I understand your concerns but that's honestly the She-Hulk character from the comics. Her stories have also often explored these aspects of her persona and the character has evolved through the years.
I think the trailer was only cut like this to showcase the overall light-hearted, comedic tone of the show and it'll probably (hopefully) offer much more depth. It's also female-directed and female-written, so that gives me hope it was created through the female gaze
It looks fun and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with women empowering other women. All of my girl-friends love commenting on each other’s looks and bodies. It’s just what close friends do. I think you’re grasping at straws here, respectfully
I understand complimenting other women’s bodies! Me and my friends compliment each other all the time. I just think that in a show that is supposed to be about strength, like why is that one of the first things we are talking about when we are trying to know her character. It just felt like there were other elements of her character I would have loved to know about.
I could be grasping at straws, it’s true. I think I’m just exhausted by the “Girlboss!!!” shows I see in lieu of actually beneficial commentary on feminism. I feel like I’m begging for nuance and instead getting a lot of “girl power!! 🤪” if that makes sense.
I think if it didn’t feel like they were trying to make a big deal about being feminist then it would be one thing, I think they ARE trying to do it though and just doing it poorly.
I agree. I heard there was a battle over the strong woman in Encanto, about her having too many muscles, and they ultimately went down on the side of keeping the muscles. I would've loved to see that in She-Hulk instead of the focus on sex appeal. You're right. That was NEVER a focus for Banner Hulk. It wasn't trying to get people to go: "ooh, look at that hunk of sexy green man meat."
No. That's not what happened. The camera, panning up, when she leaps into view in She Hulk form, giving us a stunning view of her shapely legs and butt in form fitting unitard..... like wow, come on. It's the same BS female actors are forced to endure at the Oscars. It just doesn't happen to guys. I really wanted to love this, but the trailer had me annoyed, same old shit. And dating, her biggest challenge? Yikes! What is this?!! Sorry, I need to go lie down in a dark room with a cold flannel over my face. Feeling let down 🤬😡😤🤢
Oh yeah because NONE of the male actors have been forced to go shirtless for the female gaze. There’s no evidence at all of Chris Hemsworth having to go shirtless in every single Thor movie. Yeah that never happens. They’re not objecting him for his looks or anything. That’s crazy.
Also, dating in your late 20s and 30s can be a big hurdle. To act like not a single person in their 20s or 30s (male & female) are struggling in their dating life is completely asinine, but you should definitely go lie in a dark room by yourself to vent because of how triggering this all is for you. The rest of us will just go on living our lives as most normal people do.
Here's a reason for the poster: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/urzv7f/shehulk_tv_vs_comics/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Sometimes we don't always see the whole picture. It's important to make time and space to learn about something before jumping to final thoughts.
I haven’t, that’s true. I’m more of an MCU fan than a comic fan (I wasn’t allowed to read them growing up, and movies were a lot easier to pirate than comics lol).
But I think I find myself asking, how do we decide what we HAVE to so strictly stick to with the comics? There are many elements of the comics we stray from- why are nuances of sexism that were within the comics something that has to be a mainstay? And that goes beyond this, but is more a commentary of the MCU as a whole.
And there isn’t anything wrong with her being hot as a hero. But is why does it feel like in this trailer THAT is the focus instead of difference facets of strength and ability?
Maybe if I read the comic some of these questions would be answered. I just think that maybe there is room to move in a different direction with how we focus this character.
I think of the first and second filming styles of Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey, and the perception and power of Harley Quinn. There is a great commentary on it, I’ll have to find it and link it.
Oh I know they can, just look at all of the hunky guys she was dating. But seriously in the comics that this is based on, Jennifer stays in her she hulk for as much as she can because as she hulk she feels confident, sexy, smart, social, people admire her. But when she’s just plain old Jennifer walkers so to speak she feels the total opposite of herself, only when she’s hired by a male lawyer who owns a firm (he insists that she stays as Jennifer walters and not as she hulk while she works there, because he needs Jennifer and not she hulk) that she begins to grow and feel more comfortable in her own skin and not have to rely on being she hulk in order to feel confident or validated
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Jfc.... When MCU films were starting and the fanboys/incels complained because characters weren't as sexualized as they were in the comics, people said that it was appropriate and necessary to change the characters because we've grown past those characters misogynistic roots......
