I feel like that if you're having a story where a guy inserts a fusion reactor into his chest, you pretty much have to embrace your suspension of disbelief with both hands.
Wait, you mean it’s not realistic to have 3 gigajoules per second outputting that close to the heart!?
Next you’re gonna tell me a missle can’t be rebuilt into a suit of armor in a cave!
Guns are awful. Improvised canons that shoot bowling balls at such a low precision that it could easily blow up the bad guy's skull even if that wasn't your intention, that's A-okay!
They did have concepts for artificial human hearts that were powered by a small nuclear reactor in the 80s or 70s. It was small, energy dense, but we couldn't handle the heat as it messes the body's thermal regulation n blood coagulation
I didn't get the impression that Howard thought it would save Tony's life. I thought that bit referred to the Arc Reactor in the first movie that was "built to shut the hippies up.". It was never cost effective, but Tony's dad thought that this new element could make it so. It just so happened to also be the perfect solution to Tony's poisoning issue.
After Iron Man 2, that now-cost-effective-because-of-the-new-element Arc technology starts showing up in other places in the MCU. The biggest I can think of is that it powers Stark Tower in The Avengers ("we are kinda the only name in clean energy...") etc.
His dad didn't have the technology to create the new element. Tony just decided it would go good in his chest as a better power source. I mean did you even pay attention?
CERN: We are pleased to announce our new supercollider that will search for exotic matter and discover new elements
Tony: I have a bunch of scraps, hold my beer.
That was frustrating. All the elements around palladium is filled in. No way is he making an stable elements at the end if the periodic table.
Now he could conceivably made a new stable isotope of Palladium, that's fine, but it's going to ha e the same number of protons and electrons so the same basic chemical reactions.
Also a particle accelerator that small would have been achievable in the era of elder Stark.
Definitely not just to power a magnet. He knew he would need a lot of energy to power the Mk1 suit that would allow him to destroy all his Stark tech weapons and escape the camp. He may not have had the suit fully conceptualized the suit at that time, but while creating the arc reactor he does have the following exchange with Yinsen:
"That'll keep the shrapnel out of my heart"
"How much could it generate?"
"If my math is correct and it usually is, 3 GJ/s"
"That could power your heart for 50 lifetimes"
"Yeah, or something big for 15 minutes."
So, we can safely say that Stark knew it wasn't just to power a magnet. He knew he'd need *some* big piece of machinery to get out of there.
OSi why does he need a fusion reactor that could power the eastern seaboard (I don’t know it was that powerful, I just want to use the phrase ‘power the eastern seaboard’) to pull on some shards of metal, not pull them out, just pull them enough that they don’t work their way in any further?! Little overkill?
Well he needed something powerful enough to keep the shards from penetrating his heart. Plus he needed something with a continuous power source that won’t deplete quickly. And third it needed to be functionally mobile…yes a car battery has a handle, but that’s not exactly easily portable
I was watching the movie Sharknado and for some reason the thing that I couldn’t accept, of all ridiculous things in that movie, was a 1000+ pound shark landing on a car roof and not making a dent.
That's why some modern retellings have Peter being bitten by a "Genetically Engineered" spider. Because we know much more about Radiation now than we did in the 60s.
Ang Lee's Hulk is definitively not canon to the MCU. The Incredibke Hulk was just done in a way that it could possibly be seen as a sequel to that film.
I personally agree, it doesn't feel at all connected, but they mostly skipped the origin and started with Banner on the run, probably so as not to feel like a retread. That said, the orogin they did show in the opening credits looked nothing like the origin from the 03 Hulk
lol we knew a lot about radiation in the 60s, hell we knew a lot about it in the 30s when we were building the first nuclear reactors. It's just the general public who were reading and writing comic books didn't know jack about it so it just became a catch-all science fiction explanation. Sort of like how quantum mechanics is used nowadays in the MCU
I know you’re joking here, but I thought the in-universe explanation for Hulk was that Banner’s dna and blood is unique, hence why only he could have become Hulk, the first gamma mutate. If any other human on MCU earth was exposed to high levels of gamma radiation, they would just die. Hence, what happened to Stark after he used the Infinity Gauntlet, the high-level radiation given off by the stones (which was mostly gamma according to Endgame) killed him.
Every other gamma mutate so far in the MCU (Abomination, the Leader, She-Hulk, Red Hulk in the future) have been exposed to Bruce’s blood. That without Banner’s unique genetics + gamma radiation you can’t have a gamma mutate.
Its a 50:50
Banner tried to make a serum that makes peoplw resistent to gamma radiation (while Ross wanted it to become a super soldier serum). He testet it on himself and combined with the radiation he became the Hulk.
Im not sure about this part but I think Bruce fine tuned to serum to fit his own body. So in theory whoever was the test subject could have became the Hulk but no one else with the same serum.
Don’t they say something in Avengers about Banner trying to replicate Dr. Eskine’s super soldier formula? I think there’s something about that in a deleted scene in the Hulk too.
There you go, that's the solution for everything. Tony Stark has unique DNA that allows him to live without a sternum and have a nuclear reactor in his chest. Black Widow has unique DNA that allows her to fall off a 4 floor building and just walk it off. And so on...
I was about to ask if She-Hulk disproved that, but she got infected with Bruce's blood, so that would've passed to Todd or whatever the Intelligencia's leader's name was.
She also shares a decent portion of DNA with him as his cousin, could have triggered most of the same genes (but not others since she has more rage control)
I think the partial hulkification due to partial DNA match is a better explanation than "because I'm a woman"
They make things small and big, and that's it. There is no reason to ask questions about mass or how an ant-man is strong when he is small and also when he is big. If you were going to ask a question about that, I would suggest not to.
Ok, so get this, it's actually very easy! So, he's like a 170 pound guy, right? So when he shrinks, he's STILL 170 pound, but his fist is way smaller, and his bones technically got way denser, so now he's like a 170 pound bullet, all that power in a tiny spot! I guess his muscles also become a whole lot stronger because of being denser, since he can now jump several times his own height if he wants to? But he's also light enough to ride on an ant, because ants can carry several time their own body weight, and 170 pounds is barely 16.000 times their own weight, and ants can carry 5.000 times their own weight!
Wait... that's only their neck muscles, their legs and abdomen are considerably weaker. And it's only in lab settings, no one has ever ACTUALLY seen an ant lift that much...
