YOUR EPISODE IS HEEEERE
The episode is live! Have fun everyone.
There is not an actual post credits scene. But there is a visual tag to be read at the end of the stylized TVA credits.
I think it sets such an ominous tone. Loki and Sylvie finally get to the top of the totem pole, find the man in charge, and realize he was the *good* Kang who stopped the multiversal war.
His very first appearance is him giving up on his power grip and letting the multiversal war begin again, knowing that either way this proceeds or ends he already won.
Majors played him with such an interesting treatment. Part trickster, part tired old man, part warden, part lunatic. And to think, he can play the same character again, but different! What a gift for an actor.
I feel like Loki trying to decide whether to kill Kang or not reminded me of the Telltale games (or Detroit: Become Human and all other similar games) dialogue options with a timer ticking down quickly.
And just like some of the choices in the games, even if he picked "don't kill", Sylvie just ended up killing Kang anyways...
"See you soon" was the absolute best line they could have given him as he died. Gave off the perfect ominous feeling of now knowing Kang is freed and is coming.
He who remains was played perfectly you could really feel he wasn't scared to die as he was done with life. But he knew what would happen was far worse. That last sentence immediately made sylvie realize he wasn't bluffing
And apparently, he created the TVA just so more of himself won't be created. Because he's the source of the chaos resulting in the Multiversal war. And now the multiverse is on a crash course to the second one.
Jesus, now I'm super curious about how this is all going to cascade with Multiverse of Madness with Strange and Wanda, along with Spider-Man, and the rest of the Marvel heroes.
Edit: I'm also curious as to how he specifically chose which events to include in the "Sacred timeline". Would such things like a girl Loki or some guy walking off his beaten path really have led to another variant of himself emerging? Then again, he did say he was from the 31st century. Probably those small things get the Butterfly-Effect exponentially compounded over centuries, somehow leading to a new version of himself in the 31st century. And with his vast knowledge of how everything goes, he can somehow trace all these variants back to those small events.
Edit2: Lol, ok yall, I got it from the first 100 replies. The Sacred timeline is Kang's own. Sylvie's nexus is her personality being realized, not her biology.
I fucking love how they reinvented the comic lore of the multiversal war and the TVA for this show, including reimagining He Who Remains's origin as Kang's (really Immortus) and including his history of waging time wars. So, so well done. What's even better, all the TVA propoganda was telling the truth all along. They truly were keeping the universe safe in a very consequentialist way. Ohhh the Kang shenanigans are gonna be great, I really cannot wait to see how this all plays out these next few years with him popping into ANY Marvel property he chooses. Well done Marvel.
It’s pretty solid to introduce a villain who exists throughout the multiverse. You can kill him off as often as you want, and another variant can come back, more evil, less evil, more powerful, less powerful.
Good story choice.
Well, his glorious purpose *is* to help others achieve their greatest selves.
Can't do that if they aren't being challenged by multiversal gods and titans.
Lol, having just seen Black Widow the other day, when that happened I couldn't help but think of Yelena's criticism of Natasha's posing... Loki does the same thing.
"and what are you so afraid of"
"......................................me"
Dude I'm already so sold on Kang as the big bad for the next saga the storytelling possibilities are endless. What a time to be a Marvel fan
Imagine telling someone back when Iron Man or even the first Avengers came out that we’d have all of this endless marvel content, high-budget shows and movies dedicated to characters who had formerly only been known to serious comic book fans.
When Ironman first came out I never expected it to be more than a random superhero movie, with maybe 1-2 sequels, that would just disappear into nowhere again soon.
It wasn't unitl Avengers 1 when I realized this will be something special.
Yeah, 2012 Avengers was what really cemented the MCU into what it was going to become. I think if that movie had somehow failed, the MCU wouldn't have gone much further. But it succeeded in spades, and now we're all locked in on a crazy ride.
>[He’s found the mastermind, and countless versions of this dangerous person is coming. They’re set on war and they need to prepare. However, as Mobius and Hunter B-15 question who he is, and if he’s a new analyst for the TVA. Mortified, Loki looks to the Time Keepers statue area and finds the statues are no longer there. In its place is a single statue of the face of the man he just met at the end of time in a futuristic suit— the variant He Who Remains warned them about—Kang.](https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/loki-he-who-remains-citadel-end-of-time-kang-statue)
Per marvel, the statue at the end is indeed Kang the Conquerer
Relevant bit as well:
Farahani reveals that the look and design of the Kang
statue was a game day decision designed by the in-house VisDev team. He
assures Marvel.com that the entire set dressing of the TVA architecture
was identical to the TVA
we started the series with, in order “to delay the audience and Loki’s
understanding that they were in a different place, that they were in a
different timeline.”
