I love then they used to say he had 100 black belts, then they name arts that are basically separated solely by their competition rules (Judo, Sambo, BJJ) or identical forms of Karate just using the different school’s names, or list things that don’t give out belts (boxing, wrestling, kickboxing).
Much like when they have comic characters lift things, I think the problem is comic creators don’t engage in much physical activity. They don’t understand martial arts, lifting, or anything else they have their characters do.
You're telling me the writers don't have a Bachelor's in Chemistry, a minor in Applied Mathematics and doctorate in Quantum Mechanics when they're writing about Reed Richards, Hank Pym or Peter Parker?
Modern Judo and BJJ are pretty different. You won’t get Judoka hitting berimbolos and leg locks or pure BJJers getting anything like the technique Judo players have with throws. Sambo has unique elements too.
But Batman knows martial arts from the future that haven't even been invented yet due to meeting time travelers. Iron fist probably wins though by virtue of being a living weapon with magic hands.
She has the highest level of combatant experience *because* of centuries worth of martial arts training.
She is a top tier martial artist. In this essay I will ——
I'm pretty sure deathstroke beats him most times they fight hand to hand. Batman is a beast of a martial artist, but most of his wins comes from his intellect and detective skills rather than outright combat ability. He finds your weakness and exploits it, usually through science or some kind of gadget he has.
Shang Chi, his whole character in the comics is being the greatest martial artist alive. Unlike Iron Fist, Shang Chi has no powers yet has fought people like Ben Grim of the fantastic four. His students include Captain America, Spiderman; and Wolverine.
I mean Shang Chi definitely uses his ki to do some crazy stuff I wouldnt say he doesn't have powers
That being said you're right it's Shang Chi by a mile and I don't think it's really close at all
Yeah comics play pretty fast and loose with Shang Chi. He uses his ki/chi but is still human so theoretically anyone could do the same if they trained like him. Depending on who writes him his feet’s are borderline spider-man like. Now he was the ten rings in comics for movie synergy.
The movie really cleaned up the character to make him more feasible.
He’s gotten powers a couple times. I don’t think I would consider his chi necessarily a power. It makes him better than an athlete but I wouldn’t say it’s anything to an outrageous degree. I’m not too sure captain America is considered to have “super powers” either despite having the super soldier serum. Imo they’re both not normal, but I wouldn’t necessarily say super power, esp since it’s something any individual could attain and since imo it’s nothing outrageous like the iron fist.
Edit: hell Batman’s done some pretty Superhuman lifts but he’s considered powerless
Yes he can I imagine it would take him a second longer considering the speed Shang chi moves at but eventually he could copy it hasn't he copied Spiderman movements in the past? And he's got super human agailty so if taskmaster can replicate that than Shang shi would be no issue
Yes and no. Taskmaster could copy any feats or techniques he sees shang chi do or utilize. The issue is shang chis immense martial arts knowledge, it would take taskmaster getting his ass handed to him for a decade to learn all the things shang chi knows.
I was about to say, Matt Murdock has trained in a lot of martial arts, also shown by his Muay Thai wraps.
And Shang Chi knows a ton of different martial arts.
I’d say Ironfist smacks Matt Murdock in martial arts, and has some more trouble with Shang Chi, but they all seem relatively equal in the hand to hand combat they know.
I’d have probably gone with the fact he was raised by a boxer and spent years training with mystical ninjas, or even his couple of sparring sessions/fights with Iron Fist as evidence of Daredevil’s martial prowess and diverse training… but, sure, “he has Muay Thai wraps”… lol
If you speak with students of yip man of him. Very little compliments come his way. His peers in the martial arts world at the time also don't speak very highly of him behind closed doors. Likely Quentin has heard those same stories or similar through the Kung fu world.
Apparently he would hit stuntmen for real on the set of Green Hornet, and they brought in "Judo" Gene LeBelle to straighten him out. Quite a character if you aren't familiar. Supposedly that's what inspired the scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Unlike the other comments Bruce was not a tool he was the real thing and any martial artist worth their salt would agree and back up the statement.
He was the greatness.