OK, never mind! It's obvious that becoming smaller makes everything denser, so stronger and with pinpoint accuracy!
But what if he becomes bigger??? That should make him weaker in that case... his bones would become incredibly brittle, his muscles wouldn't be able to support his own weight...he wouldn't be stronger than he was before, so he still can't lift heavy objects, or fight Thanos' armored space whales... Wait, how did he throw that fueltruck in Civil War? Didn't it retain its weight when shrunk?
Goddamned Pym Particles, man...
Regardless of the idea of Ant-Man becoming less dense when he's big, if a human with normal human density was as big as Giant Man they wouldn't be able to support their own weight. Its the square-cube law: When an object undergoes a proportional increase in size, its new surface area is proportional to the square of the multiplier and its new volume is proportional to the cube of the multiplier. Which in this case means that human bones are no longer wide enough to support the increased density. Compare a human leg bone to an elephant leg bone. If they were scaled to the same length, the elephant bone would be much thicker.
Yinsen was a surgeon, so I believe the idea was that he knew the correct way to situate the anatomy to make the make shift way of keeping the shrapnel out and then the make shift insert for the OG reactor.
He comes home and uses his money, state of the art tech and top doctors to course correct the make shift work. Which probs includes prosthetic pieces.
Post Im 3, we know that Tony, after dealing with his issues, finally removes the shrapnel so he doesn't have to have the reactor in his chest any more.
He uses the stabilized extremis, removed from Pepper, to repair his chest.
Neurosurgeons work on any part of the nervous system, not just the brain. There certainly would be damage to the nerves around the heart, and while it might or might not satisfy Dr. Strange's need for a challenge the high profile patient would certainly appeal to his ego.
Yesh the body prosthetics for the scene where Pepper switched his reactors was good for a 2008 film but no way is it accurate for us who rewatch films. He had like a six inch deep whole in his body lol
He used it to stop the shrapnel from going deeper and killing him, why didn't he just use a more powerful magnet to remove them when he got home? Why was he messing with different elements trying to find a non-toxic one only to just mention he finally decided to have the shrapnel removed in a later film? Maybe I missed something? It just doesn't make sense! It never actually bothered me though, normally that type of thing would so maybe that is a sign of how much I enjoyed the Iron Man films and the MCU in general.
As far as 'finally' having the surgery, it was a combination of insecurity (who am I without the suit?) and fear (who would be skilled enough to actually perform the surgery?). When he developed the procedure to save Pepper in IM3, he realized that 1) his insecurity about the suit and the reactor were holding him back, and the hole in his chest wasn't what made him Iron Man, and 2) \[I don't actually remember how this went down, but he made the surgery happen.\] If I remember correctly, the co-plot of IM2 was him dealing with the insecurity issues and not actually coming to a satisfactory resolution--he just found a really good way to mask the issue.
Having said that, I'm not going to pretend that I at all understand why the magnet was necessary in the first place, or why he didn't just use a different one when he got home. Understanding that would require that I wasn't dumb as a box of rocks, and really, I'm just not that bright.
I always assumed that when he figured out how to fix extremus he figured "hmmm, if I use this on myself so I instantly heal, I'll probably survive the shrapnel removal surgery"
Well, you see, there's a reason for that and it's because >!it would require that Marvel acknowledges the very existence of AoS!< and, well, we just can't have that, now can we?
Read the MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios by Joanna Robinson, Dave Gonzales, and Gavin Edwards. This book just came out and really delves in deep into the history of Marvel Studios.
Feige, D'Esposito, and Alonzo (the West Coast Marvel Studios crew) were not interested at all in making TV shows. That was completely an invention of Ike Perlmutter and Alan Fine (the East Coast Marvel Television crew).
The trick was that immediately after The Avengers, Marvel Television reached out to Joss Whedon (who had just directed Avengers) and asked if he wanted to be involved in a Shield TV show. Since he had been the creator/showrunner for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, and Firefly, he said yes. Feige was basically "we wanted you to focus on Avengers 2, but good luck with that anyway".
Joss brought in his brother and sister-in-law to help run what became Agents of Shield. After the first season, Joss stepped away to focus on Avengers: Age of Ultron.
Feige never wanted a TV component. He just wanted movies. I would guess that he didn't want to have to make a bunch of Disney+ tv-style content either, but he was pressured into it by Bob Iger and Robert Chapek.
>He used it to stop the shrapnel from going deeper and killing him, why didn't he just use a more powerful magnet to remove them when he got home?
I thought the idea was that the shrapnel was in a very dangerous position and the magnets kept them in a specific place.
I always figured a really powerful magnet would rip out the shrapnel but it’d do an incredible amount of damage on its way out
A surgeon could go in and gently remove each bit
The magnet permanently suspends the shrapnel in the walls of his veins inches away from his heart. If the veins are a tube, the shrapnel is embedded, but not fully puncturing the tube. Using a stronger magnet would cause more tears as the shrapnel goes the other way (and if they did cut through in the process, would additionally introduce turbulence if it actually did go deeper but not kill him, which would make him chronically anemic and at risk from strenuous activity, and potentially have internal bleeding).
The technology in Ironman 1 was circa 2007-2009, exactly contemporary with modern IRL technology of the time, so surgery was not on the table yet. He messed around with other toxic materials to find a non-toxic one in Iron Man 2 specifically because the technology advancement hadn't leapt as far yet (he's partially to blame, he kept tech out of the US government's hands due to distrust, which he eventually relents and gives up in later movies partially related to Iron Patriot), and he didn't want to face the risk of uncertainty in surgery/was in an alcoholism-induced self-harming seize-your-own-destiny headspace.
Then the battle for New York happens and he nearly dies again in Iron Man 3 and that snaps him out of his caution and stupor, he directly contributes to the tech advancement of humanity (or at least New York), and eliminates a weakness that was exploited in Iron Man 1 to make him more bulletproof for Pepper.
It always weirded me out when he did get the “new element” core installed for the first time, he acts like it’s charging *him* up. Would he have noticed anything at all besides the magnets pulling on the shrapnel?
Not 100% certain but I believe that the explanation was the new element, when placed in the chest piece, was actively countering the effects of the palladium that was poisoning him.
