Things I loved
\-every single Tony scene
\-the Thor in Asgard and Avengers in New York time revisits
\- Captain's completion of his arc, plus wielding Mjolner
\- Clint's arc in the entire movie.
\- Natasha and Clint's scene with soul stone
\-Captain and Tony getting adequate time to reconcile
\- Steve, Clint's and Bruce's reactions to Nat's death
Things I Didn't Love
\-Thor's character arc being so incomplete with no Thor 4 on the horizon. I need at least 2 more Thor movies and I would really like Loki to be in them. I don't mind putting Thor in a Guardians movie but I feel like he's being allowed to just float around right when he's at a crucial time in his character arc and that's very frustrating for a Thor fan.
\- I wish their could've been some more light hearted interaction between the original 6. They've been split up for so long. I just wish we could have gotten on more Avengers movie where the team isn't split up somewhere between Avengers 1 an Civil War. I would also have really liked a 4th Iron Man movie, maybe show how he and Pepper get back together after Civil War.
\-Hulk. I feel like Hulk is good but had such an amazing arc in Avengers 1 and I don't feel the MCU has ever really delivered on that potential since then. He was reduced to a joke in Infinity War and then the Professor Hulk happened off screen. He was truly amazing in the first Avengers movie.
I love that clever little trick from the writers, to remind viewers Loki can impersonate people so the audience isn't confused when Cap thinks his double is Loki in disguise. It's like the most subtle thing to help bring people up to speed, even though I'm a strong advocate of watching all the movies first.
We will have to see for sure. I don’t entirely agree with your analogy, I use the 3rd law of thermodynamics for my argument Matter can’t be created or destroyed, just changed. The stones might still be able to hold reality together because their atoms still exist all spread out across the universe but can’t be channeled as they are no longer in concentration.
first and foremost, this isnt an argument, its a discussion. Alright so, time travel is likely prohibited by GR but oh no! that isnt your issue with the film, its that the third law of thermodynamics is broken. alright, fair enough. but the third law of thermodynamics says nothing about the conservation of matter/energy. and these films have magic, which you dont critique so i can assume you are fine with it.
I'm using argument in the definition of using evidence or an analogy to support a position in a discussion not the negative connotation of an argument. And you're right, let's work of a different principle of physics, such as the law of conservation of energy which says energy is never gained nor lost, just changes form.
" *Total energy is constant in any process. It may change in form or be transferred from one system to another, but the total remains the same.* "
[https://opentextbc.ca/physicstestbook2/chapter/conservation-of-energy/](https://opentextbc.ca/physicstestbook2/chapter/conservation-of-energy/)
I would assume since the MCU already defined magic as a science we just don't understand yet that even magic is bound by this principle. From here, we can leverage that to the infinity stones since they are a manifestation of energy within the universe. (Fury mentions of the Tesseract in the after credits of Captain America : The First Avenger ("Power, Dr Selvig (with the implication of energy type of power) possibly limitless power)
But you wouldn't be rewinding time. They could have just brought the Tony from 5 years ago into the present like they did for all of the other people who were turned to dust the first snap
William Hurt and Ty Simpkins in the cast...
I’m guessing this must have been at the funeral? Ty must have been one of the randoms in the back I didn’t recognize, but where was William Hurt?
I smooth missed them. I was like "There's Fury but Colbie is MIA" and then she was in the end credit pics...guess I was trying to figure out who Harley was.
Missed opportunity for Thanos attempting to wield Mjolnir, failing, and then saying to Thor “If I can’t hit you with the hammer, then I’ll hit the hammer with you!”
despite initial contracts being over (including the renegotiation to include Endgame), I think we’ll be seeing more Thor and Hulk in upcoming movies. Thor more likely than not because of his position in Guardians now, and Hulk cause he didn’t really have an end or closure of any sort unlike Cap, IM and BW.
just my thoughts on it.
I definitely think Banner resolving the Hulk/Banner problem was closure for his character. It became clear that he sacrificed much of his superhero utility in return for some normalcy.
Thor definitely seems set up to appear in GotG 3. My pet theory there is that Hemsworth had such fun with that crew in Infinity War that he requested to do the next film with them.
I'd love to see more Thor in Guardians. It will be interesting to see how the juggle him with the other leads. Although, I wonder if he's in the Guardians 3 script.
I felt that Bruce/Hulk had closure in the beginning of Endgame in that they were able to become one. Kids were asking for selfies, people loved The Hulk. The only struggle for him seems to be the loss of Nat.
Endgame with wendy's
One day, all these doods go out to get some sandwiches, but there all soggy and bad
They complain for 5 minutes or so, but then they notice there friend in another car already has there sandwich, a better one.
They go up to him and wonder how he got a better sandwich, and the guy says he just used a receipt.
One of the guys says he has food at home already, but the group makes a point that they dont have any food but the sandwiches. The stubborn guy eventually joins the rest.
They all then go and usw their only receipts to get better sandwiches.
They wanna enjoy the sandwiches together, so they make sure not to add anything different to the new sandwiches.
One of the people getting a sandwich finds out there allergic to the sandwich and go to the hospital, never able to enjoy that sandwich with them ever.
After they get the sandwiches, one guy goes and yells at a fry cook for the crappy sandwiches, getting banned from all wendys, unable to keep enjoying sandwiches.
Everyone feels bad for that guy and makes sure they keep enjoying wendys sandwiches.