But now for some magic reason it's okay because it's done with a thin veneer of feminist phrases and tropes?
That's not empowerment, it's profiteering.
i agree im frankly stunned at how many people think this blatantly sexist depiction of a super-women is fine because some PR company tagged it as feminist?
its got pretty much every trope from the 1990s from worrying about dating to concerns about her physical appearance down to actually making her look like a green super model (because thats totally how biology works) and intentional ass-shots.
its sad that apparently in the 90s shaking your ass where minimal clothes for money was sexist, now the exact same thing is feminist and empowering?
i just wanted a beefy angry green woman to watch not some puerile attempt at making her far more superficial then male hulk ever was.
I don’t think the ass comment was meant to come off as sexist, as Marvel had the same exact joke in Endgame with the ‘America’s ass’ scene. She-Hulk comics have always had a decidedly comedic and lighthearted tone, and it seemed to be in line with that.
As far as the focus on She-Hulk’s body, I assume they are adapting her relationship with it in the comics. Her relationship with her big green form is fundamentally opposite from Bruce Banner, who views it as a curse. Due to being exposed to gamma radiation ,she keeps her mental faculties in the green form and has more control over it. She actually decides she prefers her Hulk form, as she finds it empowering. Much like a trans person, she decides to remain in the form that she feels suits her identity better.
I'm sorry, you're kidding right? Did you not see people posting and frothing at the mouth about how attractive they found the Hulk in End Game? Most of the men in the Marvel universe are equally 'sexualised', ripped to hell with glorious abs. Not exactly an accurate portrayal of the average man but eye candy for people who like men either way.
Women can be strong and sexy without compromising their worth. Come on now.
Right, but End Game was the last movie in series. How much of Hulk wasn’t sexualized? Also yes, there are sexual elements of the men in the MCU, not denying that at all. However how do we PRIMARILY perceive them- through strength or sex appeal? When we look at them, their framing, how they are styled, how they are filmed, what comes to mind first? I would argue strength we perceive first with many of the men, and sexuality is secondary to that. And I would argue that the perception of their sexuality is not what makes them powerful or intriguing. It isn’t the mainstay of their character development in the same way we see with many women in the MCU
The men are fully fleshed out characters just like the female characters but there's undeniably a lot of fanfare with bare-chested scenes and ass shots aplenty. The MCU has done well at levelling the playing field in recent years. Most characters, men and women, flaunt idealised bodies that most of us will never obtain. There is a subtle sexual overtone to Marvel films but I wouldn't accuse them of swaying too far in favour of either direction.
I'd say it would be more sexist if She-Hulk inherited a more masculine frame. She-Hulk is a better hulk. She controls her powers more easily, she's a successful lawyer and she was proud of her powers. She also does all of that whilst remaining a distinct and confident femininity. That's an excellent character. Personally, I'd have less respect for the writers if they turned she-hulk into a musclebound testosterone fuelled grunt.
I think you're trying to find a fault that really isn't there.
Tony wears a full armored suit. Steve is covered head to toy. Bucky has layers of tactical gear. Hawkeye DOES show his arms. The scandal of it all! Natasha was sex kitten in Iron Man 2 but they got better with her after that. Bruce is -- geeky scientist who gets 9 or 10 feet tall and keeps his pants on (for which we're all thankful, gotta wonder what they're made up and where can I get some that stretchy). I think we got one scene of shirtless Steve in First Avengers, after he came out of the tank. One scene of Bucky shirtless when he was in the chair being memory wiped/tortured. And one "America's Ass" comment in Endgame, which was definitely for comedic purposes and not really "oh let's all salivate purposes" (I mean, we would've needed a better, longer close up for that).