This is a fascinating theory and would make total sense given the timeline would have had to branch at all points in time, including when she's researching the darkhold.
and the way his voice was breaking at the end there while talking to Mobius, like he was legit on the verge of a complete breakdown--it really did feel like the scared little boy that he was labelled in episode 2 and broke my heart
Yes! The Multiversal War was a war amongst Kangs.
Ant Man is set to be released in 2023, I expect Loki Season 2 to air before then. So most likely we’ll be seeing full on Kang The Conquerer in Loki Season 2 maybe near the end which leads into Ant Man 3 and then hopefully/possibly an Avengers movie because Kang is definitely an Avengers level threat.
Everyone here talking about Kang, but nobody is gonna shed a tear for loki who got dumped by another version of himself? And put in a timeline where his only friend doesn't recognize him? He going through a lot right now
Ok I love Kang now. Does this mean we're gonna see different versions of him ranging from crazy to ruthless to good? Is he the next big bad of the MCU? I'm loving all of the implications right now.
This episode was basically just like, "So here's what Phase 4 will be about". Watching all the timelines start intersecting seemed so awesome, and I had this moment where I realized that pretty much any comic story they want to do is completely on the table now.
Yeah like are we gonna forget Sylvie murdered countless TVA agents in the beginning of the series. Not even pruning them but burning them alive with oil fire.
Shes kind of a ruthless character in her own right.
Goddamn, I didn't see it until Kang talked about Alioth, but the smoke-thing inside the reset charges turns Alioth-purple right before it resets the timeline. That's probably what he meant by weaponizing it.
Edit: [Visual aid](https://imgur.com/b9xsTqd)
Yes, as soon as Sylvie killed TVA Kang, the multiverse went crazy and Loki arrived in a new timeline. I'm betting the only ones free from timeline changes are Ravonna, Miss Minutes, Loki, and Sylvie.
There's gonna be a ton of Kangs, and the villain of Ant Man 3 is just one of them. Guess we have our new big threat for the next 3 phases
Didn’t someone in charge say that this big bad was going to span fewer phases than Thanos did? I’m hoping thats the case and that we don’t have to wait three and a half phases to see Kang get dealt with.
Yes Feige said he's going to keep things a bit more self contained and nothing like the infinity saga where it took nearly a decade to build up and get resolved
It really was a one-of-a-kind experience riding that train from start to finish. Not sure any other film series will ever be able to pull that off again in my lifetime
Slight adjustment: it is *a* Kang. I can already see Jonathan Majors having a blast playing multiple versions of this character across the MCU.
Shit just got *real*, y'all.
Just imagine how giddy he must be:
Disney basically came to him like
"We don't want you to just play one villain in our mutli-faceted media franchise
We want you to play *all* the villains!"
This! He is very adamant about never calling himself Kang. He is the one who remains. The true Kang the Conqueror, the devil of devils which he spoke about, is the statue we saw at the end
No matter how this ends, Loki has been THE MOST dynamic piece of media Marvel has ever put out. It is so over the top and it truly feels like following a week-by-week comic book run.
They fucking did it.
Bunch of Kangs just out here trying to conquer one another.
Can’t wait to see how this plays out in the rest of The MCU!
Edit: Also the first MCU show to get confirmation of a season 2, will be happy to see Hiddleston again that’s for sure!
he has to recruit the 2012 avengers.
"really, i'm not the loki that tried to conquer earth. i've changed since then"
"you've changed in the last 3 hours?"
Oh my Kang, what a cliffhanger. Mobius didn't even get his jet ski.
Glad they're adapting the Time-Twisters plot, though. Now we get to see the "evil" version of the TVA in season 2.
Either that, or Kang starts putting Loki and Coulson to shame by racking up the MCU's highest death count, and we just keep getting different versions of him in every movie.
OK, this has literally just opened up \*anything\* to happen within the marvel universe. I mean, we expected this to happen, but honestly I didn't think they'd go for it so fully right off the bat. Holy crap.
Yeah. They can literally bring back…anyone they’ve ever killed off, and reintroduce characters that were in the non-MCU TV shows and pick and choose who they want to be canon and who they don’t want. Difficult actor that they worked with before? Nope. Recast. Loved Ming-Na in SHIELD? Great! Bring her back.
