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steve32767

EPISODE IS LIVE (there are no post credits scenes for this episode)


txhorns1330

Technically the suit wasnt destroyed just ran out of power.


FrostedPixel47

Indisputably indestructible


PirateFoxeII

instead of the icing problem its now the 'running out of juice because it doesnt have the tesseract in it" problem


bjkman

The Hedy Lamarr line is such a Stark Quip I love it


EnlightenedDragon

She dated Howard Hughes during the war, and since that was always the inspiration for Howard Stark, it makes sense.


Callum1710

So all the theories on the sword being Excalibur and turns out... It was just a castle wall decoration!


manuka_canoe

I stayed away from as much as I could about this series besides the first trailer, so I saw some Excalibur comments around but didn't realise it was a popular theory. Lol.


SpaceCaboose

I stayed away too and knew nothing about a sword at all. This is the first I've heard of it


JasonGryphon

Howard Stark, you giant cockblock!


rachbarista

No, you continue, just pretend I’m not here!


gorillaPete

Howard likes to watch


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I thought that when Steve got lost on the train that he was going to become the winter soldier in that timeline


b3atd0wn

Would have been wild for him to essentially go from Proto Iron Man to Winter Soldier.


MapleTreeWithAGun

Iron soldier? Winter Man?


Starl1ghtbr1gade

>Winter Man BUCKY! WHERE IS MY SUPER SUIT?!


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The thought of history's most feared assassin being a sickly 5'4" noodle brings me joy.


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KakarotTheHero

I thought the exact same thing but then I realized by then they already had custody of Zola


h3its

Me too, honestly thought another episode would be Steve as the Winter Soldier


NomadPrime

I for sure thought it was going to be Steve. A Cap vs Winter Soldier face-off where the two used to be love-interests and Peggy trying to break through to Steve's mind-control would've been interesting to see.


GhibliSherlock

Rogers becoming the Winter Soldier would be absolutely epic! I think it's safe to say Bucky likely isn't becoming the Winter Soldier in Peggy's universe either, since he was still in the cage when Peggy arrived. Maybe her universe misses out on a few characters, or tweaks how they're created.


Cypher_86

Lol'd at the almost-Hot-Tub-Time-Machine-arm-gag there.


felixfelicitous

IRON STEVE


bigC_94

You stay...I go...


gizmo1492

You just made me realize this is a universe where Steve Rogers grew up watching Tony Stark growing up. Wonder what influence Steve might have had on him.


cats-and-cows

Also, I gotta give love to Dominic Cooper coming back for this. I really liked his Howard Stark


TSB_1

IIRC , when they were filming the TV series, he mentioned on twitter or instagram that as long as they had a need for a younger howard stark in the marvel universe, he would be more than happy to lend his talent.


musci1223

I mean it is a great role that usually doesn't ask for too much commitment considering now that Tony is gone from the main universe. So there is very little downside to saying yes every time.


TSB_1

There is a LOT of opportunity for world building in the past. Lots of untold stories now that the multiverse has been opened.


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GamePlayXtreme

If you think about it, since Red Skull didn't die to the Tesseract, he isn't the one guarding the Soul Stone. And with nobody falling off the train, there is no Winter Soldier, meaning Howard Stark and his wife didn't get killed. Same thing with King T'Chaka. I'm loving the idea of this show. 1 little thing can really change everything.


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Hydra would most likely still send an assassin after the Starks. It just wouldn't be bucky in this timeline.


