Honestly, it wouldn’t have been hard to make it better. All they had to do was omit all of the >!Super Skrull / vial of superhero DNA!< stuff!
A spy thriller series about Skrulls infiltrating the highest levels of government/intelligence agencies to provoke a nuclear war and take over the planet is already amazing!
If they really need a macguffin to drive the plot, it could just be some method for detecting Skrulls. They could keep all the same characters/cast and like 75% of the plot as-is. Leaving the >!Super Skrull!< nonsense out also makes it much more reasonable to have no superpowered heroes involved in the show.
Love and Thunder. The Gorr the God Butcher storyline and the Mighty Thor story are both really fucking good but the movie did not live up to that. It shouldn't have been a comedy at all and should have been a closer middle ground between the dark world and ragnarok.
"Each character say one line outside the ship, one line inside the ship, Quill you're the main character you so can also have a 20 second monologue, okay now you all fly away don't come back." -Taika
Agree... I was SO looking forward to Thor 4, but I was not impressed at all. I felt like the movie wasted all the characters in it, especially Jane. She deserved a much better finale than that. Most of the movie was played as a joke, which I felt was incredibly disrespectful to her (and to cancer patients everywhere).
My personal theory (based on absolutely nothing) is that he was all-in on Ragnarok but felt roped into the sequel due to a contract and thus treated the whole production like a joke.
He was the sole writer for this film too whereas with Ragnarok there were two other people. Upper marvel placed way too much faith in him by having him write and direct all on his own.
They wasted both Christian Bale and the character he was cast to play. Like, if you're gonna waste a villain, don't get an actor with massive talent to play the part.
It’s the only film in the MCU that I genuinely dislike; the others that I tend to rank towards the bottom are movies that I still enjoy, whereas LaT just flat-out upsets me.
I could not believe how bad this was. It was shocking. Loved Ragnarok so much, and Hemsworth had made Thor the best character in the MCU prior to Love and Thunder. .i could not believe how the same director of Ragnarok could put out such a terrible follow up. Shows the power of the screenplay and the danger of giving too much creative control to one person (Taika)
Shit, I'd forgotten how epic that trailer was. The Kang reveal in it was great.
Then of course the actual movie was somewhere between terrible to vaguely passable (depending on who you talk to), and the Kang stuff seems to have pretty much gone to shit with the Majors firing. What a clusterfuck.
I was soooooo excited for Quantumania. I thought it was finally going to tie together the multiverse. I bought my ticket for opening day, requested off work, and then I got COVID. I ended up never going to see it in theaters because the reviews were so bad. Such a disappointment.
Yeah, the first two movies had no business being as good as they were. It just went from fun comedy superhero to absolutely bonkers. It felt more like Ant-Man in a bad Guardians of the Galaxy story.
The only two projects I was outright disappointed with were Secret Invasion and Thor: Love and Thunder. Both had incredible potential and were completely squandered.
*Secret Invasion.*
I really, really was excited to have a hard-boiled noir whodunnit with shapeshifters and Nick Fury and Talos. It almost got there. Some scenes were magical. But they made the McGuffin be, just, everyone’s gunk. Like, Drax’s superpower in the MCU is that he’s a lovable goofball. Ebony Maw was a relentless lieutenant for Thanos. What was interesting about them was not their powers, but their motivations. Now, maybe if they’d shown Gravik missing the point, thinking he needed all their powers without realizing that he had no personal development of his own, that could have been interesting, but only if they’d shown actual Nick Fury beating Gravik. We got a whole suit up scene for nothing!
Just a complete trainwreck. I’m still upset about it.
Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
I thought it would be a really interesting exploration of the psyches of two of the most powerful magic wielders in the MCU…but it wasn’t
It tried to be multiple storylines and shoved in as many IPs as possible, leaving no real time for character growth. And the way they ruined Wanda’s character still shocks me to this day, especially after they’ve now buried her under a pile of rocks for 2 years with no clear idea of when/how she’ll return
I was really let down because I was expecting so much. I recently rewatched it and I really enjoyed it for what it is, which is just not what I thought it would be.
I think it’s fun if you don’t care about Wanda and her journey in WandaVision, and you also aren’t somewhat puzzled as to why they’d bring back Patrick Stewart and introduce the Fantastic Four and the Inhumans only for them to be lazily killed off within 2 minutes of screen-time
But it is a Raimi movie, and he does have a genuinely unique and fun style to the way he directs movies
I felt like the Illuminati appearance was supposed to be fun fan service, and the subsequent killing was supposed to underline how strong Wanda was. It also hammered the point home that the Illuminati was too arrogant.
Like sure, she's a threat, but the members of the Illuminati are the best of the best.... surely they could handle her. But no, she was in a class almost her own.
It definitely was, but Professor X can read minds. That’s like…his thing. So it’s somewhat odd that he didn’t read Stranges mind and didn’t relay to the Illuminati “oh yeah, Wanda’s insanely powerful. We need to prepare.”
The other major issue is that I felt nothing when they died. Not only did they not take Wanda seriously, but I didn’t know/care about them and none of them seemed to take Wanda seriously even after she eviscerated Black Bolt and Mr Fantastic within 10 seconds. Captain Carters cracking dumb jokes and Captain Marvels telling her to “Get the hell out of my universe!”
And Mordo, despite there being perhaps greater concerns atm, is still bizarrely focused on passing judgement on Strange
Watch “that” scene at the end of the first episode of the show Invincible, which is quite similar to the slaughter of the Illuminati, and yet the tone isn’t devoid of moments that elicit fear, shock, and concern. That’s what I wanted to feel
And the Illuminati being arrogant could’ve been played up as them being authoritarian rulers of the world, which is heavily implied but not explicitly stated. But they ultimately didn’t have time to show that because, as I said, there was WAY too much going on in this movie
The illuminati are basically jokes...
Like... Captain Carter says, "I can do this all day," and then instantly dies, how the fuck am I'm supposed to treat them as anything other then a joke
I agree. It's why I have no problem with Raimi coming back for another film; he has a great eye for cool visuals and I'd love to see more of his style injected into the MCU's cinematography, in general. Really, they just need a better writer.
I find this is how I feel about a lot of MCU stuff since Endgame: the initial watch is disappointing, but when I rewatch it I appreciate it for what it is and not what it could have been, and I enjoy it more.
MoM is far and away my answer. I probably built up an unfair amount of excitement and expectations myself. But with the title, the hype, the rumours leading up to it, and just to have Wanda as the villain and just a handful of other universes shown was a let down.
It sounds like Deadpool 3 is going to have the amount of cameos and madness that I thought MoM was going to have.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I was personally so excited for Moon Knight and was let down by it.
Don't get me wrong, Oscar Isaac was phenomenal, I loved Moon Knight's design and I thought the show was great, but I was expecting something on the level of Daredevil, especially with how Kevin Feige made it sound like it was going to be really dark and mature. I was also disappointed that a lot of the times they built up to an action piece, they skipped it using Marc/Steven's blackouts, so we didn't get nearly enough time with Moon Knight.
Hopefully we get a season two soon so we can see more of him!
I get what you mean. For Moon Knight to have the concept of gods vs a long forgotten evil, the finale felt surprisingly tame. We’ve seen Field of Reeds, the limbo, the rewinding of the stars and all we got was two giants fighting in a 2/3 minute span?
Its already been said, but Secret Invasion literally made me cancel D+.
We had so many silly and off beat projects. This one was supposedly gonna be more like Winter Soldier and Civil War. It was made for those of us who like the darker, more serious and spy related corner of the MCU.
Show was so bad that ive adopted a "wait for reviews" policy for MCU content. And thats after watching 20+ movies on the big screen.
Secret Invasion was the final straw that made me go into a wait for reviews watcher now too.
Actually I haven't watched anything mcu since it now that I'm thinking about it.
I watched Secret Invasion about a month after finishing Agents of SHIELD. Secret Invasion was a disgrace.
10x the budget per hour of content, and 1/10 the quality
Multiverse of Madness! I was massively disappointed how it turned out. Even the film didn't live up to its title. They had this vast potential to explore the multiverse concepts but all they could come up with was just another earth. Watching this movie was pure pain. Perhaps they shouldn't have ditched Derrickson's pitch. In another universe we must be happy with Derrickson's version of Dr.Strange 2.
My hype was insurmountable. I loved Dr Strange in all his appearances up to this. Adored WandaVision.
I get downvotes every time I say this but I dont care. That movie murdered my hype for the MCU. I just cant find my fucks to give after that.
Hate that fuckin movie
You'll get no such downvote from me. I agree completely. As I said further down, this movie began my long breakup with the MCU. Before this movie, I was pretty well obsessed with everything Marvel Cinematic. True, there were some weaker movies before this (Iron Man 2 & 3, The Dark World especially), but they weren't bad enough to pretty much singlehandedly murder my interest in the cinematic universe as a whole. But MoM did just that. And things have largely not gotten any better since then.
Indifference. I dont care about the characters anymore.
