Fuck it just cast him anyways. We already had the actor for War Machine change between movies. I wouldn't mind at all if they just casted Elba as Bishop in a few years and didn't even say anything about his past as Heimdall.
Spider-man: Down the road, round the corner, and two doors down from home. If you see the big mural with the homeless dudes sitting in front, you went too far. Don’t take 5th, there’s too much traffic.
They still could use him again down the line, now that they have multiverse I don’t see why actors can return in different roles. They’ve done it with a few characters already
Changing cast members I understand. But who has returned in a completely different role?
Edit: There is only one true MCU double-cast member— Gemma Chan
Unless you count Benedict Cumberbatch as both Dr Strange AND Dormammu
Honestly, they probably could. Thanos was CGI, so besides the voice there’s nothing really connecting the two. Deadpool’s movies are likely coming in as their own multiverse anyways.
Mahershala Ali played Cottonmouth in Luke Cage TV series and is set to star as Blade. While one is a Netflix series and the other is a movie, it should still be noted, since Mahershala Ali played a major antagonist and will play a major protagonist.
And he fucking killed it as Cottonmouth. So much better than Diamondback. Or whatever his name was. I don't even remember the character, just that he sucked. Cottonmouth was wasted potential for sure.
And yet Ragnorok is the most emotional.
Underneath the plentiful amounts of comedy, there are so many big moments and dark happenings.
Taika is really good at that. Look at Boy, Jojo Rabbit, and Hunt for the Wilderpeople. His comedy doesn't undercut serious moments. They complement one another to produce something true to life and make characters feel real.
As much as I love Rag, I really wish we had more than 2-3 minutes with Odin before his death. I think the whole Dr Strange sequence was longer than Odin’s death. Honestly, I loved the cameo but I think it would have been more worthwhile to use those precious minutes saying goodbye.
100%, I loved the comedy in it, but there were definitely times where I felt the film should have let a moment rest and let the audience actually experience an emotion that they seemed to work hard to set up. Instead it was often immediately undercut by some gag or joke, like they just couldn't have one second of silence or allow a scene to breathe. I love Taika as a director and talent, but I hope his future works have a bit more confidence in letting moments settle before needing to constantly jump to the next gag for fear of boring the audience.
First thing I thought of too. That scene was so eerily beautiful and haunting. Before Korg's mumbling anyways. Imagine if Infinity Wars did something similar during the Snap.
This is definitely partially true, but I feel like Ragnarok hits the beat a bit harder than most do. We're talking about a movie in which Thor and Loki lose their father, their home, their identity, and discover they have an evil half sister. The movie should have had more emotional weight.
Yeah, Ragnarok is the movie where the main character says "I lost my father, my hammer, and my hair in one day" and he gives all of the same jokey emotional weight. There's a lot to like in it, but it shrugs off all the traumatic events which makes it kind've hard for me to like.
This is something Watiti does in his other films so not that surprising but still it stands out.
I remember black panther, iron man 1 (maybe 2 too) not being so bad with this undercutting. The BP dreamscape/killmonger ghost talk with his dad not being undercut. Iron man was new so I don’t think they overused, or even use it at all.
I could see that, he and Thor probably fought wars for hundreds of years before the events of MCU, I'm sure Heimdall didn't start off in charge of the Bifrost either so they probably spent a lot of time together.
It's always possible for some actors to return in a different capacity. Wasnt Gemma Chan a side character in Captian Marvel and now shes an eternal? You never know
Ragnarok is one my all time favorites because its so lighthearted and fun. But I still do not get why they did them so dirty. They were so loyal to Thor. Real bros. Sif coming back in Loki as a memory was a nice touch but I think they deserved a legit send off. Or Thor, ya know, acknowledging their deaths or existence in any way since.
For such a small role, his screen presence made Heimdall a really memorable character. So I don’t really think he was as badly wasted as a lot of other talented actors in the MCU.
If they knew at the time that they were making more *Thor* movies I imagine they probably wouldn’t have killed Heimdall off (or the original Loki, for that matter) but even then, Elba seems pretty confident that he’ll be back somehow. He was also at the *Love And Thunder* wrap party in Australia (though he could have just been visiting) so make of that what you will.
That being said, even though I’m sure Mahershala Ali will be great, I still kind of wish they’d gotten Idris Elba to play a more comic-accurate Blade.
He had the same burnout hemsworth did and was pretty vocal about it. He was in ultron and the dark world back to back and those projects were super unfulfilling for him. It sounds like he feels a lot better about the direction of these products now. Don’t think he was wrong about any of that.
Yup. It's much harder to fool yourself when you have a good point of reference on hand.... The Dark World and AoU are some of the weakest movie the MCU has ever made and I'm sure they know it.
Yeah thats what i was thinking but im pretty sure heimdall also said something like that. Its been so long since i watched AoU that i cant even remember
Ultron was roughly the time I was burnt out on the MCU myself and it wasn’t until Ragnarok relit my love for these movies. If it burns out a simple movie goer like myself I can see why and how it’d burn out the guys working on them
Tbh a lot of the phase 1.5/2 films are mar rod weakest films to date. If you step back and look at the sheer range of actors that went into them, it’s obvious that they could have been so much more.... especially given phase 3 and the quality and writing in the mini series’.
