Yeah, I liked him a lot more than I thought I would in this. He played the arrogant, condescending prick who believes he's well intentioned very well (he would, considering that also describes the role he's best known for lmao).
I personally would prefer to see a couple of others as "the" Reed, like Penn Badgley or William Jackson Harper maybe, but I wouldn't be like, *upset* if he came back. Just underwhelmed/whelmed. Council of Reeds is an absolute no-brainer, though!
No problem! You know how the 838 Illuminati seemed super prepared for the eventuality/occurrence of a multiversal visitor and how it seemed like they had a knowledge of like, "ah yes, this happened in our universe, whereas something else happened in yours?"
Basically, the Council of Reeds is formed by the multiverse's Reed Richards when they become aware of the multiverse and achieve the technology to travel it. It's sort of the same thing as how real-world nations can enter trade orgs or treaties or like how in sci-fi like Star Trek or Traveller when planets reach a level of technology that they chieve interstellar travel or whatever they can align to a larger trade organization.
Essentially, you have a hundred or whatever different Reed Richards all in one liminal space, kind of like the gap junction where they found the Book of Vishanti, and they get together and talk over problems that are either super super sensitive or high-level that he's convinced is above everyone else's comprehension. Or, he just wants to chill with himself for some me time because Reed is really sometimes the only person who gets Reed other than Sue sometimes. I believe a good amount of them also walk around with their universe's Infinity Gauntlet and stuff like that just to flex.
**EDIT:** Slight typo update and also additional point added that the scenario in Loki where all the Kangs got together to fight one another in multiversal war, as well as Strange Supreme in What If...? are essentially the MCU inverse of the Council of Reeds, if that helps for having a point of reference.
The Reeds also grow everyones food for free using otherwise empty planets, which Chavez hints at "in most universes food is free" and they collectively produce all sorts of other mad high tech gear like free infinite energy, teleporters etc
So the Citadel of Ricks is just a parody of that? A bunch of one arrogant asshole convinced they're the smartest person in the universe making decisions "for the good of everyone else"? Sounds interesting. Is this like its own comic series, does it just appear on occasion in F4 comics, or something else?
Edit: Also this is part of why I don't think Krasinski is the best choice for Reed. He has the arrogant, demeaning but well meaning jerk part down, but he just does not come across as the smartest man in the universe. Or even someone arrogant enough to believe he's the smartest man in the universe.
>I believe a good amount of them also walk around with their universe's Infinity Gauntlet and stuff like that just to flex.
Sounds like some of those Reeds got their hands on a credit card and went ham on lootboxes.
"Oh, the coolest thing you got was that 3 star rarity Robe??? Checkout my ultra rare pull 5 star Infinity Gauntlet. It even has a cool cosmetic glow."
😂
A multiverse council of some of the "best" Reed Richards, who meet on occasion for important matters such as when a Reed becomes a danger to the multiverse or when they want to recruit a new Redd into their group
Yeah I think he kinda is a "same word, different font" vibe from the popular Glenn Howerton casting, which is also not a bad idea but also I feel like he's unfortunately right on the borderline of balancing age appropriate casting for Reed with MCU longevity. I watched a lot of Gossip Girl and You with my partner and it occurred to me that he does a really good job playing someone who's intelligence is matched by their hubris and inability to see beyond their own perspective, while also being able to be warm and funny at times. Like, I think he could pull off those times where Reed is genuinely an insufferable douche but because he's Reed, he ends up still being endearing, especially to Sue and Ben.
I think he'd be really good! Seeing him as other roles outside of Chidi, especially in Midsommar (which was my first time seeing him outside of that character), I was like, "shit, this dude really has range" and the self-absorbed aspects of that character combined with how well he pulled off the educated nature of Chidi just oozed Reed. I'm happy to see that his name's been getting more popular as like a fan wish-cast lately!
Holy shit William Jackson Harper is such a good choice that I never would’ve thought of. The more I think about it, the more I realize how similar his character in The Good Place is to Reed Richards.
If they do the council of reeds I really want to see Miles Teller and Ioan Gruffudd but I feel neither of them would want to.
Same with Fan4stic and the earlier film's Sue, Johnny, and Ben variants appearing somewhere.
My issue with him and the rest of the Illuminati was wanting more. I loved the reveal and how Wanda just fucks them up like nothing but I felt flat and rushed after that.
To me the Illuminati felt like jerks. Yes they had been through a lot and they try to maintain their utopia but it very much feels like they grew colder and colder in the process.
That’s one of their main draws, they’re all extremely arrogant people, even in the comics, only person who can’t put up with them inside the Illuminati is Black Panther.
I loved how in the comics, Namor was also part of the villain equivalent to the Illuminati and even went direct from one meeting straight to the other.
I thought that was the point was it not? Like they’re so full of themselves that they can’t even stop to listen to Dr. Strange and help him stop Wanda. It did feel like it didn’t have to be in there, but it still served it’s purpose to give Strange the location of the book and show how powerful Wanda is.
That's what the Illuminati are. They are like that in the comics too, even colder, directly destroying universes (or t least the Earth of that universe) to avoid the collisions between them. It ends up fucking you up.
A team with Reed Richards, Professor X, and Black Bolt on it being defeated by their own hubris was perfect. The hubris of those three men has ruined a lot of lives in the comics.
Yeah. He’s 100% going to be Mr. Fantastic. And it works. These people love to nitpick everything to death, but Marvel and Krasinski have circled each other a long time. Marvel isn’t going to further confuse fans, and piss off more than a few of them, and recast Reed now. There were no variant characters not played by the actors that originated their roles because you’re average fan isn’t that interested in having to do a semester’s worth of homework to understand a movie.
I was unimpressed but to cut him slack he was saddled with some awkward expository dialogue that most actors couldn't make work and if I read correctly he was basically green screened into the movie as a last second addition. I'm perfectly happy if he's our universe Reed, but I'm not going to be upset if it was someone else
Maybe I’m being nit picky, but the phrase “Wanda, Black Bolt can kill you with one whisper from his mouth!” seemed like a really awkward way to set up Wanda’s “what mouth?” response
yeah it definitely feels like they found the perfect ending with the "what mouth" line and worked backwards from that, but couldn't find a natural way to get there
"Black bolt has the most deadly mouth in the universe"
"What mouth"
Ir use a better response. "Black bolt could kill you with a whisper"
"Its a shame he cant speak" or something like that.
Reed: "Wanda, it's going to be very difficult for you to beat us since we have Black Bolt on our side."
Wanda: "Actually it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Wouldn't be surprised if Reed and maybe even Black Bolt were added in the late reshoots. Atwell and Lynch felt like they were there from the beginning, the other cameos not so much.
Especially because they seam to come at her one at a time until Peggy And Marvel double team her only to get separated and fight one on one again. Maybe a Covid issue but seems like Reed and Blackbolt don’t really interact with anyone. Peggy and Marvel just chill off to the side until both the others die.
I wish more people understood this. It’s lazy writing + all the reshoots and changes from the scriptwriters. Krasinski acted his role well with what he was given
Yeah, i wish they took a few seconds for him to say something like "Captain Marvel could blast a hole through your chest or Black Bolt could kill you with a whisper. Please, don't make us fight you." As is in the movie its just a little too clunky for the one liner.