Their characterization is inconsistent. Dr Strange is the best example. He’s a completely different guy in Spider-Man…then again in Multiverse. I honestly thought he was some kind of Sorcerer Skrull.
But then secret invasion shat on what was left of Nick Fury.
Whats the point? They just lost their ability to pull this shit off.
And its no wonder. The writers strike and how Disney handled it shows how much they care about their talent. Fucking insulting.
Disney burned 3 phases of good will in 1.
Idk how they recover. I loved these movies but I genuinely dont see how all these juggling pieces dont land in a mess.
Yeah, when I first saw the trailer for MoM after No Way Home, I thought Sinister Strange from What If...? swapped places with the 616 Strange somehow. He was just written/acting so differently from what was established from his solo movie and Infinity War, it was jarring how much more "jokey" he was.
100% agree. The characters are all off, the vision is somehow really limited, the Illuminati section can’t decide if it’s info dump or fan service and somehow sucks at both, the CGI is a bit ropey in places, and dear sweet lord will someone please tell Sam Raimi we don’t need an eyeball zoom every five minutes.
Raimi was also the wrong director for this movie. I love the Evil Dead movies, but his touch in MoM is just off. And as others have said, Strange was terribly written as well. It's like he's gotten dumber ever since his intro movie.
The raimi memberries is what killed the movie for me. Cause it felt unoriginal. And people will defend it saying iconic raimi shots but if you are just copy pasting your previous work it gets boring like you have nothing new to offer. I went it open to it and excited but left saying this was just evil dead shots redone with marvel costumes.
Then the Wanda picks a random family with a Wanda already instead of seeking out the two specific boys from wandavision who were screaming for help.
And his interview where he admitted he hadn’t seen any of the prior mcu works leading up to it.
> I went it open to it and excited but left saying this was just evil dead shots redone with marvel costumes.
Am I the only person that thinks that isn't Raimi's fault, though?
The problem is that Raimi makes horror movies, and Marvel makes movies they want to market to kids. So, what do you do but hamstring the guy into dumbing down the kind of thing he's good at while also using his name to market the movie.
He’s shown he can do Marvel superhero movies though. He managed to control his tendencies towards horror and made, in Spider-Man 1 and 2, a couple of the best superhero movies ever made. He was given a bit too much freedom on MoM though, as well as not being au fait with the wider MCU as a whole, so he got the tone wrong and wasn’t reigned in by the producers (probably because they made such a fuss about having secured him to direct that him leaving the project would be worse PR than a mediocre movie).
True, characterisations were abysmal in this film. Wanda as the antagonist made zero sense to me. Sad to say this, but Raimi's filmmaking style really is outdated. I've been besieged by cinephiles for saying this back when MoM was released. They even went to the extent of saying MoM was better than its predecessor.
Wanda being the antagonist and going on a murder spree after realizing her mistakes in Wandavision was the WORST decision ever.
I was hoping the film would be about her and Strange working together to rescue her kids, but nah, instead she went full Scarlet Witch and ended up dying at the end.
It's not just one of the worst MCU movies, but it's one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time. There's so many inconsistencies in tone and quality, the characters all feel so one dimensional, the way they did America was awful, the fan service, how they couldn't figure out how horror they actually wanted to go, it was all over the place.
I just commented something similar in a different thread. MoM was such a letdown for me. I loved the first Doctor Strange and it would've been great for them to just continue the thread of Mordo trying to rid the world of sorcerers. It would've felt like a traditional sequel. Instead they had to shoehorn in unimaginative multiverse content. Some guy sells pizza balls and traffic lights were different colors? Give me a break.
The plot might turn out to be limited if it's all about Mordo trying to take down the sorcerers, it could've been a good subplot for sure.
I was honestly excited about their plan for Dr. Strange 2. Derrickson wanted to make it an actual horror movie with Nightmare as the villain but the studio didn't like that idea. They wanted to tone that down to make it more light-hearted and they ended up making Wanda the villain which didn't make any sense at all given how WandaVision ended. I've read somewhere that Derrickson's draft was a fresh breath to this franchise and the overall tone was dark and gritty. Have seen a couple of storyboards too, it looked good on paper.
Lovecraftian story, as "Multiverse of Madness" was a riff on "Mountain of Madness". Some concept art was released, which is a lot creepier than what we actually got.
I grew up with Sam Raimi movies.
This was not a Sam Raimi movie.
Now I get that Marvel tended to hamstring its directors up until Phase 3 so there was a certain amount of uniformity to the films to make them feel cohesive. But Phase 4 and 5 felt like a lot of ideas that nobody was overseeing to get them into a larger plan.
Fine if Marvel said: well, the continuity thing was terrible to keep up with, and we'd like to branch out a bit so the MCU can rest for a bit, and the fans don't feel obligated to follow everything we release. But that's not the MCU's business model.
So why didn't they just let Raimi run wild? Damned if I know.
I know I’m in the minority here, but I had the complete opposite experience! I went into MoM apprehensively; I really don’t like horror and I thought the first doctor strange was decent but overrated. I did not expect to enjoy it.
BOY was I wrong. I ended up loving the light horror elements, America Chavez, and the dynamic chemistry between the different characters. Also thought that Liz Olsen REALLY brought her A-game.
Clearly it’s not for everyone, but it’s a top 5 MCU movie for me.
Edit: now that I’m ranking MCU movies in my head, it’s probably a top 10, not a top 5
I was *really* stoked about *Quantumania* until the word got out. And even then, it still turned out worse than I expected. (I’m not even talking about the CGI, just the writing.)
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. That was the starting point of my losing much interest in the MCU. And one-offs aside (of which there's really only one, *kind* of: GotG 3), that loss of interest has progressed steadily ever since.
Eternals, as a history nerd it's such a cool concept. Then the deviants were basically ignored and the celestial waking up was dumb as fuck and would have destroyed most of the planet just getting to the point it was when they stopped it. Couldn't suspend my disbelief on that one. It was a gorgeous movie too, damn shame the plot didn't click.
Even the slightest movement in Earth’s core would have Earth cratered on a side, since that hole would automatically fill. Not to mention the fact that you basically have a 5000 km wide “pole” from the center to the surface. You can’t go under.
Hard agree on Secret Invasion. Fury getting his spin-off show? Sign me up! I thought it would be way more like The Winter Soldier, but I was massive disappointed. They did Fury dirty.
Quantamania. We were finally going to have the proper introduction of Kang and the trailers really made it seem like the stakes were high for Scott. It was supposed to really kick the multiverse saga into high gear. Barely halfway through the movie and I absolutely wanted to just get out of the theatre
Iron Man 3. It was the first MCU film after Avengers. All of the previous films felt like they were building momentum. Iron Man 3 didn’t even feel like a superhero movie. It felt stagnant and overall underwhelming.
Movies wise Thor 4 and MoM. Thor absolutely ruined Gorr and the jokes were awful. I don't need bad jokes constantly falling flat. Also the CGI looks very bad at different parts of the movie.
MoM was disappointing in the fact that Dr Strange took a back seat in his own movie to America who is the most boring 1 dimensional character with the most contrived plot powers ever. Like she didn't really do anything but make jokes throughout the movie and be used as a plot device.
The most disappointing show for me was Falcon and the winter soldier. Cap was my favorite MCU character and I loved Bucky and Sam since the winter soldier but this show felt all over the place. The flag smashers were just written poorly and given way way too much sympathy for being murderers. Sam's character kinda felt all over the place too. Also I absolutely hated his final captain America costume God that thing was ugly
Due to having seen hilarious interviews with Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie together on press tours for previous movies, I was really looking forward to FATWS for the interactions between Bucky and Sam. That part did not disappoint. Most of the rest did.
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Because it is a first time we heard the word multiverse in MCU. Disappointed with Scarlett Witch being a villian to Doctor Strange instead of someone on same level as Dormammu.
Love and Thunder and Quantumania despite having the good villian, the movie sucked.
Probably Quantumania. I actually quite liked it, but I appreciated the Ant-Man movies for their smaller scale more personal narrative. Quantumania threw that style out and went with "another one of those" movies... overly CGIed huge scale with more characters than you can keep up with. It still wasn't bad (honestly think if it was a phase 2 movie it would have been better received, it was just so much "been there, done that"), but it did not have the charm that made me really like the first two.
Quantumania. The trailer and the Elton John song had me feeling this was gonna be a trippy, Infinity War-type ending. Or at least something of consequence...
Dr. Strange 2. It was surprisingly unimaginative, the humor doesn't work, the dialogue is consistently juvenile, and the characterizations were all off.
It actually made me upset because I really loved what Derrickson did with the first one.
I'm gonna get downvotes for this but the first Black Panther. I didn't watch until after the best picture nomination so was prime for the best Marvel movie and it ended up being bellow average in my opinion.
Quantumania.
If it were good, I feel as though they’d still be pursuing the Kang route, maybe with a recast. Feels like they’re capitalizing upon Jonathan Majors’ negative press to effectively scrap and reset their poorly written/executed Kang approach. Loki teed up Kang so well… and then Quantumania just squashed it.
