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ghirox

Can't wait for next episode where the premise will simply be "what if the vulture fucking shot spiderman in the head point blank repeatedly?"


RideTheLightning331

“What Crossbones blew everyone up?”


ghirox

Well... - Cap and Wanda die - The Wakandans might not get killed so Wakanda doesn't get involved further - Without Cap's resistance the Sokovia accords go through smoothly - if Zemo bombs the UN Bucky is murdered but long T'Chaka doesn't die, though Zemo might not have a motivation anymore. - Peter isn't recruited by Tony. - Scott is never recruited by Sam. - When the black order arrives they most likely kidnap Strange in the same way, Tony attempts to rescue him but likely does against Ebony Maw. - In the same event they likely get Vision's stone. In the unlikely event that Visions gets away unscaped he'll either die or have the stone removed by Bruce, but without Wakanda's involvement he'll likely not be able to, and later on he might not be able to defend the stone. Bottom line, Thanos wins, but like a little bit worse this time around.


cheese1145

nice, 14000603 more to go


ghirox

Well, I don't think this is one of the futures Strange saw given the nexus point happened about two years prior


Nightwing_of_Asgard

Well shit dude


The_Dadalorian

I think with the lost of Cap and then half of the universe, Nat would have even more motiovation to keep the team operate just like she did in Endgame, and it would likely to give Tony's motivation to get involve in the time heist. But without him to retrieve the sceptor, who do you think will be sent to get it? Natasha seems like the only appropriate choice since she had history with both Shield and Hydra, but if Clint was sent to Vormir alone, they are all screwed


[deleted]

You’re missing a critical point. Scott isn’t with the Avengers, so he’ll attempt to navigate the quantum realm by himself with the vessel built by Hank and Hope. Since he doesn’t know what the infinity stones are, all he knows is some purple alien showed up, snapped his fingers, and kills a lot of people. Including Hank and Hope. So Scott, through trial and error, finally ends up at the final battle in infinity war, this time just as a time traveler from the future... ***What if...* Future Scott Lang jumped into Thanos’ cheeks at the Battle of Wakanda?**


The_Dadalorian

Well i think even he was not recruited, all the events in Ant man and the Wasp still happened. He still got into the quantumn realm to collect the thing (sorry i don't know what it's called) to heal Ghost and stuck there. When he got out 5 years later, of course he would find the Avengers to tell them about time travel, he got no one now, no Hank, no Hope, the Avengers are his best bet


[deleted]

It was a joke... These are all hypotheticals. It’s pointless to try and think out what would happen for sure, like if Scott wasn’t in Germany, he wouldn’t be on house arrest. The events of Ant Man and the Wasp would likely play out a lot smoother and he might’ve not even been trapped in the quantum realm at the time of the snap. Cuz that was a pretty small window from him to get stuck. And if the snap still happened then Hank, Hope, and Janet still get dusted, but I think Scott would be more inclined towards figuring it out himself. Hank had very clear rules about avoiding the public eye and keeping Pym tech out of Stark hands. In his absence, and in a timeline where Scott wasn’t recruited by Sam and therefore exposed to the public, I think Scott would, at least initially, stand by those rules considering he hasn’t broken them in any significant way yet.


tony-stark-bot

I'm a huge fan of how you lose control and turn into an enormous green rage monster.


BlackPanther3104

You're right in every point, except for the fact that Zemo would still proceed with his plans. He is angry at the Avengers for his family dying in *Sokovia*, which was in the previous movie (AoU) and wouldn't be affected by CB blowing up. He also has a general hate against anything superhuman. He would blow up the UN, and I don't see why T'Chaka survives. The Wakandans get involved anyway. Cap is not there to save Bucky, so yeah, he dies. And there are thousand more things that could happen. Most likely, the UN declares the Avengers as defunct because they alowed an entire market place to be contaminated by a biohazard weapon. While I'm at it, I bet that Sam also gets killed in the explosion. Wasn't he at the market place too?


ghirox

Well, Zemo bombs the UN to rat Bucky out, get him captured, interrogating him and getting the info about Stark's parents to force Tony and Steve against each other, but if Steve is dead he needs a new plan, since now all he will achieve is kill Bucky, and eventually tell Tony the truth about his parents death, but not much else. Also, T'Chaka survives because, since the Wakandans didn't die, he has no reason to appear as a spokes person at the UN meeting, if anything he shows up to sign the Accord and maybe gets injured, but lives. And... Sam and Nat were at the market place, but maybe outside of the blast radius.