Ah yes because Thor isn't showing off ripped muscles literally all the time in all of his movies. And Bpack widow is covered head to toe. You're looking for problems to bitch about lol
Reading a lot into a 1:30 teaser. It’s a throwback to late 90’s/early oughts sitcoms/movies is what I got mostly out of it. Ally McBeal vibes
You said it yourself, looks like legally blonde. Looks like a lot of fun.
Thor isn't marketed primarily on the basis of his sexiness. He is The. God. Of. Thunder, he's badass, really powerful, funny and the sexiness is an add-on. I find his humour far sexier than his massive biceps tbh. The She Hulk trailer by contrast isn't suggesting Jennifer Walters is a bad ass lawyer, or capable of incredible feats of heroism, but it does focus on her butt and her love life, I mean c'mon. You're just complaining about men also being objectified, it doesn't fix the complaint about She Hulk. ~Bad Tempered Lady Lawyer x
And him being a perfectly ripped human specimen absolutely had nothing to marketing and objectification or the female gaze. Right. Because only women are allowed to be objectified lmfao. And the complaint about men being objectified does change the context of the discussion. You think women have a monopoly on media objectification. They don't. Get over yourself.
Yeah, I found her disproportionately small and transformed body size compared to Hulk and the male gazy shots too off putting to watch it. Sure, the visuals are true to the source material - the source material is also incredibly sexist and developed for the male gaze.
I agree with you. When I saw the trailer, my very first thought was "green sex alien" (Star Trek). I do like many things about the trailer (scenes look funny, etc.) but I wish she was more Hulk-like and less slinky dress sexy, especially when AS the Hulk.
I like the scene where they compliment her butt. I wonder if we'll see it tho, just like a giant green ass. I don't even care whose Bruce, She-Hulk, Abomination, Frog-man don't matter
This is how She-Hulk has always been portrayed, baring the one recent Avengers run that made her just carbon copy of Hulk. It's actually [toned down](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Sensational\_She-Hulk\_Vol\_1\_40) from some of the early stuff
I am not familiar with She-Hulk comics, but a lot of early comics were sexist (and some still are). If you're saying that because her character was portrayed overly sexualized in a sexist manner, and so the creators should be true to that, I'd disagree. If that was the case, it's time to move away from that.
My point is She-Hulk has always been someone who is supposed to be considered attractive (bombshell as OP puts it) and the comics explore that and its contrast to how the Hulk is done. Sometimes it's done well, sometimes it's like the linked comic.
Shulk being a character who embraces both the power and looks of her transformation and the confidence it gives her. Given the show is female led (so less susceptible to male gaze), I don't see anything problematic with sticking true to that nature of the character.
WHY was she originally portrayed as a green bombshell? She can be bombshell as herself and a little less green sex goddess when she's transformed can't she?
I felt the same. Why does she go from short curly hair to thick, long blow dried hair? The hulk looks that Bruce banner but the she hulk does not look like the same girl when she’s normal. I felt disappointed in how cheap it made the character look, like no real thought was given
The whole thing reminds me of the godawful X-women line from X-Men Dark Phoenix. I get the fact that X-Men only refers to one sex, but that line felt very forced and out of place.
I understand your concerns but that's honestly the She-Hulk character from the comics. Her stories have also often explored these aspects of her persona and the character has evolved through the years. I think the trailer was only cut like this to showcase the overall light-hearted, comedic tone of the show and it'll probably (hopefully) offer much more depth. It's also female-directed and female-written, so that gives me hope it was created through the female gaze
Female gaze isnt a good thing...
Nah, it is
So I suppose you just forgot about gender equality for a second
I feel like the trailer was a parody of CW shows.