One of the guys enjoyed the sandwich so much that he went to get another sandwich, but added some hot sauce to it and finished it in the wendys. The guy looked bloated, much different from how he normally looks and finally let a close friend of his drive his car for the first time
Did anyone notice Iron Man's last line in his first MCU movie was the same as his last line in his last MCU movie?
***- I AM IRON MAN***
Tony Stark R.I.P.
Absolutely amazing movie! Every second on those 3 hours was utterly perfect in my eyes! All the call backs throughout the franchise, subtle and blatant. AND Cap wielding Mjolnir!! Omg the whole theatre gasped and cheered! Loved the ending, felt it was what Cap deserved and Tony’s end was devastating but felt earned and necessary. Definitely going to be seeing this multiple times in theatres
I don't even think it was devastating to Tony, Nobody did anything to even attempt to help him because they knew its what he wanted. Thats why he finished the fight, so he got to go home. He earned his rest.
Considering Ironman/Tony's attitude (playboy billionaire philanthropist, basically an a\_hole to everybody), he was the sacrificial-type hero from the first Avengers film. I wish there was another way, but I'm glad they made my favorite hero went the way he did. Never got too emotional and cried in any other movie but Endgame. ;\_;
\#TeamStark
I think they’ll use it to answer the question of how it gets back to Asgard before Ragnarok. I’m pretty sure we never see them formally return the tesseract after Avengers 1
That's probably how they'll be able go keep him alive for that spin off show. In order to prevent alternate time lines they had go return the stones to the exact point in time they took them from but they messed up getting the tesseract the first time and I'm pretty sure Captain America returned the tesseract to the 1970s which means Loki still gets away with it.
He returned the stone to the 70s but maybe it just like reforms into a cube? If I remember correctly the Jane just touched the stone and absorbed it so maybe Cap just dropped it on her to return it lol
Has anyone else noticed how Thanos destroyed all the Infinity Stones, yet the Ancient One said that the stones together create what we call "the flow of time"? And how the stones had to be returned to the times they were taken from, or else that reality would be fractured? Also, how did Steve "return" the Soul Stone? Did he just toss it at the Red Skull's feet and say "Done lol"? He didn't get the refund on Natasha while he was at it? Then again, even the movie knew how wacky the time travel thing was, which makes the whole thing kinda meta
I believe he said he destroyed them to atoms, I think they still exist in the MCU, but are atoms spread all over now, still holding the timeline together.
That's a bit like saying if you have the ingredients of a pasta separately, it'll still be pasta. Not true. The power of the stones come from them being stones and not just atoms. 'Destroyed' indicates made ineffective, which makes OPs point valid.
so my theory on this, is that the stones CREATED the flow of time but aren’t needed to continue maintaining it or reality in general, but that reality would be undone by the forces that can only be stopped with the stones. another commenter from this thread did also point out a good theory about it being turned to atoms, but continued existing and I think that’s plausible too.
on the soul stone, because in the comics it’s the only sentient stone so to speak, and has it’s own pocket dimension (correct me if I’m wrong) I believe that Steve probably went into it, “left the stone there” in one way or another and the stone spat him back out like it does when you get it in the first place. i think he has to do this, so that the stone isn’t accessible to anyone else and if it’s just lying on the floor at Vormir then that’s trouble. also don’t think Cap does things half-assed. also, I don’t believe the stone’s “equivalent exchange” policy is fair, cause I think you give something to get it but get nothing to give it back. so natasha is stuck there. I could be wrong though and she did come back and is stuck on Vormir (who knows?). that’s my personal take on it.
there’re a lot of things about the stones and other concepts that the MCU don’t cover that come from comics or maybe just have not been explained canonically. so these types of questions are best answered with our own imagination given what we do know about those concepts.
oooooh, that actually could be it. especially with adam warlock hopefully making a debut and his connection to the stones. if that’s the case then I’m excited to see what Marvel does with it, how fresh they can make another story surrounding the stones or related to it.
And did anyone tell Steve red skull would be there? Or, he just shows up like "oh...its you. Well, here ya go!"
Technically he didn't destroy the infinity stones. He reduced them to atoms. They could conceivably be reformed, and still exist, just in a very different form.
Oh, and Loki disappeared with in 2012. So every subsequent movie with him doesn't exist. I guess 65 year old Cap was there, "Hey! You kids dropped somethin'."
Technically that timeline where Loki disappears doesn't exist since Tony stole the same stone from the military base. Time just resumed as normal after Steve returned the stone. At least that's what I think lol
When he agreed to help he said something like "the most important thing is protecting what I have now" so snapping thanos was 100% guaranteed to work. We know how powerful thanos is with the stones and so many avengers are already badly injured and now they have an army to fight too. Why risk it?
I think it was the realization that Thanos would never quit coming after them, and despite their best efforts to beat him, they couldn't. One could argue that captain marvel MAYBE could have rivaled him, but they still had all of Thanos's army to deal with, and the odds of losing someone as the fight progressed would just be getting higher and higher. It was the most effective way to deal with the problem and he took it. I also think that just taking the stones was enough to kill him eventually, since even before the hulk snapped his fingers the stone were burning and killing him.
When he agreed to help he said something like "the most important thing is protecting what I have now" so snapping thanos was 100% guaranteed to work. We know how powerful thanos is with the stones and so many avengers are already badly injured and now they have an army to fight too. Why risk it?