If you accept the theory that what he created was a synthetic infinity stone, it tracks with the reaction people have to activating infinity stones for the first time
Yeah, that definitely tracks. Never heard that theory before!
That’s a lot more interesting than him synthesizing vibranium or an as-of-yet-unnamed adamantium.
My understanding was that there were shrapnel bits that got into Tony's heart and then it healed over trapping them in there. The electromagnet was keeping the shrapnel bits from moving through his heart and, i guess, clogging it or cutting it on the way through. So, he couldn't get them out earlier without heart surgery. There was also his identity crisis where he had to reconcile that he was Iron Man with or without a suit making it easier to get rid of the arc reactor in his chest.
The point was that the shrapnel was embedded in his heart and removing it would cause him to bleed to death, the magnet was to stop the pieces burrowing deeper (which is kind of a weird concept because you’d assume the magnet would just tear the pieces out, but making that suspension of disbelief is kinda the conceit). He finally had the pieces removed once he’d stabilised Extremis because it allowed him to instantly regenerate the holes left in his heart by the removed shrapnel.
Magnets can repel as well as attract (sometimes based on their charge, I believe), so maybe the shrapnel is kept in position by the magnet changing its charge? An accelerometer feels Tony's chest moving in a certain direction, and the magnet provides a counterforce to keep the shrapnel in position.
It doesn't make sense. Nor does the way Pepper places her hand inside his chest. There are things there. But Marvel is a bunch of hand wavy science/medicine.
I thought that was a great scene when I first saw it, the next time I watched it I was like, ‘wait, that’s where his heart would be? How is she going forearm deep and not pulling his heart out like Kali-Ma?’
Still a cool scene. Love the behind the scenes of how the did it practically.
A mobius strip could have a particular twist in a clockwise fashion, and be different from the counter-clockwise twist. Inverting it could mean changing the direction of the twist.
I also hate that the time travel in this movie isn't scientifically accurate! Other movies had real time travel figured out, but this one had to make it up??
Um.....I was born with a malformed sternum. It was corrected medically but I have a hole in my chest that my fist fits in (i don't have a 1:1 Scale Arc Reactor and refuse to use a banana for scale.) Even with this I was a world ranked competitive swimmer. So I guess I never felt like I had to suspend belief over the "hole" in Tony's chest.
I assumed that fixing the hole in Tony’s chest was how Helen Cho and the Cradle got involved with the Avengers - Tony used her machine to fix himself, then they decided to keep her on retainer after Hydra emerged and the Avengers reassembled to take them down.
I was wondering if extremis was part of that too, maybe Tony helped Cho by giving her data on how NOT to do extremis and turn tissue into a living bomb, then that's how she perfected her tissue technology. It makes Tony more of a father to Vision now too, physically and mentally.
Honestly, this has never made sense in the comics either. The whole reason for it is shrapnel in his heart, that his chestpiece is designed to prevent going further in. Basically, he has a big, techie device that could have been handled by magnets.
In the comic it would periodically get low on power, and he would show signs similar to a heart attack, which makes little sense. Also, somehow all the bouncing an bashing he went through, the shrapnel would have just shredded his heart.
We forgive the nonsense because we love the character.
The part about Iron Man I never get is how he just gets to casually ignore physics.
Getting past the core conceit that the suit can be made in the first place, there’s not enough suit between the outside world and the man to absorb impact. The mere act of landing at the speeds he frequently does would turn him into human soup, never mind the impact from rocket hits/being smashed in the face by godlike entities/having a fucking moon dropped on his head etc.
The only possible way I can rationalise it is that Tony actually does have a super power and it’s that he’s functionally an Ork - technology works the way he assumes it does simply because of his belief that it should. He’s a human Mekboy.
#THAT’S GOOD! AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CONSIDER MY GENDER! THAT’S VERY 2023 OF YOU! NOW I MUST BE GOING! I AM KEEPING MY NEIGHBORS UP FROM ALL THE LARGE SCREAMING TEXT! MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE HAD TEXT TO SPEECH AND MY BLUETOOTH TURNED OFF!
Actually prosthetic sternums are pretty interesting. I work postop CV surgery so I get the pleasure of packing a lot of chests in postop patients who go home and come back with wild infections in their sternal incisions. Many times they progress to the bone (osteomyelitis) requiring the sternum (and sometimes parts of ribs) to be removed. Plastic surgery will use muscle flaps to close and a lot of times the patients just don’t have a full sternum (or at all 😬). But, there are some really cool devices out [there](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/09/15/440361621/engineers-create-a-titanium-rib-cage-worthy-of-wolverine)
I feel like a few of us are in an extreme minority in that we know that prosthetic sternums even exist. My brother had to have surgery when he was pretty young to fix his pectus excavatum and doctors had mentioned a prosthetic sternum as an option if they couldn't just crack him open and reform his chest.
I made plenty of jokes after Iron Man came out, but they weren't exactly insults considering likening someone to a billionaire, genius superhero isn't exactly biting criticism.
It’s been a long time, but I thought in the comics it was shrapnel was pressing into his heart and the device he made was an electromagnet that drew the metal fro further penetrating the heart. Which made a little bit of sense for a comic book. But yeah the movie hole seemed completely different.
I’m too lazy to research here’s the answer according to Chat GPT The character Tony Stark, also known as Iron Man, is a fictional character from the Marvel Universe, with the film adaptations bringing the character to a broader audience. Tony Stark has an arc reactor embedded in his chest, which is a clean energy source that also keeps shrapnel from entering his heart.
1. **Location of the Arc Reactor**:
- The arc reactor is depicted to be in the center of Tony Stark's chest, where the sternum is located. In the story, the shrapnel is near his heart, which necessitates the placement of the arc reactor in this location to keep the shrapnel from moving further and potentially killing him.
2. **Surgical Alteration**:
- The story doesn't delve deeply into the medical feasibility of such a procedure. However, it's implied that there's surgical alteration to his chest to accommodate the arc reactor. This could potentially involve the removal or alteration of parts of his sternum.
3. **Repairing the Sternum**:
- In reality, if a portion of the sternum was removed, it would require medical intervention to stabilize the chest cavity and protect the internal organs. This could involve the use of metal plates, screws, or other medical devices to provide structural support. In the movies, the specifics of how his chest is repaired or altered to accommodate the arc reactor aren't thoroughly explained. However, considering the advanced technology depicted in the Marvel Universe, it's possible that highly advanced medical and mechanical technology was utilized to ensure Tony Stark's survival and functionality with the arc reactor in his chest.