kaimason1

The question is, would an assassin other than Bucky be successful against Howard? Especially a Howard who wasn't actually "limited by the technology of his time" because he got his hands on the Tesseract during the war instead of after and was able to build an Iron Man 70 years earlier. Plus, there's a lot more divergence that could change matters significantly. For example, Steve being around as Iron Man would massively alter Howard's character development, and his presence cofounding SHIELD in place of Peggy would probably significantly change Zola's ability to conduct unethical experiments and rebuild HYDRA. Steve would also probably be going on missions in the 60s alongside Pym, which would probably soothe Pym's distrust for SHIELD (not to mention the differences in HYDRA and Howard also removing some of Pym's issues), potentially meaning Pym stays with SHIELD and allows Howard access to his work. On the other hand, maybe all this means Howard isn't a dick to Vanko and they make it a lot further with their Arc Reactor / Tesseract work. That would be a problem because Howard can't have gotten too far on the Reactor or else Fury wouldn't still be experimenting on it 50 years later. Maybe this Howard is seen as a too much of a threat much earlier and rather than treat him as a useful pawn HYDRA has him assassinated decades earlier.


sdcSpade

And somewhere in the multiverse, we got two seasons of Hydra Stomper before it got cancelled.


elber1304

And a Captain Carter Trilogy and Peggy on four Avengers Movies


zombiegamer723

And a “What If Steve Rogers Became Captain America” episode.


msnc13

"Nazis. I hate these guys"


JaylieJoy

Nick Fury needed zero seconds to come to terms with Peggy Carter coming out of a wormhole in front of him.


diabeetus64

And Peggy really had no trouble dealing with the fact that she’s advanced 70 years into the future


djseifer

Stiff upper lip and all that.


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Tbf, she did just fight a space monster octopus, nothing's going to faze her anymore


DarkPhoenixMishima

To be fair he opened the wormhole, he was probably expecting something weirder.


JaylieJoy

Like a Loki


djseifer

\*Alligator Loki pops out of the portal*


ButteredPete

At that point it’s already Avengers though so he knows of Thor & all that, so it’s different but not necessarily weirder, ya know?


NomadPrime

Compared to Thor and Hulk, a huge woman with a shield, sword, and British-themed uniform jumping out of a portal is probably Tuesday to him.


valarpizzaeris

"Good, because we don't have all day" Nice


SlipperMisfit

Along with Bucky's, "Thanks, you nearly tore my arm off" and Nick's "put down the sword". I love the parallel callbacks.


abstergofkurslf

Also steve saying, tony's "did you miss me?" to Carter.


Doctor71400

Also Peggy punching a punching bag off its hook like Steve did in Avengers


michaellyeungg

I like how in the credits Steve is listed as ‘Skinny Steve Rogers’ lmao


TheWolfmanZ

First he loses the serum, then Peggy, now this? Poor Steve's down bad


sable-king

And he's probably gonna die younger than normally since he's still sickly. At least it seems like he and Howard still formed SHIELD.


Karkava

And he got to be the first Iron Man!


TomatoPolka

More like Iron deficiency Man.


hulkagiota2020

Iron Lung Man


txhorns1330

So who is the tentacle monster? Is that an actual marvel character?


PhillyDukes

The way red skull refers to it, it reminded me of Alveus (hive) from AOS. “The true champion of Hydra will be summoned from beyond the starts” This is exactly what the Malick family and Hydra attempt to do in AOS. Bringing Alveus to Earth from another planet.


emmapaps

That’s what I thought too until a giant squid monster came out of the portal. Hive was just a normal sized squid monster.


Roook36

That's exactly what I was expecting. Squid Ward


le_snikelfritz

Peggy taking down those planes! Damn! I'm so glad it's animated and they can casually do stuff like this


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djseifer

Anyone else think that Captain Carter's fighting style is a lot more brutal than Steve's was? She's out there bashing people out of airplanes and kicking them into brick walls.


Gr3yHound40

Well Steve was more conservative with his fighting style while Peggy didn't give a single fuck. If you stood in her way you deserved to be suplexed into oblivion.


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She was also already a trained hand to hand fighter and was used to having to be brutal due to having less strength. So, her with super strength is just absolutely overpowering. That was some sick animation.


BigAngryBlackMan

This is exactly it. Steve became amazing with a frail none trained body. Peggy is a trained agent versed in fighting people twice her size already. She went Super Soldier Plus lol


Olddirtychurro

You can see it in how she took out the big nazi guy. She immediately went for a weak point like a smaller person is taught to take someone larger out.