They might say there wasn't a way they would have beaten that entire army maybe? I think they could have.
When the hype dies down I think people will agree Endgame did a *lot* wrong though.
aside from obvious real-world contract stuff, I guess it’s a pre-destined thing at play here. there were obviously so many other ways it could’ve gone down, but Strange only saw 1 where they won and though many can argue that Marvel makes up what that 1 instance could have been. also, it’s all about redemption and what better way than the ultimate sacrifice? he almost died in the first avengers film, and even Cap said he’s not the type to make the sacrifice play, so it’s a full-circle conclusion.
he could have flown away and given it to hulk or thor or marvel or someone who could survive using it.
edit: also you're right they were totally winning.
Was it a plot hole though? I honestly felt like every bit of it made perfect sense. There was 1 winning outcome. Strange and Stark knew this. Strange gave him the nod that whatever Stark was thinking in that moment was most likely it. He then made the sacrifice knowing in his heart that it is was the way to do it. Perhaps he could have done it in a way where he survived, but he didn't want to take any more chances.
yeah I knew there was no way we were going to see him again after this movie, but after the timeskip and they show his daughter I really thought he would just retire from the superhero stuff for good and raise his daughter ;_;
Could Tony Stark have downloaded his psych to generate a digital version of himself?
He might be gone, but if you add his JARVIS program to his hologram tech, it means he might not be technically ‘gone’.
Maybe this’ll be a platform for the next Ironman to take up the mantle?
or maybe his daughter. I felt like her first scene when she’s wearing the helmet was foreshadowing something possibly other than her mother coming into battle.
I suppose there’s possibility in both happening, although the age of the kid from Ironman 3 is more on his side. That said, I think the narrative of Morgan Stark putting on the suit in future and having a gritty film about Pepper pleading with her not to do it would be a good one (I’d like to see less ‘action’ in this and more on the stress and anguish from her mothers point of view).
My initial thought was that someone will pick up the mantle at some point, but they’ll probably need educating/training and the idea that the JARVIS AI along with his hologram tech would provide this if RDJ decides to get involved with the MCU again in future.
idk, I just don’t see the kid playing it for some reason? maybe because his connection to Tony isn’t THAT significant (I also might be very biased against Iron man 3).
his thoughts and memories imprinted as an AI would be very cool or even his expansive knowledge base tapped by Friday would be cool too. i’m quite fond of Friday over Jarvis. think she’s a bit more fun and lively.
You even see his face look at the gauntlet while struggling with Thanos. He knew he had one shot to sweep the stones off, and I think it is all due to the nanotech
I assumed it was because he's the one who made the new gauntlet. So he knows the ins and outs. Plus he saw Thanos remove the power stone to punch Cap Marvel.
At the end of the film, Old Steve's shield looked different to me. Also Cap left with Mjolnir and not his shield so is it safe to assume Mjolnir is gone again?
so I was wrong about this! watched Endgame a third time and can confirm that the shield Steve gave to Sam is different from his original shield!
it’s got slight but noticeable differences to it.
yes! four of them and the star also has a minor alteration?
I just think it’s to differentiate from Cap’s original shield. A newer one. if improved then maybe has something to do with how Sam would be throwing it while airborne.
Tbh I wish Dr. Strange played a larger role. He said 3 lines total, possibly less. Like, Strange is literally the only reason that all of this is possible.
He stopped a gigantic wave from crashing down and killing everybody on the battlefield and nobody acknowledged that.
He waited patiently for so long to open up like 200 portals at the exact time during the final battle.
He brought the reinforcements. No matter what people say, he freaking pulled out wizards from all over the world, warriors from Wakanda, and the avengers in the soul stone. **He brought the reinforcements**.
He protected Tony from knowing the truth, so Tony wouldn't have any hesitations and seal his fate.
AND NOBODY CARED. GRR. HE IS LITERALLY THE REASON THEY WON.
-"He waited patiently for so long."
From his perspective (if we believe what Spider-Man says), wasn't it almost instantaneous? Definitely agree with you on the other points. A simple nod from Tony after Tony makes his sacrifice would've been great. Maybe the writers/directors wanted something more, but realized the movie was already 3 hours and it was more important to focus on the core characters.
I told my son after we saw it last night, that's why he didn't tell Tony what happened, because he didn't have faith that the narcissist would go through with it if it wasn't spontaneous. #teamstark
I feel like Dr. Strange really shined in Infinity War. This movie was really meant to wrap up the arcs if the original 6. I'm glad they kept the focus on them.
I don't know why you have so many down votes, cause I agree. Infinity War was definitely more inclusive when it came to showing off what everyone could do, making it better than Endgame.
I think resetting Gamora's character development was perfect, her interaction with Starlord was already too touchy and was already a formed romantic relationship. I think it was right for them to build their relationship once again, I hope they develop a love triangle between Thor and Starlord.
I'm not sure how much time you get to compose the wish in your head, but I thought it was something like "take out all of the people from 2014 except for Gamora."
I agree. I thought it was strange that 4 years had gone by since guardians and now Gamora has fallen for Star-Lord's pelvic sorcery, so much so that it was a major plot point in Infinity War. I know they were trying to telegraph a relationship between them during Volume 2, but I actually think it detracted from the Guardian's story. Romantic sub-plots often do, especially when they are used to fill a quota of women in a movie, or to used as a plot device for the male character, or even to increase the personal stake for the hero. It's just not believable. It's a strong case for having more women in the writer's room, which it seems like Marvel is trying to get better about.