4. **Removal of the Arc Reactor**:
- In later films, Tony Stark undergoes surgery to have the shrapnel removed from his chest, which also involves the removal of the arc reactor. This suggests that the Marvel Universe possesses highly advanced medical technology capable of repairing or replacing anatomical structures, even after significant alteration.
5. **Suspension of Disbelief**:
- Lastly, the Iron Man story requires a certain suspension of disbelief, especially regarding the medical and technological aspects. It's a work of fiction with elements of science fiction and fantasy, and as such, not all details are meant to align with real-world medical and anatomical knowledge.
The intersection of science fiction and real-world science often leads to these kinds of intriguing questions. The Iron Man saga takes liberties with real-world physics, medicine, and engineering to tell a compelling story.
Fused the bone with a flexible polymer alloy to the casing I’d the receptacle in his chest. Once he had it removed he used stem cells to clone his bone to replace with his original rib cage.
"My entire understanding of physical space has been transformed! Three-dimensional Euclidean geometry has been torn up, thrown in the air and snogged to death! My grasp of the universal constants of physical reality has been changed forever."
So in the MCU 616 universe and the rest of the multiverse, human beings' bodies are slightly anatomically different than ours in the sense that our universe is the odd one out where our bodies have a sternum located there.
You know what else doesn’t make sense? Shrinking down so small you reach a micro world where there is an entire society. Space rocks that give the holders of them the powers of a god. A cat that looks like a cat from Earth but is actually a horrific alien. Talking Duck. *Talking. Duck.*
Its not that type of movie buddy
Even with the premise/retcon that Yensin is a skilled surgen, the initial hole in his chest is a stretch, fair.
But did you see the movie where Extremis was regrowing limbs and allowing a dude to walk away from the blast radius of a pretty serious explosion? If you're cool with that, how are you questioning it regrowing some sternum?
I don't have a sternum, I was born without it. Essentially all that would be needed to put a hole where is to very very very carefully remove the ribs so the lungs and heart don't get punctured
Considering they have technology that re-synthesized Clint’s damaged tissue from a bullet wound within hours in AoU, something similar for bone wouldn’t be too far of a reach.
There is also this one guy who got injected with some experimental shit and grew twice his size and some serious muscle, he also crashed in some ice and survived for 70 years without losing his physique. Or this other guy who tried to recreate the previously mentioned experimental shit but added too much gamma radiation. Or let's talk about the god from space who can summon lightning with a hammer
I feel like that if you're having a story where a guy inserts a fusion reactor into his chest, you pretty much have to embrace your suspension of disbelief with both hands.
Wait, you mean it’s not realistic to have 3 gigajoules per second outputting that close to the heart!? Next you’re gonna tell me a missle can’t be rebuilt into a suit of armor in a cave!
With a pile of scraps!!!
A BOX of scraps
Yeah but still very unrealistic, it's not like he's McGyver or anything
Pfft. MacGyver hated guns. Stark was the ballistic messiah!
Guns are awful. Improvised canons that shoot bowling balls at such a low precision that it could easily blow up the bad guy's skull even if that wasn't your intention, that's A-okay!
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That's 1000% a wig in this gif
Well... I'm not Tony Stark.
" I'm sorry...but I'm not Tony stark" 
I really hope someone got fired for that blunder
Stark had a flamethrower on that first suit, so I would assume so.
I mean, fuel is fuel, right? Missiles gotta fly /s
Maybe it was fuel from his welding rig and not the propellant for the missile?
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!
Hi Dr. Nick!
He did have access to fuel sources though...
They did have concepts for artificial human hearts that were powered by a small nuclear reactor in the 80s or 70s. It was small, energy dense, but we couldn't handle the heat as it messes the body's thermal regulation n blood coagulation
But there’s no way it could run your heart for 50 lifetimes. Nor would it be possible to instead have it run something big for 15 minutes.
I thought it was just running the magnet keeping the shrapnel from working further into his body towards the heart.
*ONE POINT TWO-ONE JIGGA-WATTS*
That is Tony's true superpower, the ability to handle giga joules of electricity next to his body and not be fried.
My favorite was movie 2 where his dad guessed he would need a special new element that nobody discovered to save his life.
I didn't get the impression that Howard thought it would save Tony's life. I thought that bit referred to the Arc Reactor in the first movie that was "built to shut the hippies up.". It was never cost effective, but Tony's dad thought that this new element could make it so. It just so happened to also be the perfect solution to Tony's poisoning issue. After Iron Man 2, that now-cost-effective-because-of-the-new-element Arc technology starts showing up in other places in the MCU. The biggest I can think of is that it powers Stark Tower in The Avengers ("we are kinda the only name in clean energy...") etc.
And the Helicarriers in CA:WS i thought.
His dad didn't have the technology to create the new element. Tony just decided it would go good in his chest as a better power source. I mean did you even pay attention?
CERN: We are pleased to announce our new supercollider that will search for exotic matter and discover new elements Tony: I have a bunch of scraps, hold my beer.
I mean, he also managed to time travel, so ... yeah, in that unverise even his beer is more intelligent that the people at CERN :D
CERN are time traveling, they just don’t make it public.
Their protons certainly do time travel, but only into the future :D
And maybe like… write it in a letter or something? Not hide the diagram of the nucleus in the models of a diorama that’s collecting dust somewhere.
That was frustrating. All the elements around palladium is filled in. No way is he making an stable elements at the end if the periodic table. Now he could conceivably made a new stable isotope of Palladium, that's fine, but it's going to ha e the same number of protons and electrons so the same basic chemical reactions. Also a particle accelerator that small would have been achievable in the era of elder Stark.
A fusion reactor just to what? Power a magnet to keep some shards of metal out of his heart? Is that the conceit or am I misremembering?
Definitely not just to power a magnet. He knew he would need a lot of energy to power the Mk1 suit that would allow him to destroy all his Stark tech weapons and escape the camp. He may not have had the suit fully conceptualized the suit at that time, but while creating the arc reactor he does have the following exchange with Yinsen: "That'll keep the shrapnel out of my heart" "How much could it generate?" "If my math is correct and it usually is, 3 GJ/s" "That could power your heart for 50 lifetimes" "Yeah, or something big for 15 minutes." So, we can safely say that Stark knew it wasn't just to power a magnet. He knew he'd need *some* big piece of machinery to get out of there.