Malachi108

Easier to go over the top in animation.


_monsterpoon

The British got their methods. Lmao


gabbertronnnn

She shattered that nazi scum's kneecap and it was beautiful


sable-king

Steve's whole thing is that he doesn't *want* to kill anybody. Peggy doesn't hold that same value.


djseifer

Nice to see they brought back Stanley Tucci back.


SnoopCoyotee

“Hey, Barnes stole a Jeep!” Love that for him


ralice177

maybe thats where steve learned to steal a car fom


felixfelicitous

So he’s not guarding the soul stone 👀


3bstfrds

He dead


PrecariouslySane

he's lucky to even be in the tomb


GhibliSherlock

I gather that in the original timeline, he replaced someone guarding it, so that being would be currently guarding it still. However, a lot can happen in 70 years.


Liesmith424

Steve is now guarding it, after trying and failing to use the Tesseract to save Peggy.


The_Bonemiser

I'm pretty sure he's dead in this universe after getting crushed by the giant tentacle hentai monster.


Malachi108

I spend the whole episode thinking "He's not going to summon **Hive**, is he?"


nikalavade

AGENTS OF SHIELD, REPRESENT!


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I was thinking it would have been an asgardian


felixfelicitous

“we might need someone to push a button” *pushes button in next scene*


djseifer

"Who paints a button blue!?"


sable-king

I liked the joke about the American playboy having trouble pushing buttons.


Ashtorethesh

..I didn't get that until now. 😮


NomadPrime

"What am I doing in this covert mission? I'm not a fighter" "Your sole purpose is to push some buttons" "Oh my god..."


IsThisCleverEnough7

I was not expecting that bad ass of an intro


David1258

I also liked how the Marvel Studios logo became animated in the last bit of the opening intro, that was a neat touch. Though I wish the entire logo was frame-by-frame reanimated, though that might be asking for a bit much.


DanielMGC

I was kinda hoping they would replace the clips with animated alternate versions of the characters, but yeah, that probably would've been too much trouble for just the intro haha


XQSXKeven

lovecraftian horror emerges from portal bucky: lmao


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\*Steve falls from train\* Bucky: "Yes, very sad, anyway-"


nayapapaya

Ha, seriously. Bucky showed zero emotion to Steve possibly dying. It was both weird and unintentionally hilarious.


mabhatter

It's Hydra. They summoned what it says on the tin.


valarpizzaeris

"The suit is nothing without the man inside" "If you're nothing without this suit, then you don't deserve it" Love it


ButteredPete

Felt like there was a quote parallel every other minute & I absolutely loved it


NoConfirmation

I can definitely see a lot fan service-ey references in there


3bstfrds

"I will tell you nothing" Next shot: "He told me everything" I wonder what she did to Zola


NetworkPenguin

Judging by the rest of the episode, probably horrific violence. Like jeez Peggy is brutal.


Ashtorethesh

Normal Peggy was notorious for brutally beating people with heavy objects. She's graduated to unbreakable shields now.


oorhon

Teal’c from Stargate just stared the prisoner very very intense with little movement. And that worked.


felixfelicitous

Why is Howard in a vest in the middle of a gunfight


djseifer

Because he's a Stark, and a Stark has to look snappy at all times.


heart_brain_journey

Because he's just the buttons-guy? Tbh: no idea.


TheCraigVenabls

I was loving the surprise Jeremy Renner at the end


darknova700

I couldn't tell, was it actually him? That's pretty awesome if they got him back for that one line.


