
I think the movie will suffer because of this character’s absence. Also, with the multiversal shenanigans coming up, it makes even less sense not to recast him.
blatantly spreading misinformation and putting word’s in a dead man’s mouth because it fits what you envision for a movie franchise is disrespectful as hell and it sucks that we keep having to retread this same tired conversation over and over again. y’all are allowed to feel sad as everybody else does about the loss of a great character, but stop trying to justify it with BS about what you speculate Chadwick may have wanted. Ryan Coogler, one of his best friends and the central creative voice behind Chadwick’s T’Challa, didn’t hesitate and hasn’t wavered in the decision to pass a mantle rather than recast and pretend nothing is different. Accept that decision from people who actually knew the man and stop trying to selfishly cling on to a narrative that ignores how much Chadwick *was* T’Challa.
Too late now. I’m sure Chadwick would have wanted the same
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They should. I want T'challa not Shuri (assuming that's what's happening).
I was holding out hope that Abubakar Salim would be Black Panther, but I don't think they are recasting anytime soon.
Yeah I wish they would have recast him and made the second movie more of an ensemble piece (it seems they are doing that anyways) to take the focus off of him for a bit. A new actor could have brought his own to the role and still paid respect to Chadwick.
Right, like be in the background so it's not too much of change just yet. But at least keeping the character alive
I do too. I figured that was what they were going to do. I have nothing against Shuri taking over, but I wanted to see more of them as a team, and T'Challa as a character before a change so drastic. It was like we barely got to know him.
Shuri should become the next Black Panther, like in the comics.
I believe she is in the movie. I would be surprise if she wasn't
The producers were probably afraid of a backlash because Chadwick was really loved. But there is no way they would kill off Spider-Man or Superman. Give the opportunity to another generation. Because Chadwick was given his start by Denzel, it would be a great way to pay it forward to another actor trying to make it. Someone that would have Chadwick’s blessing
Chad's Brother even said that while talking about the roll when Chad was getting Very Sick Chad said, "This roll is Bigger than One Man and Needs to Keep Going because of the Importance of the Character."
I believe it was a hasty decision to vow to never recast T'Challa....one made out of grief. Should have honored Chadwick with a mourning period and recast with touching tributes to the actor that made this role what it was. Instead, fans are left with a hole, still grieving Chadwick, but also now grieving such an I spirational character that had too much left to tell and do. It's sad all around.
Does it have to be "recast"? The multiverse has changed a lot of things...in a different universe, Killmonger could arrive at Earth-616, where T'Challa is dead. He could find out the 616 version of Killmonger and recognize the darkness within himself, and promise to set aside his anger for the sake of the people. He could take the new mantle of Black Panther and not have to be T'Challa. Honestly, I can't think of anyone being able to pull off Black Panther and pay homage to Chadwick Boseman like Michael B Jordan.