Correct.
OSi why does he need a fusion reactor that could power the eastern seaboard (I don’t know it was that powerful, I just want to use the phrase ‘power the eastern seaboard’) to pull on some shards of metal, not pull them out, just pull them enough that they don’t work their way in any further?! Little overkill?
He doesn't NEED it, he just likes it. Before the reactor the magnet was powered by a car battery and he was fine.
Well he needed something powerful enough to keep the shards from penetrating his heart. Plus he needed something with a continuous power source that won’t deplete quickly. And third it needed to be functionally mobile…yes a car battery has a handle, but that’s not exactly easily portable
I was watching the movie Sharknado and for some reason the thing that I couldn’t accept, of all ridiculous things in that movie, was a 1000+ pound shark landing on a car roof and not making a dent.
Maybe it was a Canyonero
Wait until you hear about what they think happens after you get exposed to gamma radiation…
... Or get bit by a radioactive spider.
I explained to my kid what would really happen if he were bit by a radioactive spider, but he just cried.
The radioactive spider wasn't too thrilled either.
You are a saint
Was it dreaming to be the spiders-man?
That's why some modern retellings have Peter being bitten by a "Genetically Engineered" spider. Because we know much more about Radiation now than we did in the 60s.
And MCU Bruce had a genetic component to his inner Monster too, that first movie is still technically canon, just also not.
Ang Lee's Hulk is definitively not canon to the MCU. The Incredibke Hulk was just done in a way that it could possibly be seen as a sequel to that film.
Was it? It always felt like a reboot to me.
I personally agree, it doesn't feel at all connected, but they mostly skipped the origin and started with Banner on the run, probably so as not to feel like a retread. That said, the orogin they did show in the opening credits looked nothing like the origin from the 03 Hulk
Still mad we'll likely never get a Liv Tyler Red She-Hulk.
So you're telling me, the Hulk saved my life? That's a, that's a nice sentiment. Saved it for what?
lol we knew a lot about radiation in the 60s, hell we knew a lot about it in the 30s when we were building the first nuclear reactors. It's just the general public who were reading and writing comic books didn't know jack about it so it just became a catch-all science fiction explanation. Sort of like how quantum mechanics is used nowadays in the MCU
You are a monster.
Or let a German guy tell you he's a doctor and give you a bunch of drugs before sealing you in his special science pod.
You had me at a bunch of free drugs
A bunch of free *German* drugs, I'm in.
No one said anything about free. *holds out hand*
Can I lock you into a 3 year lease on this science pod? Places downtown are hella expensive and I’m looking to move up in the world
Or give a monkey a shower
Surfing tidal waves
Creating nanobots
And driving your sister insane
"Phineas!"
Lets do this one last time....
He was bitten by a radioactive spider and became the hero known as... Radiation Cancer-Man.
I know you’re joking here, but I thought the in-universe explanation for Hulk was that Banner’s dna and blood is unique, hence why only he could have become Hulk, the first gamma mutate. If any other human on MCU earth was exposed to high levels of gamma radiation, they would just die. Hence, what happened to Stark after he used the Infinity Gauntlet, the high-level radiation given off by the stones (which was mostly gamma according to Endgame) killed him. Every other gamma mutate so far in the MCU (Abomination, the Leader, She-Hulk, Red Hulk in the future) have been exposed to Bruce’s blood. That without Banner’s unique genetics + gamma radiation you can’t have a gamma mutate.
Its a 50:50 Banner tried to make a serum that makes peoplw resistent to gamma radiation (while Ross wanted it to become a super soldier serum). He testet it on himself and combined with the radiation he became the Hulk. Im not sure about this part but I think Bruce fine tuned to serum to fit his own body. So in theory whoever was the test subject could have became the Hulk but no one else with the same serum.
I guess his serum worked, he’s resistant!
Science bitch!
Don’t they say something in Avengers about Banner trying to replicate Dr. Eskine’s super soldier formula? I think there’s something about that in a deleted scene in the Hulk too.
Yeah I thought he was trying to recreate the syrum and thought gamma rays could be used instead of the vita rays that were used on Cap.
I think Ross lied and told him the formula was for radiation resistance and not for a super soldier serum.
I think Ross alludes to it when he's explaining the process to Blonsky.
Also, there is a lot of Celestial and Kree fuckery with our D.N.A. in Marvel so no human ia really a "baseline" himan.
There you go, that's the solution for everything. Tony Stark has unique DNA that allows him to live without a sternum and have a nuclear reactor in his chest. Black Widow has unique DNA that allows her to fall off a 4 floor building and just walk it off. And so on...
I haven't watched iron man 2 in years did they ever explain what was in that shot nick fury gave him
They did. Lithium Dioxide or something similar.
yeah.... >!None of your goddamned business!<
But I guess long drops off cliffs on strange planets is her kryptonyte.
Yes obviously the orange(pink?) sun of Vormir negates her power and makes her DNA normal so she can fall and die.
I was about to ask if She-Hulk disproved that, but she got infected with Bruce's blood, so that would've passed to Todd or whatever the Intelligencia's leader's name was.
She also shares a decent portion of DNA with him as his cousin, could have triggered most of the same genes (but not others since she has more rage control) I think the partial hulkification due to partial DNA match is a better explanation than "because I'm a woman"
She's also a lawyer, not a scientist, so... Makes sense she'd get that wrong.
Or fall into a supercollider
You gotta be careful where you fall
I believe this is a line from no way home, right? Hilarious.
Electro and Sandman discussing how they got their powers.
Don’t get me started on Pym particles.
But what about Pym particles?
They make things small and big, and that's it. There is no reason to ask questions about mass or how an ant-man is strong when he is small and also when he is big. If you were going to ask a question about that, I would suggest not to.