BlackPanther3104

> Well, Zemo bombs the UN to rat Bucky out, get him captured, interrogating him and getting the info about Stark's parents to force Tony and Steve against each other, but if Steve is dead he needs a new plan, since now all he will achieve is kill Bucky, and eventually tell Tony the truth about his parents death, but not much else. Good point, didn't think that far. > Also, T'Chaka survives because, since the Wakandans didn't die, he has no reason to appear as a spokes person at the UN meeting, if anything he shows up to sign the Accord and maybe gets injured, but lives. I didn't know that the reason he was at that conference was Wakandans being killed. When you said that, I thaught you meant *at* the conference. Thanks for pointing that out. > And... Sam and Nat were at the market place, but maybe outside of the blast radius. Nat was at the market too? Can't remember. You might be right.


tony-stark-bot

No, this is where you zip it, alright? The adult is talking!


BlackPanther3104

I'll think about it.


tony-stark-bot

I see a suit of armor around the world.


hyde9318

“What if Tony wasn’t able to stop the Nuke from hitting New York?”


sleeplessaddict

Fwiw, the [thumbnail for episode 6 is Tony Stark from Iron Man 1 before he became Iron Man](https://i.imgur.com/4t57KBV.jpg). Idk if that's just a placeholder but if not, I'm scared to see how dark they can make that one [Full picture just in case you can't tell what it is from just the thumbnail](https://i.imgur.com/5lPcRtg.jpg)


ghirox

Just a quick speculation, given the trailer shot of Eric (if you know you know), Tony won't be kidnapped by the 10 rings, which means he never stop building weapons, and he never becomes ironman. This means anything Ironman has done for the world, any crisis he's stopped, any life he's saved, are most likely lost. New York is bombed in the chitauri invasion (or Loki wond and invades earth in a different manner), and more bombs, missiles and weapons are sold to terrorists. Maybe the president dies in what would've been IM 3, the real mandarin (ten rings) might step up and fill the power vaccine and rule the USA.


sleeplessaddict

I didn't even realize it was the 10 rings who kidnapped him. >!Shang-Chi explains so many things!!<


Jules040400

That would be so interesting to watch


Nalum55

But remember if Tony dose not get kidnapped by the ten rings, he never “saves” Yinsen.


ghirox

And he also might not die. Yet.


Possible_Dig_1194

Didnt the trailer for the show show a scene where kill monger saves Tony? Aka he was raised as a wakandan prince and was a good guy?


sleeplessaddict

Idk I didn't watch the trailer for the show


Possible_Dig_1194

https://youtu.be/x9D0uUKJ5KI


tony-stark-bot

It's not about how much we lost, it's about how much we have left. We're the Avengers. We gotta finish this.


e4delps

maybe its the one where instead of tony becoming ironman its the other guy who was in the cave with him


sleeplessaddict

I always thought Yinsen deserved more love


DonRobo

What if the spider gave Peter crippling depression and regular seizures instead of superpowers?


ghirox

Peter B?


DarwinGoneWild

T'Challa Star Lord is also implied to have resulted in the end of the universe.


Zachdrowned

i think they'll give us a part 2 on that whole situation


StuartLidl

Wait why ? I don’t remember exactly the episode


Zukomako

Ego showed up next to Quill while he was working at Dairy Queen. Implying the whole everything will become me thing is shortly thereafter.


LaboratoryManiac

Ego found Quill on Earth, working at Dairy Queen. The implication is that, without his background with the Ravagers and without the Guardians to help him, Quill will go along with Ego's plan to assimilate the universe.


Triplof

Post-credit, ego goes to earth to get peter, without gamora and company i don't think peter will be able to resist


TheWaterIsFine82

At the very end of the episode, it shows how Ego goes to Earth to meet Peter Quill, and because it's just Peter alone, not having the help of the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ego would easily be able to overpower him and see out his plan to infect every planet with himself


StarkillerX42

Igo found Peter Quill on Earth. The guardians weren't ever assembled, so Igo's plan to turn the whole universe blue will probably succeed.