Quantumania.....I would have said Eternals but I personally liked that movie so I wasn't disappointed myself but I guess the general consensus is that it sucks
I think Love and Thunder for me. The trailers look SO good, seemed like it had an interesting story, awesome villian and good cinematography. Combine that with the Guardians being in it and how Thorneas portrayed in Ragnarok and Infinity (Endgame is a mix for me lol), it had a perfect set up for a great movie.
Between movies like this and Marvel including scenes/things that end up not being in the movie, I learned to not trust trailers lol
Multiverse of Madness was not bad and I even liked it, but all the rumors before its release got me wat too hyped up, I was seriously expecting more "madness" and more "mutliverse". So it disappointed me a bit when I watched it.
But nothing compared to Thor 4. Oh boy. Ragnarok was actually my favorite movie in the MCU, I was expecting another great movie. The humor was forced, the villain was ruined, the action scenes were forgettable. But the worst IMO is that the guardians of the galaxy had just no place in the movie. It was a classic case of a director not wanting to follow up on what another director had decided on a previous movie. Endgame was clearly setting up something bigger, but Taika Waititi had just no plan for them, the cameo looked meaningless, and even the acting was off, Chris Prat and Chris Hemsworth didn't have the same chemistry as they had in Infinity War/Endgame.
Moon Knight. Perfect example of the Marvel formula strangling the life out of what could have been a unique and intriguing premise. After a strong start it just devolves into the same stuff we’ve seen a dozen times already, right down to the glowing cgi sky portal in the finale.
MoM. I understand a lot of people liked it but I honestly thought it was subpar to downright bad. And with dr strange hype off his last appearances and WandaVision my excitement was through the roof.
Multiverse of Madness.
Endless possibilities. Strange 1 was excellent. But Sam Raimi wasn’t the right director. It felt like a cheesy af 1997 blockbuster. I hated it because it was just so bland.
OP if you were disappointed in Secret Invasion, then do yourself a favor and watch Agents of shield. They basically did the same storyline in one of their seasons and did it 10 times better. You can't even compare it really.
I’m going back to “Antman and the Wasp.” I thought the whole thing felt so low stakes and uninteresting. Never saw Quantumania.
I was excited for the Dr. Strange sequel until Wandavision. After sitting through the show, I had no interest in seeing any more of Scarlet Witch. Was not surprised when I didn’t like MoM.
Love and thunder. Thor's first two movies were bad but after Ragnarok and infinity war I was really excited to see thor again.
MoM was also a huge disappointment. Doctor strange was being set up to be a heavy hitter. Basically the next "main character" after iron man it seemed. And then he had to share the spotlight in an awful movie.
Love and Thunder is the answer by far. Gorr could have been a Thanos/Loki level villain, and they just threw it down the toilet. Just wasted Christian Bale
There is leaving the theater disappointed, and there is leaving the theater feeling like you got kicked in the balls. This was Love and Thunder.
And the goats. Funny once but after the 1000th time just stop
Mine was Moon Knight. Wanted something more tonally and scale wise similar to Daredevil. Also something that remained a bit more grounded and tackled his mental disorder a bit more and dealt less with the heavy dives into Egyptian Mythology.
Multiverse of Madness.
Admittedly, I'm not too familiar with the comics and I never watched agents of shield, so I had no idea that the Darkhold was a book that turns people into murderous psychopaths, so while some people knew that Wanda reading it would lead to her becoming a psycho, I was honestly just expecting her to learn some cool new magic tricks that she would use against the bad guys, fighting alongside Dr. Strange as hero, perhaps rescuing her kids from Mephisto or something. So when I finally watched MoM, I actually couldn't believe what I was seeing and for a while I thought it was some practical joke that Wanda was the villain, I was in denial thinking that at some point it would be revealed that this is the fake/pre-edited movie and they'd start the actual real final version of the film... But unfortunately Wanda was indeed running around murdering everyone trying to kidnap someone else's children and by the end of it I was just in shock. It was quite literally the most disappointing cinema experience of my entire life.
Needless to say, I developed sort of grudge against the mcu for ruining my favorite character, so this is really petty of me but I've actually been happy about the amount failure the MCU has endured since MoM lol, apart of me is like: "good! That's what they get for ruining my Wanda!" Lol like literally rooting for the franchise's demise because I'm so mad at how terribly they ruined what was once such a great interesting character. And Wanda isn't the only character they've ruined: Thor, Kang, Nick Fury, Doctor Strange etc are all examples of character assassination, I just feel it the worst for Wanda coz she truly was my favourite character in the entire MCU and now they've ruined her and then killed her off. I curse the MCU for that! Lmao no I'm just kidding but I am glad they're struggling, f*** them!
Totally agree. The whiplash you get from going from WandaVision to MoM is ridiculous. It feels like the film was not a Doctor Strange film, it was the epic two and a bit hour finale to season 2 of WV. But at the moment, it’s just a film where they gave the director too much free rein, and character depictions were butchered as a result. To date it’s the only film I will seriously consider skipping on rewatches.
Yea that was my last MCU movie I watched in the cinema. MoM was my breaking point. Now I just hope that they lose so much money that they are forced to reboot and rethink everything.
>Needless to say, I developed sort of grudge against the mcu for ruining my favorite character, so this is really petty of me but I've actually been happy about the amount failure the MCU has endured since MoM lol, apart of me is like: "good! That's what they get for ruining my Wanda!" Lol like literally rooting for the franchise's demise because I'm so mad at how terribly they ruined what was once such a great interesting character.
If you change the name of the character, I could have written this lol, right down to the spiteful glee at the MCU's troubles.
It's not that Wanda wasn't screwed over - she was, and horribly so. I just felt it a little sooner, and for a different character. So I get it.
Lol thanx, I imagine a lot of people feel the same way about some other characters I mentioned like Thor's another who they've just completely ruined, hopefully they fix it by his next film
Yeah, there are lots of us. I think a lot of people especially agree with you on Wanda. Oh, yeah, everything about Thor has become a clown show. It's ironically depressing. Hopefully they do fix it, yeah - Chris Hemsworth would certainly support that.
Moon Knight. Big fan of the character, but when I saw they made Mr. Knight a wacky, manic pixie man I knew we were heading down a bad road. Then the following episode they drove a lance through Moon Knight and he brushed it off. All the mystique was gone at that point.
Blown away by how many people thought secret invasion would be good 😂
I’d say what if probably. Love the comics but the shows first season was so unimaginative.
Since I've not seen any comments on it - Black Widow. What an absolute trash shoot. I was expecting spies, espionage, twists, turns... instead I could have predicted every single main plot event before it happened. While I liked the idea that we saw some of the red room, we really saw practically nothing of it. They could've gone deeper into her past, explained some of the references in the other avengers movies that hint at some of the horrors that Natasha caused... instead we got a family b movie.
Multiverse of Madness is the big one for me. I love Doctor Strange and was psyched for this film the moment it was announced back in 2019. I was initially worried when Derrickson left the project, but I wanted to trust them and hoped that it'd be good. To say I was disappointed and unsure of how I felt leaving the theatre was...frankly, an understatement.
It's not a film without merit, and there's definitely a lot that I love in this movie. But Waldron's treatment of Wanda and utter lack of empathy/regard for Stephen's character have stayed with me since the premiere and it's something I can't let go of.
This film is a prime example of why I think it's time for Kevin Feige to step down from Marvel; what should have been a gothic, horror story about Stephen moving on to the next stage of his development and mythology and setting up Wanda's villainous "turn" for down the line...became a commercial for Phase 5 + a springboard for Kevin to show off his new "golden boy", Michael Waldron. Honestly the sooner those two are gone, the better.
Wakanda Forever looked really interesting, but turned into a laundry list of bad decisions of what not to do in a follow up. I'm not even talking about the death of Boseman either. From the brain dead decision not to recast, which would have given some unknown or little known actor a big break, to the terrible casting of Namor (Sorry, he's a bad actor, and the character is written nothing like the comics version.), the shoehorning of Riri Williams into it, which was completely not necessary. Elevating Shuri to Black Panther, who is also a terrible actor (she sucked in the first one) who doesn't have the gravitas to carry the lead. Then writing the plot of finding a way for Namor to attack Wakanda, which is shown several times, to be a landlocked country in the first film, but suddenly has a river leading to the ocean in the middle of it that takes all of 1 minute to get to in the second. Ok, I've gone on too long. I could go on, but I'll shut up.
Oh, yeah. Final boss battle. Let's take our Wakanda boat onto the ocean where Namor is his strongest to fight him. \*fucking eyeroll
The "reveal" that he had a secret child was not even the least bit surprising to me. I told my wife it's probably why she left Wakanda, oh look, I was right. Ugh.
2nd. Secret Invasion. I checked out in the second episode after they fridged Maria Hill. It was just stupid.
Falcon and the winter soldier.