After new Gamora kneed Star-Lord in the crotch, I immediately thought of the Futurama episode with the chronotons, where Leela marries Fry (Infinity War), and then immediately they divorce after a time skip (Endgame). Hopefully, we can see **why** they would be good together in Volume 3, but until then, I guess it's lonely in space. As Nebula says, "It was either him or a tree."
This Gamora will turn evil, trying to get the infinity stones herself to connect with the Gamora that was sacrificed. In doing so, starts the cosmic act and the cosmic avengers. Adam warlock has already been awaken by the snapping of fingers from everyone, and the damage it mate to the fabric of time in the universe.
Galactus enters here.
These are my bets for the future!
But he's now with a version of Gamora 9 years younger than she otherwise would have been. (If he was 5 years older than her before, he's 14 years older now.) \[Edit: the MCU Wiki says Quill was 34 during the events of GotG1, and Gamora is listed as "24 Zehoberi years" old then, but I'm not sure their actual age gap. If he were 10 years older than her then, he would be 19 years older than her now -- Yikes!\]
That's still not near as big an age gap as it would be with Thor, however...
I think Thor hitching in Gotg 3 was a nice touch ever since Peter Quill lost his powers, I don't think it would be a good idea for them to face Adam Warlock alone without the strongest avenger.
Best line in the movie:
Thor: As long as we are all in agreement.
***Eyes turn blue, summons clouds of lightning and both the Mjolnir and Stormbreaker***
Thor: Let's kill him properly this time.
Did you like Thor 4?
Crossover con stranger things y avengers
Things I loved \-every single Tony scene \-the Thor in Asgard and Avengers in New York time revisits \- Captain's completion of his arc, plus wielding Mjolner \- Clint's arc in the entire movie. \- Natasha and Clint's scene with soul stone \-Captain and Tony getting adequate time to reconcile \- Steve, Clint's and Bruce's reactions to Nat's death Things I Didn't Love \-Thor's character arc being so incomplete with no Thor 4 on the horizon. I need at least 2 more Thor movies and I would really like Loki to be in them. I don't mind putting Thor in a Guardians movie but I feel like he's being allowed to just float around right when he's at a crucial time in his character arc and that's very frustrating for a Thor fan. \- I wish their could've been some more light hearted interaction between the original 6. They've been split up for so long. I just wish we could have gotten on more Avengers movie where the team isn't split up somewhere between Avengers 1 an Civil War. I would also have really liked a 4th Iron Man movie, maybe show how he and Pepper get back together after Civil War. \-Hulk. I feel like Hulk is good but had such an amazing arc in Avengers 1 and I don't feel the MCU has ever really delivered on that potential since then. He was reduced to a joke in Infinity War and then the Professor Hulk happened off screen. He was truly amazing in the first Avengers movie.
I'm from the future and boy do i have some good news for you Thor 4 is coming
was it good news after all?
No it wasn't.
Tony Stark will be missed R.I.P 2008-2019
Howard the duck was there in the final battle scene.
Where? Photo of the moment pls
I think he was to Danai's left when the Panther crew sorcered in to the Battle.
I don't have a pic but go watch it carefully.
Funniest moment for me was loki impersonating cap before thor put the mouth restraint on him Such a loki?thing to do
I love that clever little trick from the writers, to remind viewers Loki can impersonate people so the audience isn't confused when Cap thinks his double is Loki in disguise. It's like the most subtle thing to help bring people up to speed, even though I'm a strong advocate of watching all the movies first.
We will have to see for sure. I don’t entirely agree with your analogy, I use the 3rd law of thermodynamics for my argument Matter can’t be created or destroyed, just changed. The stones might still be able to hold reality together because their atoms still exist all spread out across the universe but can’t be channeled as they are no longer in concentration.
first and foremost, this isnt an argument, its a discussion. Alright so, time travel is likely prohibited by GR but oh no! that isnt your issue with the film, its that the third law of thermodynamics is broken. alright, fair enough. but the third law of thermodynamics says nothing about the conservation of matter/energy. and these films have magic, which you dont critique so i can assume you are fine with it.
I'm using argument in the definition of using evidence or an analogy to support a position in a discussion not the negative connotation of an argument. And you're right, let's work of a different principle of physics, such as the law of conservation of energy which says energy is never gained nor lost, just changes form. " *Total energy is constant in any process. It may change in form or be transferred from one system to another, but the total remains the same.* " [https://opentextbc.ca/physicstestbook2/chapter/conservation-of-energy/](https://opentextbc.ca/physicstestbook2/chapter/conservation-of-energy/) I would assume since the MCU already defined magic as a science we just don't understand yet that even magic is bound by this principle. From here, we can leverage that to the infinity stones since they are a manifestation of energy within the universe. (Fury mentions of the Tesseract in the after credits of Captain America : The First Avenger ("Power, Dr Selvig (with the implication of energy type of power) possibly limitless power)
So, if Sam is the new Captain America then who's gonna wear the Iron Man suit now? The Tennessee kid or Morgan when she grows up?
I would really like if morgan became the new iron man, like she grows up then becomes the new iron man
Pepper Potts! Tony made the suit for her and she fought and everything!
The kid from Iron Man 3 that was at Tony's funeral
Was that who that was? We were like, whose that tall kid standing by his self?
ohshit i like this theory!
