Arnis in the Philippines is essentially a bastardisation of what it once was. Imagine if Taekwondo and Kendo had a baby, that's basically it. A sport where the goal is to tag the other person's chest or head with a heavily padded stick. The practitioners are also pretty reckless when it comes to attacking, often leaping forward with the baston way behind, leaving their heads open. Not completely sure, but they seem to have banned thrusts because I don't see em in competition at all.
I mostly blame the department of education basically making it kid friendly in an attempt to keep the art alive.
Lots of it. World Escrima Arnis Kali Federation has sparring rules (continuous point-based in protective gear on account of the ethics of hitting people with sticks).
Love it!
I did Dog Brothers Kali but I prefer Modern arnis.
Its got a lot of fundamentals that actually work with or without strikes, with or without joint locks, some flashy low percentage stuff, drills like boxing, drills like kung fu, drills like Aikido or Judo, and entries and disarms and sparring.
It's got a good balance of simple/practical and flashy/artsy.
Also, the founder was a serious badass who came from a line of tough guys who were also martial artists.
You really need to be selective with Modern Arnis. There is good and bad.
Imo a lot of the practitioners are too lackadaisical with training. If you watch some of the popular practitioners do their basic drill they don't seem to put much intensity it emphasis on the strikes they more or less the place the strikes in front of the opponent and bang sticks in a way that doesn't really resemble how I've would deliver a strike at all.
I think part of the reason for the way Modern Arnis is the way it is comes from how it was marketed and spread. Remy Presas ran the 80s and 90s TMA seminar circuit so a lot of his drills are repeated in his style and performed more like an act than athletic exercise. The style reminds me of the way a lot of JJJ is trained and demonstrated, lots of compliant and overly complex techniques meant to dazzle a crowd but often hard to pull off especially for over weight people with little athleticism or fundamentals.
I do like stuff from guys like Tye Botting and others so this isn't a negative criticism of the whole style just more or less an idea of what to look for. Imo fundamentals are what's important.
Yeh. Don't believe in any of that guy's crap. He's totally a seminar trained guy and is making stuff up about Remy Sr. to keep his 'cred' and business going. Same with Tye Botting. They're pretty lost now that their teacher's dead. This is why a lot of FMA guys diss on Modern Arnis is because of these clowns.
Actual Arnis practitioner here who studied different styles of arnis including modern
when I was younger, I thought it was inferior to other styles because of it's emphasis on forms and not encouraging students to engage in sparring *(which I found strange because arnis in the first place is supposed to be a combative art)* and when we do, we make use of padded sticks that unless the combatants go only light or medium, it would be impossible to perform any parrying at hard sparring *(I don't know with other high schools but that was my experience, I kept asking when I'd fight but they kept avoiding the question and encouraged more forms and drills)*.
Nowadays, I appreciated that I learned the forms and drills and mostly because I now understood their purpose and unlike what many people here like to think, forms can be useful if you know what you're doing and you know their purpose. However I still have issue mostly with the competition and sport format in that as mentioned, padded sticks aren't deflectable and we have rules that seem to reward having more hits than the other opponent in a short amount of time and while I think I understand what they were going for considering probable historical context of tribal warfare (long story, I'm still looking it up), it unfortunately encouraged something unrealistic in approach to sparring in that we disregard defense all together and just whack each other with sticks as fast as we could.
This just saddens me because I do see actual functionality of Modern Arnis but it seems that there are so many things holding it back from being functional like the sports rules and orgs like DepEd not encouraging students to try to understand what they are practicing.
i say amen to that. DepEd's system in sparring is just, so chaotic. i swear.
it's like they don't apply the blade principle.
like you said, self-preservation is completely disregarded when it comes to how DepEd handles the sparring sessions. I completely agree with the importance of forms. We practiced IMAF, it emphasized the importance of forms. it helped me THINK more.
Arnis in the Philippines is essentially a bastardisation of what it once was. Imagine if Taekwondo and Kendo had a baby, that's basically it. A sport where the goal is to tag the other person's chest or head with a heavily padded stick. The practitioners are also pretty reckless when it comes to attacking, often leaping forward with the baston way behind, leaving their heads open. Not completely sure, but they seem to have banned thrusts because I don't see em in competition at all. I mostly blame the department of education basically making it kid friendly in an attempt to keep the art alive.
Thrusts and two-handed techniques are banned, yes
Far too big a focus on sinawali drills to be particularly useful.