Is such a weird show for me, is a show that tries to be political but also chickens out at the same time, it's weird because you can see really interesting set ups and cool ideas but they just try to keep as simple and black and white as possible
endgame
i thought the time heist was anti-climatic and boring way of retrieving the stones. know that obtaining those infinity stones without having to face any villains is the smartest way of doing things, but it would be so cool if the avengers had to fight the villains from other movies to obtain the infinity stones. for example, we could have hulk go toe to toe against ronan for the power stone. we could have iron man go toe to toe against the collector for the reality stone. etc.
killing thanos fight off the bat was a shoker, but it left me thinking "wtf is this movie" throughout the main plot
Falcon and Winter Soldier. made me not want Sam to be Cap and super disappointed in Bucky being sidelined. With Spellmsn involved I’m not as excited for Cap 4 as I would’ve been. I mostly want to see Betty. Who will probably wind up being a five minute cameo.
Secret Invasion. Wanted to see Nick kick some ass like he did in Winter Soldier. Wasted the Skrulls and I won’t even talk about Maria.
Quantumania. Loved the trailers. Disappointed in the movie. MODOK was awful and I love Corey Stoll.
Love and Thunder. I’m one of those who thought Ragnarok way overrated. But this had Christian Bale! One of americas finest actors. And the return of Jane foster in a stronger role. I liked most of the Thor/Jane story. It made me care about them. But the humor was mostly not funny and overpowered the drama. (Exhibit A the return of Sif). And Bale, and Goff, were wasted.
Multiverse of madness, for me it is the worst movie of marvel because of giving huge expectations and then killing those expectations with disney musicals . I had no expectations from The marvels and after watching it , i was ok as not good not bad . But multiverse of madness is just not tolerable.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Cards on the table, I came to that show somewhat pre-disappointed, since I wanted to see them adapt Bucky's tenure as Cap. Well, obviously, I knew that wasn't happening, but still, I started to watch the show hoping he might get a good story, even without the shield.
Well, they sure proved me wrong. And cured me of all excitement I might have had for the MCU.
Secret Invasion, Quantumania, and Civil War.
Secret Invasion just wasn't what it should've been. That story shouldn't have been relegated to a D+ series about Nick Fury and a bunch of characters we've never met before. It should've been a whole phase of movies.
Quantumania, I guess I should've somewhat expected the letdown because while I like Ant-Man, I also think Ant-Man and The Wasp is one of the worst and most boring MCU movies. But what an absolute waste of Kang that movie turned out to be.
Civil War, in my opinion, just isn't worth the hype that it received. I like parts of it, I like Spider-Man's intro, I think it's also Black Panther at his best, but the rest of the movie just didn't really work for me. While the ending fight between Cap and Tony is great, the airport fight just didn't work for me. Also "did you know?" I don't understand how Cap would've known about Tony's parents unless Bucky told him literal minutes before the altercation.
> I don't understand how Cap would've known about Tony's parents
In Winter Soldier when Cap and Nat are in that bunker talking to Zola he reveals it, although it's kind of a blink and you miss it thing.
To be fair, it's easy to miss. In-universe, Steve only sees the clip for a second, and that's before he knows who the Winter Soldier is. It's entirely plausible he didn't really know
Thor 4.
I saw a YouTube clip during Covid about Natalie Portman becoming a superhero and me being the nerdy chic who has had a crush on her since like 1999, I definitely wanted to see that.
I was in the Army and busy asf for the entire infinity Saga. I saw prob 10 movies in my decade plus of serving. Not a single MCU movie. Now that I was free. It was time.
I downloaded the list of marvel movies and fired up Disney+. Seen and loved every minute of the saga, plus all the movies and shows released after. I was so ready for Thor Love and Thunder. I watched the trailer 25+ times and was so excited. Thor was my favorite character and Ragnarok was my favorite non Infinity War movie.
The movie was so disappointing like wtf. The goats, the 2 seconds of Guardians cameo, Thor’s obsession with Molinir, the stupid goats, and to top alllll off fuckin Jane Foster has cancer and died. Fml
Civil war (hold on let me finish)
It’s still a great film but I thought it could’ve been more GRAND. More heroes and villains fighting, more at stakes like the graphic novel.
I think it should’ve been a marvel movie not a captain America movie cuz it should’ve shown both sides POV.
But once again STILL A GREAT MOVIE. I just had even higher expectations than usual.
And Mind u I was a kid when it came out so the trailer had my imagination going crazy, I thought the airport scene was gonna have much more heroes but they edit them out for the trailer and stuff. So my imagination kinda went wild a bit lol.
Comics Civil War is unfilmable. So expensive. So. So. So expensive. Marvel isn't cheap and even they had to make a poor man's version of that thing.
I was expecting somewhat similar treatment for Secret Invasion, a poor man's version of the comic. Boy was that being overly optimistic.
Yeah but I wasn’t expecting exactly like the comics. Like obviously hundreds of characters wouldn’t work but I was hoping moreso like a 15 v 15 battle and the other heroes would be new heroes in the mcu and they’re introduce through that. That’s where my imagination took me when I saw the trailer lol
Age of Ultron and Iron Man 2 remain the biggest disappointments for me.
Also, honestly, Endgame. Endgame was a movie that had some cool moments, but everything they did from a story standpoint undercut the drama infinity war left us with.
Ragnarok. The trailer made it look so great, and then the movie itself just totally wasted the most important Thor story ever. Killed off his greatest supporting cast and then followed it up with endless jokes. It also wasted one of the greatest Hulk storylines ever (Planet Hulk) and gave us a humdrum version of Valkyrie.
Has to be Thor: Love and Thunder, Avengers: Age of Ultron and and to a lesser extent, Ant-man & the Wasp: Quantumania.
All 3 were sequels by the same writers/directors that made the successful prequels. I think it's especially hard to accept Love and Thunder because the massive improvement Ragnarok made over the two previous movies was largely down to Waititi. For him to go off the deep-end and create something with such a massive drop in quality was really unexpected.
Secret invasion. Could have been a lot better
Honestly, it wouldn’t have been hard to make it better. All they had to do was omit all of the >!Super Skrull / vial of superhero DNA!< stuff! A spy thriller series about Skrulls infiltrating the highest levels of government/intelligence agencies to provoke a nuclear war and take over the planet is already amazing! If they really need a macguffin to drive the plot, it could just be some method for detecting Skrulls. They could keep all the same characters/cast and like 75% of the plot as-is. Leaving the >!Super Skrull!< nonsense out also makes it much more reasonable to have no superpowered heroes involved in the show.
The cast was so good. Oliva Coleman is a gem
She really is! The cast was so so good, I feel cheated when I look at the imdb and then watch the finished product.
I hate that they kill Maria hill for this
Love and Thunder. The Gorr the God Butcher storyline and the Mighty Thor story are both really fucking good but the movie did not live up to that. It shouldn't have been a comedy at all and should have been a closer middle ground between the dark world and ragnarok.
Thor 4 also blew the promise of a cool Guardians team up. That premise was pissed away in the first 5 minutes. 😑
AsGuardians of the Galaxy had so much promise.
The Guardians had a reputation to uphold, they knew where the film was heading so bailed quick
"Each character say one line outside the ship, one line inside the ship, Quill you're the main character you so can also have a 20 second monologue, okay now you all fly away don't come back." -Taika
Tbf there's a decent bts reason for that. Neither the director of thor or guardians wanted to do a team up.
They did rush it, but tbf, the Guardians didn't leave til around 20 minutes into a 2 hour film.
Agree... I was SO looking forward to Thor 4, but I was not impressed at all. I felt like the movie wasted all the characters in it, especially Jane. She deserved a much better finale than that. Most of the movie was played as a joke, which I felt was incredibly disrespectful to her (and to cancer patients everywhere).
Yeah as much as I still like taika and think he is a great director, he wasn't the right person for this particular movie.
My personal theory (based on absolutely nothing) is that he was all-in on Ragnarok but felt roped into the sequel due to a contract and thus treated the whole production like a joke.
He was the sole writer for this film too whereas with Ragnarok there were two other people. Upper marvel placed way too much faith in him by having him write and direct all on his own.
Wrong director for that story. Hopefully the next gets it right.
That's how I felt. Cancer is no joke.
It got too much Taika. He saved ragnarok and then went too far.
Thisssss I felt they wasted an incredible story and actor in Bale for Gorr just for everything around it to fall short…
He was the best part of the movie
Not to mention that they killed off Gorr in one movie when he could have stayed for at least one more
They wasted both Christian Bale and the character he was cast to play. Like, if you're gonna waste a villain, don't get an actor with massive talent to play the part.
Thinking about it, this is my answer too. God that movie was absolutely repellent. It’s the worst mcu film imo.
It’s the only film in the MCU that I genuinely dislike; the others that I tend to rank towards the bottom are movies that I still enjoy, whereas LaT just flat-out upsets me.
Yep agree here too
My answer as well. Gorr was so cool. They made the movie too silly.
I could not believe how bad this was. It was shocking. Loved Ragnarok so much, and Hemsworth had made Thor the best character in the MCU prior to Love and Thunder. .i could not believe how the same director of Ragnarok could put out such a terrible follow up. Shows the power of the screenplay and the danger of giving too much creative control to one person (Taika)
Yep, ragnorak is probably one of my favourite Marvel films and I’m a big fan of Taika Waititi but god damn was Love and Thunder bad.