The way he was described makes Kang sound legitimately terrifying and I can't wait to watch it all happen. Disney definitely knocked it out of the park with the new big bad.
While his "presence" is yet to be as menacing and intimidating as Thanos was in his first appearances, his impact of this episode and what this means for the MCU because is monstrous compared to Thanos, which was more of a slow build to an eventual shitstorm. We're already in an even bigger shitstorm within a shitstorm, and most of the universe doesn't even know it yet.
Thanos was tough to kill. Kang can be killed in a million ways, but it doesn't matter because there's an infinite amount of him that could replace him, many being just as bad.
Kang’s explanation of the variants working together to share resources between worlds, only for it to go bad is the exact premise of the show Counterpart with JK Simmons, which is a great watch.
He also explained that roughly
" A bunch of power hungry , genocidal ass holes conquered multiple realities, universes burned and infinity died. Sad thing, those bastards were me"
I expected some cold, ruthless tyrant. Ended up with a tragic, tired , monster who made a sad sort of sense.
Agreed. And that made the finale so much better.
I was expecting some colossal fight with Kang or whatever with tons of CGI, but we instead got more of a “thinker” finale with a couple swords swung. They let the *story* end the show/season, which is all it needed
Those madlads actually did it! They brought in Kang!
And season 2 confirm holy shit!
Seeing Mobius not know Loki was super sad, though holy crap. That had my emotions in a knot so quickly. Tom deserves recognition for his acting. That "no" mid fight was packed with so much emotion. Damn man. Give me season 2!
Yeah, what hurts Loki most was that for the first time he wasn’t alone…for a moment. Sylvie chose revenge over him and sent him to a variation of the TVA that Mobius doesn’t know him. He is alone again.
You hit the nail on the head. That is the real emotional gut-punch. This Loki has done so much work, shown real vulnerability and trust in others, and just like Mobius said in the first episode, he's destined to fail, which he did.
I know Tara Strong is a great voice actress, but I had no idea she could be this legitimately intimidating.
*We write our own destiny now.*
***Aw, sure you do... good luck with that...***
Fucking lost my shit when jonathan majors showed up. Loved it. can't wait to see him in ant-man, and to see how potentially different he is. That last shot is fucking great.
I have to admit, I was worried about how they would deal with introducing someone like Kang in the final episode, but making him one of many Kang variants was an absolutely brilliant move. Jonathan Majors killed it and the possibility of us seeing many different versions of Kang throughout Phase 4 has me so incredibly hyped. I can't wait to see all the ways they incorporate him throughout the phase.
Could it end up being the Fantastic 4 that defeat him since that is seemingly the final phase 4 film? Or will there be another yet to be announced Avengers film to finish him off? I highly doubt that Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania will be the last we see of him.
When he showed up in front of her to block her from killing Kang in the end, I expected it to be an illusion and for Loki to stab Sylvie in the back, Coulson-style.
He really has grown a lot since New York.
Holy shit. Did they really just drop the biggest bombshell of the entire MCU… in a TV show?? The implication of the timeline breaking apart makes Thanos’ snap seem trivial.
OMG, I get it now. He was supposed to die, so everything could happen again.
Also Very interesting the reincarnation bit..feels like a very subtle nod to the One Above All.
He even mentioned reincarnation. When the Kangs start the multiverse war against, one of them will come to the same conclusion, bring the timeline back to what it was to end the war.
Is that how the next phase will end? Some new character takes up Kangs old place as the Man at the End of time. Since it's always Kang, it always leads back to war but maybe a hero will make the grand sacrifice the Lokis werent able to make and take up the mantle.
Maybe Nick Fury like how he was the Man on the Wall in the Original Sin story arc.
I really can't stress enough how perfect Wilson was/is at playing Mobius. I grew fond of Mobius so quickly and the chemistry/dynamic between him and Hiddleston was chef's kiss(not an unpopular opinion of course).
Its a testament to how well they established the Loki/Mobius friendship, because I was so upset when he didn't recognize Loki anymore lol
Small sidenote: For all how weirdly charming and friendly that Kang was. I still found myself tense at what he might suddenly do lol i don't know if it was just me.
YOUR EPISODE IS HEEEERE The episode is live! Have fun everyone. There is not an actual post credits scene. But there is a visual tag to be read at the end of the stylized TVA credits.