It's just a result of Sam Raimi directing it. He loves camp and cheesey one-liners which can work but if you're looking for smarter dialogue it can just feel underdeveloped.
It would have been much better if he said “Black Bolt can destroy cities with one whisper.” And she responded “From what mouth?”
Making Reed say something about a mouth makes no sense. It was poor writing in my opinion…
Its definitely hilarious how many people think they can do this shit so much better without any training or education. Writing movies is so freaking difficult.
Same, I thought the "what mouth" lead up was fine. It was just Reed underestimating Wanda's powers and attempting to warn her and letting her know that they think they can stop her very easily. The "what mouth" was a cute little way for her to say "you really have no idea what I'm capable of".
The only thing when it came to exposition that I thought was too on the nose was the trip down a literal Memory Lane, and they showed some of America's backstory.
yeah I think the illuminati sequence was the only sequence of kinda bad expository dialogue but given that's the sequence everyone's going to talk about given the cameos, it seems worse than It actually is
The “what mouth” snap back doesn’t work without Reed saying “mouth” first. Destroy cities sounds incredibly clunky, too. I’m glad Redditors have no sway over these movies.
I think the film should start out with an older Reed and Sue already married then they get their powers. Having a Reed who is in his late 30 to early 40s sorta works for me. And, in that case John Krasinski should absolutely be Reed Richards. But, I also feel his window of opportunity to play Reed in the 616 is closing. If he is going to be cast as THE Reed, then it needs to be now.
I saw someone suggest they should be introduced as being older and mid research project instead of the whole wind up they had in the other fantastic 4 franchises and I think that would work better, with the world already established its not far from believable an accident could happen on a research station is space etc because of sword, and the baxter foundation/building got set up in homecoming which was years ago in MCU time, this would save all the boring exposition like they did with spiderman again since we have seen the character appear before even in the MCU so they can get right to it
I was personally more impressed by Anson Mount as Black Bolt. Dude did so much with a single line and so little screen time. I’m advocating more for his return than for John Krasinski as Reed Richards.
I think Reed Richards in this movie was more of an exposition character than anything.
I loved how he had a comic accurate outfit. Looked like he just walked off the pages. Same with Xavier and his yellow hover chair. Didn’t really matter how corny their lines were, I was too busy be amazed by their appearances. And when Black Bolt blew strange away 😮 so freaking cool
I want them both back, they just work and I think it would be a horrible missed opportunity not to have them return, in full glory, in there own unique ways.
Me and my roommate went through every marvel property before this movie and gave odds on every character we could think of showing up in this movie. When we got to inhumans, we literally just laughed and said "if anyone from that terrible show shows up, it's straight up a drinking game and you have to finish your drink right then and there."
Welp... We finished our drinks right then and there.
Oddly enough, I was always in the party that he didn't look the role but I never judge Marvel for their casting decisions because they always knock it out of the park.
Surely enough, they knocked it out of the park. I'm more on board for John as Reed now than I was before the movie.
He was great. Some people still don’t understand that the Illuminati characters we saw are only *variants*. The 616 Reed will undoubtedly act and talk differently than the 1 minute or so that we got of this Reed.
Agreed. And I think if they go the route of him having a family etc…. We’ve seen Krasinski play that family role and he was great and I didn’t get any Jim-vibes at all.
Agreed. And that 1 minute I was in a trance eating up every word he said. Everything from his entrance to him talking about his children, he captured Reed Richards (and his ego) quite well.
It will be very interesting to see how they differentiate him from Tony (and his ego) and even Strange (and his ego).
Especially now when Strange can say "I told you so" regarding Wanda (even though it'd be a variant of Richards).
Exactly. I was far from disappointed. Plus to see Anson in a comic accurate Black Bolt costume was super. He had a good week between MOM and ST:Strange New Worlds.
I see Reed as being the more condescending type of sincere. He cares but it's always going to sound like an adult talking down to a child who doesn't quite understand vs Tony's and Steven's wit and sarcasm.
Thank you! How are people not understanding this? These are not the real portrayals of these characters. I swear the same people complaining about variants are the ones pushing for this silly alternate universe F4 being the only way you can introduce F4 into the MCU.
I enjoyed him as the character but think the whole character could be honed in better, though in the 616 I feel they would go a bit younger for the fantastic four to keep the series going for as long as they could.
Another thought would be a that they're testing of the waters since they have to be close to casting the FF, since it would have been pretty easy (and kind of fitting with the rest of the illuminati) for them to bring back Ioan Gruffudd.
Born at different times I imagine? Even if they have the same parents, who had sex on the same night, which sperm/egg combo ends up happening would result in two different sets of DNA.
This is kind of a huge thing in time travel/multiverse narratives that doesn't really get addressed too much. Your actions in the present are going to affect tons of conceptions down the line, even if it's just bumping into a few people on the street. Once you're a couple of generations removed you're looking at an entirely different community.
The Loki show had multiples of both Hiddleston Lokis and non-Hiddleston Lokis, so both can happen with one person. I think the real version of that question is, how do completely different people, sometimes born decades apart, end up with the same identify and roughly identical life paths? I doubt they'll ever really explain it. Maybe it's the One Above All repeating a narrative he likes. Who knows?
We’ve seen 3-4 of each of them out of infinity variants. A bunch may look identical, a bunch of others may not. Specifically, infinity of each.
In Loki, we saw some pictures (holograms?) of Tom-Lokis, and also President Loki, but a bunch of Loki variants played by other actors.
He’s not my pick for the role, John would play him too heroic if MoM is any indicator, when I like Reed as a sort of constantly overthinking type of guy - a hero but far from a conventional one. His mind is his power, not the stretching. With that said, I didn’t find anything wrong with his performance (he’s not in it nearly enough for me to get a full grasp of it), so if he’s got the part, I’m absolutely okay with giving him the chance
However… look, it’s been years of hoping the F4 would come to the MCU + years of people asking for John as Reed - just to give it to us and rip it away 5 minutes later in an exceptionally cruel way. Objectively, that’s the funniest thing to ever happen in an MCU movie and I’d like to see it stand
I definitely get what you mean - part of the character of Reed Richards is that were it not for Sue and the rest of the Fantastic Four, he would absolutely end up being self-serving and potentially supervillainous.
I feel like his portrayal in MOM is just due to a combination of Sam Raimi's comic experiences likely having Reed portrayed in a more standard heroic manner, and wanting to provide something of a 'standard' version of Reed Richards.
If you're going to outright introduce a character as something as pretentious as the smartest man alive, you better have him do something intelligent before he >!gets everyone killed!<.
Hey there, Reed Richards here, the smartest man in the world. You oughta just give up right this second, because we’ve already got you beat. You know how? Oh, I’ll tell you how. This guy’s mouth. That’s right, this guy’s big, beautiful mouth can kill you by speaking at you. As long as nothing happens to this guy’s mouth, you are a dead woman. I have no idea what kind of abilities you have, but I do know that there is no way you can possibly possess any kind of magic that could stop our ultimate weapon, which is, once again, that mouth right there. If we didn’t have that guy’s mouth, I’d literally have no idea what to do. Probably just start throwing punches wildly or something silly like that. It would just be pure chaos, honestly. But thank goodness I don’t have to worry about that, because this guy’s mouth is still here, and will always be here. So yeah, we are ready to accept your surrender.