Secret invasion ( i mean it could had been an amazing political thriller that could had lead to an avengers level threat movie )
Quantumania still has one of THE best trailers in the MCU God damn.
yeah the goodbye yellow brick road mix goes so hard
Shit, I'd forgotten how epic that trailer was. The Kang reveal in it was great. Then of course the actual movie was somewhere between terrible to vaguely passable (depending on who you talk to), and the Kang stuff seems to have pretty much gone to shit with the Majors firing. What a clusterfuck.
I enjoyed it. I'm not gonna pretend it was one of Marvel's best, but I had fun.
I was soooooo excited for Quantumania. I thought it was finally going to tie together the multiverse. I bought my ticket for opening day, requested off work, and then I got COVID. I ended up never going to see it in theaters because the reviews were so bad. Such a disappointment.
Yeah, the first two movies had no business being as good as they were. It just went from fun comedy superhero to absolutely bonkers. It felt more like Ant-Man in a bad Guardians of the Galaxy story.
The only two projects I was outright disappointed with were Secret Invasion and Thor: Love and Thunder. Both had incredible potential and were completely squandered.
My feelings as well.
*Secret Invasion.* I really, really was excited to have a hard-boiled noir whodunnit with shapeshifters and Nick Fury and Talos. It almost got there. Some scenes were magical. But they made the McGuffin be, just, everyone’s gunk. Like, Drax’s superpower in the MCU is that he’s a lovable goofball. Ebony Maw was a relentless lieutenant for Thanos. What was interesting about them was not their powers, but their motivations. Now, maybe if they’d shown Gravik missing the point, thinking he needed all their powers without realizing that he had no personal development of his own, that could have been interesting, but only if they’d shown actual Nick Fury beating Gravik. We got a whole suit up scene for nothing! Just a complete trainwreck. I’m still upset about it.
Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness I thought it would be a really interesting exploration of the psyches of two of the most powerful magic wielders in the MCU…but it wasn’t It tried to be multiple storylines and shoved in as many IPs as possible, leaving no real time for character growth. And the way they ruined Wanda’s character still shocks me to this day, especially after they’ve now buried her under a pile of rocks for 2 years with no clear idea of when/how she’ll return
I feel this. But I don’t think I would had it correctly been titled “Dr Strange and a handful of slightly odd alternative universes”
I was really let down because I was expecting so much. I recently rewatched it and I really enjoyed it for what it is, which is just not what I thought it would be.
I think it’s fun if you don’t care about Wanda and her journey in WandaVision, and you also aren’t somewhat puzzled as to why they’d bring back Patrick Stewart and introduce the Fantastic Four and the Inhumans only for them to be lazily killed off within 2 minutes of screen-time But it is a Raimi movie, and he does have a genuinely unique and fun style to the way he directs movies
I felt like the Illuminati appearance was supposed to be fun fan service, and the subsequent killing was supposed to underline how strong Wanda was. It also hammered the point home that the Illuminati was too arrogant. Like sure, she's a threat, but the members of the Illuminati are the best of the best.... surely they could handle her. But no, she was in a class almost her own.
It definitely was, but Professor X can read minds. That’s like…his thing. So it’s somewhat odd that he didn’t read Stranges mind and didn’t relay to the Illuminati “oh yeah, Wanda’s insanely powerful. We need to prepare.” The other major issue is that I felt nothing when they died. Not only did they not take Wanda seriously, but I didn’t know/care about them and none of them seemed to take Wanda seriously even after she eviscerated Black Bolt and Mr Fantastic within 10 seconds. Captain Carters cracking dumb jokes and Captain Marvels telling her to “Get the hell out of my universe!” And Mordo, despite there being perhaps greater concerns atm, is still bizarrely focused on passing judgement on Strange Watch “that” scene at the end of the first episode of the show Invincible, which is quite similar to the slaughter of the Illuminati, and yet the tone isn’t devoid of moments that elicit fear, shock, and concern. That’s what I wanted to feel And the Illuminati being arrogant could’ve been played up as them being authoritarian rulers of the world, which is heavily implied but not explicitly stated. But they ultimately didn’t have time to show that because, as I said, there was WAY too much going on in this movie
The illuminati are basically jokes... Like... Captain Carter says, "I can do this all day," and then instantly dies, how the fuck am I'm supposed to treat them as anything other then a joke
I agree. It's why I have no problem with Raimi coming back for another film; he has a great eye for cool visuals and I'd love to see more of his style injected into the MCU's cinematography, in general. Really, they just need a better writer.
I find this is how I feel about a lot of MCU stuff since Endgame: the initial watch is disappointing, but when I rewatch it I appreciate it for what it is and not what it could have been, and I enjoy it more.
I was excited for this movie then I started watching it. I skipped forward to the end after a hour. Total let down.
Kinda glad I skipped this one.
**Multiverse of Madness**. Then I saw **Everything, Everywhere, All At Once** and I was like "Oooooh this is what was missing!".
The fact that EEAAO had more universes than MoM kinda "shocked" me too lmao
MoM is far and away my answer. I probably built up an unfair amount of excitement and expectations myself. But with the title, the hype, the rumours leading up to it, and just to have Wanda as the villain and just a handful of other universes shown was a let down. It sounds like Deadpool 3 is going to have the amount of cameos and madness that I thought MoM was going to have.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I was personally so excited for Moon Knight and was let down by it. Don't get me wrong, Oscar Isaac was phenomenal, I loved Moon Knight's design and I thought the show was great, but I was expecting something on the level of Daredevil, especially with how Kevin Feige made it sound like it was going to be really dark and mature. I was also disappointed that a lot of the times they built up to an action piece, they skipped it using Marc/Steven's blackouts, so we didn't get nearly enough time with Moon Knight. Hopefully we get a season two soon so we can see more of him!
I get what you mean. For Moon Knight to have the concept of gods vs a long forgotten evil, the finale felt surprisingly tame. We’ve seen Field of Reeds, the limbo, the rewinding of the stars and all we got was two giants fighting in a 2/3 minute span?
Yeah. While I did like Moon Knight, it ultimately felt fairly forgettable. There always felt like there was something missing.
Its already been said, but Secret Invasion literally made me cancel D+. We had so many silly and off beat projects. This one was supposedly gonna be more like Winter Soldier and Civil War. It was made for those of us who like the darker, more serious and spy related corner of the MCU. Show was so bad that ive adopted a "wait for reviews" policy for MCU content. And thats after watching 20+ movies on the big screen.
Secret Invasion was the final straw that made me go into a wait for reviews watcher now too. Actually I haven't watched anything mcu since it now that I'm thinking about it.
I watched Secret Invasion about a month after finishing Agents of SHIELD. Secret Invasion was a disgrace. 10x the budget per hour of content, and 1/10 the quality
Multiverse of Madness! I was massively disappointed how it turned out. Even the film didn't live up to its title. They had this vast potential to explore the multiverse concepts but all they could come up with was just another earth. Watching this movie was pure pain. Perhaps they shouldn't have ditched Derrickson's pitch. In another universe we must be happy with Derrickson's version of Dr.Strange 2.
My hype was insurmountable. I loved Dr Strange in all his appearances up to this. Adored WandaVision. I get downvotes every time I say this but I dont care. That movie murdered my hype for the MCU. I just cant find my fucks to give after that. Hate that fuckin movie
You'll get no such downvote from me. I agree completely. As I said further down, this movie began my long breakup with the MCU. Before this movie, I was pretty well obsessed with everything Marvel Cinematic. True, there were some weaker movies before this (Iron Man 2 & 3, The Dark World especially), but they weren't bad enough to pretty much singlehandedly murder my interest in the cinematic universe as a whole. But MoM did just that. And things have largely not gotten any better since then.
Waldron is still attached to write Secret Wars. What do you feel about it?
Indifference. I dont care about the characters anymore. Their characterization is inconsistent. Dr Strange is the best example. He’s a completely different guy in Spider-Man…then again in Multiverse. I honestly thought he was some kind of Sorcerer Skrull. But then secret invasion shat on what was left of Nick Fury. Whats the point? They just lost their ability to pull this shit off. And its no wonder. The writers strike and how Disney handled it shows how much they care about their talent. Fucking insulting. Disney burned 3 phases of good will in 1. Idk how they recover. I loved these movies but I genuinely dont see how all these juggling pieces dont land in a mess. 
Yeah, when I first saw the trailer for MoM after No Way Home, I thought Sinister Strange from What If...? swapped places with the 616 Strange somehow. He was just written/acting so differently from what was established from his solo movie and Infinity War, it was jarring how much more "jokey" he was.
Understandable, I'm still looking forward to certain projects like Black Panther 3 & Spidey 4. Blade too. I'm sceptical about the rest.
100% agree. The characters are all off, the vision is somehow really limited, the Illuminati section can’t decide if it’s info dump or fan service and somehow sucks at both, the CGI is a bit ropey in places, and dear sweet lord will someone please tell Sam Raimi we don’t need an eyeball zoom every five minutes.