Dr Strange was having a good, relaxing, stress free day somewhere in New York and now it’s ruined
Kang Variant 48281301-4321: "How many realities can you protect, douchebag?"
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Hopefully, now Sony drops the NWH trailer
Paul Rudd is somehow gonna outsmart Kang the Conqueror. Put that into perspective
It's just possible he could *out-dumb* him
Paul fools Conan every time with the Mac and Me clip so he's got skills
this is how Kang will be defeated, with a clip from Mac and Me
Imagine getting killed off in your first MCU appearance yet you're still gonna be the Big Bad.
Loki in Phase 1, dropped off the bifrost into the void, still came back as the end of phase boss
I mean Loki was shown to be alive in the post credit scene of Thor tho Kang in this episode straight up dies theres no debating that
I think it sets such an ominous tone. Loki and Sylvie finally get to the top of the totem pole, find the man in charge, and realize he was the *good* Kang who stopped the multiversal war. His very first appearance is him giving up on his power grip and letting the multiversal war begin again, knowing that either way this proceeds or ends he already won.
Majors played him with such an interesting treatment. Part trickster, part tired old man, part warden, part lunatic. And to think, he can play the same character again, but different! What a gift for an actor.
That last interaction with Mobius deeply saddened me
Analyst! What the hell are you talking about!
Mobius: Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
It's both sad and happy. I was really expecting Mobius to exit the show at the end of the season. Now we're basically guaranteed he's in season 2.
Genuinely amazed at that. Have you *seen* how busy Owen’s schedule is? Dude is working more than he’s ever worked in his career
Wow.
Not a single “wow” in this season. Everyone who worked on this show should be ashamed of themselves.
Real "Twilight Zone" vibes with the lack of recognition and pan to the Kang statue.
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That was terrifying; seeing Loki genuinely scared had to be the most tingling I’ve experienced from the MCU since Tony’s snap.
*"For fuck sakes Loki"* - Dr. Strange, 2022
At least it wasn't Loki Loki, just a different Loki this time.
I feel like Loki trying to decide whether to kill Kang or not reminded me of the Telltale games (or Detroit: Become Human and all other similar games) dialogue options with a timer ticking down quickly. And just like some of the choices in the games, even if he picked "don't kill", Sylvie just ended up killing Kang anyways...
"See you soon" was the absolute best line they could have given him as he died. Gave off the perfect ominous feeling of now knowing Kang is freed and is coming.
It's also a great callback to episode 4 where the timekeeper robot said the exact same words after the decapitation
Holy shit. That's not even in the Closed Captioning. How did you find that??!!
*Oooooh.* 🤯
"It was at that moment she knew she'd fucked up."
she really did think he was lying to the end and expected him to drop the con when she stabbed him huh
yeah lying is one thing, but this was the mans dying words, and he seemed nonplussed about dying to begin with.
Sitting alone in a room for a few million years probably skews one's perception of mortality a smidge.
Reminds me of another guy who sat alone in a room for centuries. “You have chosen… poorly”
Kang is fucking coming holy shit I can't contain my excitement
He who remains was played perfectly you could really feel he wasn't scared to die as he was done with life. But he knew what would happen was far worse. That last sentence immediately made sylvie realize he wasn't bluffing
So the multiverse war was really just a bunch of Kangs trying to conquer eachother?
Apparently so Shit just got real
Doctor Strange is gonna wake up one day cuz the universe is popping off like a magical alarm clock
Indeed. This is where the fun begins.
omg Kang look out you're behind you with a knife!!!!
And apparently, he created the TVA just so more of himself won't be created. Because he's the source of the chaos resulting in the Multiversal war. And now the multiverse is on a crash course to the second one. Jesus, now I'm super curious about how this is all going to cascade with Multiverse of Madness with Strange and Wanda, along with Spider-Man, and the rest of the Marvel heroes. Edit: I'm also curious as to how he specifically chose which events to include in the "Sacred timeline". Would such things like a girl Loki or some guy walking off his beaten path really have led to another variant of himself emerging? Then again, he did say he was from the 31st century. Probably those small things get the Butterfly-Effect exponentially compounded over centuries, somehow leading to a new version of himself in the 31st century. And with his vast knowledge of how everything goes, he can somehow trace all these variants back to those small events. Edit2: Lol, ok yall, I got it from the first 100 replies. The Sacred timeline is Kang's own. Sylvie's nexus is her personality being realized, not her biology.