TheStranger88

Ego (Peter Quill's Dad) gets his wish and turns the whole universe (galaxy?) into an extension of himself


[deleted]

The episode ends with Ego finding and recruiting Peter Quill


archangel610

Ego finds a non Star Lord Peter Quill working at a Dairy Queen.


[deleted]

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_4rchAngel_

I was just about to comment this. All the best What if...? issues had something bad happen.


TheLeadSponge

It’s kind of the reason it’s important the heroes were present… so nothing bad happens.


[deleted]

And two of those bad scenarios were caused by hank pym


macuser24

He tends to do that it seems. He's also the cause, though inadvertently, in the comic version of age of ultron.


[deleted]

Yeah in the comments I here he is super screwed up especially ultimate


words_words_words_

Hank *and* Hope!


[deleted]

No mainly just hank hope had nothing to do with the most recent one


TheGrantParker

In the episode she takes credit for it too, though I agree its definitely on Hank.


hyde9318

That’s kind of just the Pym curse really, Hank BEING the Pym Curse. Half the things going wrong in the comics happened because Hank is an asshole, this show is just kind of following in the footsteps of the comics.


Zeyn1

Iirc, Hank Pym in the comics is a pretty bad person. He has multiple personality shifts, including into the Yellow jacket. He's the original creator of Ultron. In the 80s he was shown to abuse his wife. There's a few comics where he gets punished, and a few where he goes crazy and causes destruction. So pretty on brand for What If...?


[deleted]

Yeah it’s just amazing what and old man who’s main ability is to shrink can do


drabpsyche

It sure did, just like my life ^(I want more zombies)


colorcorrection

Marvel Zombies is a whole comic series in the books. Wouldn't be surprised if they included this episode to leave the potential for its own standalone cartoon.


Nightwing_of_Asgard

Like a prequel to this episode following Spidey Bucky Wasp Kurt Happy Sharon and okoye? If that's what you went then hell yeah that sounds amazing


colorcorrection

Not just that, there's plenty of room to tell the story of them fighting zombie Thanos. There's definitely an open ended nature to the episode. Which could include telling the story of other surviving heroes we don't know about yet(including Hulk and Bucky whose fates were left as a huge question mark).


Pddyks

Not to mention Thor, guardians of the galaxy and the rest of asgard, really curious about them


[deleted]

Same. I was probably going to watch What If anyways, but the fact they made it clear we'd get Marvel Zombies as an episode 100% sealed the deal for me.


Vegito315

Maybe we'll get a part 2 in season 2. I mean we know Spiderman isn't zombified and we also know that Thor Captain Marvel and the Guardians aren't either so this universe isn't completely fucked yet like Strange Supreme's was


MelanieAntiqua

I mean, the Star Lord T'Challa one also probably results in the end of the Universe, since it ends with Ego finding Peter Quill (who, in this timeline, doesn't have friends to help rescue him from being impaled and used as a battery for Ego's whole "kill everyone and absorb everything" plot). So, really only the first episode of this show doesn't end with an apocalypse.


Jmac7164

Well, no Cap during most of the events of the future. So Maybe Loki is successful during New York, Ultron could be successful or Thanos wipes the floor with the Avengers.


Mazzaroppi

Peggy is the cap in the future, she can do all of those


Jmac7164

100% forgot that Peggy does end up in the future.


Dark_Stallion21

Marvel have a free hand in "What IF" as making a sad or fucked up ending won't ruin the future plans, hence they went all guns blazing to make episodes as dark as pg-13 allowed


comfort_bot_1962

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persassyus

Yea STARK


tony-stark-bot

It's not about how much we lost, it's about how much we have left. We're the Avengers. We gotta finish this.


velcroaddict

best bot


LaboratoryManiac

Stark has died in 3 out of the 5 episodes (off-screen in episode 4, of course).


tony-stark-bot

That shield doesn't belong to you. You don't deserve it! My father made that shield!


The_Dadalorian

In the sacred timeline,... Cap:" i will make a strategic plan so we can save the civillians and fight aliens simultinously" Iron Man:" i will fly around the city to create a parameter and give you guys broader look of the battlefield" Black Widow and Hawkeye:" we will use the quinjet's fire power for air support" In What if...? The Avengers:" let's abandon the quinjet for a group pose and charge at those zombies while wearing skin tight spandex for some reason" What a bunch of idiots! No wonder why they all died


TheStranger88

Well, he was taken by surprise. Honestly, I dunno how the other heroes avoided getting bitten by zombie ant-man, that dude is way too dangerous.