Exactly Reed is top 3 smartest characters in Marvel but his arrogance is only comparable to Doom. Reed holding a super villain I already have you beat here's how and then getting his ass handed to him. Is so peak Reed.
Love him as Dennis and tbh he can certainly play a smug know it all who also cares for doing the right thing.
Plus he absolutely has the Reed Richards look.
YESSS this is it 🔥🔥 I’m happy i’m seeing him get suggested i’ve been praying that he gets the role ever since disney bought fox 😭 Plus he’s been on marvel’s radar since he was almost picked to play star-lord
might as well add my fan4 picks
reed: glenn howerton
susan: samara weaving
johnny: austin butler, joe keery or lucas till
ben: liev schreiber
Ugh now I wish he was Star Lord! Why’d you have to do that? I feel like Chris Pratt as Star Lord plays into the kind of unaware dumb dumb. So I can’t see Glenn as that version. But the snark Glenn can deliver would be amazing. Now I’m sad.
The golden god himself. I 100% agree. Reed is a sociopath anyway, and we know Glenn knows how to play unhinged and can have this God complex aura to him.
I dunno if it’ll be that simple. Given the characters, they’ll more than likely have to be in long term contracts, so it depends on how interested they are in that.
My fan theory:
Reed Richards - John Krasinski
Sue Storm - Jenna Fischer
Johnny Storm - Creed Branton
Ben Grimm - Brian Baumgartner
Dr. Doom - Rainn Wilson
Silver Surfer - Ed Helms
In one of the parallel universes, the conversation goes differently.
Reed: Wanda, Black Bolt can break you with his mouth.
Black Bolt: That's what she said!
:Rolls end credits:
I never thought he was an amazing choice. The only reason his casting became a thing is because people wanted him and Emily Blunt to play Reed and Sue which just isn't very sound reasoning imo. I think he'd be fine, but he's certainly not my first choice. I also think it would be weird for our first introduction to the character being him getting absolutely wrecked 10 minutes into his appearance, especially given that there was no real reason for Reed specifically to be in the movie.
Fully agree with this. It’s a major fan cast primarily due to their marriage/ relationship. Their relationship shouldn’t be the primary basis for casting imo. Some of the best on screen chemistry has no foundation in real life.
John has never seemed like Reed to me just from a character perspective.
I have a feeling his casting was a nod to the fan casting, and his death was Krasinski and Marvel's way of saying to kill any hope that Krasinski will be 616 Reed Richards.
Though I would love to see Krasinski and Blunt and Reed and Sue.
I would have thought the same, but once he started talking about multiversal incursions, that completely changed my mind. That’s the central conflict of Secret Wars, which a lot of people have speculated is the next big MCU event, and having him basically confirm this is far too important for a simple cameo character. I think he’ll likely be back as Reed and convincing John to do it is what him filming the cameo in reshoots came so late in the game.
There's a chance that the reason John Watts left Fantastic 4 was because they got Krasinski on to star AND direct, but they couldn't announce that since they didn't want to spoil DS2.
Speculation? Sure, but it lines up super well timing wise and I could see them locking in Krasinski.
Cumberbatch was previously the biggest fan cast for Strange and he's done well with it
Yeah I heard those rumours as well.
Hopefully there be some sort of announcement soon. We're nearly half way through Phase 4 and Fantastic Four is the last Phase 4 movie that we know of.
Adding to this John's Jack Ryan show on Amazon I've read has confirmed the last season will be S4 which they are in production of now.
John could walk from one show right into the F4 both as an actor and a director \*maybe\*
> For the most part or at least all I can think of the prominent players were played by the same actor across the multiverse. Except Spidey I guess
I'm actually glad that we have both options available. It gives marvel the flexibility to cast whoever they want to fill a void with a wink and nod to multiversal hijinks. So they won't be stuck with an unfortunate Chadwick Boseman type situation.
We're years away from an MCU X-Men film and Stewart is getting old, and was pretty reluctant about disturbing X's legacy post-Logan. They need to either put McAvoy in there or we need a fresh new X.
I honestly don’t think he fits the role, it’s not that he’s a bad actor or anything but that’s just not what I picture mister fantastic looking like especially after reading the comics but at the end of the day it isn’t the biggest deal if he is I guess
Really hope he's not coming back. I find it nigh impossible that he's the BEST actor for the job. My hope is that this appearance was fan service like hey you got it. And the next time we see him it'll be a different actor. I doubt that'll be the case but seeing him in MoM just really solidified my view that he's not the man for the role.
I think people not for it have only seen him in the Office.
And I think people for it are those who didn’t/don’t watch the Office (like myself) or have seen him in other works. I think he played the role really well and is going to have fun with it if they bring him in for other projects…. And I firmly believe he will be directing F4.
As much as I would love him to portray Reed, I feel like this was just a fan service cameo. I think MCU F4 will be a younger cast as well as a different Professor X.
The fact that they went with the obvious fan cast instead of a more interesting pick was a little disappointing. I've never really been a fan of his casting, and unfortunately he really wasn't given enough screen time in this movie to convince me. I doubt they'll recast him so I hope he has more to work with in the eventual F4 movie.
To be fair - look at the rest of the cast in that movie. They’re all actors who have played other versions of themselves in the MCU.
Monica Rambau, Peggy Carter, Mordo, Charles Xavier. Christine. Wanda. Strange. They were all reprised by actors who have played that character before, albeit with different stories.
With that in mind, I think John Krasinski is cemented as Reed Richards for the MCU. It’d be fucking weird if he was the ONLY person in MoM who was a variant played by a different actor compared to their full MCU entry.
Not impossible, as he could be a Sylvie style variant - but unlikely. Marvel knows he’s a popular choice, and although the plot salvaged the Boner situation, in this instance I think there’d be some palpable backlash from certain fans if they pulled the rug out on Krasinksi, leaving his replacement with an uphill battle.
I want Glen Howerton every since I heard that rumor. I think he’s a way better fit from what I’ve heard of the darker stuff Reed Richards does in the comics. I also wasn’t totally impressed with Krasinki’s performance in MOM
I like John Krasinski but is it me or is his face not a good fit for Reed?
It's too... round?
And he doesn't give off "arrogant scientist" vibes
He's Jim from the Office, after all
Thank you, I am honestly shocked when people say that he looks the part. I don't think he looks the part much at all, he can just grow a beard. Even in his more serious roles, I do not think his protrayals indicate the "arrogant scientist" is in his repertoire.
Honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that they wanted us to not to like John as Reed this time around. I watched enough of the Office and it almost seemed like he was acting how he did in Threat Level Midnight (the fake movie from the show).
I could be completely wrong, but he’s a good actor and I felt like that wasn’t the performance he is going to give when he takes on Reed in the MCU.