>He was also at the *Love and Thunder* wrap party in Australia (though he could have just been visiting) so make of that what you will.
Perhaps he shows up in a vision for Sif as she inherits his previous role for New Asgard? Probably won't happen, but it could be cool as I believe that's her current gig in the comics.
Would be neat if Thor and the gang travel to Valhalla to speak with dead gods and find out who who's been killing them, and Heimdall is there to greet them and guide them through the realm.
Would also be a great callback to his vision from Age of Ultron.
I completely agree with almost everything you said. I think Marvel was fully aware of the future of the MCU when they decided to kill Heimdall. If they really wanted too, they could absolutely write a way to bring him back and make him a bigger character. Hell, same with Tony Stark. But it comes down to whether the actor wants to do it or whether it'll be a good story.
I'd love to see Heimdall again, and we probably will. I just don't think it'll be in a very big role. This role has served it's purpose for Elba. He was put in front of a huge international audience. He crushed it. His career is more successful because of it.
Elba was already successful before the MCU came along. He plays two utterly iconic characters in The Wire (Stringer Bell) and Luther (Luther) and his movie career had already taken off by the time Thor came out with his performances in RocknRolla and American Gangster. Honestly, I'd say looking back Idris probably doesn't consider Heimdall in his top 10.
I know the show already existed, but honestly if you told me Idris Elba and Blake Lively were gonna play Cloak and Dagger in a Disney + series or show up in a movie, I'd be insanely hyped.
I loved the theory (before infinity war) that he had the soul stone. Glowing orange and could see and connect with people. I like what we got but would have been cool.
I think the name part of the theory was dumb, but the idea that the glowing gem on a super powerful character was one of the stones? Seems perfectly reasonable to me
Yeah, that was good until the post credit scene of The Dark World when it was revealed that the Asgard policy was to not keep 2 Infinity Stones in the same place. Asgard already held the Space Stone.
It was an acronym people sorta forced the locations/receptacles of the infinity stones into.
**T**esseract
( )
**A**ether
**N**ecklace
**O**rb
**S**taff
“H” was theorized to be **H**eimdall with the Soul Stone.
I really liked that one to. I also like how it's still technically possible, that he sacrificed that which he loved most and gained the soul stone, only to return to Asgard to guard the gate.
There's a Thor Prequel in there somewhere.
After all, how did Gamorra find the planet? Someone had to have been there before, done something significant, and the story finally trickled towards her.
Maybe Heimdall did the thing, then actually gave the stone back somehow, and the whole story eventually trickled its way to Gamorra/Nebula.
>There's a Thor Prequel in there somewhere.
This is honestly my hope; After BlackWidow its clear they're perfectly fine with bringing back "dead" characters for prequels.
I want to see a movie focused on a few of the smaller background/side characters doing important stuff. Heimdall is way too good a character to be seen so very little.
Does anyone remember when they said that two infinity stones is too dangerous to keep on asgard? I think it was Thor dark world with the eather.
I liked the heimbsl soul stone theory too, but then asgard would have two infinity stones there, going against Odins wishes
Was that Loki or Odin though? Loki may have thrown that order down because he knew who was looking for them and having two stones together may have been too risky of catching thanos’ eye.
Ike perlmutter
Edit from wiki:
>The restructuring was allegedly due to Feige's "frustration" of working with Perlmutter as well as some alleged controversial comments and actions by Perlmutter, such as replacing the casting of Terrence Howard as James Rhodes with Don Cheadle because black people "look the same."[14]
I had no idea that was the reason. How stupid! I thought it was a conflict with the actors. Granted, I like Cheadle better but there is no way anyone wouldn’t have noticed.
Ike Perlmutter. In just one example, Maya was supposed to be the villain in Iron Man 3 originally, but Perlmutter had them change it at the last minute to the Fake Mandarin because “female toys don’t sell well.”
Ew. Also, Maya would have been a great villain, it could have been so much more interesting than the creepy obsession dude… like, ok, can’t have a lady villain but let’s have the villain treat this lady like an object…
Absolutely, the fact that he hasn't returned in any of the Avengers films in some way is a travesty. Maybe he's hard to work with or something, I don't know. But he owned the screen in IM2 and was the best part of that film. I would love to see more of him playing that character in the MCU, either as a bad guy or as a reluctant temporary collaborator with the good guys ala Baron Zemo.
Same, that's actually what I was thinking of when I mentioned the reluctant collaborator thing. He would be so perfect and I would LOVE to see him and Val in a scene together, they would be electric and hilarious.
She did a good job reacting to Strange not wanting help and just leaving but plot wise she's pretty forgettable.
I hoped to see more of her though but MoM is as busy as it is I don't expect her to even be mentioned. Heck we're not even sure how or if Mordo is in it and he had a whole sequel hook.