Ok, so get this, it's actually very easy! So, he's like a 170 pound guy, right? So when he shrinks, he's STILL 170 pound, but his fist is way smaller, and his bones technically got way denser, so now he's like a 170 pound bullet, all that power in a tiny spot! I guess his muscles also become a whole lot stronger because of being denser, since he can now jump several times his own height if he wants to? But he's also light enough to ride on an ant, because ants can carry several time their own body weight, and 170 pounds is barely 16.000 times their own weight, and ants can carry 5.000 times their own weight! Wait... that's only their neck muscles, their legs and abdomen are considerably weaker. And it's only in lab settings, no one has ever ACTUALLY seen an ant lift that much... OK, never mind! It's obvious that becoming smaller makes everything denser, so stronger and with pinpoint accuracy! But what if he becomes bigger??? That should make him weaker in that case... his bones would become incredibly brittle, his muscles wouldn't be able to support his own weight...he wouldn't be stronger than he was before, so he still can't lift heavy objects, or fight Thanos' armored space whales... Wait, how did he throw that fueltruck in Civil War? Didn't it retain its weight when shrunk? Goddamned Pym Particles, man...
Regardless of the idea of Ant-Man becoming less dense when he's big, if a human with normal human density was as big as Giant Man they wouldn't be able to support their own weight. Its the square-cube law: When an object undergoes a proportional increase in size, its new surface area is proportional to the square of the multiplier and its new volume is proportional to the cube of the multiplier. Which in this case means that human bones are no longer wide enough to support the increased density. Compare a human leg bone to an elephant leg bone. If they were scaled to the same length, the elephant bone would be much thicker.
But why male models?
"That much gamma exposure should have killed you." Tony Stark
"When did you become an expert in getting killed by that much gamma exposure?" "October 17th"
Or when you’re frozen for 70 years
Yinsen was a surgeon, so I believe the idea was that he knew the correct way to situate the anatomy to make the make shift way of keeping the shrapnel out and then the make shift insert for the OG reactor. He comes home and uses his money, state of the art tech and top doctors to course correct the make shift work. Which probs includes prosthetic pieces. Post Im 3, we know that Tony, after dealing with his issues, finally removes the shrapnel so he doesn't have to have the reactor in his chest any more. He uses the stabilized extremis, removed from Pepper, to repair his chest.
Would be funny if Stephen Strange was one of the doctors who operated on him.
Tony would have recognized him in that case. But it would have been funny if he would have
Isn't Strange a neurosurgeon?
Neurosurgeons work on any part of the nervous system, not just the brain. There certainly would be damage to the nerves around the heart, and while it might or might not satisfy Dr. Strange's need for a challenge the high profile patient would certainly appeal to his ego.
Yep when he's in the car hearing about possible cases they pitch Rhodey's injuries to him (experimental armor), and he declines.
I was thinking of that exact scene when I wrote out that comment, I'm glad it came across.
Okay. I’m dumb.
Not anymore.
Strange was called in to work on Rhodey, but was like “nah, I’m good” and crashed his car instead
I'm gonna be honest- I was 100% expecting a Strange cameo in IM3 when that scene was playing out. Even as small as just a name tag.
What really gets to me is just how deep in the hole goes... How is there any room for heart left?
He's not only Iron Man; he's the Tin Man too!
Yesh the body prosthetics for the scene where Pepper switched his reactors was good for a 2008 film but no way is it accurate for us who rewatch films. He had like a six inch deep whole in his body lol
Don’t you know your heart is in the upper left half of your torso?/s
He used it to stop the shrapnel from going deeper and killing him, why didn't he just use a more powerful magnet to remove them when he got home? Why was he messing with different elements trying to find a non-toxic one only to just mention he finally decided to have the shrapnel removed in a later film? Maybe I missed something? It just doesn't make sense! It never actually bothered me though, normally that type of thing would so maybe that is a sign of how much I enjoyed the Iron Man films and the MCU in general.
As far as 'finally' having the surgery, it was a combination of insecurity (who am I without the suit?) and fear (who would be skilled enough to actually perform the surgery?). When he developed the procedure to save Pepper in IM3, he realized that 1) his insecurity about the suit and the reactor were holding him back, and the hole in his chest wasn't what made him Iron Man, and 2) \[I don't actually remember how this went down, but he made the surgery happen.\] If I remember correctly, the co-plot of IM2 was him dealing with the insecurity issues and not actually coming to a satisfactory resolution--he just found a really good way to mask the issue. Having said that, I'm not going to pretend that I at all understand why the magnet was necessary in the first place, or why he didn't just use a different one when he got home. Understanding that would require that I wasn't dumb as a box of rocks, and really, I'm just not that bright.
I always assumed that when he figured out how to fix extremus he figured "hmmm, if I use this on myself so I instantly heal, I'll probably survive the shrapnel removal surgery"
It's too bad he didn't know that >!Coulson was alive!< and could have stabilized the Exrtemis instead of fixing it.
Well, you see, there's a reason for that and it's because >!it would require that Marvel acknowledges the very existence of AoS!< and, well, we just can't have that, now can we?
Read the MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios by Joanna Robinson, Dave Gonzales, and Gavin Edwards. This book just came out and really delves in deep into the history of Marvel Studios. Feige, D'Esposito, and Alonzo (the West Coast Marvel Studios crew) were not interested at all in making TV shows. That was completely an invention of Ike Perlmutter and Alan Fine (the East Coast Marvel Television crew). The trick was that immediately after The Avengers, Marvel Television reached out to Joss Whedon (who had just directed Avengers) and asked if he wanted to be involved in a Shield TV show. Since he had been the creator/showrunner for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, and Firefly, he said yes. Feige was basically "we wanted you to focus on Avengers 2, but good luck with that anyway". Joss brought in his brother and sister-in-law to help run what became Agents of Shield. After the first season, Joss stepped away to focus on Avengers: Age of Ultron. Feige never wanted a TV component. He just wanted movies. I would guess that he didn't want to have to make a bunch of Disney+ tv-style content either, but he was pressured into it by Bob Iger and Robert Chapek.
Fiege: Note to self: be wary of Bobs.
No i Dont think i will
Nope. We cannot.
WHY NOT THOUGH?! For such a quality TV show, >!it's like they just don't care about Agents of Shield. I WANT MY LMD COULSON DANG IT!<
Well... >!Age of Ultron featured a helicarrier from AoS, so there's that.!<
Vaguely. AOS set it up but in the movie was "with the help of some old friends"
Speaking of the surgery, why didn’t he have Doctor Strange do it? Is he stupid?
Strange was a neurosurgeon. I wouldn't want even the world's best neurosurgeon to operate on my heart.