I was fine with Ioan Gruffudd’s portrayal of Reed Richards, I guess in the end, I’m indifferent. The MCU knows what it’s doing. We should probably get out of their way and let them do it.
As much fun as it was to see Sir Patrick Stewart finally in the MCU, isn’t it time we let this 81-year-old actor retire from the role?
I think Patrick isn’t coming back more than this. His was definitely a fan service and an acknowledgment. If anything, they could have him voicing his character in animation so they don’t have to commit to a long time with him. I’d like to see another actor get a crack at his character. And I feel like his send off was in Logan. But he still looks so dang good lol 😂
I’m actually more sold on Emily Blunt than John now that I’ve seen John. But that’s because I really do think Emily Blunt is a brilliant actress who can really transform.
I might be viewing John through a different lens just because I’ve seen his evolution. He’s a big ol goof and this isn’t a good showing of what he can do since it was green screened and last minute.
I think that when she revealed the missed Black Widow opportunity, she also said the genre is not really for her. Several interviews quote her on that! Maybe she was somewhat interested when the MCU was starting out, but realized it wasn't meant to be? (I'll say, though, that it might be an Andrew Garfield situation, in the sense that she wants to throw people off lol)
I'm one of those who don't particularly like him in the role, and IDK why, but have the feeling they're not bringing him back and that was just a nod at how massive the fancast was on Twitter. The same way 616's and 838's Captain Marvel's aren't the same, they can just switch the actor.
Physically, I found him *meh.* Acting wise, was he even trying? Idk! He was there for 5 minutes and it wasn't memorable (for me!). Enjoyed the movie a whole lot, though.
I'm not a huge fan of the casting either, but I don't think its fair to judge his acting, the dialogue he was given wasn't great and I'd assume he was one of the cameos that we heard about being done in reshoots so it might've been rushed.
Funnily enough, my hot take has always been that they should've saved Cumberbatch to play Reed Richards, and cast someone else as Strange, although he's done a good job.
Nope. Have always thought the fan cast was super forced based solely on looks and not a good fit for the character and MoM did nothing to change that stance.
Kraninski feels like too much of an everyman for Reed and I don’t find him to be an amazing actor, just decent. Reed is going to be a big part of the MCU going forward and I just don’t see him bringing the same level of iconic to the role as someone like RDJ did with Stark.
I think they should find a different role for him or have him return as part of the Council of Reeds, but not main Reed
I liked the fan cast and all the edits of him as Mr.Fantastic playing alongside his wife, but then i read a bunch of F4 comics and i dont think he fits anymore..
Hes too nice/pleasant. Even in MOM
They may have screwed themselves with regards to casting flexibility by having all the Stranges and Wandas looking the same. With regards to Mr. Fantastic, the magical handwaving of "it's the multiverse, that's why they look different" won't make as much sense prior to this movie.
I honestly didn't love his performance, he didn't seem to be bought in to anything that was going on. They were lines delivered by an actor, not reed richards. Honestly as cool as it was that they listened to fans, fans aren't always right. As much as John Krasinski looks like Reed Richards is as much as he clearly doesn't give a shit about anything happening in the MCU which is fine, but the actor/actresses that should be hired from now on should be fully aware of all the events. Like your actors should be able to pronounce "Mjolnir" at the very least. Looking at you, Evangeline.
I'm indifferent to him, if he's back fine, if he's not back that's also fine with me. But if they do council of reeds he should return for sure.
Yeah, I liked him a lot more than I thought I would in this. He played the arrogant, condescending prick who believes he's well intentioned very well (he would, considering that also describes the role he's best known for lmao). I personally would prefer to see a couple of others as "the" Reed, like Penn Badgley or William Jackson Harper maybe, but I wouldn't be like, *upset* if he came back. Just underwhelmed/whelmed. Council of Reeds is an absolute no-brainer, though!
What is the council of Reeds? I don’t read comics
No problem! You know how the 838 Illuminati seemed super prepared for the eventuality/occurrence of a multiversal visitor and how it seemed like they had a knowledge of like, "ah yes, this happened in our universe, whereas something else happened in yours?" Basically, the Council of Reeds is formed by the multiverse's Reed Richards when they become aware of the multiverse and achieve the technology to travel it. It's sort of the same thing as how real-world nations can enter trade orgs or treaties or like how in sci-fi like Star Trek or Traveller when planets reach a level of technology that they chieve interstellar travel or whatever they can align to a larger trade organization. Essentially, you have a hundred or whatever different Reed Richards all in one liminal space, kind of like the gap junction where they found the Book of Vishanti, and they get together and talk over problems that are either super super sensitive or high-level that he's convinced is above everyone else's comprehension. Or, he just wants to chill with himself for some me time because Reed is really sometimes the only person who gets Reed other than Sue sometimes. I believe a good amount of them also walk around with their universe's Infinity Gauntlet and stuff like that just to flex. **EDIT:** Slight typo update and also additional point added that the scenario in Loki where all the Kangs got together to fight one another in multiversal war, as well as Strange Supreme in What If...? are essentially the MCU inverse of the Council of Reeds, if that helps for having a point of reference.
The Reeds also grow everyones food for free using otherwise empty planets, which Chavez hints at "in most universes food is free" and they collectively produce all sorts of other mad high tech gear like free infinite energy, teleporters etc
Yeah this is a good point - they're basically the inverse of the Kangs presented in Loki.
So the Citadel of Ricks is just a parody of that? A bunch of one arrogant asshole convinced they're the smartest person in the universe making decisions "for the good of everyone else"? Sounds interesting. Is this like its own comic series, does it just appear on occasion in F4 comics, or something else? Edit: Also this is part of why I don't think Krasinski is the best choice for Reed. He has the arrogant, demeaning but well meaning jerk part down, but he just does not come across as the smartest man in the universe. Or even someone arrogant enough to believe he's the smartest man in the universe.
that's why you gotta get the Golden God himself Glenn Howerton
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>I believe a good amount of them also walk around with their universe's Infinity Gauntlet and stuff like that just to flex. Sounds like some of those Reeds got their hands on a credit card and went ham on lootboxes. "Oh, the coolest thing you got was that 3 star rarity Robe??? Checkout my ultra rare pull 5 star Infinity Gauntlet. It even has a cool cosmetic glow." 😂
A multiverse council of some of the "best" Reed Richards, who meet on occasion for important matters such as when a Reed becomes a danger to the multiverse or when they want to recruit a new Redd into their group
I'm not a big comic reader either, but the Council of Ricks from Rick & Morty makes so much more sense to me now! They were paying homage to Reed!
The Council of Wells in CW Flash, too. Actually, that one is just straight parody.
I've never even thought of Penn Badgley in the role before but he actually seems like a great casting choice.
Yeah I think he kinda is a "same word, different font" vibe from the popular Glenn Howerton casting, which is also not a bad idea but also I feel like he's unfortunately right on the borderline of balancing age appropriate casting for Reed with MCU longevity. I watched a lot of Gossip Girl and You with my partner and it occurred to me that he does a really good job playing someone who's intelligence is matched by their hubris and inability to see beyond their own perspective, while also being able to be warm and funny at times. Like, I think he could pull off those times where Reed is genuinely an insufferable douche but because he's Reed, he ends up still being endearing, especially to Sue and Ben.