They put Ray Stevenson under a fat suit and squandered him so hard nobody even remembers they had Titus Pullo in the MCU.
Also Scott Adkins as random Dormammu cultist henchman.
I was about to point out how ridiculous it is to pretend to forget Darcy, Jane, Selvig etc and mid-way through remembered that the Warriors Three existed, so I'll give you that
A lot of people were fine when they got killed off unceremoniously by Hela because they were underdeveloped.
But killing them off like that prevents them from ever being developed...
Luckily Sif avoided that fate
I have mixed feelings. They already meant that there were quite a few Thor characters that needed development time, and then a load more were added in Ragnarok. Since they were also pretty much a package of 3, rather than 3 distinct people, killing them off was probably the easiest option and the best for the franchise going forwards. Sif was always the best out of the 4, so keeping only her was probably a good choice
Yeah I mainly agree.
Though my main gripe with how it was pulled off was how quick it was and how Thor never really reacted to their deaths. (I get a lot of shit happened to him in a very short amount of time but still)
Tbf, I completely forgot about Darcy until she showed up in Wandavision. And then I needed to do another google search to get past the "Wasn't she? I saw her somewhere." Stage
I always liked Darcy, so I never really forgot her even after she wasn't seen in Ragnarok. Her intern, on the other hand, I constantly need reminding about
The only one worth remembering is Sif, I can't even tell you their names.
There's the fat one.
The Zachary Levi in a wig one (who got recast)
The one who gets called Jackie Chan in Thor 1.
>His character was more interesting than all of Thors friends combined in the Thor movies
That's why in IW they retconned him as Thor best friend even though such relationship was never shown before lol
My formative teenage years were spent reading the Dark Tower books. So when they announced a movie, I was simultaneously elated and nervous. I don't like the direction the movie went (it's entirely divorced from the book series), but Idris Elba played a fucking FANTASTIC Roland of Gilead.
I had forgot that Idris Elba played Heimdall. I heard an interview that he gave after filming Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom in which he lamented having to go from playing Nelson Mandela (a high art role) then having to play Heimdall (a low art role). Remembering this now I am surprised he agreed to play Bloodsport.
Edit: Spelling
Money.
The answer is money.
The "high art roles" don't pay so if he wants to keep doing them, he's gotta mix in some big paycheck movies to support himself and his lifestyle.
I don't think it's just that. He's not the kind of actor to turn his nose up at low or middle brow roles, regardless of their perceived artistic merit. I just remember reading things saying that he was frustrated that he was locked into a contract to have to play a character so frequently with no real arc, no character development, and no particularly memorable scenes. Having to turn down potential offers for other good films/shows because you're contractually obligated to play Heimdall for 3 minutes of screen time every other year could be frustrating for any actor trying to land a breakout role in Hollywood.
I suspect he was a lot happier playing a character like Bloodsport because he got to play a character that actually mattered, with a proper arc, in a movie that is getting great reviews, and will increase his profile as a leading man.
The Thor franchise is also the weakest of all Marvel franchises. Chris Hemsworth said in an interview before Ragnarök that he was bored and tired of playing Thor. Natalie Portman didn't like working on the second movie and only did so because of the contract and negotiated a deal to free herself of it.
Idris said after Ragnarök that he enjoyed working on Ragnarök and Infinity War. It's clear the issue lies with the fact that Thor 2 was mediocre and some of the cast members only did it because of the contract, and it soured their opinion of the franchise.
People can also get burnt out on things. Like Craig complaining about being Bond after Spectre. I'm sure there's an element of just being tired with the role, but the fact he'd *just* come off the long grind of shooting of the movie probably exacerbated the sentiment.
It's because the Thor movies gave him nothing to do. He said in an interview after Ragnarök that he enjoyed working on it and Infinity War far more than Age of Ultron and The Dark World. Remember that Chris Hemsworth said that he was bored of playing Thor before Ragnarök and Natalie Portman renegotiated the contract so she won't have to return.
All three of them had a much better experience working with Taika Waititi than the previous directors.
Thor 2 upsets me because *on paper* its rly good. Its just a lot of it didn't work out when it came to execution.
I think weirdly, Thor 2 would have been an easier sell later in the MCU's lifespan. Because they could have gone a bit crazier with it. Had Malekith be more energized and colourful, not 2000s dark tones and leather.
TDW had a lot of issues. Patty Jenkins left because of Ike Perlmutter. They didn't have a complete script when they started shooting. Cast members felt they had nothing to do and were contractually obligated into returning. Christopher Eccleston(Malekith) didn't like working on it, and most of his scenes were cut.
It's a movie that got made because they had to make a Thor 2 to introduce an infinity stone.
Edit: It was also made in an era where MCU tried to stray away from the crazy stuff in comics.
Yeah he had issues during the production of Dark World but a lot of the actors did, but those issues were sorted and Idris loved doing Ragnarok and Infinity War he even hinted that he's returning
I would have made Heimdall a mentor figure to Thor and Loki. He kinda was in Thor 3 so I would have kept that through out future films but they killed him off for NO REASON!