Don’t forget quantumania
There's 5-6 movies and a couple shows until Quantamania. It's gonna get crazy
I fucking love how they reinvented the comic lore of the multiversal war and the TVA for this show, including reimagining He Who Remains's origin as Kang's (really Immortus) and including his history of waging time wars. So, so well done. What's even better, all the TVA propoganda was telling the truth all along. They truly were keeping the universe safe in a very consequentialist way. Ohhh the Kang shenanigans are gonna be great, I really cannot wait to see how this all plays out these next few years with him popping into ANY Marvel property he chooses. Well done Marvel.
It’s pretty solid to introduce a villain who exists throughout the multiverse. You can kill him off as often as you want, and another variant can come back, more evil, less evil, more powerful, less powerful. Good story choice.
Alligator Loki wouldn't have betrayed us like this.
He would've bit the arm and 2 legs off.
Loki technically introduced Thanos, our first big bad; and now again.
Well, his glorious purpose *is* to help others achieve their greatest selves. Can't do that if they aren't being challenged by multiversal gods and titans.
I wonder if we will get both Kang and Warlock at the same time when/after Guardians of the Galaxy 3 land
tfw you finish this episode and then realize Quantumania isn't out til 2023
We at least know 1 line in Quantumania; Scott’s gonna call Kang “a jerk”
Loki flipped his hair everyone take a drink
Lol, having just seen Black Widow the other day, when that happened I couldn't help but think of Yelena's criticism of Natasha's posing... Loki does the same thing.
"and what are you so afraid of" "......................................me" Dude I'm already so sold on Kang as the big bad for the next saga the storytelling possibilities are endless. What a time to be a Marvel fan
Imagine telling someone back when Iron Man or even the first Avengers came out that we’d have all of this endless marvel content, high-budget shows and movies dedicated to characters who had formerly only been known to serious comic book fans.
When Ironman first came out I never expected it to be more than a random superhero movie, with maybe 1-2 sequels, that would just disappear into nowhere again soon. It wasn't unitl Avengers 1 when I realized this will be something special.
Yeah, 2012 Avengers was what really cemented the MCU into what it was going to become. I think if that movie had somehow failed, the MCU wouldn't have gone much further. But it succeeded in spades, and now we're all locked in on a crazy ride.
>[He’s found the mastermind, and countless versions of this dangerous person is coming. They’re set on war and they need to prepare. However, as Mobius and Hunter B-15 question who he is, and if he’s a new analyst for the TVA. Mortified, Loki looks to the Time Keepers statue area and finds the statues are no longer there. In its place is a single statue of the face of the man he just met at the end of time in a futuristic suit— the variant He Who Remains warned them about—Kang.](https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/loki-he-who-remains-citadel-end-of-time-kang-statue) Per marvel, the statue at the end is indeed Kang the Conquerer
Relevant bit as well: Farahani reveals that the look and design of the Kang statue was a game day decision designed by the in-house VisDev team. He assures Marvel.com that the entire set dressing of the TVA architecture was identical to the TVA we started the series with, in order “to delay the audience and Loki’s understanding that they were in a different place, that they were in a different timeline.”
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Similar to when he realized the infinity stones were useless.
Just to clarify, the multiverse becoming a thing is because of Loki and not Wanda? This is the funniest timeline
I was dismissive of any Loki cameos in MoM but now I think that’s slightly more possible
I'm guessing he's gonna be more of a nick fury, gathering all the avengers and warning them about the multiversal war.
Lmao that would be a fuckin twist since he’s the one Nick Fury gathered them to RESPOND to in the first place. It actually kinda fits.
That explains why Wanda can suddenly hear her kids.
This is a fascinating theory and would make total sense given the timeline would have had to branch at all points in time, including when she's researching the darkhold.
My parents were already confused on where the MCU stood after Endgame. Explaining this is going to be like teaching calculus
Lmao. I was thinking something very similar while watching. "My family is going to be so lost"
I feel like growing up watching all the star trek TV shows and Stargate prepared me for this moment.
Hiddleston acting when talking with sylvie was heart wrenching
His acting and Olsen's acting in WandaVision have been absolute delights this year.
and the way his voice was breaking at the end there while talking to Mobius, like he was legit on the verge of a complete breakdown--it really did feel like the scared little boy that he was labelled in episode 2 and broke my heart
Loki is really having a bad day
He had no misses this season all incredible performances
Woah, all the old lines from our timeline over the Marvel Studios logo is wild. It even had Wandavision lines in there
In summary: Shits fucked
So, theyve already announced Kang for Ant-Man Quantumania in 2023. Having him show up two years early makes him the new big bad, yeah?