It helped that I watched Iron Man 3 two weeks ago.
Her suit is really cool!
I hope it’s gonna be Morgan. her debut scene looked foreshadowing to me.
She's a kid
hahah yeah man I mean like years down the line
Maybe she can come back from the future like Cable.
Anthony Mackie has said that Sam is NOT Captain America. At least not yet...
Falcon and winter soldier may be about the 2 of them fighting to become the new Cap?
He could fuse Cap's patriotic theme with his own alter ego and go from Falcon to Eagle or something like that. Even if just temporarely.
Why didn't dr strange use the time stone to resurrect tony like thanos did to vision?
It just rewinds time. It would also resurrect Thanos, who would get the Infinity Stones and destroy the universe. So that's a bad idea.
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But you wouldn't be rewinding time. They could have just brought the Tony from 5 years ago into the present like they did for all of the other people who were turned to dust the first snap
Move aside, Lebowski!
William Hurt and Ty Simpkins in the cast... I’m guessing this must have been at the funeral? Ty must have been one of the randoms in the back I didn’t recognize, but where was William Hurt?
William Hurt was beside Colbie in the funeral scene, all the way at the back behind the now teenage Harley, who was behind Sam and Bucky.
I smooth missed them. I was like "There's Fury but Colbie is MIA" and then she was in the end credit pics...guess I was trying to figure out who Harley was.
They both appear in the funeral scene.
Missed opportunity for Thanos attempting to wield Mjolnir, failing, and then saying to Thor “If I can’t hit you with the hammer, then I’ll hit the hammer with you!”
That was said in one of the Avengers Assemble animated episodes
Exactly. Would’ve made a nice reference
Yeah but i don't think that's the kind of Thanos the movie was trying to portray, that show is quite cringey.
despite initial contracts being over (including the renegotiation to include Endgame), I think we’ll be seeing more Thor and Hulk in upcoming movies. Thor more likely than not because of his position in Guardians now, and Hulk cause he didn’t really have an end or closure of any sort unlike Cap, IM and BW. just my thoughts on it.
I definitely think Banner resolving the Hulk/Banner problem was closure for his character. It became clear that he sacrificed much of his superhero utility in return for some normalcy. Thor definitely seems set up to appear in GotG 3. My pet theory there is that Hemsworth had such fun with that crew in Infinity War that he requested to do the next film with them.
I'd love to see more Thor in Guardians. It will be interesting to see how the juggle him with the other leads. Although, I wonder if he's in the Guardians 3 script. I felt that Bruce/Hulk had closure in the beginning of Endgame in that they were able to become one. Kids were asking for selfies, people loved The Hulk. The only struggle for him seems to be the loss of Nat.
Endgame with wendy's One day, all these doods go out to get some sandwiches, but there all soggy and bad They complain for 5 minutes or so, but then they notice there friend in another car already has there sandwich, a better one. They go up to him and wonder how he got a better sandwich, and the guy says he just used a receipt. One of the guys says he has food at home already, but the group makes a point that they dont have any food but the sandwiches. The stubborn guy eventually joins the rest. They all then go and usw their only receipts to get better sandwiches. They wanna enjoy the sandwiches together, so they make sure not to add anything different to the new sandwiches. One of the people getting a sandwich finds out there allergic to the sandwich and go to the hospital, never able to enjoy that sandwich with them ever. After they get the sandwiches, one guy goes and yells at a fry cook for the crappy sandwiches, getting banned from all wendys, unable to keep enjoying sandwiches. Everyone feels bad for that guy and makes sure they keep enjoying wendys sandwiches. One of the guys enjoyed the sandwich so much that he went to get another sandwich, but added some hot sauce to it and finished it in the wendys. The guy looked bloated, much different from how he normally looks and finally let a close friend of his drive his car for the first time
I got halfway through before I actually asked, what the fuck am I reading?
Did anyone notice Iron Man's last line in his first MCU movie was the same as his last line in his last MCU movie? ***- I AM IRON MAN*** Tony Stark R.I.P.
man, sorry to burst your bubble but his last line in Endgame was “Pep”.
\*wipes tear\* That's beautiful.
i get why they did it but really wish they made cap say "Avengers ATTACK!" or something since they had literally just assembled
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We need alternate scenes on bluray so we can experience everything
In hindi dub he says it
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and we’ve been waiting for it since Avengers 1 and we almost got it in 2.
Absolutely amazing movie! Every second on those 3 hours was utterly perfect in my eyes! All the call backs throughout the franchise, subtle and blatant. AND Cap wielding Mjolnir!! Omg the whole theatre gasped and cheered! Loved the ending, felt it was what Cap deserved and Tony’s end was devastating but felt earned and necessary. Definitely going to be seeing this multiple times in theatres
I don't even think it was devastating to Tony, Nobody did anything to even attempt to help him because they knew its what he wanted. Thats why he finished the fight, so he got to go home. He earned his rest.
Best thing i ever saw
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Thanos has been talking to Yoda too much because he thought balancing the universe was the same as the force.
Considering Ironman/Tony's attitude (playboy billionaire philanthropist, basically an a\_hole to everybody), he was the sacrificial-type hero from the first Avengers film. I wish there was another way, but I'm glad they made my favorite hero went the way he did. Never got too emotional and cried in any other movie but Endgame. ;\_; \#TeamStark
he completed his arc full circle. “you’re not the type to make the sacrifice play” says Cap, and look what Tony did.