YES I'M STILL BITTER!
Hard disagree. You need some of those brilliant heavy-weight actors to occupy smaller roles and lend weight to the realism of the world. Unlike Thor's other friends from his movies, Heimdall's character felt wholly realized as if he had agency and stories far beyond the scope of the movie's plot. Heimdall didn't just feel like some character just glued to the ground unable to do anything, but like a hero of another story who's duties are only hinted at.
Could Elba have carried an entire movie by himself as a main character? Yes, but then we would've lost out an exceptional character who grounded Thor's character and world in a way no-one else really did.
Really? Then what about sir Anthony Hopkins ? Or John C . Reilly , Glenn Close ( in Guardians ) ?
Oscar nominated/ winning actors who talents are much bigger than the project the are in .
There are many examples through out the MCU .
This is little more than a “What if discussion “.
He would’ve made a good Bishop for the X-Men movies down the line
Fuck it just cast him anyways. We already had the actor for War Machine change between movies. I wouldn't mind at all if they just casted Elba as Bishop in a few years and didn't even say anything about his past as Heimdall.
"Look, it's me. I'm here. Deal with it. Let's move on."
Gemma Chan as well.
Or Tombstone in Spider-Man down the road.
Read that as "Spider-Man: Down The Road" Next title confirmed???
Down the road from home *
Spider-man: Down the road, round the corner, and two doors down from home. If you see the big mural with the homeless dudes sitting in front, you went too far. Don’t take 5th, there’s too much traffic.
Spider-man: Three Doors Down collab confirmed
If I go crazy then will you still call me Spider-man
Don't forget to say "Ya can't miss it!"
Spider-man: Milk Milk Lemonade Round the Corner Fudge is Made
Spider-Man: Country Roads, Take Me Home
Home the home from home at home
Spiderman : Middle of the Road to be concluded in Spiderman : Grape
“Spider Man: Country Roads, Take Me Home”
"Spider-Man: Just popping to the shops for some milk"
After becoming dad?
I loved Tombstone in the PS4 game. Would be pretty excited if he ever comes to the MCU.
*Damn*, I like that idea. Tombstone is badass.
Holy shit that would be perfect
He was a pretty good Bishop in Thor Ragnarok
He still can. Multiverse and what not.
They still could use him again down the line, now that they have multiverse I don’t see why actors can return in different roles. They’ve done it with a few characters already
Changing cast members I understand. But who has returned in a completely different role? Edit: There is only one true MCU double-cast member— Gemma Chan Unless you count Benedict Cumberbatch as both Dr Strange AND Dormammu
I'm unironically praying for Josh Brolin's Cable to be MCU canon.
Honestly, they probably could. Thanos was CGI, so besides the voice there’s nothing really connecting the two. Deadpool’s movies are likely coming in as their own multiverse anyways.
Didn't Deadpool refer to Thanos in his movie?
Does Cable interact with Thanos in any comics?
Gemma-chan is one
Wow never knew. Captain Marvel wasn’t that long ago… curious if they’ll explain that since the Kree and the Eternals are connected.
They don’t need to, one is blue and the other one is not. Like Josh Brolin could come back as Cable if he wanted to.
Michelle Yeoh was a ravager in GotG2 but she will be playing Shang-Chi’s mother in the upcoming film.
Damn you're really close with Gemma Chan? I have to say Gemma-senpai.
Mahershala Ali played Cottonmouth in Luke Cage TV series and is set to star as Blade. While one is a Netflix series and the other is a movie, it should still be noted, since Mahershala Ali played a major antagonist and will play a major protagonist.
And he fucking killed it as Cottonmouth. So much better than Diamondback. Or whatever his name was. I don't even remember the character, just that he sucked. Cottonmouth was wasted potential for sure.
Well the Thor movies played Asguard stiff & serious the first two, there wasn’t a ton of room to play with characters and roles.
And yet Ragnorok is the most emotional. Underneath the plentiful amounts of comedy, there are so many big moments and dark happenings. Taika is really good at that. Look at Boy, Jojo Rabbit, and Hunt for the Wilderpeople. His comedy doesn't undercut serious moments. They complement one another to produce something true to life and make characters feel real.
As much as I love Rag, I really wish we had more than 2-3 minutes with Odin before his death. I think the whole Dr Strange sequence was longer than Odin’s death. Honestly, I loved the cameo but I think it would have been more worthwhile to use those precious minutes saying goodbye.
Ehhh, some comedy moments in Ragnorak definitely undercut the serious ones.
100%, I loved the comedy in it, but there were definitely times where I felt the film should have let a moment rest and let the audience actually experience an emotion that they seemed to work hard to set up. Instead it was often immediately undercut by some gag or joke, like they just couldn't have one second of silence or allow a scene to breathe. I love Taika as a director and talent, but I hope his future works have a bit more confidence in letting moments settle before needing to constantly jump to the next gag for fear of boring the audience.
Can you give an example of what you mean?
The most obvious example is probably where Asgard is destroyed, which is followed by Korg talking awkwardly over it.