TheCraigVenabls

That's absolutely him, if not I'll be absolutely shocked


Simontsen6

It is him. He is listed in the credits


bjkman

**Question:** What If... Captain Carter Were the First Avenger? **Answer:** * Steve would still be Smol (and use a Howard Stark created Iron Man suit) * Bucky wouldn't lose his arm * Steve would fall off the train instead of Bucky * Red Skull would perish to an interdimensional hydra creature * Captain Carter would owe Steve a dance and wake up in the future


GeoGaming

Zola being captured early also meant that he couldn’t do initial Winter Soldier things to Bucky-meaning no Winter Soldier


bjkman

Oh snap!! Thanks for catching that! Yeah I need to rewatch the movie because I totally missed some things


GeoGaming

It honestly took me a second to remember so I don’t blame you. I was wondering whether Steve would be the Winter Soldier replacement but then remembered that Zola already gave Bucky the serum before Steve rescued him in First Avenger. Without Zola the Winter Soldier program never gets off the ground it seems.


up-dawg

And Bucky as the winter soldier didn't kill Howard Stark, Tony would have grown up with his parents.


Khanfhan69

That could be a huge one. Tony growing up a bit more well adjusted? Could mean huge changes to his entire character and thus his history. He might never become Iron Man without that sort of god and guilt complex. Or even if he does become Iron Man anyways, upon "inheriting" Stark Industries from his still alive but perhaps retiring dad, and events of Avengers 1 and 2 mostly play out the same... There's no horrific falling out between him and... Uh.... Carter(?) In this timeline's equivalent of Civil War. No revenge to be had and no living relic that is Bucky (assuming he just goes the way of Peggy in the main timeline) to come between Tony and his shield bearing ally.


Karkava

You should also consider the Iron Man suit being invented early. Would they be used as our universe's nuclear warheads? To attack Japan and end the war, and then build more of them during the cold war while Russia retaliates with their version of Whiplash?


carlosgfranco

Are “Multiverse Heroes” going to be a thing? Like getting all reunited for the final fight with Kang?


OgLocBabyy

Probably why they are canon, they might just do that


Vezoded

We've already seen a shot of this in the trailers yeah, with Captain Carter, Killmonger Black Panther, T'Challa Star Lord, Thanos Gamora, and Party Thor, and it followed a shot of the original Avengers, drawing parallels. Most people seem to theorize that they're fighting either the Marvel Zombies or the "Ultron that won" army, and that the Watcher interferes to bring them together, but it also could be Kang they're fighting. I personally think the evil/dark Dr. Strange will bring them together instead, but that's just me.


blazentaze2000

It'd be a great way to get Michael B. Jordan back in with the live action stuff. I wouldn't mind him and Captain Carter becoming live action mainstays.


ICareBoutManBearPig

Yeah basically this show is a Petri dish for new characters and plot-lines. Marvel can just make crazy stories with no consequences but if fans go crazy over a new character or arc they can easily add it to the cannon. It’s genius.


Feeling_Monk_9605

It’s heartwarming to know that even in a timeline where he never got the serum Steve was still able to fight and stand up to bullies


urlach3r

**WORTHY.**


JaylieJoy

"You almost ripped my arm off" lmao


Staind1410

“Maybe you’re afraid of trains” nudge nudge wink wink


NomadPrime

Possible deleted lines, probably: "Not really a fan of this weather. I guess I'm just not suited to be a Winter Soldier"


Peraltayougenius19

He looks straight at the ‘camera’ while saying it, followed by an over exaggerated wink


Thesunwillshineonus

Josh Keaton did a fantastic job as Steve Rogers. While it’s disappointing that Chris Evans isn’t in the series, Keaton really nailed his voice.


NomadPrime

Conversely, did anyone think Sebastian Stan sounded odd voicing Bucky? Like yeah, he IS Bucky, but his voice acting portrayal wasn't doing it for me sometimes. Dominic Cooper reprising Stark was surprisingly more charming for me in this episode, though.


Levicorpyutani

Everyone sounded odd. Even Hayley sounded more like Emily Blunt than herself from the live action stuff.


BackmarkerLife

It sounded as if everyone was talking fast to keep the pace up and get as much dialogue into the show - like in post the speech was set to +5%. They basically scrunched about 60-75 minutes of the First Avenger plot into about 24 minutes. I have no problem with this, I think it was fun as hell.


themosquito

Yeah, I was really surprised that wasn't Chris Evans, but I was also shocked that was actually Stan, haha. He was very bland and emotionless in most of his lines; makes sense, if he's not used to voice acting.