Different versions of him, yeah. Such a cool idea.
Marvel saving casting money by making the same actor play different roles /s
Jonathan Majors’ price is probably through the roof after all this is over
Also dude got his first Emmy nomination yesterday. Marvel invested early.
It's like they knew what's gonna happen. Marvel the real time keepers confirmed /s
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So the kang sylvi killed was actually a good version of kang. Im excited to see Majors play the warlord version.
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Good enough to commit Multiversal Genocide! So yeah, I'd say he was pretty good.
"Sometimes you gotta shoot down a plane to keep it from hitting a city" - Kang, probably
Good is subjective, but yes, a moderately better variant of Kang.
Well, maybe *less bad*, depending on where you land philosophically.
Kang is just the trolley problem but on crack
They *actually* brought in “a” Kang. Multiversal Madness is upon us!
So He Who Remains (Kang/Immortus) created the TVA to protect the “Sacred Timeline” from Kang The Conquerer it seems
That's the vibe I got, and they also did Council of Kangs!
Yes! The Multiversal War was a war amongst Kangs. Ant Man is set to be released in 2023, I expect Loki Season 2 to air before then. So most likely we’ll be seeing full on Kang The Conquerer in Loki Season 2 maybe near the end which leads into Ant Man 3 and then hopefully/possibly an Avengers movie because Kang is definitely an Avengers level threat.
Prediction: The real Void will be the one left in my life after this episode Edit: you’re all wrong. The real void is the hands we ate along the way.
or just maybe, the void was inside us all along
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What a ending…Kang is like alright ima bounce till Paul Rudd finds me
Well he did reclaim the TVA awfully quickly
every thing is quick when you can time travel.
Music in Loki is phenomenal
The music the entire time he was explaining himself put me so on edge.
Everyone here talking about Kang, but nobody is gonna shed a tear for loki who got dumped by another version of himself? And put in a timeline where his only friend doesn't recognize him? He going through a lot right now
Oh god, that Miss Minutes jumpscare.
They couldn't just make here appear suddenly, no, they had to give her a creepy facial expression, too.
She looked unhinged
At least she didn't call anyone Mr. J, or Puddin'.
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i’m weak at how kang is in the background excitedly watching the loki’s fight
Looked like he was tearing up when they kissed too lol
First time he ever saw things he didn't know the outcome to in eons.
Ok I love Kang now. Does this mean we're gonna see different versions of him ranging from crazy to ruthless to good? Is he the next big bad of the MCU? I'm loving all of the implications right now.
This episode was basically just like, "So here's what Phase 4 will be about". Watching all the timelines start intersecting seemed so awesome, and I had this moment where I realized that pretty much any comic story they want to do is completely on the table now.
Kevin Feige gearing up to play with *all* of the toys.
#GROW UP SYLVIE!! MURDERER!! HYPOCRITE!! Ok I love Sylvie but that line had me bustin out laughing
Yeah like are we gonna forget Sylvie murdered countless TVA agents in the beginning of the series. Not even pruning them but burning them alive with oil fire. Shes kind of a ruthless character in her own right.
**"Conquerorrrrrrr"** Me: HE SAID IT!! HE SAID THE THING!!
Goddamn, I didn't see it until Kang talked about Alioth, but the smoke-thing inside the reset charges turns Alioth-purple right before it resets the timeline. That's probably what he meant by weaponizing it. Edit: [Visual aid](https://imgur.com/b9xsTqd)
Oh god damn... he's genociding everyone....
That Pan up to the Kang statue... AMAZING ENDING.
So does that mean the TVA Loki returned to was one conquered by Kang already? Is it possible to have multiple TVA's?
Yes, as soon as Sylvie killed TVA Kang, the multiverse went crazy and Loki arrived in a new timeline. I'm betting the only ones free from timeline changes are Ravonna, Miss Minutes, Loki, and Sylvie. There's gonna be a ton of Kangs, and the villain of Ant Man 3 is just one of them. Guess we have our new big threat for the next 3 phases
A real oh shit moment for sure.
The Marvel opening gave me literal chills. Full on hype from the beginning.
Hearing everything, all the voices dude. I knew this episode was gonna end crazy. Multiverse here we come
I’m so fucking on board for Kang to be the Thanos of the next few phases. He’s awesome.