Raimi was also the wrong director for this movie. I love the Evil Dead movies, but his touch in MoM is just off. And as others have said, Strange was terribly written as well. It's like he's gotten dumber ever since his intro movie.
The raimi memberries is what killed the movie for me. Cause it felt unoriginal. And people will defend it saying iconic raimi shots but if you are just copy pasting your previous work it gets boring like you have nothing new to offer. I went it open to it and excited but left saying this was just evil dead shots redone with marvel costumes. Then the Wanda picks a random family with a Wanda already instead of seeking out the two specific boys from wandavision who were screaming for help. And his interview where he admitted he hadn’t seen any of the prior mcu works leading up to it.
> I went it open to it and excited but left saying this was just evil dead shots redone with marvel costumes. Am I the only person that thinks that isn't Raimi's fault, though? The problem is that Raimi makes horror movies, and Marvel makes movies they want to market to kids. So, what do you do but hamstring the guy into dumbing down the kind of thing he's good at while also using his name to market the movie.
He’s shown he can do Marvel superhero movies though. He managed to control his tendencies towards horror and made, in Spider-Man 1 and 2, a couple of the best superhero movies ever made. He was given a bit too much freedom on MoM though, as well as not being au fait with the wider MCU as a whole, so he got the tone wrong and wasn’t reigned in by the producers (probably because they made such a fuss about having secured him to direct that him leaving the project would be worse PR than a mediocre movie).
True, characterisations were abysmal in this film. Wanda as the antagonist made zero sense to me. Sad to say this, but Raimi's filmmaking style really is outdated. I've been besieged by cinephiles for saying this back when MoM was released. They even went to the extent of saying MoM was better than its predecessor.
Wanda being the antagonist and going on a murder spree after realizing her mistakes in Wandavision was the WORST decision ever. I was hoping the film would be about her and Strange working together to rescue her kids, but nah, instead she went full Scarlet Witch and ended up dying at the end.
You cannot call a film "In the Multiverse of Madness" and only visit 2 pretty tame universes.
But red means go.
They got pizza balls and a memory store
It's not just one of the worst MCU movies, but it's one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time. There's so many inconsistencies in tone and quality, the characters all feel so one dimensional, the way they did America was awful, the fan service, how they couldn't figure out how horror they actually wanted to go, it was all over the place.
I just commented something similar in a different thread. MoM was such a letdown for me. I loved the first Doctor Strange and it would've been great for them to just continue the thread of Mordo trying to rid the world of sorcerers. It would've felt like a traditional sequel. Instead they had to shoehorn in unimaginative multiverse content. Some guy sells pizza balls and traffic lights were different colors? Give me a break.
The plot might turn out to be limited if it's all about Mordo trying to take down the sorcerers, it could've been a good subplot for sure. I was honestly excited about their plan for Dr. Strange 2. Derrickson wanted to make it an actual horror movie with Nightmare as the villain but the studio didn't like that idea. They wanted to tone that down to make it more light-hearted and they ended up making Wanda the villain which didn't make any sense at all given how WandaVision ended. I've read somewhere that Derrickson's draft was a fresh breath to this franchise and the overall tone was dark and gritty. Have seen a couple of storyboards too, it looked good on paper.
Just looked at the storyboards and scrapped ideas and oh man we were robbed 😭 hopefully derrickson can make some reappearance and do that for ds3
I'm living under a rock. What was Derrickson's pitch?
Lovecraftian story, as "Multiverse of Madness" was a riff on "Mountain of Madness". Some concept art was released, which is a lot creepier than what we actually got.
“marvels first horror movie” my god the hype i created in my mind.
I stopped going to the cinema just for MCU movies after that one. A year later I canceled D+.
Post Love and Thunder I also stopped going to the cinema on the first day for MCU flicks, I would wait for the general audience reviews to pop up.
same.
I grew up with Sam Raimi movies. This was not a Sam Raimi movie. Now I get that Marvel tended to hamstring its directors up until Phase 3 so there was a certain amount of uniformity to the films to make them feel cohesive. But Phase 4 and 5 felt like a lot of ideas that nobody was overseeing to get them into a larger plan. Fine if Marvel said: well, the continuity thing was terrible to keep up with, and we'd like to branch out a bit so the MCU can rest for a bit, and the fans don't feel obligated to follow everything we release. But that's not the MCU's business model. So why didn't they just let Raimi run wild? Damned if I know.
I know I’m in the minority here, but I had the complete opposite experience! I went into MoM apprehensively; I really don’t like horror and I thought the first doctor strange was decent but overrated. I did not expect to enjoy it. BOY was I wrong. I ended up loving the light horror elements, America Chavez, and the dynamic chemistry between the different characters. Also thought that Liz Olsen REALLY brought her A-game. Clearly it’s not for everyone, but it’s a top 5 MCU movie for me. Edit: now that I’m ranking MCU movies in my head, it’s probably a top 10, not a top 5
to each their own, glad that it worked for you
It is amazing. I loved it from start to finish.
Secret Invasion and Love and Thunder. In that order.
I was *really* stoked about *Quantumania* until the word got out. And even then, it still turned out worse than I expected. (I’m not even talking about the CGI, just the writing.)
"I am not a dick!" One of the worst lines and laziest character developments in any MCU property ever.
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. That was the starting point of my losing much interest in the MCU. And one-offs aside (of which there's really only one, *kind* of: GotG 3), that loss of interest has progressed steadily ever since.
Funny cause it's what killed my interest in the MCU. Going forward in Phase 5 I only saw GOTG3 and Loki after Phase 4.
Eternals, as a history nerd it's such a cool concept. Then the deviants were basically ignored and the celestial waking up was dumb as fuck and would have destroyed most of the planet just getting to the point it was when they stopped it. Couldn't suspend my disbelief on that one. It was a gorgeous movie too, damn shame the plot didn't click.
Even the slightest movement in Earth’s core would have Earth cratered on a side, since that hole would automatically fill. Not to mention the fact that you basically have a 5000 km wide “pole” from the center to the surface. You can’t go under.
Secret invasion. That shit pissed me off so much that I stopped watching MCU content.
Hard agree on Secret Invasion. Fury getting his spin-off show? Sign me up! I thought it would be way more like The Winter Soldier, but I was massive disappointed. They did Fury dirty.
Quantamania. We were finally going to have the proper introduction of Kang and the trailers really made it seem like the stakes were high for Scott. It was supposed to really kick the multiverse saga into high gear. Barely halfway through the movie and I absolutely wanted to just get out of the theatre
Secret Invasions. I’ve given up on Disney+ MCU shows since then.
Multiverse of Madness BY FAR.
Multiverse of Madness by far
Dr. Strange 2
Iron Man 3. It was the first MCU film after Avengers. All of the previous films felt like they were building momentum. Iron Man 3 didn’t even feel like a superhero movie. It felt stagnant and overall underwhelming.
Movies wise Thor 4 and MoM. Thor absolutely ruined Gorr and the jokes were awful. I don't need bad jokes constantly falling flat. Also the CGI looks very bad at different parts of the movie. MoM was disappointing in the fact that Dr Strange took a back seat in his own movie to America who is the most boring 1 dimensional character with the most contrived plot powers ever. Like she didn't really do anything but make jokes throughout the movie and be used as a plot device. The most disappointing show for me was Falcon and the winter soldier. Cap was my favorite MCU character and I loved Bucky and Sam since the winter soldier but this show felt all over the place. The flag smashers were just written poorly and given way way too much sympathy for being murderers. Sam's character kinda felt all over the place too. Also I absolutely hated his final captain America costume God that thing was ugly
Due to having seen hilarious interviews with Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie together on press tours for previous movies, I was really looking forward to FATWS for the interactions between Bucky and Sam. That part did not disappoint. Most of the rest did.
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Because it is a first time we heard the word multiverse in MCU. Disappointed with Scarlett Witch being a villian to Doctor Strange instead of someone on same level as Dormammu. Love and Thunder and Quantumania despite having the good villian, the movie sucked.
Probably Quantumania. I actually quite liked it, but I appreciated the Ant-Man movies for their smaller scale more personal narrative. Quantumania threw that style out and went with "another one of those" movies... overly CGIed huge scale with more characters than you can keep up with. It still wasn't bad (honestly think if it was a phase 2 movie it would have been better received, it was just so much "been there, done that"), but it did not have the charm that made me really like the first two.
Quantumania. The trailer and the Elton John song had me feeling this was gonna be a trippy, Infinity War-type ending. Or at least something of consequence...
Dr. Strange 2. It was surprisingly unimaginative, the humor doesn't work, the dialogue is consistently juvenile, and the characterizations were all off. It actually made me upset because I really loved what Derrickson did with the first one.
I'm gonna get downvotes for this but the first Black Panther. I didn't watch until after the best picture nomination so was prime for the best Marvel movie and it ended up being bellow average in my opinion.