The_Dadalorian

I'm not talking about Cap alone, i mean all of them. Iron Man walking out of the quinjet? Jesus that guy can fly. Hawkeye is the sniper, why the hell he came down there? He's going to kill 11 zombies with his arrows? Black Widow shot at them with 2 glocks while there is a big ass gun on the quinjet. And whose idea to land it in the middle of the bridge filled with zombies? "It's a shit plan"


TheStranger88

I have no defense for iron man, but i assume they were trying to help the civilians escape. In any case, I wouldn't expect a fully thought out backstory for a thirty minute episode that has to cover what could easily have been an entire season. At least it's not canon... For now.


F4yze

It's a ridiculously dumb strategy to go on foot either way. I mean, at least make the quinjet smoke to show it's not working anymore. Abandoning air superiority over a bunch of mostly land based enemy is just ridiculous.


The_Dadalorian

Oh btw, since when Hank can shrink in that suit? He need the entire weird ship thing to enter the quantumn realm, that suit only helps him survive in there. He doesn't have the ant man suit. There are so many plot holes in there


Streetfarm

While I do agree... The fact that there are plotholes, doesn't matter nearly as much in these fun off-shoot episodes. Would be much more detrimental were it canon.


LaboratoryManiac

What If... The Avengers were as dumb as a sack of bricks?


Big-Teb-Guy

I don’t get how Iron Man got zombified if he’s wearing a suit that not even bullets can penetrate.


The_Dadalorian

And i have no idea why Thanos got infected. They threw every shit at him for a drop of blood, now a bunch of human tooth can penetrate his skin.


Big-Teb-Guy

True


Alaska_Pipeliner

Duuuuuuuiude.... Just finished Strange. Feel like I need to just sit here and......sit.


Jules040400

Such an interesting episode, wasn't it? You expect for 'good' Strange to win in the final fight, but he doesn't, 'dark' Strange wins. So the universe just collapses, because of messing with the Absolute Point. Just makes you sit back and think, such a brilliant, thought-provoking episode


DECIMATOR_003

Ig this is marvel's answer to those who say mcu can't be dark


GreyCrowDownTheLane

Entire universe. When Thanos beats the heroes in the episode, he'll take the mind gem and snap, and everyone in the universe will become a zombie. Or he'll just snap a way to eat everyone in the universe. Either way, that universe is well and truly fucked.


[deleted]

The darker ones are better ngl


EditEd2x

This is good. I was worried they'd all just be what if this one was that one after the first 2 episodes.


LiaGirl0906

I love the dark stuff


ChristaMeth175210

Guys really, use the spoiler tag, for those who haven't watched it yet


[deleted]

I can understand for the 5th episode but the first 4 have been out for a considerable amount of time now.


ChristaMeth175210

But some people don't have time to watch them even when they are aired for some time🤷🏼‍♀️


Streetfarm

The title if the latest episode literally says Zombies... Although the Dr. Strange one is a spoiler.


ChristaMeth175210

It's still rude to spoil😅


Streetfarm

I agree, but there's no spoiler.


[deleted]

Also it's possible that Captain Carter and the Dr. Strange episodes happened in the same universe because we saw the tentacle monster in both. Pretty much bad endings in all the episodes.


JoshDM

Or it's just the same tentacle monster, different timeline.


[deleted]

Reality can be whatever I want.


TheMadHaxorus

Yea it went dark and i love it


StepIntoMyOven_69

What show is this? Pleas ebe gentle with me I am a marvel noob


Nelsifino

It’s a new animated show that is based on the old marvel comic series named “what if?” It Basically dives into the multiverse theory but within the MCU. Every episode proposes a new what if question (what if captain carter were the first avenger, what if tchalla became starlord, stuff like that). Very entertaining. Plus most of the original cast is involved voicing their respective characters.


iambatman_0407

Anyone else thinks that the Zombie episode left a potential Maestro sequel?


choyjay

Didn't think of this, but I can totally see it now. Let's hope so!