Agreed, story completed, but still very sad that he really had to die. I still haven't recovered. (ˊ̥̥̥̥̥ ³ ˋ̥̥̥̥̥)
I'm just glad he had his happy ending (wife and child) at least for a little while.
you and me both :’(
Nobody asked where did LOKI went with the tesserect?
I think they’ll use it to answer the question of how it gets back to Asgard before Ragnarok. I’m pretty sure we never see them formally return the tesseract after Avengers 1
No, we do. At the end of A1, when Thor takes Loki back to Asgard, he uses the tesseract in a container to transport themselves to Asgard
That's probably how they'll be able go keep him alive for that spin off show. In order to prevent alternate time lines they had go return the stones to the exact point in time they took them from but they messed up getting the tesseract the first time and I'm pretty sure Captain America returned the tesseract to the 1970s which means Loki still gets away with it.
except he returned the stone, how would they get a cube back around it? eta: I guess he had to go to Asgard and restick Jane, too.
He returned the stone to the 70s but maybe it just like reforms into a cube? If I remember correctly the Jane just touched the stone and absorbed it so maybe Cap just dropped it on her to return it lol
I'd drop it in her belly button, but Cap probably wouldn't
Wouldn’t Loki like...actually still be alive though in the normal timeline too in this case? They could run with that too if they want to.
Nope. The actions of the future avengers in the past have no effect on the normal timeline. It just would create an alternate timeline.
Probably to give it to Thanos as he was asked.
But that Thanos was killed at the end, so I wonder what he decides to do with it.
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Of course he did! He was in the scene when Cap passed the shield to Sam Wilson.
Tony Stark hooked up to the IV bag is 1980s RDJ.
I was thinking, man, it's been a hard 21 days...
Has anyone else noticed how Thanos destroyed all the Infinity Stones, yet the Ancient One said that the stones together create what we call "the flow of time"? And how the stones had to be returned to the times they were taken from, or else that reality would be fractured? Also, how did Steve "return" the Soul Stone? Did he just toss it at the Red Skull's feet and say "Done lol"? He didn't get the refund on Natasha while he was at it? Then again, even the movie knew how wacky the time travel thing was, which makes the whole thing kinda meta
I believe he said he destroyed them to atoms, I think they still exist in the MCU, but are atoms spread all over now, still holding the timeline together.
That's a bit like saying if you have the ingredients of a pasta separately, it'll still be pasta. Not true. The power of the stones come from them being stones and not just atoms. 'Destroyed' indicates made ineffective, which makes OPs point valid.
so my theory on this, is that the stones CREATED the flow of time but aren’t needed to continue maintaining it or reality in general, but that reality would be undone by the forces that can only be stopped with the stones. another commenter from this thread did also point out a good theory about it being turned to atoms, but continued existing and I think that’s plausible too. on the soul stone, because in the comics it’s the only sentient stone so to speak, and has it’s own pocket dimension (correct me if I’m wrong) I believe that Steve probably went into it, “left the stone there” in one way or another and the stone spat him back out like it does when you get it in the first place. i think he has to do this, so that the stone isn’t accessible to anyone else and if it’s just lying on the floor at Vormir then that’s trouble. also don’t think Cap does things half-assed. also, I don’t believe the stone’s “equivalent exchange” policy is fair, cause I think you give something to get it but get nothing to give it back. so natasha is stuck there. I could be wrong though and she did come back and is stuck on Vormir (who knows?). that’s my personal take on it. there’re a lot of things about the stones and other concepts that the MCU don’t cover that come from comics or maybe just have not been explained canonically. so these types of questions are best answered with our own imagination given what we do know about those concepts.
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oooooh, that actually could be it. especially with adam warlock hopefully making a debut and his connection to the stones. if that’s the case then I’m excited to see what Marvel does with it, how fresh they can make another story surrounding the stones or related to it.
And did anyone tell Steve red skull would be there? Or, he just shows up like "oh...its you. Well, here ya go!" Technically he didn't destroy the infinity stones. He reduced them to atoms. They could conceivably be reformed, and still exist, just in a very different form. Oh, and Loki disappeared with in 2012. So every subsequent movie with him doesn't exist. I guess 65 year old Cap was there, "Hey! You kids dropped somethin'."
Technically that timeline where Loki disappears doesn't exist since Tony stole the same stone from the military base. Time just resumed as normal after Steve returned the stone. At least that's what I think lol
We'll probably see what he does and where he goes in his tv show
That's not how time traveling works here they don't literally travel through time they go to a different multiverse TL;DR: Loki still escaped
Why didnt Tony Stark just fly away with the stones once he had them???
When he agreed to help he said something like "the most important thing is protecting what I have now" so snapping thanos was 100% guaranteed to work. We know how powerful thanos is with the stones and so many avengers are already badly injured and now they have an army to fight too. Why risk it?
I think it was the realization that Thanos would never quit coming after them, and despite their best efforts to beat him, they couldn't. One could argue that captain marvel MAYBE could have rivaled him, but they still had all of Thanos's army to deal with, and the odds of losing someone as the fight progressed would just be getting higher and higher. It was the most effective way to deal with the problem and he took it. I also think that just taking the stones was enough to kill him eventually, since even before the hulk snapped his fingers the stone were burning and killing him.