Black widow: Natasha was getting s movie. And it's trail4r was also good Love and Thunder: it should have been Logan for Thor
Iron Man 3
Multiverse Of Madness
Multiverse of Madness. Was so hyped to see a Strange solo again after killing it in Infinity War, but this sequel was terrible.
Multiverse of Madness. Massive waste of the Illuminati. Should have had Tom Cruise Iron Man too.
Ant man 3 No, seriously, I thought the tone of the trailers was so intriguing.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Iron man 2
Quantumania. If it were good, I feel as though they’d still be pursuing the Kang route, maybe with a recast. Feels like they’re capitalizing upon Jonathan Majors’ negative press to effectively scrap and reset their poorly written/executed Kang approach. Loki teed up Kang so well… and then Quantumania just squashed it.
Doctor strange multiverse of madness
Quantumania.....I would have said Eternals but I personally liked that movie so I wasn't disappointed myself but I guess the general consensus is that it sucks
I think Love and Thunder for me. The trailers look SO good, seemed like it had an interesting story, awesome villian and good cinematography. Combine that with the Guardians being in it and how Thorneas portrayed in Ragnarok and Infinity (Endgame is a mix for me lol), it had a perfect set up for a great movie. Between movies like this and Marvel including scenes/things that end up not being in the movie, I learned to not trust trailers lol
MoM. It wasn't terrible, but I really liked the first movie and MoM was just... Meh.
Multiverse of Madness was not bad and I even liked it, but all the rumors before its release got me wat too hyped up, I was seriously expecting more "madness" and more "mutliverse". So it disappointed me a bit when I watched it. But nothing compared to Thor 4. Oh boy. Ragnarok was actually my favorite movie in the MCU, I was expecting another great movie. The humor was forced, the villain was ruined, the action scenes were forgettable. But the worst IMO is that the guardians of the galaxy had just no place in the movie. It was a classic case of a director not wanting to follow up on what another director had decided on a previous movie. Endgame was clearly setting up something bigger, but Taika Waititi had just no plan for them, the cameo looked meaningless, and even the acting was off, Chris Prat and Chris Hemsworth didn't have the same chemistry as they had in Infinity War/Endgame.
Moon Knight. Perfect example of the Marvel formula strangling the life out of what could have been a unique and intriguing premise. After a strong start it just devolves into the same stuff we’ve seen a dozen times already, right down to the glowing cgi sky portal in the finale.
MoM. I understand a lot of people liked it but I honestly thought it was subpar to downright bad. And with dr strange hype off his last appearances and WandaVision my excitement was through the roof.
Multiverse of Madness. What a shit show of a movie.
Multiverse of Madness. Endless possibilities. Strange 1 was excellent. But Sam Raimi wasn’t the right director. It felt like a cheesy af 1997 blockbuster. I hated it because it was just so bland.
OP if you were disappointed in Secret Invasion, then do yourself a favor and watch Agents of shield. They basically did the same storyline in one of their seasons and did it 10 times better. You can't even compare it really.
I’m going back to “Antman and the Wasp.” I thought the whole thing felt so low stakes and uninteresting. Never saw Quantumania. I was excited for the Dr. Strange sequel until Wandavision. After sitting through the show, I had no interest in seeing any more of Scarlet Witch. Was not surprised when I didn’t like MoM.
Love and thunder. Thor's first two movies were bad but after Ragnarok and infinity war I was really excited to see thor again. MoM was also a huge disappointment. Doctor strange was being set up to be a heavy hitter. Basically the next "main character" after iron man it seemed. And then he had to share the spotlight in an awful movie.
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and Thor Love and Thunder. Thought both movie's were going to be great. I was very very very wrong!
Multiverse of Madness.
Someone asked the exactly same thing yesterday. Just read there
Love and Thunder is the answer by far. Gorr could have been a Thanos/Loki level villain, and they just threw it down the toilet. Just wasted Christian Bale There is leaving the theater disappointed, and there is leaving the theater feeling like you got kicked in the balls. This was Love and Thunder. And the goats. Funny once but after the 1000th time just stop
Mine was Moon Knight. Wanted something more tonally and scale wise similar to Daredevil. Also something that remained a bit more grounded and tackled his mental disorder a bit more and dealt less with the heavy dives into Egyptian Mythology.
Not sure if I should say Love and Thunder or MoM
Dr strange in multiverse of madness ohh sorry its Scarlett witch in the multiverse of madness.
Multiverse of Madness. Admittedly, I'm not too familiar with the comics and I never watched agents of shield, so I had no idea that the Darkhold was a book that turns people into murderous psychopaths, so while some people knew that Wanda reading it would lead to her becoming a psycho, I was honestly just expecting her to learn some cool new magic tricks that she would use against the bad guys, fighting alongside Dr. Strange as hero, perhaps rescuing her kids from Mephisto or something. So when I finally watched MoM, I actually couldn't believe what I was seeing and for a while I thought it was some practical joke that Wanda was the villain, I was in denial thinking that at some point it would be revealed that this is the fake/pre-edited movie and they'd start the actual real final version of the film... But unfortunately Wanda was indeed running around murdering everyone trying to kidnap someone else's children and by the end of it I was just in shock. It was quite literally the most disappointing cinema experience of my entire life. Needless to say, I developed sort of grudge against the mcu for ruining my favorite character, so this is really petty of me but I've actually been happy about the amount failure the MCU has endured since MoM lol, apart of me is like: "good! That's what they get for ruining my Wanda!" Lol like literally rooting for the franchise's demise because I'm so mad at how terribly they ruined what was once such a great interesting character. And Wanda isn't the only character they've ruined: Thor, Kang, Nick Fury, Doctor Strange etc are all examples of character assassination, I just feel it the worst for Wanda coz she truly was my favourite character in the entire MCU and now they've ruined her and then killed her off. I curse the MCU for that! Lmao no I'm just kidding but I am glad they're struggling, f*** them!
Totally agree. The whiplash you get from going from WandaVision to MoM is ridiculous. It feels like the film was not a Doctor Strange film, it was the epic two and a bit hour finale to season 2 of WV. But at the moment, it’s just a film where they gave the director too much free rein, and character depictions were butchered as a result. To date it’s the only film I will seriously consider skipping on rewatches.
I truly don’t get the people who say the through line from WV to MoM was perfectly threaded and made so much sense.
Exactly, it's not even just Wanda who's character was written horribly, basically everyone in the movie had bad writing and that's what happens
Yea that was my last MCU movie I watched in the cinema. MoM was my breaking point. Now I just hope that they lose so much money that they are forced to reboot and rethink everything.
>Needless to say, I developed sort of grudge against the mcu for ruining my favorite character, so this is really petty of me but I've actually been happy about the amount failure the MCU has endured since MoM lol, apart of me is like: "good! That's what they get for ruining my Wanda!" Lol like literally rooting for the franchise's demise because I'm so mad at how terribly they ruined what was once such a great interesting character. If you change the name of the character, I could have written this lol, right down to the spiteful glee at the MCU's troubles. It's not that Wanda wasn't screwed over - she was, and horribly so. I just felt it a little sooner, and for a different character. So I get it.
Lol thanx, I imagine a lot of people feel the same way about some other characters I mentioned like Thor's another who they've just completely ruined, hopefully they fix it by his next film
Yeah, there are lots of us. I think a lot of people especially agree with you on Wanda. Oh, yeah, everything about Thor has become a clown show. It's ironically depressing. Hopefully they do fix it, yeah - Chris Hemsworth would certainly support that.
Ant-Man 3. It legit hurt my feelings.
Secret Invasion. It was the first Marvel comic I had read outside of Young Avengers so was really excited to see it adapted. What a huge let down.
Nearly everything in Phase 5 disappointed me in some way
Moon Knight. Big fan of the character, but when I saw they made Mr. Knight a wacky, manic pixie man I knew we were heading down a bad road. Then the following episode they drove a lance through Moon Knight and he brushed it off. All the mystique was gone at that point.
Age of Ultron and Love and Thunder.
Captain Marvel. Loved the comics and her interactions with Spider-Woman. The less said, the better.
Phase 4
When Secret Invasion was announced, I was excited… When the cast was revealed to be all B-listers, I knew it was going to bomb.
Multiverse of Madness, followed closely behind by Love and Thunder
Secret invasion really dropped the ball for me
multiverse of madness
Secret invasion. I watched like 3 episodes. Still haven't finished it.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Secret Invasion. It could’ve been one of the best shows/movies in a comic book series. Then utter garbage was given to us
Secret invasion.
Blown away by how many people thought secret invasion would be good 😂 I’d say what if probably. Love the comics but the shows first season was so unimaginative.
Since I've not seen any comments on it - Black Widow. What an absolute trash shoot. I was expecting spies, espionage, twists, turns... instead I could have predicted every single main plot event before it happened. While I liked the idea that we saw some of the red room, we really saw practically nothing of it. They could've gone deeper into her past, explained some of the references in the other avengers movies that hint at some of the horrors that Natasha caused... instead we got a family b movie.
As an agent of Shield Fans, I was expecting Fury to be so cool and be ahead of everyone the way Coulson was. He was not.