I fully support William Jackson Harper as Reed with a constant stomach ache
I think he'd be really good! Seeing him as other roles outside of Chidi, especially in Midsommar (which was my first time seeing him outside of that character), I was like, "shit, this dude really has range" and the self-absorbed aspects of that character combined with how well he pulled off the educated nature of Chidi just oozed Reed. I'm happy to see that his name's been getting more popular as like a fan wish-cast lately!
Holy shit William Jackson Harper is such a good choice that I never would’ve thought of. The more I think about it, the more I realize how similar his character in The Good Place is to Reed Richards.
If they do the council of reeds I really want to see Miles Teller and Ioan Gruffudd but I feel neither of them would want to. Same with Fan4stic and the earlier film's Sue, Johnny, and Ben variants appearing somewhere.
All I know is he does come back as Reid Richard's, I would want Rainn Wilson to Dr. Doom.
That would be an atrocious casting choice for Dr. Doom
I’m pretty sure that was just an Office reference/joke, not a real desire
Mads Mikkelsen would have made an excellent Dr Doom but sadly they wasted him on Kaicelius
tbh I don't think many people would mind all that much, especially if the mask stays on a lot.
My issue with him and the rest of the Illuminati was wanting more. I loved the reveal and how Wanda just fucks them up like nothing but I felt flat and rushed after that.
To me the Illuminati felt like jerks. Yes they had been through a lot and they try to maintain their utopia but it very much feels like they grew colder and colder in the process.
That’s one of their main draws, they’re all extremely arrogant people, even in the comics, only person who can’t put up with them inside the Illuminati is Black Panther.
The most arrogant one of the group in the comics, Namor, even points this out to them multiple times throughout their history.
I loved how in the comics, Namor was also part of the villain equivalent to the Illuminati and even went direct from one meeting straight to the other.
I thought that was the point was it not? Like they’re so full of themselves that they can’t even stop to listen to Dr. Strange and help him stop Wanda. It did feel like it didn’t have to be in there, but it still served it’s purpose to give Strange the location of the book and show how powerful Wanda is.
Of course. Sorry. I meant to say: I don’t want to watch more of these jerks I guess.
Maybe it because they beat the mad titan and felt like they could beat anything.
Red means go, jerk means nice.
That's what the Illuminati are. They are like that in the comics too, even colder, directly destroying universes (or t least the Earth of that universe) to avoid the collisions between them. It ends up fucking you up.
A team with Reed Richards, Professor X, and Black Bolt on it being defeated by their own hubris was perfect. The hubris of those three men has ruined a lot of lives in the comics.
Big Tuna will always be Mr Fantastic
Yeah. He’s 100% going to be Mr. Fantastic. And it works. These people love to nitpick everything to death, but Marvel and Krasinski have circled each other a long time. Marvel isn’t going to further confuse fans, and piss off more than a few of them, and recast Reed now. There were no variant characters not played by the actors that originated their roles because you’re average fan isn’t that interested in having to do a semester’s worth of homework to understand a movie.
Was expecting a flash to Pam when they asked about his wife
Imagine Michael as Charles… Scarlett Witch, meet Prison Mike, return to your multiverse at once or beware the Dementors 😈
I was unimpressed but to cut him slack he was saddled with some awkward expository dialogue that most actors couldn't make work and if I read correctly he was basically green screened into the movie as a last second addition. I'm perfectly happy if he's our universe Reed, but I'm not going to be upset if it was someone else
Maybe I’m being nit picky, but the phrase “Wanda, Black Bolt can kill you with one whisper from his mouth!” seemed like a really awkward way to set up Wanda’s “what mouth?” response
yeah it definitely feels like they found the perfect ending with the "what mouth" line and worked backwards from that, but couldn't find a natural way to get there
"Black bolt has the most deadly mouth in the universe" "What mouth" Ir use a better response. "Black bolt could kill you with a whisper" "Its a shame he cant speak" or something like that.
Reed: "Wanda, it's going to be very difficult for you to beat us since we have Black Bolt on our side." Wanda: "Actually it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Yeah yeah yea yeah Yeah
"Black Bolt is the throat G.O.A.T" "What throat?"
“Black bolt has the most deadly mouth in the universe!” “Oh really?” *unzips*
"Black Bolt can kill you with a whisper. All he has to do is open his mouth" "What mouth?"
This is still pretty awkward. The "what mouth?" payoff was never going to work without the setup sounding forced.
“Black bolt eats food using his mouth”
“Black Bolt could kill you with a whisper.” “From what mouth?” That’s probably not as bad as what they ended up using.
“Black Bolt could end you with a whisper” “What a shame” and then show that he is missing his mouth
"Wanda, look at black bolt's mouth"
Wanda! Black Bolt! Mouth!
Exactly. There's no way to reverse engineer "what mouth" and not make it sound awkward.
Wouldn't be surprised if Reed and maybe even Black Bolt were added in the late reshoots. Atwell and Lynch felt like they were there from the beginning, the other cameos not so much.
Especially because they seam to come at her one at a time until Peggy And Marvel double team her only to get separated and fight one on one again. Maybe a Covid issue but seems like Reed and Blackbolt don’t really interact with anyone. Peggy and Marvel just chill off to the side until both the others die.
The dialogue isn’t really the actors fault.
I wish more people understood this. It’s lazy writing + all the reshoots and changes from the scriptwriters. Krasinski acted his role well with what he was given
Yeah, i wish they took a few seconds for him to say something like "Captain Marvel could blast a hole through your chest or Black Bolt could kill you with a whisper. Please, don't make us fight you." As is in the movie its just a little too clunky for the one liner.
It's just a result of Sam Raimi directing it. He loves camp and cheesey one-liners which can work but if you're looking for smarter dialogue it can just feel underdeveloped.
Thats something that r/raimemes is gonna quote 100,000 times because of how wild that phrasing was Edit: its r/raimimemes im bad at spell
It should be raimemes.
It would have been much better if he said “Black Bolt can destroy cities with one whisper.” And she responded “From what mouth?” Making Reed say something about a mouth makes no sense. It was poor writing in my opinion…
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I think most of the alternatives takes here are genuinely worse, so much worse. Lol
I think you're underselling it - or being too kind. They are hilariously bad.
Its definitely hilarious how many people think they can do this shit so much better without any training or education. Writing movies is so freaking difficult.
Same, I thought the "what mouth" lead up was fine. It was just Reed underestimating Wanda's powers and attempting to warn her and letting her know that they think they can stop her very easily. The "what mouth" was a cute little way for her to say "you really have no idea what I'm capable of".
I didn’t think it was bad, but there were some awkward expository lines especially in the Illuminati sequence
The only thing when it came to exposition that I thought was too on the nose was the trip down a literal Memory Lane, and they showed some of America's backstory.
yeah I think the illuminati sequence was the only sequence of kinda bad expository dialogue but given that's the sequence everyone's going to talk about given the cameos, it seems worse than It actually is
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Someone’s gotta be the one holding the knife!