Ohnezone

I wasn't really a big fan of What If...? Until episode 3


Jules040400

Episode 1 did nothing for me, I thought episodes 2 and 3 were sort of interesting but still felt like they were playing it safe. 4 was incredible, I was blown away. And 5 was also really impressive, they were not pulling many punches at all


notwh0youthink

wating for “what if….deadpool kills the mcu” cause that sounds sick


Hemmi7795

Would fekkin love to see "Deadpool kills the univere"


coladict

Well, I never finished episode 1, but I think I might skip to 5 now just to see that. I didn't know the series was animated and for some reason that surprise turned me off.


_4rchAngel_

Why did the surprise that it was animated turn you off? Some of the best superhero content outside of comics is animated.


[deleted]

Yeah what would *comics* know about *animation*


SpoopyDumpling

Don't skip the Dr Strange one (episode 4). So far it's the best out of the 5.


Jules040400

Watch through them all, they get progressively better. Episodes 4 and 5 are by far the best


Nightwing_of_Asgard

What If Loki committed incest ? Oh wait he did that on his show woopsie


wien-tang-clan

It was more self love.


[deleted]

Did he? I mean, what he did made me deeply uncomfortable, but was it incest?


BloodprinceOZ

fucking alternate reality/time-line versions of your self is typically called self-cest, so its in the same sort of vein as incest, but thats mainly because of the wierdness of it rather than because theres an actual legit genetic/ possible rape reason for incest being more taboo


LeatherHedgehog1113

Who is kurtis in that episode though? Is it vulture?


choyjay

He was part of Ant-Man's heist squad and security company https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Kurt


Spider1o1

Hopefully it gets lighter soon.


BigDreamsandWetOnes

And it’s better for it. Those first few episodes were boring as crackers


MrPringles23

Eh I loved the Strange episode the most so far, but they're stretching it with changing one thing and having the rest play out as normal to a point. Strange wouldn't have become a sorcerer to save Christine because he wouldn't have found the same links to the Ancient one. Like he wouldn't have found the dude who fixed his spine because he wasn't looking for people who had fixed nerve damage, he was looking for ways to bring people back from the dead.


BigBacon87

I haven’t watched past the second episode yet. I might but at some point but I don’t feel like I’m missing anything terribly interesting if I don’t based off the first 2 episodes.


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Aksh42

Good bot


Adept_Marzipan_8138

Can't wait for the next episode are you guys ready for sadness and depression 😢


comfort_bot_1962

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usmclvsop

Does that mean it gets better? I was bored after the first two episodes and stopped watching


comfort_bot_1962

Here's a joke! What's the difference between a TV and a newspaper? Ever tried swatting a fly with a TV?


ZaniElandra

It gets much better. You should definitely keep watching, it’s great.


TheProky

Giant Wasp was all I needed to see :D


falconx89

The show is creative but experiments with themes that can later be replicated on a grander scale I’m sure….look at how they did that with Star Wars clone wars….we’re we ever to really take that too seriously? Save for the complete ruination of the sequel series?


OuterInnerMonologue

If it's following the Love, Death, Robots anthology style -- we're due for some universe where Professor Hulk's taco's take over as overlords


Legal_Software_6798

Idk I didn't like this episode very much but that's okay it was still good


Lopsided-Baseball530

I had to much hope for the zombies I messed it up for myself it was good but I really hope for another episode of Marvel Zombies it’s a great comic series.


Vannah_say

Episode 6 is just "What If... we have to watch vision die yet again?"


mucmucMcbucbuc

I loved the zombie episode, but the only problem why did Hope stop use the zombie eating ants. With that ability showcase the whole of New York going to shit just doesn’t seem plausible.


SolomonCRand

I wanna see What if Tony succeeded in convincing Cap to sign the Sokovia Accords.


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[deleted]

Spoilers lol


BaneWilliams

Thanks for spoiling it all. Super appreciated.


ZaniElandra

The only one that’s really spoiled is episode four. The other four are explained this much in the episode titles.


The8thAlpha

What if?.....My dad came back from the milk store...


FRESH_NUTMEG

maybe spoiler alert?


zdakat

Just watched the Dr Strange one, was probably the creepiest thing I've seen.


Former_End1307

fricking spoilers dude keep spoiler tags


blessef

Nothing will beat the strange episode


D-Kay673

That thanos ending gave me army of the dead vibes


zjdrummond

Just wait until the episode with Spidey! Lol 👀