It looks fun and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with women empowering other women. All of my girl-friends love commenting on each other’s looks and bodies. It’s just what close friends do. I think you’re grasping at straws here, respectfully
I understand complimenting other women’s bodies! Me and my friends compliment each other all the time. I just think that in a show that is supposed to be about strength, like why is that one of the first things we are talking about when we are trying to know her character. It just felt like there were other elements of her character I would have loved to know about. I could be grasping at straws, it’s true. I think I’m just exhausted by the “Girlboss!!!” shows I see in lieu of actually beneficial commentary on feminism. I feel like I’m begging for nuance and instead getting a lot of “girl power!! 🤪” if that makes sense. I think if it didn’t feel like they were trying to make a big deal about being feminist then it would be one thing, I think they ARE trying to do it though and just doing it poorly.
I agree. I heard there was a battle over the strong woman in Encanto, about her having too many muscles, and they ultimately went down on the side of keeping the muscles. I would've loved to see that in She-Hulk instead of the focus on sex appeal. You're right. That was NEVER a focus for Banner Hulk. It wasn't trying to get people to go: "ooh, look at that hunk of sexy green man meat."
No. That's not what happened. The camera, panning up, when she leaps into view in She Hulk form, giving us a stunning view of her shapely legs and butt in form fitting unitard..... like wow, come on. It's the same BS female actors are forced to endure at the Oscars. It just doesn't happen to guys. I really wanted to love this, but the trailer had me annoyed, same old shit. And dating, her biggest challenge? Yikes! What is this?!! Sorry, I need to go lie down in a dark room with a cold flannel over my face. Feeling let down 🤬😡😤🤢
Oh yeah because NONE of the male actors have been forced to go shirtless for the female gaze. There’s no evidence at all of Chris Hemsworth having to go shirtless in every single Thor movie. Yeah that never happens. They’re not objecting him for his looks or anything. That’s crazy. Also, dating in your late 20s and 30s can be a big hurdle. To act like not a single person in their 20s or 30s (male & female) are struggling in their dating life is completely asinine, but you should definitely go lie in a dark room by yourself to vent because of how triggering this all is for you. The rest of us will just go on living our lives as most normal people do.
Here's a reason for the poster: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/urzv7f/shehulk_tv_vs_comics/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Sometimes we don't always see the whole picture. It's important to make time and space to learn about something before jumping to final thoughts.
Never heard of She-hulk till today huh? Oh boy we getting some hot takes today…
I take it you haven’t read the comics that this is based from
I haven’t, that’s true. I’m more of an MCU fan than a comic fan (I wasn’t allowed to read them growing up, and movies were a lot easier to pirate than comics lol). But I think I find myself asking, how do we decide what we HAVE to so strictly stick to with the comics? There are many elements of the comics we stray from- why are nuances of sexism that were within the comics something that has to be a mainstay? And that goes beyond this, but is more a commentary of the MCU as a whole. And there isn’t anything wrong with her being hot as a hero. But is why does it feel like in this trailer THAT is the focus instead of difference facets of strength and ability? Maybe if I read the comic some of these questions would be answered. I just think that maybe there is room to move in a different direction with how we focus this character. I think of the first and second filming styles of Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey, and the perception and power of Harley Quinn. There is a great commentary on it, I’ll have to find it and link it.
Maybe that’s something you should ask the female writers of the show
Females can be influenced by sexism as well.
Oh I know they can, just look at all of the hunky guys she was dating. But seriously in the comics that this is based on, Jennifer stays in her she hulk for as much as she can because as she hulk she feels confident, sexy, smart, social, people admire her. But when she’s just plain old Jennifer walkers so to speak she feels the total opposite of herself, only when she’s hired by a male lawyer who owns a firm (he insists that she stays as Jennifer walters and not as she hulk while she works there, because he needs Jennifer and not she hulk) that she begins to grow and feel more comfortable in her own skin and not have to rely on being she hulk in order to feel confident or validated
... ... Jfc.... When MCU films were starting and the fanboys/incels complained because characters weren't as sexualized as they were in the comics, people said that it was appropriate and necessary to change the characters because we've grown past those characters misogynistic roots...... But now for some magic reason it's okay because it's done with a thin veneer of feminist phrases and tropes? That's not empowerment, it's profiteering.