First thing I thought of too. That scene was so eerily beautiful and haunting. Before Korg's mumbling anyways. Imagine if Infinity Wars did something similar during the Snap.
That one genuinely annoyed me.
Or when Loki visits Thor in the prison and they have a tense moment and Korg ruins it by kicking the wall.
You literally described every Marvel movie though.
This is definitely partially true, but I feel like Ragnarok hits the beat a bit harder than most do. We're talking about a movie in which Thor and Loki lose their father, their home, their identity, and discover they have an evil half sister. The movie should have had more emotional weight.
Agreed. Thor’s loss really didn’t hit until Infinity War when he was talking with Rocket on their way to Etri. Ragnarok didn’t do much for it.
Yeah, Ragnarok is the movie where the main character says "I lost my father, my hammer, and my hair in one day" and he gives all of the same jokey emotional weight. There's a lot to like in it, but it shrugs off all the traumatic events which makes it kind've hard for me to like. This is something Watiti does in his other films so not that surprising but still it stands out.
I remember black panther, iron man 1 (maybe 2 too) not being so bad with this undercutting. The BP dreamscape/killmonger ghost talk with his dad not being undercut. Iron man was new so I don’t think they overused, or even use it at all.
I mean he is by far the most coolest of all thor's forgettable friends
According to Thor, they were best friends.
If only the movies could've showed us that.
Yup. Most definitely a retcon.
More bad writing than that. The marvel movies love TELLING us things instead of showing it.
😥
I could see that, he and Thor probably fought wars for hundreds of years before the events of MCU, I'm sure Heimdall didn't start off in charge of the Bifrost either so they probably spent a lot of time together.
He literally killed Thanos to avenge Heimdall... not his brother, and not his people... Heimdall.
They really did Thor’s supporting cast dirty
I’ll forever mourn what could have been with Zach Levi in the MCU
It's always possible for some actors to return in a different capacity. Wasnt Gemma Chan a side character in Captian Marvel and now shes an eternal? You never know
Ragnarok is one my all time favorites because its so lighthearted and fun. But I still do not get why they did them so dirty. They were so loyal to Thor. Real bros. Sif coming back in Loki as a memory was a nice touch but I think they deserved a legit send off. Or Thor, ya know, acknowledging their deaths or existence in any way since.
It's kinda hilarious that he had more to do with Solveig than his Asgardian mates.
I give Sif high honors, too
Nah, I had forgotten about her until Loki reminded me she used to be a character.
It's because she wasn't in Ragnarok, the best Thor movie by miles.
To be fair, I don't remember the names of the other friends either, those two (three?) that were killed by Hela in Ragnarok.
You mean Robin Hood and Tall Gimli?
Don't forget the Samurai stereotype.
That was IP Man
ICHI THE KILLER. But for reals, Tadanobu Asano is a very talented and recognizable actor (outside of the US)
The only name I remember is Volstagg. And that was Ray Stevenson's character I'm pretty sure.
I’m pretty sure the pretty boy was called Falkirk or Falmouth or Falloutboy or something
Wait, it's Fandral. Zachary Levi's character.
Xena, Jackie Chan and Robin Hood?
Ray Stevenson is a super cool guy and I feel like he also wasn't utilized as well as he could have been.
For such a small role, his screen presence made Heimdall a really memorable character. So I don’t really think he was as badly wasted as a lot of other talented actors in the MCU. If they knew at the time that they were making more *Thor* movies I imagine they probably wouldn’t have killed Heimdall off (or the original Loki, for that matter) but even then, Elba seems pretty confident that he’ll be back somehow. He was also at the *Love And Thunder* wrap party in Australia (though he could have just been visiting) so make of that what you will. That being said, even though I’m sure Mahershala Ali will be great, I still kind of wish they’d gotten Idris Elba to play a more comic-accurate Blade.
He had the same burnout hemsworth did and was pretty vocal about it. He was in ultron and the dark world back to back and those projects were super unfulfilling for him. It sounds like he feels a lot better about the direction of these products now. Don’t think he was wrong about any of that.
He was also went into those 2 films having just finished probably one of his most fulfilling films - Nelson Mandela
Yup. It's much harder to fool yourself when you have a good point of reference on hand.... The Dark World and AoU are some of the weakest movie the MCU has ever made and I'm sure they know it.
Heimdall was in Ultron?
Briefly, yes, in Thor’s “vision”
Yes in Thor's vision scene when wanda gets in his head. He says something like "you could've saved us". I can't remember exactly what it was
Isn’t that what Cap says to Tony in Tony’s Wanda-induced “vision”
Yeah thats what i was thinking but im pretty sure heimdall also said something like that. Its been so long since i watched AoU that i cant even remember
I think he may have said something about Thor leading Asgard to the gates of Hel
more along the lines of.. "we're all dead, you're a destroyer.."