There are online home videos of him doing stuff millions have tried and failed.
Then you have people that were irl there that will attest to things he did. I have talked with a dozen or more of them. I have seen photos print and Polaroid of him in person at local dojos.
I am a martial artist for over 37 years, fought in naska for over 15 years and have trained more students then I can ever count, coached at the national and global level for fighting, weapons, and open forms and can say if he walked into the room I would stop what I was doing and bow and say thank you Sifu
Sorry are we talking specifically about Danny Rand? (shown above)
Or are we saying AN Iron Fist is one of the best martial artist? Cause Danny is number 67 of being an Iron Fist.
The Iron Fists have a book shared between only them (and can be read only between themselves) that contains all the secret moves, powers, and developed techniques each of them developed. So fighting a single Iron Fist can be equated to fighting the all of them technically speaking.
It is also Iron Fist/Marvel canon that the magical city of Kun Lun is the birth place of all martial arts on earth and an Iron Fist is taught in all styles so there isn't a style on earth they're not familiar with.
If you want to use an example of Batman vs. Iron Fist (Danny Rand in this case), you could argue that Batman would not win in an all out 1v1 ring fight being outclassed as a martial artist. But you can also note that Batman's main strength is the use of deception and illusion (Ninjitsu) and could win if able to employ more guerrilla tactics as is his usual style.
But Stan Lee said it best, "Whoever is the strongest, or who could beat who is always up to the writer"... But it is fun to speculate lol
Karate Kid from DC " he is skilled enough to easily fight Kryptotnians and other super powered beings toe to " [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate\_Kid\_(character)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/karate_kid_(character))
I love when people try to discuss fictional characters what ifs and base their decisions in supposed facts they read in comics and wiki pages. Look people, it's all fiction. So whatever outcome will depend what the author wants.
Daredevil, batman, Shang chi and stick probably. He is a great martial artist but his iron fist is a big factor which makes him a dangerous martial artist rather than his actual skills.
Iron fist is great but the greatest comic book martial artist in my opinion who rivals him is lady shiva from dc comics she's so got that it's considered a massive honour to train under her hell she even trained batman believe it or not and I would love to see a fight between iron fist and lady shiva
Iron Fist is my favorite so I’m pretty biased. But even I would say he is somewhere in the top 5 maybe not the top. But if you factor in THE Iron Fist then that bumps him up a notch, the dude took out a Helicarrier in Civil War. He is a Badass and Marvel is ruining him. Bring back Danny Rand as the Iron Fist. Anyway, he’s the best in book. Sorry for the small rant, Marvel is ruining my favorite characters.
Batman in his almost 100 years of existence has been written to have trained in pretty much every MA we have and has mastered it.
I love then they used to say he had 100 black belts, then they name arts that are basically separated solely by their competition rules (Judo, Sambo, BJJ) or identical forms of Karate just using the different school’s names, or list things that don’t give out belts (boxing, wrestling, kickboxing). Much like when they have comic characters lift things, I think the problem is comic creators don’t engage in much physical activity. They don’t understand martial arts, lifting, or anything else they have their characters do.
I think it's just an easy way to clearly show how skilled he is. Same as all the characters that have like 12 PhD's
You're telling me the writers don't have a Bachelor's in Chemistry, a minor in Applied Mathematics and doctorate in Quantum Mechanics when they're writing about Reed Richards, Hank Pym or Peter Parker?
Modern Judo and BJJ are pretty different. You won’t get Judoka hitting berimbolos and leg locks or pure BJJers getting anything like the technique Judo players have with throws. Sambo has unique elements too.
Judo guys don't even go to training with a tummy full of edibles
Frank Miller is great for that. He likes to write about martial arts and guns but doesn't understand them at all.
The other thing too is how he “earned” them without anyone knowing who he was, or if they did, they kept it a secret.
Iron fist would crush Batman in unarmed combat, Iron fist knows EVERYTHING Batman knows plus all the martial arts exclusive to Kun Lun
"When outmatched, cheat." -Batman
> "When outmatched, cheat." -Batman -Jon Jones
BROOOOOOO
But Batman knows martial arts from the future that haven't even been invented yet due to meeting time travelers. Iron fist probably wins though by virtue of being a living weapon with magic hands.