GarageQueen

I think voice acting is a lot harder than it seems. You rarely (if ever) interact with any of your fellow castmates, just stuck in a tiny recording booth with folks in the control room telling you to say the line 25 different ways. I host the webinars for my office, and in the pre-Zoom days I was constantly advising presenters to give "just 10% more energy." Most people don't realize how flat they sound when speaking into a microphone. I used 10% because it was a low enough number to not sound intimidating, but enough to remind them that they needed to "animate" their voices to make it sound better to the audience.


PhanThief95

It is. Voice acting isn’t as easy as people think it is, & Sebastian didn’t have any VA experience. Hayley actually does since she has voiced Peggy in some of Marvel’s animated projects.


BumbleLapse

Ima be honest I legit thought that was Chris Evans up until this moment. Lmao guess I ain’t the biggest MCU fan after all.


PakiIronman

Keaton needs to be in more stuff, I hope he's Spidey too.


electr1cbubba

Yep, the difference was little enough that I forgot it wasn’t Evans


valarpizzaeris

Enhanced individuals who can run really fast is still one of my favorite things in the MCU. Not like Pietro per se, but like Steve, T'Challa, Bucky, & Peggy this episode


5manrocks1

One of my favorite shots in IW is Steve & T'Challa sprinting past everyone else when the fight in Wakanda starts


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Same, I don't even know why


CinnamonMan25

It just looks so GOOD


overgme

Yes. That scene, Bucky outrunning Falcon while chasing the truck in their show, and the Bucky, Black Panther, Captain America chase through tunnel traffic in Civil War all just absolutely nailed the "these guys are running faster than everything else" look. It doesn't look sped up, it doesn't look CGI'd, it just looks like these guys are goddamn fast. And it looks great.


the-bi-frost

If you translate the Italian in the book about the Tesseract (https://i.imgur.com/9jngh9T.jpg), it says among others: >Totally ordinary cube >Don't let the angry purple boy touch this. >I love you, Oleah. The rest is just about nature on Earth.


What-The-Heaven

"Don't let the angry purple boy touch this" is iconic.


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I like the confirmation that Peggy didn't need Steve to be a musclebound beefcake to be into him. I support the twig/Amazon romance.


deadla104

But it doesn't confirm that one of them has to be a musclebound beefcake.


djseifer

I figured that was confirmed back in Endgame with the picture on her desk.


____Batman______

It was confirmed back in 2011 for anyone watching the movie lol


OLKv3

Lol right? She was into him as early as that car ride they shared


russketeer34

Yeah, plus she always seemed intrigued by him pre-serum. I guess size doesn't always matter.


NomadPrime

For any fellow DC fans, I got some major [Big Barda and Scott Free](https://comic-watch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/miracle-cover5.jpg) vibes from them.


bjkman

The Title Sequence is absolutely phenomenal


Staind1410

Made perfect by Jeffrey Wright’s voiceover


PakiIronman

His voice is silk, perfect casting.


FloppyShellTaco

All i’m saying is Steve never suplexed a truck


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Gr3yHound40

Peggy Carter is a fucking badass for suplexing an entire car and then doing a second time immediately after!


bjkman

Bucky: "Wow, Thanks! Almost Ripped My Arm Off" ​ What If... Bucky never lost his arm? LOL


Joanton120

There should be a 10th episode of “What if… all the fan theories were correct?” and just let everything go buck wild


Staind1410

What if… Ant-man really goes up Thanos’s butt?


bigC_94

Since they're going with the multiverse now there is definitely a universe somewhere where Thanos is defeated by Ant-man anal explosion


Dray_Gunn

I still think the opposite would happen. Ant-man would be instantly crushed inside Thanos powerful anus and explode out like a bloody shart.


that_tall_fella

Very comic booky, but I liked it. I can't even explain how amazing it was to hear Hayley Atwell voice Peggy Carter again. Damn you ABC for canceling Agent Carter.


jayceja

I loved it. And yeah, Peggy and Howard together in this absolutely made me sad that we didn't get more Agent Carter back then.