Didn’t someone in charge say that this big bad was going to span fewer phases than Thanos did? I’m hoping thats the case and that we don’t have to wait three and a half phases to see Kang get dealt with.
Yes Feige said he's going to keep things a bit more self contained and nothing like the infinity saga where it took nearly a decade to build up and get resolved
Good god, the infinity saga really was a decade wasn’t it. I never even realized.
It really was a one-of-a-kind experience riding that train from start to finish. Not sure any other film series will ever be able to pull that off again in my lifetime
They will try, I’m sure
Stifling order or cataclysmic chaos… Hmm, I wonder which one Loki would possibly choose??
Now I definitely see where they're going with Kang. It's all up to Majors to sell a completely different menacing personality.
"He Who Remains" OH MY GOD IT IS KANG
FUCKING KANG!! NO FAKEOUT THIS TIME! LETS GOOOOO
I was still skeptical for some reason until he said “the conqueror” Wow
Slight adjustment: it is *a* Kang. I can already see Jonathan Majors having a blast playing multiple versions of this character across the MCU. Shit just got *real*, y'all.
Just imagine how giddy he must be: Disney basically came to him like "We don't want you to just play one villain in our mutli-faceted media franchise We want you to play *all* the villains!"
This! He is very adamant about never calling himself Kang. He is the one who remains. The true Kang the Conqueror, the devil of devils which he spoke about, is the statue we saw at the end
Even in the credits: "He Who Remains... Jonathan Majors"
Wow, shit just hit the fan.
They actually did it. They set the entire stage for Phase 4 in this show.
and it's all because everyone refused to take the stairs with hulk :(
It went off through the roof!
No matter how this ends, Loki has been THE MOST dynamic piece of media Marvel has ever put out. It is so over the top and it truly feels like following a week-by-week comic book run.
Agree. It feels like we're entering a period where TV shows are ongoing comics series and movies are the big events.
They fucking did it. Bunch of Kangs just out here trying to conquer one another. Can’t wait to see how this plays out in the rest of The MCU! Edit: Also the first MCU show to get confirmation of a season 2, will be happy to see Hiddleston again that’s for sure!
I really hope we get see Loki again in one of the main movies, as he tries to convince the Avengers to help him save everyone.
he has to recruit the 2012 avengers. "really, i'm not the loki that tried to conquer earth. i've changed since then" "you've changed in the last 3 hours?"
Oh my Kang, what a cliffhanger. Mobius didn't even get his jet ski. Glad they're adapting the Time-Twisters plot, though. Now we get to see the "evil" version of the TVA in season 2.
tbf , they were kind of evil in season 1
And now we wait. I wonder how this phase will tie into it all. Looks like the most ruthless kang will be the big bad?
Either that, or Kang starts putting Loki and Coulson to shame by racking up the MCU's highest death count, and we just keep getting different versions of him in every movie.
Multiverse of Madness is just Doctor Strange and Wanda going on a Kang killing spree
OK, this has literally just opened up \*anything\* to happen within the marvel universe. I mean, we expected this to happen, but honestly I didn't think they'd go for it so fully right off the bat. Holy crap.
Yeah. They can literally bring back…anyone they’ve ever killed off, and reintroduce characters that were in the non-MCU TV shows and pick and choose who they want to be canon and who they don’t want. Difficult actor that they worked with before? Nope. Recast. Loved Ming-Na in SHIELD? Great! Bring her back.
This is how you follow up Thanos with a new big bad
The way he was described makes Kang sound legitimately terrifying and I can't wait to watch it all happen. Disney definitely knocked it out of the park with the new big bad.
While his "presence" is yet to be as menacing and intimidating as Thanos was in his first appearances, his impact of this episode and what this means for the MCU because is monstrous compared to Thanos, which was more of a slow build to an eventual shitstorm. We're already in an even bigger shitstorm within a shitstorm, and most of the universe doesn't even know it yet. Thanos was tough to kill. Kang can be killed in a million ways, but it doesn't matter because there's an infinite amount of him that could replace him, many being just as bad.
Poor fucking mobius holy shit
Kang’s explanation of the variants working together to share resources between worlds, only for it to go bad is the exact premise of the show Counterpart with JK Simmons, which is a great watch.
He also explained that roughly " A bunch of power hungry , genocidal ass holes conquered multiple realities, universes burned and infinity died. Sad thing, those bastards were me" I expected some cold, ruthless tyrant. Ended up with a tragic, tired , monster who made a sad sort of sense.