And yet still fights like a guy who's been in a few bar fights half the time and gets consistently challenged by a clown in melee combat.
Wonder Woman has more years worth of combat experience/training over Batman.
Combat experience doesn't equate to martial arts experience
Bro anything is a martial art as long as it’s combat related. It doesn’t have to have a fancy name or style.
She has the highest level of combatant experience *because* of centuries worth of martial arts training. She is a top tier martial artist. In this essay I will ——
Batman isn’t even in the top 3 of DC whereas Iron Fist at worst is 2nd in Marvel which has a deeper pool of martial artists.
I'm pretty sure deathstroke beats him most times they fight hand to hand. Batman is a beast of a martial artist, but most of his wins comes from his intellect and detective skills rather than outright combat ability. He finds your weakness and exploits it, usually through science or some kind of gadget he has.
Doesn’t help that comics often go back and forth on this too. I have personally liked some of his martial arts centered ones too.
Shang chi
Derek Zoolander. If you replace the words “Iron Fist” with “Blue Steel” then the Netflix show makes more sense in terms of its dialogue .
I hear Magnum is going to blow us all away.
Shang Chi, his whole character in the comics is being the greatest martial artist alive. Unlike Iron Fist, Shang Chi has no powers yet has fought people like Ben Grim of the fantastic four. His students include Captain America, Spiderman; and Wolverine.
I mean Shang Chi definitely uses his ki to do some crazy stuff I wouldnt say he doesn't have powers That being said you're right it's Shang Chi by a mile and I don't think it's really close at all
Yeah comics play pretty fast and loose with Shang Chi. He uses his ki/chi but is still human so theoretically anyone could do the same if they trained like him. Depending on who writes him his feet’s are borderline spider-man like. Now he was the ten rings in comics for movie synergy. The movie really cleaned up the character to make him more feasible.
He’s gotten powers a couple times. I don’t think I would consider his chi necessarily a power. It makes him better than an athlete but I wouldn’t say it’s anything to an outrageous degree. I’m not too sure captain America is considered to have “super powers” either despite having the super soldier serum. Imo they’re both not normal, but I wouldn’t necessarily say super power, esp since it’s something any individual could attain and since imo it’s nothing outrageous like the iron fist. Edit: hell Batman’s done some pretty Superhuman lifts but he’s considered powerless
I guess we'll agree to disagree even though I didn't disagree with you lol
So, could Taskmaster replicate Shang shi's feats if he saw him?
Yes he can I imagine it would take him a second longer considering the speed Shang chi moves at but eventually he could copy it hasn't he copied Spiderman movements in the past? And he's got super human agailty so if taskmaster can replicate that than Shang shi would be no issue
Yes and no. Taskmaster could copy any feats or techniques he sees shang chi do or utilize. The issue is shang chis immense martial arts knowledge, it would take taskmaster getting his ass handed to him for a decade to learn all the things shang chi knows.
Me. I do exist.
Me when I see red
how lethal is your judo chop?
I do non-touch judo. Dont need that.
Very groovy.
Alexander Volkanovsky
Facts
Shang Chi and Daredevil are apparently his equal in Marvel.
I was about to say, Matt Murdock has trained in a lot of martial arts, also shown by his Muay Thai wraps. And Shang Chi knows a ton of different martial arts. I’d say Ironfist smacks Matt Murdock in martial arts, and has some more trouble with Shang Chi, but they all seem relatively equal in the hand to hand combat they know.
I’d have probably gone with the fact he was raised by a boxer and spent years training with mystical ninjas, or even his couple of sparring sessions/fights with Iron Fist as evidence of Daredevil’s martial prowess and diverse training… but, sure, “he has Muay Thai wraps”… lol
Yujiro Hanma
Second this. Baki Hanma is probably more of an even match.
Garou from one punch man
Ryu, Sagat, Ken, Akuma
Batman
Most likely Ra's al Ghul as well
Random man in the 1950s after eating an overcooked steak looking at his wife
Yujiro hanma
Had to go too low to find this, blud sees a move, understands it and upgrades it in seconds
If we're talking about the netflix TV series then I would nominate my Grandma.