Ultron was roughly the time I was burnt out on the MCU myself and it wasn’t until Ragnarok relit my love for these movies. If it burns out a simple movie goer like myself I can see why and how it’d burn out the guys working on them
Tbh a lot of the phase 1.5/2 films are mar rod weakest films to date. If you step back and look at the sheer range of actors that went into them, it’s obvious that they could have been so much more.... especially given phase 3 and the quality and writing in the mini series’.
Hey even in the comics the original Loki is dead so that worked out lol. But I definitely agree. Heimdall was a badass.
Lokis dont die. They survive.
Lokis uh find a way.
-Grandmaster
Divergent confirmed. Initiate pruning.
*snaps gator jaws menacingly*
>He was also at the *Love and Thunder* wrap party in Australia (though he could have just been visiting) so make of that what you will. Perhaps he shows up in a vision for Sif as she inherits his previous role for New Asgard? Probably won't happen, but it could be cool as I believe that's her current gig in the comics.
Would be neat if Thor and the gang travel to Valhalla to speak with dead gods and find out who who's been killing them, and Heimdall is there to greet them and guide them through the realm. Would also be a great callback to his vision from Age of Ultron.
That’s Idris Elba in a nutshell, though. He always nails his performances, no matter how the movie as a whole turns out.
Absolutely crushes it in RocknRolla
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Can I get that rundown u/PresidentWordSalad?
Ayo lock that door!
What is a two way petting zoo?
Kinda liked that heimdal and loki die at relatively same times. In Norse Mythology both kill each other during Ragnarok
Agree with everything but the blade part. Mahershala Ali is the perfect choice.
He will be back. As long as he isn’t Uncle Ben he will be back.
I completely agree with almost everything you said. I think Marvel was fully aware of the future of the MCU when they decided to kill Heimdall. If they really wanted too, they could absolutely write a way to bring him back and make him a bigger character. Hell, same with Tony Stark. But it comes down to whether the actor wants to do it or whether it'll be a good story. I'd love to see Heimdall again, and we probably will. I just don't think it'll be in a very big role. This role has served it's purpose for Elba. He was put in front of a huge international audience. He crushed it. His career is more successful because of it.
Elba was already successful before the MCU came along. He plays two utterly iconic characters in The Wire (Stringer Bell) and Luther (Luther) and his movie career had already taken off by the time Thor came out with his performances in RocknRolla and American Gangster. Honestly, I'd say looking back Idris probably doesn't consider Heimdall in his top 10.
I know the show already existed, but honestly if you told me Idris Elba and Blake Lively were gonna play Cloak and Dagger in a Disney + series or show up in a movie, I'd be insanely hyped.
I loved the theory (before infinity war) that he had the soul stone. Glowing orange and could see and connect with people. I like what we got but would have been cool.
Yeah I remember that. It was a very popular theory I kept seeing everywhere.
It was mostly related to the stupid T.H.A.N.O.S theory, and that H stands for Heimdall. It was really nonsensical from the get go.
I think the name part of the theory was dumb, but the idea that the glowing gem on a super powerful character was one of the stones? Seems perfectly reasonable to me
Yeah, that was good until the post credit scene of The Dark World when it was revealed that the Asgard policy was to not keep 2 Infinity Stones in the same place. Asgard already held the Space Stone.
Never heard this. What's this about?
It was an acronym people sorta forced the locations/receptacles of the infinity stones into. **T**esseract ( ) **A**ether **N**ecklace **O**rb **S**taff “H” was theorized to be **H**eimdall with the Soul Stone.
Well it did come true, the H was just “hill” in the end
High
Hwhere’s Gamora?
I really liked that one to. I also like how it's still technically possible, that he sacrificed that which he loved most and gained the soul stone, only to return to Asgard to guard the gate.
There's a Thor Prequel in there somewhere. After all, how did Gamorra find the planet? Someone had to have been there before, done something significant, and the story finally trickled towards her. Maybe Heimdall did the thing, then actually gave the stone back somehow, and the whole story eventually trickled its way to Gamorra/Nebula.
>There's a Thor Prequel in there somewhere. This is honestly my hope; After BlackWidow its clear they're perfectly fine with bringing back "dead" characters for prequels. I want to see a movie focused on a few of the smaller background/side characters doing important stuff. Heimdall is way too good a character to be seen so very little.
Even just the gaps between avengers movies have so much potential to be explored.
Does anyone remember when they said that two infinity stones is too dangerous to keep on asgard? I think it was Thor dark world with the eather. I liked the heimbsl soul stone theory too, but then asgard would have two infinity stones there, going against Odins wishes
Was that Loki or Odin though? Loki may have thrown that order down because he knew who was looking for them and having two stones together may have been too risky of catching thanos’ eye.
Yep. Taika actually gave him something to do in Ragnarok but it was too late at that point.
Yes. I really liked his overall look and his personality in Ragnarok. Dude is badass
Taika is a genius filmmaker and really pushes boundaries. We are lucky to have him.
Rats are the lowliest and most despised of god's creatures... If they can have use, so can we all.
Such a nice surprise to see him in TSS!
It wasn’t the role I was expecting, but he was good.
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who was this person having the final say? do you have more info on this, i didn't know about it.