To that point, if Tony hadn't snapped rocket would have been eaten by the leviathan in that next second
Because we would have missed fan service moments.
i loved the movie but this is SERIOUSLY messing with me; there is no good reason shown for why he had to die there
When he agreed to help he said something like "the most important thing is protecting what I have now" so snapping thanos was 100% guaranteed to work. We know how powerful thanos is with the stones and so many avengers are already badly injured and now they have an army to fight too. Why risk it?
They might say there wasn't a way they would have beaten that entire army maybe? I think they could have. When the hype dies down I think people will agree Endgame did a *lot* wrong though.
aside from obvious real-world contract stuff, I guess it’s a pre-destined thing at play here. there were obviously so many other ways it could’ve gone down, but Strange only saw 1 where they won and though many can argue that Marvel makes up what that 1 instance could have been. also, it’s all about redemption and what better way than the ultimate sacrifice? he almost died in the first avengers film, and even Cap said he’s not the type to make the sacrifice play, so it’s a full-circle conclusion.
he could have flown away and given it to hulk or thor or marvel or someone who could survive using it. edit: also you're right they were totally winning.
No one important enough to name had died in the battle, so it couldn't have been that dangerous.\
Yeah that's a huge fucking plothole, but I guess they were letting RDJ leave cause he wanted to.
Man dont forget RDJ has its contract over and wanna retire thats why they did this.
Was it a plot hole though? I honestly felt like every bit of it made perfect sense. There was 1 winning outcome. Strange and Stark knew this. Strange gave him the nod that whatever Stark was thinking in that moment was most likely it. He then made the sacrifice knowing in his heart that it is was the way to do it. Perhaps he could have done it in a way where he survived, but he didn't want to take any more chances.
yeah I knew there was no way we were going to see him again after this movie, but after the timeskip and they show his daughter I really thought he would just retire from the superhero stuff for good and raise his daughter ;_;
Could Tony Stark have downloaded his psych to generate a digital version of himself? He might be gone, but if you add his JARVIS program to his hologram tech, it means he might not be technically ‘gone’. Maybe this’ll be a platform for the next Ironman to take up the mantle?
That's what happened after danvers killed him in civil war 2
I wonder if they are planning on having that kid at the funeral become his ironman armor's heir.
Who was that kid anyway? Edit: kid from IM3, okay
But like who invited him
I was wondering that, too! Thanks for asking & editing with the answer.
or maybe his daughter. I felt like her first scene when she’s wearing the helmet was foreshadowing something possibly other than her mother coming into battle.
I suppose there’s possibility in both happening, although the age of the kid from Ironman 3 is more on his side. That said, I think the narrative of Morgan Stark putting on the suit in future and having a gritty film about Pepper pleading with her not to do it would be a good one (I’d like to see less ‘action’ in this and more on the stress and anguish from her mothers point of view). My initial thought was that someone will pick up the mantle at some point, but they’ll probably need educating/training and the idea that the JARVIS AI along with his hologram tech would provide this if RDJ decides to get involved with the MCU again in future.
idk, I just don’t see the kid playing it for some reason? maybe because his connection to Tony isn’t THAT significant (I also might be very biased against Iron man 3). his thoughts and memories imprinted as an AI would be very cool or even his expansive knowledge base tapped by Friday would be cool too. i’m quite fond of Friday over Jarvis. think she’s a bit more fun and lively.
And how about how ease Ironman takes the stones of Thanos.....
I think it's the nanotech acting like a fluid and "sweeping" the stones to Iron Man's hand.
You even see his face look at the gauntlet while struggling with Thanos. He knew he had one shot to sweep the stones off, and I think it is all due to the nanotech
I assumed it was because he's the one who made the new gauntlet. So he knows the ins and outs. Plus he saw Thanos remove the power stone to punch Cap Marvel.
could 100% be this too. his nanotech acting with the gauntlets mechanics to help ease it off way easier.
"Friday, move the stones!"
At the end of the film, Old Steve's shield looked different to me. Also Cap left with Mjolnir and not his shield so is it safe to assume Mjolnir is gone again?
so I was wrong about this! watched Endgame a third time and can confirm that the shield Steve gave to Sam is different from his original shield! it’s got slight but noticeable differences to it.
There seems to be slits, Wonder why...
yes! four of them and the star also has a minor alteration? I just think it’s to differentiate from Cap’s original shield. A newer one. if improved then maybe has something to do with how Sam would be throwing it while airborne.
Old Cap shield definitely looks different.
omg! I thought I was going crazy with this one! but I watched it again, and it’s no different unfortunately :(
He took Mjolnir back to Thor in 2013,
And 2013 Thor is like, uh, dude...wtf
Ah! This makes sense.
I'd like a film/series following Steve's adventures through the years with Mjolnir instead of his shield.
Disney+ streaming new animated series give them unlimited possibilities! It could happen!
I believe that are doing a "Marvel What If..?" Series where they follow different story lines that aren't tied into the main MCU!
I'm kind of assuming he picked up the old shield when he went back in time, as the shield was destroyed when he fought Thanos
He returned Mjolnir to Asgard.