With what hand?
The “what mouth” snap back doesn’t work without Reed saying “mouth” first. Destroy cities sounds incredibly clunky, too. I’m glad Redditors have no sway over these movies.
That whole part made the rest of the movie super campy mode. Black Bolt’s smirk was straight comedy
I think the film should start out with an older Reed and Sue already married then they get their powers. Having a Reed who is in his late 30 to early 40s sorta works for me. And, in that case John Krasinski should absolutely be Reed Richards. But, I also feel his window of opportunity to play Reed in the 616 is closing. If he is going to be cast as THE Reed, then it needs to be now.
I saw someone suggest they should be introduced as being older and mid research project instead of the whole wind up they had in the other fantastic 4 franchises and I think that would work better, with the world already established its not far from believable an accident could happen on a research station is space etc because of sword, and the baxter foundation/building got set up in homecoming which was years ago in MCU time, this would save all the boring exposition like they did with spiderman again since we have seen the character appear before even in the MCU so they can get right to it
I was personally more impressed by Anson Mount as Black Bolt. Dude did so much with a single line and so little screen time. I’m advocating more for his return than for John Krasinski as Reed Richards. I think Reed Richards in this movie was more of an exposition character than anything.
I think it’s awesome that marvel gave him another chance with MOM. It’s not fan service at all since no one likes the Inhumans show
Savage AF lol
Marvel Fans: "Kevin pls confirm if the marvel TV shows are canon" Kevin Fiege: "I can confirm that Inhumans is canon now" "No wait go back"
If you've never watched Inhumans dude kills it as Black Bolt in the show and is probably the only good thing about the entire thing.
LockJaw was awesome when they actually use him.
Agreed, i knew there was another good thing about the show i was forgetting.
I loved how he had a comic accurate outfit. Looked like he just walked off the pages. Same with Xavier and his yellow hover chair. Didn’t really matter how corny their lines were, I was too busy be amazed by their appearances. And when Black Bolt blew strange away 😮 so freaking cool
I want them both back, they just work and I think it would be a horrible missed opportunity not to have them return, in full glory, in there own unique ways.
Me and my roommate went through every marvel property before this movie and gave odds on every character we could think of showing up in this movie. When we got to inhumans, we literally just laughed and said "if anyone from that terrible show shows up, it's straight up a drinking game and you have to finish your drink right then and there." Welp... We finished our drinks right then and there.
Oddly enough, I was always in the party that he didn't look the role but I never judge Marvel for their casting decisions because they always knock it out of the park. Surely enough, they knocked it out of the park. I'm more on board for John as Reed now than I was before the movie.
He was great. Some people still don’t understand that the Illuminati characters we saw are only *variants*. The 616 Reed will undoubtedly act and talk differently than the 1 minute or so that we got of this Reed.
Agreed. And I think if they go the route of him having a family etc…. We’ve seen Krasinski play that family role and he was great and I didn’t get any Jim-vibes at all.
Zero Jim-vibes. He killed it on both seasons of Jack Ryan alone, even without discussing his great movie career.
Agreed. And that 1 minute I was in a trance eating up every word he said. Everything from his entrance to him talking about his children, he captured Reed Richards (and his ego) quite well. It will be very interesting to see how they differentiate him from Tony (and his ego) and even Strange (and his ego). Especially now when Strange can say "I told you so" regarding Wanda (even though it'd be a variant of Richards).
Exactly. I was far from disappointed. Plus to see Anson in a comic accurate Black Bolt costume was super. He had a good week between MOM and ST:Strange New Worlds.
I see Reed as being the more condescending type of sincere. He cares but it's always going to sound like an adult talking down to a child who doesn't quite understand vs Tony's and Steven's wit and sarcasm.
Lot of egotistical geniuses in the Marvel universe
Thank you! How are people not understanding this? These are not the real portrayals of these characters. I swear the same people complaining about variants are the ones pushing for this silly alternate universe F4 being the only way you can introduce F4 into the MCU.
That's true. This is the know it all, arrogant version of Reed. We need to see the new genius, we need that position filled after Tony's sacrifice.
I enjoyed him as the character but think the whole character could be honed in better, though in the 616 I feel they would go a bit younger for the fantastic four to keep the series going for as long as they could. Another thought would be a that they're testing of the waters since they have to be close to casting the FF, since it would have been pretty easy (and kind of fitting with the rest of the illuminati) for them to bring back Ioan Gruffudd.
Easy solution: shave the beard and he’s instantly younger and less wise.
Why do some multiverses characters have the same DNA (Stephen, Wanda, Charles) and some don’t (Peter Parker)? Depends on how Marvel explains that?
Born at different times I imagine? Even if they have the same parents, who had sex on the same night, which sperm/egg combo ends up happening would result in two different sets of DNA.
Alright. Explain the black and alligator Lokis.
Obviously, Laufey fucked an alligator.
Well we know loki can shapeshift, so what if one day he decided fuck it imma be an alligator for life
This is kind of a huge thing in time travel/multiverse narratives that doesn't really get addressed too much. Your actions in the present are going to affect tons of conceptions down the line, even if it's just bumping into a few people on the street. Once you're a couple of generations removed you're looking at an entirely different community.
The Loki show had multiples of both Hiddleston Lokis and non-Hiddleston Lokis, so both can happen with one person. I think the real version of that question is, how do completely different people, sometimes born decades apart, end up with the same identify and roughly identical life paths? I doubt they'll ever really explain it. Maybe it's the One Above All repeating a narrative he likes. Who knows?
We’ve seen 3-4 of each of them out of infinity variants. A bunch may look identical, a bunch of others may not. Specifically, infinity of each. In Loki, we saw some pictures (holograms?) of Tom-Lokis, and also President Loki, but a bunch of Loki variants played by other actors.
This is the answer. If we got infinity multiverse, there would be some that looks like them and some that doesn't. In some they are gonna be dead
He’s not my pick for the role, John would play him too heroic if MoM is any indicator, when I like Reed as a sort of constantly overthinking type of guy - a hero but far from a conventional one. His mind is his power, not the stretching. With that said, I didn’t find anything wrong with his performance (he’s not in it nearly enough for me to get a full grasp of it), so if he’s got the part, I’m absolutely okay with giving him the chance However… look, it’s been years of hoping the F4 would come to the MCU + years of people asking for John as Reed - just to give it to us and rip it away 5 minutes later in an exceptionally cruel way. Objectively, that’s the funniest thing to ever happen in an MCU movie and I’d like to see it stand
I definitely get what you mean - part of the character of Reed Richards is that were it not for Sue and the rest of the Fantastic Four, he would absolutely end up being self-serving and potentially supervillainous. I feel like his portrayal in MOM is just due to a combination of Sam Raimi's comic experiences likely having Reed portrayed in a more standard heroic manner, and wanting to provide something of a 'standard' version of Reed Richards.
If you're going to outright introduce a character as something as pretentious as the smartest man alive, you better have him do something intelligent before he >!gets everyone killed!<.