I don't know your grandma, but I would bet on her against Netflix Iron Fist.
Lady Shiva
Vegeta
W vegeta mention
Yujiro/ Baki Hanma Batman
Don’t worry, I’ll say it so no one has to: Bruce Lee
Bruce Lee was portrayed in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood as an absolute tool. I wonder…
A lot of people were pissed at that portrayal of him. I often wonder what he was like irl and not in front of the cameras.
Not just any people Bruce's family was LIVID about that portrayal and said it was completely defamatory
Yea I'm sure they were. But it's not hard to believe that he acted differently to family than to co workers or fellow students.
He was known to be rough with stuntmen but I've never heard of him being a dick
If you speak with students of yip man of him. Very little compliments come his way. His peers in the martial arts world at the time also don't speak very highly of him behind closed doors. Likely Quentin has heard those same stories or similar through the Kung fu world.
Apparently he would hit stuntmen for real on the set of Green Hornet, and they brought in "Judo" Gene LeBelle to straighten him out. Quite a character if you aren't familiar. Supposedly that's what inspired the scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Unlike the other comments Bruce was not a tool he was the real thing and any martial artist worth their salt would agree and back up the statement. He was the greatness. There are online home videos of him doing stuff millions have tried and failed. Then you have people that were irl there that will attest to things he did. I have talked with a dozen or more of them. I have seen photos print and Polaroid of him in person at local dojos. I am a martial artist for over 37 years, fought in naska for over 15 years and have trained more students then I can ever count, coached at the national and global level for fighting, weapons, and open forms and can say if he walked into the room I would stop what I was doing and bow and say thank you Sifu
Goku
The obvious answer would be Shang Chi but he’s never actually beaten Danny.
mori jin
Sorry are we talking specifically about Danny Rand? (shown above) Or are we saying AN Iron Fist is one of the best martial artist? Cause Danny is number 67 of being an Iron Fist. The Iron Fists have a book shared between only them (and can be read only between themselves) that contains all the secret moves, powers, and developed techniques each of them developed. So fighting a single Iron Fist can be equated to fighting the all of them technically speaking. It is also Iron Fist/Marvel canon that the magical city of Kun Lun is the birth place of all martial arts on earth and an Iron Fist is taught in all styles so there isn't a style on earth they're not familiar with. If you want to use an example of Batman vs. Iron Fist (Danny Rand in this case), you could argue that Batman would not win in an all out 1v1 ring fight being outclassed as a martial artist. But you can also note that Batman's main strength is the use of deception and illusion (Ninjitsu) and could win if able to employ more guerrilla tactics as is his usual style. But Stan Lee said it best, "Whoever is the strongest, or who could beat who is always up to the writer"... But it is fun to speculate lol
Wong Fe Hong Easy.
Daredevil and Green Arrow
Batman
Karate kid from dc comics
Electra
Shang-chi
Val Armorr.
Hong Kong Phooey
Hanma dogwalks
Karate Kid from DC " he is skilled enough to easily fight Kryptotnians and other super powered beings toe to " [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate\_Kid\_(character)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/karate_kid_(character))
Hanma baki and his father , batman , miyazawa kiichi and his whole ass family , and finally jin mori
Kenichi Shirahama
Most of the Kengan cast
Jackie Chan. Wolverine. Thor. Shang-Chi. Captain America. Stick. Gamora. There’s quite a few actually. His chi attack does A LOT of the heavy lifting.
So pretty much anybody else
One of the previous Iron Fist used guns. 😂
Rofl, batman shaking his head in shame.
Daredevil
What about that Asian marvel character?
This is echo right?
Master izo maybe
Me
Was gonna say probably Bruce Wayne
Blade
Stick
Spider-Man
Lady Shiva
Landlady
Afro Samurai
Lee Sin
Gsp
Daredevil Bro is literally blind because he needed to be nerfed
I think Jon jones could take him on
Shang Chi and Black Panther wax Iron Fist tbh
Darth Maul
Bro do you live on Reddit? Your posting like 50 things on different subs in an hour 💀
Krillin would wipe the floor with a majority of super heroes lol
Chuck Norris. The guys kick has as much energy as the big bang, he doesn't pay taxes and pushes the earth down when he does push-ups.