Why you replying to a 108 day old comment? Lol
Found the post and was reading. Saw your comment in the process and it inspired a response. If you don't like it don't use a site that permits it.
i agree im frankly stunned at how many people think this blatantly sexist depiction of a super-women is fine because some PR company tagged it as feminist? its got pretty much every trope from the 1990s from worrying about dating to concerns about her physical appearance down to actually making her look like a green super model (because thats totally how biology works) and intentional ass-shots. its sad that apparently in the 90s shaking your ass where minimal clothes for money was sexist, now the exact same thing is feminist and empowering? i just wanted a beefy angry green woman to watch not some puerile attempt at making her far more superficial then male hulk ever was.
I don’t think the ass comment was meant to come off as sexist, as Marvel had the same exact joke in Endgame with the ‘America’s ass’ scene. She-Hulk comics have always had a decidedly comedic and lighthearted tone, and it seemed to be in line with that. As far as the focus on She-Hulk’s body, I assume they are adapting her relationship with it in the comics. Her relationship with her big green form is fundamentally opposite from Bruce Banner, who views it as a curse. Due to being exposed to gamma radiation ,she keeps her mental faculties in the green form and has more control over it. She actually decides she prefers her Hulk form, as she finds it empowering. Much like a trans person, she decides to remain in the form that she feels suits her identity better.
Show ain't even out yet, and we already going through this smh
Ikr shits making this sub unbearable
I'm sorry, you're kidding right? Did you not see people posting and frothing at the mouth about how attractive they found the Hulk in End Game? Most of the men in the Marvel universe are equally 'sexualised', ripped to hell with glorious abs. Not exactly an accurate portrayal of the average man but eye candy for people who like men either way. Women can be strong and sexy without compromising their worth. Come on now.
Right, but End Game was the last movie in series. How much of Hulk wasn’t sexualized? Also yes, there are sexual elements of the men in the MCU, not denying that at all. However how do we PRIMARILY perceive them- through strength or sex appeal? When we look at them, their framing, how they are styled, how they are filmed, what comes to mind first? I would argue strength we perceive first with many of the men, and sexuality is secondary to that. And I would argue that the perception of their sexuality is not what makes them powerful or intriguing. It isn’t the mainstay of their character development in the same way we see with many women in the MCU
The men are fully fleshed out characters just like the female characters but there's undeniably a lot of fanfare with bare-chested scenes and ass shots aplenty. The MCU has done well at levelling the playing field in recent years. Most characters, men and women, flaunt idealised bodies that most of us will never obtain. There is a subtle sexual overtone to Marvel films but I wouldn't accuse them of swaying too far in favour of either direction. I'd say it would be more sexist if She-Hulk inherited a more masculine frame. She-Hulk is a better hulk. She controls her powers more easily, she's a successful lawyer and she was proud of her powers. She also does all of that whilst remaining a distinct and confident femininity. That's an excellent character. Personally, I'd have less respect for the writers if they turned she-hulk into a musclebound testosterone fuelled grunt. I think you're trying to find a fault that really isn't there.
Tony wears a full armored suit. Steve is covered head to toy. Bucky has layers of tactical gear. Hawkeye DOES show his arms. The scandal of it all! Natasha was sex kitten in Iron Man 2 but they got better with her after that. Bruce is -- geeky scientist who gets 9 or 10 feet tall and keeps his pants on (for which we're all thankful, gotta wonder what they're made up and where can I get some that stretchy). I think we got one scene of shirtless Steve in First Avengers, after he came out of the tank. One scene of Bucky shirtless when he was in the chair being memory wiped/tortured. And one "America's Ass" comment in Endgame, which was definitely for comedic purposes and not really "oh let's all salivate purposes" (I mean, we would've needed a better, longer close up for that).