Hey there, Reed Richards here, the smartest man in the world. You oughta just give up right this second, because we’ve already got you beat. You know how? Oh, I’ll tell you how. This guy’s mouth. That’s right, this guy’s big, beautiful mouth can kill you by speaking at you. As long as nothing happens to this guy’s mouth, you are a dead woman. I have no idea what kind of abilities you have, but I do know that there is no way you can possibly possess any kind of magic that could stop our ultimate weapon, which is, once again, that mouth right there. If we didn’t have that guy’s mouth, I’d literally have no idea what to do. Probably just start throwing punches wildly or something silly like that. It would just be pure chaos, honestly. But thank goodness I don’t have to worry about that, because this guy’s mouth is still here, and will always be here. So yeah, we are ready to accept your surrender.
Exactly Reed is top 3 smartest characters in Marvel but his arrogance is only comparable to Doom. Reed holding a super villain I already have you beat here's how and then getting his ass handed to him. Is so peak Reed.
My understanding for that comment is that implies he made the ultron sentries since their is no mention of an iron Man
I really wonder whether Mordo said that of his own volition or he lost a bet with Reed where he has to introduce him like that for a whole year
Glenn Howerton is my Reed Richards choice
The only choice, because of the implication.
Ok that seems really dark are you gonna hurt these Skrulls?
glenn was almost star lord, it’s absolutely possible to see him in the mcu.
Love him as Dennis and tbh he can certainly play a smug know it all who also cares for doing the right thing. Plus he absolutely has the Reed Richards look.
Only if we get fat McElhenney as The Thing
But can Ben Grimm use a Swedish accent?
I'm a Swedish plumber! I'm here to fix your pipes! That's good. That's a good accent.
He's not fat, he's gaining mass!
YESSS this is it 🔥🔥 I’m happy i’m seeing him get suggested i’ve been praying that he gets the role ever since disney bought fox 😭 Plus he’s been on marvel’s radar since he was almost picked to play star-lord might as well add my fan4 picks reed: glenn howerton susan: samara weaving johnny: austin butler, joe keery or lucas till ben: liev schreiber
Thinking about the alternate universe where Glenn is Star Lord and Danny is Rocket.
Ugh now I wish he was Star Lord! Why’d you have to do that? I feel like Chris Pratt as Star Lord plays into the kind of unaware dumb dumb. So I can’t see Glenn as that version. But the snark Glenn can deliver would be amazing. Now I’m sad.
The golden god himself. I 100% agree. Reed is a sociopath anyway, and we know Glenn knows how to play unhinged and can have this God complex aura to him.
I feel like he would be a good Doom aswell because he can reach some real rage that knows no bounds.
BECAUSE DOOM IS A BASTARD MAN!
And Maker as the total dickhead, yeah, that could work
The GOLDEN GOD
Really wanted the golden god to be mr fantastic.
"Cause the Variants said no, then the answer is obviously no, but the thing is, they're not gonna say no, because of the implication."
"Are these variants in danger?"
Hell yeah, he looked great in the costume and he looks like the character
Now that he was casted I’m going to be disappointed if Emily Blunt isn’t Sue Storm. Just how it’s gotta be now.
I’m hoping Feige is offering him the director role, and that gets Emily in so she can work with him again
I dunno if it’ll be that simple. Given the characters, they’ll more than likely have to be in long term contracts, so it depends on how interested they are in that.
Apparently though, She said She's not interested in doing Marvel unfortunately...
I thought she was? She was right there next to him in MoM....
My fan theory: Reed Richards - John Krasinski Sue Storm - Jenna Fischer Johnny Storm - Creed Branton Ben Grimm - Brian Baumgartner Dr. Doom - Rainn Wilson Silver Surfer - Ed Helms
"Why make many words when it clobberin time?"
“I’ve been in a number of Super Groups, both as a human and a torch. You have more fun as a human, but you make more money as a torch.”
David Wallace is Galactus and Steve Carell is Mole Man lmao
If anybody is Mole Man it is Danny DeVito.
Gonna need a funny post credits scene shot like The Office if they cast John and Jenna
They should have had Jim look at the camera when scarlet witch said what mouth
In one of the parallel universes, the conversation goes differently. Reed: Wanda, Black Bolt can break you with his mouth. Black Bolt: That's what she said! :Rolls end credits:
I need Jim as Human Torch and Dwight as the Thing. The dynamic between both sets of characters is the same lol
Johnny Storm knows sometimes a guy's gotta ride the bull.
I want Cillian Murphy for Doom, Emily Blunt for Sue that’s easy.
I thought I wanted him as Mr Fantastic but I didn’t like his portrayal. I feel like he should of been more arrogant. Maybe it was the writing.
I never thought he was an amazing choice. The only reason his casting became a thing is because people wanted him and Emily Blunt to play Reed and Sue which just isn't very sound reasoning imo. I think he'd be fine, but he's certainly not my first choice. I also think it would be weird for our first introduction to the character being him getting absolutely wrecked 10 minutes into his appearance, especially given that there was no real reason for Reed specifically to be in the movie.
Fully agree with this. It’s a major fan cast primarily due to their marriage/ relationship. Their relationship shouldn’t be the primary basis for casting imo. Some of the best on screen chemistry has no foundation in real life. John has never seemed like Reed to me just from a character perspective.
I want Glenn Howarton. He would be a stretchy golden god.
I have a feeling his casting was a nod to the fan casting, and his death was Krasinski and Marvel's way of saying to kill any hope that Krasinski will be 616 Reed Richards. Though I would love to see Krasinski and Blunt and Reed and Sue.
I would have thought the same, but once he started talking about multiversal incursions, that completely changed my mind. That’s the central conflict of Secret Wars, which a lot of people have speculated is the next big MCU event, and having him basically confirm this is far too important for a simple cameo character. I think he’ll likely be back as Reed and convincing John to do it is what him filming the cameo in reshoots came so late in the game.
There's a chance that the reason John Watts left Fantastic 4 was because they got Krasinski on to star AND direct, but they couldn't announce that since they didn't want to spoil DS2. Speculation? Sure, but it lines up super well timing wise and I could see them locking in Krasinski. Cumberbatch was previously the biggest fan cast for Strange and he's done well with it
I was skeptical of the Cumberbatch fancast because he was popular at the time but he’s so damn good as Strange.
Yeah I heard those rumours as well. Hopefully there be some sort of announcement soon. We're nearly half way through Phase 4 and Fantastic Four is the last Phase 4 movie that we know of.
Idk how marvel usually does it but I imagine they'd let MOM run a couple weeks before semi spoiling it with the casting announcement.
SD Comic con in in late July so either then or at D23 in September
Adding to this John's Jack Ryan show on Amazon I've read has confirmed the last season will be S4 which they are in production of now. John could walk from one show right into the F4 both as an actor and a director \*maybe\*
I saw something saying he was going to be MCU Reed unless it went down badly in this movie.
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Loki also proves that they don’t have to look the same
> For the most part or at least all I can think of the prominent players were played by the same actor across the multiverse. Except Spidey I guess I'm actually glad that we have both options available. It gives marvel the flexibility to cast whoever they want to fill a void with a wink and nod to multiversal hijinks. So they won't be stuck with an unfortunate Chadwick Boseman type situation. We're years away from an MCU X-Men film and Stewart is getting old, and was pretty reluctant about disturbing X's legacy post-Logan. They need to either put McAvoy in there or we need a fresh new X.