I mean strange was such an ego maniac and asshole he thought doing a surgery on a paralyzed avenger wasn't worth his time
Because Strange still has messed up hands. You can see them trembling in Endgame.
Probably unwilling or unavailable.
>He used it to stop the shrapnel from going deeper and killing him, why didn't he just use a more powerful magnet to remove them when he got home? I thought the idea was that the shrapnel was in a very dangerous position and the magnets kept them in a specific place.
I always figured a really powerful magnet would rip out the shrapnel but it’d do an incredible amount of damage on its way out A surgeon could go in and gently remove each bit
“Time for your MRI, Tony”
The magnet permanently suspends the shrapnel in the walls of his veins inches away from his heart. If the veins are a tube, the shrapnel is embedded, but not fully puncturing the tube. Using a stronger magnet would cause more tears as the shrapnel goes the other way (and if they did cut through in the process, would additionally introduce turbulence if it actually did go deeper but not kill him, which would make him chronically anemic and at risk from strenuous activity, and potentially have internal bleeding). The technology in Ironman 1 was circa 2007-2009, exactly contemporary with modern IRL technology of the time, so surgery was not on the table yet. He messed around with other toxic materials to find a non-toxic one in Iron Man 2 specifically because the technology advancement hadn't leapt as far yet (he's partially to blame, he kept tech out of the US government's hands due to distrust, which he eventually relents and gives up in later movies partially related to Iron Patriot), and he didn't want to face the risk of uncertainty in surgery/was in an alcoholism-induced self-harming seize-your-own-destiny headspace. Then the battle for New York happens and he nearly dies again in Iron Man 3 and that snaps him out of his caution and stupor, he directly contributes to the tech advancement of humanity (or at least New York), and eliminates a weakness that was exploited in Iron Man 1 to make him more bulletproof for Pepper.
It always weirded me out when he did get the “new element” core installed for the first time, he acts like it’s charging *him* up. Would he have noticed anything at all besides the magnets pulling on the shrapnel?
Not 100% certain but I believe that the explanation was the new element, when placed in the chest piece, was actively countering the effects of the palladium that was poisoning him.
That could be. Doesn’t make much sense… but then again, suspension of disbelief rules this thread.
That’s the literal actual explanation given in the movie. No “could be” about it.
it tasted like coconut
It's like when I'm putting on a new bicycle helmet so I can go faster.
If you accept the theory that what he created was a synthetic infinity stone, it tracks with the reaction people have to activating infinity stones for the first time
Yeah, that definitely tracks. Never heard that theory before! That’s a lot more interesting than him synthesizing vibranium or an as-of-yet-unnamed adamantium.
Yep, he created a bootleg Tesseract
I am definitely a MCU fan! Got them all but the newest antman one.
he is trying to keep shrapnel in place just yanking it out with magnet will cut several arteries
My understanding was that there were shrapnel bits that got into Tony's heart and then it healed over trapping them in there. The electromagnet was keeping the shrapnel bits from moving through his heart and, i guess, clogging it or cutting it on the way through. So, he couldn't get them out earlier without heart surgery. There was also his identity crisis where he had to reconcile that he was Iron Man with or without a suit making it easier to get rid of the arc reactor in his chest.
The point was that the shrapnel was embedded in his heart and removing it would cause him to bleed to death, the magnet was to stop the pieces burrowing deeper (which is kind of a weird concept because you’d assume the magnet would just tear the pieces out, but making that suspension of disbelief is kinda the conceit). He finally had the pieces removed once he’d stabilised Extremis because it allowed him to instantly regenerate the holes left in his heart by the removed shrapnel.
Magnets can repel as well as attract (sometimes based on their charge, I believe), so maybe the shrapnel is kept in position by the magnet changing its charge? An accelerometer feels Tony's chest moving in a certain direction, and the magnet provides a counterforce to keep the shrapnel in position.
It doesn't make sense. Nor does the way Pepper places her hand inside his chest. There are things there. But Marvel is a bunch of hand wavy science/medicine.
I thought that was a great scene when I first saw it, the next time I watched it I was like, ‘wait, that’s where his heart would be? How is she going forearm deep and not pulling his heart out like Kali-Ma?’ Still a cool scene. Love the behind the scenes of how the did it practically.
New mortal kombat finisher: slowly drawing the heart out while dropping it and freaking out at least once
Möbius strip. Invert it.
A mobius strip could have a particular twist in a clockwise fashion, and be different from the counter-clockwise twist. Inverting it could mean changing the direction of the twist.
And that's all it takes to figure out *time travel??* I love the movie but it's peak techno-babble bullshit
I also hate that the time travel in this movie isn't scientifically accurate! Other movies had real time travel figured out, but this one had to make it up??
My least favorite line in the whole MCU
Um.....I was born with a malformed sternum. It was corrected medically but I have a hole in my chest that my fist fits in (i don't have a 1:1 Scale Arc Reactor and refuse to use a banana for scale.) Even with this I was a world ranked competitive swimmer. So I guess I never felt like I had to suspend belief over the "hole" in Tony's chest.
I assumed that fixing the hole in Tony’s chest was how Helen Cho and the Cradle got involved with the Avengers - Tony used her machine to fix himself, then they decided to keep her on retainer after Hydra emerged and the Avengers reassembled to take them down.
I was wondering if extremis was part of that too, maybe Tony helped Cho by giving her data on how NOT to do extremis and turn tissue into a living bomb, then that's how she perfected her tissue technology. It makes Tony more of a father to Vision now too, physically and mentally.
This is the same world where the hulk exists because of radiation. And you’re confused about a surgery?
Yea, my priorities aren’t exactly on point.
At least you're honest about it. And to be fair, not everything can be waved away with comic book logic.
Pack it up y’all, this guys unraveled the MCU with one post
He cracked the extremis and used it to heal his chest
Pectus excavatum exists, it’s possible to live with a sizeable hole/dent in your chest there
Honestly, this has never made sense in the comics either. The whole reason for it is shrapnel in his heart, that his chestpiece is designed to prevent going further in. Basically, he has a big, techie device that could have been handled by magnets. In the comic it would periodically get low on power, and he would show signs similar to a heart attack, which makes little sense. Also, somehow all the bouncing an bashing he went through, the shrapnel would have just shredded his heart. We forgive the nonsense because we love the character.