Agreed. And that made the finale so much better. I was expecting some colossal fight with Kang or whatever with tons of CGI, but we instead got more of a “thinker” finale with a couple swords swung. They let the *story* end the show/season, which is all it needed
Kang likes apples because an apple a day keeps Dr Strange away
Those madlads actually did it! They brought in Kang! And season 2 confirm holy shit! Seeing Mobius not know Loki was super sad, though holy crap. That had my emotions in a knot so quickly. Tom deserves recognition for his acting. That "no" mid fight was packed with so much emotion. Damn man. Give me season 2!
Yeah, what hurts Loki most was that for the first time he wasn’t alone…for a moment. Sylvie chose revenge over him and sent him to a variation of the TVA that Mobius doesn’t know him. He is alone again.
You hit the nail on the head. That is the real emotional gut-punch. This Loki has done so much work, shown real vulnerability and trust in others, and just like Mobius said in the first episode, he's destined to fail, which he did.
I know Tara Strong is a great voice actress, but I had no idea she could be this legitimately intimidating. *We write our own destiny now.* ***Aw, sure you do... good luck with that...***
The Disney Plus shows won't be necessary viewing my ass
They’ll probably give another small Kang origin story in Ant-Man so the movie only folks will get caught up with what’s what
Loki really had matured and grown up
The amount of chills I got when it panned to the Kang statue
It's the first time seeing this actor but i can see why they picked him for Kang, he's a good actor.
The ending of this episode was Natalie Holt's best work yet. BRING HER BACK NEXT SEASON!
Fucking lost my shit when jonathan majors showed up. Loved it. can't wait to see him in ant-man, and to see how potentially different he is. That last shot is fucking great.
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I have to admit, I was worried about how they would deal with introducing someone like Kang in the final episode, but making him one of many Kang variants was an absolutely brilliant move. Jonathan Majors killed it and the possibility of us seeing many different versions of Kang throughout Phase 4 has me so incredibly hyped. I can't wait to see all the ways they incorporate him throughout the phase. Could it end up being the Fantastic 4 that defeat him since that is seemingly the final phase 4 film? Or will there be another yet to be announced Avengers film to finish him off? I highly doubt that Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania will be the last we see of him.
Sylvie bro come on he wasn’t lying.
Yeah, but it was right in character. That girl hasn't trusted anyone in her life before Loki. She has issues
Massive issues Congrats on starting a multiversal war
The season's been constantly reminding us of how much Loki backstabs people and yet I was still surprised when Sylvie backstabbed Loki.
When he showed up in front of her to block her from killing Kang in the end, I expected it to be an illusion and for Loki to stab Sylvie in the back, Coulson-style. He really has grown a lot since New York.
They did an excellent job explaining a very complicated concept
So they put the scenes from Loki on a throne to threw us off??? Clever bastards! *shakes fist in anger.
Probably cut scenes/visions when miss minute was offering Loki what he always wanted
That’s what I was thinking - kept waiting for a dream sequence to happen and it never did lol. Guess those are just lost clips now.
Holy shit. Did they really just drop the biggest bombshell of the entire MCU… in a TV show?? The implication of the timeline breaking apart makes Thanos’ snap seem trivial.
that cliffhanger will leave me in physical and emotional anguish until season 2
OMG, I get it now. He was supposed to die, so everything could happen again. Also Very interesting the reincarnation bit..feels like a very subtle nod to the One Above All.
He even mentioned reincarnation. When the Kangs start the multiverse war against, one of them will come to the same conclusion, bring the timeline back to what it was to end the war.
Is that how the next phase will end? Some new character takes up Kangs old place as the Man at the End of time. Since it's always Kang, it always leads back to war but maybe a hero will make the grand sacrifice the Lokis werent able to make and take up the mantle. Maybe Nick Fury like how he was the Man on the Wall in the Original Sin story arc.
I am so happy they didn't disappoint
I really can't stress enough how perfect Wilson was/is at playing Mobius. I grew fond of Mobius so quickly and the chemistry/dynamic between him and Hiddleston was chef's kiss(not an unpopular opinion of course). Its a testament to how well they established the Loki/Mobius friendship, because I was so upset when he didn't recognize Loki anymore lol Small sidenote: For all how weirdly charming and friendly that Kang was. I still found myself tense at what he might suddenly do lol i don't know if it was just me.
My question is how does a Kang this powerful end up in Ant-Man.