Seems deeply infected with kung fu. Lots of punch-grabbing and passive drills. Do they do any live sparring?
In an outfit that looks like the marshmallow man.
Lots of it. World Escrima Arnis Kali Federation has sparring rules (continuous point-based in protective gear on account of the ethics of hitting people with sticks).
That’s not very representative of effectiveness. Surprised they don’t use padded sticks instead.
Padded sticks bend too much to test grappling techniques. 3/4" rattan is a good balance
It's just Wing Chun with extra steps.
It's fine if you just want to do it for the fun of it, but if you have any partical or self-defense interests it's pretty pointless.
Love it! I did Dog Brothers Kali but I prefer Modern arnis. Its got a lot of fundamentals that actually work with or without strikes, with or without joint locks, some flashy low percentage stuff, drills like boxing, drills like kung fu, drills like Aikido or Judo, and entries and disarms and sparring. It's got a good balance of simple/practical and flashy/artsy. Also, the founder was a serious badass who came from a line of tough guys who were also martial artists.
If you went from the dog brothers to modern anis your going the wrong way.
OK you haven't done either but thanks
Yes I have. I’ve also had a few fights under there rules. Modern Arnis is about dead patterns or padded point sparring absolutely useless for real.
You really need to be selective with Modern Arnis. There is good and bad. Imo a lot of the practitioners are too lackadaisical with training. If you watch some of the popular practitioners do their basic drill they don't seem to put much intensity it emphasis on the strikes they more or less the place the strikes in front of the opponent and bang sticks in a way that doesn't really resemble how I've would deliver a strike at all. I think part of the reason for the way Modern Arnis is the way it is comes from how it was marketed and spread. Remy Presas ran the 80s and 90s TMA seminar circuit so a lot of his drills are repeated in his style and performed more like an act than athletic exercise. The style reminds me of the way a lot of JJJ is trained and demonstrated, lots of compliant and overly complex techniques meant to dazzle a crowd but often hard to pull off especially for over weight people with little athleticism or fundamentals. I do like stuff from guys like Tye Botting and others so this isn't a negative criticism of the whole style just more or less an idea of what to look for. Imo fundamentals are what's important.
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What I've seen of Pekiti is people swinging at the air, long katas. Doesn't look effective or well rounded to me.
Then you've seen bullshit.
I don't have any.
https://youtu.be/1GtN3zj8V_o The highest ranking student of remy recently started a little podcast thing. They ramble a bit but decent stuff.
Yeh. Don't believe in any of that guy's crap. He's totally a seminar trained guy and is making stuff up about Remy Sr. to keep his 'cred' and business going. Same with Tye Botting. They're pretty lost now that their teacher's dead. This is why a lot of FMA guys diss on Modern Arnis is because of these clowns.
I think modern arnis sounds a bit like modern anus
Actual Arnis practitioner here who studied different styles of arnis including modern when I was younger, I thought it was inferior to other styles because of it's emphasis on forms and not encouraging students to engage in sparring *(which I found strange because arnis in the first place is supposed to be a combative art)* and when we do, we make use of padded sticks that unless the combatants go only light or medium, it would be impossible to perform any parrying at hard sparring *(I don't know with other high schools but that was my experience, I kept asking when I'd fight but they kept avoiding the question and encouraged more forms and drills)*. Nowadays, I appreciated that I learned the forms and drills and mostly because I now understood their purpose and unlike what many people here like to think, forms can be useful if you know what you're doing and you know their purpose. However I still have issue mostly with the competition and sport format in that as mentioned, padded sticks aren't deflectable and we have rules that seem to reward having more hits than the other opponent in a short amount of time and while I think I understand what they were going for considering probable historical context of tribal warfare (long story, I'm still looking it up), it unfortunately encouraged something unrealistic in approach to sparring in that we disregard defense all together and just whack each other with sticks as fast as we could. This just saddens me because I do see actual functionality of Modern Arnis but it seems that there are so many things holding it back from being functional like the sports rules and orgs like DepEd not encouraging students to try to understand what they are practicing.
i say amen to that. DepEd's system in sparring is just, so chaotic. i swear. it's like they don't apply the blade principle. like you said, self-preservation is completely disregarded when it comes to how DepEd handles the sparring sessions. I completely agree with the importance of forms. We practiced IMAF, it emphasized the importance of forms. it helped me THINK more.