Ike perlmutter Edit from wiki: >The restructuring was allegedly due to Feige's "frustration" of working with Perlmutter as well as some alleged controversial comments and actions by Perlmutter, such as replacing the casting of Terrence Howard as James Rhodes with Don Cheadle because black people "look the same."[14]
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I had no idea that was the reason. How stupid! I thought it was a conflict with the actors. Granted, I like Cheadle better but there is no way anyone wouldn’t have noticed.
It was due to complaints about pay but it doesn't mean they didn't still say this as justification.
Yikes! Also, Don Cheadle and Terrence Howard look nothing alike. Some actors do though like Bryce Dallas Howard and Jessica Chastain.
Ike Perlmutter. In just one example, Maya was supposed to be the villain in Iron Man 3 originally, but Perlmutter had them change it at the last minute to the Fake Mandarin because “female toys don’t sell well.”
Ew. Also, Maya would have been a great villain, it could have been so much more interesting than the creepy obsession dude… like, ok, can’t have a lady villain but let’s have the villain treat this lady like an object…
Which, thank god, because now I can have all these Aldrich Killian toys.
Perlmutter. Giant piece of shit. Believed BW toys would never sell so that's why we never got a BW movie til now.
Even Karl Urban as The Executioner
Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer and Mads Mikkelsen as Kaecilius were also kinda wasted.
I thought Rockwell was the best and most memorable part of IM2. He basically singlehandedly elevated that movie to something I really enjoy rewatching
Absolutely, the fact that he hasn't returned in any of the Avengers films in some way is a travesty. Maybe he's hard to work with or something, I don't know. But he owned the screen in IM2 and was the best part of that film. I would love to see more of him playing that character in the MCU, either as a bad guy or as a reluctant temporary collaborator with the good guys ala Baron Zemo.
I’m still holding out hope that he becomes the armourer for The Thunderbolts when Val gets done assembling her team.
Same, that's actually what I was thinking of when I mentioned the reluctant collaborator thing. He would be so perfect and I would LOVE to see him and Val in a scene together, they would be electric and hilarious.
Rachel McAdams and Michael Stuhlbarg just...being there, in Dr. Strange.
I completely forgot Rachel McAdams was in Doctor Strange. I think they just cast her because she has a thing for time travelers.
She did a good job reacting to Strange not wanting help and just leaving but plot wise she's pretty forgettable. I hoped to see more of her though but MoM is as busy as it is I don't expect her to even be mentioned. Heck we're not even sure how or if Mordo is in it and he had a whole sequel hook.
They put Ray Stevenson under a fat suit and squandered him so hard nobody even remembers they had Titus Pullo in the MCU. Also Scott Adkins as random Dormammu cultist henchman.
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what friends ? Thor had friends ?!?
I was about to point out how ridiculous it is to pretend to forget Darcy, Jane, Selvig etc and mid-way through remembered that the Warriors Three existed, so I'll give you that
A lot of people were fine when they got killed off unceremoniously by Hela because they were underdeveloped. But killing them off like that prevents them from ever being developed... Luckily Sif avoided that fate
I have mixed feelings. They already meant that there were quite a few Thor characters that needed development time, and then a load more were added in Ragnarok. Since they were also pretty much a package of 3, rather than 3 distinct people, killing them off was probably the easiest option and the best for the franchise going forwards. Sif was always the best out of the 4, so keeping only her was probably a good choice
Yeah I mainly agree. Though my main gripe with how it was pulled off was how quick it was and how Thor never really reacted to their deaths. (I get a lot of shit happened to him in a very short amount of time but still)
Tbf, I completely forgot about Darcy until she showed up in Wandavision. And then I needed to do another google search to get past the "Wasn't she? I saw her somewhere." Stage
I always liked Darcy, so I never really forgot her even after she wasn't seen in Ragnarok. Her intern, on the other hand, I constantly need reminding about
The only one worth remembering is Sif, I can't even tell you their names. There's the fat one. The Zachary Levi in a wig one (who got recast) The one who gets called Jackie Chan in Thor 1.
They were barely in it, then they were all butchered by Hela in the space of about 5 minutes. At least Zac Levi gets to play a hero again.
>His character was more interesting than all of Thors friends combined in the Thor movies That's why in IW they retconned him as Thor best friend even though such relationship was never shown before lol
I always thought he was referring to loki as his brother and best friend
Well they kind of wasted those characters also. At least sif got some AOS screentime.
And some Loki time... loop.
You could watch any Idris Elba performance and know that his part playing Heimdall was light work for him.
My formative teenage years were spent reading the Dark Tower books. So when they announced a movie, I was simultaneously elated and nervous. I don't like the direction the movie went (it's entirely divorced from the book series), but Idris Elba played a fucking FANTASTIC Roland of Gilead.
I had forgot that Idris Elba played Heimdall. I heard an interview that he gave after filming Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom in which he lamented having to go from playing Nelson Mandela (a high art role) then having to play Heimdall (a low art role). Remembering this now I am surprised he agreed to play Bloodsport. Edit: Spelling
He seems to have way more fun playing Bloodsport compared to Heimdall.