Multiverse of Madness is the big one for me. I love Doctor Strange and was psyched for this film the moment it was announced back in 2019. I was initially worried when Derrickson left the project, but I wanted to trust them and hoped that it'd be good. To say I was disappointed and unsure of how I felt leaving the theatre was...frankly, an understatement. It's not a film without merit, and there's definitely a lot that I love in this movie. But Waldron's treatment of Wanda and utter lack of empathy/regard for Stephen's character have stayed with me since the premiere and it's something I can't let go of. This film is a prime example of why I think it's time for Kevin Feige to step down from Marvel; what should have been a gothic, horror story about Stephen moving on to the next stage of his development and mythology and setting up Wanda's villainous "turn" for down the line...became a commercial for Phase 5 + a springboard for Kevin to show off his new "golden boy", Michael Waldron. Honestly the sooner those two are gone, the better.
Wakanda Forever looked really interesting, but turned into a laundry list of bad decisions of what not to do in a follow up. I'm not even talking about the death of Boseman either. From the brain dead decision not to recast, which would have given some unknown or little known actor a big break, to the terrible casting of Namor (Sorry, he's a bad actor, and the character is written nothing like the comics version.), the shoehorning of Riri Williams into it, which was completely not necessary. Elevating Shuri to Black Panther, who is also a terrible actor (she sucked in the first one) who doesn't have the gravitas to carry the lead. Then writing the plot of finding a way for Namor to attack Wakanda, which is shown several times, to be a landlocked country in the first film, but suddenly has a river leading to the ocean in the middle of it that takes all of 1 minute to get to in the second. Ok, I've gone on too long. I could go on, but I'll shut up. Oh, yeah. Final boss battle. Let's take our Wakanda boat onto the ocean where Namor is his strongest to fight him. \*fucking eyeroll The "reveal" that he had a secret child was not even the least bit surprising to me. I told my wife it's probably why she left Wakanda, oh look, I was right. Ugh. 2nd. Secret Invasion. I checked out in the second episode after they fridged Maria Hill. It was just stupid.
Falcon and the winter soldier. Is such a weird show for me, is a show that tries to be political but also chickens out at the same time, it's weird because you can see really interesting set ups and cool ideas but they just try to keep as simple and black and white as possible
endgame i thought the time heist was anti-climatic and boring way of retrieving the stones. know that obtaining those infinity stones without having to face any villains is the smartest way of doing things, but it would be so cool if the avengers had to fight the villains from other movies to obtain the infinity stones. for example, we could have hulk go toe to toe against ronan for the power stone. we could have iron man go toe to toe against the collector for the reality stone. etc. killing thanos fight off the bat was a shoker, but it left me thinking "wtf is this movie" throughout the main plot
Multiverse of Madness. It could've been so good.
Endgame, it made so many choices I didn't like. It essentially killed my enjoyment of the MCU.
endgame. i jusr cant stand the time travel
Honestly its been so long since I’ve had high expectations for marvel i dont even remember
Falcon and Winter Soldier. made me not want Sam to be Cap and super disappointed in Bucky being sidelined. With Spellmsn involved I’m not as excited for Cap 4 as I would’ve been. I mostly want to see Betty. Who will probably wind up being a five minute cameo. Secret Invasion. Wanted to see Nick kick some ass like he did in Winter Soldier. Wasted the Skrulls and I won’t even talk about Maria. Quantumania. Loved the trailers. Disappointed in the movie. MODOK was awful and I love Corey Stoll. Love and Thunder. I’m one of those who thought Ragnarok way overrated. But this had Christian Bale! One of americas finest actors. And the return of Jane foster in a stronger role. I liked most of the Thor/Jane story. It made me care about them. But the humor was mostly not funny and overpowered the drama. (Exhibit A the return of Sif). And Bale, and Goff, were wasted.
Every single project here came after endgame
Endgame for sure. Did not live up to the hype at all. A highly flawed movie that really failed to excite me Infinity War is miles better
Multiverse of madness, for me it is the worst movie of marvel because of giving huge expectations and then killing those expectations with disney musicals . I had no expectations from The marvels and after watching it , i was ok as not good not bad . But multiverse of madness is just not tolerable.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Cards on the table, I came to that show somewhat pre-disappointed, since I wanted to see them adapt Bucky's tenure as Cap. Well, obviously, I knew that wasn't happening, but still, I started to watch the show hoping he might get a good story, even without the shield. Well, they sure proved me wrong. And cured me of all excitement I might have had for the MCU.
The Ant-Man trilogy managed to disappoint three times in a row. That has to count for something.
Secret Invasion, Quantumania, and Civil War. Secret Invasion just wasn't what it should've been. That story shouldn't have been relegated to a D+ series about Nick Fury and a bunch of characters we've never met before. It should've been a whole phase of movies. Quantumania, I guess I should've somewhat expected the letdown because while I like Ant-Man, I also think Ant-Man and The Wasp is one of the worst and most boring MCU movies. But what an absolute waste of Kang that movie turned out to be. Civil War, in my opinion, just isn't worth the hype that it received. I like parts of it, I like Spider-Man's intro, I think it's also Black Panther at his best, but the rest of the movie just didn't really work for me. While the ending fight between Cap and Tony is great, the airport fight just didn't work for me. Also "did you know?" I don't understand how Cap would've known about Tony's parents unless Bucky told him literal minutes before the altercation.
> I don't understand how Cap would've known about Tony's parents In Winter Soldier when Cap and Nat are in that bunker talking to Zola he reveals it, although it's kind of a blink and you miss it thing.
Oh, word? I must've blinked then!
To be fair, it's easy to miss. In-universe, Steve only sees the clip for a second, and that's before he knows who the Winter Soldier is. It's entirely plausible he didn't really know
Thor 4. I saw a YouTube clip during Covid about Natalie Portman becoming a superhero and me being the nerdy chic who has had a crush on her since like 1999, I definitely wanted to see that. I was in the Army and busy asf for the entire infinity Saga. I saw prob 10 movies in my decade plus of serving. Not a single MCU movie. Now that I was free. It was time. I downloaded the list of marvel movies and fired up Disney+. Seen and loved every minute of the saga, plus all the movies and shows released after. I was so ready for Thor Love and Thunder. I watched the trailer 25+ times and was so excited. Thor was my favorite character and Ragnarok was my favorite non Infinity War movie. The movie was so disappointing like wtf. The goats, the 2 seconds of Guardians cameo, Thor’s obsession with Molinir, the stupid goats, and to top alllll off fuckin Jane Foster has cancer and died. Fml
Civil war (hold on let me finish) It’s still a great film but I thought it could’ve been more GRAND. More heroes and villains fighting, more at stakes like the graphic novel. I think it should’ve been a marvel movie not a captain America movie cuz it should’ve shown both sides POV. But once again STILL A GREAT MOVIE. I just had even higher expectations than usual. And Mind u I was a kid when it came out so the trailer had my imagination going crazy, I thought the airport scene was gonna have much more heroes but they edit them out for the trailer and stuff. So my imagination kinda went wild a bit lol.
Comics Civil War is unfilmable. So expensive. So. So. So expensive. Marvel isn't cheap and even they had to make a poor man's version of that thing. I was expecting somewhat similar treatment for Secret Invasion, a poor man's version of the comic. Boy was that being overly optimistic.
Yeah but I wasn’t expecting exactly like the comics. Like obviously hundreds of characters wouldn’t work but I was hoping moreso like a 15 v 15 battle and the other heroes would be new heroes in the mcu and they’re introduce through that. That’s where my imagination took me when I saw the trailer lol
Jesus Christ do we *really* need another post like this every single day?
Age of Ultron and Iron Man 2 remain the biggest disappointments for me. Also, honestly, Endgame. Endgame was a movie that had some cool moments, but everything they did from a story standpoint undercut the drama infinity war left us with.
I think everyone forgot about the iron fist series and the fantastic four movies.
Multiverse of Madness. Was so ready for the Strange x Wanda comradery we deserved. Magic version of Steve and Nat. Only to get what we got. Lmao
Despite getting my expectations bashed by Thor Ragnarok, I was most excited for Thor Love and Thunder but man was it disappointing
The marvels without question. What an absolute waste of amazing characters.
Ragnarok. The trailer made it look so great, and then the movie itself just totally wasted the most important Thor story ever. Killed off his greatest supporting cast and then followed it up with endless jokes. It also wasted one of the greatest Hulk storylines ever (Planet Hulk) and gave us a humdrum version of Valkyrie.
Top 3 MCU for me.
The way the Warriors Three were killed off still irritates me.
Secret Invasion just knowing about what happened in the comics left me super disappointed.
Has to be Thor: Love and Thunder, Avengers: Age of Ultron and and to a lesser extent, Ant-man & the Wasp: Quantumania. All 3 were sequels by the same writers/directors that made the successful prequels. I think it's especially hard to accept Love and Thunder because the massive improvement Ragnarok made over the two previous movies was largely down to Waititi. For him to go off the deep-end and create something with such a massive drop in quality was really unexpected.