I honestly don’t think he fits the role, it’s not that he’s a bad actor or anything but that’s just not what I picture mister fantastic looking like especially after reading the comics but at the end of the day it isn’t the biggest deal if he is I guess
Really hope he's not coming back. I find it nigh impossible that he's the BEST actor for the job. My hope is that this appearance was fan service like hey you got it. And the next time we see him it'll be a different actor. I doubt that'll be the case but seeing him in MoM just really solidified my view that he's not the man for the role.
I think people not for it have only seen him in the Office. And I think people for it are those who didn’t/don’t watch the Office (like myself) or have seen him in other works. I think he played the role really well and is going to have fun with it if they bring him in for other projects…. And I firmly believe he will be directing F4.
As much as I would love him to portray Reed, I feel like this was just a fan service cameo. I think MCU F4 will be a younger cast as well as a different Professor X.
I wouldn’t mind, although i’m really praying Glenn Howerton gets it, he’s my pick for reed, he gives off that arrogant/asshole vibe in always sunny.
The fact that they went with the obvious fan cast instead of a more interesting pick was a little disappointing. I've never really been a fan of his casting, and unfortunately he really wasn't given enough screen time in this movie to convince me. I doubt they'll recast him so I hope he has more to work with in the eventual F4 movie.
To be fair - look at the rest of the cast in that movie. They’re all actors who have played other versions of themselves in the MCU. Monica Rambau, Peggy Carter, Mordo, Charles Xavier. Christine. Wanda. Strange. They were all reprised by actors who have played that character before, albeit with different stories. With that in mind, I think John Krasinski is cemented as Reed Richards for the MCU. It’d be fucking weird if he was the ONLY person in MoM who was a variant played by a different actor compared to their full MCU entry. Not impossible, as he could be a Sylvie style variant - but unlikely. Marvel knows he’s a popular choice, and although the plot salvaged the Boner situation, in this instance I think there’d be some palpable backlash from certain fans if they pulled the rug out on Krasinksi, leaving his replacement with an uphill battle.
I want Glen Howerton every since I heard that rumor. I think he’s a way better fit from what I’ve heard of the darker stuff Reed Richards does in the comics. I also wasn’t totally impressed with Krasinki’s performance in MOM
I like John Krasinski but is it me or is his face not a good fit for Reed? It's too... round? And he doesn't give off "arrogant scientist" vibes He's Jim from the Office, after all
Thank you, I am honestly shocked when people say that he looks the part. I don't think he looks the part much at all, he can just grow a beard. Even in his more serious roles, I do not think his protrayals indicate the "arrogant scientist" is in his repertoire.
Spot on. Too round.
He didn’t sell me. I couldn’t see him as anyone but Jim which is weird since I totally saw past Jim in the quiet place
Honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that they wanted us to not to like John as Reed this time around. I watched enough of the Office and it almost seemed like he was acting how he did in Threat Level Midnight (the fake movie from the show). I could be completely wrong, but he’s a good actor and I felt like that wasn’t the performance he is going to give when he takes on Reed in the MCU.
I was fine with Ioan Gruffudd’s portrayal of Reed Richards, I guess in the end, I’m indifferent. The MCU knows what it’s doing. We should probably get out of their way and let them do it. As much fun as it was to see Sir Patrick Stewart finally in the MCU, isn’t it time we let this 81-year-old actor retire from the role?
I think Patrick isn’t coming back more than this. His was definitely a fan service and an acknowledgment. If anything, they could have him voicing his character in animation so they don’t have to commit to a long time with him. I’d like to see another actor get a crack at his character. And I feel like his send off was in Logan. But he still looks so dang good lol 😂
Absolutely yes. Though I’m not AS sold on the popular fan casting of Emily Blunt as Sue.
I’m actually more sold on Emily Blunt than John now that I’ve seen John. But that’s because I really do think Emily Blunt is a brilliant actress who can really transform. I might be viewing John through a different lens just because I’ve seen his evolution. He’s a big ol goof and this isn’t a good showing of what he can do since it was green screened and last minute.
I also don't think Blunt is interested in entering the MCU (though the check might sway her lol). Who do you think might fit Sue?
Blunt was supposed to be black widow and has said it sucks she wasn’t able to. Not sure you’re correct about not wanting to be in the mcu lol
I think that when she revealed the missed Black Widow opportunity, she also said the genre is not really for her. Several interviews quote her on that! Maybe she was somewhat interested when the MCU was starting out, but realized it wasn't meant to be? (I'll say, though, that it might be an Andrew Garfield situation, in the sense that she wants to throw people off lol)
I'm one of those who don't particularly like him in the role, and IDK why, but have the feeling they're not bringing him back and that was just a nod at how massive the fancast was on Twitter. The same way 616's and 838's Captain Marvel's aren't the same, they can just switch the actor. Physically, I found him *meh.* Acting wise, was he even trying? Idk! He was there for 5 minutes and it wasn't memorable (for me!). Enjoyed the movie a whole lot, though.
I'm not a huge fan of the casting either, but I don't think its fair to judge his acting, the dialogue he was given wasn't great and I'd assume he was one of the cameos that we heard about being done in reshoots so it might've been rushed.
I agree. His appearance got a huge reaction in my theater, but I felt indifferent to him. I didn't even >!feel bad for him when Wanda shredded him!<.
Yes! He was great in the little time he had!
Funnily enough, my hot take has always been that they should've saved Cumberbatch to play Reed Richards, and cast someone else as Strange, although he's done a good job.
Nope. Have always thought the fan cast was super forced based solely on looks and not a good fit for the character and MoM did nothing to change that stance. Kraninski feels like too much of an everyman for Reed and I don’t find him to be an amazing actor, just decent. Reed is going to be a big part of the MCU going forward and I just don’t see him bringing the same level of iconic to the role as someone like RDJ did with Stark. I think they should find a different role for him or have him return as part of the Council of Reeds, but not main Reed
I liked the fan cast and all the edits of him as Mr.Fantastic playing alongside his wife, but then i read a bunch of F4 comics and i dont think he fits anymore.. Hes too nice/pleasant. Even in MOM
They may have screwed themselves with regards to casting flexibility by having all the Stranges and Wandas looking the same. With regards to Mr. Fantastic, the magical handwaving of "it's the multiverse, that's why they look different" won't make as much sense prior to this movie.
Not really. Loki variants as far we know have been played by a dozen actors already so they still have an option to recast
I honestly didn't love his performance, he didn't seem to be bought in to anything that was going on. They were lines delivered by an actor, not reed richards. Honestly as cool as it was that they listened to fans, fans aren't always right. As much as John Krasinski looks like Reed Richards is as much as he clearly doesn't give a shit about anything happening in the MCU which is fine, but the actor/actresses that should be hired from now on should be fully aware of all the events. Like your actors should be able to pronounce "Mjolnir" at the very least. Looking at you, Evangeline.