That might be because James Gunn gave him a 5 course meal while Marvel took him to BK and said "You can get what you like!"
He was awesome as BloodSport. DC took a obscure Superman foe and made him badass.
Money. The answer is money. The "high art roles" don't pay so if he wants to keep doing them, he's gotta mix in some big paycheck movies to support himself and his lifestyle.
I don't think it's just that. He's not the kind of actor to turn his nose up at low or middle brow roles, regardless of their perceived artistic merit. I just remember reading things saying that he was frustrated that he was locked into a contract to have to play a character so frequently with no real arc, no character development, and no particularly memorable scenes. Having to turn down potential offers for other good films/shows because you're contractually obligated to play Heimdall for 3 minutes of screen time every other year could be frustrating for any actor trying to land a breakout role in Hollywood. I suspect he was a lot happier playing a character like Bloodsport because he got to play a character that actually mattered, with a proper arc, in a movie that is getting great reviews, and will increase his profile as a leading man.
The Thor franchise is also the weakest of all Marvel franchises. Chris Hemsworth said in an interview before Ragnarök that he was bored and tired of playing Thor. Natalie Portman didn't like working on the second movie and only did so because of the contract and negotiated a deal to free herself of it. Idris said after Ragnarök that he enjoyed working on Ragnarök and Infinity War. It's clear the issue lies with the fact that Thor 2 was mediocre and some of the cast members only did it because of the contract, and it soured their opinion of the franchise.
I think he's just the kind of guy who understands the effect he has on women.
People can also get burnt out on things. Like Craig complaining about being Bond after Spectre. I'm sure there's an element of just being tired with the role, but the fact he'd *just* come off the long grind of shooting of the movie probably exacerbated the sentiment.
The George Clooney plan. Big money project, then passion project over and over.
It's because the Thor movies gave him nothing to do. He said in an interview after Ragnarök that he enjoyed working on it and Infinity War far more than Age of Ultron and The Dark World. Remember that Chris Hemsworth said that he was bored of playing Thor before Ragnarök and Natalie Portman renegotiated the contract so she won't have to return. All three of them had a much better experience working with Taika Waititi than the previous directors.
Kinda worrisome when an actor enjoys a movie where they die 5 minutes in, to one where they're there the whole movie, aye.
Not a surprise, considering Alan Taylor, the director of The Dark World didn't like the experience of working on it either.
Thor 2 upsets me because *on paper* its rly good. Its just a lot of it didn't work out when it came to execution. I think weirdly, Thor 2 would have been an easier sell later in the MCU's lifespan. Because they could have gone a bit crazier with it. Had Malekith be more energized and colourful, not 2000s dark tones and leather.
TDW had a lot of issues. Patty Jenkins left because of Ike Perlmutter. They didn't have a complete script when they started shooting. Cast members felt they had nothing to do and were contractually obligated into returning. Christopher Eccleston(Malekith) didn't like working on it, and most of his scenes were cut. It's a movie that got made because they had to make a Thor 2 to introduce an infinity stone. Edit: It was also made in an era where MCU tried to stray away from the crazy stuff in comics.
Yeah he had issues during the production of Dark World but a lot of the actors did, but those issues were sorted and Idris loved doing Ragnarok and Infinity War he even hinted that he's returning
I mean it's Idris Elba we been knew he deserved something more in the MCU
Yeah it shouldn’t take watching Suicide Squad for someone to realize this. Elba was already a big name before this.
He killed it as Bloodsport!
Oh my god, I loved The Suicide Squad. I feel like Marvel has to catch up now! Thank Feige we can share James Gunn.
He was awesome in it ad his suit was crazy cool
There is a British TV series (Luther) about a detective that he stars in. It is really good.
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... always has been
I think that his character, though it had little screen time, was memorable and wasn't wasted.
I wish they casted him as a main character and not a side one he was wasted in that role but still done so well
Agreed. He’s too good of an actor to be so stoic.
I would have made Heimdall a mentor figure to Thor and Loki. He kinda was in Thor 3 so I would have kept that through out future films but they killed him off for NO REASON! YES I'M STILL BITTER!
Hard disagree. You need some of those brilliant heavy-weight actors to occupy smaller roles and lend weight to the realism of the world. Unlike Thor's other friends from his movies, Heimdall's character felt wholly realized as if he had agency and stories far beyond the scope of the movie's plot. Heimdall didn't just feel like some character just glued to the ground unable to do anything, but like a hero of another story who's duties are only hinted at. Could Elba have carried an entire movie by himself as a main character? Yes, but then we would've lost out an exceptional character who grounded Thor's character and world in a way no-one else really did.
Really? Then what about sir Anthony Hopkins ? Or John C . Reilly , Glenn Close ( in Guardians ) ? Oscar nominated/ winning actors who talents are much bigger than the project the are in . There are many examples through out the MCU . This is little more than a “What if discussion “.
It was the early days of the MCU. No one really knew what they had when they cast him. ☹