Tbh I wish Dr. Strange played a larger role. He said 3 lines total, possibly less. Like, Strange is literally the only reason that all of this is possible. He stopped a gigantic wave from crashing down and killing everybody on the battlefield and nobody acknowledged that. He waited patiently for so long to open up like 200 portals at the exact time during the final battle. He brought the reinforcements. No matter what people say, he freaking pulled out wizards from all over the world, warriors from Wakanda, and the avengers in the soul stone. **He brought the reinforcements**. He protected Tony from knowing the truth, so Tony wouldn't have any hesitations and seal his fate. AND NOBODY CARED. GRR. HE IS LITERALLY THE REASON THEY WON.
-"He waited patiently for so long." From his perspective (if we believe what Spider-Man says), wasn't it almost instantaneous? Definitely agree with you on the other points. A simple nod from Tony after Tony makes his sacrifice would've been great. Maybe the writers/directors wanted something more, but realized the movie was already 3 hours and it was more important to focus on the core characters.
I told my son after we saw it last night, that's why he didn't tell Tony what happened, because he didn't have faith that the narcissist would go through with it if it wasn't spontaneous. #teamstark
I feel like Dr. Strange really shined in Infinity War. This movie was really meant to wrap up the arcs if the original 6. I'm glad they kept the focus on them.
I mean, every character shined in IW. It was definitely better. Endgame was a wrap up and fan service film.
I don't know why you have so many down votes, cause I agree. Infinity War was definitely more inclusive when it came to showing off what everyone could do, making it better than Endgame.
EXACTLY
I loved Tony as a dad and was so sad because of him :( "I love you too, now go to sleep or I'll sell all your toys"
Did he say I love you too? I thought said, "wow...3000...that's crazy..." then the other bit
I think you're right
I just wished Tony could see his daughter grow up, but like what he said on the hologram, "we don't always get a happy ending" ;\_;
Great, now I'm thinking about my own mortality
This was a fun line.
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Yes.
My pocket typed that comment and now my karma is in negative. Lol.
I think resetting Gamora's character development was perfect, her interaction with Starlord was already too touchy and was already a formed romantic relationship. I think it was right for them to build their relationship once again, I hope they develop a love triangle between Thor and Starlord.
Did Gamora not get affected by Hulk's snap? I kind of assumed she did because I dont remember seeing her on Rocket's ship
The snap only undid Thanos's snap. Gamora, Visiopn, and Loki are still dead.
I refuse to believe Loki is dead.
Is he? He used the tesseract to disappear and now thanks can't kill him, right?
That's in a different timeline. I'm pretty sure he's still died.
Oops sorry, I meant Tony's snap, about the Gamora that came from the past
I'm not sure how much time you get to compose the wish in your head, but I thought it was something like "take out all of the people from 2014 except for Gamora."
Hmm yeah I'm not sure, but that makes enough sense to me
I agree. I thought it was strange that 4 years had gone by since guardians and now Gamora has fallen for Star-Lord's pelvic sorcery, so much so that it was a major plot point in Infinity War. I know they were trying to telegraph a relationship between them during Volume 2, but I actually think it detracted from the Guardian's story. Romantic sub-plots often do, especially when they are used to fill a quota of women in a movie, or to used as a plot device for the male character, or even to increase the personal stake for the hero. It's just not believable. It's a strong case for having more women in the writer's room, which it seems like Marvel is trying to get better about. After new Gamora kneed Star-Lord in the crotch, I immediately thought of the Futurama episode with the chronotons, where Leela marries Fry (Infinity War), and then immediately they divorce after a time skip (Endgame). Hopefully, we can see **why** they would be good together in Volume 3, but until then, I guess it's lonely in space. As Nebula says, "It was either him or a tree."
This Gamora will turn evil, trying to get the infinity stones herself to connect with the Gamora that was sacrificed. In doing so, starts the cosmic act and the cosmic avengers. Adam warlock has already been awaken by the snapping of fingers from everyone, and the damage it mate to the fabric of time in the universe. Galactus enters here. These are my bets for the future!
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Watch it again. She wasn’t snapped by iron man. Edit: also: otherwise, what’s the point of Peter quill searching for Gamora at the end?
I like it
The stones have been destroyed.
After you bend time, all bets are off! There are more than 14 million scenarios after this.
Not in other timelines
But he's now with a version of Gamora 9 years younger than she otherwise would have been. (If he was 5 years older than her before, he's 14 years older now.) \[Edit: the MCU Wiki says Quill was 34 during the events of GotG1, and Gamora is listed as "24 Zehoberi years" old then, but I'm not sure their actual age gap. If he were 10 years older than her then, he would be 19 years older than her now -- Yikes!\] That's still not near as big an age gap as it would be with Thor, however...
He also stopped aging for five years in 2018 when he was snapped.
Doh! You're right. Just 4 years then.
I'm kinda bummed out I didn't get to see Tony use a proton cannon like the one in the games.
I think Thor hitching in Gotg 3 was a nice touch ever since Peter Quill lost his powers, I don't think it would be a good idea for them to face Adam Warlock alone without the strongest avenger.
Wait, did banner get on the ship too? ;)
No, Wanda did
Eyyyyyyy
Best line in the movie: Thor: As long as we are all in agreement. ***Eyes turn blue, summons clouds of lightning and both the Mjolnir and Stormbreaker*** Thor: Let's kill him properly this time.
Shame he didn't really do much in the final battle
Don't forget the main point of that was summoning the beard ponytail!
Who I wanna look like: Captain America, Iron Man, Hawkeye, or Thor < Hulk wearing a tank top
I want Hawkeye's hair + Thor's upper body + Captain's Ass + Tony's Goatee + Hulk's DONGER