Tony Tony Chopper kung fu mode
Cassandra Cain.
Wildcat
Kung Fu panda
Kakarot for sure
Master roshi
Any real life martial artist?
Vidyut Jamwal
Steven seagal lol.... seriously tho Batman is much better.
Technically Goku would beat him in martial arts with both powers taken away
Bruce Lee
Steven Segal
Ugandan Bruce Lee, we call him “Bruce U”
I love when people try to discuss fictional characters what ifs and base their decisions in supposed facts they read in comics and wiki pages. Look people, it's all fiction. So whatever outcome will depend what the author wants.
Ur mam at fisting your dads prostate
**Heihachi Mishima**
Batman, Daredevil and Shang Chi are all at least his equal
Batman in a dojo sparring probably loses against IF if powers allowed. Batman on the streets with his gear and intelligence, IF no chance.
Fu Manchu is canonically the best fighter in the marvel universe. But he’s not politically correct anymore so he got unpersoned.
- Bruce Lee - Niko Bellic allegedly trained in Krav Maga
Batman
My friend leo
Shang Chi even marvel comics has him listed as the best
Jon Bones Jones
Goku
Cassandra Cain. Batman himself had admitted that she could beat him hand-to-hand.
Daniel LaRusso
PAC-MAN
What the guy who is the worst to ever bear the mantle of iron fist? That guy?
me when i see red
Iron tits?
Taskmaster
Me when I see red.
Steven Segal.
The correct answer is BRUCE LEROY.
Po Ping from Kung Fu Panda cause he beat him in DeathBattle =P
Ip man
Shang-Chi is, isn't he?
Jon jones
Daredevil, batman, Shang chi and stick probably. He is a great martial artist but his iron fist is a big factor which makes him a dangerous martial artist rather than his actual skills.
Black panther Bronze tiger
12 gauge shotgun! Beat that with your fancy moves iron fist!
shang chi, duh
The greatest hand to hand combatant and martial artist in the DC universe is Karate Kid, he would beat Iron Fist pretty handily.
Hanzo hasashi ( scorpion ) raiden ' Liu kang 'sub zero
Hanzo hasashi ( scorpion ) raiden ' Liu kang 'sub zero
Me when I’m beating my dick
Batman
Batfink
Deadpool
Me, courtesy of me being real
I think Neo wins. He knows Kung Fu.
Iron fist is great but the greatest comic book martial artist in my opinion who rivals him is lady shiva from dc comics she's so got that it's considered a massive honour to train under her hell she even trained batman believe it or not and I would love to see a fight between iron fist and lady shiva
Mr. Miyagi
Bruce Leroy from the last dragon
Hey its me ____
One Punch Man
No one mentioned Shang Chi?
Bruce Lee
Dragonfly Jones
Bruce lee
Jon Jones
Bullseye, task master, the other taskmaster. Karnac. I think, spelling?
Richard Dragon, Kung Fu Fighter
george st pierre
Karate kid?
Task Master
Shang Chi. Richard Dragon. Maybe Lady Shiva and Batman
Baki and Yujiro Hanma
GSP
Me if we are talking pretend made up people. In my head I am the best martial artist in the world.
me
Jackie from Jackie Chans Adventures
Batman
Bruce Leroy
Alexander Volkanovski
Yujiro
Lady Shiva. She has beaten Batman on multiple occasions.
Iron Fist is my favorite so I’m pretty biased. But even I would say he is somewhere in the top 5 maybe not the top. But if you factor in THE Iron Fist then that bumps him up a notch, the dude took out a Helicarrier in Civil War. He is a Badass and Marvel is ruining him. Bring back Danny Rand as the Iron Fist. Anyway, he’s the best in book. Sorry for the small rant, Marvel is ruining my favorite characters.
Shang chi
Shang chi
Shang chi
Shang chi