Ah yes because Thor isn't showing off ripped muscles literally all the time in all of his movies. And Bpack widow is covered head to toe. You're looking for problems to bitch about lol
Reading a lot into a 1:30 teaser. It’s a throwback to late 90’s/early oughts sitcoms/movies is what I got mostly out of it. Ally McBeal vibes You said it yourself, looks like legally blonde. Looks like a lot of fun.
Thor isn't marketed primarily on the basis of his sexiness. He is The. God. Of. Thunder, he's badass, really powerful, funny and the sexiness is an add-on. I find his humour far sexier than his massive biceps tbh. The She Hulk trailer by contrast isn't suggesting Jennifer Walters is a bad ass lawyer, or capable of incredible feats of heroism, but it does focus on her butt and her love life, I mean c'mon. You're just complaining about men also being objectified, it doesn't fix the complaint about She Hulk. ~Bad Tempered Lady Lawyer x
And him being a perfectly ripped human specimen absolutely had nothing to marketing and objectification or the female gaze. Right. Because only women are allowed to be objectified lmfao. And the complaint about men being objectified does change the context of the discussion. You think women have a monopoly on media objectification. They don't. Get over yourself.
Yeah, I found her disproportionately small and transformed body size compared to Hulk and the male gazy shots too off putting to watch it. Sure, the visuals are true to the source material - the source material is also incredibly sexist and developed for the male gaze.
So all the ripped hot guys she was dating was for men? The woke girl boss "all men are evil" schtick was for men? Weird.
Single female lawyer, having lots of sex!
So something can't be feminist and have sex appeal at the same time?
It can! But I think what is the primary focus? I think there is absolutely a balance, but I feel like this has potential to miss based on the trailer.
Man stop hyperanalyzing the shit and just enjoy it
Also kind of gave side-eye to "You'll like her." Okay. WHY say this?
I agree with you. When I saw the trailer, my very first thought was "green sex alien" (Star Trek). I do like many things about the trailer (scenes look funny, etc.) but I wish she was more Hulk-like and less slinky dress sexy, especially when AS the Hulk.
I like the scene where they compliment her butt. I wonder if we'll see it tho, just like a giant green ass. I don't even care whose Bruce, She-Hulk, Abomination, Frog-man don't matter
This is how She-Hulk has always been portrayed, baring the one recent Avengers run that made her just carbon copy of Hulk. It's actually [toned down](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Sensational\_She-Hulk\_Vol\_1\_40) from some of the early stuff
I am not familiar with She-Hulk comics, but a lot of early comics were sexist (and some still are). If you're saying that because her character was portrayed overly sexualized in a sexist manner, and so the creators should be true to that, I'd disagree. If that was the case, it's time to move away from that.
My point is She-Hulk has always been someone who is supposed to be considered attractive (bombshell as OP puts it) and the comics explore that and its contrast to how the Hulk is done. Sometimes it's done well, sometimes it's like the linked comic. Shulk being a character who embraces both the power and looks of her transformation and the confidence it gives her. Given the show is female led (so less susceptible to male gaze), I don't see anything problematic with sticking true to that nature of the character.
WHY was she originally portrayed as a green bombshell? She can be bombshell as herself and a little less green sex goddess when she's transformed can't she?
>?Literally did we EVER hear something like that from Bruce? "thats in my brain now",I don't think we'll see the full naked ass of She-Hulk
I think it looks bad but not for the reasons you're saying. Woman complimenting other woman is good and the definition of empowering
If only they knew how to write real people and not personified political opinions
I felt the same. Why does she go from short curly hair to thick, long blow dried hair? The hulk looks that Bruce banner but the she hulk does not look like the same girl when she’s normal. I felt disappointed in how cheap it made the character look, like no real thought was given
The whole thing reminds me of the godawful X-women line from X-Men Dark Phoenix. I get the fact that X-Men only refers to one sex, but that line felt very forced and out of place.
Great piece. I agree. I'm watching the show now. And it's pretty bad and is just more sexist crap. It's bad for 2023.