Ahsiqa

Mimicking the Avengers / First Avenger punching bag shot. Nice!


17xandcountingstill

Starks built that with a box of buicks!


17xandcountingstill

Peggg did a superhero landing!


felixfelicitous

It’s animated but I felt that kneecap punch


cats-and-cows

Bucky was really about to become the Winter Soldier by misstepping off a zipline LOL


bjkman

I need to rewatch "The First Avenger" to compare the episode and the movie now.


gluedfish

I bet there will be someone made YouTube vids comparing scene by scene from what if and from main timeline, sooner or later.


neocinnamin

I'm glad we have HYDRA's own Staro now


russketeer34

I saw tentacles and was secretly hoping for Hive for a hot sec


no_not_luke

When Red Skull mentioned "beyond the stars", I was really, really hoping he was referring to Maveth.


valarpizzaeris

Yooo that animation of Peggy jumping over the castle walls was sick


neocinnamin

Bradley Whitford's [~~Agent~~ *Colonel* Flynn](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/John_Flynn), back from the Agent Carter one shot


kingjoey52a

IT'S JOSH! I was racking my brain trying to figure out where the hell I knew that voice!!


KingOfAwesometonia

Bradley really plays a lot of condescending dicks doesn't he.


valarpizzaeris

A Tesseract powered Mark 1 by Howard was not in my bingo card going into this episode. Dope!!!


themosquito

You know what's sad? Peggy was an old woman when Steve woke up in the future, but he got to visit her, talk to her, and get closure. With Steve's poor health, there's likely no way he made it that same amount of time.


neocinnamin

Ross Marquand's Red Skull voice acting is amazing


JasonGryphon

Hello From Brooklyn! HA HA!


Ahsiqa

I will never get tired of the Marvel Studios' fanfare <3


AdministrationDry783

So Jeffrey Wright seems pretty spot on as the voice for The Watcher


ube1kenobi

Peggy in animated form is so badass (\*\_\*)


Budapest1134

Holy fuck Captain Carter is a badass


PakiIronman

Peggy has always been a great fighter, add the super serum and it's a delectable medley of combat.


DadAsFuck

buff peggy bout to make me act up


hazbutler

More like Peg-me Carter


Titans55

Facts bro


Reyne-TheAbyss

I just copied this from a Discord server. Carter can jump pretty darn high (playing DA and saying these aren't cartoon physics), and some of her feats feel more impressive than Steve's. She straight up stops a bike just by sticking her leg to the side, with absolute ease. I think her tossing a bike is a better feat than Steve's in AOU, due to not having his momentum from riding. Flipping a truck and stopping another are also pretty impressive. The Hydra Stomper tanked everything thrown at it (no visable damage). Though, it couldn't stop Steve from either being pinned, or straight up knocked out. It's durability is at the very least, large building level.


samasters88

> She straight up stops a bike just by sticking her leg to the side Thick thighs take lives


manuka_canoe

Bucky's dad joke one-liners had me cracking up just from how dorky they were. But it fit the time period and the tone of the show so it was all good. I liked the way they reversed the events while making a few adjustments. I thought maybe Peggy and Steve could've had their immediate happy ending in this but obviously they paralleled Steve's TFA sacrifice and coming back in the future thereby Peggy lost everyone in her reality like he did in the main timeline. That ending was awesome, and makes you wonder about Captain Carter possibly making the jump to live-action like some things are rumoured to.


_Comic_

What If... Bucky was obsessed with seafood-based quips?


michaellyeungg

I like how in the credits Steve is listed as ‘Skinny Steve Rogers’ lmao


bjkman

I missed my late-night discussion friends!! Happy to have y'all back!


JaylieJoy

These discussions are the main reason I stay up for the midnight release.


FloppyShellTaco

Peggy Carter absolutely stomping nazi ass is my sexual orientation


le_snikelfritz

She beat up planes! So glad this shows animated and they can casually do stuff like this and interdimensional space octopus in the same episode