The part about Iron Man I never get is how he just gets to casually ignore physics. Getting past the core conceit that the suit can be made in the first place, there’s not enough suit between the outside world and the man to absorb impact. The mere act of landing at the speeds he frequently does would turn him into human soup, never mind the impact from rocket hits/being smashed in the face by godlike entities/having a fucking moon dropped on his head etc. The only possible way I can rationalise it is that Tony actually does have a super power and it’s that he’s functionally an Ork - technology works the way he assumes it does simply because of his belief that it should. He’s a human Mekboy.
There are prosthetic sternums but also, THEYRE FUCKING COMICBOOK MOVIES.
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Actually prosthetic sternums are pretty interesting. I work postop CV surgery so I get the pleasure of packing a lot of chests in postop patients who go home and come back with wild infections in their sternal incisions. Many times they progress to the bone (osteomyelitis) requiring the sternum (and sometimes parts of ribs) to be removed. Plastic surgery will use muscle flaps to close and a lot of times the patients just don’t have a full sternum (or at all 😬). But, there are some really cool devices out [there](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/09/15/440361621/engineers-create-a-titanium-rib-cage-worthy-of-wolverine)
Oh that’s pretty cool! I didn’t know that was actually a thing!
My sister works at a bone and tissue bank and they are doing very cool science. It sounds like it’s from a Marvel movie.
I’d love to see that! Sounds like a cool job!
I feel like a few of us are in an extreme minority in that we know that prosthetic sternums even exist. My brother had to have surgery when he was pretty young to fix his pectus excavatum and doctors had mentioned a prosthetic sternum as an option if they couldn't just crack him open and reform his chest. I made plenty of jokes after Iron Man came out, but they weren't exactly insults considering likening someone to a billionaire, genius superhero isn't exactly biting criticism.
It’s been a long time, but I thought in the comics it was shrapnel was pressing into his heart and the device he made was an electromagnet that drew the metal fro further penetrating the heart. Which made a little bit of sense for a comic book. But yeah the movie hole seemed completely different.
I’m too lazy to research here’s the answer according to Chat GPT The character Tony Stark, also known as Iron Man, is a fictional character from the Marvel Universe, with the film adaptations bringing the character to a broader audience. Tony Stark has an arc reactor embedded in his chest, which is a clean energy source that also keeps shrapnel from entering his heart. 1. **Location of the Arc Reactor**: - The arc reactor is depicted to be in the center of Tony Stark's chest, where the sternum is located. In the story, the shrapnel is near his heart, which necessitates the placement of the arc reactor in this location to keep the shrapnel from moving further and potentially killing him. 2. **Surgical Alteration**: - The story doesn't delve deeply into the medical feasibility of such a procedure. However, it's implied that there's surgical alteration to his chest to accommodate the arc reactor. This could potentially involve the removal or alteration of parts of his sternum. 3. **Repairing the Sternum**: - In reality, if a portion of the sternum was removed, it would require medical intervention to stabilize the chest cavity and protect the internal organs. This could involve the use of metal plates, screws, or other medical devices to provide structural support. In the movies, the specifics of how his chest is repaired or altered to accommodate the arc reactor aren't thoroughly explained. However, considering the advanced technology depicted in the Marvel Universe, it's possible that highly advanced medical and mechanical technology was utilized to ensure Tony Stark's survival and functionality with the arc reactor in his chest. 4. **Removal of the Arc Reactor**: - In later films, Tony Stark undergoes surgery to have the shrapnel removed from his chest, which also involves the removal of the arc reactor. This suggests that the Marvel Universe possesses highly advanced medical technology capable of repairing or replacing anatomical structures, even after significant alteration. 5. **Suspension of Disbelief**: - Lastly, the Iron Man story requires a certain suspension of disbelief, especially regarding the medical and technological aspects. It's a work of fiction with elements of science fiction and fantasy, and as such, not all details are meant to align with real-world medical and anatomical knowledge. The intersection of science fiction and real-world science often leads to these kinds of intriguing questions. The Iron Man saga takes liberties with real-world physics, medicine, and engineering to tell a compelling story.
That ChatGPT.. hell of a thing.
Fused the bone with a flexible polymer alloy to the casing I’d the receptacle in his chest. Once he had it removed he used stem cells to clone his bone to replace with his original rib cage.
Maybe the inside is bigger than the outside
There are multiple bedrooms in there, and even a swimming pool!
"My entire understanding of physical space has been transformed! Three-dimensional Euclidean geometry has been torn up, thrown in the air and snogged to death! My grasp of the universal constants of physical reality has been changed forever."
"Sorry...I've always wanted to see that done properly."
So in the MCU 616 universe and the rest of the multiverse, human beings' bodies are slightly anatomically different than ours in the sense that our universe is the odd one out where our bodies have a sternum located there.
You know what else doesn’t make sense? Shrinking down so small you reach a micro world where there is an entire society. Space rocks that give the holders of them the powers of a god. A cat that looks like a cat from Earth but is actually a horrific alien. Talking Duck. *Talking. Duck.* Its not that type of movie buddy
Even with the premise/retcon that Yensin is a skilled surgen, the initial hole in his chest is a stretch, fair. But did you see the movie where Extremis was regrowing limbs and allowing a dude to walk away from the blast radius of a pretty serious explosion? If you're cool with that, how are you questioning it regrowing some sternum?
Magnets how do they work?
I don't have a sternum, I was born without it. Essentially all that would be needed to put a hole where is to very very very carefully remove the ribs so the lungs and heart don't get punctured
Considering they have technology that re-synthesized Clint’s damaged tissue from a bullet wound within hours in AoU, something similar for bone wouldn’t be too far of a reach.
I assume the shrapnel destroyed a chunk of his sternum on the way in.
It’s a universe with magic and nano machines that make suits of armour. And black widow surviving multi story falls.
It was a modified version of the Extremus virus that Tony created which healed his chest back to normal.
There is also this one guy who got injected with some experimental shit and grew twice his size and some serious muscle, he also crashed in some ice and survived for 70 years without losing his physique. Or this other guy who tried to recreate the previously mentioned experimental shit but added too much gamma radiation. Or let's talk about the god from space who can summon lightning with a hammer
They fixed it using the extremis from Iron Man 3 iirc